When Mindset Work Isn’t Enough with EFT Practitioner Jacqui Acree

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Corner where you'll discover how to unlock and express the most authentic version of you and realize that this is exactly what you were looking for the entire time. I'm your host and your coach, Megan Siemens. Now let's make some magic happen. Welcome back to the Clarity Corner, my friends. Today, speaking of friends, we have one of my dear friends on the show, we have Jackie Acree who is a Certified Advanced EFT practitioner specializing in non woo nervous system regulation. So you grow a thriving and sustainable business without losing your this is such a fun conversation, which I absolutely knew it would be. Going into it. We talk about eft, which is also known as tapping. And if you have no idea what that is but you're curious about it, which I know a few of you have asked me about before. So I'm really excited to bring Jackie on because one of Jackie's gifts is explaining something in really grounded and practical terminology. So she walks us through what tapping is, why you should really care about it, what this whole nervous system thing is, and why so many people are talking about it right now. We break down some cliche quotes that are out and about in the world, our thoughts, feelings, opinions on them, and how you can use some of these affirmations and quotes and things that you hear out in the world in your own life. And of course we go into Jackie's human design and we have such a good conversation where Jackie really just gives life to the gifts in her design in some really unique ways and really shines light on some things that could really be considered blocks within the manifesting generator energy type. We also chat through the 24 profile, which always gives such beautiful insight on the contrast between wanting to have time and space alone to retreat and wanting to be around all of the people. It is just such a nourishing conversation. I feel like you need to have your notebooks ready for this. Get ready to rewind. Write down some of the goodness that you hear in this episode. Also, Jackie has so graciously given us all a gift. To those of you who are listening to the podcast, she is offering one of her paid tapping sessions. It's a single session, so if you hear all of the goodness about tapping in this episode and you're like, I really want to dive into this. I really want to give this a try for myself. She's giving one of her paid sessions to all of us for free. You just have to use the coupon code Clarity. So we will drop that link in the show notes for for you so you can grab that Special session. But for now, sit back, relax, enjoy the show, and make sure to head to the show notes after to get your gift. Hello, my friends. Today on the Clarity corner, we have a certified advanced EFT practitioner.

Also, someone sound very fancy.

It really sounded so fancy when it.

Came out of my mouth.

Like I was like, oh, so jazzy. This is also someone who's just become like an instant best friend over Voxer. A manifesting generator with sacral authority. Buckle up, friends, because who knows where this conversation is going to go? Welcome to the show, Jackie.

I agree. Who knows where this conversation is going to go? We don't. But we know it's going to be good.

We know there's going to be good stuff in it. But like I said, we became instant besties on Voxer and we've been known to like go through some like, I don't know, hour long rants.

Yeah. And we like immediately, the moment we connected, all of a sudden we started with like the deepest stuff right from the very beginning.

Yeah.

And so I'm really curious about where this conversation will lead us and really excited because I'm relatively new to human design and really, really excited about what I've been discovering partly through our conversations.

Yeah.

And just through some self reflection. So let's give her. I'm so excited.

Let's do it. I think before we even get into human design, we have to talk about what the heck this EFT thing is.

Yeah. Okay. We can do that. Well, I always say I'm the non Woo EFT practitioner because EFT does have somewhat of a Woo reputation out there that is finally really starting to dissipate. Thank goodness. But often there's a lag between knowing that something works and understanding exactly how that works. And we need the research to support the how. So EFT has been around for over 45 years and it got incredible results right from the beginning. So it did catch a lot of people's attention. But it was first kind of under the umbrella of energy psychology, hence the woo thing. And also when we don't understand something, we tend to be like, oh, what's that? So if you're Woo friendly, then you'll have no problem with this tool because it just makes sense. Right. But for those of us who are more like me, I call myself Woo skeptical. Then I need a little bit more support for that sciencey part of my brain. And I mean part of that is honestly even rooted in the nervous system. I feel safer when I understand. So there's that. I also, as a Practitioner wouldn't want to be using a tool that doesn't have any evidence. Evidence based support. So there's now over 300 peer reviewed studies explaining what tapping is, how it works, showing the results. For example, it's been shown to work up to five times faster than cognitive behavioral therapy, which if people don't know what CBT is, they won't, that won't make any sense to them. But CBT is a gold standard of therapy. And so when you compare EFT in a study to CBT to get the same or even better results and five times faster, that's a huge attention getter because if we can do something more efficiently, most of us are really excited about that. So do you want me to explain how it works really briefly? Give you like the kindergarten version?

I would love that. I think everyone would love that.

Okay, I'll give you, I'll give you the like very short version.

Yeah.

It essentially, when we stimulate our acupoints, these acupressure or acupuncture points, if someone's ever gone to acupuncture. Acupuncture. We know that there's these points on the body and you can actually see them now under a really powerful microscope. They've shown these, these points and the lines connecting them in our bodies, this vascular system. So we know it's there. You can literally physically see it with your eyes with the right technology. And there are certain points in the body that are concentrated so when they're stimulated, we get a response from them. And you can do that not just with needle, you can do it with your fingertips. So what tapping is, that's why it's called tapping. The real official version of it is called Emotional Freedom Techniques.

The fancy version.

Fancy version. We like the fancy version, but it's more commonly referred to as tapping because it's what you're. Literally. I think it sounds a little hokey. Like it does have a little like tapping. What's tapping? So I was very, I have a BA in counseling and I was not very open to EFT when I first heard about it. I used to wake up anxious every morning. And I didn't actually know for the first few decades of my life. I was called a worry wart as a kid. Don't be such a worry word. So I didn't know I was anxious. Nobody had the tools when I was a kid to really say like, huh, maybe how you're feeling is anxious. And actually it makes sense considering how I grew up. That made sense why I was so anxious. But then into my adulthood, I just didn't know that I was anxious. So I started figuring that out. And then I did all of the, you know, the CBT and the mind type therapy. I tried a couple medications for a while just to kind of get my feet under me. And then things were good. Like, my life was really good. But I still. And I knew everything up in my brain by then. Like I said. Counseling. 3. I've read all the positive psychology. I love to nerd out on this stuff. So if there's a book to read that's going to help me, I've read it.

Yeah.

And I still felt like something was just not clicking. Like it was disconnected in my actual body. It was like I was like a disembodied head. So all the knowledge was in the head, but I couldn't, like, take it into my body.

Yeah.

And believe it as though it was true. Like, live it out. So I was waking up every morning anxious and stressed. I also had little kids at the time, so, like, really kids. So that makes sense. And people were telling me about eft, and I was like, no, that sounds really weird. Yeah, yeah, this doesn't make sense. And then I finally tried it, and I actually tell a story called Rage Tapping in a Bathroom Stall, which is like, it's on my email list. So if you ever sign up for my email list, eventually you'll probably read that story. But it worked. Right away I was like, what is happening? So the way it works is when you stimulate those acupoints with your fingertips, you send a nearly instantaneous calming signal to your amygdala, that stressed out part of your brain, and you start to dial down that nervous system reaction that's very unconscious, involuntary, and protective.

Right.

And it will throw up all sorts of red flags for you because it's always scanning your environment, asking the question, is this safe, Is this dangerous, or is this life threatening? And by this I mean, like, literally anything. So it could be, let's say you have an online business and you want to be on a podcast, like I am with you today. Well, some people really struggle with that because they have this feeling, like, I don't know what I would say or what, like, I don't make sense or, yeah, I don't know how to pitch myself. And yes, we can learn strategies and tools and we can work with our mindset and affirmations, but ultimately, if your body says no. Yeah, you're not getting anywhere. So tapping sends that calming signal to that part of your body that's like, no. Or it's flagging something as either dangerous or even life threatening.

Right.

I was on Sophia Par's podcast recently and she was saying, like, well, I, I think of this thing that she was talking about, this decision. It's. It's not life threatening, it's business threatening. I thought that was so insightful. So whatever it is, like if you're scanning your unconsciously and you're getting this, this message that something is in some way unsafe, when you're tapping, you're sending this calming signal saying, nope, we're good, we're okay. There's nothing to freak out about here. And then as your body and brain calm down and feel safe, then you have access to the part of your brain that's like, okay, what are my values? What's important to me? What's the perspective that I need here? Empathy, creativity, curiosity. If anyone listening knows anything about the nervous system, it's like ventral vagal, like where you feel connected and open.

Yeah.

And you can move forward because you're no longer stuck in an involuntary nervous system response that just honestly can feel really bad. So that's what tapping is and how I use it in my personal practice. I mean, you can use it for all sorts of things like ptsd, obviously, anxiety, stress, weight loss, chronic pain. Like, there's lots of ways to use the tool. My favorite way to use it is with high achievers who, like me, are kind of like, they know, they know what to do. They've done the mindset work. They maybe have some strategies and skills locked up and loaded, but there's something that's still disconnected.

Yeah.

And so we just sort of. We connect those dots together and relatively effortlessly with a tool like this. This relatively. I'm not saying that it's just like you check a box and you're done. You know, it brings relative ease because you're working with the body instead of trying to work against yourself.

Yeah, Yeah.

I love that. I'm. I have tried tapping before, but I'm so excited to try it with you soon because I just love the way you approach it as well, of just like, it's a tool, you can use it and it can work and it can give you some ease. I'm curious if you can give us a little kindergarten definition too, of nervous system, because I feel like this has become like a buzzword recently.

Oh, yeah, it's a huge buzzword.

Yeah.

Where people are just like, oh, you know, calm your nervous system, but they're just kind of throwing it around. Not really giving any context to it. And I feel like you could give us a good kindergarten definition of like, what is our nervous system and why should we even care about it?

Well, we could be here all day.

The hour breakdown.

Totally. Let me think. What would be the. Maybe the most relevant to your listeners? So most people know about fight, flight and freeze. We've heard those terms. Right. So sometimes those three responses kind of get demonized in the nervous system, system conversation. And there's a myth out there that a regulated nervous system is always calm, which is interesting.

Yeah, yeah.

What human being do you know that's a flat line and it's a lie. Like a living, breathing, dynamic human going to go through some fight, flight or freeze for good reason.

Yeah, yeah.

That's what I feel like is like the part of the buzzword that I want to like, double tap on here because I do feel like that's the stigma it's gotten of like, oh, just calm your nervous system and you'll be good to go.

Yeah, well, and again, think about marketing and how it's always agitating pain points. Right? Like, yeah, it's like, oh, well, you feel overwhelmed and stressed and anxious or you have limiting beliefs, which I don't. I do not like that terminology because our beliefs, they're there for a reason. And again, your nervous system, it's designed to protect you. So. But it is true that sometimes, you know, it's over activated or you might be in a chronic stress response or something called the window of tolerance. And you don't want your window of tolerance to be really narrow. Yeah, you want a nice wide window. And when we're chronically stressed or when we're experiencing an acute situation, whether it's a trauma or, you know, like, let's say you lose someone you love or maybe there's a pandemic that happens. Anyone experienced one of those in the last little while, you know, that can really shrink your window of tolerance. But even yesterday I was paying attention to my own personal stress response and it was really interesting because I have a membership and we're working with the idea of capacity this month when you and I are recording this. And so I just was curious. I'm kind of watching my own capacity, which is like my basically my energy, let's call it your battery. And I was watching that yesterday and I was like, oh, yeah, this is exactly what it is. It's not calm. I'm not static. I'm not at a flat line. Even as regulated, quote unquote, as I personally Am in my nervous system. What it is, is if you watch yourself throughout the day, you're just. You're fluctuating. So you're kind of like. Like, if you imagine. Instead of imagining a straight line, now imagine that, like, line that goes up and down and it's wavy, and sometimes it goes higher and sometimes it goes lower. So regulated nervous system is a nervous system that's able to experience stress and then come back to recovery.

Yeah.

So you're oscillating in and out of that stress response. And stress itself is also not bad. I mean, we actually need some stress for growth, for achievement. Like, if you're a high achiever, you're going to have to experience some stress. It's a sign that you are stretching yourself. You and I have talked about get out of your comfort zone.

Yeah.

Quite a bit. Boxers. And that's been a fun conversation.

Yes.

In order to get out of your comfort zone, you do need to know what regulation feels like for you and how to bring yourself back into recovery. So you're oscillating in and out of that stress response. And then you can tolerate being out of your comfort zone instead of it feeling like you don't want to feel like a deer in the headlights. And you also don't want to feel like you might be dying. That's not good. Too much. Too much either way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think one personal belief that I have is, I think what happens when people are like, oh, you just need to get out of your comfort zone. That causes things like, oh, I'll get out of my comfort zone once, and then, like, it'll be good. Like, nothing's gonna be scary ever again. But the thing is, as we grow, like, our comfort zones grow with us, and then we hit another comfort zone. And if we don't know how to keep our nervous system regulated in the way you're talking about here, we just think we've done something wrong.

Yes, that's right. We thought that it was something that's like a one and done. But you're not a problem to be solved. You're not a problem to be solved. Your business is not a problem to be solved. And so it's. I always think, like, if you have that regulation, if your window of tolerance, like I said, is nice and wide. Right. Or if you're someone who's familiar with the nervous system, if you are often in that nice ventral vagal space, so depending on who's listening, one of those things hopefully you can relate to, then your comfort zone it gets to expand with you. And instead of feeling. Have you ever heard that phrase feel the fear and do it anyway?

Yes, I, I have thoughts about that phrase. So I'm curious where you're gonna go with it.

Oh, I can't wait to hear yours. I wanna, I actually hear yours first. Well, I, I find that often is a really. Again, like, think of all the short form content out there. And short form content is where nuance goes to die. So there's a book by the name Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway. If you read the whole book, you might get the context that the author is speaking to. There. I have the book. However, when you're just told that in these really nice pithy little things, like if a guru tells you feel the fear and do it anyway, what we tend to do is we white knuckle or we push or we force ourselves to get out of comfort zone and we blame or shame or judge ourselves when we feel scared and can't do that for good reason, or when we feel so scared we abandon ourselves by just ignoring the part of yourself that's scared and invalidating that part when there's really good reason to feel scared. I mean, you and I honestly swear we could talk about this for, for probably an entire hour.

Yeah.

But I want to get one really, like, concrete example that I think a lot of people relate to. So let's talk about visibility for a second because I hear people talk like people work with me on their visibility a lot sessions, whether group sessions or one on one, because they want more visibility so they can grow their businesses. Great. But they are having trouble feeling like safe enough to start being more visible. And by visibility, I mean anything from like starting a YouTube channel, being on a podcast, posting on social media. Like, there's so many things so this, this umbrella of visibility. But most women that I talk to have at one time or another walked to their car at night alone with their keys in their knuckles, or they've been cat called or that like something has happened where they've known that it's not safe to be visible.

Yeah.

And then so your nervous system, your hippocampus, part of your brain, your memory center, you're. It's, it kind of flags that experience. Like, okay, it's not safe to be seen. And then what will happen is it'll overlay that. And now when you go to be more visible in your business, your nervous system's like, oh, this feels the same. So it doesn't have the nuance or the, it's not like, specific. It's more just like, oh, this feels the same. So you're going to get this fear response that actually makes sense in context, but you're not taught how to approach that and move through it. You're just taught to, like, either push through it or overcome it. Or honestly, you're told, like, the only thing stopping you is you if there's something wrong with you, like, with yourself than someone else's. So that's an example I think a lot of people can relate to that. Has to do with the nervous system. And you learn to work with yourself first. Then those blocks or limiting beliefs, I like to call them, like, invisible walls. They start to dissolve again with relative ease on their own. And you. And I've talked about the comfort zone. I like to refer to it as, like, expanding it. But is the word enough a lot? Like, can you feel safe enough to expand that so you play the edge of it instead of going out of it and then going out of it and then going out of it, which can be very triggering. I'm not saying you never have to get out of your comfort zone. Like, for sure, sometimes you do take a big leap, and that can be really exciting. But, like, please have the tools to support yourself through it.

Yeah.

And it's also okay to expand it. Like, do a little bit, a little bit, and a little bit. And so then if you have the long arc.

Yeah.

Then you look back and you can go like, whoa, I came really far. But you don't have to make that big leap, like, in one move. Make little micro moves along the way, and you'll actually get somewhere instead of thinking, like, I got to get out of my comfort zone.

Yeah, okay.

You know, feel the fear and do it anyway.

Perspective, I mean, no surprise, just very similar to yours in, like, it's just so nuanced. Like, yes, some people can feel the fear and do it anyways, and that works really well for them. But we're just not all set on the same level playing field when it comes to how we respond to fear. We all have different lived experiences, and we're just all designed different in general. And that's one of the things I love about human design. A tool to have in your toolkit, like tapping, is a tool to have in your toolkit. One of the biggest things human design taught me when I was first learning is, oh, we're all designed just completely different. We all make big decisions in different ways. There's 2 billion different configurations of a human design chart because not One of us is meant to respond and react to these things in the exact same way. So I think it's just so nuanced as most cliche quotes that we read. I think probably 90% of mine and Jackie's conversations branch off of a cliche quote that we then will pull apart and dissect and. And it's just, yes, that works sometimes.

And yeah, there's always an end we both want. And I think nuance really serves and supports people so much better.

Yeah.

Than black and white. Missing context type of quotes now look like. If you love the quotes and they're inspiring to you, I don't think there's anything wrong either with, like, having, you know, your wall art that says, had a hair appointment yesterday. And I went into the bathroom and looked up from the toilets and there was a sign there that said, if you believe you can, you will. I think that might be a quote attributed to Henry Ford. It was not attributed to him on the plaque, so I don't actually know, but I remember reading that somewhere else, so maybe Ford. And it just made me snort, laugh, and I thought to myself, I should take a photo and like, post that to my Instagram stories and have a little conversation about this. But then I didn't want the hair salon to feel bad about it because it's not. It's fine. Like, it's inspiring people. It's okay. But have you ever thought about it? Like, what? Okay, well, what if I'm not sure? Like, if you believe you can, you will. It's like you have to have certainty. You don't have to have certainty. Don't. But can you believe enough?

Yeah.

That you. That you mostly will on most days or on some days, but maybe not today. And can that be okay, too?

Yeah, I love that.

Conversations.

Yeah.

I feel like if there's just like one action step that people can take from this conversation, it's like, question the quotes you see.

Question the quotes you see. Yeah, totally. Have fun with it. Like, you know, you can hear that. Like, our tone here isn't. We're not snarky. We're not ranting. We're not mocking anything. We're just. It's. We're just bringing that curiosity and playfulness to it and honestly reflecting and then taking it to yourself. Like, how do I feel about it? Do I feel less than. Am I feeling any, like, shame or judgment or self blame? Am I being hard on myself about something when I read that? Do I feel bad if you feel pulled forward? Pulled forward and inspired that's great. But sometimes we really pushed. It's like, I have to figure this out or I'm. I'm not. I thought I'd be further along by now, or what's wrong with me. It's often like an underlying. Even if you're not having those specific thoughts, it's this underlying feeling that we often have. And here's one quick tip too, about the nervous system. Because most people have been told to work with their mind. Right. Work with thoughts. Do thought work or mindset work? Master your mindset. And mindset is everything. And I am definitely here to tell you it is not everything. Mindset is not everything. And it is not the place to start when you're afraid or anxious or overwhelmed.

Yeah.

Start with the body first, because the state of your thoughts reflects the state of your nervous system. So if you are not experiencing thoughts that are supporting you. And I'm not talking about again, we're not talking about calm. We're not talking about positive thinking. We're not talking about all the time.

Yeah.

But we're talking about, like, where do you live first of all, emotionally and in your mind.

Do you.

Where do you live? Like, what's most available to you? Or where'd you're like, set point. So you can ask yourself that question. And also, like, how quickly can you get yourself to where you want to go again, mentally, like, in your mind and also emotionally. So if you're living in that anxious place like I used to, or if you're living in this, like, kind of eddy of negativity. I actually have no problem with negativity. I think negativity is just part of life. I love a good vent sesh, like, and I want to just be able to say how I feel and get it out without any of that toxic positivity activity. And then I can quite quickly get myself to this place of okay, and what else can be true more than what can be true? So I can feel both really angry and really grateful.

Yeah.

At the same time. And so then if I can express the anger or frustration or disappointment, then I have access to that gratitude. So the state of your thoughts will affect the state of your nervous system. And if you regulate the nervous system.

Yeah.

That thoughts, that mindset work that you've probably already done becomes so much more readily accessible to you. And that's what I keep saying about relative ease. It's like, well, if you want access to those thoughts first, just let your body know we're good, we're okay, and we're gonna keep moving forward. You're not stuck here in this threat response.

Yeah, yeah.

Let's say thanks to our bodies for this nervous system response. Truly. And that might be a stretch for some people because sometimes we're like, no, thank you. But it's a chronic activation. But you want a nervous system that knows how to respond and react. It's there to protect you. You just need to learn when it's misreading something. Because sometimes what you want, your nervous system will perceive it as a threat.

Yeah.

It'll be like, ooh, that feels scary. So let's not do that. And so you need to feel safe enough to say, no, we're still going to do that. And. But thank you. Thanks for letting me know that there could be something dangerous here and I'm okay.

Yeah, yeah.

It's really. It sounds like it really is just coming down to getting to know you a little bit better instead of like giving your power away to quotes or having someone else tell you how you should be doing it. It's like, well, let me get to know me first. Let me get to know my baseline and then I can meet some of these pieces of advice in a way that works really well for me.

Yeah. Self trust is really huge and we're not conditioned to trust ourselves. So that's a huge cost conversation right there.

Yeah.

And also an important piece of nervous system regulation that's sometimes not talked about very much out there as this buzzword is sort of circling around. Yeah, it's co regulation. And co regulation is a really important part of nervous system regulation.

Yeah.

So you can co regulate with your pet. I have a dog I talk about all the time. I real. We like the two of us have the symbiotic co regulation cycle going on. Like, we do co regul. You can co regulate with a close friend, a partner. You can co regulate with parts of yourself. Now again, that's a different conversation. So parts of self work, which is something that I bring into the tapping session. So there is something there that you can sometimes do with yourself. But I really want to highlight that for people that like, look for the people, whether again, on social media even look for the people you feel warm with. Like, look for that warm feeling that you feel open with. Like a more generic way of saying it is like, where do you feel safe but really, like pay attention to your body and when you feel warm and soft and open.

Yeah.

That's a signal to you that, oh, there's some co regulation going on there and where you feel like, you can actually physically, if you attune to it, you can start to feel your body, like, move away or, like, clench or tighten up. Like, notice that. And the more you pay attention to it, usually the more adept you get. Like, it's just a practice. Right. But co. Regulation is actually a really, really big part.

Yeah. Yeah.

I love this. We've got to shift to your human design or we'll never get to it.

I'm so excited. Yes. Yes. I would love to talk about my human design. Let's do it.

I also feel like there's just already been so many little golden nuggets that are like, oh, yeah. It makes so much sense. Like, one of your completely open centers in your human design is your headspace switch in shadow side. And misalignment, when you're feeling disconnected from the rest of your body can really show up as anxiety. Feeling a lot of excess pressure, feeling super scattered with all of your thoughts. And you have so much activation within your body. So it's so fascinating to hear you just say, like, I felt disconnected from here down. And like, some of this regulation has brought that connection back in. It's.

Yeah.

So cool. So let's start.

Where were you a few years ago? I mean, honestly. Yeah, no, absolutely everything that we've talked about with my human design so far, we've just sort of together with Voxer, it's so. It's been so accurate. And let you know that one of my favorite things about you is that I do feel a sense of trust with you. Like, what I was just saying before about regulation. Like, who do you feel warm and open and trusting with? And I have been tentative about human design because everybody's been talking about it for quite a while. Like, it's been a. A period of time where I've been hearing about it again and again. And a lot of the stuff I've been exposed to so far has that woo side of like, element to it. And again, if other people are comfortable with it, that's fine. Like, I have no problem with somebody else's comfort level with it. But for me, I've seen it used in some ways that have felt maybe predatory or manipulative.

Yeah.

Or frankly just like, if I can be totally blind, like, what the hell are you even talking about? Like, I'm often like, what? So when you and I started talking, I really loved the authority and autonomy that you gave to me as the ultimate person who. It's like you. It's not. You're telling me.

Yes.

Is your human Design. And here is this little, like, box that you now live in. You are more like, oh, this is so interesting. And what do you think? And I can like, can you see this? Or like.

Yeah.

You give a lot of permission and freedom with the way you approach human design. And you're brilliant and smart af. So. Yeah, I mean.

Well, thank you.

Gosh. Well, it's true. Okay, so you leave this part of the conversation. But yes, that does make sense. The disembodied part.

Yeah.

What you're saying makes sense for sure. I'm curious about that Hermit and the networker thing. Are we getting. Oh, yeah, we.

We could totally get into that. I want to start with your Manifesting Generator self, though, because this is kind of the tip of the iceber with. With human design is the type. And so you're a Manifesting generator, which I think you told me once you were like, really turned off at first because of the word manifesting.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. I actually forgot about that because now I am comfortable with it. But okay, what I said earlier about. Woo.

Yeah.

And then what I said earlier about, like, how I've seen it used out there sometimes, the human design stuff.

Yeah.

I have a bit of a problem with the way manifestation babes are talking about.

Yeah.

A lot of the time. Oh, that. Honestly, Megan, that would be like an. Again, its own podcast. So let me think. What can I say about that? Manifestation is a real thing. I don't have a problem with that. But we're often told, like, I can tell you how to manifest. And again, you just need to, like, feel it in your body.

Yeah.

Or believe it and it will happen. Or see yourself in your future version of you. And like, there's just. It's a lot of that is not science based.

Yeah.

It's not real. And people just so desperately want to change their lives, which I understand and relate to. I have a big shiny dream for my life too, that I'm moving towards. But being told that you can manifest anything isn't realistic and doesn't address some of the very systemic problems that you might face. So again, more than one thing can be true. Can anyone be do and have anything? Maybe. But also not with the snap of your fingers or with wishful thinking. So when I first found out I was a Manifesting Generator, I was like, oh, again, this is. I don't know if you have an explicit marker on your podcast, so I'll keep my language clean. But I was just like, oh, God. Like, of course I would be the manifesting generator. And I was like, nope, not interested. However, you and the way you explain that to me then made so much more sense. So thank you for that. But yeah, I definitely had this, like, eye roll above the manifesting generator at first.

Yeah.

I love hearing just like, why you had the eye roll. I had an eye roll about the entire human design system when I first learned about it. I was like, give me a break. No one can tell me who I am. And so I feel like anyone who's listening, that is, maybe like, heard a few of the human design conversations, or if this is their first time here, hearing about human design. I just feel like those conversations are so permission giving of just like knowing, like, you can question it, you can poke holes in it, and then whenever you're ready, just, like, use it as you like. I feel I always say, I think I've told you before, I'm like, I'm the weirdest human design guide because I'm like, throw it all in the trash if you want.

Like, yeah, like just fine. I really think there's that saying. What? That when the student is ready, the teacher appears.

Yeah. Yeah.

And I think I was like, that was tapping because it didn't feel. It just sounded like too good to be true, I guess, a little bit. And then human design, I mean, how many of us have, you know, been told to take a quiz and then it gives you, like, your whole personality and a nice little.

Yeah.

Printout, you're just like, no. However, I will say that so far, what I've learned about my human design through mostly our conversations, but some. Some reading I've done on my own as well.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, this is so interesting.

Yeah.

And.

Illuminating. Like, it's illuminating. It's like, oh. And I do feel more aligned.

Yeah.

Like, to me, it's confirmation. It's not telling me something I didn't already know. It's more like, oh, like, you can, like, relax into this.

I love that.

Yeah. Yeah.

I want to pull apart the manifesting generator concept because I think think you and I talked about that on Voxer and just talk about, like, where the manifesting generator terms come from when it comes to human design. Our manifesting generators, just in general are known for being super multi passionate, hard pivots, fast pivots whenever they like. And so you might just feel like you're like really deep in a project and then all of a sudden maybe like in the middle of the sentence, you're like, like, oh, I changed my mind. I want to go over this way. And that's actually how the manifesting generators are designed to operate. So the manifesting element, traditionally in human design comes from the throat center, and it is giving. I mean, this might be a woo way to put it, but we'll roll with it. Breathing life into your possibilities. So just being able to bring things to life super fast, whether it is voicing it out or actually putting the action behind it, putting the movement behind it, and that's where it meets the generator side of. Of things. The generator side is the doer, the creator. It just has this full inner capacity to see things through until it's a no. And a lot of this comes from the body. I love you mentioned Sophia Parra's podcast that you were on recently, and I listened to your episode on there recently. I feel like we need to just like, link it up in the show notes if you all want to listen to that episode too, and just get more of. More of Jackie. But. But you had a quote in there. You said, active rest is rest. And I was like, such a manifesting generator term.

Like, that's really funny. Like, but it is. Yeah.

Like, that's the manifesting generator energy, though, of, like, you're gonna have the buzz. And to, like, if you feel like you need a reset to lay down might make you feel. It might put that nervous system like we were talking about earlier on a more heightened state. Because when the manifesting generator has energy it needs, it doesn't need to sit and settle.

Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, my favorite way to recover from. So Zoom. Zoom calls, which a lot of my business is on Zoom. Yeah, I find them very depleting, as much as I love them. So I'm so grateful that I have an international business for my little home here in Lake Country, British Columbia, Canada. Like, how awesome is that? However, Zoom sucks the living life out of me. It's just so exhausting. So my favorite way to recover and it's built into my routines, is I go for. Remember I mentioned my dog earlier? We go for. We live. We border a forest. Our house is on the edge of a forest. So how lucky am I? I can just pop out to the forest and go for a walk. Sometimes it has to be short, but no matter what, I'm really just in nature with my dog. And, you know, I prefer mostly to not be on, you know, any kind of tech at that time. It doesn't mean I never use Voxer when I'm hiking, but I'm pretty mindful of it because that's when I recover. And then it might be a manifesting generator part of me. I don't know. But my mind, it's like everything sort of settles and I get such clarity and I get great ideas, get sparked.

Yeah.

Or I just relax.

I mean, sometimes it depends. But it's a really helpful way for me to recover if I need to nap, which is rare. But if I need to nap, I need a four hour on ramp. Like, I need to be able to, like.

Yeah.

Really get into it. Because a 20 minute or never works for me. I just lay there vibrating the whole time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

For the manifesting generator, like, you're really designed to use up all of your energy in one day. So even outside of naps, like going to bed, if you go to bed and you still feel that buzz, it's a sign that you need to bring yourself to completion before you're going to fall asleep. Do you find that to be true at night as well?

I don't. I always love going to bed. I can remember in grade six, first time, I remember being like, I love going to bed. I really love my sleep. I need a lot.

Yeah.

But it might have to do with, like, maybe I'm just really also connected to using my energy to completion each day. I don't feel like things are undone when I go to bed. It does not mean. Let me be clear, I have a very long to do list like everyone else, and there are so many things that are on it that are not checked. Checked off all the time. So it's not that I'm like, oh, I had a great, productive day. It's just I feel like I'm very connected to. I'm here in this present moment. For example, I'm here giving to you in this podcast. You're giving back to me. We're having this beautiful conversation. It's going to be complete, and then I move on to the next thing and I just leave that other thing behind. It's like, so by the time I go to bed, I feel like I'm moving towards that thing. Like, I'm ready.

Yeah.

Please do not interrupt me. My husband will be like, do you want to talk? No, I do not. Not at this time. I don't know, maybe it's that hermit part too. I have no idea.

Yeah.

Been a little tricky with teenagers because that is when the teenagers want to talk is at bedtime. And so I'm now in a stage of life where I have again, talk about regulation. I have to be regulated within myself. So that I be there for them when they want to talk, because otherwise I would miss it. And then that would be such a loss to miss that connection with them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you have any tips for people that are like, I want that kind of completion with things. Like, I want to be able to just be like, oh, done next. Because it feels like. Yeah, it feels like that really does serve your energy. And like, you're. It sounds to me like you're in just, like, a really grounded place of like, okay, there's more to be done. And also there's, like, time to do, like, it.

They might have to do a little bit with that limiting belief thing. Like, which, again, I don't prefer to call that limiting beliefs, but it is kind of the word that most people are more familiar with.

Right.

Because the belief that I have is like, well, I did enough for today, and it's all I can do. I've always had very strong boundaries. I am a bit of a boundaries ninja again. I think that sometimes we just are who we are. Like, yeah, you know, if I wanted to monetize it and tell you I have a mini course and teaching people how to have boundaries, I have a feeling everybody would buy it. Because anyone who knows me is like, yeah, you are really good at boundaries. Can you tell me how to do that? It's just part of who I am. And it's just. I don't know, it's always been relatively easy for me. And I think that if you look back into the roots of your childhood, sometimes we can connect the dots. Thoughts about why we might be the way we are that, like, it's explained by. Absolutely. There's a human design component or there's our, you know, innate personality. There's genetics involved. So there's so many things that make us up who we are. And there are also our experiences.

Yeah.

And so there's the nature and the nurture part. And I think about my childhood experiences and what I learned was I take care of me.

Yeah.

So I've always just been really mindful about that. And that means that when I'm done, I'm done.

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I'm sorry, I don't have good tips, guys. Sorry. I think I don't have anything to sell about it either, so. Don't worry. I'm not trying to sell you how to do boundaries well, but I think.

There'S, like, so many good tips just in hearing that. It's like a breath of fresh air to hear people speak through what they're just really naturally good at. And like, you're like, I'm also like.

Not like, yeah, yeah. Like.

And you're like, yeah, I'm. I'm just naturally good at this. It's just innately here. I have nothing to sell you. It's just part of me. And there's something just, like, so refreshing to hear people share through those gifts.

Yeah.

Yeah. What I can say is whether it's this belief that you want to nurture or something else, you definitely can grow your belief so that it starts to feel more true for you too.

Yeah.

So there's beliefs. Of course I want to. That's, you know, I would. I'm nurturing for myself and. Because once you feel like that's true, then you're not being pushed by that fight, flight or freeze response. Like, you're not being controlled by your emotions or something that's under the surface that is involuntary or unconscious. You're really then able to be more intentional.

Yeah.

Mindful. Because you're being driven instead by this, like, foundation. So, like, I said that belief. I don't even remember what I said, but, like, what's done is done. Or I don't know. My belief is like, I did enough. It's. And it's not a. Like, I'm a perfectionist, which, by the way, I have a great relationship with. Everybody loves to talk about the recovering perfectionist again, as though it's bad to be a perfectionist. And I'm going to give everyone here that's listening a hot bonus tip. If you're a reader, grab. What is the name of the book? A Perfectionist's Guide to Losing Control. It is by. Oh, someone. Morgan. Blah.

Okay.

I can't remember the name. I'll tell you the title again, though. Perfectionist Guide to Losing Control. That book everyone I recommended it to has loved talks about maladaptive and adaptive perfectionism, which you will love too, because of the nuance to it. So perfectionism has only ever been talked about as this, like, terrible thing that you need to change about yourself so it's bad. Or sometimes we might say, like, I'm such a perfectionist, but, like, eye roll. Like, I'm such a perfectionist. One thing is, I would like to ask, like, for real, how many men do you hear calling themselves recovering Perfectionist? Not very many.

Yeah.

I once again love this topic. Feel like we could do a whole podcast episode on it. This is something I support my clients with all the time. I'm like, why is this a Bad thing. It's actually. There's actually such a gift. Sure. If your perfectionist starts to hold you back and starts to become a block, like, there's a difference there, but there's actually. So I am not a perfectionist. I am the opposite of a perfectionist. I'm like, get it done. Get it done. Messy. My husband is a perfectionist, though. And I'm like, there's so much magic in this, and there's so much magic when we can work together and use those two contrasting ways of seeing things together. Has so much harmony in it.

Yeah. And I think, okay, so we do need to stick on the human design thing. So this is the last thing I'll say about perfectionism and we can move on. But in case it's helpful for anyone out there, I actually called myself a perfectionist for a really long time because, like, you and making this manifesting generator thing, like, I am really good at getting that, like, fast action, the pivots, the I follow yes and the no in my body. And I just know, like, I like I move fast. So I've had that feedback about my business. Lots of times people are like, I wish I was more like you. Because you're able to move quickly and you take things. You just go with it. And it doesn't have to be perfect. Yes. I love that part about myself. That is true. But the way she describes perfectionism, she goes into five different perfectionists. So there might be a way that. That you relate to perfectionism that hasn't been described to you before. Like, she. One of them is called a procrastinating perfectionist. I was like, oh, that's so interesting. That one's not me, for sure. But what I loved about what she described with perfectionism that I relate to is I've always been able to clearly see an ideal and want to move towards that.

Yeah.

Do you get frustrated or disappointed?

Yeah.

Or agitated when I. Or we fall short from the ideal. So I didn't realize, like, that's perfectionism pulling me forward. Because when you can see it, you're not quite there.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, but see, it propels me to move in that direction. And I don't get stuck when I'm not there yet, because how could I be? I don't know enough yet. I haven't practiced enough yet. I need this support or that learning, whatever. Yeah, it's exactly what you said. So that's adaptive perfectionism. But the maladaptive perfectionism is. Is when you can see, like, yes, there's an ideal, or it should be this way, or it's in my mind and I can so clearly see it, but I can't bring it to that level yet. And so I'm not even willing to do it at all.

Yeah.

Or I really grind myself down to a nub trying or making it be that good when what if a B minus could be good enough today? And that's your way of getting to that. That higher level. So, yeah, not though. Exactly what we're here to talk about. So continue, please.

Oh, but it's so. It so is. And honestly, we just need to have a part two of our conversation is what I've just already decided in my mind.

We'll.

We'll talk about your. Your hermit opportunist before we close our conversation. And then I'm just putting out in the field that we're gonna do a part two to all of this and cover even more of your design and more topics. But there's so much in that that's just an. It is expressing the manifesting generator elements, and it's expressing your authority, which is sacral authority, which is tuning into your gut, tuning into your inner world, tuning into your body of just, like, what's next? And following that. So there's so much in there that is so on this topic and is just giving life to your design. Your. Eunice.

I love it.

Yeah.

Yes. Let's talk about the hermit. And you said opportunist, which I call network. So maybe what I love, because I think this might be really helpful for some of your listeners.

Yeah.

You helped me with the networking thing, and I'm using that term, I think, incorrectly now, because you said opportunist, so we can break that down. But one of the things they loved that you were talking to me about probably a couple weeks ago, you're talking about how, like, I'm. I'm comfortable connecting with people that are not strangers versus being out there with everybody. Can you break that down a little bit? Because I think that was really an interesting conversation and it might be something that someone listening will be like, oh, that makes so much more sense.

So we.

Megan, just explain that. That.

Yeah, yeah.

So you're right. It's also networker words are fun. There are so many different interchangeable words in human design. So the two is the hermit, which is all about being in your space, being in your cozy hermit cave, having lots of time alone to recharge. The hermit also just has a lot of innate gifts that are just very, like, natural Easy, easy flowing gifts that are designed for other people to call out in them. But then the four, which makes an interesting contrast, is the networker, sometimes called the opportunist. And it's all about your opportunities. Coming from network. I think the biggest misconception that happens here is that I think people make that mean fours are just made for everyone. But the reality is fours are made for their network and they're made for connections. And so it's more like this. I see it as like a spider web of, like, you find your right inner circle, which can actually be so nourishing for the two part of you where you like that time away, that time to recharge and needing, quote, unquote, people to call things out in you sometimes to call out those innate, natural inner gifts that might feel so much better for the two in you to be people that are close to you, that people that are in your inner circle versus, like a stranger that might feel kind of a little bit more jarring. You might just be like, I don't even know you. I don't know what to do with that. And yeah, I think it can just be maybe more energetically draining to be around a bunch of strangers versus being out and about with people, you know? So it might feel really good to have, if you're going to, like, a big networking event where you might meet a lot of people, it might really feel really good for the four to have someone they know with them as almost like this anchoring point, like a.

Security blankie is how I would think of it. But I like anchoring point way better. Yeah. And I think that that's something that if you ask past people who know me in, like, physical, real life, maybe online as well, I think that their perception of me would be that I'm really comfortable in groups.

Yeah. Yeah.

I think this is like part of the misconception with the four, because I have a four as well. And people are always like, oh, my gosh, you're such a social butterfly. You're like, you're probably a big extrovert. And I'm like, why? I'm actually not.

Not at all. I thought it was an extrovert for a really long time. And I do know how to turn it on. And I have the social graces of. Okay, I do look for one thing I really like. I look for people who maybe are on the outskirts and I bring them in. Like, I look for that person who's maybe feeling uncomfortable, and so I can put aside my discomfort and then go and, like, include them a little bit. So that's something that. That maybe makes it look like I'm more comfortable than I am.

Yeah.

But no, I would always way rather have a super in depth, close conversation with one person at an event or a party or get together. I do not like it when I go somewhere and I'm surprised that there are people there that I didn't expect to see. Like, I didn't know it was going to be bigger. I don't like big groups of people. Like, we have some.

Yeah.

Friends at the school. Like, they might do like a mom's night out kind of thing. And I'm like, no, thanks. Like, all my friends know me. We laugh because I. I don't have fomo. I have fogo. I'm like, fear of going out? Like, no, I think I have to.

It's such a 24 quality, too. Like the 2 4, the contrast that the 24 creates. And we recently had. Who else was a 24 recently on the show? Carly. Carly Clark Zimmer, who's a mutual friend of ours. She's also a 2, 4. And I think we talked about the same thing where she was like, I just have this constant internal battle of, like. Like, do I want to go out or do I want to be in my cozy hermit cave?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Totally. And almost always I want to be my cozy hermit cave. But to your point, not alone.

Yeah.

Like, I do like to have that person who's in your circle. And I do think it maybe. So us talking about this is interesting to me because I wonder if it's the business I've created matches with this because I have been told so many times by my clients.

Yeah.

In my programs that I create a very safe and warm environment. And that, like, they come to that place and they just feel like they're with their people.

Yeah.

And I intentionally do not run really big groups. Like, I have a membership, and it's a higher. To get membership on purpose because that's the kind of group I'm cultivating there. So I'm not looking for 100 members.

Right.

I'm looking for a smaller group of members and you can come and go. Like, people don't have to stay. So it is a membership. You can unsubscribe. But what tends to happen is people come in and stay a really long time. Like, I've had people in there now for. What year is it right now? 2024. Okay. So I've had people in there since January of 2021.

Yeah.

Yeah, I can imagine. The 24 creates, like, a really intimate space. And then also the manifesting generator energy is just really warm and welcoming in itself because manifesting generators are designed to respond to life. And so you're constantly, like, scanning for what you're responding to in life. Like, what feels good, what feels like a yes, what feels like a no. Where do I want to pivot next? And there's this constant response. And when you're in your alignment, meaning you're just. Just doing things that light you up and really deeply satisfy your energy, it's really natural for people to be like, I want to come on board too.

Like, they just feel that warmth. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, before we close, I have a question for you that I think people love.

Oh, I love it.

Put this on your podcast, because I've listened to a few episodes, so if I've missed this, I'm sure you've talked about it elsewhere, but I'm curious. Tell me something that's like a blind spot or, like, what would be a blind spot of a. Of a manifesting generator? Like something that we sometimes.

Yeah, that's a great question. I love you coming prepared with the questions.

I just thought of it now. But I love that we're talking so much about, like, the strength and what's great about your units. Like, I love that because, I mean, don't we just all. When we come into your space, I think we just.

Yeah.

So seen.

Yeah.

And so supported in being who we are. And I don't actually think that a blind spot is. Again, it's not a problem. It's not like I don't feel like, oh, that's a bad part of my unis. I'm just curious if there's something that. Yeah, you've seen people in the Manifesting Generator, human design. If you've seen something that you're like, huh, this is a good thing to be aware of. Maybe. Maybe just be mindful of this.

Yeah.

There's two that are coming up right now. One is holding on to things past their expiration date, because manifesting generators are designed to do hold as many yeses as they want at one time. That's that like, multi passionate energy. And I think the biggest shadow or blind spot in that is like, well, I said yes to it, so now I have to see it through. But manifesting generators aren't necessarily designed to see everything all the time, all. All the way through. And so holding onto things past their expiration date, meaning it now feels like a no. And that can feel really hard, especially if it's a fast pivot of like, I said yes to this. Maybe I brought other people on board and now it feels like a no. That can feel really hard. But it also ultimately can be really permission giving because there might be something that someone else in that space is looking to maybe take on more or there's so much, much. There's so much magic in a no. And I feel like manifesting generators. I figured you loved the no. I was like, of course you know.

That I love the no. I actually literally was just chatting with Danny Page, who's like an expert copywriter who teaches copywriters how to write really amazing sales pages here in Canada. Works with everybody internationally, of course. But she's another Canadian. And literally yesterday I was just saying to her, I love no. No. Like, like no. Makes me so happy. But I wonder two things. One is the boundaries. Ninja. So there's that. But I also wonder what happens with maturity. Like, I'm 47. Wait, wait, 46. Do not age me too quickly. Isn't it funny how we like round ourselves up? My birthday is in May, so I'm 46 currently at the time of recording.

Yeah.

And I think that sometimes too with maturity, like, what I've noticed is you do start to get clarity about your limitations. And again, I don't think being limited is a bad thing. I think being told has some. I have some questions about that as a human being.

Yeah.

So I think limits are okay. I think limits give us guardrails. They help us to make decisions and choices.

Yeah.

And it can. I'm not. When I'm saying I love the word no, I'm not saying that. It's always easy to say no.

Yeah.

But no is a freedom giving word. Word. And you cannot say yes to everything.

Yeah.

So saying no. When I say no, I'm also simultaneously saying yes to something else. It's not just, yeah, yeah, so I do love no, I love no. But that makes sense. I've seen that in my past and I can definitely see we were talking about more in my younger years. I could see the multi passionate, the thinking I can do it all, the wanting to just keep going and pushing through was a, a problem for me earlier in life, for sure.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I think it's a lot of like, what I see is a lot of like settling too. Of just like, you know, I, I work with a lot of people who are like, oh, I, I did this thing that was supposed to be temporary and I'm still in it 5 years, 10 years, 20 years down the line. And so I think that's like holding on to something past the expiration date, too, of just like, let's just been fine. Like, it. It works fine, but it doesn't, like, ignite you.

Yeah, yeah.

There's.

I had. I've changed the sales page many times, but I have a program called Goal Trauma. Like G O A L Goal.

Yeah.

And a winter version and a summer version.

Yeah.

And there was one of the. You know, like, there's like the eyebrow copy at the top of sales page. If people don't know what I mean. It's like that first line you read, and it kind of like calls you in a little bit. Helps, you know, if you. If this is you or not. And one of the lines I had in there probably last year, so 2023ish was. It was for people who knew they were made for more and are afraid they're settling for less.

Yeah.

So I think that's kind of what you're describing.

Yeah.

I also love that, like, you're like, oh, I change the sales copy all the time. I find that my manifesting generator, like, my manifesting generator, people are like, yeah, I might be doing the same thing on all the time, but I'm, like, constantly changing the copy or I'm constantly, like, redoing the content in it or like, there's just always a pivot, even if you're just doing one thing. So I love that. You said that.

You said it's why you have to be the authority and you have to know yourself. Might work with a business coach that tells you that that's a bad thing to do because you're using too much energy and you just need to be okay with re.

Yeah.

Doing things like, you need to, like, make less work for yourself. I'm all for, like, automation. For example, I have a friend who's taught me how to automate things. Cheryl. We've talked about Cheryl Rare. She's taught me so much about automation and how easy it makes my business. So I love that. But I've also. Yeah, I lean into the part of me. My manifesting generator part. I guess I just didn't know that's what it was. But I freaking love rewriting things because I learn every time. Also, frankly, like, that program. It is the same title, but I do a different version of it every round because there's no way. It's not static. It's a living and breathing thing. Because all of the humans who come into it are different. So it's funny because I have people who will take it every single time. It's not because they're more broken than anyone else. It's because they're working with a different goal that they know they're going to get like a lot of forward movement, clarity first and then forward movement with it.

Yeah.

But the description of the sessions is what I keep the same, but what we actually do ends up being different every time. Yeah, you smiling. Because people aren't on camera. They can't see us. But my dog is in the background doing like little zoomies and getting comfortable on her bed. And Megan is like having a little giggle.

I'm loving it so much. Like, dogs always bring the joy. Okay, second block. Maybe we'll make this a quick one. Would be anger is a huge misalignment signpost for manifesting generators. And often times not going to be.

A quick one, Megan. Sorry guys. I hope you have a few more minutes.

Maybe we'll cliffhanger it like and tune into part two.

We might need to. Because I'm very connected with my anger.

So tell me more. So every human design type has a signposts for alignment and a not self theme for misalignment. For the manifesting generator, it is anger and frustration. And so I find that, yeah, a huge block for manifesting generators. Definitely anger in general. But I think most often what I see is anger that people aren't doing it as fast as them because manifesting generators move so quick. And so it's like there can be this anger or frustration that builds up of like, what are you doing? Like, why are you not doing this as fast as me and expecting people to just keep up along the way.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, I totally relate to that. Okay, so when I said I'm connected with my anger, that's a different conversation. And I work with emotions, like professionally. So again, we'll stick a pin in that one for later. But what you just described specifically with really relating to anger, that makes sense.

Yeah.

And you know what? It really has come home to roost. Here's a funny story. So in my previous, this not my previous life, literally, talk about going woo really fast. But my previous profession, I used to be a national event planner here in Canada. And we. I worked in an office in Kelowna and we. I remember this really amazing lady that I work with, worked with and she was so good at what she did, but she was a little bit, well, like forgetful maybe. I don't really think the Word scatterbrained is very complimentary. So I don't want to use it and I just use it on podcast. So everybody just delete that. But I'm trying to give, like, a sense of.

Yeah.

Because that is kind of how I would have described her back then. I don't now. That's why I'm, like, looking for a new word to replace that with. But back then, I'm talking, like, a long time ago, like a decade and a half. Go.

Yeah.

So I would have been in my, let's say, early 30s. And I remember being so impatient with her because she was forgetful and, like, scattered. And she would have been in her mid-40s, I think, when we were working together. And now at 46, in my perimenopausal years. It is. That is real. That's another podcast to people, for people to go listen to. There's a great podcast on Rich Rolls podcast right now about menopause and women in with Alzheimer's. And, like, it's so interesting to hear about that. But my point is, for anyone who's in these years, it is a time of, you know, really rediscovering yourself.

It is.

It's been called, like, a second puberty. And you're my kids, they are in puberty. They're in adolescence. And their brains really do change dramatically.

Yeah.

And they are very forgetful. And it seems like, who are you? Like, did we already learn this?

Right.

And that's how I feel now.

Right.

And it's interesting because I was so impatient with her, I wouldn't have said the word angry. But remember, the anger is a spectrum. Right. We kind of use that word. But yeah, you can feel anything from impatience or irritation or annoyance all the way infuriated. And I felt like, low level.

Yeah.

Anger, we could call it, but like low level frustration or irritation with her because she was often missing things.

Yeah.

Or needing to go over it again. And I was just, just so, like, hurry up already. And now I have so much more grace for. Yes. Her. But, like, for that part of me that's like, oh, this is what she was experiencing.

Yeah.

And yeah, it's like, that's how we learn and we grow.

Yeah.

I don't feel impatient with myself. And I think that that's probably a testimonial to, like, doing the work like that we have to do when we're growing. It's like, but thank God for that work because, yeah, I probably. I'll. I'll call her. I'll DM her Later today and be like, hi, it's me. No, I don't know if she even noticed. Hopefully not. That's why I'm not naming her if she listened to this podcast. I'm really sorry if I wasn't too big of a jerk.

Oh, my gosh, I love this so much. I love what you said about anger being a spectrum too, and that's. And impatience is a lot of times the way a manifesting generator will describe the anger. When it comes to, like, an impatience with the other people, it's usually very external, not very internal. So I love how you describe that.

Yeah.

Yeah, it is.

I'm definitely. Okay. So Steve, my husband, if he's listening to this podcast, I do. I'm sorry, I'm very impatient with Steve. So let's be honest, like, it's still a work in progress over here.

We'll have to pull Steve's human design and see. See what Energy.

Yeah, that could be really interesting.

Yeah.

Stay tuned for part two, everyone.

Yeah.

Part two. We'll talk about anger. We'll talk about perfectionism, maybe we'll talk about Steve's human design. We'll see where it goes. Thank you so much for such a good, nourishing, just full of golden nuggets conversation.

You know, there was a podcast that you had recently that I, I. This is how I knew for sure that we were a fit. Who was it that was honest? She said, we're the same brand of weird.

It's my friend Mandy.

Yeah.

Yeah. So we're the same brand of weird. And all of your listeners who are also the same brand of weird, thank you for sticking with us for this whole episode. I would love to hear from you if you came away with any nuggets, like hit me up on Instagram or pop into my inbox and say hi and let me know you listened. And I really, I mean, that little hermit networker opportunist. Part of me is like, I'm always looking for my people, and it's really fun to connect, you know, human to human.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So thank you for having me on.

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