Life After Being Cancelled with Matt Le Tissier | How Matt Le Tissier Rebuilt His Career After Sky Sports

Matt, are Labour and Keir Starmer ruining the UK right now?

Yes. Next question.

How badly are they ruining it?

Well, I mean I don't just blame them because obviously the government before them were doing a pretty good job as well.

Yeah.

So it, it doesn't, it just feels like we don't have much of a choice in this country. Whoever we elect, they're attacking the British people and doing their very best to ruin this country.

And what specifically is going wrong?

What specifically is going wrong? I don't know if you've walked down a high street, any part of the.

The disrepair of our cities.

Not just the cities, our roads, the infrastructure in this country, trying to get a doctor's appointment, you name it, pretty much everything. The attack on farmers that's going on at the moment, I mean, you know, the pensioners having their winter allowance taken off of them. How many people, where do you start do you think? Well, I think their own report that they did suggested it was going to be at least 4,000 people from what I read. And yet what kind of psychopath will read a report like that and go, yeah, we'll still do it, we'll still do it even though we know it's going to kill some people. We've done a report and they've told us it's going to kill a few thousand people. Tell you what, let's do it anyway. What sort of people do that? That's our government. I don't know, I don't understand the reasoning and logic of the people that are in charge.

Do you think it's because they are fundamentally far left socialists? Because that's what Nigel Farage said to me.

Is it because they're fundamentally. Possibly. I would love to actually sit down and get some honest answers out of these people because I don't think we actually ever get honest answers out of them. When we see on the television they just kind of deflect, give non answers, don't actually do anything. So yeah, it, quite possibly that. Is it, is it because they've, they're under orders? Is that really what they, what they believe in or are they just being told what to do? I don't know. I'd like answers to those questions because I find it difficult to understand that anybody with a sane rational mind would be making the decisions that they're making at the moment.

So do you think someone has more power and controls the Prime Minister?

I, I, I would be very surprised if, if it didn't, if there wasn't a higher power. I mean we all know that the funding that these parties need to keep going. So the people that are funding these parties have a, have undue influence over our MPs, I think. So.

Why is nothing getting better? Why is it all getting worse? Why is nothing changing? Even though clearly everyone's pissed off, why is it.

Why is nothing changing? It's getting worse because the, the people that we put in power, we weren't given much of a choice in terms of candidates to take over the country. I think they are under orders to actually destroy this country to make it worse.

Why would, who would want to make this country worse?

I would say there are probably people who like to have control over human beings, psychopaths. And I think if they destroy the country enough, there'll be people begging for help from their government. And I think that's probably when you'll see initiatives like the central bank, digital currencies being thrust upon the population as the way to save us and save the country. Because they can't, they won't bring them. And people won't accept those kind of things under normal circumstances. Yet in times of emergencies, people will accept all sorts of nonsense, as we saw in 2020. So when Covid came along. Yeah, yeah, not just jabs, but, you know, lockdowns and all the nonsense rules that you, you know, you could, you could go to a, a restaurant, sit down and have your meal, but when you stand up to go to the toilet, you got to put mask on.

You put it like that.

You could, you could. But this is the sort of nonsense that people were happy to accept in 2020.

Were they happy to accept it or did they just not want the grief of rebellion?

I think a lot of people were happy to accept it. I think a lot of people were so compliant because they, it saves them thinking for themselves. I think there's a lot of lazy people around. Something that's been aimed at me down the years, but only on a football.

So did you take any jabs?

Don't be ridiculous. Not in a million years. And I'll tell you this right now, best decision I ever made in my life. When I look at what's happening around me, I can't tell you how many ill people, friends, parents of friends, how many people have been suffering over this last couple of years. It's. The number is incredible numbers that I'd never seen before. Well, I mean, it's a pretty big coincidence, let's put it that way.

I mean, there was quite a plethora of, you know, really good fit sports people Just dropping ill and dead, wasn't there?

There was and, you know, there still are. I think that was the numbers lesson. No, it wasn't normal before. And people who had tried to tell you that it was normal are being incredibly disingenuous. You know, I had personal evidence from my career in 17 years that it didn't happen before. I never saw one person in 17 years in my career go down with a. With a heart problem, either in a football match or in training, you know, and I did that for 17 years, five days a week, and then all of a sudden, and all of a sudden in 2021, it started to become pretty regular occurrence. And what also became a very regular occurrence was games, matches being stopped because of medical emergencies in the crowd. And that was happening on a weekly basis at one point and several times a week. And it still has been happening. It's been. There's been several cases in the last few weeks still where it's happened. And the thing that I've always called for was, why are we not investigating it? Why are we not seeing. Why people not seeing this massive rise in young, fit, healthy athletes just dropping with heart problems, why would nobody bother to investigate it? And that's all I called for the last few years.

Could you answer your own question? Why is it not being investigated?

Yeah. I believe the only logical reason I can come up with is that the people in charge know what it is and don't want everyone else to know.

Because there's been no accountability of our previous government.

No. No accountability whatsoever. No. No accountability. No. Yeah.

They're now off out doing book tours, you know, and selling millions of books.

Yeah. I think when you. When you're actually appointing people, when the same people that are appointing the committees are actually the people that are being investigated, you probably got to take a look at that and think, is this going to be fair? Are they really going to be wanting to properly drill down and investigate what went on? I mean, the PPE contracts is just one thing, you know, where the money was squandered and nobody is. Yeah, billions and billions and nobody has been held accountable for it.

And probably more was squandered just on PP contracts than the money needed to. For the winter fuel payments.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Don't start on that. I mean, what about. I mean, they can. They've got £11 billion, whatever it is, to send money abroad for climate change projects in Africa and fund and overseas wars. Fund overseas wars, you know, Chuck. Chuck billions of pounds to Ukraine. You know, I don't I don't get it. I think it's, I think it's very, very weird situation that we're living in at the moment where our governments, previous and current, just tend not to give a shit about their own people, but will throw money abroad to other countries willy nilly without, you know, without even thinking about it. And the British taxpayer picks up the cost all the time.

Is a problem here that not enough people are speaking out, but when people speak out, they get sacked and canceled. So you know a song about that?

Yeah. And I think that's, that's all very deliberate as well. I think when you, when you challenge the narrative, the government and mainstream media narrative, they go for you. They go for character assassinations. They'll try and find any little thing they can to, to have a dig at you about and, and just try to ruin your reputation so that nobody, you know, will listen to you, nobody will, will take note of anything you say. And it's a, it's been a pretty successful tactic, but there are a lot of people still, who are still brave enough to, to speak out against it. And, and despite losing their jobs, they carry on doing it.

So I want to talk about losing jobs in a moment, but I think, has the world always been like this and I was just naive to it or. Yeah. Since lockdown, did it get worse? What do you think?

I have a feeling it probably was always like this, but now we have access, but I think we have access to information a lot more than we ever did. And I think these things are coming to light a lot more than they ever used to. I think it was a lot easier in decades gone past to hide corruption.

Right.

And I think as we, as we've moved on and with the, you know, as we know the Internet is there for everybody and you can, you can find out things that you probably wouldn't have done four years ago because I.

Also sometimes also wonder if I've become more of a grumpy bastard now I found out all this. Have you become more of a grumpy bastard?

No. Well, I certainly hope not. I still feel like, you know, all this stuff is going on, but I still feel like I have a lot of things in my life that I enjoy which put a smile on my face. Like my family, like my sport that I play, you know, I still love to go out and play golf. I play paddle tennis every week. I play the occasional game of football still, you know, and all these things, you know, I love doing, you know, going and discover different parts of the World, which I've done quite a bit this year, which has been lovely. So. Yeah, there's still lots of things in my life that I'm grateful for and I'm thankful for. Put a smile on my face. But yeah, if you were only to look at my Twitter feed, you might think that I was a miserable, a miserable old git. Just get getting old. Grumpy old men, wasn't it? The, the old, the old TV show. Yeah, I think I went on that actually, because it happens I wasn't that grumpy, so they didn't really have me on much, so.

Yeah, but then the UK has got worse, hasn't it? It has.

The country has got worse. Yeah. Of course it's, it's declined. You know, you've only got to look down at any high street in the country, really. I mean, it. I, I think back to when I moved to Southampton in 1985 and you know, you could walk down that high street and you, you didn't. I don't know, it just felt alive. It felt alive. That's the best way I could put it. It was buzzing. Felt alive. And gradually over the years, it's, it's just, it's just declined and you, and it's sad. It's sad to see it now. It really is. Yeah. I find it, I find it incredibly sad that these shops are going out of business. You know, retail is, is going more and more online, people are going out the houses less and less. And I find that quite sad because I think one of the greatest things we can have while we're on this planet is the human connection and making connections with different people from different walks of life and enjoying other people's company. And I think it's, it's getting quite sad that we're, we're almost being force fed a life where everything can get delivered to your house and you don't have to go out and meet other people. I don't know if that's been done by design because we're more complicit. More complicit, yeah. You, you sever the human connection. You make people, you isolate people much.

Easier to control like they did when lockdown happened. We're all isolated.

100 what they did. Yeah.

100% like really thinking about this. Does this not scare you?

No, not really.

It does.

I'm not one to be, I'm not one to be scared. I, I, I actually, I became a Christian last year and actually one of the, one of the most repetitive sayings in the Bible is, you know, do not be afraid. And I don't think we're on this planet to be scared of anything. You know, it's an experience. And so yeah, I chose, I chose a long time ago not to be afraid of stuff. And unless you put me up the Eiffel Tower, I'm a bit scared of heights. But apart from that there's, there's nothing really that, that kind of phases me. As I said, there's still, you know, plenty of time on this planet, you know, to enjoy things and enjoy the experience while we're here. And so yeah, I don't think, I don't think fear is particularly good for your health either. In fact, most doctors will tell you it's one of the worst things for your health. And so yeah, I don't, I don't fear people like Keir Sammer. I don't fear him when he comes on the telly. I pity him and I laugh at him. I find him a despicable human being but I would never be afraid of him.

I'm sitting here wishing that that powerful speech you just did made me less scared. But for some reason I am scared.

What are you scared of? What was it that frightens you?

The nation continues to fall, crime continues to go up. Scared for my children who are 13 and 10 navigating this world of a lack identity because of our billion genders that there are. I'm scared of them being able to make a good living because of how high taxes are. You go to London and you probably. I'm going to get knifed. You know, these are things that I weren't real fears. Maybe it's because I've got my children at that age.

Yeah, yeah. But that, yeah, yeah. I've got a 15 year old daughter so. Yeah, you do. You are concerned for what their future looks like. But I've always, I've always felt like there is, there is a backlash coming and there, there are. I always feel like there are so many more good people on this planet than there are bad and eventually that will, that will win over.

Yeah, well, I'm definitely seeing because you know, I like you speak out and you know I remember saying to you, and I said it again when you came here that you know, I thought it was a great thing that you were relieved from sky because now you can be independent and I think I can say what I want because I'm not answerable to anyone. I'm not employed by position to be news or BB or anyone else and I feel a Real responsibility. If I don't speak out about how crazy high taxes are or, or how badly our government's being run, all I can do is my bit, and then maybe other people will do their bit too.

Yeah, that's, that's the thing, you know, when people say, oh, I've had lots of people come up to me and go, well, we know what's going on, but what can we do about it? I'm just one person. And I'd always say to them, well, well, that's fine. I said, but if you do do something little about it, you might be just one person, but if everybody did something little about it, that would be a massive thing. And one of the, one of the biggest things that I think might end up happening if this government keeps taking the piss out of the people of Britain is that there will be a rebellion of some sort and that might go down the route of a tax rebellion where people just go, do you know what? That's enough now. 8 million of us are not going to send you any money anymore. How are you going to get on with it? Look at the.

600,000 people have canceled the BBC TV license. I mean, if we all just go, yeah, I mean, if we all just canceled our TV license immediately, BBC would have to change.

Absolutely. Immediately. Absolutely. 100%. That's what the thing. People have to realize how much power they've got as a collective and not. And stop thinking individually when it, when it comes to this kind of stuff, you know, the power of the people. We've seen it, we've seen it with, in the past with the old council tax, you know, what was it called back in the 80s? Yeah, that was the poll tax rebellion. You know, the, the marches that went on to stop the NHS workers from being mandated to have. Yeah, the jabs.

Yeah.

Managed to get that overturned. So there, there are precedents that have been set for when enough people come together, they have to listen.

Yeah.

And we have to be brave and. Yeah, absolutely. And you've got to be, you've got to be willing to stick your neck on the line for it a little bit. You know, I kind of, when I was speaking out back in 2020, I kind of knew I was, I was dicing with kind of losing my job.

Right. Anyway.

But I felt like it was too important for me not to do it. And I, and I was always fairly confident that I could, I could get all the work. You know, I'm, I'm pretty confident in my own ability to go out and earn some Money if I need to. Yeah, I've got, I've got, you know, various skills that I can, I can lean on and, and I just feel like if enough people were brave enough to do that, there would be a massive shift in, in society, the massive shift in the way that we could make government accountable.

Well, I mean there kind of was those riots on the streets, but man, Keir Starmer shut that down by imprisoning people for social media posts. Let out all the criminals and put in prison the people who said stuff on social media.

It's, it's just a bizarro world that when you are letting out of prison actual criminals to replace them with people who have said some hurty words on social media.

60 year old women. I mean the stuff they said wasn't very nice, but people say no, but that's the thing.

It's, it's the whole thing about free speech is that you are free to offend people now. You can't give offense to people. You can't offend some. Somebody can only take offense, right? If somebody, if you could sit there right now and abuse me for five minutes verbally with the most disgusting stuff you could ever do and it's my choice whether I get upset about it or I just go, actually you're being a bit of an idiot, I'm going to ignore that and crack on. And that's, that's how life should be. You know, you don't, I think the worst thing that stopped in this country when I was growing up, we had this wonderful saying that sticks stones might break my bones but names will never hurt me. And I really took on board that and you know, throughout my career it really helped me because I had a lot of, a lot of stick from journalists during my career who would, you know, openly criticize my contribution to the team at times. And I didn't let it bother me, didn't I just let it wash over you, you know, don't give it any credence by having a reaction to it. And that's the best thing you can do with people who are trying to verbally abuse you.

So why does everyone not follow that and why does everyone seem to be so triggerable and sensitive?

I think personally it's because they've been indoctrinated in the schools who are actually encouraging them to actually be offended by anything and given them all the nonsense about the hundred and fifty genders that you can possibly be, allowing kids to go into schools pretending to be animals, identifying as a cat and you know, These people have mental illnesses and they should be treated as such. They shouldn't be pandered to. Somebody should actually be trying to help them, not pander them.

And is this what is called wokeness?

It's a very broad term. I think that covers a lot of stuff. I think that's part of it, the whole gender ideology stuff. I don't think you can define wokeness as one single thing or one single entity.

If there is a big problem in society, what is it then?

What is it? Where do you start? Well, I think personally, if you wanted to fix things, I think you'd start looking at the education system and how kids are taught these days and what they're taught. Because I think our education system has been hijacked by, by I would say probably left leaning activists. I, I would, I would say that probably the best way to describe it. I think they're being taught stuff at an age that they shouldn't be taught stuff. I think we're not allowing kids to be kids anymore. We're trying to teach them things that they don't need to know till they're a lot older. And that's one of the things that I, if, you know, if I was in charge of something, I would, I would change immediately. I would definitely look at everything to do with, with kids education, especially in the, in the younger years.

What would you stop and what would you start?

What would I stop? I'd stop the, the gender ideology nonsense and stop them allowing them to be identifying as a cat going into school. You know, that's the first place I'd start. I start teaching them some traditional conservative values. Like, you know, I'd make sure that, you know, they were, they were being taught stuff that was going to be relevant to them in their, in their older years. You know, I look back at even, even my school years, I do look back at it now and sometimes go, what, what have I used in my life that I was taught at school? How much of what I learned at school has been actually useful to me in life? Now one of the things that I look back on and go, blimey, why did nobody ever explain to me when I was at school about the importance of money and budgeting and how much interest you're going to pay on stuff when you get a mortgage and you know, all the, all the really basic stuff that's going to, yeah, all that, all that kind of stuff, none of that was taught, taught to us at school. You know, we had to kind of grow up as adults and start Learning as we go.

Well, as a footballer as well, you get paid, then the agent gets their bit and then there's the tax. I remember saying to someone, you know, what is the big misconception around money? A million ain't a million because I got paid a million and I got 300 grand.

Yeah, exactly right.

Like you only knew that when you saw the net amount.

Yeah.

And you're like, I've just been screwed.

Yeah, yeah. So I mean, is that by design.

Make us financially dumb? So we get into debt and we pay taxes.

Definitely. I think there's definitely something wrong with the system that encourages everybody to get into debt very early on. You know, the university system. Look at that. How much debt people come out with.

Average debt is 45 grand for a three year degree and then the average salary you can get afterwards is 26.

And they spend how many years paying that off? Yeah, I mean, some of it's just bonkers. It is absolutely bonkers. How, how the system has been set up to basically entrap and enslave a lot of the population. It's crazy. Needs to change. Rob me. And you need to change it.

Well, we're trying. We're here chatting. I've started ranting on Twitter and I read your stuff on Twitter and I.

Mean, I have a go every now and then. I mean, it just, it just beggars belief. Some of the stuff that goes on. I mean, let's take a couple of days ago, I think it was, for instance, when Keir Starmer appoints Peter Mandelson as our envoy ambassador with the U.S. now, seriously, I mean, of all the people that you would choose to do that job, why would you choose someone who had a pretty close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? Knowing what everybody knows about Jeffrey Epstein, why on earth would you choose that person? Out of all the choices you could have made, all the people with reputations that might be a lot better than Peter Mandelson's. Why would you do that? And yet he still does it.

Does that not make us look like complete clowns?

It's almost like they're trolling us. Our own government are trolling its people and going, you know what? They really care about you lot. In fact, this is our little I care. Look, look who I'm going to appoint as our ambassador. The United States. I'd be really funny if Donald Trump turned around and went, no, I'm not accepting him.

Well, I wouldn't put it past him.

So when the, when the Epstein flight logs come out and Peter Mandelson's all over it. It's going to be interesting, isn't it?

Wow. Yeah. So let's come back to this in a minute. Now, you're not under NDA to talk about why you were let go from Sky. What really happened?

I don't know. I mean, that's. That's been a few years. I was able. I was actually able to. I was allowed to say what happened. I just wasn't allowed to criticize them. So I could. I could say what happened. So I wasn't allowed to have an opinion on it. That's how. That's. That's what the NDA was.

Yeah, we just said about free speech. I know you're allowed to talk about it, but.

But, you know, you're not allowed to have an opinion on it. You can say what happened, but you're not allowed to. I wasn't allowed to criticize.

Okay, so tell us what happened and then give us your opinions.

Yeah, I mean, basically I got sacked for. We spoke about this last time when I was on. I was probably made myself a little bit unpopular with the bosses by. After the first program, I refused to wear the Black Lives Matter badge anymore. So that. That was the first thing I was kind of having to go at, not having a go. I was pointing out the fact that, you know, teams in the relegation zone, around the time they were trying to start the Premier League back up again in 2020 after the. The shutdown, I'd kind of made a few comments on social media about the teams in the relegation zones were the only ones that were kind of highlighting the fact that they were having Covid cases and that, you know, they didn't really want the season to start up again because they wanted the money from the TV deal the following season. So they didn't want to get relegated and lose all that money. So that. That got me a complaint from one of the CEOs at one of the Premier League football clubs who rang into sky and compl. So I had the phone call from that and basically it was. It was just everything that I was putting on social media was kind of going against the. Not only the government narrative, but the mainstream media were all in on it. And so obviously that included my employers, which was Sky News. But of course, I was in the Sky Sports department, so I viewed that as a completely separate entity. So I didn't. If I'm working for Sky Sports, I thought, I'm going to criticize Sky News because I don't think they're doing things properly.

Do you think it had anything to do with your age and your ethnicity? Because Mark was down here, Mark Lawrence, not long ago and he thought so.

I certainly think there was, you know, since Comcast took over, there was, there was definitely the whole diversity, equity and inclusion stuff was coming into the programs and having five middle aged white men on a, on their most popular program on a Saturday afternoon probably wasn't a good look for them. I don't think they'd ever admit that because obviously that would leave them open to, I don't know, to perhaps being sued. But I mean, they can admit it all they want. I'm not, I'm not going to sue them. I'm not, I'm not bitter, I'm not vindictive. I don't, I don't think going to sue people for that kind of thing is the right thing to do. You know, I've just moved on with my life, found other work, crack on with it.

And what do you think about the diversity, equity and inclusion in football? And do you think that's right to have all the commentators in this varied background?

Are you talking about the, the women football commentators specifically? I, I've always held the opinion that if you're going to have a co commentator on a, on a football match, I think it should be somebody that's been in that arena. So if you, if you're got a women's football match on the television, I think you should have a women's football player giving comments because a man in that situation wouldn't have been in that, in that situation on the field of play with a bunch of women. And so from that point of view, I think for men's football, I think the same thing should happen. I don't find that a particularly controversial opinion. But apparently if you, if you have those views, you know, you get, you get labeled as misogynistic and you know, you, you, you're a really bad person because you don't think a woman should be commentating on a men's football match.

But she's never played a man's football match.

That's exactly my point. And that's, that's, I think is the view of the majority of football fans. If you, if you ask me, I've even had loads of women coming up to me and saying to me, my God, can't listen to those football matches when there's women commentators. And this is, this is women coming up to me and telling me this. And I'm like, yeah, it does seem a bit odd. You know, you know, surely they should stick to the women's game and the men should do the men's game. It's not rocket science, but no, we want to blur the lines between everything.

So what's your opinion about getting fired by sky and your opinion about Sky?

I don't think they're particularly a good company to work for. I still in contact with people who still do work there, who tell me how it's changed, not for the better, in the last few years. What's my opinion of them? Yeah, not, Not a great company to work for. I'm not, I'm not angry. I'm not bitter. I've, I've moved on with my life. I had 15 great years working there. Loved was a fantastic part of my life. But, you know, things change and you, and you move on.

Were you scared that you might not be able to continue to earn well and have a good career or you might be smeared?

I guess there was, probably at that point there was a little bit of concern, you know, I, I, I knew at that stage. I remember having a conversation with my agent after I got, after I had the Zoom call. I rang my agent up and I went, I've just been let go by Sky. He said. I said, all right, so don't worry. He said, I've got those contacts we'll get. And I, and I went, oh, let me stop you there, Rich. I said, I'm telling you now, I will never work on mainstream television again. I will never get another job on mainstream television because of what I've been doing on social media. And he was like, no, no, you'll be fine. Said, oh. I was like, well, here we are four years later. Nobody wants to give me a mainstream television talk sport, won't even ring me up and do a live interview. Now, I think because of. I used to whenever something happened like Southampton, like sack their manager or appoint a new manager, the first person they would ring would be me to get my opinion on it.

Yeah, yeah. As the greatest ever player to play for Southampton.

Yeah, yeah. Now, now, Southampton sacked their manager at the weekend. They did. Did you see any quotes from me on any mainstream media about what my thoughts were on Russell Martin? No, because nobody will ring me up anymore because they're frightened of what I'm going to say. I even had talk sport ring me about. I think it was about 18 months ago, and they were doing a segment on penalty shootouts. Now, I was also one of the best penalty takers in this country. So when World Cups and European Championships came Around and there was the, you know, the potential for penalty shootouts. They get, they'd get my opinion. And so Talksport ran me up and, and it was really odd because normally we just do live interviews. And he rang me up and he went well can we do an interview on penalty shootouts? I went yeah, no problem. He said can we do it tomorrow morning and we're going to pre record it. And I was like, oh my God, they don't even trust me to talk about penalties. So I had to do a pre recorded interview on penalty shootout so they could put it out and, and so that they wouldn't, you know, give me the opportunity to say anything that goes against the grain on their live on their channel.

Wow. Does that not upset you in any way?

No, no. It's up to them. They want to be that petty and vindictive. That's their problem.

And how have you managed to continue to earn now not working for any mainstream media?

So yeah, I got various jobs that I do. So I'm an affiliate for a CBD company, supreme cbd. Former Olympic boxer Anthony Fowler got me involved with that about 18 months ago. And then I also do after dinner speaking. A few, few people have tried to cancel me from that as well but I still get, I still get quite a few jobs through that. I'm also a director at a non league football club in Southampton showing FC who I got involved with this season. So they're sitting kind of mid table in the Southern Premier League at the moment. Yeah, I do the video messages on Cameo, all that kind of stuff. Lots of different things. I go out and do kids presentations and things. So yeah, I just a lot of different ways of earning money.

And do you feel more free?

Oh definitely. It's, it's nice to actually go onto your social media and type something out and not go, oh, is, is this going to be a bit controversial? Who's gonna, who's gonna sack me from my job? But so yeah, I quite enjoy not being tied to a major corporation like that who are policing your every word.

And what do you think about people who stay in those jobs and toe the line and probably have more of an opinion but don't share it because they don't want to get fired. Do you respect those people or not?

Do I respect them? I don't respect them. I have a degree of understanding for what they're going through. They may not be as, as confident as I was about earning money outside of that job. So yeah, I certainly don't respect those kind of people, but I have an understanding of what they're going through and a small degree of sympathy for them. But it's only a small degree.

Do you think these mainstream media channels should have so much power of what you can say on social media?

No, I don't think so. You know, I mean, I don't agree with a lot of Gary Lineker's opinions.

But it was a good moment.

But to be honest, I actually feel like his personal Twitter feed, he should be allowed to voice his own personal opinions and he shouldn't have to toe the line of his employer in his personal life. I think there needs to be a separation between those two things. However, as it stands at the moment, he's signed a contract and obviously he's got to abide by certain rules, and when he kind of steps over that line, then he comes in for criticism. But personally, I think they're should look at those contracts again and actually let people have their own opinion on their personal personal feeds.

And why don't they?

Because they like to control the narrative.

I mean, is there an argument that they're paying you and they write whatever they want into the contract because they're paying you?

Well, that's the thing. You have the choice whether or not to sign the contract so you can negotiate the terms. And, and if Gary, you know, wants to. To have his own personal opinion on there, he should have negotiated that into his contract.

Yeah, but he kind of won that, didn't he? When?

Yeah, well, I, I guess so, because he's still got. He's still got his job, although he's now not going to be. He's now.

Yes, and on his last legs. Why is Gary Lineker really leaving the BBC, do you think?

Oh, I have no idea. I mean, I'm sure it's just for the fact that he's got enough money now and he wants to sail off into the sunset of his life. I don't know. I don't know. We'll probably find out all these things after Gary passes away.

You think there's some skeletons in the closet?

Oh, my God.

What? What? What, What? What skeletons are in the closet?

Oh, I. I mean, who knows? Who knows, you know, but I can tell you that Gary Lineker is not the angel that he likes to portray himself to be.

What's he been up to?

Ask Joey Barton. Ask it. Have a look at Joey Barton's. Have a look at Joey Barton's feed where he has a go at Gary Lineker and, and challenges Gary to, to come back and Have a go at him and Gary won't have a go in because Gary knows he's not as pure as driven snow.

Right, so this is what Mark. No, it's Paul Merson.

Oh yeah. Actually wait, I think I know what you're gonna say.

Oh no, I'll get the Mark Lawrenson one because Mark came down here. I've been in Liverpool fan my whole life.

It was great to what a player he was by the way. What a player.

And he said this. The BBC has gone totally woke. They're top of the woke league. What do you think about that?

I mean I think they might just be edging it on goal difference from sky to be honest. I mean it's pretty close. Yeah, I, I, I probably think Mark knows more about the, the workings of the BBC. I haven't worked for for them for, you know, many, many years so not quite sure what, what to make of them but you know, Mark's, Mark's obviously been in, involved in that organization for a long time so I take his word for it.

Do you think they are unbiased? That was the stupidest question I've ever asked.

I think it might well be, yeah. There's, there's, there's not anything about the BBC that isn't unbiased. They are totally biased and basically they actually outright lie quite a lot.

What they lied about BBC?

Oh, all sorts of stuff. If lied about. Well, let's start if we go back as far as the weapons of mass destruction, they lied about that as did the government, you know and they collude with the government when they need to lie about things. There was a lot of lies about the COVID stuff back in 2020. They knew it was all lies and yet they still printed it. I have no, no time for that organization whatsoever. They will never get another penny off me.

So what's the agenda behind the BBC then?

I don't know. I don't know.

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They are just a propaganda arm of the government and they try their best to deceive people into thinking that they're not that. But it's become abundantly clear over the last few years that that's exactly what they are and people have lost a lot of respect for them.

Do you think that the BBC are at the start of the end and they're dying because of podcasts and independent media?

Yes, and not before time.

What do you think about Elon Musk? Do you think he's kind of a savior for humanity or do you think he is a bit nefarious?

I've keeping an open mind on that. I think we spoke last time. I think he was just about to take over Twitter when we spoke last time and I said back then, you know, I judge people on their. On their actions and not their words. And Twitter to a certain degree at some points has got a bit better, but there are still some strange things going on there, like with people's accounts being suspended for, you know, really innocuous things. So I think there are still some issues in terms of the algorithms that are at play there. So I'm not, you know, I'm not 100% on board with, with everything until I see, you know, a lot more improvements, then I'm still keeping an open mind on him.

Does it feel, if we're honest, a bit like it's just where it was canceling people on the right, now it's canceling people on the left and maybe it's therefore being a bit of a hypocrite.

I haven't seen many accounts of the left being suspended on Twitter still. Have you? Have I missed something? Maybe my algorithms aren't showing me that stuff. I haven't seen many people on the left get, get their account suspended for, you know, criticizing people on the right or. Yeah, so I'm not sure if, if that's the case. I mean, I'm personally. This is one of my bugbears about social media and all those algorithms and stuff is why can't we just have a free and open entity on what. I mean, a social media platform that.

Can access code is open source, isn't it? You can see the code.

Yeah, you can see the code. But what I'm saying is why, why use the algorithms to feed people certain feeds and certain information? Why not just let it all be open and just let people follow who they want to follow? You know, I've had people come up to me and go, I was following you on Twitter and I, I haven't seen you any of your stuff for weeks and weeks. So I went and check and I've been unfollowed. Like the, the actually they unfollowed them off of my account. These people hadn't unfollowed me.

Wow.

They'd had that done from obviously that end. So, you know, while stuff like that is happening, it's, it's a bit, it's a bit crazy and you've got, you know, I don't know if we touched on it last time, you know, the, the 77th Brigade, you know, all the, the stuff that nefarious stuff that they do on social media, trying to influence people's opinion. You know, I think all that stuff, I think verification, there's got to be some way that you can weed out this kind of stuff.

And what do you think about Trump being re elected and Elon Musk is Department of Government Efficiency?

Yeah, I mean, it sounds great, doesn't it? It's. It sounds great that there's going to be a, a department there that's going to actually start having an oversight on what's being spent and what your taxes are being spent on. You know, I'd certainly welcome a department like that in our country and I'd certainly like to be in charge of that department, quite frankly, because I can tell you now, there'd be a lot of government waste that would get cut very, very quickly.

What would you cut?

Oh, overseas funding for climate change, money to Ukraine, overseas wars where. I mean, that there's your 22 billion pound black hole already that they talked about that they just made up out of nowhere.

Winter fuel payments funded.

Yeah. So there's a, there's A lot of stuff that's going on that, you know, the amount of money that is raised through taxes should be enough for us to have an improving country and not one that's in decline.

So I'm a business owner, have been for 20 years. I have to add 20% VAT on, which means my prices have to be 20% more. Then I get 25% corporation tax, then I get 39% dividend tax. If I have a salary on the 100 to 125 grand bracket, it's 60% tax, is now 15% national insurance. I pay business rates of hundreds of thousands of pounds. There's all these regulations and bodies that you have to sign up for, which is basically attacks. And yet still the NHS is. I have to pay twice to the nhs. So do you. Because you can't get in. And so then you have to pay for private with insurances. Someone crashes into you, you can't claim on their insurance because your insurance premium goes up.

Yeah.

A lady crashed into me and I tried to claim on it and I've got a 15 car policy because we've got letting agents cars and I've got a car collection and they tried to put the whole fleet policy up because she crashed into me.

No.

And it's a fucking racket. And.

Wow.

I worked out that minimum because. Let me ask you this as well, actually, when you.

When you put it like that, when you. When you list all that stuff. Yeah. It. It actually beggars belief how people can make money in this day and age and how. I mean, they are literally discouraging people from.

Actually, every year, double the amount of millionaires are leaving this country. Since 2020, it's doubled every year. How many millionaires are leaving? Are leaving.

Wow.

And let me ask you this.

When you're off. Yeah.

Well, if it wasn't for my wife and two kids, I would have already gone.

Yeah.

And why is it. Why is it you're taxed when you buy?

Yes.

But then you're taxed when you sell?

Yeah.

Why is it your tax when you're.

Alive and tax when you're dead? Yeah.

Why is it you're taxed by your nation and then taxed again by your state? Because I know we don't have federal and state taxes here, but we do have council taxes, which are local taxes. My mate pays £400amonth for his council tax. He gets one bin.

One bin.

And he's paying 400 quid a month, five grand a year.

Somebody spoke to me how somebody did I remember listening to somebody who was talking about how to legally not pay your council tax. Apparently there is a, there is a way that you can legally not pay it.

The problem, because people talk to me about you don't legally have to pay your own tax, but the problem is running a business and 100 staff and, you know, millions of followers online, I can just get freaking imprisoned and then lose everything. So like if, if 8 million other people didn't pay their tax, I might not, but I can't take the risk on my own.

Yeah, yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? It's unbelievable. It. But when you list all that stuff.

Yeah.

Our government is basically discouraging people. It is from actually starting growing our country.

Employing.

Employing people. Absolutely. It's. It's just an anti growth policy which is crazy considering I can't work it.

Out and yet deliberate destruction. It can only be with all of that. They still haven't got enough money to run the country properly because there's too.

Many people, too many civil servants in civil service.

Well, this is one of the things I think I like about Elon. I agree with you. Let's wait and see. Yeah, but he did it at Twitter. He went in and he got rid of 80% of them. And is it any worse? No, because most people think, oh, if I got rid of 80 of my staff, my company would be worse. Well, X is a bit different, but it's not worse.

Well, let's hope he does the same in, in government with that because then.

Maybe we'll have to.

Well, normally what, what happens over there tends to end up coming up over coming down the pipeline down here. So. Yeah, I mean if they want start a little committee like that, I'll put my CV in. Sure. My credentials as a footballer and pundit would get me a job there. I mean, ye. Those people who had PPE contracts, they had nothing to do with PPE before and they were given million pound contracts. So.

Billion. Get me tracks, I think.

Billion pounds. Yeah, yeah.

And she's, she's left the UK and what's going to happen there? I'll tell you what you have, Matt, which this is the problem. You have common sense.

That'll never get you anywhere in government, will it? Having common sense. You can't, can't be having that.

Let me ask you this, Matt. Rainbow armband, what do you think about them on the football pitch?

I think it's a nonsense. Why? Because I think football should be free from any of those kind of campaigns. I didn't agree with the, you know, taking the knee stuff. There's no need for it. Keep it out of sport. If you want to campaign for that stuff, do it on your own time. But don't infiltrate sports to be able to do it. Just leave it alone. Let people enjoy their sport without being battered with propaganda. What do you think about the Rainbow Armors? Do you think that's a good idea? Do you think we should be celebrating a. A sexual orientation on a football pitch? Do you think it's. Do you think it's appropriate or do you think it's indoctrination? Because a lot of kids watch football. Why are they being subjected to that? Anyway? Next question.

I mean, does anyone care about my opinion? Because this. This episode is about you, not me.

I care about your opinion. Thank you. I like listening to opinions of people who have been successful in life and. And aren't afraid to speak freely.

I agree with you that I think everyone should be free to express their own opinion, but don't use it as a marketing tool or as a propaganda tool. And don't bring it into areas like sport, where we just want to watch and enjoy the sport.

Exactly. Well said.

What's your beef with Jamie Carragher?

What's my beef with him?

You don't like him, do you?

I didn't. I didn't dislike him, but he took it. He took exception to me talking about him spitting at the young girl out of his car window. And so I didn't have a problem with him until he rang me up. I think it was probably after we did our. Our podcast, actually, and. And I was walking through. I was in. In London. I was with my. With my family in London and my wife was in one of the shops and I was just stood outside and a phone call went. There's a number I didn't recognise. So I picked it up and it says, it's Kara. I went, all right. You alright, mate? No, I'm not. For the next 10 minutes, he literally was screaming and abusing me down the phone, telling me that how out of order I was, that I should bring up the fact that he spattered this young girl out the back of his car and. And I was quite calm about it all. I was just having a little chat and he was shouting on the other end and we walked. Wife came out the shop and we're walking down the street and I'm continuing this conversation. I've literally got the phone like that and he's shouting me. I'm keeping very calm. I don't I don't get upset about all this stuff. I let him rant and rant, you know, when he was threatening me. Stuff like, I'm gonna be trolling you on social media, you know, anything you tweet, I'm gonna be all over it. Oh, yeah, it was. And so up until that point, I didn't have a problem with it. You know, all I, all I used was an example of, you know, what had happened at sky that might have, you know, not enhanced their reputation, you know, when they, when they sacked me. And so, so, yeah, after that phone call, I was like, yeah, you're not a very nice bloke, mate. Take responsibility for your own actions. You allow. You were the one that actually spat at the young girl out your car. That's not my, that's not on me. You need to take responsibility for that. You need to own it. Someone talks about it, that's tough, mate, because you did it and you have to own it.

Do you think he should have been sacked for that?

I mean, I was surprised that he wasn't. I was surprised, but nothing surprises me.

What do you think about the state of football right now, now you've retired?

What do I think about the state football? I don't find it, I don't find it as entertaining as I used to.

Why is that?

I find the styles of play that have, that have changed quite dramatically. I don't find as entertaining or exciting for the crowd as they used to be too. I think it's gone too far in the way of possession based football and teams wanting to, you know, keep possession of the ball for as long as they possibly can, even if it means passing 45 passes in your own half and keeping the ball and going nowhere with it. See, I think football for me is an entertainment industry and most of the entertainment in football happens in the two 18 yard boxes because that's what people go to watch, go to see goals being scored. That's why we go and watch football. And it just seems at the moment there's too much play in those areas that aren't going to excite anybody. And I do find myself at football matches on occasions getting a bit bored, if I'm honest. I never used to feel that way. It was always a bit, you know, teams were really pushing to try and score. Every time they got the ball, they, they'd go forward a bit quicker and, and show intent to go and have some, some kind of decent attack. And I don't see that all the time anymore.

And what do you think about this financial fair play, do you think Man City have been at it? I mean, they must have broken every rule in the book.

And I mean, yeah, I mean, it, it does seem like there's quite a lot, but. But again, with a lot of things, when you look at it from the outside looking in and you look at it and go, well, it's financial fair play. It's meant to make sure that clubs aren't overstretching their budgets. So we don't get clubs going out of business. I mean, that sounds all great and fine, but when you dive down into it, actually what it does is it stops any team from actually challenging the status quo at the top, because that's where all the money already is. And they're basically saying to teams like Newcastle who have very wealthy owners that literally going, you've got all that money, but you can't spend it because you don't earn enough money, revenue streams to be able to spend it. So you can't really go all out and challenge the big boys.

So how have Man City got away with it all this time then? Because they've just been spraying billions.

They have. Well, they started before, I think they started before those rules really started to kick in. And they did it a long time ago. They also, using, from what I, from what I see and what I've read, they've been trying to find ways around the rules as, as people always try and do. Yeah. You know, and using other companies to funnel sponsorship money into the club to make their revenue streams look bigger than they actually are.

Right.

So, you know, when you put those things in place, you know, there's always clever people who will look at the rules and then go, right, how do we get around this? Yeah.

Which is quite entrepreneurial. I don't exactly.

I was going to say, I'm sure you've done it in your business. You look at the rules and you. And you go, right, okay, this is in place. Is there a way legally that I can get around it? And, you know, that's normal practice. So I've given this, I've given this a little bit of thought and I've. I almost feel like I want to say, do you know what those financial fair play rules or profit sustainability rules as they're called now, I almost feel like they should be chucked away and something else put in place which allows the clubs to be protected from owners who are not doing the best for their, for their clubs. And I don't know what that is. I'm giving it that more thought than that, but I feel like you're never going to get a Blackburn Rovers go and win the Premier League again. You know, you're not really given that. I mean, Leicester did it, granted about eight years ago, which was an amazing achievement. I'm not sure we'll ever see that again in my lifetime if the rules don't change. You know, that was just a really unbelievably freaky season.

It was.

And just a lot of things had to fall into place for that, for that to happen and they all did at the same time. But 2016 was a. Was an incredible year because I would have loved to have had a one pound treble on Leicester to win the Premier League, Donald Trump to be president, United States and, and Brexit to happen. Yeah, that all happened in 2016.

Wow. Yeah.

And that, you know, I mean my pound would have, you know, that would have been some investment that would have done well.

Are referees bribed?

I think there have been cases proven in the past where referees have been bribed.

Do you think it happens more than we know people. It just doesn't come out.

I think the rare occasions that it has come out and mostly I think it's kind of been in European leagues. I haven't seen too many cases of British referees actually being proven to have been bribed in matches in this country for some time. You know, I know we've just had one of the referees do some silly things on social media that's got himself sacked. Yeah, but that wasn't about bribery. But it was just. But it wasn't about bribery. But it was, it was. I think the, the worst thing about it was obviously it showed a bias against a football club. You know, it might show Liverpool.

Yes.

I know you'd be upset, but. But it, it did so kind of. Although it wasn't kind of bribery in a way, it's kind of, you know, showing. Yeah. It does make you wonder if he's. If the decisions he's making, is he making them in an unbiased way?

I'm fascinated that a year ago you found Christianity. I don't know if convert is the right word. What happened and why did you decide?

So I. My youth team coach at Southampton when I got him in 1985 was a guy called Dave Merrington, who was very, very strong, Christian. And so he kind of got me thinking about it back then and instilled values in us as players that were. That were very kind of Christian orientated. And I've kind of tried to Live my life with those values without ever really kind of going to church every week. And last year, Dave. Dave Merington was the guy. He lost his wife and I went to her funeral at the church where Dave goes. And I went into the church and I just had this really strong, warm feeling that come over me when I went into the church. And the people that were there were lovely, amazing people, and I just had this feeling come over me that, you know what, this. This is where I belong here. This is. I need to come here. I just need to come here more often. So I started going to church with Dave, started speaking to the. The pastor there, who incidentally is a Saints fan, which helps. So. So, yeah, we get on great. And. And yeah, I've been. Been. It's just coming up to a year actually this week. So, yeah, became a Christian last year, so. But a lot, when I look back on my life, actually a lot of the values that I've held actually kind of, I was pretty much living by those values without actually being a committed Christian.

Do you think Christianity is on the downfall in the uk?

Not at the church I go to, it's not. If you came to my church on a Sunday morning, absolutely Packed loads of kids. It's an unbelievable place. But there are other places that. Where congregations are dwindling. But I actually have seen quite a lot and there's quite a few in football, actually quite a few Christians. And I think we might be coming to a point where I think one of the things that kind of sent me that way as well was the overwhelming feeling over the last few years that we are in a battle of good against evil. And I think that's a lot. A lot of people are realizing that. That seems to be what's happening at the moment on this planet.

And who is the evil?

A lot of people in government.

And what's the motive of the evil?

To control humanity, to reduce the population of the planet.

Why?

Why? Because they feel like there's too many people and they can't control them all.

Why do they want to control everyone?

Because they're psychopaths.

Wow. How do the psychopaths get to the top?

Because they have qualities about them. Ruthless. And will get. And you'll find that, you know, a lot of people who get into positions. I mean, me as a. As a fairly average human being, this is where one of the. I think one of the problems is I don't have any desire to want to control what you do in your life, so I have no desire to be an MP or the Prime Minister of this country, you know, because I don't, I don't get that. Now the only people really that have those desires to have so much control over other people are psychopaths. And that's why they rise to those positions of power, I believe.

How do we stop the psychopaths?

Mass non compliance pitchforks outside Westminster.

But then you said earlier, you know, that people are lazy, maybe people are scared. So do we have to get rid of that fear and that idle nature and stand up and do something about it?

Yeah, I think so. I think that's, that's one of the things we can do to do that. Yeah, I'd encourage people not to, not to be afraid but, you know, but don't be lazy and don't let other people have so much influence over you. You know, you're a sovereign human being yourself. Make your own decisions, think for yourself. You know, actually look into some of the decisions that you make in your life without blindly trusting people in white coats or you know, with, with MP behind their name.

I post quite a lot about how I think a cashless society in a central bank, digital currency is very bad for humanity. And I am gobsmacked. How many people, in my opinion are really naive?

Yes.

Oh well, people who have cash are just criminals and tax avoiders and it's really, really convenient to pay digitally.

Yeah.

And I just want to.

Absolutely, absolutely. These people, this is what I'm talking about. How, how you've got to think a little bit deeper about how that system can be used to exert control over somebody. So they have no idea that those, they could have their central bank digital currencies which are programmable and at any point their money can be turned off. And if you don't think, if you haven't learned from history about governments, if you don't think that there's going to be somebody in charge of your government who would do that, then you are incredibly naive.

I mean, if you think about a digital currency with no other competitive currency. So, you know, because we don't quite have a monopoly on money because we have Bitcoin and we have digital money.

And we have cash, there needs to be. I think there needs to be. Yeah, I think decentralization. Yeah.

Competition.

Competition, yeah, absolutely. And not rely on one single thing and that. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, absolutely. If one firm made all of our foods, we're in a lot of trouble. If one firm may. Well actually kind of.

I was going to say that's what they're trying to get rid of all the farmers in this country, trying to tax them out and nick all their land. And they, they are trying to centralize the food supply. Yeah.

So, I mean, it kind of already is fairly centralized from a few big companies. But what really scared me, and I know you don't do fear, but I, I do fear, but I try and handle my fear, is this whole thing about the farmers. It was very underhand because it was basically just forcing them to sell when they didn't want to sell because of the inheritance tax change. And then you realize that it'll be people like blackrock who gobble up all these farms. And then you see Starmer there schmoozing up blackrock all at the same time.

Actually, the inheritance tax on the farmers just happened to be put out just after he had that meeting with Larry Fink and Bill Gates when they were in Downing street. And a few days later, out came that. You just think, hang on a minute, come on, surely they're not being that obvious. But they are. They have just blatant.

So with a cashless society, let's say they didn't want you to leave the country, they can just stop you spending. You can't leave the country. Let's say they didn't want you to leave your house, they can just stop you spending. So you don't leave your house.

Let's say you could put a limit on the. On the circumference around your house where you can spend your.

Yeah. Because outside of there you can't spend any money anymore.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's possible to do that.

If there was inflation to be 50, they could just make it 50.

Yep.

If they want to change your interest rate, they could just change your interest rate. If the card fees, they're 2%, they want to make them 7 or 10, they can just do it.

It's really convenient. But I'm going to be a lot poorer for it and have zero freedoms. Yeah.

And you're not scared?

I'm not sure.

Come on, you must.

I'm not. No, I'm not scared. I'm not sure. Those people that you're talking about there, you see, are these replies that you're getting on your social media. Yeah, See, I'm not sure.

Hundreds of them.

Yeah, I know, but I'm not sure if they're all real people, if they, if they are, you know, because there are. There are factions of our government who have, you know, there are departments where they have specific social media teams that will target specific posts about that about the vaccines, they'll target specific posts and they will post constantly under your post so that anybody who goes on that feed will see all this negative stuff or all this stuff going against what you're saying and try to change people's opinion of what you're, of what you're saying.

I never thought.

And this is how deep is, and this is what I, I believe. I think, you know, the technology that is available now, I think has been available for a long time and it's just not been shown to us.

Do you mean AI, things like that?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think any technology that comes into our world, they've been used by government.

For a time before.

Decades before. Decades before. So imagine now what we can do. Imagine what technology that they've got that they haven't told us they've got, that we'll know about in 30 years time. Just imagine, imagine what they could do. I mean, they could probably change the weather.

Do you think AI is the start of the end of humanity?

I think it's an attempt at it, but.

But why would a psychopath want to end humanity? They are a human. Or is that what makes them a psychopath?

Not. Not the entire human race, but a large proportion of it. You know, the Georgia Guidestones told you how, what, what sort of population they feel is appropriate for, for the planet.

What do they think?

I think it was 500 million.

500 million?

Yeah. So that's about 7 or 8 billion of us that they want to get rid of.

How are they going to get rid of us?

Let's think maybe they might try injecting entire population with a nefarious fluid that, you know, they'll dress up as being really good for you, stop you from getting ill. I don't know. Just one of the ideas that might be out there.

David. Ike said to me that there's some agent in there that they could activate.

Whoa. I mean, having never been a great scientist myself, I can't, I can't attest to having looked at a vial to see what is actually in those things. But yeah, I mean, as a plan, you know, hypothetically as a plan, it's a pretty good one. Make everyone think that they're taking it for their own good, when actually it's quite nefarious. That concept, I think, happens a lot with stuff that we're told. They dress it up as though it's really good for us, but if you actually look underneath, there's actually something quite nefarious about it all. That's just me Being, you know, conspiracy theorist, apparently, yeah.

Do you think there are aliens?

Probably. I think there's a, there's a high degree of possibility. I don't know for certain, but if you had to, if you were, if you were pushing me, I'd say it's probably more likely than not than there is.

And do you think if there'd been discoveries that would be covered up by the government?

Yeah, I mean, I think there's been, you know, I think it's what, Area 51, I think. Is it out in America? There's, you know, they think that there's stuff out there that they've discovered and, you know, don't want anyone else to know about it. And so it wouldn't surprise me if there's, if there's other beings out there and that they, you know, they, they have been, you know, so many people have had experiences that it's hard to not to not believe it, you know.

And the vastness of time and space.

Time and spaces. Yeah.

I mean, if it's infinite, how can we be the only. Yeah, that'd be arrogant to think, wouldn't it?

I think would be incredibly arrogant. So, yeah, I think there's a, there's a high possibility that we're not the only ones around here.

Can you, can you see a logic in covering it up though? Because surely it would send humanity batshit fucking crazy. We'd all just go fucking wild.

Quite possibly. But you know, I think we, I've come to realize now that, you know, a lot of the stuff, you know, the technology that we're talking about, where I'm saying, you know, they've had this technology for decades, they put a lot of this stuff into films and they show it to us decades before. You go back and watch a film like from 30 years ago, like a sci fi film, and they're talking about stuff and at that point everyone going, aha, that's a bit far fetched. How can they possibly do that? And you go 30 years down the line, they go, well, everything that they did in that film 30 years ago, we do it now. You know, I mean it's. So they've done films about aliens, so are they, are they just letting us know that maybe they are there? And somebody, some wise man once said to me, if your mind can imagine it, then there's a high degree of possibility that it can be there. So whatever your mind can imagine, there is a possibility that can, that can come true.

What one thing in the world do you think is really wrong that you'd like to see changed.

Just one. That's hard. If you had to. If you hadn't lay me down to one. Child sex trafficking.

Why does that.

I'd like there to be a lot of. A lot less of that.

Why does that happen?

I'd like to be there to be none of that. Why does that happen? Because I think there's some very demonic, satanic people on this planet who get kicks out of that kind of stuff. I think a lot of the stuff around that. I don't know if. If this is probably appropriate, but the. The adrenochrome stuff.

Can you explain that?

So adrenochrome is something that children produce when they're incredibly scared. And apparently people think that this is a way to keep you young by ingesting this stuff. And so it's interesting because I think it was the. What was the. What was the film with all the monster. Monsters, Inc. Where. I don't know if you remember, they. Part of that Monsters, Inc. Film was they collect the screams from the kids when they're scared. And adrenochrome, I think, is mentioned in that film. And again, you go back, like, all these years and you go, is this like, are they telling us what they're doing? So I think there's definitely some very horrible stuff that goes on with that child trafficking. Wow.

So finally, how do we be aware of all this shit that's gone?

This is the trick. Yeah.

But still, you know, live a fairly happy, fulfilling, productive life.

It's. It's a tough balancing act, but there is, you know, there's lots of time in the day. So, you know, I would say don't obsess about it. Be aware of it. Try and make other people aware of it at times, at the right time. But at the same time, we are here for a good time and not a long time. So make sure that you still have lots of things in your life that bring you and your family pleasure.

I always love talking to you. Matt, thanks for coming.

Great to see you, Rob.

Thank you very much.

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