239: The Journey Series: Jenny Evans - Embracing RISK

Hey movers, it's Sally Koering Zimney with Be Moved, and welcome back to another episode here on This Moved Me. And today we have our 4th episode in the series of The Journey, our journey series, and I'm really excited to share with you a friend of mine named Jenny Evans. And Jenny is this just spunky spitfire awesome woman who I'd seen speak, and then we Then I had her on the podcast and then we started hanging out. I was like, "Jenny's amazing." I knew that really from moment one, of course. But Jenny and I had a fabulous conversation a few years ago about really risk in speaking and how we can push the boundaries in our speaking. And I am somebody who really believes that we don't do that enough, that our kind of regular go-to approaches in speaking gets old for our audiences and for us. And so when I think about our journey, we have to embrace risk. Risk is absolutely just a part of the journey. And I, I like thinking about our relationship with risk and authenticity and courage and all these things that we have talked about. I, I like to think of them as a relationship and a journey because sometimes we're up for it and other times we're not. So it's It's not this static thing. And so I think it's really important that we, that we refocus our attention every once in a while on these ideas. So right now we are refocusing our attention on this concept of embracing risk. And Jenny is a great person to talk to about this because she does some awesome, really unique stuff in her talks that are absolutely geared towards pushing herself and pushing her audience.

And I love it.

She's an amazing person and I'm really excited for you to hear a little bit more from her. Pulling it out of the archives, my friends, so that we can stay on the journey. So let's embrace risk together today with the phenomenal Jenny Evans. Hey movers, it's Sally Z with Be Moved. Let's go create some talks that will move this world.

World.

We're going to talk with amazing speakers, share tips, tricks, resources, and we are going to be moved so that our audience can be moved. This moved me. What is moving you?

All right. Well, Jenny, I'm super pumped to talk with you. Now, we have a mutual friend, right? Aside from me having seen you speak and I've used your exercise cards a little bit.

Yes, we have a wonderful mutual friend, Mr. John Sandahl. Is that who you're talking about?

I am. That's who I'm talking about.

Yeah. What an incredible human being.

I know. He's great. He's going to be on the show in a few months.

Oh, good, good.

I'm excited about that just because I know you guys do some work together, right? What do you guys do?

You know, we occasionally pair up for him to kind of do his work around change, um, and then kind of like the connection is, you know, change can cause a lot of stress even when it's good change in a corporation. And so You know, kind of coming at it from both perspectives of here's the physiology of what can happen during change and the associated stress, and then Jon does his magic on, you know, here are some ways, like psychologically— the word socially doesn't really fit, but like how do you as a team and a group that have to work together, how can you approach change and what are some tools to also minimize that stress to make the change positive and, you know, it might be challenging but it's not going to be insurmountable.

Right.

Yeah, and then he— I mean, eventually when I'm too busy to be able to make it to all of my engagements, John's also going to be presenting the resiliency stuff and I can't wait for him to do some because he's such a great presenter and like the ideas energy that he brings is his own thing.

No, totally. Yeah, and you both are obviously athletes to some extent or another, really into fitness and activity. So I mean, you've got to be living what you're talking about too.

Yeah, yeah, completely.

It's such a big part of who he is. Yeah.

Okay, so I'll actually meet you at the wedding, won't I?

Yeah, yeah, we'll be there. Excellent. That'll be really fun. We can process what's happening here. She's like, "Can you go edit that out?" I'm like, "Nope, just raw and off the cuff, Jenny.

That's what we're doing." Okay, bringing it in.

Jenny, so bring all of the listeners of This Moved Me kind of into your world. You've got tons of experience in, you know, on TV and on radio, and obviously as a live presenter and a speaker, you do tons of work there. Um, so how did you step into that world? You've got this performance side of what you do, and of course then the content of what you share, and they're different. So I'm curious how these two worlds came together for you.

Yeah, I never really consciously stepped into this world. I mean, ironically, as a little kid, I was the most uncoordinated person on the planet. I had stitches in my head twice before the age of 5.

Wow.

I had to wear these corrective shoes because I was pigeon-toed that we had to go to the next town over to buy, and they came in two styles: ugly, uglier. Those were my choices. Um, I had to have like these special inserts put into them. You know, this was back in the day when in phys ed, when it's time to split up for teams, the teacher picks the 2 team captains and then the rest of us line up against the wall. I was always chosen, you know, it was me and those last 3 to 4 other people. You know, presidential physical fitness testing, I always was the recipient of the I tried ribbon. And like why my school even bothered to spend resources on that because it went straight to the garbage. It's not like I'm gonna hang up this collection of how hard I tried, right?

Right.

I didn't really try that hard. So it still is ironic to me that what I'm doing is all based around, you know, exercise physiology and nutrition and performance. But what really happened— my mom signed me up for dance classes when I was 5 because that's how uncoordinated I was. She was like, you need some extra help. So when I got to college, I had this dream of being on the dance team. And, it kind of came about that the university was hiring aerobics instructors and I thought, "Well, this is like dancing." You know? And then, I'll get paid to work out but it's not like I'm a fitness freak or that I'm really good at sports. And so, just starting to learn the basics of anatomy and physiology was this gigantic aha moment of, "Oh my gosh." That's how the body actually works. And when you understand it, and you can give it the right stimulus to get it to adapt and change in the most amazing ways, I was completely hooked. And I changed my degree focus from psychology to exercise physiology, um, having no idea what I would end up doing because at the time you were a coach or you worked in a gym with that kind of education. And I had no desire to do either one of those things. And I thought, oh, tiny details, we'll just move on. Um, so I finished with a degree in kinesiology, a minor in psychology, and a minor in American Indian studies. And I thought, well, that—

I love it—

was a really expensive cluster. But, you know, in hindsight it could not have worked out any more perfectly because it was mind, body, spirit. And what happened, um, I started my own business while I was in college and it was really focused on working with individuals. So, um, personal and corporate fitness and wellness training. Eventually, I landed at Aveda as the director of wellness there and they did a great job of incorporating wellness into everything that they did. So, they'd often say, "You know, we're having this big 2 to 3-day meeting. We're bringing people in from all over the globe. We want you to talk about wellness for 20 minutes and you can do whatever you want." Hmm. You know, and I had this free license to just say, "Wow, what floats my boat? What am I really curious about? What do I think people might also want to know? What would be helpful?" to them, and I absolutely fell in love with sharing information with people that has the capacity to change their lives in some really amazing, incredible ways. Like, there's no better feeling than being with a group of people and seeing that look on their face when they have that aha moment. But I always also joke with people, I'm a speaker because I'm just really bossy. I don't know. I just, I really, this is what I was meant to be doing. And I feel so fortunate to have just, I don't know if fallen into it is the right word, but it's just that really cliché, you know, what color is your parachute? You know, do what you love and the money will follow. I am totally that person.

Are you?

Yeah. And so, I mean, I pinch myself every day that I, absolutely love my job. It's what I've always been curious about. I continue to be curious about it. I love learning and figuring out how many other ways can I present this information that's going to connect with people in a highly impactful way, but also in a way where we are going to have so much fun. We're going to have a great time and we're going to move and we're going to talk and we're going to share and we're going to be engaged.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So obviously, one of the things that you do is you're bringing together— your content is about stress resilience and how our bodies and our active lifestyles play into that. And then you're a speaker, which can be this really passive experience where your audience is sitting there and you're just talking at them. And I— what you're saying is you approach it really differently. Is that right?

I have to. I mean, I think, like, for my own sanity, I would not want to sit, like, motionless while I'm listening to somebody. But also, people learn best by doing, and it really wouldn't make a lot of sense for me to be talking about the importance of, you know, movement and nutrition and how our environment affects us and not get people up and moving. They're just— they're more actively engaged in the learning process, but also experiencing that this doesn't have to be difficult. It doesn't have to be complicated. It doesn't have to take a ton of time. That what we just did, I could do multiple times a day, every day, and it wouldn't be a big deal. And I think that's a big aha for people of Wow, this is not complicated. I know how to do it and I know the benefits and I'm pretty certain I can make this happen.

Yeah.

And what's funny is after you came and spoke to Youth Frontiers, the organization that I was at at the time, you kind of passed along some of these ideas were like, get up and get moving. And so we started some really funny traditions that I know have continued continued on at the office. We do like a 2:36 dance party for 4 minutes. We would put on a, um, pull up a YouTube video of like a Dance Dance Revolution, you know, song, and we would like try and learn the dance. And it was just, yeah, and really fun. And it would get our heart rate going and we'd be like, all right, done, now let's go sit back down. Yeah.

And you know, not only are you doing something that's good for your resiliency, your health, and your performance, but it's also fostering a sense of just teamwork and camaraderie. And we don't have to be so freaking serious all the time.

Right.

Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah, I saw that as the biggest benefit. It was fun. I wasn't like, "Done. I just worked out for 4 minutes." But it was like— You know, it was a good time. And that's really important. So I just want you to know, like, we have these experiences as an audience, and we took in something really specific there. And, you know, we did lots of other things too, but I thought that one was kind of fun to share how it lives on. Yeah.

Yeah. Good.

All right. So let's talk about you as a speaker. You know, you have some really specific experience out in front of a camera, and I know on the radio a bit too, and in front of a live audience. So how do you translate your approach to some of these different audiences? Like, what's your favorite— let's start there— what's your favorite mode?

Probably live audience. Okay, is my favorite mode because you get that that energy in return. And you can then change and adapt what you need to do based on what you're seeing from the audience or what they're even telling you or not telling you sometimes. And though it's fun to be in front of like a huge, huge group of people, I like a group where you can actually make those personal connections in the group and have like those moments and individually ask somebody a question or ask them to expand on something. That having that ability for those moments of human connection, that's what really gets me.

Right, totally. I completely agree with you. But I know you're up in front of thousands of people sometimes, and how do you find that human connection when you're in that huge conference center or whatever you're doing?

Yeah, I think then I just get super excited by the mathematical probability. Yeah, that it now just increased maybe the number of people that might take away and do differently one or two things in their life that not are gonna help them really live up to their full potential, but when they do that then how is that going to affect them as a leader, as a parent, as a friend, just like a member of the human race? That gets me excited because now my odds of influence are much greater. And I think like that's then what kind of gives me that energy and passion and excitement that I have a chance to really do something big right now.

Yeah, yeah. And so over the last few years, you know, you've, you've got a book, and I know— did you just finish a book tour? Is that right? Am I remembering that right?

Um, not necessarily a book tour, but definitely, you know, a push to develop some speaking content specifically around the book and to promote the book.

Okay, well, let's talk about that because I There's a lot of people I work with or talk to who are in the midst of that process, taking all their ideas and putting it together into digestible content that excites people and that they can bring out into the world. So how is that process for you? Besides being a speaker, there's this whole other creation part of what we do. Do you enjoy that part as well?

Yes, and simultaneously no. I learned, wow, so much about that process because after really looking into it, I decided to self-publish. And it's one of those things, had somebody told me what I was really getting into in the beginning, I might have been too scared to do it. Luckily, nobody told me. And so, I just jumped in and thought, "This is going to be doable and this is going to be great. It's going to be fun." Right. I don't know, I still am in a little bit of disbelief that I actually did it because it ended up being a pretty big book.

But I mean, this is like a— it's like a full book.

Yeah, it's a pound and a half.

Yeah.

Um, in the beginning I got really overwhelmed, you know, looking at the outline and how many chapters and what was going to have to go into each chapter and It's frightening and it made me just feel like it was too insurmountable. And then I had this moment of like, "Hey, Jenny, guess what? That's what a lot of people in your audiences feel like when it comes to exercise and nutrition." And what do you tell them? I always tell them, "You know what? What's one thing that you can do today? Just one thing." And it might be a big thing, it might be a little thing, but when you just do that one thing and then tomorrow you do one thing, eventually, before you know it, you will have accomplished quite a bit. And so I changed my mindset to, "Jenny, you have to sit down every morning." That's my most productive time. "And you have to write." There's no— I don't have to write a certain number of pages. I don't have to write for a certain amount of time, but you just need to write. And if all you write is a sentence today, well, You are one sentence closer to being done. And by taking that pressure off and just making those consistent small investments, 8 months it took me from start to finish. I mean, I had years' worth of research that I had been accumulating. And granted, that 8 months, it felt like a long time. But when I look back now, that was pretty quick.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

For me anyway. Maybe there's other people that can crank things out a lot faster than that, but—

I think that's highly unusual.

But you know what? I also had a really, really great editor. And in the beginning, somebody really helped me sit down and just create this airtight outline. So once I had that outline, I'm not going to say the book kind of wrote itself, but I just totally had this framework and then I just had to fill in the framework.

Mm-hmm. I just used that similar process with a speaker who had to create a keynote in a really short amount of time. Like, he just kind of got thrown into this huge keynote, sort of a high-pressure situation, and we did not have a lot of time together. And I was like, all right, let's build the framework. And so together we built the framework, and then I said, okay, now you go write, just fill in this framework, and then we'll come back and do it. And it was the fastest I've seen anybody get to full content. You know, it still took quite a while before we could freeze the content. I would say we never quite got there because we didn't have that kind of time. But building that frame, if you can start there, It just helps you feel like, okay, I know what the next step is. And, you know, it makes it digestible. Little bitty pieces. Okay, I can do that.

Yeah, it's like having a, um, a guide of some sort, like a literal person just kind of walking you through, and you're like, oh, this, this isn't so scary, or I don't feel quite so directionless.

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so Jenny, for you, what would you say is your biggest challenge? Um, obviously you're a very accomplished speaker, but what, what's something you still struggle with?

How much time do we have? I would say professionally, what I— I love being an entrepreneur, but, um, I'm an extremely social person. I love being around other people, like the exponential energy that comes creatively when you're around other people. And so, you know, being an entrepreneur and a speaker, I'm alone a lot of the time. You know, when you're traveling, you're alone in the airport, you're alone in the hotel room, and you're on stage. And sometimes when it's a really big audience and you're not really having that one-on-one connection— sounds bizarre to say, but but you're kind of alone on that stage as well. And so if, if there was something that I could change about what I do and how I do it, I'd love to have a lot of really awesome co-workers, um, that would be fun to just take breaks with and just shoot the breeze or to collaborate with. And just people that share a lot of the same values, i.e., um, how do you just continue to grow as a person and how can we help other people grow as people? But let's have a ton of fun while we do it. Let's see how creative we can possibly be while doing it.

I always do my best work when I'm collaborating with people. You know, some people just like 'Leave me alone so I can create what I want to create.' And I'm like, I need, I need other people pushing and stretching me or coming up with ideas, or I get ideas from other people's ideas, you know. So yeah, it, it's, it's a challenge I face too. It's so true. Now, would you make up a song about trying to get better at something?

I try.

What are we as speakers working on and how can we get better at it?

When I'm with that sports, I always try to be better.

Coach's Corner.

Okay, well, really specifically then, we do this new coaching segment on This Moved Me where I put the question out to every speaker I talk with and work with. Like what is a speaking challenge that you are trying to tackle right now, um, something that you're working on or trying to get better at, and how are you doing it?

Okay, it's funny the timing of this because I have just had, um, 5 weeks of being at home, which is just strange.

Yeah.

And I kind of freaked out, like, well, how am I gonna have a sense of accomplishment at the end of each day, just, you know, mowing the lawn and, you know, going for a run or whatever. So I did have my list of things to do around the house, but I also decided to take this time. The 60-minute version of what I do, I just, I really felt like it just had not reached its maximum potential. I just felt like it needs something else. It just it's not landing as well as I want it to. And so I started thinking, how can I redesign this 60-minute keynote? But it actually went further of my old model or story was, okay, I only have 60 minutes with these people. And so I need to vomit as much content on top of them as I possibly can. So I give them every tool possible. And I think that was part of my problem. And I was taking out like the interactive pieces because I was telling myself we don't have time for that. And I've come to this place where I actually want to rethink what a 60-minute keynote really is.

Why—

I don't even want to— I want to create a 60-minute experience that is going to be so out of the ordinary that people will just be sitting there and going, what the hell is happening right now?

I like that goal. I like that.

This is different. How can I do something that's gonna just, you know, just bombard as many senses as possible? What can I do to the room? And my, my goal has been what would I be able to get away with? Like, how crazy could I—

Nice, I love that question.

Yeah, and it has been so fun, and I now have this binder of crazy things that I could do. But now I'm at the point where, okay, lots of creative experiences that will educate and motivate through this experience instead of just vomiting content Now, how do I actually funnel this down into 60 minutes and get it focused? And so I've just completely blown it apart. But I think it takes such a long time of like, "Yeah, I'm walking into corporate America and there's going to be a PowerPoint presentation." And I, you know, maybe if I'm crazy, I might play a little music while people are walking in. Whoa, why does every 60-minute keynote kind of have to follow this same format? And so how can I just completely take the rules away from it and come up with something fun and compelling and creative and crazy that I'll be standing there just going like, oh my God, I hope I hope this doesn't just blow up in my face.

Well, and you won't know until you try it, which is the scary part and the exciting part. Yeah, look at it that way. I love that, um, because that's the only way we're gonna continue to evolve this, because you're right, I think the, the bar keeps changing a little bit, very, very slowly, in terms of people's expectations. And I love to surprise people just enough that they're like, "Oh, alright, this is gonna be different." Alright, I'm gonna put this out there because it will be an accountability thing for me. Okay, yeah.

As a hobby, I am an aerialist and I've always had this fantasy that, you know, I'm on stage and I'm speaking and I'm in my professional gear and at some precise moment I will rip away my corporate gear and there will be, you know, I'll be wearing my circus unitard. I know people are like, just stop right there. That's amazing. And aerial apparatus will drop down and all of a sudden I will start doing an aerial routine.

Oh my gosh.

And people will just be like, who's this crazy lady? So I'm now trying to figure out what's the thread to this crazy aerial circus moment to resiliency. I really want to see that.

That would be amazing. People will remember that, I think, Jenny.

Both potentially as good or what not to do.

Oh my gosh, it's awesome. Okay, well, when you figure it out, will you circle back to me and let me know?

I'll let you know what happened afterwards because I just don't want you to show up. I don't want anybody that I know to be there the first time.

Just Just pick the right kind of audience where you don't know anybody and see what happens. Yeah. That's awesome.

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All right, so Jenny, we are at sort of getting to the end of our time, and as you know, at the end of every episode we do a This Moved Me moment, sharing an inspiration, a story, something that has moved us so that we as speakers can stay inspired and share that inspiration, help it fuel our work. So I, I have one. Do you have one?

I have kind of a couple. Why don't you do yours and then that'll help me to decide which one I want to do.

Okay, uh, I'm gonna pull out this book. Um, so my, my, my kids started back at school and I decided that in order to sort of like focus my life and try and bring some calm, I was like gonna get up early and read or do something sort of meditative, although I can't quite meditate. I can't quiet my brain quite that much. But I found this book with the help of my mother-in-law, who's just super smart in this way. She gave me this book called The Book of Awakening. By Mark Nepo, I think, N-E-P-O. Anyway, every day he has a quote and then some really powerful thoughts and then leaves you with like, you know, kind of some meditation exercises to do. And I walked into this really, really skeptically, like, I know this is probably not going to work for me, but I need to try and build this into my life a little bit more. So, um, I want to share the quote that was on September 9th, so long past once this gets published, but September 9th, and the title of the day's meditation is "You Know Too Much," and I'm going to read this little anecdote by Leroy Little Bear. It says, two scientists traveled halfway around the world to ask a Hindu sage what he thought about their theories. When they arrived, he kindly brought them into his garden and poured them tea. Though the two small cups were full, the sage kept pouring. Tea kept overflowing, and the scientists politely but awkwardly said, "Your Holiness, the cups can hold no more." The sage stopped pouring and said, "Your minds are like the cups. You know too much. Empty your minds and come back. Then we'll talk." And there it is, Leroy Little Bear. And I was like, "Ooh, empty your mind," which I struggle with so much. But I was thinking about that in the context of how we, how we as speakers come in with our minds absolutely full. Like, I know all of this, I am expert, I know who you are, I've got you all figured out. And what an unhelpful thing that actually is if we're connecting, if we're really trying to like build community. It's like, no, actually, I know what I know, but I know nothing about you, and I know nothing about what I'm trying to pull from you. And so to me, it's like this really interesting idea of audience and speaker. And how to bridge that divide, the speaker has to not put themselves on the audience, but actually go to the audience and try and pull out who the audience is and what they think and what they need first, and ask them to come join you, if that makes sense.

It's like you knew what I needed, Sally.

Well, there you go. I just had a feeling. I was like, I'm gonna read that one.

I might have to get that one from you because I am the type of person that when, as I'm preparing my presentations, you know, it's all about, you know, science and, um, yeah, you know, I want people to know like this, this is the real deal. This isn't something that I just pull out from nowhere, or like you can trust this information. And I think sometimes I get so caught up in content and what I want to tell you that I forget to just, wow, just relax and just show up for these people and what they need. You are not gonna know until you get there, and you'll never know if you don't make space for it.

Yeah, and, uh, it's a mistake to come in completely on point, to have it absolutely frozen and figured out. I was working with a speaker the other day, and I, you know, he was really, really wanting to memorize every single thing, and I was like, listen, I want you to feel confident. I want you to know what your beats are. I want you to know your talk, but leave room for the unknown. Leave room for the unexpected moments that will for sure happen so you can respond to them and be present in the moment. And so it's a really difficult balance, but he, he's, he got it, I think. So we'll see what happens.

And what I've noticed is when you have those moments, that's where some of the best content actually comes out.

Totally.

Yeah. Of it's almost better to— I mean, I get that. I mean, I'm the preparation queen, but the things that have just happened during discussions or questions or people opening up, that's where the powerful stuff oftentimes really comes from.

For sure. All right, Jenny, how about you? What's your "this moved me" moment for today?

I've kind of got two of them. One is an article that my wife actually actually sent me that was in On Being. Ooh, I love that. And this gentleman wrote a post about how the internet is really kind of changing our existence in that, do you really exist unless you're getting likes, shares, tweets? You know, and I think like as a speaker or like a business person, when you're trying to get yourself out there, You know, the internet and social media is such a great tool to be able to do that, but then there's also— you're setting yourself up for this external validation.

Yeah.

You know, well, was that blog post that I wrote less valuable because for some reason it didn't get shared as much as I want to? Or if I don't have the number of Facebook followers that I really want to, is that make me feel less valuable as not only a speaker, but a human being. And it was just sort of like this big head explosion for me. You know, our existence in the digital world and how much it's about other people, and oftentimes other people that we don't even know, have never met, and probably never will, but how much of our sense of identity and value is tied into that. And then the other moment, you know, as I've been kind of trying to rework how— what sort of an experience I create, trying to figure out how do I really share more of myself and humanize myself a little bit more. And You know, a lot of— one of the things that I talk about is stress. And I was having a conversation with somebody the other day and I said, you know, the most stressful time of my life was going through divorce. And I happened to fall in love with my best friend who was a woman and was just the most simultaneously painful and blissful time of my life. And just how much I learned about myself as a person and other people, but also, you know, just physiologically the amount of stress that I went through during that time. But it's a story that I don't often share with groups unless I'm maybe with them for maybe a full day and it's toward the end of the day. You know, like, you have to understand your audience and know when it's appropriate to share and how much to share. But It's one of those things where I get uncomfortable even talking about it because I can actually feel that stress and that was 10 years ago.

Yeah.

But it's also something that I know I probably need to share because I have a little bit of fear around that, that vulnerability, you know.

Yeah.

I mean, you talk about, you know, Brené Brown and putting yourself out there of if I feel really vulnerable, sharing that, that's probably the best way for me to humanize myself with the audience of, you know what, I'm— man, I am so human too, and I have my moments where I'm, I'm so far from my best.

Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh, Jenny, thanks for sharing that and talking about it. All right, so yeah, the, the bringing our personal experience to the universal. That's exactly it. I think you've got it right there.

Yeah. You know, as human beings, we all kind of struggle with the major things in life and we all pretty much want the same major things in life and there's just so much more that we all have in common than we do different. And I think when we recognize that, it just becomes so much easier to let your guard down and let people in and have opportunity for open, honest communication. Experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey everybody, thanks so much for listening along with us on the Journey series. I am loving bringing back up these incredible conversations, some of them I had years ago, and they're just buried in a pile that is way too big of other great great conversations, but I thought, oh my gosh, as we are really being challenged in the journey right now, I wanted to just super serve you with inspiration, ahas, and all kinds of good stuff. So, uh, the best of the best are coming to you in this journey series.

It's gonna be so good.

I hope you're loving it. I hope you're feeling it. And I have for you a quick workbook. That I would love for you to go download. It's kind of like a study guide for you as you're walking through this. So you can go to bmoove.com/journey and download this beautiful study guide with some of the key inspiration as we move along, a way for you to capture your ahas, the quotes that have jumped out at you, and how you're going to apply these to own journey, because really that's what it's all about. Okay? I'm here to empower you, to continue to push you out front so that as you are moving along on this journey, you are doing the big important work. And just reminding yourself, the journey is the there.

That's what we're—

that's our job right now, is to just be on the journey. So I hope these conversations help you with that. We've got some— another one coming up for you that's going to be fabulous. And I know that because they're all fabulous. Yes. All right. This moved me.

What's moving you?

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