"I'm not pretending to be someone else." - Episode 091

Good stuff.

Yeah, we'll jump in.

All right. Last week's. Hasn't. Hasn't. Pot hasn't dropped yet.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if we're going to include this or not.

Do you want to start the pot off with this or not? Just say we dropped. Dropped the episode.

We recorded something and didn't, didn't put it out there.

We just didn't feel like it was exactly a good representative what we wanted to be put out. I don't know.

It's up to you.

You don't have to.

I mean, yeah, sure, maybe we'll leave it in. Maybe I'll cut this up. But. Welcome back. Another episode, C Suite Unfiltered. There. Now, to anyone's knowledge, if, if I do put this in. There are sometimes forbidden episodes where we record. We listen back and we're like, you know, maybe that wasn't the best.

It gets filtered 100. So that is where we're at. But we're back. Mike is on the road, he is traveling and we're going to jump in because we have a short timeline. We're both busy. You're traveling and doing all these different turnarounds. So I sent you a screenshot and I'll put this up here in post from Alex Hormozi. So we, we all know and love him, we all follow him and he posted something on his Instagram account that, that was very interesting. So I don't know what your thoughts are on this, but I'll just go ahead and read it. If you're poor, it makes sense to buy a suit and pretend you have money. If you're rich, it makes sense to hide your wealth and look like an everyday guy. When you're strong, appear weak. When you're weak, appear strong. Sin Tzu. There's zero advantage to being accurately judged. What are your thoughts on this post?

It's definitely accurate. Like it doesn't at first. It's like, oh, like you're trying to be something that you're not. And I think everyone gets a pass when they are, no, they're just getting started, but they go get a nice suit. They want to be presentable in front of the customer. They have a nice truck that's wrapped, a nice uniform, and behind the scenes they're the duck with the feet underneath the water and we all give them a pass. But then you know the same thing is not true once it got flips. And that is you do not want to appear as a stuck up rich person and you do Want to. It's actually really funny you sent me that. Because this morning I was having a conversation with Brianna about this.

She's like, yeah, yeah.

When she asked me, she said, so when, when, when would you feel it is okay for you to get a Tesla? Because, like, she knows I like Teslas.

Yeah.

And so. And she knows I did not get a Tesla last year. I got a Honda Accord because of the way it would be perceived by the team. And so I said, well, in all honesty, probably never.

And I listed off the reasons why. And maybe it's just like a limited mindset of my own could be. But if I love the cars, I can go test drive the cars, I can go rent the cars, I can have fun with them. But, like, my daily driver, I feel like I want it to be kind of like the average of the people I'm working with every day. And again, this is what he's talking about. And I don't think this is, that everyone abides by this, but, like, I do feel it is the most successful way to navigate social awkwardness.

Is to do what he's saying. And that is, like, when you are rich, you appear poor, and when you are poor, you appear rich. It's kind of like the socially accepted thing to do.

Yeah.

Okay.

I don't want to zoom in directly onto your, your situation with the Tesla, because you know how I feel. I think you should just get one. So if you, if you say you're never going to own one here, we'll just bookmark this. Someone will have to bring this up when we go public. I'm buying you one. I'm getting it delivered to your house. It's just gonna show up. There you go.

I already, I already know what I'm getting you. I already know what I'm getting you.

Oh, wow. I didn't, I didn't expect anything. But. Okay, very cool, Very cool. Now I want to know. But. So there you go. I spoiled my surprise. I'm just gonna have a Tesl dropped right at your front, front door, and then you're gonna have to deal with it. But I, I think I, I, I, I agree with you where at the surface level, it's, it's, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. So this quote from Hormozi, it's like, oh, so you're just going to pretend to be somebody you're not to take advantage of others, whether it be to take advantage from a social perspective, take advantage from a monetary perspective. Whatever it is you're pretending to Be something you're not. But I do mildly disagree with the last comment, which is there's zero advantage to being accurately judged. I would disagree with that because I feel that the product you're putting out, your content, obviously this podcast, your turnaround shows are as accurate as possible. Right? You and your media team work very hard to remove the fabricated drama elements. Obviously you need clicks. You're gonna, you know, elaborate on certain topics, but you're not going to fabricate drama. You're not going to create fake situations for those clicks. You are trying to. Trying to be judged accurately on YouTube. So I would disagree in that perspective, maybe from a social media content, that there actually is value to being accurately judged when it comes to content. What are your thoughts on that?

I think he's mostly talking about the perception of wealth. I don't think he's necessarily talking about, like, the perception of, like, what we do on the show or like, content wise, I think he's talking about most about wealth. But I would also argue that, like, we had nice cameras before we had a bigger channel. When we first started the turnaround show, like, we were trying to figure things out. We're trying to act big. We'd have, like, legal stuff done to make sure, like, it was professional, the people entering. So I don't know. And then I think down the road, like, if the show, as the show gets bigger and I do have an announcement, I can talk about this new, new show being added to the turnaround show. But.

The.

Down the road, down the road it'll flip. So it'll become much more like, okay, we want, we don't want this to feel like a big production. We want to scale this down and we're starting to actually get there now where it's like, okay, like this. This was the first turnaround series where we had three people in addition to me on set. The four people. And we already were like, whoa, people are going to start locking up on these interviews. If we have so many people in the room, if there's so many cameras, if we have too much preparation. And so I almost feel like we're almost getting there now. We're like, okay, we need to feel like we need this to feel a little more organic and like small and whether it be smaller cameras, gear, less preparation on set, more pre. Things like that. So, yeah, I don't think necessarily right in all aspects of life, but definitely when it comes to wealth, there's validity to whether or not you are socially accepted. Now the person that love, like the person that is so good with themselves and so confident themselves. They can just be who they are.

Awesome.

Cool.

Yeah.

If you're poor, you feel you look poor. If you're rich, like, awesome. Kudos to you. I think what's socially acceptable is honestly pretty accurate what he's saying there.

Yeah. So trying to find that, that social balance is what you're saying. Like, that's what people should, should focus on. But then who's that serving? Like, if you're trying to find that social balance, is it, is it self serving? Is it serving to the community? Is it serving to, let's say your boss to your employees? Like, who is that serving? By fabricating, for lack of a better word, this, this image that is to be more standardized, if you will, in your environment. Who is that serving?

For me personally, it is. I don't want to make people feel awkward or weird or strange. Okay. And so like, but I remember, like when I first started Augusta, like on my first couple years, I, I would dress up, so I would do work, I would shower and I would put on a suit and tie and go do a lawn care estimate. I was appearing as if I was something else than I really was. I was trying to appear like, this is very professional and like, we got this nailed down. And whereas, like now I'm going to get on stage tomorrow, I have four keynotes at this presentation or this, this conference and I'm going to be in my work pants, my work boots and my, my working shirt. And the reason is because I do not want to get in front of these people and feel like I'm this like, suit and tie software guy that doesn't know what they're going through. And so I do it mostly because I have a message I want people to hear. And I don't want my perception of my social or economic status to get in the way of the message. And for people, like, hey, I don't care what people think about me.

Awesome.

Awesome. They do think something about you. And for me, I don't want that to hinder, like, what I'm trying to get across to them.

Yeah, it's a good point. So it is self serving, but not in a selfish way because you do want your message to come across, but it also for their benefit because you don't want to be perceived as something you aren't and therefore have your message tainted. Because we all have biases. We all have presuppositions about people. We all judge whether we want to or not. Like, we all have different biases. And different backgrounds that bring us to certain conclusions. You see someone dressed a certain way. You see someone driving a certain car, right? Like the joke about, like, big trucks, right? Like, one of our owners who just came, new owner training inside of Augusta. I was like, what do you drive? They told me what they drove. I was like, yeah, I can see it. Right? Like, I had this presupposition about, like, what I thought they drove based on their personality. So, yeah, you want to kind of almost, like, vanilla it without ruining your authenticity. Does that make sense? You want to make it vanilla to where you can be your full, authentic self and not turn anyone away from it. Is that kind of what you're getting at?

Yeah, I would say so, yeah.

So I don't know. But I like that we're going to kind of kind of switching. It's a Horosi heavy episode because he was also on the Diary of a CEO podcast with Stephen Bartlett. Did you listen to that?

I did, yep. 2x speed, by the way, YouTube is moving it to 4x speed. You can do 4x speed now. Let's go. I can do 2.5, no problem. But 4x is a lot, dude. Four extra missing words. It's pretty intense.

You're missing stuff. Yeah, you're missing stuff. So anyways, three hour podcast, Hormozy Duo. Steven Bartlett, Diary of CEO. But on that, I want to zoom in on one specific conversation that they had. But this ties into the quote that Hormozi posted two weeks ago. So I thought it's kind of funny, like, okay, you post this quote about, you know, don't. Don't be judged accurately, right? Put on. Put on this fabrication, if you will, to. As a sign of strength in order to get your message across. Great. But then on the Diary of a CEO, he goes. He basically said, you should always be yourself. Right? He said that, Layla, he got in some hot water for some tweets he was putting up. He was like, maybe I shouldn't talk. You know, politics or macroeconomics. I should just kind of stay in my lane. And, you know, Layla was basically telling him, like, hey, don't edit yourself. Don't delete yourself. Don't change yourself. Like, be yourself. And he was like, it's bet on the Diary of a CEO. He said, it's better to be disliked for who you are than disliked for trying to be someone else. And I thought that was really interesting because then it's like, well, yeah, but then you said, maybe don't be accurately judged. So where's the line. Does that make sense?

I think it comes down to do you care about being accurately judged? Like if you actually want to be accurately judged, then you know, be who you are. But if you're trying to.

Change the behavior of someone that is, it perceives a certain status as better or they affiliate them with them more, you are going to be the chameleon. And I don't think it's bad. I think it's like, I don't think it's bad. I think it, I think people who are, are sensitive to other people, they're going to be sensitive to this. Like I, I feel very weird in some, awkward in some situations. If, if the general like population I'm just hanging out with, for example, is not business owner. I know that they struggle financially. I just don't, I feel very strange in terms of like, I don't want people to know about me. I don't need, I don't want them to know about money or YouTube stuff and I don't want them to feel awkward. I don't want to feel that, that, that social thing. And I don't want them to feel less than me. And so that's a big thing for me is that's like even like sharing behind the scenes stuff like stories and things was very much like even the past few months. Like, yes, our, our Instagram has got 50% since like the past two months when I started like sharing stories and behind the scenes stuff because people start to actually care. But like it's not easy for me because I don't, I know people see that, that I, I have kind of this other image of like a regular guy. No one knows who I am. And so being a chameleon I don't think is a bad thing. I don't think it's being inauthentic. I think it's being sent to the people around you and making them feel comfortable. And I do not want people to be nervous around me. I feel bad when even team members, because they're now more aware of what's going on for them to feel nervous talking to me, I don't like that. So I try to do that a lot just so that people feel comfortable to be around me. I don't ever become like that, that notion of like untouchable, like, I just, that's what even having security at conference was just so I did not want that. It gives this perception of being untouchable and I do not want that at all. Especially speaking with blue collar industry workers and people that were Hardworking folks, like, they don't want to have anything to do with that. And so I'm always very careful on the. On that angle.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. No, it's smart. So would you say, and this is more a personal question and then we can extrapolate, but for you, do you think it also maybe helps kind of keep your ego in check, like, operating in this way?

Technically, if I had. If I had a less of an ego, I could care less what people think.

And I do care what people think about me when it comes to that, because a. When it comes to the business owners, I want them to be able to receive from me. So I'm willing to be a chameleon somewhat. And it's not like I temper what my thoughts or my opinions are, but, like, I will make sure that I dress like them, I speak more like them, that I do not put myself above position. I don't ever want that. And so even, like, you know, even, like words, we're using it like the leadership team, when we talk about internal things, it's like, we. We need to elevate other people. And so.

I don't know where I was going with that, but, yeah, I.

Was asking if it, like, helps you keep your ego in check, like, operating in this way.

I don't know, dude. I don't. I know I. I can come across egotistical. I know there's things I say that can come across egotistical. And so whenever I feel like that flare up, I, like, everyone knows. And if you're sensitive to it, you know when your ego's flaring up. And so I know when it's flaring up and like, that, that is too. Because to me, the thing I hate the most is pride. Like, anyone that's pride, immediate turn off. And so the last thing I want to be is that person. And so I think I'm sensitive enough to know, like, when it's starting to rise up a little bit. And like, okay, that. That's not good. That's not good. Whatever is happening right now to cause that, we need to eliminate. And it's difficult. It gets harder. I'll be honest. Like, it gets harder as.

Praise gets louder and it gets more public. And that. That is required to have the impact I want to have, but it is not required to have an ego. And so that's a very fine line. It's difficult sometimes. And I want to be accepting of people's praise. I'm not the type of person, like, don't say that. Like, I Want to appreciate when someone says, like, thank you, you change me. Like, I do it. I pull that in. Um, I don't try to brush it off. But then at the same time, like, in the back of my brain, I'm, like, literally replaying all the weaknesses and the struggles I know I have and the businesses failures and the stuff I'm working on. Cause I'm like, you gotta. You gotta stay centered and level.

Yeah, no, I agree with that. And I think there's a difference between ego and expertise. Like, you're. You're worried that, like, oh, man, if I come in and I'm, like, dominating this conversation, or if I'm, like, really directly telling someone what to do or how to change something, like, if that's you, and I'm just, you know, assuming here, if that's when you're like, okay, maybe the ego's building up a little bit. There's the balance of expertise. Right? Because, you know, if, like, if Alex walked into Augusta today and started telling you all these things, you wouldn't be like, wow, look at this guy's ego. You'd be like, no, he's just built so many businesses. There's a level of expertise here that I'm just gonna be quiet and listen. And so I think that comes also with rapport. Like, people that know you, that have rapport with you, that followed you, that know your content will know, okay, this is expert Mike, not ego Mike. But then you get the sound bites that go out there. And another, you know, comment that Alex made in the diary of a CEO is that, like, your content is like a mosaic. So some people will see one piece of content, like, wow, this guy's egotistical. And then some people will see a piece of content and be like, wow, this guy's soft. Like, there's all these layers to your content, and it's the people that have rapport with you. It flips from ego to expertise. Does that make sense?

Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you. If you can let your. Your track record speak for you, that helps a lot. And so, you know, building Augusta, like, one thing that I can usually stand on, like, what can you say that no one else can, gives you the platform to say whatever you want and be more authentic and be more blunt or say whatever you want to say, be who you want to be, because no one can replicate what you've done. And that's why, like, in part, like, I wanted to get rid of, like, selling courses and content. Like, I wanted to make that free because, like, I don't want to be like, oh, he became successful because of content. Like, no, like, we broke even at best on that. And so, you know, as you build up the location count, for example, with Augusta, number of people using Copilot subscribers even is like a very, like, social currency that people now give you the platform to say what you think and believe you without you having to, like, brag. Right. So, like, I'll get on the stage tomorrow and half the people vote on who I am. I will have to kind of build my story out versus someone like Alex hops on stage. He just says something. I'm like, I believe him because there's already this brand equity that's been built up. And so the goal with the content is you build up brand equity. So when you say stuff, people just believe you and they. They do it instead of, oh, well, that's just some random person. I don't know who they are, don't know what they've done. And so that's like, the objective with the branding part personally is just like, so when you say stuff, people like, okay, he has a track record. I will listen. He has experience. And to your point, expertise, not you go, yeah, yeah.

So I guess zooming in on that, kind of transitioning the conversation to your comment about, hey, we're going to make all the courses free. And I know you kind of made an offhanded comment last week during one of the training sessions or two weeks ago during one of our training sessions, you know, someone asked, you know, hey, are you. You still kind of go in the Dave Ramsey route? And then you're like, I don't know if we're going to go the education route as much now. Obviously, your content is still very educational. So what is the thought process if you're willing to share behind making all the courses free as well as, you know, it sounds like you're moving a little bit more away from focusing on education and really focusing on building your businesses and your brand.

Yeah, there's no enterprise value in education. And so you make a cash flow, but there's no enterprise value. So, like, no one goes public on the back of a course. No one goes public on the back of, like, even, like, someone like Dave Ramsey has hundreds of millions in revenue, doesn't go public because there's so much equity in the person and the education, and you're basically a marketing company. I don't want to be a marketing company. I want to build great products that supersede my brand and supersede my name and supersede you know, Augusta Nation needs to live on beyond Mike Andes. I've always said that. And so to do that, we have to create products, we have to create software systems. Let's create teams. That. And from an enterprise value perspective, when we go public, like, no one cares about the media that is content, but if we're doing, you know, 10, $15 million worth of web design that has some sort of enterprise value. And so we always are just trying to convert the free content into actual. You take the cash flow or you take the eyeballs from content and you throw it towards something else. And this is what. This is what Alex does, too. He gives away everything for free. And knowing he. He's not going to have any enterprise value there. And then they get them into a $5,000 workshop, and then from the $5,000 workshop, you get into a $50,000 day, and from the $50,000 day, you become an acquisition partner. And from that, he can make hundreds of millions of dollars. So, like, going after the small fish of, like, I want $10 here and $50 for this course, like, there's no enterprise value. And if we're going to go public, there's going to be, like, zero valuation given to online courses. And so now with owners inside of Augusta Nation investing, like, I actually think about this, and I was like, when we go public, I need all these people to be making 50. That, like a lot of money. Yeah. And that is the goal. And it becomes more aligned with now people putting money with that as the anticipation, like, their. Their scorecard of my success will be like, when we go public, what's the valuation? And so that's just what I'm gunning for. And by the way, I had some people message me from the C suite unfiltered. They emailed me, and they're like, what's this talk of, like, Augusta public? I realized that we kind of like, we teased the whole, like, investing in Augusta. We never really thoroughly went through it.

Well, yeah, we teased it because it was before the.

Before conference, Owners conference.

And we wanted to make sure we made that announcement directly to the owners in Augusta first. So we teased it, but then we never talked about in the public. But hey, if you. If you want to know these things, you got to be part of Augusta. So book a call with me, you know, always. Always book a call with me, and we can get you on the inside. You can. You can be part of the family, you know? Yeah. So I'm happy to talk about that. So it sounds like, let's Table that for a second. It sounds like just the vision has become more clear, the pathways become more clear. And not to oversimplify it, you're like, how do I return value to the shareholders? Right? Not that there are actual shareholders right now, but there are people that are looking to invest in Augusta. You want to take it public. So now the pathway is clear. I must return value to shareholders. Is that kind of the focus at this point?

Yeah, I want people to get rich. Like, I try not to be skating around the fact that I want everyone on the team to make a gazillion dollars. I want the first 10 owners inside of a Gust Nation on the platform when we go on into the public stock exchange. And I want anyone that invests like, filthy rich and so, and then use the money that we get from the public to be able to do robotics. So being very clear about that.

And so.

Yeah, like, the content brings cash flow and it really helped us even get the losses like the franchise the first few years. And it's been very helpful to pay for that stuff. But now getting more eyeballs is more important because we have so many different places we can direct that traffic to much higher value things. And what's crazy, dude, is we still make a bunch of money on lawn care media stuff. So we just determine just this thing. Okay, like, hey, we'll make all the content for free. And like, well, hey, what about the designs? Like, we, if we let it go for free, everyone will have it and it'll lose the value in the market and then, like, then it becomes worthless. And so, okay, we'll just leave those ones for free and whatever we make there, we'll put right back in the media team. So, hey, we're making more than ever. Let's go online Care media. And I think it's because everyone's watching the content for free and then they just go over there and hop over there for like 50 or whatever. And same thing with long hair web design. Let's go like crushing it. So.

We'Re definitely. So we're hiring two more editors. We are going full board in the turnaround show. I just did three this week. We. We're also doing this conference thing, so I'll record a bunch of videos here, but we're, we're adding in. I'm gonna make the announcement here because it, I think it's official. I had a, A, a poll going up on, on Instagram stories and so. Sorry.

Oh, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's gonna be business. It's gonna be business breakthrough. Yeah, yeah, it's 41% breakthrough. Okay. Yeah, that's it right there. So Business Breakthrough is going to be the move. What we're doing is instead of doing turnarounds, which we will continue to do, I'll play at least 30 this year. But we're also wanting to add in where larger businesses that are successful can apply and they, they, they already making good money, usually over a million in revenue and they want to get to the next level. It's like how do they franchise? How do you do multiple locations, how they get out of the business, daily operations, how they make it just make more profit. So it's really cool. We're just changing everything up. Way more preparation when this turnaround show, these last three and they're so good. So I'm really looking forward to it. But that's funded still for long term media and longer web design. But yeah, anyways, all that to say I'm not Mother Teresa giving away the courses like we are making a good money to be able to still fund that.

Yeah, totally. So Business Breakthrough, that's the name of the new show. Talking to successful owners, helping them scale, helping them optimize, helping them delegate, create systems, whatever it is. I had an idea for the name. It's already official. I was like, I want the people show. Like it's, it's, it's oversimplified. But it's just the trade show.

The trade show.

Yeah, but it's too general. Yeah, no, I know general. I think that'd be a good podcast name. Yeah, but the reason I like trade shows.

Yeah, but in the trades, like you're in home services, you're going to be helping us. It's oversimplified. But I'm just saying the reason, like.

Business break, Duke, Shout out. Stephen Gallagher, media team senior video editor, came up with a name. Video. Yeah. Business Breakthrough is good because this, we have Business turnaround and we have Business Breakthrough. So you either struggling and we can help you or you're at the next level already and you want to go higher. Also, we'll probably tie into my book in 2026 because I want to do one like multiple locations, general managers, all that sort of stuff. And it's going to be like, how do you break through past a million? Like the sound barrier of a million. That's not happening. I'm not even. It's not on the radar, not working on it. It's going to happen and if I can do what I do, like the business, total business turnaround. And do the business breakthrough past a million, that'd be interesting. But no promises.

And then eventually business buyout. And that's helping people sell, make it an asset that they can sell. And then you help them facilitate that and then you just become acquisition. Com.

Wait, we got off the rails. All right, well, I don't know.

Everyone do that. I don't think everyone would be an investor. Yeah, I think I'm much more interested in Oper being an operator and building stuff and. No, no shade. No shade whatsoever on Alex. He's optimizing for the money side and that's. He will make a lot of money. I. I love the industry and I would rather build products and teams, at least myself personally.

Yeah. And I think one thing that resonated going back again to the podcast diary of CEO Alex said that eventually you can define your success by the company and not the company you've built, but the company around you, the people that you're building it with. And I think that's one of the reasons that I've stuck with you for so many years and why I still believe so much in the mission and I'm so obsessed with what we're trying to do is because I love the company and that is the people that we're doing it with. Working with you, with Liz, with Nick, with all these other people that have been around for years, you know, you name them, it's just. I love the company. I love the people that we're doing it with.

Let's go next Monday. We have a great big hire coming to copilot. Been a long time in the making. We had two good ones this last week. Michael Bunch and Lee Hayes joined the engineering team. But this one on Monday's big time.

Cool.

It's been months and months trying to get this one on, so I'm not gonna say his name because I don't know when you're gonna release this today, but. Yeah. Anyways. Cool.

I love it. Well, any not financial advice for the people as we wrap?

Yeah, dude, I got nine. Finish. I got nine financial advice. Usually I forget. Okay. So I actually have a whole list now of non financial advice. After last, I'm completely dropping the ball. Okay. So I'm not sold on this one completely. Okay. Not 100%.

This is a travel hack. This feels like a travel hack.

It's a travel hack. So, you know, it's one of those things. I know he's gonna love this moment. So I gotta give him his flowers. Francis. Yeah.

Oh, no.

Francis. I always mock Him. I always mock him for his. When he. We walk around and we're on a show on a set and he has this like kind of like man purse situation.

Cross body bag dude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've always mocked him. I was wrong. It's very handy. So I'm not sold on yet. I might bail on this idea. But I did go out after Francis once again pulling out like, you know, you got chapstick, boom. You need floss, boom. You know, keys, boom. Never loses AirPods in there. So I went out and got one. Let's go. Just black. Keeping it simple. We'll see if it's going to last or not. Because I still don't know if I feel good about this situation. I don't know if it's manly enough. I don't feel very masculine wearing it it. So I'll see if it lasts or not. But dude, I just have always have so much stuff in my pockets. Like I have my AirPods, I have my phone, I have my wallet. My keys are getting a lot now because of all the offices. If you're, if you're carrying, you know, we have situations here. So these are things that we gotta, gotta keep an account for. So we'll see how it works. Talk to me like a week or two, see if it's still sticking. But you know, at least for travel I'm on board because I don't care like airport stuff. But that's the move currently.

Yeah, fair enough. I think the cross body bag is quite literally body type based. I don't think I could wear one. I think it would look weird on me. Like, like I look good in a backpack. No offense. Backpack on you kind of looks a little big, right? But across body bag, I think it's, I think there's a balance, right? So it's just, hey, I'm pro crossbody bag. I'm. I'm also, I'm pro. Bring back the fanny pack, dude.

Like just what it is in, in the descript in, in the comments. You gotta let us know. Are we, are we pro fanny pack? Are we pro belt bag or we pro, you know, the full out man purse. That's, that's the situation. I don't know if I'm, I don't know if I'm sold. I literally feel like my testosterone drops when I wear it. So we'll see if, see how long it lasts.

Low T over here. All right, man. Well, my non financial advice is going to take a drastically serious turn. It was not supposed to after that. But it's just a quote. But I shared it in a meeting the other day and it resonated with the folks in the meeting. So just simply this. And I don't know who to attribute this quote to, but it is do not attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance. So a lot of times we just don't know what's going on. People don't know what's going on. They're not being malicious, they're not being mean to you. They just don't know what's going on. So don't attribute to malice what could be a tribute to ignorance.

I have a feeling I know what this was about.

I don't know.

No, I don't really know. Maybe good stuff. I don't know.

I have no idea. But just. Just a conversation. So anyways, that's the pod like and subscribe.