The Fight for Free Speech | Rob is Interviewed on Outspoken Live by Dan Wootton

No censorship. I'm Dan Wootton, this is Outspoken live, episode number 31. And Harry and Meghan Markle have used their phony royal tour of Columbia to launch an attack on the English working classes and Elon Musk's ex by blaming the recent discontent that led to riots after the Southport massacre. On social media, fake news news, a concept you know, I have already derided as lunacy. But even more insane is that the two biggest purveyors of fake news in the world have the utter cheek to make claims like this.

Maybe your grandmother used to say it to you. Also, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. But what's happened? The digital age has almost created a culture where if you don't have anything cruel to say, don't say anything at all.

In my digest next I'll say Meghan should have thought of that while lashing out at the dying queen, her very ill dad, Harry's very ill dad, Catherine. You know, you get the drift. Also coming up today, free speech is in peril in the uk. Indeed, Lord Frost has said that we can no longer declare Britain a free country. Well, to react today, I am joined by a businessman and podcast superstar who remains a bastion of free speech, regularly conducting headline grabbing and controversial issue interviews with the likes of Andrew Tate, Katie Hopkins and Nigel Farage. Rob Moore of the brilliant Disruptors podcast with me for the entire show. Plus, Douglas Murray has dropped more almighty truth bombs today. I'll show you then in the uncanceled after show this Friday, royal author Robert Jobson is here to reveal the truth about why Catherine, the Princess of Wales fell out with Meghan Markle. And what's really going on with the Wales's marriage. You can register to watch on our own website at www.spoken.live. most importantly, it's a safe space free of censorship that couldn't be more important at the moment. And at just £5amonth, your support not only gives you 30 minutes of extra exclusive content every single weekday, it also allows me to to continue making this independent daily news show. But now, let's go. The absolute despicable cheek of that heartless clown Prince Harry to go on a false tour of Colombia and then try and blame the recent unrest in the UK on social media disinformation. What the hell does he know about the very real struggles facing the people of the uk? His subjects, who he ditched for a life of woke misery with that cretinous family destroyer. I'll tell you what Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So to suggest, for his own pathetic political purposes, that was a. That, you know, it was a few rogue tweets that revealed the very real discontent the English feel about the deteriorating shape of our country is offensive and tone deaf. That's Harry, isn't it?

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Sorry about the translator, but what he said there was. What happens online in a matter of minutes, hours now transfers to the streets. It worries me to see people acting on information that isn't true. So this has now become a pervasive narrative designed to dismiss the collapse of the social fabric of the uk and as a result, Elon Musk and X have become the fall guys. But to hear a lecture about fake news from Prince Harry is like asking Dylan Mulvaney to lecture us on what it means to be a woman. The msm, though, are buying into his ridiculous calls, like how he wants the public to be able to spot fake news. Prince Harry suggested education could help the.

Public spot fake news.

People were scared and uncertain, and I think one of the solutions to that is education and awareness, because it's becoming harder and harder to stem the flow from the source, and therefore, really, it comes down to all of us to be able to spot the true from the fake. The true from the fake. Is this guy a psychopath? All you and your wife have done for the past four years is spread fake news. You've also allowed the biggest gang of Internet trolls in history, the Sussex Squad, to harass and and bully completely innocent folk like Catherine, the Princess of Wales, even when she was suffering from cancer. But of course, we're meant to believe that it's Meghan who is the real victim here.

Thank you for the question. And thank you all so much for being here tonight and taking so much of your time to listen to these panels. I hope you feel as inspired as I do. And I think that leads right into your question, which is part of our goal. When my husband and I founded the R12 foundation and had our own lived experience, which a lot of you may have witnessed, in terms of what online harms can look like, we knew that in finding a solution, and as my husband often refers to the root cause, that has to start with people that have a level of digital literacy that they are living in and out every day now, whether that's by choice or because it's being pushed to them so constantly they become experts in this field.

How about the online harms, Megan, that you caused senior members of the Royal family for falsely accusing them of racism? But Megan sees herself as some sort of role model.

Of course, maybe your grandmother used to say it too. Also, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. But what's happened, the digital age has almost created a culture where if you don't have anything cruel to say, don't say anything at all. And that is fundamentally changing how we move through the world, how we connect with each other. And I think as we continue with this work, we continue learning and investing and grant giving to young adults who can be change makers and are being change makers in this space. A lot of it also is how we as adults role model that behavior, how we role model offline, and certainly how we role model online. As parents, we have that responsibility. As global citizens, we have that responsibility. But as digital citizens, we have that responsibility to model how we want our children to be raised in the world in which we want them to be raised in, which now includes the digital world. It's not going away. So it's how we can use what we know and continue to push the envelope to keep all of us safer, specifically our children.

Okay, I'm going to translate that Californian woke mumbo jumbo for you. Harry and Meghan believe in censorship, like to tear Keir Starmer rather than allow us plebs to have an open and honest discussion. They think that the solution is to shut us up, to shut down debate, to pretend the issues are not happening. Well, guess what? It's not going to work because we see through your sick agenda and you must be called out for it. As Lord Frost wrote today in the Daily Telegraph, we can no longer say that Britain is a free country. Laws criminalizing certain opinions are now having a chilling effect on freedom of expression in the uk And Starmer himself was ratioed spectacularly when he posted on X on the anniversary of VJ Day. We remember the sacrifices our veterans and their families made to protect Britain and defend our freedom. Freedom. How dare you, Keir. You're an authoritarian. Locking up English folk for Facebook and X posts. You have taken away the freedom our veterans fought for within just four weeks. Shame on you. Javier Milei, the freedom fighting Argentinian president has even called out what's happening to the uk. I'm going to translate for you here. Look at England. Since the socialists came to power. They are putting people in jail for posting on social network. And they are Malay is right. The good thing is is that I know ordinary folk are with me on this. There has been an outpouring of outrage and upset after I told you the Story yesterday of Julie Sweeney. The 53 year old from Kidsgrove who lived a quiet, sheltered life in Cheshire and is the primary caregiver to her ill husband, is now serving 15 months behind bars after she posted an inappropriate message, which she then tried to delete within a minute to a community Facebook group with 5,000 members speaking in general terms about blowing up a mosque, something she quickly apologized for. Julie had never been in trouble with the law during a flawless life. But the judge, Stephen Everett, the Recorder of Chester, chastised her by saying, you should have been looking at the news media with horror like every right minded person. Instead, you chose to take part in stirring up hatred. So called keyboard warriors like you must learn well today, Julie's husband of 29 years, who will now not be looked after, has spoken out. Speaking to the Daily Telegraph while breaking down in tears, he said, three police cars turned up. There were three officers. What's that about? It's too big a force for what it was. It's just crazy. Then, speaking of his own life, he said, it's a big loss. She's my right arm. It does anger you. It's over the top, well over the top. It's difficult, it's hard to come to terms with. She just got angry on the night because we watched the news item. It wound her up because of what had happened to the three girls. She's not that sort of person. We've got a neighbour next door who is Asian and he knows Julia is not a racist. We've got three granddaughters. It upset her, it wound her up. She just literally had an emotional breakdown. And she's now in jail for 15 months while career criminals with more than 100 convictions get a slap on the wrist instead of jail time. Something is very wrong in the uk, I know you can see it. And the idea that Prince Harry, Meghan Markle and Tu Tier Kieran will change anything by cracking down on what they decry as misinformation is as deluded as it is offensive. But now it's time for today's uncancelled interview.

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And making his outspoken debut, I am delighted to be joined by the entrepreneur, author, philanthropist and host of the Brilliant Disruptors podcast. I have appeared on it myself and I highly recommend you go and check out that episode at some point. A free speech champion who regularly platforms everyone from Katie Hopkins, Nigel Farage and Andrew Tate, Rob Moore. Rob, so great to have you on.

The show, Dan, thanks for having me on.

And Rob, obviously, as a free speech champion, there's so much to talk about at the moment, but can I get your reaction first to Harry and Meghan and specifically the Duke, trying to blame what happened in Southport on social media disinformation?

Yeah, I was shocked. I mean, first off, I'm wondering, why are they doing this tournament? Who's funding the tour and their expensive security detail? So those things came to mind and, yeah, it feels like 1984, where a few people speaking out candidly about what's going on in the world are being blamed for riots that have nothing to do with, in my opinion, what's being said on social media. It has everything to do with how angry the public are and have been probably for more than five years. And no one seems to be talking about all the things that have led to the riots and things were going to break in the end. And I don't have any clue how Harry can blame a few people posting on social media. I don't get it. I mean, I even saw Julie Sweeney's post and whilst it was not a nice post, it wasn't inciting violence, in my opinion. And it May have been in a private group, Dan, you know, and so can we not now message our friend on. What is that now?

Apparently there were 5, 000 members in the group. One of them went to the police. The shocking thing is that Julie and her poor husband were trying to delete the post after one minute, as the husband said, Rob, she was having an emotional breakdown. She'd seen what had happened to the three girls in Southport. She had three grandchildren herself. But she has been made an example of, let's be honest, because we're currently seeing rapists and pedophiles walk free. But posting on Facebook when you have never had any trouble with the law in the past can get you to go to jail for 15 months. Why is Harry not speaking out against that? Surely that is the sort of injustice that he should care about. But actually, Rob, if it's a white working class person, he doesn't seem to give a damn.

Yeah, it feels to me like they want to make an example out of a few relatively innocent. Yes, maybe white people to scare us all into saying nothing. And I refuse to do that, Dan, just like you refuse to do that.

Are you scared though, Rob? Because I have spoken to normal folk this week, but also high profile folk, politicians, journalists, columnists, commentators who genuinely believe that there's a situation where the police could come knocking on their door for posts about the news.

Well, honestly, Dan, I have some fear of speaking out, but I'm way more scared of saying nothing and how much power and control will end up wielding over to them. That scares me even more.

Yeah, indeed. And of course, your podcast, which we're going to be talking about later in the show, has always platformed some of the most controversial people in the uk, and my view is that daylight is the best disinfectant we've got to hear from these voices, whether you agree with them or not. And I also mean that, by the way, when we're talking about folk from the hard left, this is not a political thing for me. You don't see me trying to shut down Owen Jones or, or Navara Media. And when it comes to Harry and Meghan, what I really feel this is about, Rob, is that actually what they want to do is stop criticism. And what they do is they try and put criticism in the same category as misinformation by calling it trolling or harm online harms. Whereas actually they just don't want people sometimes spitting facts about their poor behavior, which we all have a right to do.

Yeah, well, didn't I watch something On Oprah with Harry and Meghan criticizing Harry openly and publicly criticizing his father, the future king, through his own father. And the Queen under the bus, publicly in front of the world. Why is there this double standard where they seem to feel that it's because of their position? They can criticize an institution, a family, a nation, but as soon as anyone says anything against them, it's. I don't know, is it racism? Is it?

Well, they often say it is. And look, if you look at the footage that we're showing on screen now, I actually want to be really honest about this, Rob, that this is propaganda footage and I'm showing it to you, but I'm giving you that disclaimer. And if you look at the mainstream media, Rob, over the past 24 hours, from GB News to the British Bashing Corporation, none of them have admitted that this is propaganda. And the reason that I describe it as propaganda is because that is footage filmed and released by their own Archewell Foundation. So let's just be honest about it. Harry and Meghan don't believe in a free press. They do not want people to cover them critically. They're absolutely happy. If you're from Harper's Bazaar and you're going to fawn over them and say that everything that they do is brilliant, but if you're someone like me who's going to call them out for their hypocrisy and treatment of the Royal Family, and also just point out when they're telling downright lies, which happens a lot, then you're far right and you're part of the disinformation crew and you should be banned. They actually want to silence their critics. And they do not see, Rob, that that makes them as bad as communist regimes or dictatorships.

Well, I mean, this is what the far left do. That is what they do under. Under the guise of kindness and, you know, speaking. What was it she said about, if you haven't got anything nice to say, then don't say it? This is what they do, you know, it's a bomb wrapped up in a bow. Yeah, I. I don't like it. I think it's hypocrisy. I will fight to the death the free speech, even with people I disagree with. Like, yes, I disagree with much of the things that Harry and Megan have said and done, but I wouldn't always uphold their right to say it. But I don't know. I. I also wonder, and this is an opinion, Dan, it's not a fact. But I just wonder if their. Their Relevance is dying a bit, you know, what is it? Fear screams loudest when it's dying. And I think some of these things are very, very clutchy at straws for, you know, a bit of fame and maybe a bit of money.

I think you're right. And, Rob, look, we're not body language experts, right? But I've obviously covered this couple for a very long time and speak to very good contacts who are close to the couple. They're not happy, actually. And if you look at Harry's face during so much of this tour, he's like a broken man. Look at that. At one point, Rob, he actually tried to sort of say something and Megan cut him off and he just looks broken. So they can go on with the farce as long as they want. He's obviously trapped. It's not a bad life to be trapped in, is it, with two lovely kids and 16 toilets in Montecito. But I do think that he feels very unfulfilled and quite a unhappy guy these days, which was obviously never what he used to be. So it's very sad, actually.

Yeah, I'm. I'm no expert. I don't know, behind the scenes of their life, but he seems lost. He seems very lost. I don't know what the direction of his life is, what the vision of his life is, you know, what is. What good does he want to do in the world? None of it. There doesn't seem to be any direction or vision from him.

No, absolutely not. What do you make, Rob, though, of them being paid for by a government like Colombia, which is a poor country, in order for them to be used as political pawns by a government which is actually really corrupt? That feels concerning to me, too.

Yeah. Well, I've never enjoyed their hypocrisy.

Yeah.

Of, you know, their. Let's be inclusive, you know, let's speak about kindness and then being paid tens or I don't know what Netflix paid them. I don't know what Spotify paid them. I didn't really put out any content, so it feels disingenuous how they're not. If they just said, look, we're a power couple and we're here to do business, and this is our message and we want to earn loads of money. I'd kind of respect them a bit more.

Yeah, exactly. Be honest about what your mission is and what your goal is, because it's not altruistic. The only cause they seem to care about at all is actually shutting down freedom of speech online and shutting down a free Press, which is very bizarre, isn't it? That's a very bizarre cause for royals to take on. When you look at Charles, I may not agree with him, but he clearly has environmental causes. Diana had landmines and bulimia and homelessness and hiv, aids. William has taken on most of those causes from his mother and gone one step further. And of course, Catherine, we know, is deeply passionate about early childhood and the plight of young children. They are all really important causes. This feels like a cause for the elites. It's like, let's shut down the plebs on social media. Let's shut down the media that doesn't agree with us. It's just a very bizarre thing to decide that is going to be your mission in life, aligning with Steve Coogan and Hugh Grant, you know, two millionaires who aren't happy about the fact that when they're naughty in their private life, some newspapers wrote about it. It just feels like a pathetic waste of what was a platform, Rob, that you couldn't pay for. They had the opportunity, they had a genuine opportunity to change the world. And instead they have focused on a very narrow idea of victimhood. I think it's a tragedy, actually, but it's all their own fault. And we saw it happen, didn't we, with the Duke of Windsor and Wallis Simpson. Sometimes a royal can be corrupted by a bad woman.

Definitely. I smell insecurity. Yeah, I've had my fair share of online criticism, and generally what keeps you focused in the right direction is having a meaningful mission and a cause bigger than yourself. And if you're just trying to shut everyone down who says something about you, that feels like an insecure void that they're trying to fill, which they'll never be able to fill because they'll never be able to silence everyone. They could have produced the best podcast on Spotify. They produced a few, you know, lukewarm episodes and got paid tens of millions to do it. Was an outrage. You know, any other company, if they'd have got paid tens of millions to produce a few episodes, would have been sued. You know, the Netflix again, they could have had an amazing Netflix series. You know, if you look at what the Furies, you know, they did a brilliant Netflix series and everyone wanted more. And they had this chance to produce amazing content and become very rich. And it seems like the public's opinion is really important to them. And they could have shown themselves, you know, the Beckham showed themselves quite well in by being a bit more honest and a bit more real and sharing Some of your flaws, like, you know, when Posh Spice was pretending not to be Posh, but David called her out, they had such the chance to be the talk of, of everything, which is, it seems like what they wanted. And just because they didn't want anyone to say anything, not very nice about them, they seem to have gone so far to the left that they're quite happy for anyone to be imprisoned just for saying something they don't like. Yeah. Which is 1984. If you're prepared to let someone go to prison for saying something you don't agree with, you are implicit. And this is a. I, I know you said earlier, Dan, am I scared? I'm. I, I'm more scared of not speaking out, but it's a close second scared of speaking because you can, you know, you can lose your whole livelihood, you can lose your whole ability to earn. And not just these famous people, you know, like Russell Brandon people, people like that who no one had sympathy for, but he lost a lot of his earning capacity. But normal, ordinary people, normal content creators can lose their ability to earn just like that, just for speaking an opinion. And that is wrong.

It is. I mean, we've just shown actually on screen some of the ordinary folk, good, honest English people who've been caught up in this madness and because of slippery Starmer wanting to make a ballistical point, they have lost everything, just like you described, Rob. So David Spring, who was a retired 61 year old former train driver from Sutton, never been in trouble with the law, he yelled out at this protest, got a bit carried away and said to the police, who the F is Allah? And he's casted off, arrested, locked up, jailed. Then there's Lee Joseph Dunn, the worker from Sellafield, who made some apparently inappropriate posts. I read them, they seem to me to be political posts. A little bit edgy, but I'm a little bit edgy sometimes. And then Lucy Connelly, she's the wife of the conservative politician Rob, and she remains behind bars on remand because of her social media posts, which is an indignity usually reserved for violent criminals. So the way that this government has cracked down so quickly on dissent, I think is truly terrifying. I mean, it's only been five weeks and the thing that makes me sick, Rob, is where are the human rights lawyers? Where are the people speaking up for free speech? They are nowhere.

So I had a little look into, tried to look into the law and it's complicated, of course, because it always is. But the police can also arrest protesters if they suspect that they have intentionally or recklessly caused a public nuisance. So basically, they can arrest you for anything. That sounds to me like if I want to stand here and be a nuisance, then they can arrest me. And I don't know that. That to me, here's the irony, it's probably going to create more riots. I mean, it makes me angry. I don't think it's. I don't think they're going to achieve what they want, which is clearly Orwellian control. And I think people get more and more angry. Don't think it will stop the riots. I think they'll get worse. I think this country is as bad as it's been since I've been alive. I don't like it.

Yeah, I think a lot of people will agree with you. I mean, look, I would say it stopped the riots in the short term. And by the way, Rob, I'm really consistent on this. I deplore all violence, especially against the police. I always have. But remember, I was doing it during the Black Lives Matter riots. I was doing it during the pro Hamas demonstrations. I was doing it for just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain, Extinction, rebellion. So I am consistent in my position. My fury is that people like Starmer are not consistent at all. He was taking the knee, wasn't he? Just days after we saw those Black Lives Matter riots. So there is total inconsistency from folk on the left when it comes to what is apparently acceptable. And it depends on what your public position is.

Yeah. And, you know, can you peacefully protest anymore, Dan? That's my big worry.

Yeah.

Because it, like public and I've been infiltrated.

Well, exactly. And also the thing that the mainstream media never talks about. But Andy, no, who I've had on the show, really brilliant guy who exposed antifa in the us, knows that actually lots of these, quote unquote, because I don't even believe in the term far right, riots are infiltrated by the far left and by antifa because they want them to become violent. So it's really difficult now. It is really difficult now. And actually, later on in the show, I'm going to show you and get you to react to what Douglas Murray thinks ordinary Brits should be doing about this. But I acknowledge that it is hard work. What's interesting to me, though, Rob, from a political point of view, and obviously you're close with Nigel Farage, you've had him on your podcast for a long time, including at periods when he was spawned by the mainstream media. But he has been the Political beneficiary of all of this, Rob, the Labour Party have slumped six points. Six points in five weeks. That is extraordinary. But now Reform uk, Robert, the official opposition, effectively surging five points. And of course, that comes at a time when the mainstream media and the political elite have actually been trying to blame Nigel Farage for the riots. So what do you make of the surge of Reform uk?

Well, the irony first, Dan, is whenever anyone tried, whenever anyone, let's say, on the far left, tries to cancel someone they perceive to be on the far right, all they end up doing is making them more popular. So, you know, I spoke to Nigel a few days ago ago on the phone and he said, oh, Rob, I'm public enemy number one at the moment because they're blaming me for the riots, which is, of course, outrage. Can't blame Nigel Farage for the riots. You blame an angry populace, an angry Britain. Like, it's ridiculous that you can blame anyone for these riots. But. So, you know, he was a bit perturbed, but now look at his ratings go up. Andrew Tate, how many times have they tried to cancel him? You know, he's bigger than some religious figures now, so the irony is they just make them even bigger. Now. What's, what's my take on Nigel and his rise in popularity? Well, he's pretty much, in my opinion, the only major politician, you know, with a personality, you know, who can speak very well, and that helps. I think that he has benefited from everyone being so over Conservative and everyone knowing that labor were going to come in and promise to not raise any taxes, and of course all taxes were going to go up. So I personally like the fact that it's not just two parties and no one else really getting a chance. And he's quite disruptive. And I like disruptors on my show, Dan. I can tell. Yeah.

And can he be Prime Minister, do you think he could be prime minister in 2029?

There's a lot of things that have to happen. But, you know, knowing him reasonably well, I said about a year ago, I think that. No, I said before he went on in the jungle, I said, I think Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister one day. And, you know, there's a major palpable unrest. You know, I've said since lockdown, there's a revolution coming. And, you know, in, in revolutions, you get major change and major overhaul. So, you know, you look at it now and you think, oh, it's possibly not likely. A lot of things have got to move and change. But I don't know how much more angry the public need to get before we've just had enough. And then he'll be the. In some ways, he could be the beneficiary because he's just the only one that's not labor or Conservative.

I completely agree. I completely agree. People will say I'm crazy, but I believe that by 2029, Marine Le Pen will be the President of France and that Nigel Farage will be the Prime Minister of the UK because the way that the society is going in both countries proves that revolution now needs to be the be the option. I think you're completely right to use that word now. Thank God, Rob. Our friends in America are actually realizing what's happening with our terrible free speech issues. I find it in some ways embarrassing that we're having to turn to American politicians and American broadcasters to speak up for us, but that's how I feel, because none of the British establishment or the British mainstream media is. So here's Ted Cruz, the US Senator, talking about the fact that he now feels like the Magna Carta is on fire.

Free speech is under assault in the United Kingdom. They are sentenced to people to jail for social media posts. It is tragic. The Magna Carta is on fire. And the question is, is this coming to America? The United Kingdom is threatening to go after Americans, including Elon Musk, who they're targeting directly, and try to prosecute them for free speech. Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz embrace the same radical views.

He's got a point, doesn't he?

Oh, look, I just think, thank goodness for Elon Musk. That's all I'm gonna say. Yeah, me too. If it weren't for X, then many of these very left social media channels would have us under complete control. Dan, I don't know if you know this, but if I use the word labor in my Facebook lives or posts, I can't give them any boosts or commercialize them in any way. If you Google Donald, it comes up Duck. President Donald, it comes up President Donald Duck. And Kamala Harris comes up. When you search Donald Trump on Google, of course it's Elon Musk who's saying, oh, who's the main donor? Oh, it's Alphabet. Who owns Alphabet?

Google.

And if it wasn't for Elon Musk really resisting, you know, that it was a very bold move to. I don't know if we're watershed here, Dan, so I'll be respectful. But what he said about Disney pulling the advertising, you know, he was very rage against the machine. Don't Bribe me. If you're going to pull your billions, then leave then.

Bye.

Bye. Yeah, he said a few other words.

In more colorful terms.

Yeah, it was, it was very rock and roll and.

But we needed that because we need the ovaton window to shift. Because you're right. Facebook, because they felt like they were blamed for the election of Trump in 2016, they went so hard the other way. They actually deplore people posting about news now. And if you dare to talk about anything even slightly controversial, like Richard Dawkins ridiculously banned or had his post removed for talking about the biology of the boxer who won gold, the male boxer who won gold in the female category at the Olympics. So Facebook, sadly is the home of censorship.

Now.

What I hope is that Elon Musk, bystanding firm, can, can make YouTube be brave, can make Google be brave, but it is worrying and certainly there looks to be massive interference when it comes to those search results. And also the way that AI is manipulated to make political points too. Rob.

Well, I've had many of my posts deleted and I've actually had my TikTok channel banned. And that's just AI picking up phrases. Yeah, you can never get insane.

It is the home of censorship. And don't you find it so ironic, Rob? This is the Chinese own app, yet they're the home of woke liberal censorship in the Western world. It's nuts. Utterly nuts. I've sort of given up on TikTok. I tried a little bit, but actually I posted about Donald Trump and the assassination and they removed it. And I just thought, nah, I don't know if this is the place for me.

Yeah, Dan, there's a little saying which is follow the money. And you know, there's some seriously big donors and advertisers and funders, funds of, you know, some of these massive media channels. I loved social media initially because it disrupted mainstream media and it was decentralized, personalized. You know, you could have your own opinion, you could build your own little sort of media mini empire. It connected people. But now what has happened is social media has just become the new mainstream media because it's just controlled by money. I mean, if you go back and look at, you know, the big funds like, you know, BlackRock, for example, they own a lot of these big media platforms, so Follow the money.

Very, very good point. Standby, Rob, because we've got two incredible things coming up. I'm going to show you Douglas Murray's advice as to what angry British people should do in order to make change without ending up in prison. And also you had an incredible interview with Andrew Tate where he predicted what was going to happen to Donald Trump. So I'm gonna show you that and get your reaction. Rob. First, though, what's so important about being independent is that I'm only ever gonna tell you about products that I use and truly believe in because I want things that will improve your life. So I'm delighted to talk to you about Verso. As you know, I'm in my 40s now, really focused on staying healthy, prioritizing my health, trying to stay fit, doing the 16, eight fasting, all of the things that you meant to do, but it will only get you so far. Scientists like David Sinclair have proven that we can now reverse aging with interventions that go beyond healthy habits. So I wanted a product I knew would enhance everything I was doing, but one backed up with solid evidence. Introducing Salbein by Verso. It has scientifically proven ingredients that fight the effects of aging by increasing NAD levels, which is the stuff that powers every cell in your body. I've been taking this product now for a long time. Right at the start of my day. It's been transformative for me. Fasting is way easier. My fat is down and I'm no longer as hungry. And apparently that is due to the blood sugar regulating effects in the product, which lead to fewer cravings. I'm sleeping better to wake up with more energy and feeling happier. This product has taken years off me. And Verso publishes third party testing from each batch produced to guarantee you are getting what you pay for. Now, if you head Today to buy ver so outspoken, you will save the 15% on your first order. All you need to do is use the coupon code Outspoken. I'm put the link in the YouTube and rumble description. But to repeat, that is by Ver so Outspoken. Use the coupon code Outspoken. But now back to the show and back with Rob Moore of the Disruptors podcast. And Rob, there has been a fascinating battle going on all week between Douglas Murray and the British establishment who want to get him locked up for actually talking the truth about why there is such discontent in the uk. Alistair Campbell, George Galloway, they want the police to intervene. They think Douglas Murray should be arrested. Now, in reality, all Douglas Murray is doing is saying, I warned you of this. I told you that there was social unrest that was going to come if you kept throwing open the borders and allowing a different type of person, largely an Islamic type of person, into the country in astonishing rates. So to hit back, Douglas Murray has sat down With Jordan Peterson for a feisty interview today and I want to show you some of it. Rob, you can react off the bat.

The idea that people's response to any problems in their society should be to go out and commit acts of violence is obviously insane and wrong. What we're seeing on the streets of the British cities, though, raises this question, as I say, of if the public keep saying something to the politicians and the politicians keep not just ignoring them but insulting them, what are they allowed to do? These people, these are populations that have every single election, like the rest of the British people, for 20 years, they have voted for less immigration. I've been told that they'd get it and instead it's just gone up. They've lived through an economy since 2008, where of the jobs created by the British government in the last. Since 2008. So in the last, what we're talking 16 years, of the jobs created since 2008, 74% have gone to people who were not born in Britain. So just people think about this for a second. The government refuses to do what the public keep on asking for and what the government keeps on saying it'll do. It is seen to be, I think, accurately, extremely lax on policing certain social cohesion issues. It's extremely eager to crack down on anyone of a Tommy Robinson type, the idea.

And he's right, isn't he, Rob?

Well, I think that anybody who speaks about immigration or wanting to have less non British people is immediately branded a racist. That's just it. And yeah, so what can you say? You can't say anything because you're branded a racist. You know, I come on your show, we talk about it. Oh, Rob's far right. He's a racist because he just thinks that maybe should be at least 50, 50 English people or at least, or 70, 30 English people. So I don't normally talk about these matters because I'll just be branded a racist like everybody else who talks about what we want, which is just, you know, more control, maybe you know, people here who can bring value, but you're a racist or you're a Nazi. So I don't know what to say.

Well, what's interesting actually is Jordan Peterson asks Douglas Murray about what folk can do now given that there has been this crackdown and as you say, given that now even discussing it, even having this conversation will see you be branded far right. So watch what he had to say.

What is permissible in this situation to do. And I would say peaceful protesting would be one thing, or speaking up or, you know, whatever you like to do. Except that every time, even there is a peaceful protest, the peaceful protesters are defamed. As far right neo Nazis. I mean, there definitely will have been and have been in recent days, some extremely ugly people who've come out of the woodshed who I'm sure do include. There's like, one guy everyone's obsessed with who has a swastika tattoo on his back. Is that guy representative of all the people who are angry in the wake of the slaughter in Southport? I would have thought not. And in any other situation, every public official, political official, opinion writer and policeman would be very wary of trying to tar everyone with that brush. I mean, for instance, the police and authorities, even when you have discovery of an imam in a mosque preaching violence, everyone is incredibly careful lawyers at all the newspapers and everyone else to make sure that it isn't implied that everyone who attends that mosque is somehow in favor of this. In fact, woe betide you if you did do that. You have to say it's this one person and no one else is responsible.

Possible. It's totally true, isn't it?

It's totally true. I think he just said what I just said before. Like, what can you do?

Yeah, far right Nazi.

Yeah. And if. If you speak out, you're far right neo Nazi. If you peacefully protest, you could get arrested under public nuisance. So what can you do? Well, you can't not say anything and you can't not protest because in the end it gets even more extreme and there's even less than you can say. And then they'll bring in a cashless society and then they'll bring in a social credit system and then everything. Then they'll obviously, with, you know, AI and surveillance, make sure that you can't go anywhere if they don't want you to go anywhere, can't cross a border, can't leave your house. They'll take your money off you. Oh, and then they'll. They'll tax you 70% and 75% and even more of what you earn and what you spend. And it's. It's con. Is Orwellian control from every angle. Your freedom to speak, your, you know, freedom to travel, your freedom to spend. I mean, you know, I don't want to talk too much about the C word and the L word. I can't say those on YouTube, so I won't. But, you know, back in 2020, in. In March, you basically were led to believe that you couldn't travel outside of the UK unless You stuck a needle in your arm three times and put things in your blood that you had. There was just no time to research all that. And so in, in your health, in your money, in your travel, in your freedom, in your speech, you are being more and more and more and more and more and more controlled. And the only thing left are your thoughts. That's the only freedom you're ever going to have left.

But they're now policing them as well, or at least the thoughts that we express. And I think based on everything that you just said, Rob, which I totally agree with, I do think that is the agenda. I find it terrifying, I find it chilling, but I do think that's the agenda. But that is why Donald Trump was right after his assassination attempt to immediately stand up and say, fight, fight, fight. Because we're gonna have to fight, aren't we, Rob? And unfortunately there are gonna be a lot of folk probably along the way who go to jail for expressing views. But if we don't fight, if we just sit back and we accept that we're now in an authoritarian world, an Orwellian world, where we cannot express political debate on social media because of the risk of being locked up, then all of the policy prescriptions that you just outlined, including a social credit system, will be coming.

I don't have words, Dan, but I have been scared of this since lockdown and feeling like this was coming to me. There is only one of the reasons, you know, I love your work and you know, we got on so well. I love, as you know, I love the title outspoken and you have the courage to talk about the things that, you know, you think are important. You risk getting yourself canceled. The only thing we can do well, we can all not pay our taxes, because I'm not saying we should or shouldn't, but if, just imagine if we all didn't pay our taxes. Just imagine if we all didn't put money in BlackRock or Vanguard. Just imagine if we all didn't buy coffee at Starbucks. Just imagine if we all. The most powerful thing we can do is stop giving money to those who are trying to.

If we all stopped paying the TV license fee, that would be a really simple thing, wouldn't it? There's no way they can police at all, because actually the mainstream media is one of the most dishonest forces in all of that. And if we can do our bit to at least shut down the terrible government run mainstream media in the uk, that will be a start. But it's difficult, it is difficult to know what to do. But I think we do have to fight. And certainly from my perspective, and you know, Rob, we speak about it in detail in the episode of Disruptors that I appeared on, which was really one of my first time talking about this, but because I have been cancelled because they did everything possible to shut me down, Rob. And you know what they did, and it was so dishonest, actually, I feel really free now because what more do I have to lose when I've taken everything away from someone? Actually, you realize that it's more important to speak up because they've done their worst. And actually that leads on very nicely to two of your most popular and controversial and regular guests who appear frequently on Disruptors. The first being Katie Hopkins, who now is very open about the fact that she feels like she is a non citizen. She doesn't own anything, she doesn't have a bank account. You've developed a close relationship with her over the years and this is part of what she had to say to you. Migrants crossing the Med likened them to cockroaches.

I said that and I stand by it.

They're going to come for your home with lawfare. They're going to come for your head.

A couple of jihadis.

They're going to come for you.

They're going to come for you. Because I don't think I've got anything to hide.

Just unapologetically me now. You've got to know her really well. Rob, what's the real Katie Hopkins like?

Well, like Andrew, a lot of the things she says are with a comedic tone.

Yes.

And they get taken very literally. I mean, Katie now does stand up. She's hilarious. Yeah, she, she's very. She's got a great following. And, you know, surely comedy was always the place where you could be a bit political and that would be okay. Surely there has to be somewhere where we can be a bit political and not get judged and it be okay. And comedy seemed to be the safe space and of course now it's not at all, unless you're huge, like Ricky Gervais, for example. So a lot of it is humor. I mean, I think she did say some quite extreme things and she has lost everything and paid the price. But I believe that she speaks with integrity to what she believes and she's made a great personal sacrifice to do that. And I admire someone with that integrity to speak what you believe to be true. Even if you're going to lose your home, which she lost, even if you're going to put your children in danger, which she did. And in a way, Dan, Katie was a little bit early in the sense that she'd probably be. She probably wouldn't. Would have maybe lost less or probably would have taken less personal sacrifice if she was, you know, a few years later. Although, you know, what you say, Andrew Tate, you know, they went for everything with him.

They. They did. And Andrew Tate, again, he's someone I've interviewed. I got a lot of criticism for having him on my former GB news show. You have interviewed him many times, you've traveled to speak with him. Firstly, why did you decide to have Andrew Tate on your show? What is it about him that interests you?

Well, I just want to say one thing, Dan, because we need to make this clear. Anyone who, you know, has a platform who strongly, strongly disagrees with Andrew Tate or Katie Hopkins, I'd happily have on my show.

Yeah.

The thing is that they, they, they just distance themselves from you. I would give them the platform. So people say to me, oh, I'm platforming, Andrew. Take hate to Hopkins, as if they need me anyway, they can platform themselves. I mean, that's a bit ironic. I'm not platforming them, I'm having open debate. And I do challenge them. If you watch my shows, Dan, I don't give them an easy ride. I challenge them. But I would quite happily do someone who's got something, you know, important to say, you know, on, let's say, the far left, but they don't want to go near it because they, they kind of. I don't think they want to be exposed.

So you'd interview Owen Jones, you'd interview Jeremy Corbyn, for example.

Yeah, absolutely, I would, yeah. I love. Yeah.

Tate predicted, didn't he, or came very close to predicting the Trump assassination attempt in a recent interview with you. I'll show you what he had to say and get you to react off.

The back already being insane. And the degree of. I'm thinking, because this is the stuff.

That'S going to get me assassinated.

So let me. There's no way Donald Trump can't win unless something happens. And if something happens, we're going to see not only a breakdown in faith.

Of the systems, but you're also going to see a whole huge degree of cope from the people who you'd think would be up in arms about it.

And over the weeks and months post his loss, they're just going to talk big and do nothing and it's going to be a bunch of coke and they're going to end up adhering to, to the Matrix and the money. And when they get the phone calls.

They'Re going to get scared and it's.

All going to fall apart. And I think that Western civilization as a whole will genuinely collapse if Donald Trump.

So when was that interview, Royal?

Oh, it was this year. So it was.

And you traveled, you traveled to Dubai, did you, Is that where it was done?

No, this one was in Romania. Okay. I went, I went to where he lives. Yeah.

And do you feel like he was predicting the Trump assassination attempt there?

Well, he, he said it without saying it, didn't he? So, I mean, on my first episode with him, which was in Dubai, you know, he says, when you become too powerful, there are three stages. They cancel you, silence you. That doesn't work. They imprison you. That doesn't work. They assassinate you. And he went, he talked through those three stages and he had just been cancelled. And, what, four weeks after my interview with him, he got imprisoned. And, yeah. So I, I, it looks like he predicted the assassination attempt, but like I said, with these attempts at canceling or even assassinating people, it just makes them even bigger.

So you think he genuinely fears for his own safety, though? He believes that. I'm speaking about Andrew Tate here, not Donald Trump. Andrew believes that he's a target for assassination. Now.

This is quite nuanced, Dan, because Andrew seems to not stop speaking out and putting himself at risk. So I know personally that he does fear for being assassinated, but he won't stop speaking out and speaking up. So does he really fear it? Because he keeps speaking out.

And. Tell me what he's like. You've spent time with him. Is what you see on camera the same thing off camera? Is there a more vulnerable side to him?

So the reason I chose to interview him once, twice, and, you know, pursue other interests is because I, I think he speaks with conviction and I think he says things that a lot of people are scared to say. And he says it because if you speak to nearly anyone, even people who don't like him or feel he's a misogynist, for example, they still, everyone says. But he does say some things that I really agree with, even if he says it in a way I don't agree with. So that was the reason I chose to interview him. What's he like? He's very polite and respectful. I think he thinks that, you know, life is war and meant to be hard for men and it's meant to be easier for women. And, you know, he's got the more traditional values of a relationship with a man. And. And a woman. I'm not a woman, so I don't have the potential issue with his misogyny. But he's only ever been polite, respectful and generous with me in my dealings with him. And off camera he is. He has less bravado. As soon as the camera comes on, he comes to life and the chest comes out. But I would say what he says, his words, his values, I would say they're the same or seem to be the same off camera as on camera. So there it doesn't seem to be the. A different person on camera to off, just maybe more characterized.

Yeah, I've only interviewed him once and met him in person once, but that was my experience too. But I have always found him to be incredibly polite, incredibly respectful, very engaged, and I do feel like he's been set up. Rob, do you.

You're asking me the tough ones? Yes, the re. The. There's lots of things he said about the Matrix which me sound quite extreme and I'm not sure it's as organized. However, because he was cancelled by pretty much every bank and pretty much every social media channel just before midnight on New Year's Eve. That to me confirmed. When you take all the other evidence that that was a concerted attack across banks and media and there were some very powerful forces that combined to shut him down. If it had just been YouTube or just been tick tock, you might have looked at the. Some of the things he said in isolation and say, well, that's against their terms. And you know, he has said some edgy things down and maybe some of his posts should have been taken down or maybe he should have even been shut down from some channels. But all the banks, all the media, 11:55 on New Year's Eve, I mean that, that's to me too suspicious.

When they come for you, they come for you. And I've only had a tiny experience of it compared to Andrew Tate, but I definitely think the establishment know how to shut down voice that they disagree with. But Rob, that is why I love your podcast Disruptors. The link is in our podcast, sorry, is in our YouTube description, so I really recommend everyone follows it. I've got my episode pinned on my YouTube homepage as well and it was such a brilliant, fascinating conversation and I'm so delighted to have you on Outspoken. Please come back soon.

Thank you, Dan.

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