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In this interview, Dr. Pardis Mahdavi (Speaker A) argues that American higher education is at a tipping point, citing a historic drop in student retention—43 million Americans have started college only to drop out—and warning that a generation less educated than its parents poses a grave national‑security and democratic threat. She critiques the current system’s focus on conformity, urging a shift toward an educational model built on expansion, exploration, and authentic self‑discovery. Drawing on her personal story as an Iranian‑American who fled the 1978 Islamic Revolution, she highlights intergenerational trauma, resistance, and the fight for women’s freedom, even recounting a harrowing experience in a Dubai shipping container with trafficked women. Throughout, she weaves her extensive academic leadership experience (dean, provost, president) and authorship of ten books to underscore the urgency of reform.

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