The Scott Adams School - 06/04/26 Brian Roemmele Joins the Home Team.

All right, good morning everybody! Look who's here. You, you love him, we love him. There he is. And let me just get Locals pulled up here for me. So Owen is off today doing, um, agency stuff, as we like to joke. Or is it a joke? I can't tell you. Um, so anyway, thank you for being here, Brian. It is June 4th. Wow, it's June, so it's like summer. We're here. It's going to be 80 where I am today. Should I go to the beach again? That's the question, if I have time. Um, so listen, we are so happy to have Brian back with us. He is just like so fun and interesting, and even just talking before we came live was so fun and interesting. I, I, I just learned a few things I had no clue that was happening. So we can't wait to get into it with him. Um, I have my coffee ready. Do you guys have your beverages ready? Okay, let's do it.

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I mean, we didn't. So you guys, I have two quick updates for you. I'm going to give you an update first, and then Marcela is going to give you an update on what's happening, just so you guys are informed in California. But remember, so a lot of us are on a creatine journey together, Brian. So Owen puts creatine in his coffee and then I'm like, I'm gonna put creatine in my coffee because Dr. Drew was on and he's like, I approve of that. So then you guys remember I said I had like a little situation and I was like, oh, maybe I had, I have to like slow build the creatine. Here's what the problem was, okay? Now I'm obsessed, this is not sponsored unless the Jimmy Bar people want to sponsor. This show, but I also have purchased these and I forgot. So this is called a Jimmy Bar, and I also got this at Costco. But look, it also has 5 grams of creatine and 20 grams of protein, only 4 grams of sugar. And I bring that up to say to you that that day I had 10 grams of creatine, which was like only my second day of trying creatine, hence the stomach. Okay, so one or the other, but I highly recommend this. So good. 20 grams of protein, 5 grams of creatine. Again, it's just me talking. Do what you got to do. Talk to your doctors.

Okay, some advice. Yeah, some advice about creatine. Okay, cycle on and off. Oh, you, you do not do it 7 days a week. And, um, I would do it for cognitive function. That's how I've been doing it for 30 years, 40 years, I don't know. Look at him, look at him, look at how smart he is. My, my 70th, uh, turnaround the sun. Um, so yeah, creatine is really important. If you happen to get a brain injury, get creatine as quickly as you can. Hyperbaric oxygen and creatine, um, I absolutely advise. If you know anybody with cognitive decline definitely get creatine in the diet. But important is to titrate up. Oh, uh, continue for like— I'm not a doctor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Degrees. I have no medical advice.

This is his opinion.

Yeah, there you go. But titrate up, let it go, uh, 5 days, and then drop off a day or two. And you want to keep that cycle because it keeps your body In fact, I would recommend that for almost any vitamin or nutrient. There are some you don't want to do that with, but that would be 5 shows to talk about. But, uh, oh, welcome. Anybody over the age of— I think everybody needs creatine. The problem is it's not highly available in the meats that we have anymore. Um, that has a lot to do with the minerals, uh, you know, NKP, you know, all these different minerals that we put in the soil. Are not enough, and the cattle and meats that you get are not getting the creatine because that's the primary source. And, um, so it's, it's, it's, it's important to, to do that. Anyway, I don't want to interrupt.

No, that's— no, because we're kind of all on this, like, not all, but some of us are on this little journey. So I don't, you know, I don't know what to do. And Dr. Drew also said, you know, I don't— you know, the jury's out on how much you should really have and what the dosing is. So he's sticking with the 5. Um, so I have like the powder one. So I like that of just kind of mixing it up.

So according to the muscle activity, so if you start getting aches in your muscles, you've taken too much creatine. Um, and a lot of people don't understand that. That's a magnesium and calcium issue too. So you got to really make sure your mineral count is high if you're going to be on creatine, or high amounts of creatine.

Okay, okay. All right, so you guys, you heard this. You can always rewind it, rewind it like I'm Joe Biden over here. We can play the record, um, so you can always replay this. All right, that's good. Now, Marcella, can you just give us a quick update? Any news on the, uh, LA election for the peeps?

Well, in LA, you know, Los Angeles has been Los Angeles, um, so the— they're taking their time to do the mail-in ballots. I looked up the last election for the mayoral race. It 8 days for the final general election for that to happen. And at the time, the Republicans seemed to be winning and then Karen Bass won. Um, so that was for the general election, but I didn't look at the primary. I think the primary was easier for to figure it out. But right now what's happening is, um, yesterday a lot of points, a lot of percentage, 11% were gained by Raman, the socialist Democrat, and Pratt went down 8%, negative 8%. And even Khoushi, which is not a sponsored here but could be, is 30— went down 34% likelihood of him being able to. But the good news is the good news in regards to the general election, in regards to the governor race, That's a harder climb for them to beat Steve Hilton. Okay. Although there is still a path for Tom Steyer to come out of the, you know, out of all the votes that they're coming in. The thing that's making the news right now is that President Trump posted on Truth that Democrats are at it again and that he is having the He's having this being investigated by the US Attorney's Office in Los Angeles.

Good. Okay, good. All right, so that's the update. I appreciate that. And also, um, if something goes sideways and suddenly Nithya Raman pulls ahead, I'm going to tell you right now, that also will be a huge Spencer effect because people will come out of the woodwork like crazy. They will no longer be silent in California. They will expose the fraud for what it is, and you will unleash a whole new game-changing thing in California. So either way, this will work to benefit California and the way we vote. Okay, so Brian doesn't do politics. We're going to end it there. But we were talking backstage, um, I— all right, so you, you say what you're comfortable with about what we were talking about, other countries I'm just going to leave it at that. You say what you're comfortable saying, but it's fascinating.

Well, thank you, and always an honor to be here. Uh, pleasure to, to hang out, and, um, hopefully we'll do a Locals one of these days and do a little longer. Yes, uh, format. Um, I, I will digress into some, uh, local politics. I'm in Southern California, not in Los Angeles. I'm a little further south. Um, when I moved out here in 1990, it was everything a New Jersey kid would have thought of, of California. Um, you know, just almost everything was absolutely like it was in the movies. I mean, hair metal bands on the streets in LA, uh, the Whiskey, you know, um, yeah, yeah, it was It was quite a time and people are having a really good time. I mean, there was whatever divides there were in politics, it was sort of irrelevant. I mean, I knew people that were hardcore libertarian, conservative, as hard left as you could be as far as socialist, communist, and everybody just kind of didn't care. They went to the beach, they hung out. The state more or less was beautiful. And it, and it, uh, sustained two Jerry Browns, right? Jerry Brown 1 and 2. Jerry Brown 1 did some great things for the state. It made it quite beautiful. Coming from Jersey and driving the freeways in the '90s, uh, that Jerry Brown helped make, they were the most beautiful freeways I've ever seen in my life. I mean, everything was just— south of me, um, there's a place called Rainbow, and there's this arch bridge. You can look it up, it's Rainbow, California, and it's just absolutely astonishing, over-the-top beautiful arch coming through into the valley of Rainbow. And that was part of the Beautification Act that Jerry Brown put in. The freeways are no longer like that. They're— I think Jersey freeways are probably better, especially around Newark where I was born. You know, just beautiful smells, everything. No, California has changed dramatically. And, you know, it used to be, hey, I'm from California, people like, hey, tell me about it. For most of my time being out here, last 10 years, people like, hey, I'm sorry, you know, it really sucks. So there's a problem, you know, without pointing fingers other than the finger of corruption. Yeah, that's the only thing you can point at. I don't care what, what body it's in, it's corruption. And, and it's the most prosperous state and it's becoming the most destroyed state in, in the country and in the world. Yeah. And, um, everybody knows it. Spencer Pratt is the end effector of, of this in Los Angeles. The areas like Melrose and, and Hollywood Walk of Fame was a little, you know, the Chinese Theater. It was always a little bit of the Times Square feel if you've been there now. But that's fine. You expect that. You don't want to have anybody— if anybody knows anything, you don't go down that part of town anytime, day or night. And if you do, you have to really be aware of where you're stepping. Who's in the area, this is a really big problem. All of the major businesses that populated that area, other than a few that can't leave, like the theater, uh, they don't exist anymore. Uh, you know, Melrose, which was an eclectic, incredible place— the Valley Girls, you know, that whole area— you would go down Melrose and it was— it would be vital with people, artistic expression, clothing, record stores, all kinds of things. It's a ghost town. Wow. Venice Beach, you don't even want to go there. It used to be a place where you would want to walk around. A kid from Seaside, I'd go to Seaside and, you know, I thought I was, you know, my Italian hot dogs and mustard on my French fries. But it's not like that anymore. And, and Anybody that's been here long enough realizes this change, and that's what I think Spencer is tapping into. How anybody can't see this beyond only the other— well, this is my team, I'm going to vote this. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And most of the people know that. And the only thing I could say is they got to get faster printers so that they can get these, uh, you know, these, uh, votes in quicker so that we can get it done in one day. They could— they literally can buy more laser printers to make more vote cards show up, right? So that, you know, the people who are corrupted can win. I mean, let's just say that's what's going on. Yeah. And, and to try to dance around that's ridiculous. That's not a political statement, that's a reality. Uh, I'm, I'm a technologist. You can have this vote counted in, you know, maybe 2.5 hours. That's what most of the countries around the world do. And when America goes and observes an election, if it's not happening in a couple hours, we're already checking the cards for corruption.

That's right.

But we can't do it introspectively. That's all I'll say about that.

No, you're so right. I— it— that's all it ever comes down to, you guys. That's why it's like— I was having a discussion with a friend— it's not about the party, it's about what control they have, do we have any say? I don't care who it is, you know, I just want fair elections because if they tell us that's the most important thing we have in this world as American citizens is our right to vote and that elections are so important, but yet they're just so crazy. So I want the corruption gone. I want our money to be in this country doing what it's supposed to be doing. Or I wanna stop paying my taxes. All right, stop. Okay, so we were talking backstage and again, like, I don't know what you're comfortable saying here, but I love what you're doing and I'll just let you take it and then I'll follow your lead.

Thank you. Um, I am the, uh, AI advisor, technology advisor to President Bukele in El Salvador. I'm really honored, uh, that I've been selected to do that. It's been a couple of— well, I've been, I've been advising indirectly for the better part of 5 years, and it's been official kind of last 2 years. I don't remember, but I don't bandy it about, so a lot of people don't know I do this. Um, El Salvador, I believe, is the biblical shining city on, uh, the hill. It really is an example of a turnaround. I'm not going to get into the politics or the ways and means of which it took place, but what I can understand from people who live in San Salvador, especially and certainly the countryside, it is like a blight that has been reversed, which is kind of why this ties into LA and why I extended a little into the political realm. I'm sure Marcello can explain this, what the country might have been like from where it is now, where it was before. But I am really impressed by the Renaissance 2.0 that the president has brought about in the country. And I think it can be an example of how Every country, and I'm advising other countries also, and not officially, not I can talk about at this point, and hopefully United States. You know, I, I, I talked to quite a few people in the administration, but again, not officially. The big problem that we have is we have a corruption of the understanding of what technology should be doing with humanity. And that has to do with our education, and it has to do with the bifurcation of the haves and have-nots. And the new haves and have-nots now are whether or not you have a career or a job or you don't. And technology is going to cause that, and that's creating a very real, uh, and existential fear within everybody. And we've talked about it in the shows, and I think it's vital that this country faces it head-on, because if not, you might as well start learning Mandarin Chinese in 2032, because we have a company called China. China is one company. It's also a country, but it operates as a single company. And so when we have companies in the United States, we see them go at each other, and sometimes there's hidden hands behind, but they kind of go— they all operate at the same rhythm and the same beat in that country. And that's because their goal is to dominate the world. That is a goal. That's not our goal in the United States. Our goal is like, you know, let's play nice and let's You know, you know, independence and all that. That's not really what the CCP is about. And certainly it's not what the companies— now, the companies more or less operate independently, but they take essentially the same themes and they make sure that they follow through. What happened in El Salvador, and one of the things that is making El Salvador become a magnet for so many things, is primarily the Bitcoin law, which allows people to be sovereign in that country and have Bitcoin and exist there. And it's welcomed by the country with the fluctuations of up and down in Bitcoin. It's going to go down. It's on sale right now. I'm not a financial advisor, but it's a Black Friday sale. Get it while you can. There's only 21 million. But also You know, the country is looking at attracting and building the right talent in its own backyard. And that starts with the AI law that we've had passed, which gives protection to open source AI developers and all technology developers that are open source, where you can't be brought in on charges because your AI model says bad things or does bad things. Bad things exist in the world, and we all know that. And to try to have governments control information is probably the most bizarre thing that will ever happen because you can't control ideas. Whole country is based upon the idea that you have freedom of speech, right? And, and it's a freedom of speech to express yourself in such a way. I'll give you one sidebar. California and New York are going to make it illegal to have an open-source 3D printer. Now, 3D printing is a liberation, and it's going to give us our sovereignty as we go into the age of abundance, which is happening no matter what political forces try to do what they're going to do. That, and, you know, I might have said this before, but it's either going to happen in the next 15 years or it's going to be the Flintstones for 1,000 years. There's no choice. The people that are grabbing on to power, they're going to be, you know, we got to control all this. It's out of their hands, just like this internet, right? They— the internet was wild and free for a long time, and now we're siloed into social media, and they tried to control it. Elon kind of broke that thing. Love him or hate him, uh, you gotta love him for being able to at least try to open the grips of the, the dying regimes. I call it the interregnum, and that's one king dying and another king taking over. Um, that's what's happening. So I'm going to go down a little bit of a rabbit hole. The, the 3D printing laws— New York is doing it always for the right reasons. They're printing guns. They're printing guns. So we're going to have to have all 3D printers call a, a, a server, and we're going to look at every file before you print it to make sure you're not printing guns or gun parts. And that's going to fix it. That's going to fix it because all of us, all of us are going to make sure that the renegade pirated 3D printers who are going to print guns make sure that they have a monopoly on the gun printing operation. And that's always the intended or unintended outcome. So when a political figure says, we're trying to protect you and there ought to be a law, right? This is the classic bifurcation problem, reaction, solution, right? Sometimes they create the problem and everybody, oh, there are bits. Oh, that person died from a 3D printed gun. That nobody, right?

Right.

It's not a problem.

Right, right.

It will be if we need to get enough media. Well, they'll just send them wind-up toys out there, boom, boom, boom, and, oh, it's a 3D-printed gun. But in their wisdom to control, they are using the gun. It's either the guns or the children or both is the reason for the regulation. And you can go all the way back if you study history. This is not a new cycle. It goes all the way back to Roman times, you know, and they— I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but it's always used to create rules and regulations by creating a dichotomy of why you need them. Anyway, New York has already got this passed. California is going to try to do it. The home of technology is going to try to make it impossible for an open source project, for somebody to just creatively build something without getting the papers checked. Okay, what are you building? Send it to the server. I don't know about that. So I call it the— and you should call it, and everybody should call it— the slippery slope. Because it starts with guns, then it will be going to, hey, you're printing a Mickey Mouse figure, that's copyrighted, you can't do that. Oh, you're printing a part, well, you know, that part, you know, you have to buy it from GM for $900, you can't print it. For 45 cents. And all of a sudden the whole purpose goes down that road. Do not even try to think that that's not the reason for it. That is. And California is most definitely going to get Disney-fied in their 3D printing. Oh, you can't print Daffy Duck that way. No, no. You know, the early Disney Mickey Mouse is now public domain. So they'll allow that. But you got to make sure the tail only curves this way and it can only have this kind of glove on it. This is a ridiculousness. Now, intellectual property absolutely is vital, uh, but there has to be a point where it becomes public domain. It, it really does. Um, and this is the problem with AI and the problem with 3D printing. Getting back to El Salvador, El Salvador will never have a law as far as I can understand, at least the laws that are being enacted now, that's going to make it illegal for you to print anything, right? And if you print a gun and you use it, you're going to face the same criminal prosecution as if you smuggled a gun or, you know, had it airdropped from a drone from a country. You know, I mean, the, the, the bottom line is all of these rules and regulations do nothing but retard the development of technology in a country where it's being imposed. Mm-hmm. So that's one of the reasons why I'm really excited for what El Salvador is doing. And most importantly, and one of the reasons why I agreed to be involved, is that the entire population is being lifted up. We have Groq being given to every student if they want it for their entire student existence. And their adult life so they can build a relationship with this AI. Ultimately, I want everybody to have personal AI, but if you don't have that, Grok is your best alternative because of the way it's been first principles.

Brian, what do you mean between the difference of Grok or personal AI?

A personal AI is an AI that you can trust because it's on your device and it never goes on to a a cloud and that you can build a relationship and rapport with it and of course make it as hacker-proof as possible. I can go into the technology behind that. It being never on the internet is one of those things, and there's ways that you interact with it where it's not on a network. The reason why personal AI is so powerful is it's changed my life. I've been using personal AIs for 30 years. Your ability to remember things, recall things, not to use it as a weapon against people you love and care about, but to allow yourself to have continuity. Hey, did I say that one time before, or did I make that connection? And your AI is interacting with you. It's very powerful. We don't have that for most people today. And I wouldn't want you to have that on the cloud because now it's slurping up even more of your vital information. And it may be protected, but I don't know if I trust that. But in the Grok sense in El Salvador, that's a different thing. It's not Google looking at your notes and stuff like that. It's Grok. And you have the ability to delete any of the information if you ever wanted to. This is giving El Salvadorian students an incredibly powerful tool. That allows them to leapfrog ahead of even our students. Here we're busy bickering on whether a student has, you know, wrote a paper using AI. Or if a math student used a calculator to solve a differential equation, or if somebody didn't use a slide, or somebody used a slide rule and not a chalkboard to, you know, you can keep going backwards and forwards in technology. Here's the reality. AI is not going away. So the best solution is to empower the student on how to properly make this tool work for them to become a more productive individual and more powerful in society, not weakened by it, not one arm tied behind their back, because there's going to be a student somewhere else in the world that's going to have AI all around them. So we're going to placate maybe some teachers who are not, who have not been trained on how to use AI to be fearful. Yes. Okay. Do I want somebody to be able to write an essay? Absolutely. The reality is all of us who are honest are gonna say, hey, if I had AI when I was a kid, ugh. I'm probably going to let AI write that essay and I'm going to try to make it look like I did it myself. That's the reality. And anybody playing games with their mind that, you know, hey, I walked 12 miles barefoot in the snow to school, that's bullshit. And that's just— let's not even have that conversation because it's wasting everybody's time. The best thing is to be realistic. Okay, so if that's the base state, What do we do? Number one is we organize teachers to understand that this is a powerful tool for everybody. Everybody utilize this tool to make everybody become more powerful, more productive, more prosperous.

So I'm just interrupting you. So you're saying, and I, if, all right, so you're saying that in school, yeah, use AI, use the calculators, use the slide, Ruler, do it all because it's just going to help you advance to the next step of what you're learning faster. Like, you don't need to memorize all of the, all of the dates and the this and like, why? Like, let's just get ahead of that. We have a machine right there that's going to fill in all the blanks for us. So let's just keep moving forward. And I think that's crucial. I mean, because like you said, other countries are just like, oh, we're going to do whatever it takes to just keep going and going and going.

We don't want to hold you back and teach you the same way you were taught.

You know, in 1950.

It's not for the Industrial Revolution, which is no longer a thing, right? I mean, factory work is not coming back, right? Highly skilled work is going to continue to thrive, but machines are going to be run by machines.

Are there any schools here that let you do that?

No, not, not, not as an organized— not as an organized thought process. I tried in the early days, 2023, I offered myself to as many education organizations. I talked to a lot of teachers. There was a lot more fear of them losing their job than fear of AI itself. And you would have to overcome that first. And like, you know, there shouldn't be a reason you should lose your job. You know, there should be reasons for you to have more time with students now, more time to, you know, bespoke a a customized, tailored program to the various students in your class. And what happened is, as always, is the keepers of the status quo that, in this case, the teachers union, put out directives to be anti-AI and to be anti-tech. So what, what is going on? And this is leading into data centers, which I'll get into in a second, but I wanted to cap it off with El Salvador. El Salvador is embracing the technology, saying, this is the reality of the world. We're going to leapfrog our students into this modern world, and they're going to have access to AI and very soon robotics and maybe even space programs, um, which will allow this country to not only outshine all of South America but perhaps all of the Americas if we don't wake up. They had a lot more at stake, and they still have a lot more at stake than we have gone kind of lazy and abundantly rich in comparison to most of South America. And they have an opportunity to shine. So that's why I'm saying that The, the population is being lifted up, uh, by all of these great things. We have new libraries. A, a new hospital has opened up this week. It is a state-of-the-art, uh, medical facility, free for everybody in El Salvador. And it's not because of socialism, it's because you have a broken system that needs to be lifted up and moved into a capitalistic system. So it's, it's a middle ground, um, and it's still private care, but it's not a forced socialistic Canadian or British type of medical care, you know. Uh, you could still do private practice. Um, I think it's a great example, and, and again, it's a very realistic type of scenario. If you have older people that have been part of other, other regimes, right, and they're entering their twilight years, you can't just automatically say, okay, go out and get the money, old man, and, you know, you get your dialysis out of your own pocket. So that's the reality, right? Um, in a perfect world, all of the market forces would allow this to work, but you have to have that bandage, and they're, they're embracing that by making it a Class 1 facility. But not only that, we are using apps so that there is no longer these long waits. So in the old regime, you would have to go to a facility with lines out the door, worse than DMV, you know, people sitting on the ground and waiting 6, 7 hours and then have to come back. Well, I'm sorry, that big tumor, you're going to have to wait another 7 to 8 months to just get a biopsy. Sorry. Now you book it in an app, you can actually have an interaction with a professional inside the app, and it can be accelerated into a triage environment within days. Now that is what should be happening in the United States. Yeah, and it's crazy. It's not, it's not even close. If you've— if you know anybody that's going through the Medicare system right now, it is disgusting. Yeah. And what's going to happen is the medical treatments in a country like El Salvador, which could be a great example, is going to be fundamentally so much less costly that you can actually offer more to everybody and still have money left over. Wow. And this is a problem.

I want to move.

I know, me too.

I'm going to move back.

A lot of people have moved to El Salvador. Um, I mean, people that you would not imagine that have moved there. And it's not giving up on this country, it's just like, hey, I only got so many years left. Yeah, and I'm sick of fighting all of this. I mean, one person lived in LA, um, they were impacted by the fires. Their house didn't burn, but it was darn near close. And they saw the writing on the wall and they said, I'm out of here. You know, Spencer might do a great thing or whatever, but I mean, when you've lost your house— and a lot of people don't understand what that area of LA was. That was fourth-generation wealth. And that wealth was somebody came out of World War II, bought a house on a piece of property that almost nobody really wanted. And it's hard for people to understand what that area was like, but there were a lot of mobile homes there in the old days. Uh, we're talking right after World War II. And so you had somebody on the GI Bill get a piece of the American dream in an area of California where it was still kind of rugged, even in that era. And they got themselves a World War II house. You know, there were nothing to speak much about, and the world changed around them. So great-grandpa's house got transferred to grandpa and the next generation. Did they— were they able to afford insurance for $5 million? No, they own that house outright. So when it got burned down, they got nothing. And then to try to rebuild it, you couldn't rebuild those houses under the current rules because around them all the rules change. Your septic system has to be this big of a pipe. You have to be this far of an offset from the border of the— you would have a house the size of a closet because that's how they built them in that era. And instead of allowing people to rebuild in place, the rules are, nope, you have to rebuild to the new standards. And that takes years, years. Nobody could afford that.

Wasn't that the argument initially was just let us rebuild exactly what we had, the same footprint. And you know, that's, that's really disgusting because you are right. The Palisades are like that generational. It was my great-grandparents' house, my grandparents' house.

Yeah. Nobody there was you know, wealthy.

Yeah, it wasn't like new money coming in. And yeah, oh, that is really— that's a sin.

And that's why that, you know, to paint this politically on any side, it's bullshit. Yeah, it's your freaking house. It's all you got. Yeah, you won the lottery. A lot of us win the lottery at times, and some of us don't. But, you know, at least respect the fact that that was somebody's family generational house. Most of them Yeah, not, not all of them. Of course, some new money came in and bought up and then knocked down the house and put up something great, but that was not the high percentage. The ones on the beach, yes, of course.

But you're 75 years old, you're living in the Palisades in your grandparents' house, and it burns down. And now you're already like done with your work life, your house is gone, and everything you own was potentially burned in a fire, and they're just like, sorry, fuck off, we can't help you.

The carpet beggars come moving in and say, hey, I can sit, I can stick a condo here. If we can get the height restrictions, we'll go 25 stories, we'll make it look Miami, you know, we'll put it right here. And that's probably what's going to wind up happening. Now you can, you can go down all the rabbit holes on the wheres and whys and hows. I don't want to do that today, but I, you know, I can't, I can't say this. No matter how you feel about life, come down to the very real possibility of what would you be like if that happened to you. Yeah, right. That's all you have. Sometimes that's all you got, right? You grew up in California. You couldn't have afforded to be here because great-grandpa, he took the risk. And that's why we— that's why we have this country. Somebody in our bloodline took a risk and they did something that maybe, maybe enriched us 4 generations, 3 generations later. And you should be able to reward generations.

Yeah. What a slap in their face, right?

Yes. I mean, well, and we have a tax system, the death taxes. I mean, everybody wants to claw back wealth generationally. And the only people that fall into that trap are the poor people. And I mean poor, in this case, upper middle class to the lowest classes. Because the very wealthy, they put their stuff into all sorts of trusts. They generationally spend it forever. But most people, it is like, "Oh, Grandpa died. He didn't have a trust. Oh, okay, what happens?" Well, the state's going to take about 90%. Oh, oh boy, you didn't think about it.

Ah, so hard.

That's what happens. So anyway, Capitán Salvador, what they're doing is an experiment, as is every government, right? And it seems to be working from a level on the street, right? You can go down San Salvador in the middle of the night and not have fear. That, that did not exist for at least 3 generations. Wow. Right?

So I'm, I'm— Fast too. He did it so fast.

Yeah. And you, you break some eggs when you're making an omelet.

How long does he have as, um, president?

Uh, the rest of his life. I don't— I—

Yeah, no, like, terms.

He changed the law to be able to be forever president.

Well, that makes me wanna move there.

Well, you know, that makes me not wanna move there, but that's just my opinion.

Well, here, here's the thing.

I don't want a dictator.

I, I don't, I, I, I don't, I've been to El Salvador. Uh, I, I, I've offered my time gratis for the country. So this is, this is all I know. Here's, here's what I understand. I understand that we don't want necessarily one person to be in one position for a long time because that gives power and it could be corrupting. But on the other side, moving people in who are slightly moving off the center line, that's corrupting also. So this is a challenge we're always going to face in, in any type of political environment. I would say at the very least If the people want him, then maybe they should keep him. If the people want him. And I don't know how that works out in that country. I don't know how that would work out in America either. I certainly would say that when it comes to presidential leadership, maybe give him more time. Yeah, but I would say, and representative and Senate leadership, I would say give everybody less time. Yes. Um, and I think that's— everybody could agree with that. So anyway, getting back to teachers and AI, because our country has not unilaterally embraced technology in a way that is pro-human, it winds up matriculating down through society in bits and pieces. And it always looks draconian to most of us. It's like, oh, they want the data centers so they can track all of us. Why, yes, that's exactly why. But that's not the only reason why. So you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The problem is political movements are being built right now. I call it the anti-clanker movement. And you might as well just picture somebody that's Antifa, they're going to be the same types of people. It's already happening. And I don't think either side is ready for what this political wave is going to look like, but it's already being tapped. Uh, unfortunately, guys like Bernie and, uh, you know, AOC, uh, are, are doing things to at least signal that they want to lead that that crowd. And the unfortunate part about that is one of the groups, teachers, is going to be part of that cohort, uh, but also out-of-work medical people and out-of-work lawyers and out-of-work white-collar workers who have been displaced by AI. So you can see this new coalition being formed right in front of our eyes while we're looking at the left hand. The right hand's doing something else. This is what's taking place. So do— does technology do bad things? Of course. I don't— if I knew social media would have done the things I thought it did, I probably wouldn't have promoted people getting together on social platforms. But, you know, I was back on BBSs typing away, and I thought it was going to be nerd pool time, and instead it became duck lips into a camera on Instagram, you know, and OnlyFans, right, where you can— that's true— where you can legalize, you know, visual prostitution anywhere in the country or the world. So there are downsides. I'm not a utopian. I'm not trying to paint the world in rainbows. But I am saying don't take the other point of view So the anti-data center thing is a great example. It's going to be anti-robots walking the streets, by the way. Get ready for that. I know it's a little hard to comprehend, but the anti-clanker movement— I use that term because that's going to be what generationally we're going to remember this by. You're going to see people with baseball bats with masks on, and sometimes grandmom in their Nikes hitting robots over the head with baseball bats. And this is going to be the manifestation of expression of frustration over their life being changed by this technology.

What are these walking robots doing walking around?

They're going to be— they're going to be going to the store.

They already do that. I mean, in the LA riots last year or a year ago, their Waymos were, uh, they did it where the Waymos would go down to a certain place in LA and they destroyed all of them. You know, they do it with the little cute little, uh, robot that takes your food, and there's videos of people destroying that little cute robot.

Well, people will destroy anything that they think they can destroy. We're watching that in real time. But I'm just like, what are these robots actually— are they going to get my groceries? Is that what's happening?

It'll be, it'll be doing anything any human would normally have done, and it's going to happen faster than any of us could imagine. And of course, initially, it's going to be kind of what the iPhone effect was. If we're old enough to remember when the first iPhones came out, there was an arrogance that was attached to the fact that somebody could afford an iPhone or even an iPod with the white Uh, with the white, uh, headphones, right? When you were walking down the street when the iPod first came out and you saw somebody with white headphones, like, wow, they have money or something. It was a class thing.

When you posted that Walkman video, the Sony Walkman, oh my God, am I— I mean, my brother and I got one for Christmas, like, that was our gift was the Walkman. We each got one cassette. I think I got the Beach Boys, I forget what he got. And oh my God, we were like with these things. And it was— yeah, you were just like, you were the shit if you had one.

Yeah.

So now look at us.

Now look at us. Yeah. So this happened with Google Glass, right? Google Glass was released, and it was released the worst possible way you could do that. And they got self-important individuals to get the glasses. Not only could you not afford them, you had to wait in the a certain club line and get chosen by the right people to wear them, they were all nerds. My good friend Robert Scoble was one of them. He wore them in the shower as a joke, and he became the glasshole example. And so, if you showed up with Google Glass at a bar, people would start challenging you. Are you taping me? And how dare you? That whole thing. That's going to be manifested in humanoid robots in a way that we don't even have an understanding for. Because part of us are going to be like, yeah, that a-hole has got his robot walking around picking up— why can't he get out of the car? And that's going to be the first phase. And we're going to get enamored by that first phase because everybody's going to want to hate the rich guy that's, you know, nerding out. But it's going to rapidly transition into emergency workers police standoffs, you know, and then all of a sudden it becomes normalized. We'll get used to it at stores, and a lot of us gonna be cranky old men. I get it, I don't want to, you know, robot, get these clankers out of here. Yeah, but the reality is, imagine yourself having to get your diapers changed because we're all going to get there at some point. Would you want a family member doing that a third party who really doesn't want the job and doesn't care about you, or a humanoid robot that has hung around with you for the last 10 years of your life and knows that it would take care of you. And again, I'm not talking about a robot that's remote controlled by somebody in China. I'm talking about one that you can demonstrate that does not call home. It is only local. It only knows you. Nobody can hack it, and it's taking care of you in your final years. I'm not saying replace the people that love you. I'm saying, hey, I think I'd rather have that than somebody that just came to this country this year who wants a citizenship. Nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong at all if you're coming here legally and want to. But they're like, hey, I got to change old men's diapers while I work my way up to becoming something else. And so they might not be fully invested. And thank God we have people that actually are fully invested in that job. I'm not putting that down, but there are— talk to anybody that does that job, there are less and less and less. Yeah. And some of the people that stay in it only stay in it because it's all that they can do, and they hate the job, and they take it out on the patients. I ask anybody— you should do this anyway— spend some time with old people at some of these retirement homes. Just do it. Walk in and say, hey, when you guys all hang out, just want to meet people and talk.

They're going to think it's the best. Yeah, I've clocked a million hours doing that.

Yeah. And, uh, you know, I, I think it gives you a perspective. It also makes you wonder why we broke up generational families, because there's no reason that people should be isolated this way. There's no reason for it. But again, being a realist I'd much rather have— if my mom was still around, I'd much rather have a robot that I could trust when I couldn't be there and say, hey, it makes sure Mom ain't falling and, you know, she's eating and taking her pills and stuff like that. That would be freaking cool. But here's the problem. I'm giving you a real practical— that's not utopian, that's going to happen in your lifetime. That's what I'm trying to protect for all of us. In the bathwater of that baby. Is these ugly data centers going to waste water? No, they aren't, right? But the water— no, that's because your water pipes have been bad for a long time, and the city officials would rather point at Amazon than their own misappropriations of upgrading infrastructure, right? What happens when a data center might come into an area is temporarily to fill fill a closed-loop system, some of it evaporates, but not a lot. The pipes may start showing some wear because that area did not have so much water going through it for so long, and all of a sudden brown water starts showing up, and that's a problem. But the finger-pointing is a political motive. Uh, why do we need so many? Well, we're going to need less. If we were— if it was 1963 and we were talking about everybody having a computer, we'd be talking about everybody putting in a 3-story structure with cooling and wires and electrical because they're all mainframes, right? They're all these big mainframes. Guess what? Everything big in electronics gets smaller. That's called Moore's Law. So the data centers they build today are for today. Pretty much we'll continue to fill them out until they start getting smaller and smaller until AI is just on a phone. Everything you could possibly want. Is right here. You don't need a data center, it's happening right there. That's where we're going. But we need that middle ground because we are competing on a world stage. And if we don't have the data centers, you might as well start learning Mandarin Chinese because they will dominate what the next revolution is, which is AI and robotics. Uh, robots are AI in motion. There's no different, you know, it just happens control world physical space. And I get it, most folks listening to this can discern this. I know Scott Adams' audience could discern this fine line, but the people who draw in crayons, they don't discern it. It's like, technology bad. Okay, yeah, where'd you write that? Well, I wrote it on my iPhone. I get it. Where'd it go through? Well, it went through a data center. I see. You know, it's like, it's a classic thing where somebody hasn't been trained how the world works. Where does electricity come? Well, it comes from the light switch. I see. What about all the people who maintain it? I don't know. I don't know. If you see some of these interviews with, unfortunately, some of our last group of students that are graduating this year, you ask them where electricity comes from, they're like, I don't know. The telephone pole or something, you know.

I don't know nothing. It's scary.

And that's our failure. Yeah. All of our society's failure is not on that child. It's on the infrastructure surrounding that child that produced it as a student. I'm into radical responsibility. I don't, you know, should they be responsible themselves? Of course. But, you know, you kick them out at 18 and say, okay, now go into the world. They're not prepared. They are prepared like a 4-year-old was in the 1950s. And that is a major failure. So the same is true about these data centers. I hear people complaining about them like, well, what do you do? I do TikTok and YouTube. Oh yeah, you know, you— well, where do you think that's coming from? Well, I don't know. Well, it's— it turns out YouTube spends more electricity than most of AI data centers combined on people watching cat videos. And let's not get into TikTok. We don't talk about that because we're being reframed into hating AI. We're being reframed into hating robotics. And I'm talking about the robotics a lot now because you haven't been trained enough to hate it enough yet. You will. You will, because that's the programming.

Brian, do you have an extra like 10 minutes? Absolutely. Okay, good. Well, just— we're going to go just you guys to 10:10, okay? Because I have to actually go too. But, um, so I think the thing with the data centers, it's— we're lumping it all in. I know I'm doing this too, to, um, wind turbines, solar panels. So they're polluting. You know, they're just— they're saying, oh, it's for the environment in the name of green energy. But I live here at the Jersey Shore, and long story short, they're killing the sea life with the ones they want to put in the ocean. The whales are dying, dolphins, fish. And then when they break, they just fall into the ocean and rot and rust, and there's, you know, blah, blah, blah. The solar panels, you know, put them on top of buildings if you want to put them somewhere, but they're just taking up like fields and fields and acres and acres and acres, and then one hailstorm, they're all junk. Yeah. You know, so then the data centers, if they do end up becoming smaller and smaller and smaller, well, we've now ruined neighborhoods and, you know, a bajillion acres of property. People's property values are gonna go down. They can't sell their house. You know, they are noisy. You know, it's not attractive. So it's like all these things seem like they're starting for like a good cause, But then what do we do when it wreaks havoc on the everyday people? I feel like everything that we're doing to advance, this is my opinion, is just taking a toll on everything that's already here, like people and animals and ecology and everything else. So I think that's the problem for me is where I see like, oh, this one's gonna be on 62 square miles and this one's gonna be here. And then you see people and they're like humming in the back, in their backyard and now eminent domain. And we're going to take all of your property up to where your pool is and the rest of it we're just taking. So it just seems like we're sacrificing like our simple civility and our rights for things like that potentially might not need to be as big as they are right now because it won't be as efficient later.

You make some great points and I absolutely agree with all of them, actually. So if you study the railroads and the eminent domain of how the railroads took place and you really study it from everybody's perspective, including Native Americans, we sound a whole lot like— and I agree— we sound a whole lot like the Native Americans. And, you know, the northerners are coming in and they're putting their steel horses through the middle of our, you know, bison area. So this is always the problem with progress. And I'm not, and I'm not going to tell you that I know where the balance is, but I do know where the corruption is. You have corrupt politicians who are being motivated to take over certain swaths of land and certain use of eminent domain because they're getting paid to do that. So you're seeing the face of corruption sometimes in that. There's no reason that data centers need to be near anybody, right? No reason for that. So if you're seeing a data center being put near residential homes to a greater extent, that's a failure of creativity. It's a failure of the individuals involved.

Right. Look at Meta, what they're putting out there for those poor people that live there.

Yeah, there's this. This is why this issue, needs to be fine-tuned and reframed so you understand it. That's why I'm spending some time on it, because I know how everybody feels. Um, it's not a black and white issue where you can just say, I want data centers. And notice I didn't say that. I'm, I'm basically saying ultimately they're going to be in space, and they're going to go after Elon for putting them in space. Well, they're going to blot out the sun, you know. Do you know how many satellites you would have to put up before it even becomes an issue? About 100 trillion billion before you actually see them. Yeah, uh, it's— space is a big place right now. Are they handling the, the orbital positions the best they could? No, it's because we have other countries throwing junk up there saying, uh, we'll let that— we'll let that booster hang out for a couple of 10, 20 years tumbling, maybe one day to hit a satellite. You know, they do have to maneuver sometimes. Um, but yeah, Elon talks about putting them in space and on the moon, which I believe is the best place for them. And then you have people saying, well, it's going to blight the moon, and someday you're going to look at the moon and it'll be nothing but data centers. There's always going to be this iterative thing about technology, so we need to find our balance. So to be pro or con on either side of this absolutely is absolutely ridiculous. But to fall into the line of parties, you know, the Dems are for this and the Republicans are for that, that's ridiculous too, because a lot of the people making these statements are utterly clueless on both sides. I mean, I hear ridiculous things being you know, rolled out. I hope I don't upset anybody, but I mean, reality is they don't really understand what they're talking about. Data centers do not continuously suck up water. It's a, it's a closed-loop system, very much like a really good radiator of a car. Yeah, well, yes, some will steam off, but not like the entire radiator unless you got something going wrong. You have a cooling system. Are they noisy? If you build them the wrong way, they're really noisy. If you're cheap and you're stupid about it, yes. And ultimately, I mean, I ran Bitcoin miners out of my home, you know, and they were noisy because I was mining Bitcoin. I ultimately emerged them. I put them into a mineral water.

What the heck is going on at Brian's house is what I want to know. I'm, I'm, I'm going to fly out to Cali. I've I've got to see what's happening over there.

I got my Saturn V here. So I don't want to take everybody's time on this, but basically the idea is we don't get a choice about the wave that's coming at us. We get a choice on whether we ride it or we get washed out into it. That is the reality. As much political might as you think you might have in this country, You still have other countries, and they may or may not agree with what our Bernie Sanders or AOC says. Bernie wants to tax every AI company— or not tax it, own 50% of AI companies so that that can pay for people who are out of work. And that's a classic somebody who's not— I'm not getting into politics, I'm just getting into the math— somebody who does not think. About how these things work. I mean, as it is, most of the AI companies are ridiculously formed anyway. I mean, when you look at what Anthropic's, uh, you know, status is going to look like when their S-1 is public, it's ridiculous. Well, we're not— we're here to make a profit, but we're not going to make a profit because we want to be a public goods company, and we want to make sure that we make sure that the public is always being served. And none of it makes any sense. A company exists to make profit for its shareholders. That's the reality, right? And then we vote to try to curtail the impact that it may have within a society we want to live in. And we try to do that in a way that's most fair and it reflects our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. That's, that's what we formed here in this country. And it ain't perfect. It's always going to be an experiment. But to automatically say that, you know, the government is going to own half of all robot companies and half of all AI companies— China's not even doing that. China's just basically saying, hey, you just make us dominate the world and we're cool, so you guys go at it. Um, that's not what we're doing. We're doing everything we can to retard our growth. Let's, let's not train our kids on how to use AI. Let's make everybody mad at technology.

Some, some people like Kevin O'Leary has come out to say that China has funded some of— and he has proof, uh, that he showed that some of the funding, some of the groups that are anti-data centers for his, uh, data center in Utah are China, um, affiliated or funded.

So that's absolutely true. And, you know, Kevin's a great guy. I like him as a public image, but I don't think he's the best public image for data centers in the United States. I think unfortunately he's a Canadian also. And it's unfortunate that that has become the face of data centers because there, there's a lot of negative things that come along with somebody that's running an investment show and calls himself Mr. Wonderful. There's— there— it doesn't— it's not really the right image for this. And unfortunately, I don't know of anybody— I'm not going to be the person— I don't know if anybody wants to go up and actually articulate this correctly, because all of the politicians are trying to ride the horse that they want to get on. It's like, okay, 2028, what horse, you know, this AI thing, what side do I want to be on? They're all playing this game. I talk to a lot of their staffers. I— there's not a week that doesn't go by that I don't talk to somebody's staffer. Well, what, what do you think a position should be on this? And what do you think about that? And it's like, you guys are shifting your angles. You better pick a direction and ride with it, or you're going to be sidelined by the anti-clanker movement. And the reason why I want everybody listening to be aware of this is use your own thoughts, use your own reframes. Ask yourself, okay, do I, do I want to live like they lived in the early 1800s? That's fine, you can do that. But if I want to continue to evolve with this technology, then it's incumbent upon you to invest the time to nuance what this discussion is about. Don't get angry and say, get off my lawn, and You know, get it. You know, it's really easy to get that way. Nuance it and say, okay, Ryan recommended this idea about a home healthcare robot. I personally think the most ideal circumstance is people can leave this place in their own homes with their own robots taking care of them the way they want to, with the dignity that they want. Not in a situation where everybody stacked up like inventory at a retirement home where they are isolated and less and less. Part of the problem is a lot of people don't want to go to a retirement home, not because their grandparents are there, but because the others are there and they have to see it, and it's, it's depressing. Someday I might be be there. That sounds very self-righteous, but I heard so many people who are normally very nice people saying stuff like that. I'm like, you know, have you heard what you're saying? You don't want to go there so you don't want to have to see the other people that are there? That kind of sucks. But that is a reality for a lot of folks. Oh, it smells like diapers in there. It's like, well, yeah, that's because that's what goes on, man.

Maybe the robots in those places would be good too, right?

Yeah, of course. And, and again, I'm not advocating eliminating humans, but if you can't get the humans to do it with honor, dignity, and respect, by all means, certainly I would much rather see a robot. The same is true about a cyber— you know, I call it the dynamic duo, which I encourage a lot of people to participate in, where somebody would own a self-driving car like a CyberTaxi CyberCat and an Optimus, and it can go out and do work. And it's like, hey, you know, there's a, there's a carpenter that needs some help. Well, yeah, I'll send my Optimus down. You can pay and do 8 hours of work and come back home, and you're earning money on this. Or it's taking care of you. Or like I said, you're sending it down downtown to pick something up that you don't want to do, and all of a sudden a couple of anti-clankers start knocking over your your robot, uh, to pull out of the box. It's, it's, it looks like a dystopian movie. But guess what? There are places in the world like China that if you are— do any abuse to somebody's robot, you're 25 years in jail.

Oh geez, you can, you can do whatever you want here and not go to jail.

So instantly that changes the outlook on everybody.

Oh, if we did that, that would be amazing, but we won't.

I think you need to, I need, I think you need to raise the public protection of property to such a high level where it disincentivizes political groups from doing this. If we don't do that, we're not going to make it through this interregnum.

We're not. I know. I'm thinking, Brian, you know, that's Stella crying. If anyone hears like a whining cat, it's a whining cat. She's fine. Um, So what I'm thinking is, you know, it would be totally different if we had a functioning government that put its citizens first and was like, you know what, we're gonna put these data center ins, we're gonna make sure we don't put them anywhere near where anybody lives. We're gonna put the solar panels on top of the data centers, you know, like make it make sense. We'll stick a windmill on top of that and then everything's in one little cluster. But that's not what's happening. And so same thing, like, about having robots. Like, we don't enforce our laws that are already on the books, you know. People are committing crimes all over the place, getting let out, reoffending, killing people. So you're just like, I don't see how this fits into what we now have to recognize as an uncivilized society, for lack of better words. But I mean, you look at El Salvador, it's like, yeah, I'm sure they could have robots walking everywhere right now because they know the consequences if they mess around. But here we're just like, it just feels like the government's always like on the take and we want your money, we want your this, and we're gonna take your land and we're gonna kill the environment. We're gonna put this here and you have no choice. But so I think until people that live here start to feel seen and respected, these fast advancements are gonna just get met with, you know, disapproval. Even though it might be necessary.

You make some great points, but here's what I would urge everybody to do. We need to shift this conversation to what's going to empower us as individuals, right? I want every individual to own the most powerful AI that can ever possibly exist, as I would want everybody to own a pen. And own the right to read. In our generation, one of the ways you controlled society is you didn't let people learn to read, or when you did let them learn to read, you learned English, we have Latin. The Latin was the bifurcation between the lower classes and, you know, in English, right? So, I don't want to get into the big history of it, But when the group of the Shakespeares— because it wasn't one person— decided to make English into an intellectual language, it was a transformation of the lower classes because we were able to read things that we weren't allowed to read before, one being the Bible. The Bible was not allowed to be read by most people, although they coveted it and they wanted to read it, but they didn't even know the language because the first ones were in a language they couldn't understand. So they were mouthing words. I mean, that's how, that's how much people cared about knowledge. At one time, it was a death sentence to own certain books, um, and that's how much people cared. I'm asking people to take that same stance about technology that's going to empower you. Rather, all right, did The data centers are being rolled out the wrong way. It's not being communicated at all. Certainly the energy program was communicated the wrong way. The no nukes program was an anti-capitalist movement to begin with. I mean, it forced the nuclear power plants to be in the worst possible places, and he did the worst possible things, and he had no plan to get rid of the, the refuse of a nuclear program. Which, by the way, we could have used much better nuclear things like sodium, things that China is now using from our old research to make nuclear work.

And now we have Gen 4 nuclear, but people are so afraid of it because of the first rollout of nuclear.

Yes. And this is what's happening right now and it's happening in real time. So how do we fix it? I'll give some quick things. You start with students. But you have to start with teachers. If, if AI companies were to approach me and say, Brian, how do we fix our public relations problem? I would say this summer you take every teacher you can and you put them into seminars. You pay everything necessary to get them to come out and build partnerships with them, understanding how to deploy and utilize AI. Uh, about 25% are not going to care and they're going they're gonna do what they're gonna do. But I believe that 75% are gonna be like, "You know what? This ain't such a bad thing." And they're giving me these resources and tools on how to empower our students to become more powerful with this new tool that we invented. So that instead of banging their hand to build it, to drive in a nail, we now invented a hammer. Now, of course, the people who build up the muscle memory of using their hand to drive in a nail, Well, they're gonna be fresh outta luck. But look at the hammer users that have democratized more people to have access to building. That's the promise of this. More people are democratized to utilizing knowledge that they would never in any other world have had access to. I, I'll give you this example. Throughout most of my young life, I dreamed of the idea of what would the world be like if everybody had access to all the information that ever existed. I wonder what it would be like. Well, we're living in it right now. It's called the internet. Has it really changed us? No, because we haven't functionally changed the way we thought about ourselves and about the world. The same is going to happen with AI. With an AI model, you have the ability to do anything. You don't need anybody's permission at all. You don't need to find an expert. It's right there. Now, is it perfect? No. But is every expert perfect? No. You can build a consensus of expertise with dozens of AI models, and you can do anything you possibly could have thought of right now. And we're busy beating each other over the head like we're cave people. It's like a caveman. It's like, oh, you're doing this. And it's like, you can invent anything if we empower young young people to know that they have this power. You, student, have the power to change the world in a way that nobody else ever had. No king ever had this power. It's in your hands. Do you understand the responsibility you have? Do you understand the power you have to change? That is exciting. I give this talk to young people and like, nobody's ever told me that. It's like, well, this is what you have. This is what El Salvador is going to be teaching. It's part of their curriculum. Do you think that's part of our curriculum? No. Do you think I would— I volunteer to help the United States do this? Yeah. It's very simple. A country— I have 5 countries that are listening to me to do this, and they're already— they've already tested. One country has already tested. It's now 3 semesters, and they have exploded in productivity. Activity with their students. They are bright-eyed, ready for the future. They don't care about careers anymore. See, this is what we need to have to do because nobody has a guaranteed career anymore. And that's a hard thing to take. Yeah, that's the Industrial Revolution that we've been in through. We're now post-industrial revolution. We're in the individual revolution. You now can become a company, you now can do anything. So that gives you more responsibility and more power. Now you have to be intellectually lifted up to that level, emotionally lifted up to that level. Is it going to happen in one generation? No, but it can, and it must, or it's going to be a thousand years of the Flintstones.

And then why do we have to go that far back?

Yeah, I don't know.

Flintstones.

Yeah.

Sounds funny, Rubble, because I think what happens is if we, if we give ourselves this lobotomy— oh, look at that cat— oh, if we give ourselves this lobotomy, we're going to go back really rapidly, and the infrastructure and the political elites that built this infrastructure are going to rapidly implode. And it's happening, it's part of the Fourth Turning. We're in a cyclical period. We have to deal with this reality of the change. I'm just telling people, you can fix this. We can start with the teachers. And I'm not saying all of them are going to be fixed. It doesn't— I know there's people saying that's irredeemable. I'm not that pessimistic. I've talked to a lot of them. They just need the resources. I sit down with them for 20 minutes and say, "Nobody in the administration ever told me I can do that." I go, "Do it. Here, here's a prompt. Do this." And I can only talk to so many people, but I've not met one person that in that educational environment where I can turn around and say, "You need to do this with the students." And once a student is activated, they now look at the world in a much different way. They don't look at the world like, "I'm going to be a doctor for a It's like I'm going to continually build things based upon my own ideas, and that's never going to end. I have this impossible— it's impossible conceive of what I cannot do, right? There's no barrier. Now, a lot of people are in fear of that. It's like, well, where's the organization? It self-organizes. People will rise and fall amongst whatever they're in. And some people say, you know what, I'm going to be the best darn farmer I ever can be, and I can live off the grid, and I can do this because now I have robots and AI that allow me to do this. I don't need to ask anybody's permission. And that's the problem. The biggest fear behind all of this, and the reason why for centralized control, is we're all going to break through the, the we need to ask permission phase of humanity. We're going to break through that for better or for worse because we have those tools. And you have country— companies, sorry, states like New York and California say, uh-oh, not so fast, we're going to control what you 3D print. You can't— no, no, no, don't do that because we want control because you're children and you're going to use guns and everybody has guns. And the last time that worked out in the West, look what happened. Yeah, the country. Yeah, you know, that's the problem. And so if you, if you take their reframes, and I mean both sides, and you don't articulate it yourself, you wind up falling into the trap of taking your generation and maybe the generations that are coming up after you and throwing them into hell, because other parts of the world are not going to let this go down. They're gonna be like, they're already in some ways China is surpassing us.

I saw somebody say we're all in this together. You know, we are. So, you know, I could get like a little tingly and excited thinking about the kids, as you use the words, leapfrogging and using every tool at their fingertips to their advantage. You don't, you know, we always discuss like, is it important to learn algebra or can we just use the tool tools that give you the solution. Yeah, why not? Um, so I think— I, that I'm thinking it— and in order to be useful about this, so you have to get parents activated about wanting their children. I think that's a kind of a first step, are the parents. And you got to get rid of the teachers union. Yeah. And you have to let schools become empowered. And the parents are going to have to bug the schools a lot and make them aware that this is how we want our kids to learn. So I feel like anybody listening to this, so if you can activate parents, you can talk to schools and teachers, you've gotta rail against the teachers unions, you've gotta maybe work with Corey DeAngelis and just say, let's just get one school to commit to leaving the teachers union as a group. That might be an easier way for people to do it instead of individual teachers. Have like a meeting with the school board schools and say, why don't we do this as a school together? We're going to get rid of the teachers unions. You guys can get your own insurance, as Corey taught us. They get better insurance on their own through the other program. And then say, we want better for our students. They need to have everything. They need to learn everything that's going to advance them forward quickly now, not later, because if you are afraid of the jobs being gone, they need to know this now. I think that's another way of looking at it and we all want to be useful. I'm seeing the vision that you're talking about, Brian, and I agree with you. And hearing it your way is important to me because I think if you don't start giving kids the advantage of leapfrogging, then maybe that's why all this other stuff to me feels futile because it's only a few people that know how to use this stuff anyway. So I think that we would feel more confident about our children having a fighting chance in the future if they were already implementing these things in school. And kids are so smart. I mean, they could start this in kindergarten. So, okay, so I feel better about that.

Well, let me say this. I don't wanna leave people with the wrong impression. We must have critical thinking. We must reward critical thinking. The reason why we do math and wrote, you know, things, is not so much to know the math, it's to know the critical thinking of logic and how we arrived at that. Now, we can utilize a lot of different mechanisms to get at that level, but that can't be thrown away. That actually has to be highlighted. But there's one thing that needs to be really brought back, and that's creative thinking. Yes. So we have eliminated creative thinking in the Industrial Revolution. Most recently the 1980s. It was like extracted. '50s, there was a little Kandu era. '70s, there was still some of it left. The Kandu era is 1870 to 1970, in my view. And that's where we had the most creative, most productive group of individuals ever to see on this planet. And it dropped dramatically from that period for a lot of reasons. Scott Adams, plus or minus 10 years. But, you know, certainly when words cost a lot of money, the ideas that were expressed were well thought out. When words don't cost money and anybody with two thumbs and a glass screen can claw out some, you know, caveman response. Absolutely. Now, now words are free and cheap and nobody really cares. And it makes us immune to the powerful words and the powerful ideas. So, we have to discern our students saying, "Hey, not all words are equal. Not all ideas are equal." You need to have discernment. You need to reward creativity. You need to reward people who are the nail sticking out of the wood, the oddball characters, the people that refuse to conform to anything. The lack of conformity is exactly why we we're here. It's— we've broken out of patterns of this is the way it's always going to be. God and nature has never given us the way it's always going to be is always going to be. There's certain fundamental rules written in stone, but everything around that is gestating into its complexity. So teachers, of course, need to be there. Teachers need to foster out and sometimes pull pull out creativity that is not seen. A good teacher saved— a couple good teachers saved my life. If they didn't show me who I was, I wouldn't be here right now. I shudder to think where I would have been in Jersey in that environment.

Hey, yeah, you'd be at Delaney Hall rioting right now.

Yeah. And so I value what a good teacher can do, especially in old good teacher. I think the fact that we don't have enough old teachers, yep, is a testament of our failure. It used to be a lifelong commitment of love. One of my oldest teachers was in her 70s, Mrs. Brown, and she grabbed me by the ear and told me how it was, and it was like, wow, it, it got my attention.

Yeah.

And she would bring in her baked goods. None of this is legal anymore. Um, but my point is, we, we have disenfranchised the youth to such a level where we're like, oh well, when I was your age, I was already out earning a living. Well, you know, you're not in this world with those kids. They were not raised with the same tools. You can't blame that kid. You got to blame the people who are saying, oh, you don't need this, you know, you can get a job and you human resources and gender diversification, and you'll have a career for the rest of your life. And these kids are being put out into the street. They didn't necessarily want— here's the problem. Those kids didn't necessarily want that career. They were formed into that career through 18 years of formation of schooling, and all of a sudden they're dropped out into the world And they're like, "Hold it, the whole system that I was built for is being decoupled. What am I going to do?" And of course, they're going to be running to their emotional support pet because the world that they were promised by the adults was not there. They were lied to. So, of course, they're going to hate technology too, right? Because they have a student loan and their job was taken by technology. So, summer of 2028, Guess what? You're going to see a lot of those people out in the street changing politics to the level we've never seen it before if we don't get our act together. I'm talking about both sides. Everybody thinks that— everybody thinks they're going to ride the beast. This beast is forming and it's not going to be pretty, and it's being influenced by foreign governments. There's no doubt about it. So it's these people here who have great discernment, because you're here, you're still listening to us talk. You need to help change the world. You need to help discern this. You need to help reframe it. Say, hey, the data center, for or against? What? I'm sorry, it's not an on and off switch. It's not. I'm, I'm against it being next to my built-in pool.

That's it.

Yeah, you know, but I'm, I'm for this technology that's going to allow us to be here for the next 250 years. I'm here for that— our way of life, this amalgamation of people we call Americans who have agreed to commit to this experiment of freedom and liberty and a republic. I, I want that to continue on, and, and that's the I want to leave the place a little better than when I came into it, because right now, if we all croak, we're leaving a place worse off than when we got in here. That's a fact. And, and so it's easy to point at the kids, it's easy to get mad at them because they're the front face of it. But think, think about it before you start getting so angry about those liberal kids with the rags on their faces. They are tools. They are puppets being manipulated. And if you got the gumption, sit down and talk to one, say, hey, what's going on? And when you get down to it, they're scared out of their heads. And a lot of the anti-movement started in 2008 when the entire financial bubble collapsed and they saw their parents lose their homes, lose their relationships, divorces, suicides. Jobs gone. That started a repercussion that we're still living through today. And the AI and robotics thing could be that times 1,000. And so, if you want to help change, spend time with old people and spend time with young people. And don't debate politics because those are talking points. Debate, hey, what do you want from your life? I don't know. You'll start crying. You talk to an 18, 19-year-old, they have no hope. You talk to them, it's like, well, I hope to— my guidance counselor told me— well, what about your parents? Well, my mom's on her third husband, and my dad, I don't know where he is. Mhm. Right? Well, who raised you? Um, a group of people, my grandparents, but they're getting old, and So you have to start looking at our society, and you can get— again, point fingers at different political parties, fine. We got this problem now. What are you going to do about it, right? What are you going to do about it? If you're really mad, start talking to these kids. I do. I got kids that age. I, I— they talk about things that I don't necessarily— not my kids necessarily, but some of their friends talk about things. And I got one that's good They don't know where their parents are. You know, they're being raised by an older sister. And it's, it's unfortunate, their views and how they were formed. They were a ragtag collection of different talking points that were injected upon them in school. And so when you talk to them, they're just going to regurgitate these talking points. And then when you realize that they have never been given any real information, you want to break down and cry because we have created purpose, purposely an injured, injured individual. Yeah. And you just want to say, hold it, let's start this all over again. This is why we're here. This is who your people are— humans. Your people are humans. They're not, they're not this— we're all mutts, you know. First, if you start out with the idea that we're all mutts, which we are, period, end of story. And I can demonstrate that easily. Then we're all part of a mutt family. And some of us are Calico and some of us are not. It is not some kind of kumbaya. It's just the reality. The bifurcation is designed to make us want to hate based upon this idea. This young kid doesn't know what's going on. Yeah, right. It's because you screwed up. Right.

I didn't. There's a reason. Yeah.

Yes, you did. Because you grew up in that world. Somehow, somehow you're responsible in some way. And if you don't take that ownership, then, you know, guess what? You don't take the benefits of it either, right? Because the bottom line is we're responsible for the good and the bad that came from our time through this. So to put a cap on it is start with mom and dad if they're there. Start with whoever is close— uncle, aunt— and say, hey, what's going on? What's going on in that head there? I'm scared, Grandpa. I'm scared, Dad. Why? I don't know. I don't think I'm ever going to be able to buy a house. I don't know how I'm going to get that money. I don't know how I'm going to get the money to put down on a house. But your career? Well, it turns out I don't know if I got a career. I, I, I just put out my jobs. You know, the graduating— let's say they're graduating right now. Do you know this graduating class has the least likely chance of being unemployed ever since being recorded.

And is that going to be worse next year? Much worse.

And so on and so on and so on. And so, well, those kids, it's too hard. I'm an old person, I don't want to think through it. Great, you don't— you have that right. But when you start spouting out how screwed up it is, realize that they could have been your kid. They could be anybody's kid. Have some humility to say, we screwed up. All right, kid. All right, you're right. If I was in your position, I'd be a little angry too. Uh, $150,000 of debt, which I can't get bankrupt away from, which I got loaded up with the exploding cigar and Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner going off the cliff, right? These kids are being sent off the cliff. And saying, ah, I made my money. It's like, yeah, with what? What was that degree? Most degrees are unfortunately worthless. Most people don't even use them, right?

100%. All my friends that went and got a college degree are doing something that had nothing to do with what they did at all because they couldn't find a job doing that. And that was back then.

And that forest is coming down. We're already seeing it. With Trump 1 and Trump 2, the whole heirs of Harvard and all the major universities, they're all starting to fall down. It became a huge educational grift. I use AI to go across academic papers. You don't want to know how bad some of the academic papers are as far as stealing information, completely fabrication. And a lot of it's medical. A lot of the medical fallacies that we believe in Well, we just found out about Alzheimer's, right? I hope most people— it's like, oh, it's the, uh, it's the, uh, you know, the brain with this, uh, you know, this coagulation. No, it's not. It's a, it's a form of diabetes. It's a health problem. And but trillions were spent in that grift. Trillions. And that's the educational grift. You get in there, you get a— you become a, uh, you you know, a university professor, you have tenure, and you don't want to lose your job. So, you keep perpetuating the old story. The university system up till the 1960s was self-cleaning. The old professors that lost their edge, they got pushed aside. You got a job, you're gonna— but the new ideas and the young people were pushing forward. That's how it works. And I know when you're old, you don't want to be pushed aside, but you know, when you were younger, did you want the old people out of the way? Damn straight. So don't be double-duplicitous, you know. Know that there is a time for young people to move forward. And that's what I'm trying to say. Too many old people are leading everything right now, and that's part of the problem. And I'm not saying that I By the way, look at DC. The whole thing, yeah.

Look at all those old people, get out. Yeah. Let the young people in. They have to, you've gotta align with what the country's doing now and where it's going, not what happened when you guys first came in 90 years ago.

And if you're scared about what the young people will do, well, do a better job in informing them and do it with grace and compassion. You don't need to argue and tell them how wrong wrong they are. It's— everything is new to somebody who's younger. They didn't see all the crap that we all have been through. So if you present it like, oh, you should know that, they shouldn't know it. They're seeing the world anew. And hopefully they take all the stuff that we did wrong and they do something better and do something else that's wrong. Is there— there's always going to be wrong in every generation. So my view is this: And this is very— this is how unfortunately technology gets into what the elements of politics— I, again, this is not political, it's just philosophical. Um, if we don't turn the youth around in the next 2 years in America, we could be facing Flintstones, because the political revolution that's going to come in 2028, it's not— it's not going to be what you think. It's going to be people who are already impacted by job loss. It's going to be people who have already lost their ability to utilize their degree, not on their own fault. Oh, you're a dumb kid. Well, yeah, you were a dumb kid. You were 14, 15 years old. Your guidance counselor said, here's your career path. You had no mom and dad, or you did, maybe they screwed up, I don't know. And you trusted the system. You didn't have the brain to be, you know, a conspiratorial individual at 14. Well, let me calculate this out. Okay, it's the Rockefellers and this, and, you know, Alex Jones and the gay frogs, you know, something like that. You didn't have that. You were just a kid trying to live a freaking normal life, and you were saying, okay, how do I, how do I make something of myself in this world? Well, the education system told me this. And you got to the end and he loaded you up with the exploding cigar and he said, okay kid, now you're on your way. Hey, don't forget to pay your loan. Good luck. Don't forget to pay your student loan. And by the way, you're going to be paying it for until you're at least to your grave. Yeah. So that's the system that we have. That's a system that's collapsing in the interregnum, and that energy is going to be utilized in a way we've never seen before. I hope I'm, I'm not telling something new to people listening here, because you really got to get your head around this. All the systems that you thought existed are going to be changing before your very eyes, if they aren't already. And you're going to say, okay, Brian mentioned that people are going to start beating up robots, and you're going to see it just materialize. The first one's walking down the street, you're gonna be like, "Hey, that's cool." Boom.

But didn't we know that? As soon as I saw the first little delivery thing, I'm like, oh, you know, I'm picturing like a teen takeover. Like, "We'll take this thing and we're gonna bring it home." And you know that they're just gonna get stolen, beat up, spray painted, kicked, knocked over. Of course, yeah.

So does that mean our country moves forward?

It has to move forward, yes, yes.

And if you were a foreign country that wanted to dominate the world, would you not implant that through via TikTok and other mechanisms to make it cool? And would you not make sure the educational system gets you so low in your understanding of history and your understanding of your freaking power, right? If, if you were told the power you have, that these untapped resources you have at a young age you would feel invincible by the time you become a young woman or a young man. You'd be like, hey, I know what my goals are, you know. I, I know what processes of humanity I want to keep because they make sense, and I know the ones I want to expand because they make sense, and I'm going to work on that. Everybody's a victim. So when they see these robots, they see other people having You know, you know, listen, SpaceX is going to IPO as one of the, the most largest IPOs in, in history. And people are going to be like, yeah, that Elon, he's a trillionaire, and whatever you want to believe. But the bottom line is it's the only chance we have to get into space. And you might say, well, why do you want to get in space? Take him for face value, to save humanity. Because if we screw up this place and it all goes to Flintstones and we have a colony on Mars or in low Earth orbit or on the moon, maybe humanity survives. Mm-hmm. Right. Because that, that is the possibility of where we're heading. And the fact that we have an individual that is willing to do whatever he's doing to try to make that happen is phenomenal. It's taking place in your lifetime. And the problem is we don't really respect people because we see their foibles, uh, when it's happening right in front of us. But no government has ever done this. Yeah, we tried to do it with the moon in, in reality, maybe in theory, um, but look where we are now. We're— by the time SpaceX gets to its 10-year IPO anniversary, it's going to be having billions of, uh, tokens being sent down per second from space AI centers. And this debate about whether or not a data center is a bad or a good thing will pretty much long be gone. And I'm talking probably about a decade. Why? Energy is free 24 hours a day up there, right? There's nobody to complain, and it doesn't make anything look ugly. You just deploy your solar cells, you let these things ride. Is there downsides? Yeah, you're going to get hit in the head one once or twice, maybe. I don't know, these things fall. Probably not. But that's what we have the possibilities of. And when you have robots making robots, all of a sudden the, the possibility of an individual magnifies because you will have control over that if we get through this interregnum. And that's the problem. We have a generation, the oldest generations and the youngest generations to help educate on this because they're going to be the deciding factors. And unfortunately, a lot of white-collar jobs that are going to be eliminated already are eliminated, you know, all across this country. And there's so many people are going to want to see this self-destructive brain surgery taking place. Interesting. So I don't want to leave people negative.

Oh my gosh. All right. So, okay, so we won't leave negative. So I already know I have to call Corey DeAngelis. I have so many ideas. So I saw someone go, "Erica's mesmerized." I'm like, yeah, because I'm like, do, do, do, do, do, do. I have all these ideas. Who do I need to tell to do this, do that? I just have ideas. I have suggestions. I think all of you do too. I think we learned so much today. And yes, you guys, you can just thank me now. I'm fully aware of what time it is. And I did not cut off Brian because he kept going. So what an amazing treat for all of us, Brian. Thank you so, so, so much. Um, and yes, you guys, maybe Brian will come do a Locals. This is why we're telling you. So last night we had a great conversation on Scott Adams' Subscribers Only. Um, Jeff Callahan, who you guys know, and Jeff Pilkington, you guys might not know, but they're both, uh, writer-directors, authors. Like, they're in that creative space. And it was just what you were saying. The conversation ended up being that that creativity is so necessary moving forward with the whole AI and the robots and whatever. It, it's shocking how much creativity you really need. So, you know, don't, don't be discouraged. I think there will be opportunities to learn and to grow. And I like the way Brian framed a lot of things today. I feel better about a lot of it. I really do. So much could be improved, like the location of these data centers, the The messaging is horrible right now. O'Leary needs to, yeah, stop being the spokesperson. He's not a good messenger, but I like him, but not a good messenger. So anyway, but Brian, thank you so, so much. And maybe we can grab you one night on Locals just for the subscribers. So you guys subscribe to Locals. And by the way, if you subscribe for the year, it's $70. You get 2 months for free that way. It's $7 a month., and it just keeps all of this going, and you're going to get extra content, and you're all— you can also like watch on Locals or Rumble and chat, and we do, we do fun stuff. So that's going to be strictly for subscribers, and why not? You're still supporting, you know, Scott Adams' legacy, what he built, the estate, the, the everybody. So it's, you know, it's not like a, a grift at all. It goes to Scott's estate, and it's what he wanted. So keep that in mind. Um, and because of Scott Adams and what he built, and that, you know, we can keep this going— we had this amazing conversation with Brian today. I'm almost getting choked up. Um, I'm getting choked up. Anyway, so we appreciate you, Brian. Marcela and I were so lucky to be here chatting with you today and with everybody here. Um, Marcela, any closing statements? We're so late. I'm sorry, Marcela.

Just that it's an exciting time to be alive today. I am— we are so lucky to be here. And don't, don't let negativity of, you know, get down. Um, there will be new ways of working and new ways of being, and, and we're ready for it. Just, uh, we're—

we, we have to be our own leaders though, you know, and get activated, right? Get activated and activate the schools and the parents and everybody, because it's going to take the whole team effort. Brian, any closing words from you?

Well, first off, I, I, I love being here, and I love what you guys are doing and keeping Scott's spirit alive. It's, um, it's really amazing. Uh, I, I really didn't even think that this would be possible, but it is. And, you know, you guys are just continually forming this group. I hope it continues to grow and get get even more dynamic and activated. And I think it's important to understand, with all of— like Marcella was saying— with all the negativity in the world, you have to hold on to your positivity. You have to hold on that we're living through one of the most dynamic periods in history, and the power that you have is unlimited. And you— we get in our own way. I mean, I get in my own way. I fail to see what I can do, but I constantly try to challenge myself. So challenge yourself on what you can really do. And it really comes down to people and not phrases and not groups or anything like that. You talk to one or two kids and you try to give them hope, and it's hard to give them hope, right? Because I don't know how my kids are going to be able to afford money down on a house if things don't work out for me or something like that, how would they get— you know, average home here in California is about $750,000. 20%—

I couldn't move here now if I was starting now.

Yeah, most people could not, right? I really couldn't afford the house I'm in right now if I was starting out. Um, so that's the reality for all of us, and we all feel like, hey, we got ours, but what about them? And put yourself in their position. The, the world is so freaking confusing. So the positive way to deal with that is understand you're dealing with human beings that have very limited access to information and find very compassionate and, and thoughtful ways and patient ways to try to lay out the breadcrumbs. You can't force-feed anybody anything, but if you give people some glimmers of hope. That is just enough. I existed on a thread of hope many times in my life, and I think most of us can probably say that. We don't know how we got through it. It's like, oh, I don't know, I'm gonna get the other side. It's one thread and you got to the other side. Give that opportunity to somebody young.

That's all.

Absolutely. We don't do that, they will win, whoever they are. Right? Because they are selling hopelessness, they are selling victimhood, and we aren't.

Thank you, Brian. Thank you so much. You know how much I appreciate you and love you. I, I just adore you so much. Um, you guys, let's just say again, as we always say, um, you know, we're going to go out there and be useful. We have so many lessons that we learn every day and different reasons and and different ways to motivate, inspire, be creative. So let's, let's please, please do that for the sake of civilization wherever you live, whatever country you're in, whatever your situation is. So always thank you to Shelley and Scott that this show goes on. And a closing sip to our beloved Scott Adams and the home team. We'll see you tomorrow, guys. So get out there, get activated, and be useful. To Scott.

Scott.

Thanks, Brian.

Thank you. Love you all.

Thank you, Brian. Love you too. Amazing show. Bye, guys.

Bye.