Episode 368: Helping kids manage big feelings.

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The Winey Palooza! Have some wine and join us on the Winey Palooza Podcast with Rebecca Greene. Welcome to the Winey Palooza Podcast. I'm your host, Rebecca Greene. I'm a wife, mother of 3, and licensed clinical social worker. I also have 3 fur babies at home too. My passion has always been to help children and their families. I always dreamed of being a wife and a mother. Parents are always learning through their struggles, failures, and successes and joys. I am no stranger to this wild ride of parenting, and I know behind every great parent lies a team of supportive friends and family. I want to be part of your support system. I want you to know that you are not alone. We are in this parenting world together. Join me every week for insightful discussions with experts on parenting and marriage, as well as other other parents who have found the secret to successes in parenthood. You'll learn tips and tricks to make life with your family better than ever. I hope you will follow along with me while we dive into what it takes to achieve a happy family. Hello everyone, this is Rebecca Greene for the Whiny Pluza Podcast, and I am very excited today because I get to talk to the wonderful Tricia Thort— Thornton. Tricia, thank you so much for doing this with me today.

Absolutely.

I feel like your last name is a little tongue twister for me. I've been practicing it. It's okay. No problem. So I wanna tell you a little bit about Tricia. She is a licensed professional counselor, a registered play therapist, and author based in Nashville, Tennessee. I've never been to Nashville.

Yeah.

She operates Tricia Thornton Therapy, specializing in supporting children and parents in managing big emotions. Tricia holds a BS in Human and Organizational Development from Vanderbilt University and an MA in Counseling from Denver Seminary. Her book, Blessing from Fear, offers transformative insights into understanding and utilizing fear positively. I cannot wait to ask her about that. Tricia's extensive background includes roles as a certified school counselor and work in both public and private schools before establishing her private practice. She's originally from Atlanta, and she enjoys exploring Nashville with her family and their white German Shepherd. Well, Tricia, I have so many questions, first of which, totally off topic, but what brought you to Nashville?

Yes, well, Vanderbilt brought me to Nashville straight from Atlanta. So I went to college at Vanderbilt. Loved Nashville, loved my experience there, and then went away to graduate school. And really, a job with a clinic opened up right after graduate school, so I went right back here to Nashville and haven't looked back.

So that's awesome.

Really good at home.

I've never been there, but I, I will one day because I'm fascinated by it.

Yeah, it's really fun.

So I would love to learn what inspired you to go into counseling.

Probably I would say my mom's, um, career as a therapist. She is, uh, near retirement now and, but has worked for years and years as a private therapist. And I think that probably influenced me originally. Really, I had just always kind of been drawn to that helping field, so I— it was just very natural for me to get in. It was pretty clear as I went through the years of being a school counselor and in a private practice before that, that children were my draw. My practice, I do see all ages including adults, but my specialty with the play therapy piece is with children.

Well, and can you tell everyone exactly what play therapy is and why it's effective? Because I feel like people don't know.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, it's kind of a myth as far as like, what exactly is just, is play therapy? And I usually say that it's a way for a child to explore their inner world through their natural language of play. And so when a child comes in, they can say, "I'm sad," or "I'm mad," or "I'm confused," depending on their age, but really that doesn't connect until they're starting the play. And so through a puppet show or through sand tray work or through more of a directive play with doing some expressive arts therapy or in my dollhouse, they'll play out those big feelings. So it creates a safe place for them to explore those big feelings. And really about, I don't know, 90%, I think most play therapists will say that the relationship is the key piece because I'm creating a safe place for them and mimicking and demonstrating that safe place for them to come and explore and share. I often say, even to littles, I often say, you know, you can say anything in here. This is a safe place.

Oh, I love that.

Tell or show any behavior. And sometimes I have meltdowns, and sometimes I have, you know, children who don't really feel comfortable right away. Sometimes mom or dad or whoever brings them will come in there with them for just a little bit, and then Within a few minutes, they're really fun, having fun and playing, and the caregiver will exit out and, and wait in the waiting room. So that's a little taste of it.

You feel like knowing that they're safe is like, what is most effective in helping kids with their big feelings with you?

Yes, I mean, definitely that safety piece and for them to feel seen and heard. So I often say that children have to have two buckets filled, and well, everyone does. And number one is that they're feeling seen and heard and then feeling empowered in their second bucket. And so being able to know that if they want to show me their anger, it is okay. And then I help them figure out a way to show that anger in a healthy way.

So as I told you, it's mostly moms who are listening, and there's grandmas and dads and every, you know, I'm not just singling out mothers, but so as mothers, we want to help our kids feel seen and heard, and we want to empower our kids. So can you give us as moms some tools at home to do that?

Yes, I'm gonna turn this a little bit of a different way and say that First, moms have to go look inward. If, if moms, like I have done before, and we all do this at times, where we just put our needs over here on the shelf and then dive into our children, uh, I often— I'll tell you more at the end about how to find me, but on Tuesdays and Thursdays I post videos on my Instagram And I just recorded yesterday a video about how— what will happen when we dive in, as in particular moms dive into giving and giving and giving to our children, and then we wind up exhausted and angry. And those are the two telltale signs for me that something's amiss. And so first I would say explore what's your trigger, what's— what are the things that are surfacing up for me from my own childhood that are causing me big feelings when my child is having a big feeling. A, a great tool that I use often is I will call it a, a mommy timeout, grandparent timeout, parent, whatever, whoever the caregiver is timeout. If the child is old enough and in a safe emotional place, they're not going to hurt themselves or hurt another or hurt something physical in the house. It is okay for a mom or a dad or whoever to look at the child and say, I need a few minutes to go in my room or in my bathroom or in the car, wherever you can get the pantry, a few minutes. And I'm talking a minute or two. Sometimes that's all we need. Ground yourself as a parent and then come back. That is a beautiful model because it's all about modeling. So if you feel as a mom that the energy in the home is really heightened they're— the children are going to co-regulate off of that energy. And so what I mean by that is it's like a mirroring effect. And so if mom is stressed, kids will be showing that same amount of stress, or they will show the stress maybe in a different way. It may not look like your stress. It might be angry or withdraw or hyperfocus, perfectionism, but it will come out in some way. I often give tools that have to do with mindfulness. So using your 5 senses, teaching your child how you ground yourself in healthy ways, and if you don't ground yourself in healthy ways, explain Explore that.

Yeah.

And then how can you model that to your child? Uh, another tool that I often tell families is to— and I don't call it timeout because timeout is— can be a negative. That's what you use for discipline. So I call it alone time, downtime. I call it me time, whatever you want to couch it as, but everybody in the house goes to their own corner of the room or own room somewhere. And I, I do it depending on age, anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes. If pot— if you have a surround sound thing where you can have like an Alexa type thing, have a timer go off when the 20 minutes or 10 minutes is over. And then everybody comes back together. It's going to teach your child self-regulation. And the key though is moms have to put down their phones, and that's really hard for us. They— we are more on our phones more than the children. And then we also have to have no technology for our kids during that time. So you're going to have to provide and help guide them, say, okay, these are some activities you can do. Um, name 3 things, and they get to choose the one that they want to do during their 10 to 20 minutes alone. And that, to me, has been a real life-changing, I guess, event, or something in their homes that really shifts the energy. It just kind of brings the energy down instead of always chaotic and up.

Such good advice. All of it. I'm taking notes. So I wanna, I wanna respond with a couple of things because what I'm realizing about myself as I'm listening to you is that I tend to need a mommy timeout at 9:00 PM and I have older kids, so they're up at 9:00 PM. So I think I need to communicate to my family that at 9:00 PM they need to give me a timeout. 100%.

I love that boundary. And I have a 17 and 20-year-old. And I will say most evenings, and part of me is so thankful. I mean, I am so incredibly thankful that my children want to come and sit on my bed and talk with me at 10 o'clock at night. But Mom, me, is way done. And I'm impressed that you can go till 9. I'm like done at 8. And so, and so, you know, it's like 2 and a half hours past I'm done.

Yes.

When my kids want to bond with me. And so I have learned to say, hey, I, you know, Mama's tired. I can give you about 10 minutes and then let's shelf this and revisit it tomorrow when I'm a little bit more awake and I can have a little bit more of a good conversation with you. And sometimes they're respectful of that and sometimes they have an emotion about it. But over time they have learned to respect, oop, mama's done, she's got to go to bed.

It just cracks me up that at 10 o'clock at night they want to come sit on our beds and talk to us.

It's the way their brains are wired that way. And I don't know how or why it has to work that we are in our— well, I'm in my 50s with teenagers and I am way past staying up till 10 or 10:30.

Oh my goodness. Well, my, my oldest is 17 and when he was a baby 10 o'clock at night, he was not ready for bed and I was. And now as a teenager, we're doing the same dynamic. So it's funny listening to you. But the other thing I wanted to share with the whole regulating yourself is I was so frustrated with my youngest behavior. And I was, you know, I'm a therapist and I was totally blaming her. I was so mad at her. And I realized that I was mirroring exactly like we were going back and forth. And I realized I had to focus on my own behavior to influence hers. And I should— obviously I should have known better. But when you're in it, I did not see it at all. And working on myself and grounding myself when she's escalating has totally changed the whole dynamic.

100%. I love that. And I will tell you, when anybody— and I'm just going to speak to parents right now— when parents feel out of control, that could be based on a trigger from their child, it could be based on something completely not related to your children, which most of the time it is. Yeah, most of the time you've been— had a hard email come your way, or you've had a hard day at work, or a friend has thrown something up on you that has just really dysregulated your brain for the day, whatever it is, it could be a family emergency, whatever it is, our brains do all it— that's what they naturally do. It's a gift in many ways. It saves our lives. However, a lot of times our brain will do all it can to go back to homeostasis. And so we are trying desperately to get back in control. And so what happens is we blame shift, we manipulate, we might be overprotective. So kind of that helicopter type parenting. Um, or we get dismissive where we, we just can't engage. It's too much. So we back up. And so I feel it kind of— speaking of country music, being from Nashville, I think of Garth Brooks' song The Dance, and I think of just that back and forth movement between a relationship. And that could be a partner, but it can also be a parent-child relationship where we just throw our stuff onto that child. Parents are parents, and there is no perfect parent.

No, oh my gosh, and I, and I tell everyone that the fact that they even care to listen to this and try to do better makes them such amazing parents.

I just, I say that about every day in my office. So a big piece of what I do is work with parents And in fact, that's probably shifting almost to be as equal or even more than me working with their child. Ideally, I don't want their child in therapy. I want their child to be healthy and not have to come in here. So I am doing all I can to teach the top of the system so then they can filter those healthy ways down.

Yes.

And then maybe their child won't have to come as many times or even at all. Even though I am a therapist, I'm very pro-therapy, but I ideally want the parents to be the ones to be guiding. And so what I often tell them is if I knew everything I knew now when my children were younger, it would've been great, but I didn't. And so now I'm teaching others. And I always say, stop beating yourself up as a mama. You know, and a lot of tears come down, and a lot of dads' tears come down. And I often say, if your child ends up in this office, it is okay. That does not mean you have failed. It, it does not mean you have failed if your teacher calls and says, Johnny kicked Susie. It is okay. We will figure it out together.

Well, yeah, and, and we're not—

we just get a lot of negative feedback as moms.

We're not perfect. Our kids aren't perfect. I tell my kids all the time, I screw up, you're gonna screw up. It's part of the experience.

And that's a beautiful model for them to hear. I will never forget the first time that my daughters, uh, we have a really small house and I, I can picture it now. I was in the hallway and just lost it. My— I— whatever was happening in my own little body and in my own world, I just boohooed. And the kids came out and they were like, what is wrong with Mom? So I— to be able to tell them, this has nothing to do with you, Mom's just having a hard time and I'm trying to figure out how to balance within me. And they were little when I explain that, but I, I think it opened up a world in my home of safety, that it was okay for them to show big emotions. Now, in a way, that could be difficult because they felt free to show big emotions, and those big emotions are really big, and they do happen a lot at night.

We want, we want that. It's not easy for us, but we want that.

Absolutely.

So I want to talk about your book because I am so fascinated. So the title is Blessing from Fear, and you, I think you teach people understanding our fears and growing from our fears and the positive from our fears. Does that sound accurate?

100%.

So can you talk to us about your book and what we can learn from our fears? Because I love this topic so much. Yes.

So something that I haven't talked about as much from the book that I'll pick on today is this idea of our false selves. And so a lot of times, in order to manage our big feelings within us as individuals, whether you're a parent, teacher, grandparent, business person, whatever it is, single, married, whatever, we will develop some type of almost like false identities, not necessarily big multiple personalities, but we will develop a way to manage these big feelings. And so I go through those and name them throughout my life, and I also throughout the book go through the developmental stages for children I use Erik Erikson. You know him as a, as a therapist, um, Psychology 101 back in college days.

Yes, yes.

And I go through all of his psychosocial stages, and then I also go through the faith development stages. So there's a big spiritual piece to the book as well. And what I'm doing then is throughout it, I'm giving parent examples and parent directions for parents. I even give scripts of here when your child says or does this, this could be an option to say this and do this. A lot of the book is teaching giving affirming language to your children, and what I mean by that is acknowledge the feeling, just simply acknowledge it even when the meltdown is occurring. And they're screaming and kicking and hitting you, you can say in the moment, even though the elevated energy, you can say, whoa, I really see and hear you are really mad. And that will just immediately let the child feel like, oh, they get me, they get me, they get me. It won't bring it down 100% right away, But over time, they will begin to realize, oh, I'm not so alone in this situation. Uh, so throughout the book, I use my stories as examples.

Makes so much sense. I mean, where were you when my kids were little? That's what I'm— I was going through it too.

That's where I was.

I know. Well, so, you know, we all have I would say big fears. I mean, I talk to women about their fears all the time. I know that one of my fears that I've been talking to my friends about is, you know, we're starting to let go more and let them do more, and it's scary. So, you know, you try not to be a helicopter mom, but, you know, it can be scary to ease off and let them explore. And, you know, there's lots of fears. We all have lots of fears. So how can we learn from our fears and, and bring positives out of our fears?

Absolutely. So one of the key pieces is to name them. Have to just name them. It will minimize the power that that big feeling has over you. Fear I, I believe is the root of a lot of those big feelings. So you have the fear, then out comes the anger, the anxiety, the confusion, the feeling of wanting to control. And it kind of goes back to what I said before, when I was little at 6 and a half and two traumatic events occurred that ignited the fear to then take hold within my life that I talk about in my book. I open with these events.

They—

that right then set up a place in my brain where I constantly was trying to balance and go back in control because I felt like everything was out of control. So that strung— that string was throughout my whole life. And so one of the key factors is just to simply begin to name. I feel blank. And without judgment, without any self-criticism, inner critic screaming at you, it is okay to feel any feeling we feel. It's just what are we going to do with them? And that's kind of my motto in my office. And in my life. Not easy.

So I'm just thinking about all of the examples that people have given me. So you name your fear and you identify it, and that helps. And then what can someone do with that?

Yes. So what's next is then another piece to this is to figure out, okay, what are the truths and what are the lies? So I name, I feel overwhelmed. I would say that's a big feeling that a lot of parents feel, uh, whatever the situation. Don't worry about what the situation is. The feeling is I feel overwhelmed. So then you can then explore, okay, what is the truth in this situation and the lie? The truth is Yes, these circumstances around me are overwhelming, but I'm going to choose to do this action today for this little moment in time to begin to settle my nervous system, to allow me to feel more settled within me. So I am going to do the 5 senses activity. I am going to deep breathe, do yoga. Journal, get out and touch a tree and be in nature. And I'm talking within— this could be 3 minutes. It doesn't have to be like you have to take a whole mommy day. Right. Nobody has a whole mommy day. Um, that's not reality. The reality is moment by moment, we're trying to ground ourselves as parents because it's a constant tug of war of us, like you said, letting go. Not trying to helicopter, uh, trying to be present. It's all those big buzzwords and it's, it's exhausting.

I, I should count how many times I reset myself all day.

Absolutely.

We would.

It's a lot.

It's right. Cuz we're constantly needing to reground for sure. I identify with that statement that you said so much. Mm-hmm. Yes. You understand motherhood. You're living it.

Yes, I'm living it, and then I'm being a therapist to children.

You're doing both. You're doing both. So you were in the school system and you moved to private practice. So how has that impacted your work from what you could do in the school to moving? Like, how has it changed for you?

I think it shapes my practice to be maybe a little unique. Because when I approach a situation where I have a, a child who's acting— let's say, and I hear this often, I hear, okay, my child is only acting up at home and not at school. So a lot of times what I'll do is I'll say, hey, let you know, give me permission if you, if you, if you feel comfortable with this, let me contact the teacher Let me hear from the teacher. What are they doing then? Because something is working in the school. And so let's be a part, let's have a partnership here. And so I come at it because I was not only as a school counselor, but I was on the administration side and working with admissions and heads of schools and principals. So I really kind of get the school system. I also get that a teacher— I never want ever a teacher or a school counselor to think that I'm coming in and telling them how to run their classroom. I am partnering. And so, and then the other situation is the school has now contacted the parents and the child is acting up in both places, uh, and then I often will go if they're local, if the school is which is most of them I serve are right within a few miles of my office. I'll even go to the school and be in the meetings, be in the S-team meetings and the IEP, the 504 meetings, or be in the parent-teacher conference and say, hey, okay, what can we do here? Let's come up with the same language that we're gonna use at home and school. So I'm almost like a liaison kind of working with both parties.

Well, and I love that you have that experience. It probably makes your counseling so much more effective. I mean, that's wonderful.

I, I do, and I loved my school experience. I did. Yeah, I mean, I was ready to get out, but I loved and, and cherished the time I had in the schools.

That's awesome. Well, and I find, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, but if a child is behaving at school and they're acting out at home, I am sure there's pointers from the teachers, but I find our kids feel so much safer with us to kind of let loose. I mean, my kid, honestly, my child will let loose and I'm like, you wouldn't do that at school.

No. Oh no. They go in the school and they're like angels, and then they come home and you're like, what the heck just happened? Who— where'd you go? Um, I love this little tidbit that I like to often tell parents. Especially really of all ages, but especially that middle school age or late elementary age, I will give permission to the parent to be okay that you're going to not have a child be very nice in the car on the way home from school or right when they get off the bus. Oh yes, they have been on all day and they are exhausted, their brains are fried, their emotions are fried, especially if they're a high-energy child or an insecure little one, their anxiety, they have kept it at bay. That's when I say go have that me time, that downtime for that 10 to 20 minutes so everybody can come down. Then you can ask How was your day? And you still might not get a lot, and that's okay. It doesn't mean that they don't love you or they don't want to share with you or they're never going to come to you as a mama. It just means they just need some time.

Oh, such good advice. I never know what I'm gonna get, and I pick my daughter up, so I'm like, let's see who gets in the car today.

Exactly. And a great statement is be okay in that discomfort. And don't let that then trigger you as a parent of, oh my gosh, my child is— my child doesn't like me. No, that's not true. They adore you. That's why they're showing you the cruddy behavior.

So true. It's so true. It's such good advice.

It's just hard in the moment. Oh, and there is a difference between disrespect and what we're talking about. Disrespect then needs to be reined in and there needs to be some discipline and some reward system put in place. Most children respond better to rewards than takeaways, but sometimes you ultimately have to take away something. But I often promote reward systems because that will encourage positive behavior.

Absolutely. Well, and I hope that everybody listening realizes you and I have done the training, the classes, the courses, the teaching, and you and I still have to work on ourselves as parents. So I mean, hopefully that puts it into perspective for people.

100%. I always tell people, my children, as a therapist, have been in therapy, and that is okay. That's okay. My husband's been to therapy. That is okay. And when you read Blessing from Fear, you will see and hear that thread throughout of how hard my husband and I have worked. So it's not easy.

No, it's not easy. It's wonderful. It's the best job we could get is, is to be parents, but it's— nobody said it was easy. So you see lots of parents and kids. I mean, what do you think the most common challenges are recently that you've been working on with your families?

Oh, that is always a hard question because I do feel like there's a few, but I would say the target— I get the same email, same phone call of my child is dysregulated, my child is showing huge emotions, big tantrums, going towards disrespect, they're they're just out of control at home and, and we've tried everything. And I'm usually the last resort, which is okay. Um, and then I hear that scenario, I have to say, and I do feel like even 4 years past the start of COVID we are still reeling from that. Uh, the pandemic, post-pandemic issues. The two feelings that I get often told to me that my child is feeling anxiety and anger.

Yeah.

Um, I, I get a lot of ADHD, you know, can you help my child? But when I hear that, I, I, I look at it and go, okay, what's beneath? What's happening below that ADHD surface, because there's more to that. Most ADHD children are anxious. Their brains are wired that way. So how can we address that piece? Then, then we'll settle the not— the, the child not being able to focus. Um, another one in my particular demographic is perfectionism and performance-based anxiety. Um, and the parents just, I don't, it's not that they're trying to keep up with the Joneses. That's kind of old school now. It's more, I, I wanna be the best parent. I wanna be there for my child. I wanna be present. And they get caught up in those kind of buzzwords. How can I be emotionally present and grounded and regulated and all these words and still be okay as a mom, okay as an individual. So I think it's just balancing all of the pressure of as a parent. And I mean, the fact is, is the world is— there is a lot more pressure. It's more pressure economically, and, and things are more expensive and everything costs more. So we're feeling kind of out of control in that area too. So I would say a lot of those are the big, biggest issues I've had.

Yeah, that makes so much sense. Um, and I, you know, I'm fascinated that you live in Nashville, so I have to ask, are there— do you feel like there's specific needs to your community in Nashville?

Yes. Um, so right now, coming off of a school shooting in my community, is, um, is a big piece of what I'm— I'm a mile— I'm not even a mile, I'm a fourth of a mile from where that school shooting occurred. And so dealing with that is a huge piece of what I'm doing now. But really more just the growth in Nashville, the economic growth and the amount of people moving here is, is beautiful, but it can be really overwhelming and it puts a lot of pressure on parents. And our school systems are really struggling right now, and our public school systems, so trying to balance getting those up and performing better and that pressure that's felt on the principals all the way down to the teachers, to the parents. So it's a systemic issue. And then another big piece is It's a very wealthy community here in Nashville, and that puts a lot of pressure on. There's a, just like an enormous amount of private schools here, and the pressure of that piece and preschools going all the way down to preschool is, it's really daunting. And I don't hear that same pressure when I talk with people from other, other parts of the country and parts of the world. It's really a unique little place here in Nashville. I love it, but it's tough.

I, I bet. And I have to ask you, because you've touched on it a couple times and it's huge in my house. So, you know, I have 3 kids who are very hard on themselves and perfectionistic with their grades, and they want those hundreds. My daughter just got a 94 on a test, and I was so proud of her, and she's like, I get hundreds in this class. Like, that's That's not good. So any advice for us to help our kids with these? I mean, it's not me.

I know, I say that all the time. I have my, my youngest is that too, and I don't put the pressure on her. It is internal, it is societal, and all I can do for her is to keep showing her how much I love her for who she is. The more you pump them up and say, I— and, and use that affirming language, use that script. I see in here that you are not happy with that 94. Wow, that must be, that must be kind of hard to figure out how you're feeling on that one. So you're not affirming, you're, you're, you are affirming, you're not those encouraging them that a lot of times a parent will go to a phrase like, "Oh, sweetie, it doesn't matter what you get. I'm so proud of you. That 94 is incredible. I mean, it's okay that you didn't get 100." We try to fix that and pause for a second and just acknowledge that they are unhappy. They're mad at themselves and acknowledge that And then you can say something like, wow, that's, that's kind of seems like a lot of pressure. I wonder if there's a way we could kind of figure this out together. And that word together is enormous for the child of all ages, from 18, 25, down to 3. And so beautiful, I guess, just trying to affirm them. That's a difficult piece, and a lot of parents are feeling that juxtaposition.

I was like, I did— I was not my best self. I was like, are you kidding me? You're upset with the 94, right?

Right, right. And so that's when you say, I'm gonna go over here and like say all those statements in my pillow as a mom and be like, are you kidding me? And then you can come back and kind of be the more affirming.

I love it, I love it. Well, I think You are fabulous. Your families are so lucky to have you as their counselor. I can tell. Um, can you tell everyone where they can come hunt you down and find your book and all this stuff?

Yes. So book-wise, they can buy it anywhere books are sold. Okay. Um, also they can go directly to my website. Sometimes that's just the quickest and easiest. So trishathornton.com, right on the homepage is a little Shopify icon. Click there and you can order the book and have it sent directly to you. You can also find me on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn at Tricia Thornton Therapy. And like I mentioned before, every Tuesday, Thursday I post little 2 Minutes with Tricia Thornton videos. Tuesdays are typically child-parent focus, and then Thursdays are just kind of general, more self-care focus for adults. And sometimes I throw in a parenting piece on Thursday, but that's usually the setup. And then I also am doing different speaking engagements. So if anybody ever is looking for a speaker to come to a group of parents, professional development in the fall, that's kind of where I'm kind of going towards at this point right now. A lot of women's conferences and stuff like that. There is a place on my website to inquire about speaking.

Wonderful. Well, I can't thank you enough. For your time and all your wisdom today. I loved talking to you.

Thank you. I enjoyed talking with you too.

And I love your accent.

Yeah, it's very strong.

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