277 - The Science of Confidence with Rebecca Heiss

Fear. It is just a part of what we do as speakers, but it does not have to hold us back. And yes, even the best speakers face their fears time and again. Me too. I love speaking and I get freaked out sometimes. We should be facing our fears. Fear and speaking, they go together. If there's no fear in your speaking, I'm worried you're not challenging yourself enough. So let's talk about this fear. Hey movers, it's Sally Z with Be Moved. Let's go create some talks that will move this world. We're going to talk with amazing speakers, share tips, tricks, resources, and we are going to be moved so that our audience can be moved.

This moved me.

What is moving you? Hey everybody. Welcome back to This Moved Me. My name is Sally Koering Zimney and I am so delighted to be your speaker coach because I empower big-hearted entrepreneurs and change makers like you to leverage your authentic voice, scale your impact, and have the kind of growth and authority that you have always dreamed of. Speaking can do that. So that's what we're talking about together here on the show today. What is moving me is this idea of fear, tackling our fears, that fears are just a part of speaking, and that's okay. It is okay. Sometimes I think people think that if they have fears in their speaking, it means something, like maybe they shouldn't be speaking, or maybe they can never be awesome at speaking. Speaking, or just other people who are really good at it don't have fears, which is absolutely not true. If you are not tapping into some kind of nerves, you're probably just not challenging yourself enough. You're taking the easy route. So I thought it would be awesome to bring on the show with me today an expert on fear and what happens in our bodies And her name is Rebecca Heiss. Now, I'm holding Rebecca's brand new book. Came out today, like literally it just arrived, so I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but I loved my conversation with Rebecca. She is a delight and she has studied what happens in our bodies when we are facing our fears. Let me read this to you. Rewire your brain with science-backed solutions to increase productivity and achieve success. So she's really talking about what's going on in our brain and how can we rewire it to do bigger things, to get past our fears and to, you know, make a bigger impact. So this is truly what's going on on the inside. Plus what's so awesome is that Rebecca is also a keynote speaker herself. So she's speaking from her own experience to all of you today as a speaker, but also bringing with her all the smarts and knowledge. PhD, people. PhD. She's big time. Plus, she's so funny. So I'm really excited for you to check out this show with her. All right, now before we dive into the show, it's my moment to invite you into the Emerging Speaker Society. This is the brand new Facebook group. You do not want to miss out all of the fun that is happening over there. We are doing daily inspiration, weekly trainings happening over there where we all show up live and people can ask me questions and I'm bringing some new insight and we dig a little bit deeper into the show that we talk about here together. It's like the next level over in the Facebook group. And then every once in a while we do these monthly challenges that are super fun as well, all to help you uplevel your speaking, take you from a newbie to an emerging speaker to a pro speaker. You are making consistent consistent revenue from your speaking, planned revenue. You know, I'm speaking so much, I'm getting paid on the regular. That's awesome. Let's do that more, right? Right. Okay, so you definitely want to come check out what is happening in this group. We would love to see you there. You can find us over at bemoved.com/ess. All right, my friends, let's jump into the show with Rebecca Heist.

This is my book, right? It's all about fear. I know, it's very exciting. It's all about fear and what drives us and like, yeah, mindset, how we can adjust our mindsets to say fear, excitement, same thing, it's fine. Yeah.

Yes. Okay, so that's a real thing. I say that and I have been saying that for years. That the difference between fear and excitement is literally how you see it and, and your own, like, interpretation of it. It's the same physical experience. Yeah. Am I— is that real?

You're totally— it's correct.

Yeah, that's—

that is 100% accurate. So literally, the, the brain releases these— well, starts in your brain, goes down to your adrenals. You release cortisol, adrenaline, right? All of these neurotransmitters that make you go, woo, And then you have to decide, right? Is this a fear response? Am I stressed about something? Am I anxious or am I excited? Because it's the exact same thing. It's just the story that you tell yourself. And the thing that I tell people is like, your brain literally believes the story that you tell it, right? It 100% believes the story.

Okay. Rebecca, I want to give you a chance to share with us. A little bit of your story.

Actually, I'm going to tell you a story because I think it does apply later on to how I approach speaking. I knew that I wanted to be on stage when I was 8 years old. Like, I knew I loved theater. I loved it. But I went to my 4-H because that's where you could be on stage, right? There's not big theater opportunities. And I won my, like, city competition for public speaking, and I moved on to county, and I won that. And now I'm, like, feeling confident, and people are talking about this, like, hey, she's pretty good at that. And I made it to States and I went to States and the day of the competition, I played sick because I was so scared of failing. Right. I was so scared. I let all these fears drive my behaviors. And I guarantee you each and every one of us has some story like that, right? Where we let our fears dictate our behavior. And it took me 4 degrees in biology to get back to being on stage, to get back to the thing that I love, because I felt like I had to prove myself. I had something to, you know, to show the world like I can do things. And so I do love biology. That is my background. I started as an ornithologist, uh, that's a bird nerd for those of you— I know, really? Yeah, that's so fun. I, I studied crows, those big beautiful black birds that everybody hates. They're my babies. Yeah, I studied them for a decade. For a decade? That's the whole first half of my career. Anyway, moving on from that, I ended up doing a master's degree looking at evolution and human behavior. I got really interested in understanding why we behave the way we do. I was using birds as a model. Did a PhD in stress physiology, again, using birds as a model, understanding how our bodies respond to stress. And ended up, you know, as a professor teaching, and I opened a school as one of the founding members of a school. Based in impact-based learning and innovation and had an opportunity to give a TEDx. And I was like, oh boy, right back to that 8-year-old self. You know, I could feel this, whew, and gave the TEDx and haven't looked back. I have been so fortunate in my career in being able to use the biology, which is the basis of all of my knowledge, and incorporate it into business and say, look, there are so many behaviors that are driven by our body, by the way our body reacts to various stimuli. And if we can get control over that, if we control this, I mean, wow, what an opportunity. Most people— there's a superhuman power if you can gain control over your own fear. If you can operate from this conscious cognitive gift of a brain that we all have, you're a superhuman. You know, that's, that's the basis of it.

So I do think that it is the final step stage in full professionalism as a speaker. And I don't mean that in any specific way, like you have been dubbed a professional, but, but taking us from— I'm so focused on my content and I want to get my content right, and we kind of obsess over the slides, and we're just like trying to all the— to control all these things, and we're not focused on this piece up here. And this is where the whole game is.

It's the magic.

It is everything because you can do everything right and not have your head in the game in the right way or the most helpful way or in a way that really lets you be present and it doesn't matter.

Yeah. And you know, I'll tell you, that's exactly— that was my experience when I first started speaking. I was like, here's some facts and here's some facts and here's some facts and And nobody connects with that, right? I wasn't calm enough. I wasn't over these fears enough to have an engaging, emotional, frontal lobe kind of conversation with people. And that's what we crave as humans, right? We crave this connection, this belonging, this, she sees me, right? This is, ah. And if we're in a state of, ah, nobody is going to feel seen or heard, even though you're doing the speaking. Yeah.

Oh, it's, it's so true. And, and it's interesting. So in my, my Signature Talk Studio course, I used to start with mindset because I was like, this is so important. It's really, really important. But what I found was when people really needed it was after they had developed all of their content. Because it is the thing that makes the difference between I'm here and I'm going to do this thing. And I went through the process and I, and I've got my content, I've got everything all together. And the sparkle, the wow, the enjoyment of these opportunities that we have with each other. Because if we are, if we cannot bring a little sparkle, if we cannot show up wanting to truly connect with the people we're talking to, nobody's going to care.

Oh gosh, that's it. That is so— you just nailed it. That's exactly it. It's the sparkle. It's the fun. Like if I'm not having fun, nobody out there is having fun. We're not going to have a good time together. So until we can get to that space, you nailed it right there. I've never heard it articulated quite that well. Just bring the fun, bring the enjoyment from inside here and then everybody else will have it.

Yeah. So I was listening to a podcast yesterday with a woman and she was talking about the selling intangibles and she has a background as a pitch artist. Her name is Stacy Behman, B-O-E-H-M-A-N. She works with life coaches and she helps teach them how to sell and make money as a life coach. I'm not a life coach, but I am a coach and I do a lot of selling and I was like, oh, I'm so curious to hear her. Well, she has this fascinating background. She's a She was a pitch artist, like the person in the big box stores selling lint rollers, and she's a theater background. So I was like, she is so fascinating.

Huh.

I'd never heard her talk about the intangibles of selling, which is what I talk about when I'm like bringing your authentic voice and being present and connected and the energy that you have behind what you're saying, and that what we're talking about right now is this sparkle. Well, I think those are the intangibles that we are trying to get ourselves to a place where we can bring that, and it's a mind game.

Yeah, it is. And, and the, the cool thing about, like, when you look at the biology of sort of communication and, and audiences is you— the— have you heard of mirror neurons before?

Yes. Yes.

Right. Okay. So the idea that if I'm interacting with you, you're actually picking up on my emotion and my intention and reflecting that back to me. So if I show up, right, and I, here I am, I'm going to deliver this big speech to you and I show up and I'm like, so Sally, and I'm so worried for you. You're nervous for me. Like that's the connection, right? Our audience is going, oh, I want you to be You're okay. You're okay. Get her out of there. This is not good.

Right.

Right. But if I show up and I am having fun, it is hard. It's like why laughter is so contagious. If I sit here and I just like gawk it up and I'm like, ahahaha, and we start laughing, you can't help but smile.

Yeah.

And so there's this great opportunity for us to bring that through ourselves to our audiences and have that reflected back to us.

Mm. Oh yes. Mirror neurons is that level of connection where we are co— I call it co— we're co-creating with the audience. They are imagining what we are saying and it's based on their own life experiences. And so it's this— it's really trippy actually, when you really think about it.

I'm like, yeah, it kind of is. Absolutely. It's very meta.

It's so cool.

I love it. Okay.

So Rebecca, let's get— if we can take a few minutes, let's get really specific about what we can do. Let's dive into your expertise. We'll pull it out front to bring the body from a place of fear where the body's having a different reaction, all the hormones that are flooding the system that are pulling us out of the moment. What can we do? What are some steps that we can take in the moment to get our head straight and our body in line?

Yeah, it's great. So in that moment, there's not much you can do, and that's great. It truly is. It truly is, because your body's taken over. And so we control the tips of our fingers, right? We're in an environment, we don't control the environment. If we're there, the only thing that we can control is between our ears. It's the interpretation of the experience. So I talk a lot about whether things are going to be an adventure or an ordeal. That's what you control. Your body is releasing chemicals. You don't have control over that. The cool thing is that those chemicals that you're releasing get interpreted here and you do have control over this, right? So if you're feeling this stress and this anxiety and oh my gosh, you can say, Oh, I must be excited. And that shift is very subtle. It's the exact same hormones, right? Fear and excitement, same adrenaline and cortisol cocktail. But the interpretation is, huh, all right, I'm excited. So if I'm excited, what would I do if I was excited? Well, I'd smile, right? I'd smile because I'm excited. And I'm going to take a deep breath because I'm safe. Right? Nothing bad is going to happen here. I don't need to be in fear. I'm safe. So that breathwork that we talked about, I don't want to— well, I do. I'm going to overemphasize it because it's so, so important. It is what you have control over. And that single slow, deep breath that you take allows this whole cluttering, like chatter back here in the subconscious to shut off and turn on this frontal lobe. That is literally what turns on your frontal lobe, where you're making conscious cognitive decisions from. If you want control over your executive portion of your brain, it's all about taking slow breaths and signaling to your body, I'm not in danger, I'm not in danger. This isn't a tiger. I'm not about to get pounced on. The worst thing that happens is what? I freeze. Okay. All right. And then I can take a breath and try again. And then, oh gosh, I'm going to say something wrong. Okay. And then I can own my mistake. And it turns out we like people more when they screw up. It's, I call it, I call it the Jennifer Lawrence effect, right? You, we love Jennifer Lawrence. She's a great actress, but she's, she does stupid stuff all the time. Like she falls on red carpet events and she doesn't get up and like, oh, nothing happened. No, she gets up, she's laughing, she owns it, and we love her for it. So keeping in mind that it's actually, it's, there's science behind it. It's called the Pratt effect. And when we are human, right? When we allow ourselves to own our mistakes and just say, well, that was a disaster. We're more likable. We're trusted more. People see higher leadership potential in us. The original Pratt effect design study, they had an interviewee come in and answer like 90% perfectly accurate answers. Then a second interviewee came in, exact same thing, 90% perfectly. Just before he left though, he had a cup of coffee and he kind of like spilled it on himself. Oh geez, clumsy, right? Who gets hired? Of course the one who makes the mistake, right? And, and is seen as more valuable, more committed, more leadership potential. All of these things that play out because we're vulnerable, we're human, we're making these errors, and it's It's not life or death. It's fine. Take that deep breath.

This is so huge to me because I talk about this. I talk about this all the time with my speakers that your perfect story, you just sharing everything that you know and saying, here's all of my advice and my— here's all the good stuff essentially. Yeah, I might admire it from afar and appreciate it from afar. Yeah, but I'm not gonna believe that I can do it, right?

I don't relate to that.

Yeah, I don't want to say that.

Yeah, no way.

So I love it. So Pratt, as in like a pratfall, like the P-R-A-T-T, the Pratt effect. I love it.

I didn't know it was a real thing. That's a real thing.

I love it when eventually all my theories get validated.

I know. I, I am— I'll tell you what, Sally, here's the deal. Please keep talking about this, but can we call it the Jennifer Lawrence effect? Because I am like bound and determined to get her on one of my podcasts and just have her gasp in a massive way and be like, yes, that is why we love you.

We're renaming it the Jennifer Lawrence effect.

Thank you. Thank you. Just feel like we'd be tight friends. Do you see that right there? That's the tip for your speakers, right? Because you feel relatable. You feel— I like, I feel like I know her. I don't know her. I have no clue who she is.

Right.

But I feel like I can relate to her.

Yeah. Yeah.

Because I know I do that stuff, right? I know I gap. I know I fall. I'm clumsy. I get that.

Yeah, totally. Oh my gosh, I love it. We just renamed the Pratt Effect the Jennifer Lawrence Effect, which is— okay, so one more thing I want to pick your brain on, and that is this concept of confidence, right? Which is, you know, we all want more confidence for ourselves in the big moments in particular.

Sure.

But getting to a place of confidence I want to hear you talk about that a little bit because I think I know your approach on this and your philosophy. And I think it's really important for us to hear from a neurological standpoint how you actually get to confidence.

You lie. I mean, you heard it here first. You lie. Seriously, you start lying to yourself. If I don't feel confident, okay, I'm confident. Here we go. It's a complete self-deception. And yet our brains are literally built for self-deception. We self-deceive all the time when it serves us. So we can use that to our advantage if our brains are already aligned to do that. Look, 93% of us believe that we're better than the average driver. That statistically doesn't work out. And I'm like, I know that I'm one of those. Like, I know I'm better than the average driver. No, of course not. But this whole concept of self-deceit is built into our brains, so we can use it to our advantage. When I say lie to yourself, I mean it, right? You're not going to believe yourself when you first start saying, I'm a good speaker, I'm a good speaker, I'm just going to walk out and I'm going to blow them away. And it sounds so cheesy because it sounds just like those, like the SNL character from the early '90s. They're like, I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. Doggone it. People like me.

Right.

But it turns out there's science that backs that.

Right.

So the more we repeat these stories to ourselves, the more our brain buys into them and the more our brain buys into them, the more we actually react. Our bodies react as if it were true. Yeah. And so if we start with a lie, it can become the truth. Yeah. So again, telling yourself, repeating it, putting it up on, on, on the wall so you see it every morning, repeating these mantras to yourself is huge. And, and I'm, I'm also a big fan of meditation. So meditation is what allows you to, to separate the gap between a stimulus and a response. Most of us will just react, right? We're just, we're in a point of stress. We just react. And that's that fight, flight, freeze response. If we meditate, we have a little more space between that stimulus of stepping on stage and how we choose to respond. So it gives us that pause, that momentary breath to say, is this a story that's helping me right now? Am I telling myself I'm going to fail? I don't need you right now. Come back later. Right. And we can replace all of those automatic negative thoughts that I'm a failure, I'm going to get rejected with what I call P.E.T.S. If automatic negative thoughts are ants, right, which just come and swarm our brains, then these practiced enlightened thoughts, pets, cute, right? Can, can serve as replacements because we know from The Power of Habit, right? You can't just quit something. If you're a smoker, you can't just give up smoking. You have to replace it with something like maybe chewing gum. Same thing with our brain. If our brain is conditioned for these automatic negative thoughts, we can't just quit them. We can't just smush all of those ants and say, I'm never going to think of myself as a failure again. We have to replace it with something else. So instead of, I'm a failure, oh, I'm not ready yet. All right, what am I going to do to prepare myself? Or instead of, I, I'm going to be rejected, I'm going to be amazing. And anybody who rejects me, they need to find themselves a better tribe, right? These, these stories can be replaced, but it takes practice. It takes effort. Pets require care.

Oh, That's so cute and so great. I love it.

Yes.

Oh my gosh. Okay, so my homework for people listening is I want you to identify one ANT, automatic negative thought, and find a replacement. Snuff it out with a PET.

Yes. Practice enlightened thought because you can have an enlightened thought anytime. Like, I'm good. I'm a really good speaker. And then it goes away, right? Those practice enlightened thoughts require the care of a pet. Yeah, take care of it.

Yeah. So I've heard it talked about too, that if you're telling yourself something and you don't buy it yet, you, you have to believe harder. Believe it harder. You haven't convinced yourself yet, and that's fine. You're just at the beginning stages of this practicing of the enlightened thoughts, right? So believe harder.

Yeah. So Sally, the example that I give to people is like, do you remember the first time that you drove a car?

Vaguely.

Slightly terrifying though. Like your hands are kind of in two and you're like looking at, oh my gosh, there's pedestrians and speedometers and so much to pay attention to. And now you're like rolling down the sidewalk, you know, like with my one hand on the wheel and I'm talking to the kids. I'm not even paying attention. Right? Because I've trained my subconscious to drive for me. If you can train your subconscious to do this complex task of driving, we can certainly train it to override stories that aren't helpful anymore.

Right.

But it takes practice. It takes time. You have to put in the time to become a great driver, right? Or a great speaker.

Oh, so good. There are so many awesome nuggets in this, Rebecca. So, so fabulous. Okay, before we go, I'd love to hear very quickly a "this moved me" moment that has happened for you lately, because I think we as leaders and speakers, we need to pay really close attention to what's moving us so that we can then turn that around and move our audience. So what's been moving you lately?

Oh my gosh, that is, that is a really good question because I get moved so easily. I, I've never had that perspective before of it offered up as maybe that's because I'm paying attention because I'm a speaker and because I need to use those moments. So I'm going to take that nugget. Thank you. What moves me, I think, is the power— actually, this is a great example and it's so cheesy because it's not an emotional thing at all. The GameStop thing that's happening right now with stock market. So this group of complete amateurs, right, decided they want to take down the man and they they collaborated, they have this amazing community and they've done it. Like, like that actually moved me because I started thinking about the power of community and cooperation and belonging. And even if, you know, there's the beautiful thing about this incredible world that we live in right now with 8 billion other individuals is there is always an opportunity to find your community. And things that you're doing like this podcast that bring a community together, I think are so powerful. There's so many powerful moments that get shared that can transcend the most big powerful things on earth, like stock markets and hedge funds and, you know, much bigger enemies. So I think, I think what's moving me right now is the power of cooperation and how, how a single individual, a single thought, a single idea can can unite people and, and do— I mean, I don't want to say do good in that context, but, you know, do something, make me change, right?

Yeah, absolutely. I just— and I'll share this as my This Moved Me moment to, to piggyback off of what you just shared. Yeah, is there's a woman I follow on Instagram, her name is Sharon Says So.

Oh, I love it already.

She is— she's a fellow Minnesotan, so I feel like a kinship with her. But she teaches government to adults and she's all about trying to create a fact revolution. Right. So she's trying to snuff out, you know, dangerous ideas that are being spread as fake news. Right.

Sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, and she's fabulous and nobody can figure out if she's a conservative or a liberal or a Democrat, right? It's so fascinating. She's really fun and funny and so knowledgeable. So I've really enjoyed connecting with her. Her page has just taken off in the last few months for good reason, right? So she now has some influence and power, but I don't think she really gets it yet. And so she set out a goal to raise some money for the— it's called RIP Medical Debt, I think, to help essentially eliminate people's medical debt.

Oh my gosh.

And this organization— I don't know exactly how this works, so this is not a great story yet, but I just thought of it.

No, it is. It is.

So this organization, if you give a dollar, it's basically they can 100 times it with their networks and stuff. So she had said, let's raise— I think she was like, let's raise $20,000 here together, which is a lot of money. Let's raise $20,000 and we'll be able to eliminate like $2 million of medical debt. Like, that's incredible. Well, she raised $20,000 in a few hours. And she was like, let's keep going, let's keep going. So all day yesterday it was like watching, and she's just crying. She's watching all this money come in. $5 million, $10 million, $12 million, $15 million, $22 million. Oh, essentially they have raised together in 24 hours. She was like, the organization was blown away. She was blown away. And it just kind of like this GameStop thing, right? It's this tiny little community. I mean, it's not tiny, but it's a community of people that just snowballed. And yeah, it was, it was so moving to see. And she was comparing it to John Oliver a few years ago. Famously was like, "We're going to raise $15 million to get rid of medical debt," which is amazing.

Right. And she was like, "We just beat John Oliver." See, this is what I love about your story though. All you speakers out there, pay attention to what Sally did just then because that was so emotional. What I took from that was like, here we are, single individuals thinking, "My voice won't make that much of a difference. What can I do?" Maybe I can raise $20,000. Oh my gosh, look at what she did. The power of community, the power of a single voice with an emotional connection.

Yep.

You can change the world.

What was so cool about what happened, of course, the impact of the money, like we don't even, I think, fully understand the impact of that money, but the aha of this really politically diverse group of people coming together and saying, look at, look at this, look at what we can do together, what we can do together.

I love that.

Look at what, what our shared values are.

You know, that is, that's exactly when I talked about the power of cooperation, that's where I was trying to get and I just didn't get there. So that story does it because it is truly when you, when you take a clear common external enemy Like all of those into medical debt. That's— we're all going to fight against this medical debt. Now your political organization, your affiliation, your race, your gender, none of that matters. We've got something bigger to fight. Like, that's huge. That's huge. I love it.

Giving— we're giving freely. Like, I don't care who this money goes to. I don't— and I don't want to know. I don't care who they voted for. I don't care.

Right, right.

I I want to, and I can, with $5, ease somebody's pain because collectively we've done something really powerful together. So anyway.

Ah, that's beautiful. That moves me. That moves me. Good. Awesome.

Yeah. You know, and you had said some at the very beginning, you were like, I didn't realize I moved often. That doesn't surprise me because when we are people whose job it is is to lead with our words. Like, we have to pay attention to what— and we have to notice. We've got to be like, oh my gosh, I'm seeing something, I'm feeling something, I'm noticing something. How did this happen? Yeah, how can I turn that around and share it with other people? Because that's leadership.

What you just said, that is so spot on. I mean, it is taking all of these emotional things that we all feel, and that's a Look, I'll never know, for example, what it feels like to walk around with skin that's not white. I'll never know that, but I do understand the feeling, right? Understand the feeling of frustration, of anger, of feeling like an imposter, of these feelings. And so the more we can latch onto that, the more we can connect through the feeling. Now we can lead. Now we can take action. Now we can empathize. Now we can connect with one another on a level that's beyond skin or political affiliation or whatever. Yeah, that's— and, and that, you know, because your audience, you never know who's sitting in your audience. That's what allows you to transcend and connect everybody.

It's persuasion, and that's how we bring people into an idea that they might otherwise discard.

Yeah, um, so stepping into their truth first, right?

You really have to Yep. Oh my gosh, Rebecca, this has been so fun.

I've loved it.

Before we go, would you share with people where they can find out more about you and connect with you to keep this connection going?

Sure, absolutely. So the easiest place is to go onto my website. It's Rebecca Heiss, that's H-E-I-S-S, or you can find me on all of the socials at Dr. Rebecca Heiss. I'm on Twitter and Facebook and Insta and all the things. And please go on and check out I've got a new book coming out, guys. You can preorder it right now. Please do. Please do. It helps me if you preorder it. And if you go to instinctbook.com, I actually have a book club put together, so you'll have access to video chapter summaries and prompts and challenges from each of the chapters. So I think it's, it's going to be pretty cool. Since we're talking about giving and like the power of community and connection, one of the reasons that I really want you to go to instinctbook.com is there's an opportunity to donate the books. Right, to your local charities, to, to like a leadership club, to the YMCA, to a Boys and Girls Club. Because my challenge with this book is really to foster leader— leadership potential in everyone, and that is from high school on up.

Love it. Oh my gosh. Okay, I'm assuming you're doing a lot of speaking now around this book.

Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Absolutely. So if you are looking to to connect with me about this book about speaking opportunities. I'm of course available for doing both virtual, which is how we're doing most things these days, or in person. We'll see how things go. But yeah, wide open to any opportunities there. And thank you so much for the opportunity to plug my book and to be on here. This is delightful.

And you did mention a podcast, so podcast listeners, I always like to find new podcasts. So what's the name of your podcast?

The name is The Fearless Year, or Your Fearless Year. We have, uh, The Fearless Year Podcast is the official title. And The Fearless Year Podcast is basically created by myself and a creative director, Nathan Robinson, who I've been working with for years now. He's amazing. We sat down and we're like, we have some fears that we want to get over. How do we do this? How can we walk through an entire year? So there is an entire year of episodes from experts on everything from empathy to challenging people to negotiation to all the things that get us kind of tied up in knots and a way for us to tie those knots and walk more fearlessly in the world.

I love— cannot wait to go check it out. Oh my gosh, Rebecca, you're the best.

Thank you so much for having me. That was so much fun. Thank you, Sally.

So good to connect with you. And you know, You know what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna—

I'm gonna be your connection to all the things.