Bart Sibrel | Fake Moon Landings and How The Government is Still Lying to You

But what's really going on in Area 51?

Well, I have no idea. My live feed is having a bit of static right now. Looks like their guards are asleep right now. But, you know.

I mean, I think you have more of an idea than me. What's going on there?

Well, I'm not sure if much of anything is going on there because it could be misdirection. If that's the popular site that everyone is focusing on, then I doubt if they're doing anything there.

So what misdirection is going on?

Well, I don't know. I'm just saying that if everyone is aware of Area 51, then there's probably not a whole lot of secrecy going on there. They probably moved operations to somewhere else.

Right. So in 10 years and 1300 episodes. But I've never done an episode like this. And I've been really looking forward to doing something wildly different. So I'd like to know if there's anything the government is hiding from us.

Well, a better question would be is there anything that they're telling the truth about? Which is very little. I doubt if they can tell the truth about the weather. You know you're in United Kingdom, right? I was just reading an article before this podcast how the United Kingdom arrests 12,000 people a year for posting things they don't like on their Internet social media accounts. Now, I divided that number by 365, and that comes to about 33 arrests a day. And then you have to figure they're sifting through at least 100 people more than that, right? 330 people that they're not arresting and choosing to arrest those particular people. That's a lot of resources that the government is spending just because they don't like people's anti government comments. Let's say that's pretty scary world that we're in. And in that type of world, with the government that, you know, strong, armed against people expressing their criticism, which is about their lies and corruption, then we're in a pretty dangerous place. And so the moon landing fraud is obviously why you're contacting me. Could be, you could say the epitome of the arrogance of the federal government. They didn't just fake it one time, they faked it six times. They embezzled that money six times in a row and treated the people under their care as a bunch of suckers. And that's the type of governments we have in the world, both in the United States and in the United Kingdom.

Wow. So I want to come to the moon Landings in a moment because that was one of the reasons we contacted you. Bart. We've been waiting to do a very different Disruptors episode and obviously seeing some of your content. Yeah, I thought you were the guy. So what are the government really? What are the main things they're covering up or hiding? Because you've referenced social media posts, is that just general anti government rhetoric or are there certain things they don't want us to know that are really going on that we should.

Oh man. There are just a, you know, lengthy list of things what came to mind as you asked that question. I would say one of the biggest secrets is who's actually running the show because it's not the President of the United States. When Jimmy Carter was president and any one term President the corrupted people probably don't like, he telephoned CIA Director George Bush Senior and said, I want to know now that I'm President, give me everything you got on UFOs and aliens. And the CIA director said to the President, I'm not going to do that. So who is higher ranking in that particular scenario? And so who's above the President? The CIA director. Who's above him? I don't know. But the people who are running the world aren't the people who are out in the profile. Those are the puppet people. We have Robert Kennedy Jr. Who has more access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone does. And it's his researched opinion, not mine, with 100% certainty that the CIA killed the President of the United States, his uncle. And then when Johnson came over, he rescinded all of Kennedy's orders about ending the Vietnam War. And the public was greatly against was the same. On December 6, 1941, 90% of Americans were against entering World War II after Pearl harbor in one day, 90% were for entering the war to get even. So President Johnson and Robert McNamara, the defense secretary, got together with the CIA and said, we need public support behind what we want to do and we need something like Pearl harbor. So Robert McNamar, before he died, said the fake attack from the North Vietnamese ship on an American ship never happened. It was completely contrived. None of it happened. They completely made it up. And then Congress and the Senate passed a law called the Gon Resolution. So Congress and the Senate are elected officials, don't know what's going on. They're passing laws based on lies that the intelligence agencies are doing. And that was in the 60s. Imagine the greater control that they have over the government and the population now. So we're in you know, deep trouble. The world is in deep trouble. Almost every government is, you know, mimicking the United States. Corruption and I don't know what we can do about it other than prayer.

Wow. So you're saying that wars have been created as essentially propaganda vehicles.

Well, I mean, there's a lot of reasons for doing wars. Financial reasons to lower the population, probably among people who are being killed and bombed, and to assert control. People who run the world are so rich, money doesn't really mean a whole lot to them anymore. It's simply control. And here in America, BlackRock, I didn't know this until recently. They're gobbling up all private real estate in the country. I found this out when my wife and I tried to put a bid on a home in Nashville, Tennessee. Thirty people were bidding on every home and the winning bid was 25% more than the asking price because we were told that BlackRock is buying up everything. Now that's pretty scary. That's what's going on. The people are trying to gain control over everything. And why there's so much censorship is if you can control what people think, then you control what they do. And virtually everything that censored, taken down, banned or whatever is criticism of the people in power. Right. That should tell you something right there. If what they were saying, if what the critics were saying wasn't true, why would they care?

Wow. So let me open up this BlackRock thing. Why would BlackRock buy up a load of American real estate? What's the goal?

Well, it's a great investment. There's only so much property. You probably know this from what I know about you. You're an investor and know a lot about finance. There's a finite amount of property. Real estate eventually always goes up. And I think all of these people who were gambling on the stock market, even though they can kind of rig it to their advantage, they real that even better than that is to simply gobble up property to own as much as they possibly can. And now people can't even buy a home anymore because billion dollar, trillion dollar corporations are outbidding them.

Wow. So you said earlier about who might control the world and it's certainly not the president because the CIA above them. Is there an argument that BlackRock or whoever has got their money in BlackRock or these huge funds which are essentially massive banks. Is there an arg? They pull a lot of the strings in the world?

Yeah. There's people above them. The smart people who run the world. They don't want to be high profile. They don't want their houses burned and they don't want assassination attempts. So they get these people who are egocentric to run for office, and they generally collect. You go skeletons in the closet on them. So if they don't cooperate, bribery is their first choice so that they're complicit. And if not, they use blackmail. And that has worked almost all the time. And really the reason that has worked is because people pretty much don't believe in God anymore. And without a belief in God, they don't have a belief in right and wrong. And all that they have in their mind is this finite life. So they'll do anything to live one minute longer and to hold on to their house one minute longer. People aren't willing to die for what is right anymore. And that's what our founding mothers and fathers did after the Boston Massacre, they called it a massacre. Five people died. And it was probably as much the Americans fault as it was the British. But they said, that's enough. That's enough tyranny. We are willing to risk our property and our lives for what is right. No one's willing to do that anymore. And that has let evil run amok. And that's why we're stuck in this terrible world with this terrible governments of the world that we have now.

So are we arguing then that we, the people, are complicit? We have created the monster?

Well, it's not so much we've created it as we've allowed it to happen by not cleaning house. It's like, I'm not complicit with ants and cockroaches. You know, I don't, like, orchestrate what they do, but if I fail to do my dishes and take out the garbage, that's the inevitable result. And so that's what has happened. Are so, you know, mesmerized literally, by screens that they spend as much time watching, images that are not real, that are virtual reality, as they do at work every week. And then they have to sleep and do their dry cleaning and spend a little time with their family. There's really no time left over to make the world a better place. People are literally hypnotized. Just like with the moon landing, they believe it was real because they saw it on tv.

Wow. So have you got an example that we might all be able to relate to of where someone with an ego is in a fairly high profile, powerful position and has been controlled by someone more powerful and maybe thrown under the bus?

Well, I mean, pretty much every president we've had for the last hundred years that would, you know, fit the bill for that one. And for example, Bill Clinton comes to mind, you know, very likable personality, and that's why they chose him to be president. And yet he wrote on page 156 of his biography that he suspected that the moon landings were fraudulent, but he didn't do anything about it while he was in power. You have the current president who claims he wants to, you know, expose all the corruption in the government. Jfk, mlk, who did those people. But they faked the moon landing. I think that you should start with that. People are now criticizing Musk and Trump claiming that they're corrupt, when another way of looking at it, whether true or not, I don't know, is that they want to end the corruption. If they really want to end the corruption and get the public on their side, the number one tool is to show them that they were duped about the moon landing fraud. Not only did they embezzle an equivalent of $250 billion, they used that money, their tax dollars, not only to deceive them, but to hire people to murder whistleblowers. I have an eyewitness who saw them fake the moon landing at Cannon Air force base in 1968, who also admitted as he was dying, that he killed a co worker to keep it a secret. This is what our government is doing. Our country was founded not by the Constitution, but what preceded that, the Declaration of Independence. That said, when any government becomes destructive of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. The people have the legal right to get rid of the federal government and to start over again. And what's the first one? Life. You know, I don't know anything about the JFK assassination. That happened before I was born. But if a relative who's done a lot of research says the CIA killed him, then I take that as the truth. I interviewed someone who was the widow of the man who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon, who wouldn't cooperate with the fraud. So he was murdered. That's not my opinion. That's the opinion of his widow who I interviewed for four hours. And that's what my book that just came out is about. It's kind of the behind the scenes adventures and the stories that I was not allowed to put in my movie, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, that are now in the book Moon man, and just go to my website, Sabrell Dot Com. And you'll see now only did they fake the moon landing. There are multiple homicides that the federal government did to cover it up. And these people are at large. This way of thinking, murdering people who get in your way. Until they are caught, they will keep doing it. That's why exposing the moon landing fraud is essential to getting rid of corruption.

Okay, so I definitely want to talk about this moon landing fraud, but I want to pull out something you just said. You said they chose Bill Clinton. So are you saying there is no democracy?

I mean, they control both political parties and they control who is nominated in each political party. They want the most popular person to win. And once they put their candidate, corrupt candidate A and one party, and corrupt candidate B in another party, they don't really care who wins. Just ask Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul if an outsider can get a fair shake. Bernie Sanders got twice as many votes as Hillary Clinton in multiple states, and yet she got twice as many delegates. And when someone said, isn't this voter an election fraud? They said, no. The Democratic Party is a private club and we can, you know, change the votes and have one vote count for 10 and 10 votes count for one any way that we want. But they are using taxpayer voting machines and taxpayer voting personnel, and it is a step toward the President of the United States. So I don't really think that is legal. And then Ron Paul on the other side won the first straw polls, one of the first primaries, and yet he got 1% of the media coverage because there was a concerted effort to make sure he didn't become President of the United States. So, yeah, they're faking the moon landing, they're faking assassinations, and they're faking that we have a democracy. Remember, Congress in the Senate voted on the Gulf of Tonkin resolution to start the Vietnam War based on an event that never happened. So Congress and the Senate are completely deceived. So we do not have a democracy. That's another deception.

So are you on the CIA radar or hit list?

Well, that's what my book goes into. I have it@sabral.com it's an audio that I read or Kindle or print. And for the first time ever, I go into the backstory about what happened when I found classified footage of them faking part of the moon mission right in front of your eyes. I was a big fan of the moon missions. I was gaga over it. And yet I had an open mind. I found footage when I worked as a reporter at NBC of them faking Part of the moon mission right in front of your eyes. And I'm like, oh my gosh, they really did fake it. And that day that I found that footage, I had major problems. I was followed. My car was tampered with. The brakes and the accelerator pedal were, you know, tampered with. And I was at one point abducted by the CIA, interrogated with truth serum to the point of vomiting, and told them everything they wanted to know. The fact is, two NBC News directors who I've shown this footage to absolutely agree it proves with a 100% certainty that the moon missions were falsified and yet they were threatened not to broadcast it. So we don't have a free press either. What a surprise.

Wow, so you were kidnapped. How come you survived it then?

Well, divine intervention, in addition to the fact that as I was trying to get this footage literally in the back door of cnn, I'm surrounded by government agents who take, you know, these Betacam, you know, high end tapes of the fake footage. Arrest me. And at that moment, some lawyer who I guess wanted a CNN center address as cheaply as possible, had an alley entrance, law firm steps out and I'm like, oh, hey, you know, I'm being illegally arrested here. I'm a journalist trying to get a tape to CNN and I'm being stopped by the government. He gets out a notepad and starts, you know, writing down everything. Had that not happened, I might not be here today. Oh.

Why do you keep speaking out about it then? Are you not scared that they might get you next time?

Well, anything happens to me, it becomes a little more obvious that I'm corre. And the reason, it's kind of like, let's say I come over to your house and you've got a bucket there and there's water dripping into the bucket from your ceiling. I come over six months later, you got two buckets. A year later there's three buckets. Four years later, there's 10 buckets. When are we going to do something about this? People don't realize that the faking of the moon landing is so much more profound than if they had actually gone. I mean, either they went, planted a flag, and came back with 1960s technology, even though today they can only go 1000th the distance to the moon with 50 years better technology, or the most powerful nation on earth faked the greatest event in human history. And I assure you, that is the truth. So what we have is one of the greatest events in human history is actually the faking of the moon landing. Because Our government leaders are that corrupt. And that's an important truth. You can't have this pain in your side every year and just say, I guess it's just one of those things I'm going to have to live with. When there's a growing tumor there, we have to know that it has become that bad. They did fake the moon landing. And until the truth comes out, these tyrants will keep having their way.

And why is it really important for you to get the truth out?

Well, it's an important historical truth. It would be like me waking up in an apartment, high rise and smelling smoke at three in the morning and grabbing my money and my family photos and heading out. Is that the right thing to do or is the right thing to do to go door to door and start waking people up? You see, that's the right thing to do. And people were murdered because of this. That's very serious. And these people are at large, their apprentices and their style of doing things, they're still doing it until it gets exposed. It's dangerous. You can't say, say, well, in my neighborhood, one child is abducted every month. Been going on for 50 years. One of those things? I don't think so. Better stop and do something about it.

So what really happened then? What evidence have you got that the moon landings were fake? And why was it faked?

Well, it was fake because they made the goal to go to the moon by the end of the decade, saying it couldn't be done. And instead of eating humble pie and admitting that, they bluffed like in poker where you can win by, you know, a fake hand. And that's what they did. I really have in my, you know, book and movie, which you can go to sabrell.com and see the film on the homepage for free. We have four incontrovertible proofs that each one by itself would prove it in a court of law. They didn't go to the moon. Here's the simplest one. Don't need to show any footage or photographs. Today, with five decades better rockets and computers, the farthest that NASA can send an astronaut into space is only 1000th the distance to the moon. So what they're really claiming is, for the first time in the history of the world, technology was greater in the past than in the future, because back in 1969, all the computers combined had one millionth the computing power of a cell phone. NASA has never kept a schedule in their entire history, except the most complicated one of all time. Tell me, Rob, is there any Machine that was built in the last hundred years. Telephone, telegraph, radio, television, computer, anything that was higher quality in the past than it is now. And I'll say the moon landings are real. The truth is right there in front of your eyes. You cannot have greater technology in the past. If they could go to the moon on the first attempt with one millionth of computing power of a cell phone, we would have been on Mars 10 years later. We'd be in another solar system by now and there'd be bases all over the moon. You see that there are bases at the South Pole. 100 degrees below zero, 100 mile per hour winds. Why? Because it can be done. If it could be done, it would be done. So that proves it right there. You cannot have greater technology in the past and in the future. The problem is this is a prideful, positive lie. You see, whoever killed JFK, it's a tragedy. He's dead. Whoever did 9, 11 tragedy, they're all dead. This is positive. And I come along with the bitter herb of truth. And people don't want it. They want that sweet candy you see? So that proves that you cannot have greater technology in 1969 than today. They can only have mannequins orbiting the moon today. Can you imagine? They have postponed returning to the moon ten times with decades better technology. If they could go to the moon in eight years with 1960s technology, you should be able to return to the moon in about a third of the time or three years. Right? With all the advancements and everything. And they still can't do it. They still can't leave Earth orbit. And the footage we uncovered, which is proof number two, we have footage that says do not show to the public at the beginning of it. Go to sabrell.com seen on the homepage. And they are using a one foot model to pretend it's the Earth floating in space. To pretend that they're looking back at the Earth. The lights come up. It's a one foot model dated two days into the flight with all the astronauts on camera. And a third track of audio of the CIA telling them to fake a four second radio delay to make it appear as though they're farther from the Earth than Earth orbit. That's the second proof. The third proof we have shadows intersecting at 90 degrees from objects five feet apart. Go outside in sunlight, two trees, two telephone poles, two people. Their shadows always run parallel, impossible for them to intersect. And we have pictures taken from a filmmaker that you have one shadow at 12 o', clock, another shadow at 9 o'. Clock, they're five feet apart. That's a light that's really close, or two lights that are really close, that cannot happen in sunlight, which proves it's on earth, which proves it didn't go to the moon. And then lastly, we have an eyewitness. Cyrus Eugene Akers was the chief of security at Cannon Air Force Base. And he said as he's dying, the first thing he said is, he's a murderer. The military police came in to investigate the co worker that he murdered. And when they asked him, why did you kill him, he said, to cover up the moon landing fraud, which was filmed at Cannon air Force Base, June 1st, 2nd and 3rd of 1968. President Johnson was there, gave this guy, the chief of security, a list of 15 VIPs who were allowed in to observe. We published that list in my book@sobrill.com. so we have an eyewitness, we have footage of them faking being halfway to the moon. We have shadows, shadows intersecting at 90 degrees, which proves its electrical light. And we have the logic that you can't have a better technological machine in the past than you do today. So there you go. Moon landings are fake. What are we going to do with the rest of the time?

Okay, so I want to talk about this embezzlement you mentioned. But first, you shared a lot of this, all of this, much of this on Joe Rogan, who's got the biggest channel in the world. So how's your life been since then? This recent budget should warn you that your pension is not safe and secure and they're coming for your inheritance. Do you even know how much is in your pension or where your pension is invested? Add to this the recent inheritance tax grab on your pensions and the risk of a market crash. You probably didn't know this and I didn't until recently, but physical gold can be added to your pension pot. Gold is inheritance tax free and has grown 700% in the last last 20 years. You probably know from my content I'm investing heavily in silver and gold and that's why I've partnered with direct bullion. Myself and Nigel Farage are brand ambassadors and direct bullion can help you with gold to protect and grow your pension. I buy my gold and silver from direct bullion and I don't earn any money on any purchases of gold or silver if you buy direct from direct bullion. So if you go to robmore.directbullion.com you can get a great price on your silver and gold and you can get the pension Gold Investing Guide completely for free. As you know, I don't do many strategic partnerships, and when I do, I do them with people who are credible, who've been doing it a long time, who invest in things that I invest in, too. And gold and silver's going wild. I'm investing heavily in gold and silver, and I recommend you check out robmore.directbullion.com.

Well, I mean, nothing much has changed other than selling a few books. You know, after the interview, he told me more than 20 years ago when he took me out to dinner that he absolutely is 100% convinced that the moon landings are fake. What can he do to help the word get out? Maybe he thinks acting like the moon landings are real or being critical is beneficial to helping people overcome those criticisms. And he could very well be right. When we took our break, halfway through the interview, I'm like, what are you doing? You know, the moon landings are fake. He said, trust me, this is for a new generation of people. If you can overcome every criticism. And that's the reviews that I've gotten. People used to think the moon landings are real. They watched the interview, now they know better and they read the book. And now they're even all the more convinced. Trust me, I wish the moon landings are real. The world would be such a better place. But they're not. And we have to face facts. Every chapter of my book ends with a quote, and one of them from men in Black 3, which has to do with the Apollo launch. And the plot says, the bitterest truth is better than the sweetest lie. And it is. We have to love the truth. We have to just tell the truth. I'm not into prosecuting anybody involved. They should all be given amnesty and forgiven. But we need to know the truth. If the President is serious about wanting to get rid of corruption and uniting all of these critics to say, see, this is how bad it has become. They faked the moon landing. Here's the proof. I think both political parties would give them a shot at cleaning house.

But isn't. Isn't there too much to lose for whoever is pulling the strings in the world?

Well, we'll see. They could use the moon landing fraud exposure to their advantage. I mean, that'd be pretty clever, using it to their advantage in 1969 and using the disclosure to their advantage today. What would happen?

How could they use it to their advantage? Sorry to jump in, but how could they do that?

Oh, yeah, but that's. Yeah, because what do you think would happen? Just imagine, right Now, Rob, the truth is coming out. We're seeing a live feed on it. On one of these other monitors, you could hear a pin drop. Well, what would happen? Temporarily, the reputation of America would be knocked down a notch or two. Probably the stock market would crash, the dollar would crash. But the problem is, if we don't tell the truth about it, then the evil people are still having won, right? They're still having their way. So we have to, like, pop the boil and deal with the pus in order for there to be healing. So that's what would happen initially, you know, New World Order and all that. You know, I'm sure it means Bilderberg Group and Illuminati and all that, but technically it simply means a new order. Whoever is number one is no longer number one. What better way to take down number one than to show that they faked the moon landing?

And what's the embezzlement? You said 250 billion or something relating to the moon landing. What's that?

Yeah. They claim back in 1969, it cost $30 billion to fake the moon landing. And with inflation, my latest calculation is 250 billion. So that's a lot of money. And all they did was orbit the Earth, which they easily did in Gemini and Mercury. And so they probably kept 75% of that. They embezzled the money. I mean, it's like we're paying for our own deception. We're paying the salaries of CIA agents who are murdering people to cover it up. We're all paying for it. And they didn't just fake it one time, they faked it six times. They really took advantage of the American and treated them as suckers and children. They have such disregard for the public. They don't call them Americans, they don't call them citizens, they call them consumers. We're doing this for consumers. I'm here to help consumers. They see us as insects and them as superior. And so I don't think that's a healthy attitude for the government officials to have.

And do you think in more modern times, let's say, for example, what's happened with Andrew Tate and his talking about the Matrix and his ongoing case, and what's happening with Russell Brand and his ongoing case? Do you think these are the same examples or different?

Well, they're examples of arrogant tyranny. How many elections have happened or about to happen where the candidate who won or was about to win was arrested? Le Pen in France and the gentleman in Romania, he won the election and they didn't like that they arrested him. And then Le Pen was polling to win in 2027, so they arrested her. They tried to do that to Trump. I mean, this is a pretty big pattern that's going on in the world. And censorship is really the canary in the coal mine. There's so much censorship going on, it boggles the mind. Don't you think it's odd there in the United Kingdom that 33 people are arrested a day just for sharing a meme that the government doesn't like and this is considered normal. If that was going on in Germany during World War II, you would have the British people pointing, saying, see, look what a tyrant Hitler is. And now they're doing that and worse. Does anyone care?

I don't think it's odd. It really scares me.

Well, I'm afraid you can't say that, Rob. You'll be arrested, I think, tomorrow at 3 o' clock for saying that. Sorry to bring give you the bad news.

Thank you. It was nice meeting you. Yes. So you said, you said about maybe they could turn the truth into their advantage. Do we get to this future? Maybe I'm being ideological here, Bart, but do we get to a future where the truth can come out?

Well, yeah, absolutely. Another advantage to the truth coming out would be you could create new political parties. I came up with the name the American Party, and you could have them tell the truth about the moon landing, the jfk, whatever, and that would become the new popularism. And so they've got this popularism rising up that they have to constantly deal with. So why not join them and tell the truth themselves and use that to their advantage and create a new political movement that they're a part of. By telling the truth about it, they can still be in control, still run the show. So I could see a lot of advantage to them exposing the truth about the moon landing fraud.

Can you understand the position of most people? Because I think that the criticism of the people is that they turn a blind eye. They're not prepared to speak up, they're not prepared to die for the truth. But you know, this isn't 400 years ago, this isn't Braveheart. It's a different world and people have got families and jobs and their own problems. Can you understand from the major people what's the upside to them pushing and speaking out and seeking the truth and risking everything?

Well, even if you don't believe in God and a judgment to come, which I believe there is, you're going to historically be remembered for all time for either Being a coward or doing what is right. Would you like to be remembered as the person who Woke up at 3am in your high rise and grabbed your money and photographs and headed for the hills and didn't knock on a single door because maybe you might burn in the fire? Do you want to be remembered that way? You see, we're going to be judged by history or God or both. And this is it. They did fake the moon landing. It's an important historic truth and it is worth risking your life for. And the fact is that the people are bullies who run the world and you stand up to them and they run away. What do you think would happen if the truth came out right now about the moon landings being fraudulent? The people involved in that would head for the hills, right? And that's what Neil Armstrong should have done at their one and only press conference. He should have just told the truth then to protect his own family, rather than being under the thumb of blackmail for the rest of his life.

So I like to think that that would be me. You know, I speak out a lot about how the banks work and how, you know, really, you're just a pawn and you're just a product of the banks and. And I think it's important work to talk about the financial system. I've committed 20 years of my life to that. But, you know, I'm an entrepreneur. I've been an entrepreneur for 20 years. I have my own sense of freedom. I can't get fired by anyone, all right? I can be platformed and canceled. I feel pretty confident. I can always be agile and launch a new business if they shut that bank account and, you know, but like most people, they're just normal people. What can they do?

What can normal people do? I don't know, because, sorry, but if.

We could mobile normal people, because other people have got more to lose. They've got less knowledge. If we could mobilize more people, then maybe we can make a difference. Because I had a chat with a good friend of mine, he's got 14 million followers. It's huge. And he's like, rob, we're all just talking about the problem. Enough is enough. We need to talk about the solutions. And he really got me, actually grabbed me, because I've talked a lot about the problems in the world and I try and make solutions, but surely, like, we have to mobilize everybody if there's going to be any change. You can't be the one running with a spear and everyone's just. Just running away from you.

Well, maybe you could put me in touch with that gentleman and we could get the word out with more subscribers. Because that's my thought exactly. You have to eventually take sides. I got an email today from someone who's been around doing radio for a long time and they said they agree the moon landings are fake. Can I be the first guest on their new broadcast? And I said, I will if you admit what you admitted in the email, that you know the moon missions are fake. It's time to take sides. Tick tock, tick tock. You know, time is running out and bad events are probably going to happen. And the better we will all be off if we can have the truth to get rid of this cancer and this scourge. You know, Jesus said to love your enemy and that's what separates him from religion. Because the Muslims are bombing the Jews, the Jews are bombing the Muslims, and the so called Christian America is bombing everybody else. No one is really loving their enemy. And the people who fake the moon landing or killed Kennedy or all the bankers, people trying to, you know, wrongly influence elections, they're really not our enemies in and of themselves. They're really just lost souls. And it's the truth that sets you free. And the problem is if they tell the truth about JFK and MLK and all that, but not the moon landing fraud, then we're still slaves. You see that? So we have to tell the truth about the worst. And the worst, believe it or not, is the moon landing fraud. The NBC News director, the first one I showed the footage to, that proves we didn't go to moon. That convinced skeptic me that they did fake the moon landing landing. He turned pale white and said, oh my gosh, they really faked the moon landing. I said, I know, what do we do? He refused to broadcast it for fear it would cause a civil war. He said, I'm not going to go down in history as the man who caused the next American civil war. And something has to happen at some point. I remember this restaurant that I live next to and the health department came in and because the building was 50 to 100 years old, they said, you got to clean the ducts and you got to clean the, clean every antique that you have on the wall and you got to do this and that. And you know, it was simpler tearing down the building and building a new one. And so that's what we need. We need a constitutional congress. We need to reaffirm things, we need to simplify everything, you know, a building permit. I was thinking about the other day, permit per mission. I have to get permission to build something on my own property. Who is this I'm getting permission from when it's my own property? People don't understand how backwards this is. You see, if copper can go left to right down, you know, electricity down a wire, then it can go right to left down the same copper wire. So if the power of government was inverted, then we would have freedom. This top down has been around for thousands of years and it only leads to tyranny. This banking crisis I'm sure you know about, where they gave trillions of dollars to the people that ca problem. I did a little estimate on it. They could have given every American who was a citizen and 18 years or older about $20,000 instead. And rather than trickle down economics, which is giving tax breaks to the millionaires so they can hire more butlers, you give everybody $20,000 and what do they do? They go out and they buy washers and dryers and cars. It trickles up to the millionaires and billionaires who own the factory. So why is it that the person in the District of Columbia, which isn't even technically part of the United States of America, that they can tell the governor of California what they can and cannot do? And why is it that the governor in California can tell the mayor of LA what they can and cannot do? And why is it the mayor can tell a resident association what they can and cannot do? And why is it that the resident association can tell a property owner that they can't plant a garden in their front yard because it's not aesthetically pleasing, why not reverse it? The property owner cannot be told by the resident association. With the can and cannot do, the mayor has no control over the resident association. If the resident association wants to have a gun ban or maybe a sidearm carry mandatory law, it's their right. The mayor doesn't live there, you see? And then the governor can't tell the mayor what to do, why not reverse it? You see, it's still government. I don't know why people haven't thought of that before, but if the truth comes out about the moon landing fraud, things like this will come to light. We've done something wrong. And if what we have causes such tyranny and murders, maybe the opposite way, bottom up government is the way to go.

How do we deal with this censorship? Because the problem is, as soon as you put some messages out on media to mobilize people, you get censored, shut down. You know, your ability to earn is Taken away. Your ability to speak is taken away if you rely on social platforms. So how do we deal with that paradox of being censored when we speak out?

Well, you enforce the laws, including the Constitution, which says that a person can not be discriminated against because of race, color and creed. Well, what is creed? Creed is a belief. I used to have Nissan Motors as the primary sponsor of my YouTube channel. And if you take exponentially where I should be at now, it's a nice little income, maybe enough to live on. And yet YouTube took my ad revenue away. Now, does Nissan Motors really care whether you're a Democrat or Republican? No, they just want you to buy a car. Do they really care where you whether you believe the moon landings are real or not? No, they just want you to buy a car. So the fact that YouTube was taking away revenue based on political beliefs is already illegal according to the Constitution of the United States. The fact is, it's not being enforced. Right. The Senate intelligence committee in 1975 said there was a second gunman to the Kennedy assassination. That was part of the law. Then why isn't that person one of the 10 most wanted list of the FBI? Never happened. You see, we have a contradictory. We have these laws that aren't being enforced. So the way to get rid of censorship is you enforce the laws. Censorship is illegal. You can't discriminate against someone's belief, period. It says so multiple times in the Constitution and in state laws and federal laws explicitly. But they're not being enforced. If you have this exposure of the fraud, like the moon landing fraud and that the CIA killed Kennedy, people will start demanding that those laws be enforced. They were to protect the people against tyrannical government. And now every department of the government is tyrannical. This is the last chapter of my book. Moon man says, well, what to do about this mess? Which is to not allow the President of the United States to appoint the heads of the FBI, the fda, EPA, or whatever, have those elected from within. You could even have Congress and the Senate no longer elected, but chosen by lottery. The first democracy 2,000 years ago. They chose their representatives by lottery. You can choose by lottery people in a trial deciding life or death. Right. 90% of Americans wanted to know whether a product they were swallowing contained GMOs. The president vetoed. It wouldn't have 90% of Americans agreed on anything. Right. So if 90% of Americans cannot have their way, then this is not a democracy. You see that? So we have to have a completely reform of the government and Exposing the moon landing fraud would be perfect to show people how bad it has become.

How do you feel when people label you a conspiracy theorist?

Well, it doesn't matter. It sounds like those are from people who are completely close minded. I talked to a college professor who teaches aerospace at one of America's most prestigious universities. I showed him all this proof that the moon landings are fake. He said he'll never recant the glorious moon landings. And I said, well, what if you saw an Apollo astronaut tearfully confess on national TV it was fake. They did film it at Cannon Air Force Base. What would you say then? The professor said he still think the moon landings are real anyway. Those type of people do not have an open mind. They're not worth even dealing with. The fact is half of all conspiracies or half of all crimes are conspiracies. Half are done in the emotion of the moment and half are plotted out in advance. When someone robs a bank, they plan it out. When someone does a killing, they generally plan it out. That's a conspiracy. That's what it is. There are conspiracies all the time. And that's what a lot of the federal laws are about, about the organized crime. They call it a conspiracy because they're organizing their evil deeds.

So Back to Area 51. Are there UFOs, are there aliens? Is that being covered up?

Well, oddly enough, I just released in time for the Joe Rogan interview. If you go to sabral.com there's a second book called Aliens from Planet X that I read myself in audio or print or Kindle. And it basically is 10 years of research I've done into quote, aliens. Again, my opinion of the JFK assassination are the experts opinion. And the top two UFO researchers, Jacques Valet and Alan Hynek have made the following conclusion after decades of research, which is, number one, UFOs are real. Number two, they're not from outer space, they're from Earth. And number three, they're demonic. The man who faked the moon landing, Nazi Von Braun, said before he died that the federal government is planning on faking an alien invasion. How many congressional hearings have there been about the fake moon landings? Zero. So the idea that they're going to trot out all these people about a government secret, now you know, hearings about it, is only to get people to believe the lie. So that's what these books are about. Go to sabral.com and you can read them.

So you're saying there are no aliens. They are. This is a story Created by government.

Well, there are aliens, but what are they? I believe that they're fallen angels who are masquerading as aliens. They're liars. The father of all lies. The reason why the whole world has fallen wasn't because of adultery or stealing or even murder is because of a lie, a lie being told. They did a blood test of every nationality about 20 years ago. It's called the Eve Project. And they were able to trace mankind's ancestry backwards with the new DNA technology. And they said every human on Earth who ever lived is alive or ever will live, came from one woman and no one before her, no evolution. She suddenly appeared, just like the Bible said. So the people around the world don't want you to believe in the Bible because then you might repent of the sin they're profiting from. He said, okay, well, that's true, but we were made by aliens from outer space rather than God. And if aliens are really fallen angels and their leader is Lucifer, what they're really saying is mankind was made by Lucifer instead of God. And I think it's In Isaiah, chapter 13, I believe, that says Lucifer wanted to ascend to the throne of God and take credit for creation. And now that's exactly the latest theology.

Wow. So what do you think of David Icke, for example, you know, who says that there are these lizard people that are controlling the world. What do you think of his theory?

Well, I'd say there's truth to that. When a heavenly being comes to Earth and maybe is cursed, maybe they become, you know, lizard. Like my book Moon man is interactive. There are 17 links. You can see them for free@sabrell.com I write a chapter and I say, go to link one. So you know what I'm talking about. Link twos and so forth. One of the scariest links to me, and I'm the one who put it together, I think, is link 4, where it shows a 1970s sign off where they showed the national anthem when the, you know, TV station went off the air for a few hours. And they showed the Lincoln Memorial and Statue of Liberty. And they have the lyrics of the national anthem going at the bottom of the screen. And when they change, there's kind of like a ripple effect, venetian blind kind of effect, transitioning one verse to the other. If you slow it down crystal clear, it says, consume, Obey, consume government. God, do not rebel. Just like that movie they Live, that came out a decade or so later, that there are entities here, but they're not extraterrestrials from Another planet. They're interdimensional beings. Jesus appeared in a room without walking through a door and then he disappeared. He's interdimensional. And that's what the top two UFO researchers said. The aliens are actually demonic and they're interdimensional.

Wow. Do you think Elon Musk is net positive or net negative for humanity?

That's a great question. I was thinking about that earlier today. You know, prior to him being the President's right hand man, I could understand him not telling the truth about the moon landing. He knows we didn't go to the moon. He said so on several occasions, indirectly. He said in order to, quote, return to the moon, we have to make at least eight fuel trips first. And this is with a rocket taller than the moon rocket. So that's saying it. Then he said the Apollo missions are a technological and historical anomaly out of place. That says it. And then to land a rocket vertically with 600 million times the computing power of the lunar lander, it blew up the first five times. So how did they land it vertically in 1969? Every time in a row. Right, with 1,600 million computing power. That's saying it. Also, he needs NASA's cooperation to launch anything over 100ft, so he's not going to bite the hand that feeds him. But that was prior to Trump being President. He says he wants to get rid of government corruption. Is there anything greater than an equivalent of $250 billion to fake a moon landing than corrupt? Come on, Elon Musk, prove that you're anti corruption by exposing the moon landing fraud. Otherwise you're not really anti corruption.

And do you think he will?

I don't know. That's a great question. I hope he will. And I have to lean toward. I think he's sincere. To be quite honest, I think he is sincere and it will embarrass America. But the other alternative is to tell lies to school children, tell lies to college students, and have the deep state evil people win by propagating this lie throughout history. You gotta set the record straight. Plus it would unify the Republican and Democrats to give the President a chance to clean house when they see how bad it has become by the faking of the moon landing.

Can you think of any other major government cover up that really concerns you that we haven't covered already?

Well, probably fluoride and water. You know, I had a friend who told me the moon landings were fake long before I believed him. And he's like, you know, Bart, you better get a Water distiller. I'm like, what are you talking about? And so apparently it's just coming out that fluoride lowers IQs in children. And of course, if the citizens have lower IQs, they're not going to rebel against the government as much, are they? And they're going to be more complacent. So I would say health. Having poison in our water, poison in our air, poison in our food, GMOs, causterility. There's been a 65% decrease in fertility rates since GMOs were introduced. And that's even in the Bible. Leviticus 19 says, don't cross breed species. And when you do it anyway and take a horse and a donkey to get a mule, the mule is sterile. It's right there out in the open. GMOs are bad for you. That's why the president vetoed 90% of Americans wanting to know contains GMOs. And then the latest law, law, if they pass, it will say, contains no detectable amounts of GMOs. Well, that doesn't mean they're not there, does it?

How do you remain positive? You seem. Your energy, you smile, you chuckle. I wonder if I knew what you know, I wouldn't be as positive as you. How do you maintain your positivity in life?

Well, I. I believe with all my heart that God made the universe and that life has become. Maybe it wasn't to be initially, but a test of faith and a test of loyalty in God. If we're selfish, if we hold on to protect ourselves. Jesus says, if you hold on to your life, you'll lose it for eternity. And if you're willing to forfeit it temporarily, you'll gain eternal life. So I believe in that. I believe everything is good for those who believe in God. It says that in the book of Romans, all things, including seeming tragedies, work for the good of those who love and serve the Lord. You know the film A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, which was financed by a millionaire who builds rockets for NASA, who knows it's fake, which is on the homepage of sobral.com, we open up with the Tower of Babel. Until 200 years ago, the greatest accomplishment of technology was the tallest building. They're still doing it today. And Jesus said, start a tower and to not finish it is proclaiming yourself a fool to everyone. The Tower of Babel was never finished. And then we showed the Titanic, the largest machine ever built in the 20th century. And they had the audacity to say the ship that God himself could not sink never made one voyage. Tower of Babylon, never completed. And then Richard Nixon, when he knew they weren't there, said putting a man on the moon is second in greatness only to God making the universe. The fake moon landing is a blasphemous lie. I believe spiritually the truth will come out to shock mankind, to show us how far we have fallen and give us the chance to make a world a better place.

So just to be clear, are you saying the Titanic and it sinking wasn't real?

Oh, no, I'm saying it was real. The point is, they made a boast in publicity posters that said the ship that God himself could not sink. The point is the Tower of Babel was to reach the heavens. It was never finished. The Titanic, they boasted that mankind's machine is stronger than God, never made a voyage, and that Richard Nixon, when he knew the moon landing was fake, nevertheless said because it sounded realistic, that it was second in greatness only to God making the universe. Look what we've done. The Bible says people worship the work of their hands. That's why people will not see the truth about the moon landing fraud. They're worshiping it. It is the God of science. It is the God of pride. Well, the fact is, the smartest AI in the world just said last year that the pictures that they claim was taken on the moon in the 60s were all done in a television studio, that the pixels do not line up with the foreground. They're fake backdrops. The smartest AI, the messiah of technology, just said the moon missions were fake. Why didn't the media cover that one? Even if you know they're wrong, it'd be an interesting story. They didn't cover that. So either Google's 10 billion dollar 10 year, you know, investment produced a piece of junk, or the moon missions are fake. You see, they don't want the public to know because it's the most powerful thing to end corruption, is exposing it.

This show is called Disruptors. I want to thank you for being on the show. Would this be about episode 1350, Kelsey? Something like that. So what does the word disruptive mean to you, Bart? And are you disruptive?

Yes, I am disruptive and always have been. And there's a few instances where that's a positive thing. Most of the time, you know, it has a negative connotation, disruptive, but. But there is a positive quality to it. You want to disrupt crime, you want to disrupt lies, you want to disrupt corruption, you want to disrupt a car that's heading off of a cliff. And that's our world and our government. And in your case, disruptors is a good thing.

I really appreciate you coming on the show, Bart. If we were to follow you on one social channel and if we were to get one of your books, which ones would they be?

Well, just go to sabrell.com that's S as in SAM, IB as in BOY R E L sabrell.com if you could. Rob, just link it in the description of your uploads and you'll see Moon man, the true story of a filmmaker on the CIA hit list, which goes into the moon landing fraud and my other book about aliens from outer space. And then actually my wife just pointed out I have this third. I did a children's book that just came out called the Great Earth Hoax and this is about the moon people faking a trip to Earth. If you want to get one for your kids, here they are cheering the moon people cheering the, you know, the trip to Earth.

But thanks a lot for being on the show. It's definitely been eye opening and really appreciate you taking the time.

Thanks for linking it and I hope people keep an open mind to the truth and maybe the truth will come out for the benefit of mankind.

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