NATALIE JILL: How to Achieve Thriving Health in Midlife and Beyond

Today's guest is Natalie Jill, AKA Natalie Jill, Fit on social media. She's got over half a million followers on Instagram and growing and several million followers across platforms. She is wise. She is straightforward. She is my kind of lady. And we got to meet out in California through a mutual friend a couple months ago, and I was just blown away by her. First of all, I'll say in the beginning of the episode, she's 51 years old, and she looks 31 years old. So I just straight up asked her, I'm like, tell me, what do you think contributes to that? So that's right where we're kicking off. She puts so much content now for women, and, you know, men can get a lot out of it, too. But just as we start to age, what matters, you know, she's very open about going through Perry menopause, going through menopause as a woman, and what all that entails. And she just brings a lot of humor to it and just normalizes it, and I really appreciate that about her. So she's dropping wisdom on this podcast today, and she also does a lot of coaching with goals and business and things like that. So towards the end of the episode, we get more into how to actually make things happen in your life. And if there's somebody who knows how to make things happen, it's her. So make sure you also check out her podcast. It's called Midlife Conversations with Natalie Jill. I was just on her podcast, and that was so much fun. So check that one out if you feel like hearing me anymore. Or check out all of her amazing episodes. Would link her podcast and show and website in the show notes. So she has lots of offerings that you guys can check out from her. And we'll go ahead and dive in. Here is Natalie Jill. Okay, so if you guys are not watching on YouTube and you're listening on audio, I'm gonna have to manually explain to you that I am talking to this unbelievably gorgeous woman who looks like she's, like, in her 20s, but she's not. She is actually tells her age. She's 51, which is just freaking crazy, girl. Like, it's pretty crazy. And so we're gonna talk all about, like, being healthy as we get a little bit older. I'm 40 now, so I don't really think 51 is, like, old. You know how that goes.

But, yeah, I don't think 51's old either. But it's. It's just funny because, you know, we grow up thinking that that's so far away. Like you think 50, so far away. And then when you hit it, I had this, you know, it's like all of a sudden you picture like literally over the hill, like you're over the height, as if we all live to a hundred. Which who knows if we do or we don't. But it really, it does feel weird, that number. But what was so funny is just even how you just started this intro. So many times people will say to me, well, you don't look 51. And I'm. But I always think, what's it supposed to look like? Who decided what it's supposed to look like? Because to me this is what it looks like. This is who I am and this is what a lot of my friends look like. And so I don't know why we decided it had to look like the Golden Girls because that's, that's a long time ago.

Well, and yeah, exactly. I was like, you're, you know how people were saying like 40 is a new 30? You're like, 50 is a new 30.

Yeah, yeah. I just don't, I don't think, I don't think, like I think of. In fact, I have a friend who, I saw her ads on social media and she had these really like older gray haired women in an ad for a 50 plus thing. I screenshot and I sent it to her. I'm like, whose 50 year old is this? That looks like it's my grandma. What do you. I don't understand. And she's. That's what I get. You know, it was just funny. Like people are just not even aware of how they. We condition that this belief that 50 is so old.

Well, and I love the example that you're setting. I'm friends with Kathy Smith who was like kind of like a fitness icon back in the 80s and 90s. And like she's what I think she may be 70 now. And I'm looking at her like I was at the gym with her and she can kick my. But like she's going across rings, she's box jumping, she's doing toes to bar. And I'm like, okay, thanks for showing me that that's possible. And she talks about health span. And you're, you're one of those people, Natalie. Like you're like, hey, no.

It does. And I'll, I'll say this because I'm dating. I have been on dating apps and one thing that I have noticed is like as you get. Because I, you know, I got divorced in my early 30s. And now I'm 40. And so through this time period, I've noticed, like now that I'm kind of dating like older guys. I'm like, whoa, once you get out of your 30s, like, how you take care of yourself dramatically is your appearance. Like, I'm like, how is that guy 40 and that guy's 40? How are they both 40? There's no way, you know, and so can you talk on that about like, what you think has led to this?

Yeah. So I mean, obviously there's a lot of lifestyle things, but there's also a lot of mindset things and kind of differentiate. Like, for one, I don't, I don't drink, I don't smoke. I don't do, I don't do like a lot of. And I don't mean like, I never drink. Like, I'll have a glass of wine on occasion. It's just not a go. I don't need it, I don't want it. It's not like it doesn't really add any value to my life.

Right.

I also don't eat processed foods. I mean, and again, not a never, but just the majority of the time, like, I'm focused on eating unprocessed, natural, real food. It's not my lifestyle to go have fast food, drink, smoke, all the things. So that's so, so number one, that, that's huge. I mean, if you think about, if you focus on putting in what nature created into our body, I feel like that reflects on the outside. It just does. Now, however you define that, like to me, that's fruits, vegetables, lean proteins. Like, it's like I have, that's what it is. Healthy fats, lots of water. That's, that's one.

Okay, so let's, let's pause there for a second. So like the lesson is you're not taking in all these things that super oxidize you, that super age you really quick, and then you're taking in things that actually help your body recover, heal.

I'm doing actually the opposite. So actually it's funny, my second book is called Aging in Reverse. And I don't love the title right now for a number of reasons, and I'll explain that later. But my second book is in its doors everywhere. But I really talk about the power of fruits and vegetables. And in this world of like keto fascination and high fat diets, I think especially in menopause, like, we cannot overlook the powers that live in fruits and vegetables.

Like, I know, I agree there's so.

Many benefits and it makes Me nervous when people cut those completely out. I think there's rapid aging that happens. Yep. I really go.

We talk real quick. We talked about that on when you had me on your show and it's the same. It's like cool. Like in a very specific case, keto might serve a place for a time. But like the goal to me is like get. But like heal the stuff and get back onto as many nutrient dense things from nature as you possibly can. So I totally agree.

So most people that really look great in the second half of our life that really look great if you look at their diet, they have not been on long term carnivore keto. They just have not. They're. They're eating a heavy plant based. And I don't mean. When I say plant based, I don't mean vegan, only a plant based meaning I eat a lot of meat protein.

Right.

Animal protein. But I also have a heavy amount of vegetables and fruits. So.

And I will say I was at the grocery store yesterday and there was like an older Asian man in, in line in front of me and he looked so good, right? He looks so good. He was like healthy and he just looks so like beautiful. Like just you know, I could tell he was older but he looks so youthful. Only produce all he was buying.

Wasn't that wild? Yeah.

I have.

There's a whole other topic we can get into about maintaining muscle and I do believe we need animal protein for that personally. But I have an abundance of fruits and vegetables and I think that it's really dangerous to me when people are cutting those out. Like really cutting them out. If you don't care about aging rapidly then maybe. But yes, no question you cut out vegetables, you might get, you know, cut out all your carbs, you might get leaner temporarily but you're not going to do anything for youth, for looking younger.

Like the antioxidants, polyphenols. I'm a big fan too. So yeah, yeah.

So that's. So that's number one and number two, I'm going to say and this is just like a lifestyle thing, body's emotions stay in motion. So I'm, I'm active. And that doesn't. Active can mean different things to different people. But what the. The general term of active means you're not sitting on your butt all day.

So.

So if you're at a desk job and then you're sitting and then you're driving and then you're getting on the couch, you're not active. So active to me is Making it a priority in your schedule to move your body. Like, I have a jam day today. The first thing I do when I got up was like, I'm going for a hike, like, before anything, because I'm like, I need to be moving my body. I want to be in nature. I've got to be outside. I've got to be moving. I've got to be sweating. I've got to get my heart rate up like that. Staying in motion is very important. And. Yeah, go ahead.

I was going to say we both talked about how, like, you feel like that you have adhd. And I don't know if I do, but I definitely tend towards those qualities and have some really high genetic risk factors. And I'm pretty sure my brother is pretty sure my son is like, we. We don't diagnose it, but I'm like, it's. It's served me in a lot of ways because I literally can't. Like, I will definitely be moving after this interview because I just had another one before and it's like, no, dude, that's way too long in a freaking chair.

So, yeah, I thought about getting even one of those little walking pads for under my desk. I don't know. I don't know. Just. Just. I know it's slow. It's not like. But just to just stay in motion, you know, there. I talk about the pain cycle a lot. I'm somebody who's had a lot of injuries. I mean, as we age, we're going to have injuries.

I've.

I had for major injuries in the last few years, believe it or not. Like torn bicep, ruptured disc, all kinds of things. Oh, my gosh. And the tendency when you're injured. And I'm. I'm glad I walked through this because I get it now is to want to be stationary is to not want to move to go. It hurts to move. It hurts to go do this. So then we end up in a pain cycle where we don't want to move because we don't want to hurt. And now we're. So we're not helping our body heal, and now we're eating junk because that feels better for energy in the moment. So you end up in this whole pain cycle of not being active and eating junk. And it's just. It loops where the break. To break free of that, you have to move and be emotion. So I am not a fan of, like, you're injured and you're just going to be sedentary now. That's. And I don't know doctors that recommend that they might do that as a temporary while you're in a splint or cast or whatever.

Right.

You should be moving. You've got to find a way to move. So, to me, it's mission critical to keep my body moving. You saw my MRI and saw that I literally have no disc between L5S1 it ruptured out. I had emergency surgery to remove it. There's nothing there. There's no fusion, there's no disc replacement. Wow. I should be in so much pain. And let tell you, Tara, if I, if I did not work out and move, I would be in a lot of pain.

Oh, interesting.

But it's because I've stayed in motion and because I'm very clear to activate my core and my glutes and take my lower back out of the equation. I'm not in pain.

Wow, thanks for sharing that. That's so helpful for so many people. I, I, I, you know, I just had to tell a client the other day. She's like, wait, why do I have to work out six days a week? And I'm like, you're not working out six days a week. Those are walking recovery days, and I need you, I need you to do those. I need you to walk because it's going. Recover from your workouts. Because when we're walking, we're getting blood flow, we're getting lymphatic flow. Like, everything is starting to flow, and it actually helps you feel better.

Yeah. Thanks for joining. Another component of why walking for me. And now I do live in San Diego, so I'm going to. And I know people listening are like, well, I live in Minnesota or I live here.

Yeah.

But I will say I did choose to move here.

That's right. Chose.

I made that decision.

I feel very strong about being in nature for healing and for anti aging. And for. I say anti aging, but aging well. Well, I'll say that we need sun, we need to be grounded, we need to be near water, we need to be in our mountains, we need to be outside. There's a lot of healing and being in nature. So I think another thing that rapidly ages people is when you're in a building all day with artificial light, artificial air, all the things we're not working with our bodies there.

Yeah. I mean, just, even if you just imagine that you imagine yourself for 20 years being by the ocean and playing, or being in the mountains and being outside, or you imagine being in some office building that has no natural light and it's like you can just tell what's going to happen from an intuitive human sense what's going to happen to my body. Like, you know, you can almost feel it. It's almost like that side feels like. Yeah.

No, I think about many people getting up, you know, in the dark, getting in their car, getting on a train, getting on whatever, going to an office with no windows in, you know, fluorescent lights and artificial lights, then getting back in their car to go to work on a treadmill inside another building. Like, it's like, this is not. That's not how. That's not health. That's not. We've got to find time to be in nature. And if you, if you don't have that space now, you've got to find a way to create it. I really believe that. Like, I don't. And even. I'll tell you what, even if I did live in Minnesota and I. And I'm not going to, but if I did, I would be bundled up and getting outside somehow. Like, I just know I need to be in nature. I have to be outside every day.

I've got a friend who lives in Minnesota. She. They dig holes in the ice and do cold plunging and all sorts of stuff out there. My sister lives in Minnesota. She hikes. My sister hikes in Minnesota all the time, even when it's cold. Like, she. She makes little efforts like that. And I totally agree with you and I think I love what you're sharing because it's like, it's like basic common sense that we really need to be reminded of hard.

And I watch all this biohacking stuff of people buying all these things and I'm like, just get outside. Like, I love that stuff too. Like, I love red light.

Yes.

And I just can just get outside wisdom so much more benefit from that just little thing. And I want to get too deep into this. But even like, I'm very aware of not wearing sunglasses before noon. Like, I want to get in sunl. Like, so your body's, you know, regulating it's its own cortisol hormone, its own hormones, its own melatonin at night. Like all of that. So that's all really works with nature. But the thing that we didn't talk about yet that I want to share because this is actually more important than what we're eating, how we're moving and being out. Nature is our belief set. And this is so important because I attract women and men, mostly women that come to me in midlife and they say, I'm 40, I'm 50. I'm 60. And they give me all their diagnosis, all the things that your doctor said, all the reasons, and they say, but I'm this but. And then they'll say things like, is it. Am I just different? Is it too. Is it too late for me? Is it not possible for me? And what I want to share is that all those hurdles that people share, there's people that also have those hurdles that do look different and are having different results. And that's a result of mindset. If you believe something is possible, you can create it. If you believe it's not possible, you will never create it. It's just. It won't happen. If you believe you're doomed, your genetics, your family history, your diagnosis, what your doctor said, all that. If you believe that to a core, nothing is going to change for you.

So true, girl. I can. I can vouch for this, literally, because I read the Biology of Belief by Dr. Bruce Lipton, and I started using it with clients. I started guinea pig. I'm like, we're going to change. You're not ever going to say that you have that ever again. We're not. And so we're to get into the belief system of. My body is healing. My body's fine. It's just struggling in this. I'm just hearing it, struggling with that. We're like. Instead of being like, yeah, oh, it's because I have hypothyroidism and chronic Lyme and. Nope, we're just. We're gonna just not ever entertain that thought again. No. And when your body just says, oh, I need some rest, you're just gonna go with that in that moment. And when your body says, I don't like that food. Okay, cool, I'm just gonna go. But I'm not also gonna be like, I can't ever eat these things. Like, I have worked with belief systems so much, and it's works. Yes, it works. It works like. Like magic miracle level. I'm serious.

So if you don't believe, you'll never, ever, ever create it, you just won't. So. So you have to fake it till you make it. If you don't. If you're like, I really don't see how this is possible. And one thing that really drives me bonkers with doctors, like, I obviously, we need doctors. I love doctors. But so many times they're just. They're repeating their training and they're. They stop looking at people as a human, and they're just looking at it as a diagnosis. And this is the drug for it. And what they say, they don't realize how much power it has. When a doctor, it drives me nuts. When a doctor tells a midlife woman it's your age, you have to accept it. It's your home. You have to accept it. Like, what? Because then that's what they believe. Right? Right.

And, you know, I mean, I'm not trying to be just, I know there are a lot of wonderful doctors and they're doing their best and they mean well. But, like, when I see, I try to imagine that there's like, like 30 women a week coming in and I'm diagnosing them with hypothyroidism. And I'm not ever, like, that's it. I'm not ever asking why. I'm not ever, like, probing deep. And I understand they have time restraints with all that, you know, with insurance, and it's like, it's a mess, you know, but it's like, we're not, when we get a label and diagnosis like that, we stop being curious. We stop looking at, like, what's actually going on. So I, you know, it's like, okay, instead of, I have hypothyroidism, it's like, oh, hey, my thyroid seems like it's struggling a little bit. What do you need thyroid? And, like, just looking at it that way instead of this, like, I have this chronic disease, you know?

So I, I, I think it's amusing about this whole. Let me just, I'm giving you a couple examples here. So I'm, I have an autoimmune. I've had it for years. Okay, 20 years.

Perfect.

Yeah, let's go on that. My autoimmune is a mild one. It's, it's celiac. So it can be mild or it doesn't have to be mild, depending on how you take care of it. So, but all autoimmunes are connected. So if you don't take care of one autoimmune, you can likely get another one. So autoimmune runs in my family. My sister's type 1 diabetic. My aunt had rheumatoid arthritis. I have, I have celiac. They're all connected. So if you basically have an autoimmune and you don't take care of one, you can easily get another. But I'm bringing this up for a reason. I get a message at least once a week through our website of somebody, like, acting like they're going to die. I can't believe I have celiac. Like, my life is over. Like, what am I going to do? And I look at it like, like, what an interesting lens that they're looking at that through. Like, that never occurred to me when I got diagnosed with celiac that my life was over or that I wouldn't be able to have a normal life. Like, what occurred to me when I found out I had celiac was, oh, now I understand what's happening to my body and why I feel this way. Great. I just need to be more committed to unprocessed food. I'm not going to have gluten, obviously, I'm not going to have processed food. All my symptoms are gone. I feel amazing. Like, it was such a different lens. Right.

Solution. Yeah.

One example. And I got like. So it's just to me, I'm always thinking, like, why do people go to doomsday? Same thing. It happens a lot. I mean, and I cannot speak for this because I don't. This has not been my world. But I will. I do have a lot of friends that have navigated breast cancer or cancer. And I just watched the difference on how people navigate things. Like how one person will say their life is over where the other is. Like diving full in, changing their lifestyle, changing their habits, teaching on it now, like jumping in, like, it's just right. And granted, like, there's some things we cannot control there. I understand that. But like, look at the quality of life when they're embracing the possibility versus the doomsday.

Yeah, yeah. And that goes with all health habits too. Right. And it's just in general, and I kind of going back to what you were saying about like, I like when you had your little moment where you're like, I also chose to live in San Diego so I could be like, I made that happen for myself, you know, And I'm more familiar with like your story. It's like, no. You just made that happen. It wasn't like, no.

Handed to you.

No.

I didn't know anybody out here when I moved here. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm definitely a tough love coach. I can't say everyone loves me. I broke the people pleasing habit a long time ago.

But that's what I love about you. It's real. You're like straight talker.

I really, I really work with people on what do you believe and what do you want? Because if you're committed to living in circumstance and committed to being right about that, there's no coach that can help you.

You.

There just isn't. Because if you like, if you. They Go to you, Tara. And they say, I want to, like, I want to have arms like you. I want to do this. But they're committed to the reason they can't and they're going to try to enroll you in that and tell you all the reasons why. Like they're never going to change if they're. Are they more committed to being comfortable and being right or more committed to the possibility? So to me, with everything, with anything, we have nothing to lose by looking at the possibility. If we get stuck on the circumstance and the problem, then our life. What's going to change?

Yeah, exactly. And yeah, I've, I have had clients like that. I'll be real. And it's, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work because I got to meet them where they're at and, and do my best to ask them excellent questions to get them to shift. But like, it's not guaranteed. And I'm, you know, it's, I'm also not. It gets to a certain point where I'm like, okay, if you don't, if you don't want to do it, you know, and so it is, it's a personal choice and believe. And that's where I kind of wanted to get in with you. Next is like in terms of helping shift in their mindsets because you do all of these like, programs, all these co. All this coaching stuff. Like, what have you found to be like the belief system barriers that block people the most?

Yeah. And they're very legit. Usually. Honestly, it starts in childhood with what your parents said, what you watch, what you modeled. Those become ingrained beliefs. So we have to first recognize that that's, that's going on and, and that that's, that applies with not just our bodies, it applies with money mindset, it applies with taking risk. It applies with everything. So you have to, number one, know where it comes from and be kinder to yourself and realize, okay, this is, this is something that's deep rooted. This came from here. But then it's. Honestly, it's just. The next level is a decision. It's just making a decision. Do you want something different? Do you want different? I know with your background, like you come from, for example, a very strong religious background, a very strong one. Like you had a strong mindset around that you had to make a decision that you wanted something else. Like that's, that's like a whole. I came from my own set of things. I had to make a decision. I'll tell you, money was a Heavy one. In my, in my family, what I was told and what I believed, I had to really work on that. And body health, I really had to navigate that. So it's being aware, number one, and then ultimately making a new decision. Like, what is it you actually want to create? And then I have a method that I say is decide, vision, action. It's three steps, steps. So make a decision. Vision is then getting really clear on what do you want and why, not the how, but what do you want and why? Like, why do you want to be healthy? Why do you want to. Yeah, what is that? Going really deep on that, getting really clear. I spent a lot of time with clients on that, on that aspect and even in my business, coaching clients. And then only after you're fully in decision and in your vision can we work on actions. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, and you know this from weight loss and training and you can, you can give somebody the best workout and nutrition plan in the world. If they haven't decided and they're not clear on their vision, it's not going to happen. We'll never take the action.

I, I won't give those clients their training program until I feel like they're ready. I'm like, it doesn't matter. I could, yeah, dude, I could have given that to you like three weeks ago. It's all it's going to do is make you feel more like a loser. I know you're not going to do it. We got to get to some way deeper stuff first, you know, So I totally feel you and I love what you said about awareness because I'm like, you know, I grew up poor. I'll just be real single mom, five kids, you know, and, and I love what you're talking about, the awareness that kind of has to come before this decision, right? Because you got to become aware that how you actually are looking at stuff. And a lot of people don't want to do that. It's hard to accept. It's like, actually, yeah, I do have a belief system that I'm like always going to be fat or that I'm always, I'm never going to make money. Like, that awareness piece is so big. I bet a lot of yours comes through in nature walking time.

It's actually funny. That's when I get my biggest awareness. Awarenesses is when I'm moving outside. That's why I never understand when people don't want to be outside. I'm like, I get everything from being outside. Like, I, I have to like, it's it's funny. I tore my. I torture myself with. Do I bring my phone or not bring my phone when I'm walking? Because if I, if I don't bring it, I get all these ideas and I have no place to put them, you know, And I'm like worried I'm gonna distracts my.

Right.

But if I bring my phone and then I could get distracted putting the ideas down. So I have this like battle with myself. I'm like, what do I do? What do I do?

Feel that?

Um, but it's. Yeah. I get most of my ideas when I'm in, when my body's emotion, when I'm outside. And that's when I get my most clarity and my. Make the most connections to the past. Also from listening. I'm a huge student. I, I probably. I read three books a week or I say listen to on Audible.

Wow. Three a week.

At least three a week. I'm. I mean, I, It's. I. As soon as I wake up in the morning, that's what I'm listening to. Getting ready. I'm listening to it when I'm driving, I'm listening to it when I'm walking. I'm like, I'm constant. Before I go to bed, I'm. That is my. I'm a huge student, so I'm always listening. So as I'm listening and learning, I'll have little breakthroughs or connections and I'll make sure to write them down and explore them.

You know, what's interesting is I'm in a mastermind with a put on by a guy named Scott Duffy. And Scott was the interviewer for Entrepreneur magazine. So he's interviewed everybody, like all the huge, huge names, you know, all the big guys. And he's like, you know, he's like. I started. He, He's a very curious mind. He started asking, he asking like, what do you contribute your success to? And he's like the most common answer that got was, I'm an eternal student. I'm always, oh, wow.

Yeah, right.

So no surprise, you know, like, you've been able to build something really significant out of nothing. You've been able to reach a lot of people. And it makes sense because you're doing your awareness practice, you're tapping in, you're staying healthy, you're taking care of yourself, you're learning. And then actually let's get into. You're applying and. Because. Let's talk about this for a second. Okay. Because it's like, okay, I decided I want to get healthier I decided I want to get up early or I just, you know.

Yeah.

And. And it's like, okay, I know why I'm doing this. It's like, so I can. More energy and blah, blah, blah, and all these things. And then the action part. Okay, so what do you think? It. What do you think is the difference? Because you're definitely an action taker.

I think we were at dinner and.

You were just like, oh, really? That's a good idea. Let's do that right now. Like, you're definitely good at the applying thing.

Yes.

And sometimes it's hard to identify why we're good at the things we're good at. But what have you noticed, if you could share some insights on, like, the people who don't take action, the difference between you and them.

Yeah. Such a. So I. Actually, one of my programs that I have is. Is a goal achievement program, like, how to achieve. Achieve any goal in 12 weeks. And it's so wild to me watching people come through that program because. So there's a method to achieving any goal and to taking action. Like, there's a. There's literally a method, like, if you. You can just follow a checklist and make things happen. So it's not the how that stops people. They think it's the how. People say, I don't know how, or I don't have time for the how. Like, but that's not what's stopping them. What always stops people from action is they're living in circumstance, not possibility. Always. Because when you get laser clear, like, so passionately clear on what you want, and you connect the why to it, like you're laser clear on that vision, it will speed you into action like nothing else. And if you don't believe me, just do this little exercise right now. If you're not an action taker, I want you to think of, like, a celebrity or somebody that you, like, really admire or look up to, like, whoever that is. Like, to me, it'd be like Oprah, I love. Yeah. If they were to call you and say, listen, I've cleared my schedule tomorrow, I'm going to be near you, and I want to spend the day with you. Like, just you and me. How fast would you clear your schedule for tomorrow? Right. Like, every single one of you would say you would do it. And if you. If you say you didn't, then you're not thinking of a big enough person that you would be excited. Yeah. Right. Same thing with, like, take it the opposite way. If something happened to one of your Children or your spouse and it was urgent and you had to get over to the hospital or whatever, how fast would you make that happen? Would it be a priority? And it would be instant.

Yeah. And so.

So taking action is actually not the problem. The how is not the problem. The problem is you are not clear on why you want, what you think you want to go for.

Right.

Because once you get super clear on that, nothing will stop you in your action steps. Nothing.

And stop. To add to that. Stop. Stop running your vision and your goal by people that haven't done it. Like, why they just gonna talk you right out of it.

Exactly. And when you talk to people who have done it, because I've been in both worlds and I'm sure you have too, it's crazy. It's like, so if you're talking to somebody, you have a big goal and they haven't ever done anything like that. They're gonna just entertain all these, like, doubtful things. And then when you talk to somebody who's done stuff like that, that you sound like them now. You sound like the. It's like they're like, oh, yeah. Like, why wouldn't it. It's like, it's like, why? Yeah, you just will, like, you know, the energy is like, it's so easy. Like, why are you even making this a thing? You know? So. Totally agree. So, okay, so the, the. The environment of who you're entertaining and then getting very, very clear. So let's say. Okay, let's say this. Let's say somebody wants to build a business like yours. Okay. And their why is like, they just feel this soul calling from like the divine. And like, they have to share this message and they're really passionate about it and they have that. And then they still feel that, like, paralysis moment of like. And what do I actually do? What. How do you help people with that?

Well, then there's. There's obviously there's steps. I could walk people through a step on how to do something. However, the clarity comes with the vision. That's. I can't say it enough because I.

First of all, just.

Let me just show, like, to make this so crazy simple. Do you think that people can find answers to anything in this world of information overload?

100 million percent? Yeah.

Like, you could go to Google for pretty much anything and everything. Honestly, like, anything and everything you could go to Google for. So information is not the problem. Yeah, the problem. You think the problem is time or information. That's not the problem. The problem is your clarity of what you want Want.

Yeah.

I can't say it enough.

Like, yeah, I agree.

Even, okay, take your workout people. You're somebody that really wants to get fit and they're just not taking action. All of a sudden they're going to be on the COVID of a magazine in 12 weeks and they're getting paid a million dollars to do it. I'm just making this up. Like that would be a big enough clarity of vision.

Yeah.

You mean to tell me you wouldn't get it together for a million dollars to be on the COVID Like, I'm just saying.

Yeah. And if there's resistance there, I found that there is some sort of lack of clarity on what they actually want.

That's right.

Yeah. There's confusion. There's confusion on that. Like for me, I always say people are like, how are you so disciplined with the gym? And I'm like, I'm not disciplined. I like want to because I get so much out of it.

Like, you know, and I'll say like, I love working out and going to the gym and moving my body and challenging, but am I always like ripped 24 7? No. But I'll tell you what, like, if I have a project coming up where I like, I'm. Because I'm leading a lot of my live fat loss programs, they're all evergreen and like, meaning that people can do them at any time versus me teaching them. I'm not really creating new content there, but I'm, I'm going to be filming like a final thing, a project that I'm doing in a few weeks. And I can tell you my workouts have gone up a whole notch. Knowing that that's coming because I'm clear on what that's for. So that happens to everybody all the time, depending on what's urgent. I had an interesting marker on my blood work that I didn't like and my doctor's initial answer was a prescription. I didn't like it. So I got into action real quick on changing some things because I don't want to be on the prescription. So I'm saying when you're clear on your vision, it's easy to take actions.

It's so true. It's so true. Also, what about, you know, you talked about like your no nonsense kind of straight talking personality. One thing that I've noticed, like my ex husband's grandma is an ex super example to me. Like, I'm like, wow, because she's in her 90s, but she seems like she's like in her 60s. Like she's so with it. She is so young and youthful and, like, it's so cool. And I. When I think of her, I'm like, you know, what I notice is she just doesn't sweat stuff that doesn't matter. Like, she doesn't take everything so seriously. And can you speak on that? Have you noticed that with you and your friends are still, like, youthful, being able to, like, let go of things that don't matter and focus on the things that do have.

So I've. That's been. I don't think I've mastered that yet fully.

All right, so that's not a true principle.

But I will say that I've. I've gotten a lot better at it. I've. In fact, I have a tattoo on my arm that says surrender. Because I realize that we can't control.

Like. Yeah.

Just to remind me to surrender and not. So I would say, if anything, I've just learned. I've been. I'm very clear that we can't control anything. I bet you're anything.

I bet you're better at it than you think you are.

I might be. I mean, I will say this. I will say this. I'm never too busy. I don't jam my schedule. Like, I jam it enough for. But I'm never. There's never. You'll never hear me say, I don't have time. Like, it doesn't even. I create time for what I want. I will say, like, I was meeting with my COO recently, and she said, you know, what do you want different in your schedule? Like, are you happy with your schedule? And I'm like, you know what? I actually am. Like, I feel at peace that I could say yes to whatever I really want to. I feel at peace that I could travel if I wanted to. I feel at peace that I can go with the flow, that nothing feels urgent anymore. So I guess in a way that I do have that.

Well, you know, I kind of neurotyped you based off just hanging out with you with my neurotyping thing. And I really feel like you're 1B and, like, the. The word that. One of the main words I think of them is they're really efficient. And that's why I'm like, you're probably better at it than you think you are because you're letting go of all this stuff that doesn't matter, so you can focus on the stuff that does. And I can totally see that in your.

Well, and I will say, just even when you said you read three books a week, Like, I don't. People are saying, like, I don't have time. Thinking, like, how do you not have time? Like, I. Every time I'm driving, I'm listening.

Right.

Every time I'm walking, like, I like. To me, it's like, how do you.

Welcome to a dopamine dominant person? Like, it is true. You're. It's fast. Like, I have this, like, joke with my assistant who's a 1, B2. I'm like, how are you so fast? Like, I barely finished saying the words and you're like, I did it already. It's a gift. It's a gift to. Welcome to dopamine dominance. You know, and not everyone will understand that about you, you know, like, but you are kind of just moving at a faster speed than a lot of people.

Yeah.

And that's not going to feel as stressful to you as somebody else who doesn't have that. They're gonna. That's gonna look stressful to them.

Yeah.

Because they don't have that dopamine that you do. But with you having that, it's like, this isn't stressful at all. This is just normal speed. For me, it would feel stressful for.

Me not to do it. To say, like, I'll do it next week would be stressful, but 100%, it's on my plate. You're done now.

Yeah. And that's. That's one of the things I love about the neurotyping thing is like, when you have that self understanding and people are like, you should slow down, Natalie. It's like, no, actually I'm good, but I know you don't get it.

Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much. Okay, so in terms of what you have coming for people, by the way, if you guys don't follow Natalie Jill on. On Instagram and Tick Tock and where else?

Where's the things?

All the places, everywhere.

I'm not a Joel Fit on all the places on all the social media. Instagram and TikTok are probably my most and Facebook are where I probably live the most. And then, yeah, you can find me@nataliejill.com. i also have a podcast that Tara's been on on. It's called Midlife Conversations.

Yes.

Yeah, you can find me at all that.

I know a lot of people will be excited. Check out her podcast. You're such a great interviewer and I really appreciate what you're doing for women as they age because it's so needed. So. And your content is so funny too. I'm loving your daughter is on there more now. And it's just been so fun to watch. So thank you so much. We will link that all up in the show notes. And yeah, just appreciate you taking the time.

Thanks, Tara.