Jeremy Kyle | The Most Hated Man in the World?

Jeremy, how did it feel to get blamed for someone's death after your show?

It's a really interesting question because I have to say that I, I've thought about that so many times over the last five years and that's the most important thing to say to you. Somebody died. I know now as I perhaps knew all the way through, but perhaps it's now out there. There were many reasons that, that Steve diamond sadly took his own life. It was not down as the, as the coroner said, what, six weeks ago to ITV or the Jeremy Cow show, but you become Target. And I think if you're doing a show like that that's quite vociferous, quite raw, you put yourself out there. It was a difficult time, not just for me. It was difficult for 100 kids who worked their asses off and lost almost everything overnight. I guess if you're at the helm of that, certainly if your name's on it, then you, you, you expect to get criticism. It was pretty full on for a while, I have to say, and, and for me, there will be plenty of people who would say, ah, he deserved it. He had that coming television show. As I said at the time, I, I, I, I, I played a person I didn't select after care do any of that with the guests. I met Steve diamond, tragic Steve diamond for 11 minutes. And for him and his family, it, it's so sad that that happened, but it was really important that the truth came out. Five years was far too long. Covid, of course, the legal system and people who I will not get involved with criticizing ever, you know, all put their two Pennyworth in. And in the meantime, I was, I guess you'd say, understandably, the man that got blamed for everything, to be fair.

And so that whole inquest took five years.

It did, for all sorts of reasons, some of which I can talk about, some which I can't. Covid. I mean, just people saying things and they're not backing it up and legally it was such a big thing. And I get it. I mean, I, you know, I understand why the coroner perhaps now was as methodical as he was, because, you know, you've got a large conglomerate and a family, but the family obviously had a reason for doing what they were doing and it was really important for me to be able to speak the truth, defend my position, but I couldn't do that while the legal process was on. So unlike other people who you might have seen on television or situations like that, I didn't say anything, I didn't do an Interview. I didn't go on social media. I kept my mouth shut because I felt out of respect for Steve Diamond. That was the right thing. And of course, like I just said to you, if you're, if you're the host and they assume you're on telly and you've got money and your life's wonderful, it doesn't, it doesn't, doesn't matter what I think. I can tell you that some of the dark days were awful, the darkest I've had, but nobody gives a damn about that and understand that I'm fine with that. It's cool.

Well, you're here and I'm talking to you and I do care about those things because you're a human being and a person like everybody else. Was it hard to not be able to put your point across for that time?

And, and, and of course, whilst the world judged and programs were made, you know, Channel 4 Dispatches program and, and, and, and there were, you know, countless newspapers and I get it, I get it. I work in the business. You can't stick your head above the parapet and expect, if you're doing something like that, you can't go, oh, I expect 100 of the time people are going to go, he's great 50, you know, think I'm great 50, think I'm the worst thing since sliced bread or did. So I get that. But not being able to put your two Pennyworth in and, and then, and then getting ill and again, I, I said this once and everyone's like, oh, that's easy to say. I mean, I think one of the, the good things that's happened in this country, the world in the last few years is that people can now talk about mental health, right? And they never could. It was like it was, it was a. No, no, it showed weakness. So that was really good. But I was me, the one who used to poo poo antidepressants and say, come on, what did my mum used to say? Get off your backside and go back to work. I couldn't get, I couldn't get out of bed for three months. And if it hadn't been for my wife who literally saved my life, I would never have gone and seen somebody. And I found myself, me, I found myself on antidepressants. I found myself literally not able to go out, terrified by what the reaction would be. And so, you know, nothing. I wasn't, I, I never found myself in a place that Steve did and many others. Sounds, no, just really for somebody who lives off, you know, 24 hours a day. Never sleeps more than four to six hours a night and has been at it for however many years, 60 next year. Haven't got too much of a complex. It was really, really interesting. Weird. Scary to be. I can't even say the word. Energy. Less. I don't know, just knackered the whole time and down and not motivated. Not wanting to read or watch television or have conversations. Just. Just. Just wanted to go to sleep.

So do you think it gave you a sense of sympathy or empathy for other people's mental health challenges when you had your own?

I absolutely do. And that's the point I just made. But I also. I can't ever lose the honest tag. I think, for every single person who is unable to talk about their mental health. I think we also have to be really careful in this country that it now doesn't for some become an easy label on which to attach themselves. Because you know what I'm saying, suddenly everybody has anxiety, which is probably true, talking about it. There are. There are many, many, many people who have suffered in silence. I just don't want it to go the other way so that everybody says, you know, somebody says, how am I my job? You're not very good. I'm sorry, I'm going to have to take a week off. I'm suffering with anxiety. There's a difference between that. You know, it can never be used as an excuse, but for me, it was an eye opener for, you know, it was, wow. And I think. I think what happened was the show finished in May, I think, and if you. 15 years of my life had been literally timed. Car here, studio there, five shows, get on a plane, do this. And all of a sudden that's gone. And I think I was all right. The first month was horrendous. And I disappeared to my best mate's house up north. Cause it was horrendous. And then the summer came and the kids were there. Cause of. I told you a fair. I've got more kids than Boris Johnson's. Ridiculous.

More than Elon Musk.

I don't know how many Elon Musk.

I think is 10 or 12.

All right, well, he's obviously got more than Lehman, hasn't he? But I think I've. When I say I think I've got six, I think so no need for a DNA test. You just thought I was going to put that in. And then. So the summer, you're sort of the kids, when it hit me was September, October, November, when everybody went back to work and suddenly There was no schedule in my life. And so by the time lockdown came, I'd been in lockdown for six months. I remember just. Just not being able to leave the house. And so, yeah, she dragged me victed to a. To a do. And. And that was, that was the good thing. And it was all. At that point, everything was piling in and I, and I'm writing a book at the moment with the help of a man who can write because I can't. And I remember saying to him something like, you know, one minute you're the king of the castle, the next minute you're not allowed in the castle grounds. And that's good. There's plenty of people that will listen to this and go, good, good. Bastard shouted at people for years and was this down the other. But you asked me from my point of view, and it was a real life changer. Looking back now, I then had my, my son in January of 2020 and so that was wonderful. And I was able to nurse my old man literally every day for two years. We laughed until he. I mean, I say we laughed. We did. He was a bugger. But. But all of those things wouldn't have been possible. And that gave me confidence, but I didn't ever think that it would change somehow. I was just stuck in this. I don't even know how to describe it.

Wow. So you've opened up about four things.

I'd like to talk about.

The first one was you mentioned that 100 kids, it. So are you saying this thing happened and then bang, you're off the air, you've lost everything, it's all gone.

I was very lucky. I'd signed a contract before. That's fine. I wasn't talking about me, I was talking about these kids who had worked their asses off. And one of the good things about.

You mean the crew, the people who were involved in the show? Yes, there's 100 people involved in the Jeremy Carl show.

There were. And these who had mortgages and everything. Yeah. The show ends overnight and so obviously they have the opportunity to look elsewhere. But you, you know, I suppose if you asked me my thoughts seriously on that morning, it was, oh, my God, a man's died. How does that. You know that. How does a poor man get to that position? That's my first theory. My second thing is those kids, I didn't think about. I didn't think about myself. That's for the reasons that I said to you. But yeah, they lost their livelihoods and, and many of them struggled with that to a degree, but they got on with their lives. But I think, you know, you also have to step back and you have to go 15 years. The Jeremy Carr show was on. It was a bike. It's a bygone era. You can't say shit anymore without somebody writing a letter of complaint to hr. It was a very honest, direct, raw show that was the most popular television, itv, daytime television or the daytime television program probably ever.

Wow.

And that says an awful lot, doesn't it? Because all the people who jumped up and down, you want to have an argument and say, so you're telling the people that watched it that they're wrong. Are you just blaming me for everything that went on in the world? It was a television program. Switch the button off. But, but yeah, the kids, the kids were a phenomenal. We, we had a, we had a thing on car where I think something like exact percentage. But 90 of kids that started as runners ended up as producers. So they were invested in it. One million.

Wow. And do you think a show like the Jeremy Carl show could exist today?

No, no. Said this during the, the coroner's court. It's a bygone era.

Yeah.

I don't think the advent of social media, I mean there's an interesting point which you love and somebody made this to me the other day. Ofcom controls television quite rightly, that over 30, 000 people came on the Jeremy Carr show. Not a whiff of trouble. Criticisms occasionally. Right. What happened to Steve diamond was a tragedy and, and, and so sad. And yes, there have been other things on other programs, but the Jeremy Carr show actually would not have lasted for 15 years. It wouldn't have lasted through 30,000 people unless the procedures and the practices were in place were really, really. And I mean this second to none. And that is a point that you always want to say to people because it lasted a long time. But no, not today. Of course not. Can you imagine X Factor now? Can you imagine when Simon Cowell was. I'm sorry, you can't sing and I don't like your dress. Oh my God, I've got anxiety. That's what we're talking about here. People always say to me about Jeremy Cowell. They go, well, those people, these people once, somebody once said to me, I said this as well. A guy came off stage, how do I do? I said, you did fine. He said, you know what? In my state, like it's cooler to be on Kyle than get an Asborough. And I just think that's a great line. Right. So when when the. The bed wetters, as I call them, the liberals, jump up and down and they go, oh, my God, it was. It was terrible. That's their opinion. They're entitled to that. But go and ask the 30, 000 people that came on it, and go and ask the millions that watched it. And so it was a bygone era. No, it wouldn't be on today. Of course it wouldn't be on today, But.

But it canceled in five minutes, you mean?

Yeah, but then, you know, my heroes, Ricky Gervais is desperate to be canceled. I didn't set out to be canceled. I didn't even really. There was no sort of, you know, there was no sort of sitting down and planning how that show evolved. It just evolved. And for many now, that wouldn't and understandably be palatable, but it was incredibly palatable, I think, at that time. You know, it was. It was. It was successful. But we can look now. But, but here's my point. I was going to say Julie Burchell wrote it, the Spectator the other day, I thought was brilliant. She said, you know, shows like Kyle were governed by Ofcom. They lasted as long as they did social media, X, as was Twitter. The pylons, the crap, the abuse, the uncontrolled, unadulterated abuse that people give each other. That's far worse, and that's going completely undetected, isn't it? The stuff that happens online I think is far worse nowadays or on the way to being than anything you would see. And I'm not even talking about my show. I'm talking all sorts of things. Benefit Street. You take, you don't pay. We'll take away all that stuff. It was a different time. And I think we now live in a world where we always. I mean, you can see it, can't you? We always look back. I have arguments with my 21 year old because she'll say, that's outrageous. I know everything. We don't know everything. Do you? And I'm not going to apologize for the rest. I'm not going to apologize for what your grandparents taught me. Okay, not everything. I'm glad you've got an opinion, but you don't know everything in the world. So I. I don't want to be an apologist. The Jeremy Carr show happened. I'm sure for many people it was amazing. For some people, more other people, it wasn't. You had a chance to watch it or not watch it. What happened to Steve diamond was an absolute tragedy. But it wasn't down to Me or the Jeremy Carl Show. There were many issues. You can say, should he have come on the Jeremy Carl Show? And if you read the coroner's report and you know the facts, we received a letter signed by his GP saying he was good to come on. So, you know, we did all of this in court. And so for me, I will forever be sad that Steve diamond took his own life. I know it wasn't. I met him for 11 minutes, right? I mean, I, I, afterwards, I sort of went through this stage where I thought, they're going to blame me for, like, you know, income tax rises, ooping cough, the problems in the Middle East. I mean, I. There's a great story that my manager, Claire, loves to show in the middle of the Jeremy car show. You'll love this. I've never told him this. GQ magazine did a. The most hated man in England. No. In the world. It was the world, wasn't it? And Pol Pot came forth and Adolf Hitler, you can see where this is going, came fourth and Saddam Hussein came third and I came second and Sadd, who said, no, what was his name? Osama bin Laden came first. And when they killed Osama bin Laden, I got it posthumously. And she rang me and she. You can't even bloody well win that, can you? Joking. But, but what I'm trying to say is it, it was a show and people get so wound up about that and I get it, I get it, but there was a lot more to the Jeremy Cart show. The Jeremy Caster put thousands of people into detox and rehab. There are thousands of people in this country who now know who their parents are, their fathers are. That doesn't mean it justifies the times when it was raw and sad and shouty and upsetting and all those things. But it was a television show. Was it?

But how does it make you feel being on the top of the most hated people in the world list?

But I. But I'll give you an example about why I told you that story. About four weeks into the show, somebody said, oh, we got the first press cuttings. Charlie Booker. Do you know Charlie Booker? No. He's married to Connie Huck. He did that show and he writes. Anyway, so there were two articles which they bought me. In this moment, I realized that you should never read the newspapers if you're ever on television. Ready? Charlie Booker, Right. Watching the Jeremy Kyle Show. Is that appalling? I would rather either break my arm or drink a vat of cold cat sick. I'll never forget this. He said, I would Lie awake in my bed at night wondering if Jeremy Cowell was going to come into my room and quite possibly attack me. And in another newspaper that remained on this, the television person put, oh, my God. Jeremy Kyle wears television like a second skin. He's the most genius television presenter who's ever been on. And I remember my manager at the time going, both of them are shit, really, aren't they? To be fair, neither are actually things you should be taking advantage. Just, just, just. And they're on the wall in the study because they're both. Sum up for me, right? It was a job, it was a show. We did it to the best of our ability. It brought some enjoyment, it brought some anger, it brought some reaction. And then I went home.

Was it 15 years, though?

15 years, long time. Nearly 4,000 shows. And of course, America for two years as well there.

I'd like to talk about that in a moment. Yeah, I don't often reflect in the middle of a interview that I do, but I'm getting this real sense that you. You handle all this criticism and hate in a really calm, stoic way. I saw Obama said, if you can get half of America to hate you, you can become president. And that was like, wow, how do you handle it Calmly and just hold it.

That's why I told you the story about when I had the breakdown. I didn't, I didn't say it to people at the time so they could go, oh, poor him. I got that. But that's not the point. I have had. I'm really lucky. Forget the job, forget all of that. I have an amazing wife, amazing kids, and I have people around me who listen. My mates don't give a toss about television. And they, they, they were there for me, the people. And, and we were talking about this earlier and, you know, I had a. I had a very famous phone book that stopped ringing, which is fine, but you find out who real people are. Maybe that's part of life. Maybe. Maybe at 55, when you've been doing this crazy stuff for 15 years. And like I said to you, there's always a car, there's always a flight, there's always, you know, I mean, all this stuff, right? I brought it back to basics, you know, I never went to the opening of an envelope. I wasn't interested in, in, you know, being seen here, there and everywhere. I did my show and I went home. And being a dad and being a husband and being a son and being a mate was the most important thing. And those people got me through it. From, you know, just, just, Yes. I can't even. They just got me through it. They got me through it. And I, and I, and I, yeah, I get the people who would say, oh, you know, you've, you've handled that. I, I, I, I, I said to somebody the other day, in 12 years from 2012, my marriage broke down, I lost America, I lost my job in England, I lost my home, I lost both of my parents, I had cancer and I lost my job. But guess what? I've never ever not felt better. That's the wrong thing. But it does and has shown me with real friends and real people that you can get through. And I'm in a much better place as a person, if I'm honest. And you can look back and go, jesus Christ, did I, But I listen, the Jeremy Carr show was a massive part of my life. I won't ever apologize for. It was extraordinary. It was extraordinary television for many, many people. Of course, it shone a light on a part of society that the bedwetters don't like. Oh, people on council estates. But there's the argument with Love Island. You can keep Love island, can you? Because you've got a six pack and perfect teeth. It just doesn't make any sense to me. But I don't need to get embroiled in that. I'm in a really good place and I've learned the value of, of real people. I have to say, great friends, great friends. Fair, isn't it? Yeah, so, so yeah, it did affect me, but you got to be slightly impervious to it. It's like Piers Morgan, my dearest friend. It's like water off a duck's back. Yeah, well, you taught me a lot.

You said out there that. Because I said, you've had a couple of challenges and you said, I eat challenges for breakfast.

I think you have to learn to, don't you? I have had a couple of challenges, but then there are kids because you're gonna just. You think I'm terrible. Look, look what's happening in the world. Look at, look at, look at. Pensioners, they're going to freeze this winter. Look at, look at. Honestly. And I. A lot of that is down to my parents. There's a story that I told in the book about my mum and I remember one day I was a salesman and I was really into it, but I found myself waking up at like 3 o' clock in the morning writing things on post it notes. So I knew my brain was fried and I. They lived in the west country and I must have been driving through one day and I went in and she, she had a back to me. She always had her back to me. She was peeling potatoes about 4 o'cl afternoon. She went, what do you want? And I said, oh, I just took a cup of tea, I'm stressed. And she went, sorry. And I went, stress, mum meetings, whatever. And she went, stressed, you're not stresses without turning around. I went, yeah. She went, it's doing your homework in an air raid shelter in the Second World War. Now off back to work. And for me, being really serious, that was how I was brought up. And so letting go a little bit with the people that you love and the people who've been there, you keep going, don't you? There's a lot of people who have had terrible things. So I got blamed for something that wasn't my fault. Sit. It's okay.

And is that why you mentioned before about maybe some of the mental health issues have gone a bit soft or people.

You know, I never thought that I would admit that I couldn't get out of bed for the best part of three months. I never thought that I would admit that I was an antidepressant. And I knew when I did that I would be, would be criticized. And that's fine.

Yeah.

What I'm saying is I think it's really important to speak. Really important. And, and it's not even me being contentious. I just think we have to be careful that it isn't hijacked. That's what by, by certain bit like much is much. You know, there are problems in this world and this country that, that are genuine problems that. That other people will hijack and that's not right. I think it's really important, the mental health issue, to talk about it as much as possible. But, but, but they're also. We don't got to sound like my old man. You don't want to lose your grit, do you? You've still got to also get up and try and get on.

So I might come back to that part. But, but I'm fascinated. And actually, this is probably not the most interesting question I've. I've got, but it's the one I'm the most interested in, which is what was the goal, the vision for the Jeremy Kyle show and do you think you achieved it and what's its legacy?

See, that's a really interesting question. I mean, I got the Jeremy Car show by default. I didn't really. I'd never been in a television studio and they called me I was working on radio and they asked me to do an audition. I was driven in the dead of night to Norfolk, which is in itself quite scary, as you can imagine. And I found myself in this studio that was obviously Trisha's studio, who was leaving to go to Channel five. It's like a shrine to her. The microphones had her face on, the walls were adorned with pictures of her and you had to go on stage and. And it was a real couple and it was a girl who was suffering from anorexia and a bloke. And I told a story to this girl, a friend of mine had been in that position. She started crying and I walked off stage and got tissues and then he was crying anyway. And then I went home and. Because I didn't know what I was doing. We had this chat before about the. The bit between the seats and the stage is no man's land. I was so naive as. I'm going to be blown up, there's probably a booby trap. I literally knew nothing about it. And then several months later, they. They rang and they said, we'd like you to come to itv. You've got the job. And I was like. So we didn't sit down and go, right, this is how we're gonna do it. Very early on, I remember uttering a line that. That came from nowhere. A guy said, I can't even remember the story. And I said something like, do you want me to lie? Do you want me to be honest? And he said, no, I want you to be honest. And I said, well, I don't know what I said. And he went, it's a bit harsh, but thanks. And the audience went nuts. And I think at that point we thought, well, honest is quite a good thing. But it was. It was never. Listen, it was a raw journey. Of course, people were like, people remember the Jeremy Carr show, you know, me being. Shouting at people. But they should also. They won't remember the shows. We did Make a Wish. They won't remember all the stuff that we did, but they don't remember the. The detoxes and the rehabs and the. And the drug, all of those things. But you can't. It was a television show that provided, in my very honest and proven opinion, levels of care, concern and selection that had never been done on other programs. But unfortunately, what happened with Steve diamond, does it tarnish? It just. I don't know. But I mean, what you. You talk there in your question about legacy, there's no legacy from the Jeremy Carson. My legacy is if my six kids can say he was actually all right. I don't. I don't. Television was never the be all and end all for me. I love it, strangely and weirdly, I can do it. I never thought I could. I never thought about it. Why did I want to be on television, for Christ's sake? I never thought about that. But. But, no, this is not legacy. I don't. I don't see that at all. My parents taught me legacies. If you're a good parent.

No, well, I mean, things need to be built. I. I imagine someone who builds hospitals has live.

Yeah, that's amazing. Legacy. Yeah. Build a cancer hospital, do a television show. It's hardly similar, is it?

I'm asking you.

No, I. I mean, that doesn't. That doesn't deride the people that worked and other people that came on it. But as a person, I would never want anybody to go. Ironically, of course, I know what you're saying. They'll. There will be a section of people that will forever say, you did that. Jeremy Cash. It's strangely, the public don't say that. The public go, God, I watched that Fay Day. Or, oh, that was my guilty pleasure. Or don't tell me mother, or my mother loves you. Oh, my mother loves you, Jess. Jeez. Did. We did the drinking game at university. Every time he did a phrase, we had a shot by 8:30. Really great, brilliant. But I don't. It was the part of my life that was extraordinary and ridiculous and we went to America and all that, but I don't look at it like legacy. I thought. I don't know if you've interviewed. I mean, I. I've never really interviewed people from the television, if I'm honest, but have any ever sat in front of you and said my show would be my legacy? I think not. I hope not. If they do. I don't know, but certainly not me. I wouldn't say it.

I find it more common with entrepreneurs.

Yeah, get that. Well, yeah, because you're building something sustainable. Actually, the ironic thing about what you're saying is, is that Kyle lasted for 50, 15 years. That's a hell of a long time. My best mate that I told you about created Sage. I mean, there's a legacy to create a computer program that's used as accountancy for. I mean, I was in Portugal the days he's the godfather to my young son, and we were buying him a little present and the woman went to pay for it in the Tic Tac shop in Portugal, and it was Paid by sage. And I thought, Jesus, the man gets everywhere. So that. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

So it's not necessarily just being a parent that's your legacy, is it? It could be more.

For me, my legacy is what I'm talking about when I said about parent. I'm talking about me.

Yeah.

In terms of the Jeremy Car Show, a television show, you know, a radio program, a podcast. For me, my legacy, if I. If I get anything, is that my six kids. But for other people that do really tangibly brilliant stuff like you said, build hospital, create a computer program, find peace in the Middle east, find a cure for cancer, all those things. Jesus Christ. Television shows now does it?

What would you put on your CV as job title? Jeremy Kyle? I've written a few words here. What would you put on as your CV as what you are, what you do?

Can talk a lot. Weirdly good listener, Opinionated, direct. I'm going to give you something that will make you laugh. Soft as butter underneath. You don't believe me, do you?

I think I do.

Complete.

I think I do, yeah. Yeah.

Loyal, outspoken, passionate, deliberate. But everybody knows I've got ocd, so heavily organized all the time.

Yeah.

Don't know. Aches a lot as old age approaches. Doesn't get a lot of sleep. But his knees hurt very much. More every morning now than they ever did before.

And would you give yourself a job title like TV presenter, entrepreneur, social commentator, anything like that?

Broadcaster, probably. Broadcaster, if I was thinking about it. Radio was my first love. Loved radio. Still love radio. Work now on talk, obviously, talk radio. And that's great because it's common sense and free speech. But I. Radio is an incredible media because that's, you know, it. I think it transcends all the products for television. I think it's just you, isn't it? And a microphone. And I think that, that, that connection is. Is something that I. And it was weirdly, after sort of two or three years after Kyle finished, Denny, my mate who runs Talk, brought me back and it was wonderful to go back on the radio and I would. I would forever want to do more of that and continue to do that, because I can see myself at 70 in my shed in the garden with an ISDN line, just doing one show a week because that's. That's really. I remember being a music jock and he called me in the old boss and he said, you're the worst music jock in the history of the world. And I went, great. And he went, because you talk too much. But let's do a. Let's do a late night phone and show. And we did. And that was where it all started. And so talking to people, always been able to do that.

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Cheers. Water?

Do you want some more?

No, I'm fine.

I'd also like to thank you early because this is the first one of these I think you've done.

Yeah, I, I think the, what I said at the beginning was really important. I couldn't, couldn't legally and didn't want to, out of respect for Steve Diamond' say anything whilst that was all going on. And also when you're in the, I'm gonna say the confines of, of a show that is like, I mean, there were so many of them. Okay.

I mean, the daytime TV shows, I.

Mean, I make five a day, right?

You were making five shows a day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Five shows a day. At the height of, the height of what I was doing, I was filming six months in England and making 300, taking one week solid and then flying to America and making 250 and coming home on Christmas Eve. Probably why I got canceled. And it becomes, this isn't. I tried to say this in the coroner's court. It's a disrespect. The Steve diamond story, to me was a normal, everyday story. There was nothing untoward. In fact, there were many more untoward stories. In terms of how that would sit in my head, I think when you do as much as you do, you become focused on this sort of routine. It's what I was saying to you before. There was always a car. I had to get up at 4am on a Thursday and I still getting up at 4am and I'd look out, there's no car. I was really like, like, what's going on? That's how the world changed. Not the trappings of going to whatever, which is all bollocks anyway.

Right?

I mean, it is, isn't it? I mean, they all get covered in makeup and they've all. Faces are all stretched and it's all lovely and fine and that's great. I've done a couple of those, but that was never my bag. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I had, I had a, a crazy 15 years, but I think I was lucky to. I think I didn't get into it till I was 40. Like, I always think about these kids who get into television at 21 and 22 to feel sorry for them. Do you get an agent, you get a PR person. You're going to go here, you're going to go there, you're going to get free clothes, you're going to get. It doesn't, doesn't last like that, does it? Really doesn't, you know your character is going to get axed or the ratings will go down. We lasted a long time and, and I think that that was, that was for all sorts of reasons. But beyond that, now getting back into radio and doing lots of different things and, and doing this. Because talking in court as I did was just the truth. And I don't. And then I did an interview with the sun and, and I've done this and I don't, I don't need to. No, I don't need to. Claire told me how good you were. Claire told me how good she'd been with Paris. And I just thought, you know what? It's, it's also part of it for me. I don't, I don't, I don't need to do it and I don't need to not do it. If I'm going to do it, I do it well.

That's why I wanted to take the moment, raise the glass and say thank you because I don't take that for granted at all.

Silly pleasure.

Right, where do we go next? Free speech. That's where I want to go. Because do you think it's changed? Do you think we still have free speech? Since you had the Jeremy Kyle for show for 15 years, is free speech even a thing now?

I think fundamentally free speech is really important, but what happens is that the whole area has been clouded, hasn't it? We live in a society now and I'm lucky enough to work on talk, and I see this every single day. There are extremes, there are factions. I think that activists that attach themselves to the latest pet project. I think you should be able to have an opinion. You take what's happening in terms of immigration in this country and I talk about this every single day. Whatever your opinion on that, 10 years ago we couldn't have mentioned immigration. And I say we. I'm talking about all of us. You'd have been labeled whatever, you would have been labeled racist. Yeah. And I think, I think. I don't want to get to a point where people are too scared to say what they think.

People that go to prison for.

Well, look, now, nowadays, you. Yeah, yeah. What did she get? 15 months, that woman, didn't she?

Yeah, and she wasn't the only one. There's thousands of.

And don't get me wrong, what she said was absolutely abhorrent. But in, in my mind, in terms of justice, it would have been a much better idea to say to her, right, you're going to spend six months integrating with the local Muslim community and understanding the difficulties that they've had and the problems they're. They're experiencing and learning how your words work are frankly disgusting. But if you live in a world, and I'm 60 now, right, where a woman can go to jail for 15 months for writing something abusive on Facebook and pedophiles can walk free from sentencing because, let's be honest, apparently that's the way it works. And I'm not naming names, but we all know who I'm talking about. I find that abhorrent. I find it wrong that, you know, we have. There are just many examples. I mean, what are they all using that phrase, two tier care and two tier policing. I just, for me, you should be able to say what you feel. Unless. And there are plenty of, you know, those riots were appalling and quite right that those thugs were lined up, arrested, tried and put in prison all within 24 hours on camera. That was quite interesting, wasn't it? But I had a woman phone me up on one of the radio programs and she said, I'm a nurse, never forget the call from. From Surrey. She said, I find the immigration situation incredibly annoying. I find what's going on the NHS even more annoying. And yet I can't go on the streets and moan about it because I'll be labeled a far right sympathizer and I'm not. I'm a taxpayer with an opinion. And so I think, I think that there is a problem there, certainly. And you only have to look at politics and you have to look at what's happening. But yeah, free speech is important, but we shouldn't set out to offend. But we've also got to be very careful that we don't. Whilst we're doing that and ticking every single box, we don't quash what I think is quite important, which is sort of. Of democracy.

Do you think we have democracy in this country?

Probably can't answer that without giving away my political preference, but democracy is based upon voting. Right.

Is there a reason?

I find it really, really. I find it really annoying. I don't care what your political persuasion. I don't like. I don't. I don't respect people who don't vote and then moan. I think you have to exercise your democratic right to vote. I think the quality of politicians in this country on all sides is absolutely at an all time low. And my mantra has always been, there are millions of people in this country, take this as it's meant. I call them jams, just about managing. They go to work, he and the wife go to work. They never break the law, they never get a handout. Their kids don't misbehave, not very often. And they try and live their life by certain rules. They must look at our country sometimes and go, why the hell do I behave like that? I personally, probably. I don't understand why we're not prioritizing pensioners and, and service men and women who have given. That's just the way I am. Right. That doesn't mean that I don't. We shouldn't help as many people as we can, but we seem to be heading towards quite a fractured place in this country, I think.

Are you scared for your children?

It's a really good question. Somebody asked me about climate the other day and I was flippantly go, that's their problem. Solid. I'm going to sit in the sun. Do I. Do I worry for my children? They will. It's not my. That's not Mine or your bag. That's the next generation. I mean, we can spend our entire lives going on about climate change and how we should make it better. I just want. I had a policeman on the phone the other day, said to me that he got into being a policeman because, you know, he wanted to try and help, help the community. So if an old lady's house was burgled, right, he'd be able to go there for three hours, make her tea comforter, put a new lock on the back door. Nowadays, I had to leave, I get 11 minutes to fill out a computerized form and probably nobody goes to see her. And I don't feel I'm doing what I should be doing. I just think we've lost a lot. But then I'm quite. The old man was, was worked for the Royal Family was quite old fashioned. So I was brought up on what I call proper things. Like, you know, I'd open the door to a lady. You can't do that now, can you?

I still do.

Do, do you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did it, I did it some months ago, I. In a lift and she went, I'm fine, thanks. And I thought, see, you can't bloody win, can you?

Surely it's important too.

Well, that's how my old man taught me. That's a story. That's what I say to my daughter. You might, you know, we were. You can't, you can't, I mean, ask. I'm not going to apologize for everything I was taught. That's what I'm going to say. I don't see why the hell I should. Right. I'm sure there's plenty that I was taught or from the past that we should be apologizing for. And I'm pretty bloody sure there'll be quite a lot that this generation have to apologize for in 25 years. But those did me all right, and they did, you know. Do you know, I want to say that sometimes to them, do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. Because I do sometimes think about how, because sometimes, I must admit, I'm like the younger generation, maybe they've had it a bit easy, maybe there's some entitlement, etc, but actually I think imagine dating right now.

I mean, I don't even understand this. My daughter says to me, see, like Mary Claire's at the side there.

Imagine dating, right?

So like when I was a kid.

Permission to unstrap your bra?

No, no. And I know I've. I know I've kissed you, but we're not, we're not at this moment in time, we're official and we need to sign a contract. What the hell does that mean? No, no. And then we. We're not official. We are sleeping together. What? What does that mean? Now we are. It's happened this weekend. What's happened? We're now boyfriend and girlfriend. But you've been with him for six months. Yeah, I know, but it wasn't really. What, so in that time, he honestly, he was able to sleep. Well, she was with somebody else. Well, probably. As long as they've been honest about it. I would be absolutely bloody screwed. Online swipe here, do this. I'd. Honestly, I'd be single. Probably should. You know, after three wedding marriages, I probably would have done me good to her, but I just couldn't do it there. And they all spend so much time trying to find somebody. Just, we'll get on with your life and somebody will come in and it might work and it might not. That's it. Can't be doing with it.

Jeremy, we need to relaunch your show. All this on your show would be wild, mate.

They say things like, you know, somebody said to me the other day. So what we're doing is we're just planning. Planning how we're going to announce our relationship. How long have you been together? Well, eight months. But what we've got is we've got to try and understand that the way that we announce it will impact on how people perceive us. Oh, sod off. Honestly, going out with her. I'm going out with him. I'm not going. It's all gone wrong. It's gone tits up, end of story, whatever. Jeez. I can't. I can't. Can't.

Right, so we've done a bit of politics, we've done a bit about the kids. Why do you think Jeremy Carr was so popular for 15 years? What was it that it captured? What was it about?

Did you ever watch it? It.

Yes, I did.

Answer the question then.

Drama voyeurism, definitely voysm. Other people's trauma, but you're living vicariously through it and therefore make yourself feel.

Better about your own.

Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. And all sorts of things. I once. I once flippantly said that the best Jeremy Kyle episode ever would have been the Royal Family, because they're more messed up than. And no, I could do this on this is what I'm trying to say to you. And it's very easy for people and I get it to go, oh. Now, if you take into consideration there are hundreds of Thousands, millions of people in our country who don't have people to turn to can't have those sort of candid conversations. Most of us would have family members or friends. And I pointed that out when I was in a bad place. But for many of these people, I think Graham, my old sidekick from the Jeremy Carr show probably nailed it for me many, many, many years ago when he said he was born on a Rochdale council estate, one of eight, right, and he went, you know this show, it was like that every day and we either watched from behind neck curtains and twitched or we stood on front grass all along road to watch. And so, you know, this has been going on for years and long before the Jeremy car show. And so I think one of the things when it all finished was this. Hold on a second, I didn't create this is. It was. Do you know what I mean? I mean we are a nosy bunch of buggers, aren't we? It's like rubbernecking. It's an accident. You know full well if there's been an accident that the queue this side's going to be bloody longer because everybody does the old right hand turn or left hand. We are a nosy bunch of buggers, the, the, the human race, aren't we? And so again, a bit like when you said, did you plan it? We didn't sit down and go, right, so this democratic. Do you know there was some demographic evidence once, right, so do you know the two classes that work. I hate that word, you know, the ABS and all that, right, the working classes who watch the Jeremy car show. Do you know the other most loyal group? Group? The upper bleeding classes. And you know, why don't you got away with far more than anybody ever on the car show, but just got away with it because of who they were. I'm telling you, the old man worked for the Royal Family. Jesus, man, you could have done that show. Wow.

When Megan infiltrated that being on the Jeremy Cole Show.

Megan, how can you be so wonderfully accurate about that woman? Whoa, don't get me on a. Not a comment.

Well, are you a royalist? I don't like to label myself because there's so much of the world I don't know.

I am fervently royal.

I respect the Royal Family and what it's done for this nation. And just because you don't agree that that's the best way of rule. Okay, but then go be in a dictatorship if you want.

No. Well, ask yourself how much the President of the United States cost the American people And ask yourself still, despite its flaws, how much the British monarchy brings into this country.

Is it not a big. Is it not our biggest tourist attraction by a mile? Yeah.

My old man worked for the Queen Mother and he actually, before his death, said that he. It was. There was mystique in the era that he worked. Nowadays, the Royal Family use social media and do as much as everybody else, so you open yourself up for that. But in the days of the Queen Mother and the Queen and before, maybe a good thing, maybe not a good thing. Probably my daughter would say not, but. But it was. There was a mystique to it. But there's a lot about the Royal Family that was wonderful. I'll tell you what, I tell you who I'm a massive fan of. Who I think I. I call her Iron Kate. I think this woman is the link, but I think she's the future of the British monarchy. And I think for somebody. And people never understand when I say this, she was a commoner. For her to marry into the Royal Family was a seminal moment in my mind. A seminal moment. I have a massive amount of respect. I mean, the troll you talked earlier about, you know, the Jeremy culture, the Jeremy and I told you about social media, the stuff she got on social media and had to come out and admit she'd had cancer, was going through treatment. Disgusting. Right. None of that's controlled. People were saying heinous things to her pal. Heinous things to her and.

Why don't you like Megan?

I didn't say I don't like Megan. I can see exactly where it was.

But you squirmed.

I can see where it'll finish.

Where will it finish?

Well, he'll be back in England and she'll be in America with two kids. I said that five years ago and got slaughtered. Don't you think they will?

I don't know much.

I think he was very lost. I think he was very lost. Very affected, naturally, by his mother's desk. Who the hell wouldn't? I don't go with this spare shit. Sorry. I'm not bothered about that. You're still the most privileged person, bar one or two in the world. They got on great. William and Harry and Kate. I lived on the Long Walk in Windsor for seven years, so we only just moved. And so I saw the. The wedding. I saw the funeral was extraordinary. And I saw the coronation literally outside my door. My son was the fifth person. Person Oliver. In the world to lay flowers at the gates of Windsor Castle after the Queen had died. And we've got the picture. Extraordinary. I just think that he was. And I am going to struggle to find a phrase that will not get me into trouble. What? The second word is whipped. Do you know what the first word is?

I do, yeah.

I just think that this lonely boy, glamorous divorcee said and did everything right. I just, you know, I saluted them when they went, I don't want to be in this goldfish bowl. I want to go and live in California. I want my kids. I thought, you know what? Fair, fair play. And then you land in and You've signed a $112 million deal with Spotify to basically intrude on every part of your life that you've just moaned and bitched about you don't want in the public eye. And so at that moment, I'm like, well, that doesn't work, does it? That's a complete joke.

That really angered me. I've been podcasting for nine years. I've done 1150 episodes and they get just chucked 100 million. And she's just so disrespectful. Can't even produce any content.

Do you think that if you were in America and like Rogan, you'd, you'd, you'd interviewed Trump and endorsed him, do you think that would, would have, that would have helped Donald Trump? Do you think that you can be the next Rogan?

I think that Trump probably won the election based on being on Theo Fawn.

I agree.

Joe Rogan.

I absolutely agree with you.

Logan Paul. Yeah, I mean, he must have had, I'm gonna guess, 3 to 500 million views from about four or five podcasts.

Extraordinary, isn't it? Honestly, it's a, It's a really powerful thing. And, and, and that, that's. And, and, and, and actually it's, it's changed the way that people, you know, choice. I was telling, when, when we started working at News uk, after we both left itv, we set up Talk and we did the television show. And I remember people would say, how many people watch Piers Morgan? I was on a train to Southampton about three days later, and there were three men at separate parts of this carriage at midday or watching Piers's interview with whoever it was the night before. We've changed. We listen to podcasts, we watch stuff online. It's all about clicks. Is Meghan, if I'm honest, maybe I'm being harsh, but I think she had an agenda. All this. I didn't even know who he was. She did. I mean, I don't know whether she's a nightmare, as they say. She's a nightmare. That's not for me to say, but I'm very. I'm a royalist and I think she shows little or no respect. And my biggest bugbear is this. And I would strip the buggers of the Duke and Duchess titles if you don't want to be part of something. As I just said. Absolutely. But your only source of income is to maintain your titles while slagging off the very thing you're financially basing your lives on. You hypocritical bunch of. That's what, that's what annoys me. Leave be Mr. And Mrs. Whatever. Absolutely support you and salute you. But, but it's like, I'm gonna have it, I'm gonna slag it, I'm gonna, I'm gonna abuse it, but I'm gonna use it. That's. That's how I see it.

Yeah. Yeah. It's very sad.

Very sad.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Well, I think it'll divorce the Queen's legacy. Like if I had to pick one I don't like, oh, you know, who's your biggest hero? But I couldn't look much past the Queen.

Queen.

Never complain, never explain.

You know, what thing about the Queen. It was really, really, really interesting. Somebody said to me, an anti royalist, because we covered it all when she sadly died and we were interviewing and doing all sorts of shows and this person said to me, I'm not a royalist, but apart from my mum and dad, this is brilliant. She is, has, has been the only constant feature in my life for 63 years. And that's true. And the woman was phenomenal.

Right.

Right. It's never going to be like that again. Never ever, ever. I mean, Charles might last 10 years. William, I don't know, started growing a beard like you. I did. I don't know. But I just don't think Meghan Markle. I think she, she, she didn't respect it. And I think is. My point is don't be part of it. Go. Yeah. Don't use it to further your own. You know. But some people say, poor Megan, she's been really treated very badly. And, and it's not fair.

Well, all the hundreds of millions she's just been fronted Oprah Winfrey.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm. That was, that was a disgrace.

Oh. Note to self. Note actually to anybody listening to this, if you do decide to run for President of the United States or Prime Minister of England, being endorsed by a bunch of left wing. I heard this, by the way. You know, all these celebrities that endorsed.

You may get got paid.

He's ahead of me. Did you know this, Mary Claire? I didn't find out this gsa, all of these hypocritical, bedwetting lefties were paid to go out and support Karla Harris, weren't they?

Yeah.

Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Yeah.

And that. And listen, what does that say? Say the American people went, no, I'm not interested. Thank you very much indeed. I make my own mind about the economy and the cost of gas, whatever all of us think about Donald Trump. Unbelievable. Extraordinary example. But there you go.

Amen.

Yes. Let's make Britain great again. Yeah.

What did you learn about human behavior from 15 years running the Jeremy Carl Show?

It's interesting actually, because I guess if you look back at all of those stories and I said to you, some were very volatile, some were sad, some were raw, some were awful difficult to deal with. People are people, aren't they? So I said to you about the Royal Family. We, we all get upset. We all need to have a. Hopefully a dump every day. We all sit in the same way on the toilet. People eat different things, go to different places, do different things, but human emotions, amazing. We all have a sort of a level at which we're going to lose it and we all have opinions and people are fascinating though. I remember going to America and an interviewer answer asking me that. That. And, and it was no different across the Atlantic.

Just.

They just threw shoes at me. I mean, that was the only difference, you know, apart from everybody else a bit more. But. But human nature is. Is a strange thing. I could see correlation between many people, but they were always individual stories. I mean, these people would come on, they were good enough to talk and I would talk back. I did it on the radio for years just as confessions. And so it was natural to me. Natural.

Did you like People less or more. More with 15 years on the show?

What People?

People.

Oh, well, I only have one rule. I gave it my all when I got in the car at seven o' clock at night, having filmed 10 or eight or 10 shows in two days. Just don't talk to me for a day. Seriously. I get him. I'm sure my wife that. I just. I can't. Just don't. I can't. I can't. I'm so talked out. I don't want to talk to anybody about anything. I haven't got a freaking opinion or anything. I don't care if you're arguing. I go on the score and they go, jess, Jazz Day you know me husband. I don't want to know. Seriously, it's not my bag. The jump out of cars. Jez, my girlfriend. I think she's been. I don't care. I played in a golf pram once at the Belfry 10th tee. Famous people. 2, 000 people watching and golf's my passion. I got to the top of my back. So when somebody shout out jazz and my girlfriend shagging me best mate and I missed the ball. Honestly, I missed the ball. So you know, in the time and I said this once and people get upset. I gave it my all but after that I can't. There was too much of it to take each story home or each person home or each. How thy should I always did beginning, middle, end move on. Does that. Do you understand what I mean? Otherwise I go completely nuts. Because if I'm gonna. You know. There was too much.

Yeah. So we do a quick fire round on disruptors.

Yes.

Excited about this one with you, Jeremy.

Mary Claire's got that look on. Mary Claire's my agent. She's looking very concerned. You're great, by the way.

Oh, thank you.

I mean that.

You're great.

Great.

Thank you. What's the craziest thing that happened on Jeremy Kyle?

Craziest thing that happened on Jeremy Kyle. Wow. Can I come back to that one? Can we do that or not?

Of course you can.

How many have you got? Or 12. Yeah. Go back to that craziest thing on Jeremy Car. It's number two. It's incoming.

It's incoming. I'm just picking and chewing. I'd normally just do them in order, but this is a unique experience for me.

Okay.

A fun one. I know it was mostly ordinary people, but what one famous person would you have loved to have on the Jeremy Carl. So let me say that again because I it up. I don't normally edit myself, but. Get the question out, Rob. I know it was mostly ordinary people, but one what? One what?

Not you, because.

Yeah, yeah.

Can I just say something? Not you, because it had taken fucking ages to do the interview, wouldn't it?

I'm gonna leave this in now.

No, it's fine.

Yeah.

What famous person would I most like to have interviewed? Well, we did a lot of celebrity specials. I did Michael Barrymore, which was mind blowing. It was a mind blowing experience.

Do you think he was guilty?

See, I. I don't even know. But what I know is that a man, I mean, let's just get this right. He had 20 million viewers to strike it lucky on a Tuesday night, this was the biggest performer in England who obviously struggled with his sexuality and was in an environment where he had to keep going. Yes, of course, what happened was, again, an absolute tragedy and I don't know the facts because it's been a long time, but he ran away, didn't he? And didn't stay. And of course that started that whole procedure. But I remember interviewing him, I remember him saying he, you know, he was nearly at the end of his tether in terms of his life, and that was. I'd love to have interviewed Margaret Thatcher.

Why?

Extraordinary. I've only got one testicle because of testicular cancer. I think she must have had about 10. It's not funny that I had testicular cancer, is it? Is that what's funny? Or is it Margaret that's having 10 bullets? I don't know.

I like how you've taken this over now.

I know. And of course, because when I started working on torture, my hero was Michael Parkinson, who I can actually now admit to having seen naked, which was one of the most shocking things ever in a health club one day that I used to belong a member to, remember to in Surrey, and went and had a massage, came out to the change rooms at 3 o' clock on a Monday afternoon to be confronted by the back of what looked like quite an old man. And I'm minding my own business. And he turned round and he went, jeremy, it's so nice to meet this Michael Parkinson. And I'm absolutely. It's my broadcasting hero. And all I can do is look at his cop and I don't want to. I want to look at Michael Parkinson and think, oh, my God, amazing man, what a great man. Who would I like to have interviewed Margaret Thatcher?

Why?

Just think. It would have been fascinating what we were saying earlier about politicians. And I include Blair in this, a conviction politician who says, here's my mantra, here's what I'm saying do. I'm going to meet massive opposition. If you oppose it, I'll sack you. At the end of the day, I'll be pushed out. But this is what I believe and this is what I'm going to do. Powerful, powerful.

Maybe what's needed right now.

Why do you think your man got elected in America? I mean, all those things that people say about him are true, but he has basically said to a middle America, I'm going to make sure gas is cheaper, I'm going to make sure the immigration problem sorted and the food in the shops, it's not about, of course, you can talk about women's rights, the abortion subject. Of course, you can talk about. About gender identity and identity politics. But. But 80 something million Americans went. No, actually, like I said to you earlier, it's about our pay pack at the end of the week. Sorry.

Yeah.

You know, we're not gonna be told by. Billionaire pop stars have been paid a few million quid by. By the Democrats to say la la. So she always struck me like that. Blair struck me like that. Who else? Nelson Mandela. I would love to have interviewed Margaret Thatcher. Nelson Mandela. I don't know. I've interviewed quite a lot of them. They're only normal people, aren't they?

Well, you would know. I mean.

No, but, you know, I mean, some.

Of them aren't special in any way.

What do you mean special? Aura. Two people I know who have got a massive aura. Chris Evans. Unbelievable. What an aura. Walk into a room aura.

Yeah.

Cowl aura.

Right. Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't.

Again, I didn't go to the opening of Whatever. No, I didn't.

Not your thing?

Not really. Really. I used to go home and do the overnight feed or the dream feed or whatever it was on Child number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. I know. Should have put something on the end of it. I know. I've heard that. Absolutely. Yeah.

What's a secret you've never shared or a story you've never told?

My nickname at school was Kyle Pyle, Hemorrhoid. It's not funny, is it?

I was just taking a big intake of breath.

I used to. Kyle Pyle, Hemorrhoid.

Why?

Don't know. Know. Piles. This is honestly dreadful. Yeah. And I was. And. And people know this and they don't believe it. Shyest kid in the school till I was 15. Couldn't say my name without going bright red. You can't believe that's true. Think that about a lot of performers.

Yes.

Remember, the Good Life was a great program. Richard Briers would be physically sick before he went on stage. And what an actor. He was physically sick every time.

So your pursuit of your career is somewhat running away from the pain of your past.

Where did that come from?

Probably the last interview I just did.

I. I don't have any, you know, a difficult few years of no pain. I've been very lucky, haven't I? How can I. How can a kid from Reading who was an insurance salesman end up with that show and. And the things that I've done and seen and been. Yeah, I've had a few hiccups along the way. Lost A bollock. Lost a show. But yeah, I'm still here, mate. Very lucky. I think.

Do you think?

Still kicking.

Do you think that's a big part. I've probably three times picked up basically on. You feel grateful that you feel a sense of.

I'm proud of myself. I'm proud. But I will say I'm proud. There's been plenty many times in the last 10 years that I probably could have thought, Jesus Christ, I've been allowed to feel sorry for myself. That doesn't happen in our house. From my parents. I think you'd have to think about good fortune when you. When you've had the opportunities I have. There's millions of people that could have done what I did.

Yeah.

With it comes some bad times, but it's how you come out of it. But you redefine. What I'm trying to say is I. I remember again, people I said this once and they just slagged me off. But she's my wife. I remember when it. Always when it happened and I was devastated and Vic when. What's the worst thing that happens is the lovers will love, the haters will. Hey. We lose everything. We're going to live with my parents. I never had that. That was a mate. That's amazing thing to say. That takes everything off, right? Yeah, amazing, amazing. And then tells me to go and empty the dishwasher, obviously, because she's in charge.

So if you could have Jeremy Carl show back and it's airing tomorrow, would you do it?

No.

Why not?

Because it would never come back. It wouldn't be right. No, but it wouldn't. I don't think it will. I don't think. I. I do believe. Not in my lifetime. I do. And this is nothing to do with Jeremy Carr show. I believe that go in reverse to this apologetic council and he said the wrong word there. Culture. People are offended, all of that. I think that will. Will change.

I think they'll swing back.

I think it will swing back. I think people will. I. I tell you what, I tell you the premise that I put this on. This is a good one for you, Mary Claire, you love this. I worked in radio a long, long time and in radio in the old days we would do like Zoo Radio when Chris and I were on Virgin and we'd play one song and talk for 20 minutes. And then the Australians came in and the Australian radio in the 90s and they was all about playlists going down to 600 songs and how did songs. How did they. In terms of you did all this data and stuff. And Robbie Williams's angel will be played every hour because that was the most popular song and you could only speak for 30 seconds in a link. And we all suddenly were like, boring, isn't it? And then that. And the figures went up and then people go, we missed the personality of radio DJs and said, we'll go back to Zoom. I think that what will happen is people will go, hold on a minute, hold on a minute. Not at the moment. Because we seem to have been taken over by a. I don't know my favorite word. Woke. There's wokeness everywhere I go.

But why?

Why have we been taken over?

Yeah, why is there wokeness?

I don't know. I said to. I said to a radio presenter the other day, remain anonymous. The problem in my mind is that so many, and I understand it, so many presenters spend so much time trying to keep their jobs, they forget to do their jobs. But maybe you can say that if you've been cancelled. I don't know. Piers always says that, which I think is quite a good line. Um, some wokeness, I'm sure is good, but we're getting to a point where I think people are too scared to be themselves. That's what I would see as dangerous in whatever environment. A work environment, not just broadcasting in a work environment. You know, I met a. Not a met. We had a story some months ago on JK Live with Piers about a guy who had known his work, female work colleague for years. In fact, his wife and her husband, the four of them would go out for dinner, blah, blah, blah. She was going to a ball one night with her husband, came out of the female toilets into the office in a ball dress and he said, you look very lovely. And a colleague thought that he was being sexist and he got an official written warning for objectifying her sexuality, despite her saying, he's my friend. Sod off. That was on the record. That's what I'm talking about.

Wow. Wow.

It's true.

Yeah.

That's where we've got to. That's what I think. So nobody wants anybody to objectify somebody's sexuality. And some of the things that have happened in the past, totally fundamentally wrong. But that's bloody ridiculous. That's saying to you, mate, you look nice, you're. She didn't mind. She went to the bosses and said, what a load of old tosh. And he got a written morning.

Wow. What's the biggest disruption that's ever happened in your life, Jeremy?

Cancer. And how did you beat was a really weird story. I was doing Anton Deck's tech Santa and I went to the doctors in the morning on Friday the 20th, 19th of December. I don't even know why, but I think I. I showered and I thought of. Sort of felt, thought, bit weird. Anyway, and he was very nice and a good doctor, a friend of mine, and he said, oh, can you come back to night? And I didn't even see what. Yeah, sure, but I've got to go to it take two minutes. And I remember walking in and he. And he did. And he went, putty trouser. And I went, great, it's been lovely to see you. Take care. Try to give him a man hug. And he went, no, no, sit down. You got cancer. And within 12 hours we were in the operating theater. Completely knocked me sideways far more than anything.

Did you not like feel a lump or anything or feel a little bit?

Yeah, but I remember waking up and then everybody went. And then I remember this amazing, amazing nurse, Polish nurse, she said to me at 9 o' clock at night, 10 o' clock at night, I have to go now. And I started crying. It's the first time I cried all day. Please don't go. Why? Why not? Because if you go, I'm gonna die. I think the door will shut, they'll go dark. Stay with me all night.

Wow.

Amazing.

Wow.

No, but that's a proper person, isn't it? What does she get? No, no money. How did I beat it? Don't know. Lucky, I guess. Had chemo. Remember feeling and phone in the doctor and said, I feel. She said, well, he will do. I poisoned you. That's what I. What happens weirdly, because it always happens to me. Weird things. I was supposed to lose me air, but I lost the skin on my hands and my feet. No. So when I go from hot to. Why am I selling this? When I go from hot to cold, or cold to hot, all the skin peels off my hands. I look like Singing Detective for about two days. It's true. It's not funny at all. She's laughing again.

I'm not though.

No, no. Harsh. 20 to laugh @ me. Disgraceful. But yeah, it's true. Cancer. Yeah. And I think then once you've heard cancer and chemo, it's an unwanted club that you'd never want to be part of again. But it does somehow. I don't know, I felt. I remember you. You say, how did you beat it? I don't know. But I remember leaving the last day at four and a Half months going back to the hospital and I had an oncologist and another doctor and the other doctor went, listen, mate, you have had scans top to toe for six months. And when you go on the street today, Jess, I'm telling you, bud, that you are, you will outlive 99.9 of the men you see of your age because they don't know what's inside them. And I've long been an advocate. I know it's expensive to have a scan once a year and the uncut. And I thought, oh, that's. And a bit like the two press cuttings. And the oncologist said, now you need to be careful because your body's shown that it could be prone to cancer and it could come back. Great. I think I'll just go with the other thing might be. And that's it. Yeah, it was scary and it really upset my parents. Don't expect your kid to have cancer, do you? Really?

No. What's the biggest risk you've ever taken?

What's the biggest risk I've ever taken? I nearly flippantly said, having a fake testicle put in which had to come out because it was too heavy. It's titanium. Please don't laugh. I couldn't walk straight. £279.99. I told Jonathan us this and it hurt because it was too heavy. What was the biggest risk I've ever taken? Giving up a job at Melody Radio as the sponsorship manager on a huge salary in London to go and do two evening shows on Invicta FM in Kent from seven till ten on a Friday and Saturday night. £50 each. I thought it was worth it.

Was it worth it?

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. I think even if it hadn't, if I hadn't managed to. To. To get on a bit, then I would have thought it was worth it because it was one of those things was brought up by a man who was so into duty. But I do know of the old man that there were things that he wished he'd done, but he didn't because it was about duty to family and pay the mortgage and do right by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, blah, blah, blah. Do you know what I mean? So we always had that sort of maverick streak. Yeah. I'm going to give a massively well paid job for 4,800 pounds a year doing it. Being a DJ on a radio station somewhere in Kent that I've never heard of. Wow.

Now, what's your most brutal life lesson?

Brutal life lesson? What Is an experience. Yeah. Watching my mum die, it's pretty, pretty. But also, this is gonna sound really, really awful. They both died in my arms. But, but, but she was the most erudite, most switched on, hard working, had fortitude, mate. She had, she had, she was like Thatcher and it, the old man was, I mean you'd have, you'd have had him on, he was a comedian, he said was all going rather well. It was a Tuesday morning, he said, and I'd come downstairs, I'd had a shave and she take the rubbish out. So I went to the bottom of the garden, I came back and she put me breakfast in the washing machine and never spoke again. She started going dreadful. And so for three months my mother had this terrible, terrible stroke and couldn't speak. And I prayed to God every day that she died. I prayed every day because she was too, I'm not even saying classy. She was too good for that. When you've seen both your parents end up in a nappy being spoon fed and I'm not even being down when I tell you this, that's a life lesson. So, you know, you said to me at the beginning, oh, it's been hard. Hard. What compared to that? I'm going to make every bit of every moment I've got. Seriously, I, I, they were so dignified and so amazing in the way that it finished for both of them with, if I'm honest. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, that's the truth. Yeah.

And how somebody dying in your arms is quite brutal, but also really quite. I mean, I don't mean this, it's gonna, it was really important to do it.

What's your biggest failure or regret?

My biggest failure? God, I've many failures. Where do you want me to start?

The biggest one?

God, it's my biggest failure. Oh, I was gonna say golf. No, I'm joking. Listen, I've, I've, I've made bad choices, I've made bad decisions, I've chased certain things too much. I think probably work. Certainly I needed to learn to pace myself. But yeah, I, I just, it, I'm not at a point where I've suddenly become this melancholic person, melancholy even person sat in the corner of the room going, oh, because I think you learn from life, you know, there's people who go, well, I wouldn't change anything. Well, I would change a couple of bloody things, to be perfectly honest. I would. I mean, what a load of old tosh that is. Yeah, but I can't think of Catastrophic mistakes, apart from things that I won't talk about. But I would, I would say that, that, you know, I, I, I think you need to put your hands in the air when you mess up, don't you? And I think I have really. But I bet because I've messed up, you should mess up on the show. I used to mess up. I mess up all the messed up. Last week night left the fridge freezer open, apparently, and everything melted. I got a massive bollocking from, you know what my dad used to call my mother. I've taken to calling Victoria the War Office. That's what he used to say. The War Office are not in a good mood tonight.

So back to this question that you wanted to come back to.

You won't like the answer.

The craziest guess.

I hate that word to happen. I hate that word and I'll tell you why.

What about if I, what about memorable? Is that better? I know, tell me where you hate the word crazy.

No, no, I'll tell you why I hate the word crazy. Because I actually, for whatever the critics say, I wouldn't want to disrespect and label it that because there were incre. There were hundreds of thousands of people who, tens of who came on genuinely when I know to a lot of people, some of it was funny and some of it was sad, all the things we've talked about. But I, I don't, I don't. You know, there were plenty of moments when you thought what the right. But there were also moments when I literally could have broken my heart over stuff. And there was stuff when I would have laughed my head off and so trying to, you know, come out up with, with, with. I mean, I, the one that everybody likes online is when the man threw the envelope at my head and it caught my Then quiff. What was flat hair, which caused my hair to stand about 6 inch. I look, I'll tell you, I look like. What was that woman's Cameron Diaz in Sliding Doors after the bad moment. That's what I look like. You can see it online. And my hair is just one bit stuck still. I look like a mad professor. But, but I, you know, there were so many moments. There were, there were some unbelievable moments, but I can't, I, I bet I also. And people think this is being flip. It's not 4,000 episodes. I can't even remember what I had for breakfast yesterday. And they, you know, this is one of the things with the cork. I said, what happened five years ago at 10 past 11 on the. I, I'm not being, I'm not trying to be, you know, difficult here, but I can't remember that far back, but there were many. I mean, I loved it when people were reunited. I loved it when, you know, I mean, Christ, I got. Anton Deck did a gotcha on me in America. America on, on the Jeremy car show that was quite memorable. But I would never want to say, oh, that was better than that part, or that was funnier than that part. Because for me, whether it resonated with people or it didn't, these people were good enough to come. That's. It was just, you know. But again, I don't ever sit and go. I just, I've just never done that. It was a show.

Yeah, fascinating because you're gonna give me.

Some titles now, aren't you?

Well, all I asked was the craziest thing that happened. And, and I, I think your answer came with a lot of maybe feeling of being judged.

I would say that if I said to you that that was a crazy situation or a funny situation or a sad situation, that that would just be me judging. Right. So I never, strangely enough, weirdly I had an opinion. But it's a bit. What I said to you earlier about I would do it and cut it off. If you ask me a question, I'll. I would, I would answer it. I remember one of the execs saying to some of the Americans very early on, don't, don't ask him unless you want to know. Oh, it's okay, Jay. So, you know, are you okay? Not really. I've got attention span of about 10 minutes and you've used it up, if I'm honest. Exploring this isn't it? Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

So I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to label them. I respect everybody that came on. Some people annoyed me, some people made me laugh, some people made me happy, some they were blowout moments. There were moments that you would go, my God, unbelievable. But I would never sort of label them. I would never sort of categorize them. That's me being honest.

Yeah. Okay, so this show is called Disruptors. What does the word disruptive mean to you?

A four year old called Oliver, A nine month old called Iris. Disrupted children really predominantly. But disruptive. What people in terms of life, in. Of terms. In general. People who get a kick out of just sticking their ore in and, and causing trouble. Disruptors who disrupt the norm and make things better or make things worse. I'm asking you now. We're Doing it all around the wrong way. What do you mean by the question?

I don't like to label it anything.

Other than that's very good, that is disruptors. Kids are very disruptive. Disruption's good if it does positive. If somebody says no, I don't like that norm, hold on a second. There's a different way of doing it. There's something better. Better. There are people who disrupt stuff for the sake of disrupting it just to score points. Pain in the ass. No harm in ever talking out. If you've got a different opinion about something, go against the norm. If you believe it and they're not scared about the world, might not believe it. But yeah, absolutely, that would be my mind.

And that's the perfect way to end other than what you're working on right now.

So as you know we're going, we work on talk talk radio so that's on three days a week. I shall be doing some stuff with ITV which is extraordinary in the new year, writing a book, be doing some other television, lots of stuff.

Can you tell us about the book? So can we go and pre order that or anything like that?

No, no, it's in the process of being, I'm going to say written by me. It's an incredible process. I couldn't write a book if you. Amazing man. And it's a. I'll tell you what, this is why I can now do this. It's amazing when he keeps saying things and I've. I feel like I've got a bloody story for everything and then suddenly you feel like your brain's opening, opening up. Right. And the, you know, the Jesus. Unbelievable.

And where are you active on any social media that we can follow at J Kyle official?

Yeah, we'll explain everything that's happening but as I say, television series on the way, lots more radio gonna get involved in the racing side as well with the sun. There'll be more about that. But just, you know what if I'm honest, the Jeremy Car show was, it was a high profile, high octane, full on job, job. It ended very quickly and one has to deal with that and the fallout and then the court case. But I feel like I can now breathe and I can make choices and you know the critics will say, you know, they'll bring back the Steve diamond thing and as I started this, I'll finish this. Not a day passes me by. A poor man lost his life. It wasn't my fault. Or the Jeremy Carr Show. But you thought. But you wouldn't want that or wish that on anybody. So my thoughts will always be be at that point. But I have to get on for the reasons I told you and make the most. And so for me, the opportunity to do different things like this, this, I honestly have to tell you, this has been lovely.

Well, thank you.

And I genuinely mean that. And I would never have done it because I would have said to you five years ago, oh, he's going to ask me, I've done it now. I'm fine.

Yeah.

Old and past it. How was it for you? Really good.

I feel very privileged that you chose to do this among, I'm sure, hundreds.

Of thousands of others. Brilliant. And I mean that. It's been a real pleasure. Thank you.

Thank you as well.

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