Do Infrared Saunas Actually Work? Benefits, Risks & How Long to Feel Results

Have you ever wondered how far infrared therapy actually works and why so many people are turning to it for pain relief, detoxification, and deep relaxation? Today we're exploring the science behind the Relax Far Infrared Sauna with Philip Wilson, a pioneer in holistic health for over 5 decades. Welcome, Philip, to the show.

Thank you. Rita, it's a pleasure to, to be here. We have similar backgrounds. We've both been into holistic health for many, many years. And it certainly is, is, you know, it's funny. Yesterday, you know, I had a little bit of a stomachache because I ate something that didn't agree with me. And, you know, you just, you go find an herbal tea, you drink water, you drink the herbal tea, and the stomachache's gone. And that's what I've been like ever since '71, in 1971. And it's so sad that that's not the operandi, the modus operandi, the way of operating of everyone on this planet. And it's like, you know, I had to answer a question the other day, what drugs are you on? I said, damn it, I didn't know I was supposed to be on any.

I mean, what—

I missed that memo.

Yeah.

I missed that. I guess the world passed me by. And it's funny because at one time I said, how come I'm the only one in this world that doesn't know what life's about and everyone else does? And I was so upset. I said, I'm going to join the rest of them. And then about a year and a half later, I said, oh my gosh, hardly anyone knows what I know.

You know, honestly, Philip, it is— wouldn't it be wonderful if the go-to was always let me reach for something natural first? But I mean, we always have those emergency situations. where people do need medication, or they do have some form of blood clotting, some sort of blood disease or cancer or something. They need it, you know. And sometimes to be on the medication first to give you relief, or in emergency situations, great. But it's the long term we're talking about here. It's the, I've been put on this medication for a situation, or maybe it's type 2 diabetes, And a lot of people just don't know what to do or what else is out there that can help them get off that medication. Because really, once a doctor puts you on a medication, it's very rare unless you advocate for yourself that you will come off it. So to be, like we say, to go to natural, if it's a situation that's good for you with your health, should be first port of call. And that brings us to what you deal with. You deal with these, this far infrared saunas. How does it benefit the body?

I, I've been, uh, I've had a health food store since 1980, and I got into holistic health and fasting in 1971. And I was promoting the, the most recent cutting-edge herbal products medicinal mushrooms, superfoods, green foods, Chinese herbals, and all these digestive enzymes and probiotics and all these great products. I was introducing them to health food stores because the big guys who sell the food, they were reluctant to pick up a product that hadn't been tried. And I— and because of my experiences in the early '70s, I was very sensitive, and I could take an herbal product and see what it did. I could take spirulina, chlorella, blue-green algae, and put them in my body and see what it does and said, oh my gosh, this is amazing. So I was promoting those kind of products. The Relax Far Infrared Sauna is by far the pinnacle of all the products I've ever sold that helps get you into the present moment and helps you get into healing mode. more than any other product I've been involved with in the last 55 years. So, that's impressive. And another thing, Hippocrates said, find me a way to create fever and I will cure any disease. That means he will cure all diseases. He's the one that said, above all, do no harm. And unfortunately, the medical establishment doesn't take that seriously. Now, the, the book Detoxify or Die by Dr. Sherry Rogers, written around 2001, is a testament and launched the far infrared sauna industry pretty much. It's Detoxify or Die by Dr. Sherry Rogers, an environmental medical doctor. And what she did in, uh, in the 1990s, late 1990s, uh, people with many multi-chemical sensitivities and environmental difficulties were left for dead by the medical establishment. I'm sure you've never heard of that before. And she got them all better using far infrared saunas. Now, right now, there's a lot of— it's almost like a fad. Everyone's getting into red light.

Yes.

And then there's near infrared light, but those are good. Good therapies, yes, but they, they're overshadowed by far by the benefits of far infrared therapy, far infrared light, because most people don't know that they are far infrared light beings, that you shine and emit invisible far infrared light, and water is a far infrared molecule. And it's all about the water. It's all about the water. And the purpose of a far infrared sauna is to vibrate your water molecules. Why? Because that will weaken the ionic bonds, release poisonous toxic gases. And it's like if you have 100 people in a small room dancing, it's gonna get hot, the room.

Mm.

So if you have water molecules in your body dancing, your body's gonna get hot. And that's, that's the fever that Hippocrates talked about. He's gonna say, bingo, now I can cure you of any disease that you may have. And if the medical doctors took that quote seriously, boy, this earth world and this United States would mean— and Australia would be in a lot, lot better shape. But again, you know, you take a back seat and you look at the situation and you do what you need to do to get your body healthy in spite of the world around us. And later on, like, reason comes after the fact. Later on, you understand That everything was designed to give you the experiences so you can be more free and so you can feel more loved and you can— and love can flow through you. And that your body, it's like every— it's all orchestrated by the divine. The experiences you have created. You know, we're called creatures, right? Did you ever think the reason we're called creatures is because we create?

Oh, I never really looked at it that way. That's a really interesting perspective. I like that.

Yeah, I had that revelation about, like, you know, a month ago.

Oh, yeah.

It's like, yeah, a lot of— I've known it for a long time. It's obvious. But, but yes. And that means we create our reality. That means we can't be the victim. And if we created the mess we're in right now, we can uncreate it and create a better reality for us.

That's so true.

So the fact that we're creatures is like It's a key to becoming more free. And then we can look and be aware. See, anything you— one of my heroes is, as I call him, Saint Jiminy Cricket. He said, when you wish upon a star, your dreams come true. So your dreams can come true because you create them.

Yeah.

And whatever you picture and give passion to and are willing to not have, you can have.

That's amazing. I love your perspective on that, and I really love the fact that you said about, you know, it's our choices, we create it, so let's not become a victim to it. And that goes even to our health conditions. Let's not become a victim to our health condition or to a label and make it part of our identity. Let's see what we can do, look at what you have, and then start exploring, like what you're offering, that there are so many ways. that either you can find total relief or even partial relief from what you're experiencing.

Even my stomachache I had last night, the herbal tea helps at 80, 85, 90%. Then I got in the Relax Sauna. Boom, 10 minutes, no pain, no pain at all. I even forgot that I had pain. And see, it's really strange. See, There's many infrared saunas out there. There's many Finnish saunas out there. And in the '60s— now, there's a book that it's sort of like out of stock, but you can get it on Amazon. It's called No Sweat, No Sweat. Akpanar, and he's a strong proponent of the Relax Sauna for the last 15, 18 years. He wrote this book in 2007. And it talks about a wooden sauna. But since then, he discovered the Relax Sauna, and he wonders how in the world people can exist without the Relax Sauna in their daily, especially when you travel. It's a history of saunas in the world, you know, or objects like the Grecian baths, the Roman baths, the Finnish saunas, the Indian sweat lodges, the South American Indian sweat lodges. All over the world, there have been ways to get your body to heat up. Now, the, the Finnish saunas until the early '60s, that would do the trick to detoxify you because we live in a toxic world. There's a book by Doris Rapp, Our Toxic World. And Karen Russell was at a conference and ran into her and she said, go see Phil about his sauna because she had heavy metal poisoning for lead and mercury for 30 months. Her blood reports came back, oh my God, and her health was deteriorating. And she didn't know what sauna to buy. And Doris said, go see Phil. And she saw me and she bought a Relax Sauna. And a month and a half later, she reported to us miracles. Basically, for the first time in 30 months, her heavy metal report on lead and mercury were normal. Her skin was no longer dry. She lost 65% of her cellulite. Her skin was moist and attractive, and she was starting— it's never been in that good a shape. And she lost weight as well. This is in 2017. 2008. Now, this is standard. Now, Dr. Sherry Rogers spawned the far infrared sauna industry by her book in 2001, because in 1960, regular saunas did the job. But as the world became more toxic, again, the soil, the water, the air, and then the electricity, which means the Wi-Fi and all that, 5G and all that stuff, can interfere with us as well. Now, Dr. Yamasaki did some research in Japan, and he found out that the only— the far infrared energy between 7 and 14 microns, only that frequency of far infrared energy will vibrate your water molecules. And that, as I said, will weaken the ionic bonds, and that will release poisonous toxic gases, namely carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide. from the body and also help release heavy metals. And again, that will also antidote EMF from microwave devices, i.e., your cell phone, from Wi-Fi. And so the far infrared sauna, the Relax Sauna, actually, because it has the correct frequency, is, is according to a guy in Oklahoma, better to ward off EMF than any of the 14 devices that he Some too are really good that he sells. And people go to the Relax Sauna and said, what about the EMF? Well, we have 4 people who in Southern California and in Arizona who go into houses to make them EMF safe. They all own Relax Saunas in their home. So anyone who wonders if the Relax Sauna is safe EMF, it's actually the best thing to do. to help undo the damage. But we have to remember that the fear of EMF is 100 times more dangerous than the EMF itself.

You know, when you fear that— I don't mean to interrupt you, but I just want to say this point that reminds me the other day I was looking at someone who was going on about, oh, this has got, you know, seed oil, which was one of the last ingredients, or this has something else, or this— say, hey, you know, some— the fear of putting something in your body, even at a small level, and you have it maybe occasionally, is far greater than actually consuming that product.

We're afraid of a mental concept and we're not going by our experiences. Now, it's true, you know, that when we experience it, we know it, you know. But, you know, like, I used to be a real strict purist, but now, like I said, I'm not for or against anything anymore. Because if I am, I exile myself from the God consciousness and I get locked into duality. And that gets away, interferes with my freedom and my being able to listen to inner guidance, the ability to tune in. And that's what the relaxed sauna does more than any other sauna. Because when you increase the body temperature and have the fever that Hippocrates suggested, it does 4 main things. Number one, it increases your circulation. Why? Well, because the water molecule, when it vibrates with the far infrared energy frequency, the angle goes from 0.32 degrees to 0.27, or from 32 degrees to 27 degrees instead of 90 degrees would be a right angle. And that gets the blood cell, the water cells, the water Molecules smaller, and guess what? That gets the blood cells smaller and it dilates the vessels, the blood vessels, the arteries. And so the circulation increases and this always lowers blood pressure.

How many people have high blood pressure? But also one of the things that are also becoming quite increasingly evident is so many people have edema now. Their body holds on to too much water.

You know, I, I would, I would almost say that, you know, the Relax Sauna is almost a panacea.

Yeah.

The Relax Sauna is almost a panacea. In, in 5 to 7 minutes, I have found when people go in the Relax Sauna, in 30 seconds you're gonna feel the warmth. Within a minute or 2, you're gonna say, oh my God, is that you, Grandma, giving me a wonderful loving hug? Or is that— it's just, it's— you feel like surrounded by a warm blanket or a grandma hug, or, or you're basking in divine Almost. That's what it does in, in 5, in, in 5 to 7 minutes. And it also, believe it or not, it will get rid of 50% to 100% of any pain that you have, or any situation it will help, like edema or neuropathy. All this will be helped in 5 to 7 minutes. 50% to 100% of your pain will be gone. Every single time in 5 to 7 minutes with your clothes on and without sweating. Wow. What a claim.

Without sweating? Yes.

Now, after 8 minutes, you'll start sweating. Okay. If you want to do a naked sweat, and if you see the sauna behind me.

Yes.

There's a towel on the chair. There's a folded towel and then a draped towel. And all your sweat will go on those 2 towels, whether, you know, if you're wearing a bathing suit or gym shirt, gym clothes or nothing. In 20 minutes, you will have the most profuse sweat of your life in the Relax Sauna. No other sauna gets this hot this quickly because we use semiconductor chips. We use, uh, which is, uh, computer technology. And this is an example of the semiconductor chip, if you can see it.

Yeah, so for our audio listeners, you're holding up a little Square metal with perforate— with hole perforation.

Yeah, it's just right. It is made out of ceramic. It took the Relax Sauna company in Taiwan 10 years, from 1987, a long time ago, to 1997, to find a way to give you the exact frequency that predominates at the hot springs in southern Japan where people would go for healing. Because it turned out that that energy that preponderates— that that is around Lourdes in France, the hot springs in southern Japan, that's far-infrared energy somehow is gathered there. And that's the energy that does the healing, the far-infrared light. And so by using a semiconductor chip, we're able to give you 100% of that frequency. I call it the active ingredient, the frequency That gets your water molecules to vibrate, only the 7 to 14 micron. So the Relax Sauna compared to the $10,000 wooden infrared great saunas out there is an upgrade, even though it sells for $1,700 for the silver sauna, $2,300 for the black sauna with the embroidered logo and the thicker tent that retains the heat a little bit better. and that high-end spas would get or Major League Baseball teams would get. But the $1,700 sauna does the trick. This is a $20,000 sauna. It is worth 2 to 3 times. It can therapeutically more than any $10,000 wooden sauna. And people have a hard time believing it until they got into the sauna.

Phil, can I just interrupt there just for the listeners? You might have so many who are thinking of actually buying a wooden sauna, for example. What is the difference? So the wooden sauna heats you, I believe, from the outside in, whereas the far infrared heats you from the inside out. Is that right?

See, again, it's all about the water molecules. Okay? You want to vibrate the water molecules. And like 100 people in a small room dancing, the room is going to get hot. So if all the water molecules in your body are dancing, Or vibrating, that's gonna increase your body temperature. And that's what Hippocrates said. So now the question is, how much is your body— how— If I give you 1,400 watts of 100% pure far infrared light, that's gonna resonate with your water molecules because it's the same frequency as you. You're not going to notice it. And so it's going to be absorbed into the body, into the water molecules, and it's going to penetrate very deeply, like 2 inches. Then it's going to talk to all those cells, are going to talk to each other. That's the magic. That's the magic. Now, if we have 1400 watts, 100% far infrared ray, and we use the tent as a mirror, which is like wind chill factor, We're going to get way, way more frequency and more— we're going to increase your body temperature significantly more than a sauna that only has 20% or 8% or 0% or 50% far infrared rate. The other sauna companies don't tell you the ingredients. They don't tell you how much near they have. They don't tell you how much mid they have. They don't tell you how much far. We sent 2 portable saunas, an Amazon sauna and a $1,400 low EMF full spectrum sauna along with the Relax Sauna to Harvard MIT Science and Technology Lab. They didn't do a study. They gave us a report. They measured the frequency of all the saunas and the EMF of all the saunas. And they told us, Phil, the Relax Sauna has 100% Far infrared between 7 and 14 microns. The $1,400 sauna frequency was from 1.2 to 6 microns, and the Amazon sauna was 0.95 to 1.32 microns. The Relax Sauna was 100% far. The $1,400 sauna was 8%. The Amazon sauna, 0%. The Relax Sauna was 350% and 450% more therapeutic. in the intensity of the penetration of the far infrared ray than the other 2 saunas.

Well, that's a good thing for people to actually know that so they don't go and waste their money buying something that has no therapeutic value whatsoever.

Well, we save lives too, and we save people from pain because we had 1/12 the EMF of the low EMF sauna, 1/180th the EMF of the other, of the Amazon sauna. But a lot of times people with like Lyme disease, a lady had a portable sauna for a year. She'd go in for an hour at a time and she never felt tingling in her fingers for her neuropathy. But in 12 minutes in the Relax Sauna, she felt tingling and bought a Relax Sauna, says, oh my gosh, the difference is amazing. And a lot of times for mold toxicity, like we have a website, relaxsaunas.com, and there's a page I created, relaxsaunas.com/mold. Superior. Doesn't— it doesn't matter whether it's capital or lowercase. And we have a video from Paula from Desert Hot Springs in Southern California where she says, I had a wooden sauna, it did not take care of my mold toxicity, but the Relax Sauna did. And so when you have mold in your home, Mm-hmm. that's very serious. Or if you have Lyme disease, or you have— we have 5 cancer clinics that sell the Relax Sauna. We have 2 ozone companies that chose the Relax Sauna to be the sauna that they put their ozone in to sell an ozone sauna to. Why do they choose the Relax Sauna? Because it works. Because the Relax Sauna gets results. Why does it get results? Because we give you the correct frequency. We give you the same frequency that you are, that water is. And that's why it works. And you can— and when we say experience the difference, feel the momentum, when you get in the Relax Sauna, No other sauna in, in 7 to 8 minutes will get rid of 50% to 100% of your pain. I, I've, I've inter— I've got about 1,000 video testimonies on YouTube. Uh, you go to YouTube and put Relax Sauna testimonials, then you get to the Relax Sauna page. There's 1,000 videos, 10 talks, 10 interviews of me, but about 900 people saying— and about 300 of these people saying, I've, I've been in many saunas before. Not once has it felt like my grandma was giving me a warm, loving hug. And no one has ever said that. And that's because the near-infrared energy, as good as it is, it's good for the skin. It penetrates 1/16 of an inch, but it's harsh to the body because we're 8 microns and 9.4 microns. And so when it comes at us, we recognize it and we have to resist it. And that's why it only goes in one. And that's harsh. But the far infrared, which is the same frequency as you, is soft, and we call it loving. So most saunas are a mixture of soft, loving light and harsh light. But the harshness interferes with feeling like you're warmly loved. And so it feels different. And also, the Relax Sauna takes 3 minutes to set up, 2 minutes to tear down. It fits in a box the size of a suitcase and actually fits in a 28-inch Samsonite Omni, which is 20.5 inches wide suitcase. And so it's easy to travel with, but, but it, it heats up in 30 seconds, not 10, 20, 30 minutes, you know, 45 minutes. Like so many people buy the Relax Sauna from us. At one nutrition doctor show, 4 doctors had wooden saunas in their home they never used. Why? Because it takes 30, 40 minutes to preheat, and they all bought Relax Saunas from me.

Yes.

And it's like there is a difference. For example, if you, if you, if the grocery store is 5 miles from your house, I give you a vehicle. You're exciting. I give you a bicycle. You're telling everyone how great the bicycle is. And then later on, you go in my Mercedes and say, Phil, I can't believe the difference. The ride was 1/4 the time. It was so comfortable. It was just— and I was able to take all the groceries back at the At one time. So, so there's a difference. Not— there's a detox specialist in Las Vegas. Her name is Angela. And she says, also, I bought— I had that $1,400 sauna. I gave it away. I, I had a higher dose blanket. I gave it away because the Relax Sauna, I felt detoxified and I felt revitalized, not, not drained. So there is a big difference. And again, even, even Rebecca Harder, who wrote the book Gastro Girl, Healing the World One Colon at a Time. She said, I mean, for 10 years she just went by her booth. I have a wooden sauna that couldn't do what the Relax— what my sauna does. She got in, in 3 minutes she could tell the difference. And in her book, she's got about 20 pages on far-infrared, including 7 pages on the Relax Sauna. She says, if you want to feel fabulous in the 21st century, an infrared, a far-infrared sauna is an absolute necessity. A necessity. They should build— should— I don't like the word should, but they could build homes around— the foundation is the Relax Sauna. And then you have the washing machine, then you have the stove and the refrigerator. But this is an essential appliance that will transform any house into a home, because where there's a home, there's a place of— there's a hearth, a place of warmth.

When you mentioned about the toxins and it gets Effectively gets toxins out of, I assume, every organ, because if the water is vibrating, it would vibrate in every organ. But I'm curious around people with mental health issues and especially dementia and Alzheimer's. Does it help remove from the brain or is it only like the other organs?

We have a study in Taiwan, 2024. We got lead out of the cells of pigs. And we did another study in 2004 using our little lamp, comparing it to a Philips near-infrared light bulb. We increased circulation and penetration of depth significantly more than the Philips lamp in pigs, in mice, and in men. So that study implies or infers that if we can get lead out of pigs, we can get them out of humans. And people have— the establishment questions whether far infrared saunas can really detoxify you. But we have one of the first studies I've ever heard of that proves it from Taiwan. And yes, dementia, depression, anxiety, all these things are helped by the Relax Sauna. From experience, we're doing research and we're finding out that the Relax Sauna increases heart rate variability significantly more than any other sauna. Why? Because we activate the parasympathetic. That's the second thing that, that increasing the fever. The third would be oxygenating the body, and the fourth, we're getting the mitochondria to give you revitalization and energy. But the key of why the Relax Sauna works so much better is we activate the parasympathetic nervous system so much more because we give you the active ingredient, 7 to 14 micron. Far infrared energy. And so that's why people say, I feel so relaxed. Oh, I wonder why it's called the Relax Sauna. One lady said after she's had a wooden sauna for 6 years, got in the Relax Sauna at a mental health conference for 30 minutes in her bathing suit, came back an hour later and said, Phil, after 8 to 10 minutes, I experienced the deepest, most profound sense of relaxation. than I've ever experienced in my life.

Gee, that's amazing. I'm just, you know, spellbound in a way that this is doing so much, and it just seems so simple to be able to get into that, uh, it looks like a little tent to me. Um, it's a little tent, a little tent, zip it up, and it is able to do all this. And especially for people who have sluggish Detoxification. I mean, that if you're, if you're a non-methylator, if you're a non-methylator, that's right.

Far infrared sauna is an absolute necessity. And we, we perform miracles. This sauna performs miracles. And, and it's, it's, it's priceless. And that's why I say it's, it's a $20,000 sauna that we're selling for $1,700. And there's no sauna that I know of that can increase heart rate variability like this does. And that's the way you measure the therapeutic value of a sauna. The Mayo Clinic says their heart patients should not do regular saunas or hot tubs, but far-infrared saunas are very therapeutic because the heart doesn't have to race to find an equilibrium. So by raising body temperature just a couple degrees, that's the magic. And it's all done by the water molecules vibrating. And that if you have a red— one lady, she said red light really helped her for 2 years, but now that she has the Relax Sauna, it's doing way more. So the red light is good, the near-infrared, the PEMF, the microcurrent technology, all those things are good. But the Relax Sauna will help them all work better.

Yes.

Because far-infrared is the only— Tesla said the future is frequency and vibration, and Edison said the same, and so did Jacob Lieberman about 50 years ago, an optometrist— not an optometrist, but an ophthalmologist. You know, light frequency and vibration. And of all the things out there, the Relax Sauna is the only one, or the Far Infrared Sauna is the only one that vibrates the water molecules. And that's the secret. It's all about the water. The far infrared from the sun gives the plant the power to move and to bend. The far infrared sauna goes through the sand and resonates with the water and turtle eggs. The sand does not get hot. The top's because of ultraviolet, like we get suntan. The far infrared, according to Dr. Yamaguchi, the 7 to 14 micron will antidote sunburn. If you have a sunburn pain of 7 or 8, the last thing you'd wanna do is get in that hot sauna, but it'll get rid of all the pain in 5 minutes every time.

That's incredible. There, it sounds like there's nothing it can't do or help. Yeah.

And, and, and for, I've been using it 23 years, almost every morning for 23 years. Wow.

So the technology of this goes back quite a while.

1997. Yeah, right. The company's been in business for about 43 years. My health food store has been in business for 45 years. I've been into holistic health for 55 years. And I go to shows and people tell me I look good for an old man and my skin looks good, they say. And again, I've seen 30,000 miracles, minor or major miracles, of the 150,000 people I've put in the Relax Sauna in the last 23 years at conferences.

Wow.

If you were a fly on the wall listening to what people say when they got out of the sauna, like the guy with— you'd buy a Relax Sauna in a heartbeat. One guy had sciatica pain, 7, 8 pain for 6 and a half weeks. He got in 15 minutes, all gone. These things happen, and you just— all you can do is marvel at it. Why does it work? Because of the specific frequency of light. We believe that Dr. Chang and his team of scientists in Taiwan deserve the Nobel Prize for this because it's not very hard. It's not very easy to get a stepped-down version of divine love in a box coming out of electricity. But they use a semiconductor chip technology, and we're the only sauna that uses computer technology. And basically, Planck's law says we can't do what we did. The plank didn't know about computer technology. So we do, and we do it better than others. And all saunas are great. I've loved saunas. Every sauna, like I said, you rave about the bicycle. Everyone raves about their sauna. And I raved about the sauna I had. I raved about the Amazon sauna I had for a year until I got the Relax Sauna. Night and day difference. Night and day.

So as someone who's gone, oh my goodness, you know, this is going to be amazing for me because they have so many, you know, health conditions. People have multiple health conditions, and on top of that, they suffer with pain, and/or it creates a mental health issue for them, etc. Is there a sweet spot in time to be in the sauna, or is it all individual and you have to kind of work it out for yourself depending What your condition is?

Well, there are 2 kind of treatments I recommended, you know, the 5 to 7 minute treatment with your clothes on and then the 20 minute profound sweat. If you do a workout, you do 5 to 7 minutes with your clothes on, you do your workout and 20 minutes afterwards for an incredible— for recovery, for more performance, and for preventing injury. It's a godsend. For any kind of chronic pain. We have 20 testimonies on our YouTube channel on Lyme disease alone. We have hundreds on chronic pain. And I mean, I run into people with chronic pain all the time. And, you know, I even offered to give a person— I said, hey, I'll give you $5 if you go in there and you don't— and your pain doesn't— he ended up buying a sauna. But it's really beautiful. It's an experience. The Relax Sauna is very special. People don't believe that a cell phone could be better than a computer from 2000. But yes, the Relax Sauna's technology, it's the technology that gives you the correct frequency, the correct vibration, and you can experience a relief of the pain, neuropathy, restless leg syndrome, Raynaud's syndrome. I mean, I've seen results in almost everything and anything, including MS and lupus. It's like, oh, we have the 30-day money-back guarantee because you're not at a show trying it and knowing that it works. And I've had a lot of famous doctors who use the Relax Sauna and well-known athletes as well. And we're starting to get a name for ourselves. And I suspect in 5 to 10 years, when you ask for a tissue paper and you ask for a Kleenex, people say, can I use your Relax? Instead of, can I use your sauna? They'll ask for the Relax because that's the one that works the best. It's instant on. That's what one doctor said. He loves the instant on.

Honestly, Philip, it sounds like you have an amazing technology there to help people with their health. Thank you so much for sharing everything about the sauna. And everyone can find all of Philip's details in the show notes so they can go and research it, have a look, contact Philip. And Philip, I believe that you have a special for the audience as well.

Yes. Yeah, we're going to give you a code for $100 off for Americans. And if you're in Australia or outside of the US, the shipping is $400. And so we're going to give you a $200 discount if you're from Australia or outside of the country. Figure out a way. We'll give you $200 off on the shipping, I guess. You know, we'll give you $200 off because— and Americans can get $100 off, and you're still getting the best bang for your buck because no sauna can do what the Relax Sauna does. And, and we know that, you know, and it takes a while for people to recognize. And some people are stubborn because when they spend $10,000 for a wooden sauna, it's, it's hard for them to Except that a $1,700 sonic can do them better. It is what it is. And we're offering our product and saying we're giving you a money-back guarantee, and this is going to help you feel better, get better, be more tuned in, and improve the quality of your life. And that's what it's all about. Because as you awaken to your true nature and realize that you've always existed, that you're eternal, and that this experience that we've created for ourselves, we can uncreate it and recreate it. That's why they call it recreation, because when we play, we recreate and we recreate our life. That's what recreation is all about. That's why it's important to play, you know, to play and enjoy yourself and get into the moment, to not judge but to observe, which comes from the word serve. And to, to, to just experience life, to appreciate the beauty of a sunset, not to judge it by saying the orange should go with the purple, but to appreciate it and to observe. And to— as you do this, you shine more and others can tell that you're shining more. And when you get into relaxed dana, you definitely start glowing more. And that's what it's about. It's, it's, it's purifying the body, the mind, and the emotions. Getting rid of the anxiety, the depression. And one person got in at a conference and she put her head in. You can put your head in too. And she came out and she said, all these problems, about 10 or 12 problems, all were resolved. One lady's heart chakra opened up. But so many people, chronic pain they've had for 7 months. One guy just said, oh my gosh, I can't believe it. I'm feeling the mitochondria in my— I've got $6,000 equipment that can't do what this does. In, in 1, 2 minutes. So if you want energy, if you want relaxation, if you want attunement, let alone getting rid of pain and stress, the Relax Sauna can be one part of your solution.

Well, it absolutely sounds amazing. And you not only have a fantastic product, but you've also shared so many life lessons with your wisdom today as well. I appreciate so much you coming on. Philip, and I do urge all my audience to go to the show notes, contact Philip, just even just to have a deeper chat with him about it, because it sounds like it really is an answer for so many people's ailments that they've been looking for. Thank you, Philip.

Thank you so much, Rita. I really appreciate this opportunity to share what I've experienced.

You're welcome.