The Scott Adams School - 06/23/26 Joshua Lisec Joins Erica and Owen. News & Nonsense

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Good morning, good morning, good morning! Welcome in, you guys. Just letting mine catch up with you guys. Oh, I, I feel like I'm pretty in sync. Okay, hi everybody! It's me and Owen and Joshua. I could hear his tires screeching around the corner. He's almost at the office. Uh, so he will be here in a second, but let's come on in and hang out for a second, give a chance for all the platforms to load up. Let me make sure I have my YouTube on so I can see the YouTubers. What's going on, Bushman? Vic, Craig, Annie, of course Annie. Good morning, YouTube! Hey, Flynn! Hey, you guys! Hey, you guys! What's up? And Marcella returns tomorrow, so yay team! Okay, let me get going here. Do you think everybody's piling in? Do you think— all right, what do you guys think? Let's take a wager. Will Joshua be here before— oh my God, I cannot center my desk, you guys. Something weird. Look at— okay, do you think Joshua will be here before the sip is over? Or no? Dun dun dun.

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Ah, it's like magic. Joshua's here, you guys. Poof! Good morning, Joshua. How are you?

Good morning, Erica. I'm pretty dandy. Good to be here with you all.

Oh, lovely. Oh, I love dandy. I say dandy all the time. I think I need more light, you guys. I am so, um, out of sorts today. I cannot figure my life out. I mean, not that I was trying to do the whole thing in one day, but maybe Joshua can help me with some kind of system to figure out my entire life. So Joshua, how have you been? We've missed you. We're so excited to have you back today.

I miss you all as well. I've been a busy, uh, busy author and co-author. You know, I announced a new book, uh, a few, uh, a couple of weeks ago, my fifth, fifth Lysak book of the year. And then of course there's still the project I'm collaborating on with Joel Pollack of Scott's official biography. You know, that'll be coming out later in this year in time for the holiday season, so that'll be good. But there's a, there's a lot going on here. And, uh, tell us about the new book. Oh yes, the new book. Yes. So I live in Dayton, Ohio, and near Dayton, Ohio is a city called Springfield. And of course Springfield is now famously known for, uh, they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs. Okay, the sort of the viral, uh, pet, uh, consumption meme from September 2024, right around the time of the presidential debates. Now for the past approximately 5 years at that time, Springfield had played involuntary host to an immense Haitian migrant influx. So 2010, Haiti of course suffered the natural disaster. There was, uh, basically an exodus of millions of people from the country. Many of them ended up in South America, Brazil and Chile specifically, and Even though Haitian culture and American culture are, let's say, distinct, unique unto themselves, and Haitians in Springfield have had, shall we say, a generally difficult time with assimilating and integrating, which we'll come back to in a moment. But 2021, you have President Biden You have Secretary Mayorkas, you have a wide open border, and you then have as many as 10 to 20 million undocumented migrants, AKA illegal aliens, call them what you want, coming over the border. And there were these massive caravans of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands even, of Haitians who basically walked from Chile and Brazil all the way up through South America, through some of the most dangerous parts of, of the world. Many of them died in journey. I don't think that number is of how many Haitian migrants actually died. Disease, crime, boat capsizing, getting eaten by jungle animals, literally happening. And then continue walking basically or going by boat from the northern tip of South America to Florida and then Miami because Miami has quite a Haitian community or then walking all the way up through Mexico. One of the better-known spots that they stopped and built kind of basically a migrant camp was in Del Rio, Texas across the Rio Grande. An immense trial of great suffering. Now, these Haitians were promised the American dream, specifically Springfield, Ohio. People that I spoke to, I interviewed dozens of people who are, I would say, the most in the know with why did so many Haitians come to Springfield, where did they come from. I spoke with Haitians also, and many of them believed that Springfield had great housing, great jobs, great neighborhoods, great community, great— all these things, okay, sort of this, this 10 out of 10 dream was pitched to the Haitian people who are migrating up through you know, during the Biden administration? Well, Springfield, like many B, C, and D-tier cities in America, unfortunately, but also in Ohio, has suffered from all of the prior administration's immigration policies and globalization of the economy, resulting in jobs getting shipped out, factories going out of business, uh, many large businesses and smaller businesses that had depended on those businesses going out of business. So sort of catastrophic cascade. Then you have the opioid crisis, you have addiction, you have Ohio being, I believe it is, the state with the highest per capita drug overdose rate, largely because of the interstates, Interstate 75 and Interstate 70, that cross, that intersect in Ohio, near me actually, here in Dayton, Ohio. And all of these ills were piling up on one another. You had something between 20,000 and 30,000 Springfielders leaving over the last 40 years, sort of this cascading effect of moving out. Formerly, Springfield was one of the most prosperous cities in the United States. It was a great city that played host to all manner of factories and inventors, and there's museums still all around Clark County showing the fantastic history of this once glorious city. So Springfield was a city that was struggling to kind of, what are we going to be here in the future? And then you get depending on who you talk to, between 15,000 and 34,000 Haitian migrants uniquely unassimilated to the American way of life kind of dropped on the town. And at that time, Springfield was only 60,000 people. So that's, you know, between, between, uh, 25% and over 50% of your population size growing overnight.

Did you say why Springfield?

Experience of the Haitian migrants is very different in South America and Haiti. Although some did come from Haiti to Springfield. This is very—

did you, did you say why Springfield in particular?

Yes, I think a number of reasons. I explore those in the book. When you look at follow the money heuristic, it does actually seem to show that that was the case. The first Springfield migrant who is Haitian goes back to 2018. So you go from like one person, we even, we can like, it is identified who this one woman was. And she was actually originally from New York, so not exactly like a, you know, um, Haitian kind of showing up off, off the boat or through the, uh, through the jungle. Um, but there was a combination of word of mouth and temp agencies who began placing Haitian workers, paying them significantly less than United States, uh, like American citizen, native-born, heritage resident, paying them significantly less at temporary jobs. Um, and making hand over fist in cash money off of these workers. Both the, I would say, anti-influx citizens I spoke with and those advocating for the Haitians' well-being both were very upset by the fact that these American jobs were not advertised and handed out to Haitian migrants as temporary workers, and be getting paid significantly less. A number of Americans that I spoke with, Ohioans, Springfield residents, they, they lost job opportunities, they lost housing that they had lived in. So you saw, uh, all manner of costs going up around town. Car insurance, because so many of the Haitians did not know how to drive, and there were accidents including the killing, um, of, um, of, of Springfield residents via Haitian drivers. Immense destruction of property around town. Very, very dangerous. One of the people I'm talking to, you know, sitting across from him, he's a homeless minister who now has found himself dealing with this influx of Haitians, resulting in single mothers, generally poor people just trying to piece it together, getting cast out of their housing basically because the rent's going up 50 to 200% because now the Haitians can pay more because they're getting all these welfare benefits, but it's not quite enough to keep them not from having to get a job, but then they're stuffing Haitians, 20, 30, even 100 in a single house.

What?

They're illegally charging them per person.

Wow.

Per person. This seems like a huge RICO conspiracy.

It was, well, I don't know so much that it was that, it was we can make a lot of money really fast off of people who don't know any better. Hoy. And to the detriment of our heritage residents.

It just seems like it's highly coordinated with a whole bunch of people making all this stuff happen, and it's illegal, right? So I mean, if they're breaking the law left and right and they're all coordinating to do it, it seems like this big RICO case that could be made.

The, the, the Haitian influx into Springfield, Ohio is a representative case study of immigration in the United States today. I think that's why this, this is so important. And I thought no one had ever actually written a book about this. This is probably the most— it might be the most consequential story of the, of the 2024 presidential election, aside from the other book that I did called Bulletproof about the assassination attempts on Donald Trump, uh, that of course being the other obvious one.

Joshua, what's the name of this book?

I went there in 2024. Vivek Ramaswamy and Tiffany Justice, formerly of Moms for Liberty, were doing a kind of a town hall of both Haitian business people and local leaders and whatnot. I'm there with the people and I'm trying to get in and there is outside a little man from Politico, allegedly Politico is how I describe him in the book. He comes up to me and he starts asking me questions about my experience and where I'm from and how I know Springfield, what my thoughts are. And before I'm able to answer any questions, you know what he does is he simply announces, "Oh, oh, oh, it's all been debunked." He has a really high nasally voice. He's like, "Oh, it's all been debunked. It's all debunked. It's all been debunked." That of course is referring to, I wasn't sure. Is he talking about like the cats and the dogs thing? What is he talking about? And he used the passive voice, which is something really sneaky that your journalibs will do where something hasn't actually been debunked. They just want you to kind of go along with that. And I wanted to ask him, So, are you the one who did the debunking? Like, did you go out to the neighborhoods? Did you do the gumshoe journalism, detective work? Did you do any of that? No, no, didn't do any of that? Okay. So that left a bad taste in my mouth, so to speak, haha, because this official story has been hoaxed away. Okay, let's just, it's announced as a hoax.

What is it?

PolitiFact announced that the Haitians of Springfield story was the lie of the year. Called it the lie of the year. And it quite bothered me that that language was used because I had kind of heard through the local grapevine that a lot of terrible things have been happening in Springfield to the Heritage residents, but also too, and with the Haitians. It's not like these people from an underdeveloped country originally are maliciously showing up and just harming the locals. That's not exactly happening. But if you understand Haitian culture, it's unique. We'll call it that. There's an anthropologist I quote liberally in the book who describes Haiti as more African than Africa in the values, the customs, the language, so on and so on and so forth. And you might expect someone who comes literally from, from, uh, let's say classical Africa Coming into Ohio, Midwestern town, probably not to have the best time of their lives for anyone. That said, I decided and I was put up to it by Jack Posobiec. He encouraged me, do the book, do the book. You got to do the book. Call it Haitians of Springfield. So Jack Posobiec gave me the title of the book.

All right.

Wait, is that what it's called? Haitians of Springfield?

Haitians of Springfield.

Okay, guys, there's your answer.

Yes. And so it releases October 6th, like, like in between a couple of other books I have going on, one of which is Unelected that I'm doing with, uh, with Jennica Pounds. And, and funny enough, she provided some help, uh, on this book looking up some of the data, uh, and, and confirming what the citizens suspected. This, it, you know, kind of doing a sample of, of the Clark County justice system. It does seem— and we present this in the book— it does seem that the, the justice system of Clark County, it has a two-tiered system. It does seem that way, where the residents are punished with one standard, but if you're a Haitian, you have a lower standard. That, that does seem to be the case. It also does seem to be the case, and this has been documented on video, this is so many anonymous sources, is crazy, that I interviewed that asked to be left anonymous because they will lose their job, they will lose everything., if, if it comes out that they were the source. There's immense fear in Springfield, um, because of the, the pro-Haitian migrant— let's say, I will call it propaganda— of Clark County that basically says you go along with this or you are racist. Uh, do you, do you want to, do you want to be outed as a racist? Do you want to be known? Uh, do you want to be known that you're a racist? Do you want that to be the the story. Is that what you want? And there's not that many jobs available in Springfield as once there had been. And so it's a bit of a hard time that people are having, and I feel quite compassionate for everyone involved. Now, on the matter of the story that began all this, the eating the cats, eating the dogs thing, something interesting that I found is that No one ever said anything about dogs. No one ever said anything about dogs. I go there and I'm going to quote Representative Phil Plummer. He was the former Montgomery County Sheriff. He's now a state legislator. And by the way, because of all the problems with the Haitian drivers, uh, he got it put into the state budget for one of the years after multiple killings of Springfield residents by the Haitian, uh, Haitian drivers. He got it put into the budget that if you're Even if you're over 18, you have to complete driver's education. You have to complete certification courses. You have to do all the things that like an under-18 person would to get a license, because what were happening is Haitians over 18 were coming and just buying cars. How are they buying cars? That's another interesting story. Like new cars or gently used cars when they come across Del Rio, and they have literally like all their entire belongings and net worth, like in a backpack? How do they show up and buy a $14,000 car? So speaking of there being lots of money being made, and Jenica Pounds in the book called Unelected, we talk about the NGO administrative complex. I dive deep into the NGO administrative complex of Clark County, Springfield, Ohio specifically, that is uniquely focused on Haitian welfare and well-being and elevating this community with as many opportunities and as many freebies, gimmies, and stimmies as they can possibly, uh, get. Basically maxing it out. And it's rather odd because you have these organizations in Springfield dedicated to maximal supporting— maximum supporting of Haitian migrants who are not from Springfield. So why, why is this— why is this happening? Heritage residents are pissed, I will say. I mentioned the homeless minister that I was interviewing for this, gave me so many wild stories, including groups of Haitians going to food pantries, right, for like for the homeless and the underprivileged, going to the food pantries, getting items and products there like for free, and then going and then selling them on the street. That's what you do in Haiti. All right, that's just what you do in a low-trust, underdeveloped culture. So many of the, of the issues is the cultural incompatibility. And you might remember that viral New York cop speaking to the so-called tunnel Jews, right there in that community that was building the illegal tunnels under their, um, uh, under the, under the synagogue in New York City. The Italian-American police officer said, and this is the story of the Haitians of Springfield, we don't do that in America.. And that lesson, I think, has insufficiently been taught to this community. But again, it's between 15,000 and 34,000 Haitians. How exactly are you going to do that when they all show up in the span of a few months and there are a select few, like basically fewer than a half— about a half dozen to a dozen individuals who have built vast fortunes off of the presence of the Haitians of Springfield? It's not exactly something that you might call it a conspiracy. But what it is, is naked opportunism, naked opportunism. And the city benefits as an organization, as an impersonal entity. The city benefits from all this presence of new people because now they get to plan and say, look, look how fast we're growing as a community, right? Look at all the business that we can now attract. Look at all the land that we can develop and purchase. Look at all the data centers that we can build. That's a new thing that people are upset about is these new housing developments being built., and then there's a data center going up right next to it, and the people buying— who had bought those houses didn't know about the data center. And so now their backyard is this vast industrial complex. Okay, data center, you know, smoke and steam and all this stuff. That's a great backyard view because there had been a forest there previously. So now you've got dozens of people upset about that. It is just frankly a mess. And I mentioned, uh, Representative Phil Plummer and the cats and dogs situation. So I never met anyone who said anything about a dog. But what I think happened after speaking to dozens of people and the dozens of people who have spoken to the hundreds of people, uh, and I would spend like hours, days. I spent 10 weeks in Springfield, uh, and what I would do is I would do drive-alongs and ride-alongs with residents, with elected leaders. I spoke with first responders and the law enforcement, former law enforcement. Probably the most significant interview that I did was with the Sheriff of Clark County She was a sheriff from 2017 to 2025. She saw literally everything. Her, her, her perspective is— I say, I don't say this, I don't say this negatively. I say this with accuracy. It was ghastly what she witnessed. And she gave me it all. I mentioned Phil Plummer, speaking of sheriff, but of Montgomery County next door, Sheriff Plummer, then and now a representative. He was the guy who got it in the bill that specifically these Haitian drivers, but everyone, you have to actually have the driver's ed so you're not flipping your car, you're not crashing it in apartment buildings, you're not crashing it in fences, you're not doing a hit and run and then fleeing, which was a big deal that I found over and over. The homeless minister, I'm sitting there interviewing him for maybe our third conversation, and a buddy calls him, hey, you know, my wife just got rear-ended by a Haitian, and then he was— she was trying to get his information, but he didn't produce a driver's license or insurance. Uh, um, and then he tried to flee the scene and she tried to hold him there, and then 15 Haitians showed up to intimidate her, and there's this big fight, this big argument breaking out, you know, and he's calling his friend to try to counsel him on what to do. I'm just sitting here, this, and this spontaneously happens. Like, all the things that had been debunked, I debunked the debunking simply by showing up to Springfield and watching what's going on and talking to people. It surprised me how easy it was to reveal that the hoax is itself a hoax. It's the strangest news story that I think there is in the United States in the last number of years, where the, the news story that there's no story here, that's the story. Do you understand? The story is that the official story is there is no story. That's the story. And I got it all in 115,000 words. They said, give me a 65,000-word book, Skyhorse Publishing said. Well, here's 119. And I probably could have had it be 600 pages. There's a lot that I cut out. There were so many redundancies hearing the same story over and over again. Phil Plummer at Vivek's event. I'm standing outside getting interviewed and kind of pelted with interview requests there in 2024, September. And inside, Phil Plummer is talking to Vivek. And Phil Plummer begins with, I don't know about the cats and the ducks. It was never cats and dogs. I think what happened is somebody typing out cats and ducks, sending it up the chain into the Trump campaign. I think someone's cats and ducks was autocorrected to cats and dogs because that phrase is far more common in our language than cats and ducks. No one ever said anything about dogs. It was always the cats and the ducks.

And I want you to know that someone on Locals witnessed someone eating a swan, and there's someone on YouTube that said they were eating the squirrels too.

Well, I would not surprise me. Uh, everywhere I went around town, there was like, oh yeah, you know, I, I, I saw a few Haitians, um, they, they picked up wood ducks— no, not wood ducks, but like the Pekin ducks from the park, wood ducks at Snyder Park. You know, this one student at— who, who gave me his name, by the way, he was like, oh no, I don't care— a Wittenberg University student. There's a bunch of universities in Clark County. In that area. I'm just driving down the road, you know, here's the day I was there, here's what I saw. This big white van, Haitian gets out, he runs over there, he chases after a Canadian goose, grabs it by the neck and it's flailing and flapping its wings and then he jumps in the back of the van and then they pull off and I'm like, what the hell did I just see? Maybe there is something to this. But that story, over and over and over and over again. I'm like, well, it happened so fast and I was driving, how am I gonna get my phone out and like, am I gonna go back and they're gone, you know? That story was just overwhelmingly common. Without— there's sort of this, this, this, this truth amongst the locals that this is all happening. And yet when that story goes to the national media, the national media treats it like Bigfoot sightings, right? That, that is the, that is the veracity that is granted the Heritage Citizens of Springfield, I believe, largely because they're a working-class, conservative, Trump-voting, predominantly white community. So they're sort of the basket of deplorables, so to speak, the Heritage residents of Springfield. And so they're already disdained by the managerial elite within the media and those circles. And so there's this, there's this divide of classism, like, well, obviously you're not telling the truth about, about Haitians. Oh, and if the things that are happening are happening, well, that's good, you deserve it. And so there's that two-part of the story, uh, that, that, that, that's there. It's not happening, uh, and you're racist for saying it is. Oh, it is happening? Well, good, because you're racist, you deserve it. And a, let's say, an observation that I had, which was confirmed by several locals, uh, who, who very much in the know, is something like The reason Springfield was selected to have the Haitians, the reason why the Haitians are still there in the immense numbers that they are— between 8,000 and 12,000 is the current estimate that I got— the reason there are so many Haitians in Springfield is to punish Springfield. And that observation does bear itself out. And again, I, I don't—

punish them for what?

For being white, for being working class, for being conservative, for being largely Christian, uh, for being Trump supporters, for being MAGA, you know, uh, for hosting Donald Trump in 2016 during his, during his original campaign. One of the local entrepreneurs, and also who doubles as an investigative journalist, uh, that I spoke with, uh, he, he pointed out that several factories, several businesses opened, or their, their plans were announced during the first Trump administration and were Trump's success stories for his first administration, all right, with new trade and new business and expansion, all these things, success stories of the first Trump administration that were announced were immediately co-opted during the Biden administration to benefit immigrants or, or migrants, many of which technically are illegal aliens because they were not correctly processed. You know, it's like you, you, uh, you, you, you tear down the border wall and you just let people come in into the border. Technically, those still are illegal immigrants, but if there's like Temporary Protected Status, TPS, that, that they are protected from deportation So in the book, I call them Schrödinger's immigrants, very much like Schrödinger's cat quantum reality, let's say, thought experiment. It's like they're both legal and illegal at the same time. And one story that I'm breaking in the book is that there is evidence of fraud that I uncovered to the surprise of no one. And I cover that in the book.. And it seems that it was done by a particular organization that exists, uh, in, in, uh, in Springfield, um, and they were just a little bit sloppy about it. So that's all coming up. It's all coming out in the book.

Kat, awesome. So it's the, the Haitians of Springfield. Um, a lot of people are excited to get this book, I'm seeing in the chat. Um, also on— I don't— do you know Brandon Darby, Joshua?

Uh, the name is familiar.

Okay, well, he's going to come on on Thursday, which is just like another fitting guest to have this week with this story. You know, when you import these disasters, you know, you import a disaster, you get the disaster here. And, um, so just why are they still here? Um, and like, why aren't they out? Why aren't we getting them out? And, you know, we know they're there, they're wreaking havoc. And then this is also obviously making everybody think of the Somalian community in Minnesota and their frauds. So it seems like— and I know there's other ones and I can't think of them right now.

Maybe Columbus, which is just east of, east of Springfield, like on Interstate 70, you know. So where I live, you know, Dayton is like 70 and 75. The next city to the east is Springfield. Next city after that is, um, is Columbus. And I spoke with Sheriff Plummer, who— his district is Montgomery County, again, just west of Springfield. And, you know, when he was the sheriff, he was able to decrease the size of and the influence of foreign— basically the mob and the cartels in the Dayton, Ohio area. He was pilloried in local media as like an authoritarian sheriff You know, who is overly punishing. But of course, the reality on the ground is there's overdoses happening left and right. Dayton led the nation per capita in opioid deaths, and so the crackdown was necessary. Kind of a, a proto-Bukele, Nayib Bukele of El Salvador type situation. I would, I would liken Sheriff Plummer's, um, uh, let's say, uh, time in office to that. And he's able to whittle down the cartel's influence to just 3. Well, he's no longer the sheriff, and there's now 9. Active in Montgomery County. Someone else that I spoke with who believes that they're involved in the Haitian community in Springfield as well. There was an investigator that I was speaking with who shared some things with me, but he didn't want to go any further in investigating any of those connections in Springfield. He's like, he's like, I don't want my head to be cut off with a pocket knife. Joshua, do you know about the cartels and what they do? Like, I would rather not. So kind of, you're on your own.

Oh my God.

As bad as you can imagine it is, it's worse. I'm thinking about that meme, if only you knew how bad things really are. And again, this was all relatively easy to find. To this day, I get once a day, someone sends me 2, 3, 4, sometimes this one lady sent me over 50 photos the other day about all the photos that she and her friends have taken of Haitians flipping cars. They call them the Haitian stunt drivers. Apparently what they do is, in America, right, it's like our right foot when we drive to go back and forth between the accelerator and the brake. Well, apparently the Haitians have their left foot on the brake and right foot on the accelerator, which we don't do that in America. And the result is flipped cars. And of course, on the COVID of the book, Haitians in Springfield, is one of these quasi-flipped cars that someone was parking in a parking lot. And this fellow witness, he sent me the photo and gave us permission to use it on the COVID And there's two Haitians standing outside looking rather confused as to how this ended up. One of the most bizarre stories that I think is, let's say, demonstrative of the clash between, let's say, government, Haitian, and resident heritage citizen is this fellow sent me a picture. By the way, it got community noted. People said I was lying on X. It got community noted. So the story went like this. This fellow, this homeowner, hears an explosion about 3 AM. He goes outside. He sees that a Haitian has crashed into— a Haitian went airborne, blew through his fence, bounced off the yard of his backyard, left ghastly tire marks, and exploded the car into his garage where his pets were. And he killed all of his pets but one. All of them but one. He said there was little animal splatter everywhere.

Oh, Joshua.

And then the Haitian gets out, it gets worse. And he goes, Haitian gets out.

God.

And tries to run away. Literally like takes off running. And it's like, what are you doing? So the homeowner dials the police, chases after the Haitian, and the police show up. And the police assume because of that anti-white racism I told you about, that attitude because of the classism, The police sic themselves on the white homeowner, assuming that, oh, oh, oh, he has to be the guilty one in this. And then they treat the Haitian like he is the victim in this scenario. And so it's adding injury to injury. Eventually the police call in the, uh, the, the Clark County Sheriff. Uh, the Clark County Sheriff comes, they administer the breathalyzer test of the Haitian. Turns out the Haitian was, it was, it was a drunk driver here in this scenario. There's a lot of that over town. There's also a lot of like pop-up illegal nightclubs where Haitians just show up, you know, with ice chests just selling beer and alcohol for cash, cash money.

What planet are we on? Like, I— somebody help bring me back to reality. Like, what the hell is going on in this country that— I mean, if I was speeding, I'm gonna get a freaking ticket. Like, what is happening? Make it make sense.

Here's the issue, here's the issue, Erica. So if you have TPS, but I believe it's if you, if you get It's either like 2 or 3 misdemeanors, you lose TPS and you have to get deported. So what I discovered is it seems to be policy now from the top, and I talk about this in the book, that if you as the police pull over the Haitian for no license, no insurance, fender bender, fleeing the scene of the accident, any of these traffic infractions that might result in a misdemeanor DUI, OVI, all of the above, do not write them up. Don't, you know, don't take the report. Don't write them up because we need them in the city and we need them in the city. And so Heritage residents are absolutely pissed because, you know, I got rear-ended by a Haitian, smelled of alcohol, no driver's license, no proof of insurance. Didn't speak English. The police showed up and let him go. And now I'm responsible for paying for the repairs to my vehicle. Either I can't afford them or my insurance is now going to go up because I have to make a claim. It's just— if only you knew how bad things really are.

And why hasn't everyone in city leadership been replaced by now?

Well, they are what you— as far as I can tell, they're what you might call rhinos, you know, Republicans in name only. You've heard that before. They're, they seem to be elitist. I'll put it that way. And in terms of, you know, we're the educated, cosmopolitan, open-minded, immigrant-friendly people, welcoming people, and you are the backwards, racist, bigoted Trump supporters, you know, who wear tennis shoes, jeans, hoodies, and ball caps, and we're in three-piece suits. And you actually see that class divide. It's obvious whenever you go around town and you witness this. City commission meetings are a real hoot because the residents get up there and it's like from 1984, what is it like the 5 minutes of hate or 15 minutes of hate or 2 minutes of hate or whatever it's called, right? Where the heritage residents just get up there and just lay into the city commission. And they're up there, you know, mayor and the city commissioners, you know, just like staring at their phones or whatever, just goofing off and, you know, not like not really paying attention. And it's like, thank you for your remarks, uh, up next. And then they allow the next person. It's like, no, no, they don't care. Nothing.

No, it's so, it's so obnoxious. It's so rude and dismissive what they do in those meetings.

Uh, yes, yes.

So what everyone's like, just like, why vote for these people? You know, California is starting to look better and better. It's not. You're just, you know, nervous. Um, But I just, I don't— so, and someone else said you should give a signed copy to Mark Wayne Mullin and, oh my God, what's her name? Harmeet Dhillon. Love her. But I don't understand. So we basically are— can say that the police in this area are like the police in Mexico, like they work with the cartel. Like, they're— I mean, if you're a police officer and you're not upholding the law, isn't that a problem?

Some of the remarks that I heard from, uh, the former sheriff, Deborah Chet, or her name, that those are all going in the book. Again, it's— this is, this is the interesting thing about it, is it's, is it's, it's not explicitly overly conspiratorial as far as I can, as far as I can tell. It's almost like the zeitgeist is we like the Haitians, and that is a threat, if you know what I mean, where it's like, well, I can't say that because then I'll get shamed by all of my coworkers and I'll get written up by HR. So I say nothing, or I can't produce that I wrote up this report because then I'll be shamed and I might lose my job.

So wait, Joshua, this is where we have to bring in Gad Saad's book, Suicidal Empathy, because we're We're going hard on this book in the school. And that's exactly what that is, you guys. I know you recognize it right now because we talk about it so much, but that having fear of being shamed or being called a name is how we end up in situations like this. And, you know, might you lose your job? Maybe. But what's, you know, like, what's worse in the short term? You know, you You want to stand up and do something. You want to be useful. You want to make a difference. You want to save your country, but you don't want to be a Marine. This is how you do it. Don't give a shit about the names people call you. It doesn't matter. It's just a fricking name, you know? But what's in your heart and what are you saying and why are you saying it, you know, is for the benefit of your community and the future for your children and your grandchildren and the country. At large. Um, I can't deal with this suicidal empathy anymore. I can't stand it anymore. We, you know, we've just been so quiet watching, you know, watching Somalia in Minnesota and watching those, um, politicians that are in on it. No, like, who— like, call it out. Like, am I racist for wanting every Somalian out of here? I don't know. I don't care. I want every one of them out of here. I want every freaking illegal Haitian the hell out of here.

Well, here's the issue. Here's the issue, Erica. Yeah. So the reason that the— so the TPS was supposed to expire thanks to Trump in February of this past year, January, February of this year, 2026. Well, the Biden-appointed judiciary across the country, they said basically their argument for staying the TPS revoking and keeping it in place went something like this. Secretary Kristi Noem, when she was Department of Homeland Security secretary, She put in the expiration as soon as she legally could, demonstrating an anti-immigration, specifically an anti-non-white immigration bias. Therefore, due to the racial element, and this is a subtext, Nome is white, the Haitians are black. Oh, you're just racist. So the Haitians have to stay because you're racist. That is explicit from the Biden-appointed judiciary. I don't know what else to say. And by the way, these judges, I believe there is— there's an Asian, a Latina, and an African American. The judges, none of them are white. So the, the racialized aspect of this is obvious and is not going away. And that's how the Heritage residents and citizens that I spoke with feel. Is like they're here because— and they stay here and they get away with these things because they're, they're not white. And this is what's interesting. The, the, the, the— are pilloried for being racist and bigoted and whatnot. But there are as many— there are as many 8,000 Hispanics in Clark County, and they get along really well. People I spoke with, like Republican organizers, vocal local activists, I would follow them around town and go around with them, and they would say, Oh yeah, our neighbors are from El Salvador. They're great. You know, they gave my kid a, they gave my kid a puppy. You know, people across the street, our kids play together, teaching them some English. And it's like, we, we get along with Hispanics from Mexico, from Honduras, from Nicaragua, from El Salvador, because our cultures are similar. And, and they show up and they want to participate in our community. And we go eat at their restaurants and they hang out, we hang out in the backyard, you know, and they, there is, there's a sense of acculturation that happens. And I noticed this myself also in parts of Montgomery County and Greene County where I have lived. And the Haitian culture is uniquely different. So the practice and the cats are eating the local wildlife. As far as we— and this is why that story was debunked. Oh, the Haitians are not abducting— get it? Like, spell it like duck. They're not abducting local wildlife and pets, like, to eat them. That's not happening. But no one ever said they were. No one I spoke with ever alleged the following, that they're actually eating cats or eating dogs. That was the kind of a memeplex that was created from the story. And again, I believe because of the autocorrect I think happened somewhere in the telephone game chain all the way up into the Trump campaign. No one ever said anything about dogs, it was always ducks. Well, the story was, and I, I believe that it's due to practice of the voodoo religion and the animal sacrifices that they regularly do. Animal sacrifice is very much a common practice in Haiti and within that culture, within the religious. You know, there's an old saying that the Dominicans have who I interviewed, by the way. What are Haitians actually like in their culture? Why don't you talk to their next-door neighbor on Española, the Dominicans? No one ever had as part of this story. So I did. And they have a saying, the Dominicans, that their Haitian neighbors are 50% Protestant, 50% Catholic, 100% voodoo. And that's what seems to be the case, is that the animal abductions and killings occurring were for the practice of voodoo. Now, typically it's killing goats as part of the religion, goats or chickens. But if goats or chickens are not available to sacrifice it to various voodoo spirits because they believe they have to, as part of the religious practice, their spirits and whatnot require blood sacrifice. It's like, what, guys, it's 2026. What are we doing here? So some of these spirits, they will allow other animals to be used. The impetus for me to do this book was back in January, I spoke with a Springfield landlord who had previously rented to Haitians and I mentioned the large numbers of Haitians, usually all single men living in a single house. This one single-family home to a family, a small family of Haitians. Well, it turns out they then sublet to a total of 15. So 15 Haitians living in the house and he has to evict them because for some reason their living environment was stripping everything down to the studs. I hear stories of removing toilets and they just go in, you know, just going like to the hole in the ground, like remove the toilet. And some of these, some of these houses, I was shown pictures and I got to see one of these places and it looks like a zombie apocalypse happened 20 years ago. Like all the countertops are gone, all shelving, all doors are gone. Like, and when did they move out? Last week. Did it like take everything? With them. Imagine everything is gone and there's holes in the walls and holes in the ceiling. You can see from the first floor up to the second floor. Like, what, what are we doing here, guys? What's happening?

What the hell?

Any case, this particular house, he believed that they were basically breeding mice. He said that there were approximately 100 mice kept in containers all around the house. As if they were intentionally, intentionally raising and growing and breeding mice, probably not to eat. But he suspected possibly it was a voodoo practice that was there. There have been dead, dead pigs, dead cats, dead ducks, dead geese. There is a video that a fellow named Taylor Hanson was sent, and we found the apartment, found the people that were interviewed that originally took it. So the official story is you see on camera is Black gentleman in athletic wear with a machete butchering an animal in the front yard of this apartment complex.

Okay.

He's hacking away at it. The community note on it is that this is like a racist debunked hoax or something like that. Well, it turns out it's a Haitian butchering a pig in the front yard of a car— of an apartment complex. That's literally what it shows. And that's actually what happened there. And yet if you look it up, it's officially debunked. I think there's even a Snopes article about this. Oh, it's this— it's a racist hoax. And it's there on the video. How many more racist hoax? This is what I say. It was easy. I talked to the person who posted the video. Where did he get it from? Who was it? Oh wow, interesting.

Were any—

was anyone else interviewed? Yes, they were. Here it is on the video. This is like, what are we doing here, guys? It's so easy to show all of this. And you just sit in any Springfield restaurant and you'll start hearing someone talk about what they— what they saw today. Oh, yeah. Haitian, you know, blew through the fence in my front yard. You know, that metal fence, that iron fence has been there since 1900. It survived 126 years, survived all the world wars. It survived every recession, every depression. It did not survive the Haitian influx. And I heard that specific phrase. We survived this, we survived this, we survived this. We could not survive the Haitian influx. And again, there's no reason to impugn the motives of the Haitians. They were promised the American dream. The TPS, the Temporary Protected Status, kind of meant you can be here for a little while and work. Wasn't necessarily a thing where you're going to, like, assimilate and live here and learn the language and all these things because it's like, oh, it's temporary. Maybe while things stabilize in Haiti or in your home country, the Biden administration, you know, 4-year-long type deal. So why would you put down roots and integrate into the local community if you're probably going to leave? Maybe you will, maybe you won't, who knows? There was a sense of, well, temporary stay here. So imagine you're staying in a hotel in another country. Are you going to learn the language, meet all the locals, start putting down roots? Even if it's for an extended stay like a vacation? Not really, not really. But you'll continue to live your life as an American, kind of doing your thing. You're not immediately going to adopt the norms, values, and customs of the country in which you're staying on vacation. That's probably not really a thing. But it's a bit of a mess. Many of the even Republicans and conservatives I interviewed are rather upset with the Trump administration. They feel like they've been forgotten. It's just, it's, it's a rather sad story. And I did the other thing that no one else had done that day. That little wiry fellow from Politico, he asked me what I think should be done with the Haitians, which I should— what I think the outcome should be. All this. What's the solution? And I said, well, I don't live here. Why don't we— why don't you ask the locals? What do the locals want? And if you look up, there has never been a professional or academic poll of registered voters of Springfield, Ohio, or Clark County. So you know what I did? I commissioned and paid for the first one.

Good.

And I believe the reason it had not been done is they knew what they were going to hear. And that's exactly what we did. Now, it should be pointed out that business leaders, community leaders, Haitian leaders, very important. And of course, your elected officials, everybody, they continually have said since like 2023, there was a, there was a child that was killed by a Haitian driver. A bus was turned over. I interviewed a bus driver. I interviewed eyewitnesses to this, this, this awful, awful scenario. And by the way, I'll come back to the poll in a moment. But the father of the boy who was killed when the, when the Haitian crashed into the bus and flipped the bus over and multiple children were severely injured, including lifelong disfigurations of these children. The father of that child said something to the effect of, I wish my son had been killed by a white man. And I'm thinking, I wish his son had not been killed at all. That's the extent to which the suicidal empathy is present on in Springfield amongst the people. That said, coming back to the poll, all the local leaders will say it's only a slim vocal minority. It's a tiny minority that is negative about Springfield. Oh, it's a tiny minority. We love our Haitian neighbors. They use that phrase a lot. It's a co-opted Christian idea, love your neighbor as yourself. So because these people are master persuaders, Scott Adams lesson now enters. They use words that people feel good about already, and they kind of take that emotion and then put it on the other thing. It's like a state transfer. Love your neighbor as yourself. Haitians are your neighbors. Our Haitian neighbors. We love our Haitian neighbors. And guess what? Around the time TPS was supposed to expire, they had a pro-Haitian rally. Guess what it was called? Love Thy Neighbor. Mm-hmm. So they continue to say we love our Haitian neighbors. It's only a small, vocal, racist, bigoted minority. It's absolutely not. It's absolutely not. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but approximately two-thirds of registered voters of Springfield we polled want all Haitians deported.

Of course they do. Of course they do, you guys. All right, Joshua, we got a number of other questions we asked, like what have you experience with the population in general?

What's your opinion of the, of the Haitians, like, as a community? What about your own personal individual experiences? What are the different suggestions that have happened that you would like to see, you know, occur? What's the, what's the one solution you believe is best? And approximately two-thirds say no more TPS status and get them out of here. And that's an overwhelming majority. And also an overwhelming majority had either somewhat negative or very negative experience overall. But of course, it was, it was still— so it's like 80% of registered Democrats approve of the Haitian influx and approximately 70% of registered Republicans do not approve of the, of the influx. It was a bit like that. Now, when you break it down by, by, by, by race, race is an unavoidable topic here, obviously. A majority of African-American or Black residents of Springfield approve of the Haitian influx. A majority of whites obviously do not. But get this, even more negative on the Haitian influx than the white voters were, were the Hispanic, Asian, and Jewish respondents, even more so. Negative than the whites, interestingly enough. Someone in the comments describes it not suicidal empathy, but a homicidal sympathy. This is what's interesting is I don't— I think there's two things happening with Gad Saad's suicidal empathy here. Mike Cernovich pointed this out yesterday. Do they actually have empathy? If you speak to your local NPR American family member, friend, ex-friend more like, don't forget the hyphen there in NPR American. An NPR American is someone who believes the elite news sources like the New York Times, NPR, any of the left-wing blogs that are quoted therein by NPR and New York Times, any person who comes on as a commentator for any of these shows. Do they actually have empathy That is not demonstrated. I think in many cases it's a projection where it's something like what we witness with the TPS. Why is TPS still in place? It's something like that. You are my political enemy. You Trump supporters, you Trump voters, you Trump administration, you're my political enemies and you have a hard time with the Haitian influx. Well, I hate you. Therefore, we need to have more Haitians. We need to keep Haitians present because of how much I hate— you don't like them and I don't like you, so I love Haitians now. It does seem to be something like that. The enemy of my enemy is my friend type of scenario where it's not based on a love actually or a sympathy. Because think about it, if you actually sympathized with the Haitians, what would you be doing? Well, you would be helping them go through the legal process to be permanent resident legally and not try to keep them in this vulnerable TPS place, you would actually be helping them. And I did, by the way, meet several conservative Republican Trump voters who had been doing that with their local Haitian neighbors, very much opposed to the overall influx, but having like Haitian friends, Haitian neighbors who they met who immediately they wanted to learn the language, they wanted to assimilate, they want to dress American, speak American, talk American, and become a local. Now, that's apparently— that's not the vast majority from what I understand, but there were a few individuals who wanted to be American and fully American, not even have a dual citizenship thing, but no longer be Haitian, be an American, and wanted to live like it. And those— and some of those people, they, they voluntarily deported back to a different country so that they could re— they could actually reapply for a status that gets them here legally and safely. But it otherwise seems like the, the majority of the, of, of the Haitian immigrant influx that's in, um, that's in Springfield and their so-called advocates are kind of trying to keep as many there as possible in a legal limbo, which makes them remain vulnerable. And now there's this strange dynamic where the, the, all the Haitian children who are born, their power of attorney is being set up as local NGOs. So local NGOs having power of attorney over the Haitian children with kind of the strategy being the Haitian children born in Clark County, Springfield remain living here in case when TPS status is, is, uh, if it does need to expire or what have you, uh, the Haitian parents leave, the Haitian kids stay here under the NGO administrative complex as the kids of this. The Clark County Health Commissioner at a December meeting that someone sent me a recording of, he said that the Haitian children there, they're our children, they're our future. He said there is a minority health fair, the Clark County Minority Health Fair I went to in the research of this. Of course, minority means what? Like it means like Latino, Asian, South Asian, Indian, Black, what have you, Haitian. So I'm walking through the halls of the Minority Health Fair of Clark County this past— I think it was March or April. I'm working on the book, you know, and there's like every, you know, everything is in Haitian Creole and also English. There's some stuff that's in, in, um, uh, English. I'm walking the halls, you know, Minority Health Fair, again, very important. And I'm kind of looking around, you know, and I see they have the honor rolls of this school. On the walls. It's hosted at a school. I see the honor rolls and I'm looking at the honor rolls. Okay. I have like 15 students here on this one, and this one, this one picture of all the students on the honor roll. And I just, I notice, I do a little noticing, Owen and Erica, I do a little noticing. And I notice that I notice of the 15 honor roll students, Only 4 of them are white. I noticed on the next, the next honor roll, the next grade over, 17 students. Uh, hmm, 12 of them are not white, only 5 of them are white. I go to the next one, there's 10, only 1 of them is white. Minority Health Fair. Oh, that's what that means. Mm-hmm.

Yep.

At that moment, a— one of the only white families at the entire event walks past me, and I realized, oh yeah, that's going in the book. That's going in the book.

Yeah.

More than once, a local resident told me, we are being replaced. This is population replacement. The intelligentsia, the elite of Springfield, the cosmopolitan educated liberals, they don't like us. They said we're the working class, we're the salt of the earth people. They don't like us. They don't want us. They want us gone.

Joshua, with that thought, because that to me is what we all see happening. You know, if you're really paying attention, we've all heard about this whole replacement theory. Um, would you come back and talk to us about that? Um, because yeah, we see it. Um, this has been so amazing. Everybody's just like riveted. I mean, I asked Joshua one question and then I just got to sit back, which was amazing. And I mean, we could go on and on. I always promise one hour unless we, you know, say ahead of time, you guys, um, fascinating. It's The Haitians of Springfield. It's not out yet, but it's going to be out in October, you said?

October 6th. Yes, it's available on Amazon now for pre-order in the hardcover edition.

Pre-order it, you guys. Um, so Joshua, can you come back sooner than later? Because I think it's good to keep a flow going with this. And maybe we can nail you down next week, one day. No pressure. You don't have to answer me now, but that would be great, um, because I don't want to forget the momentum and where we left off. And Everybody really, really is thoroughly enjoying this conversation. It's great. I just, I think it helps us become aware of what's happening around us. And so we don't become victims of what they are trying to do to us. Very interesting. Joshua, thank you so, so much. I can't wait to get the book. You guys, listen, let's do a A thank you to Joshua for coming, and we'll have Brandon Darby on on Thursday, who's also, uh, he worked, uh, for Breitbart, and he, he's— I'll give you more of his story later, but he's very interesting and has a ton to say about what happens when you import the third world. Uh, so this will be an interesting week for this kind of a topic. So You guys, um, and the animals, you guys, let's pray for all the animals after this conversation today. Um, all right, you guys, let's have a thank you to Scott Adams and Shelley Adams for allowing this show to go on. Owen, thank you so much for being here too with everybody. Um, Marcella returns tomorrow. Maybe she'll give us some soccer updates and scores. And you guys, let's be useful. I'm gonna play out with a song, but Joshua Adams and, um, Owen, if you have to go, feel free to jump off. Okay guys, let's have a closing sip to our beloved Scott Adams. To Scott.

To Scott.

Let's hear the Basket Case. Thanks, Joshua.

Thank you.

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