The Scott Adams School - 06/26/26 TAKE TWO! Brandon Darby Joins The Home Team, FOR REAL

Good morning, good morning! We are live and Brandon Darby is in the house. Look, Owen and I got dressed for the occasion. We're all matching. I didn't get the memo, so good morning everyone. We'll give you a chance to come in and get settled down and I'll get locals on. Good morning YouTube and Rumble, Spotify and X, and our beloved local subscribers. Owen and Marcela, are you guys ready for Brandon? We were so psyched yesterday, but we had extra time today to get all jacked up for Brandon's visit here.

I am.

I'm ready. Let's go.

All right, good. All right, so you guys, we have to do one thing first, and then we're going to get right into it with Brandon. Here we go.

I was going to skip the simultaneous sip, but I can tell you need it. You do. You need it. Uh, I don't have any coffee with me, so we will be substituting the delicious aqua. Aqua is some other language for water. Latin? I don't know. Doesn't matter, does it? Well, if you'd like to join me for the simultaneous sip, really the second one of the day, this one's the bonus one. This is just, you know, almost too much. All you need is a cup or a mug, glass, a tank or chalice, a canteen, jug or flask, a vessel of any kind. Fill it with your favorite liquid. I'm liking water at the moment. And join me now for the unparalleled pleasure of the dopamine hit of the day. The— actually, the second dopamine hit of the day. The thing that's going to make everything a little bit better still. It's a simultaneous sip. Go.

Ah, delightful. And some of you may be having water. So welcome everybody. My name is Erica. You're at the Scott Adams School. Um, Marcella and Owen and I are so happy to welcome our guest professor of the day. I didn't tell you you were a professor, did I, Brandon? It's Brandon Darby. Hi, Brandon, how you doing?

That's doing great, just hanging out in Texas drinking coffee, right?

I mean, drinking coffee and maybe vaping, we don't know. Um, so Brandon, we— some of us first met Brandon, oh my God, it had to be like 7, 8 years ago, I would say. Uh, Scott Adams had Brandon on, and I was just like interested in listening to you. Like, I never forgot you. We actually followed each other on Twitter back then, like right after that. And, um, we've had— we've actually had some exchanges and DM messages back in the day. But what I loved was— all right, so first of all, you work for Breitbart. Your, um, your expertise is the border, the cartel. Um, I hope I'm getting that right. There's so— I mean, there's so much to you. You're so multifaceted. But I loved the way you explained to us about this flooding over the border of illegal immigration and the problems that it brings to our country. And now you fast forward in hyper speed and that accelerated to the max and all over the world, and our problems are way bigger than they ever were back then. And so I thought, oh my God, this would be amazing to have you on to talk about these things. So could you give our sippers a little background of who you are and How we got here. No, I know it's big, you guys. You don't have to go full force. Just whatever you want.

Wow. Goodness gracious. So I guess for the purposes of what we're talking about today, you know, I was hired by Andrew Breitbart in 2009, I believe. And that was a crazy situation, a crazy time in my life. I had worked. Let's see, how do I say this? I was a pretty radical and active organizer on the left, right? At the time, I guess I would be considered that. And I, you know, long story short, through years of stuff and years of relationships, I started to realize some of the people I was dealing with were actually doing some really bad things. So long story short, I turned some people into the FBI because of violence they were planning. And one thing led to another. I spent the next however long, you know, couple of years working undercover with the FBI. And, you know, when my name came out in a high-profile trial related to the 2008 Republican National Convention, There were, you know, groups of people on the left who had planned to shut it down by any means necessary. And they tried to actually do that by any means necessary, made bombs and stuff. So the FBI raided a bunch of people and, you know, a couple of the cases, one of them in particular, everyone took plea deals except for one guy. And they were like, hey, we have to drop the charges on this guy. And I said, don't drop the charges on that guy. And they're like, yeah, but if we don't, your name's gonna come out. And I thought about it for a while and I said, well, that's okay, I'm okay with it. So anyways, that's basically what happened. And rather than the media focusing on the fact that like the far left spot bomb plots or whatever, you know, the story became that, you know, left of center activists feel, peace activists feel betrayed by their government spying on them. And I was kind of right in the center of that. I was just kind of fodder, you know, like obviously I wasn't a decision maker, but I kind of came at the end of the Bush years and, you know, the war on terror stuff that people, some people were pretty upset about. And I just kind of found myself in a dinghy between two large ships, you know? And the New York Times led the charge and it just became a big issue. And I think it was pretty unfair the way that media treated me and my situation. And at the time I had no way to fight back, right? Like the only defense I had was giving a quote to the people who were attacking me and hoping they quoted me, right?

Right.

Which they of course didn't. So I got a call from Andrew Breitbart and he, long story behind that, a cool story. But he said, "Why don't you fight back?" And I said, "I do. They don't print what I say, Andrew." And he said, "Well, I'm starting a website and the whole point is to stick up for people like you. The media is doing wrong and I want you to fight back." And I said, "Andrew, I've done some cool stuff in my life, man, but I have a GED. I didn't finish school. I did go to college. I'm a concrete worker and an activist." I have no ability to write. I get confused between there and their.

Oh, I'm not the only one, thank God.

He said, it doesn't matter. I have editors. You'll learn how to write. He said, but I want you to work with me. So I did. And that's how that all started. That kind of led to— for a couple of years, I focused on the left and the institutional left and the radical groups within the left and the people in mainstream media and mainstream liberal politics who were, I thought, providing air cover for the more radical left components of their movement. And then I got to a place where I really didn't want to do that any longer. And at the time I was running a shelter for human trafficking victims, right? And one that Andrew helped to fund, by the way, people don't realize that. And a lot of the people who were in there were people who had come to the US illegally, right? From Mexico or South Central America. But in the process of that journey, they went to the wrong groups. So those groups exploited them. If they were an attractive female, the groups kept them. Sexually exploited them for money, or if they were sometimes just workers and the groups would keep them as, you know, really no other way to say it other than slave labor, right? So people who were able to escape that, you know, then they have to testify against people, right? And so I would keep them safe for a little while until the US government got their act together and could provide funding for the witnesses, right? And in the process of that, I started realizing that everyone the government was going after were these like low-level people involved in the human trafficking. And I was like, but what about these guys in Mexico? You know, like, they, uh, that guy headed this, he keeps getting implicated in all of these cases, right? And we're going after all of the underlings. Why don't we go after that guy? And they're like, well, we can't go after that guy. What do you mean you can't go after that guy? And they're like, That guy's very connected in Mexico. He's a cartel boss. He's this. And I'm like, what do you mean we can't go after that guy? And that bothered me. So I started looking into exactly— because my whole life, right, I've been an organizer, an activist. And that's what I do, right, is I look at a situation that seems insurmountable where I feel people are being done wrong, and I find a clever way even if it rocks the boat, hopefully it does rock the boat, to hold those people accountable. And so I decided to go after those guys. And I decided that enough people already wanted to kill me and were mad at me for things I had done. There were enough Palestinian groups who were mad at me because I spied on them where they were funding suicide bombings, right? There were enough radical groups of every stripe who were mad at me. And I was like, what does it really matter if like some other guys might want to kill me, right? I have to live that way anyways. So I just, I went after them. The way I did it was through media and through media attention, right? And to the way Breitbart did it was to look for fledgling candidates or people who wanted to run for office and they didn't really have a lot of core issues. It was to suggest that the border and cartels become core issues to that candidate, right? And we could educate that candidate and his network, his or her network, on the issues and make that an issue for them in campaigning. And, well, here we are today, right? So that's what we did. The details of how we did that and how we developed writing programs in Mexico to bring attention to cartels, how we navigated that, I guess we'll get into today. But the gist of it is, is we simply we simply put our heads together and found a way to hold cartels accountable, you know, to actually go after those people who were at the leadership of the center of these awful things that were happening in our country.

To Peter, was this part where you were advising candidates about cartel issues? Is that before or after Trump went into office?

It was before. So it was before. So the Trump thing is interesting because I think Trump's— and it's not that Trump doesn't legitimately care about the border, he obviously does, right? I mean, whether you like him or dislike him, the guy cares about the issue. His network cares about the issue, specifically Stephen Miller cares about the issue. But I can say that I think at the time, You know, Breitbart was, you know, Andrew had passed away. Breitbart was headed by Steve Bannon, and Steve Bannon and Trump were talking long before Trump ran for office, right? And I think it was Bannon who really pushed the border as his key issue. And, you know, again, I'm not really that political as a person. I actually can't stand it. When I get invited to a governor's ball, I send a staff member. I don't go. I just don't like to participate. I don't like the things that you have to do to participate in politics, right? I don't like them. And people can argue that. They're like, what are you talking about? We all know what I'm talking about. I don't like the things you have to do. And so I generally avoid that. But having a candidate who cared about the issue, the whole cartel thing was interesting because At the time, I was, you know, I felt like what I had went through, having worked undercover with FBI and testified, I felt like Border Patrol agents were being treated the same way I was treated by media, right? They had no voice. And there was an organization called the National Border Patrol Council, which was the union that represents Border Patrol agents. And I decided that we would just give them a voice, you know, to counteract what, you know, give them a voice in a space where they didn't have one. And so during 2000, I guess it was '14 or '15, they were really intensely behind, you know, they liked John McCain and they liked Ted Cruz, right? And so What happened was they ended up endorsing Donald Trump when it was just Trump and Cruz left. And I think that's what really pushed Trump over the edge, right? Maybe he would have won that primary anyways, but I think that played a part. And so a very significant moment was, you know, I'm trying to not get into too much of how the sausage was made, but I want to walk a line here, but I don't want to get into personal conversations, but the gist of it was, is that, you know, if Trump promised to give Border Patrol agents through the National Border Patrol Council direct access to the president so that they could circumvent all of the political filters, the bureaucratic filters that happened going up through the agencies, right? So the agents on the ground would have direct access to him. And if he would commit to that openly, and commit that his administration would go to war against Mexican cartels, then the National Border Patrol Council would endorse him. And I guess now infamous interview co-hosted with Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller came on. We had talked beforehand and he, he committed to all of that for the Trump administration and And shortly thereafter, the National Border Patrol Council endorsed him, took the wind out of Ted Cruz's sails and put that wind into Donald Trump's sails. And Trump ultimately has kept his promises when it comes to that, for sure. For sure. Again, regardless of how people feel about him, I recognize there are a billion issues and we could raise all kinds of things about any politician or political leader. But, but as a person who has dedicated so much of his life to trying to get Americans to care about border issues and trying to do something about it, trying to bring a voice to Border Patrol agents and trying to go after Mexican cartels, I can tell you that I'm pretty happy with that aspect of the Trump presidency. You know?

Oh, yeah. No, I— this was a big issue for Scott, too, because, you know, we all were fighting the battle, uh, and still are about, you know, fentanyl coming from China and then coming through the border through Mexico. And I don't know if you know, but Scott's stepson had, uh, died from a fentanyl overdose some time ago. And so this became personal for a lot of us because we all wanted to fight against it. And I just don't think people really realize, you know, I, I mean, I do think a lot of the people— and I, and again, like, I know you don't want to be political, so I'm just speaking like—

I don't mind being political. I just I don't like to be involved in political circles, but I'll have plenty of thoughts and opinions.

Okay, so I, you know, I feel like the people on the, on the left in particular that, you know, are just like, let them all come in, you know, I'm like, I don't, I don't think they really get it. I think, I don't know that they are just honest brokers and they're thinking like, oh, these are just good, well-intentioned people. And I'm just, you know, how do we not have a whole society that understands about the trafficking and the cartels, the sex trafficking, the slave labor, you know, that there's cartel all over our country now, um, that the cartel rules Mexico, that the president of Mexico is beholden to the cartel, you know. And it's just— and, and then forget about all the other countries that were also importing, you know, like with Haiti now and Somalia and, and China and everything else. So I, I don't know, do you think that these people that are in the streets like, God bless, let everybody over, are just really that ignorant?

Um, you know, I think the vast majority of human beings are well-intentioned, right? That's what I think. I think that, you know, circa 2009, circa 2010, 2011, Um, if you had asked most people on the right, they would say, I'm not against immigration, I'm just against illegal immigration, right? And even Andrew famously said, I wish everybody wanted to come here could come here, they just have to do it legally, right? I wish there were ways for them to do it legally. Well, that's where we— a lot of people were. Well, it turns out when you really follow that logic down, if you focus on it That's— that in itself is problematic. Okay. Um, but we didn't know that, right? We just were worried about our nation's laws. We were worried about people just disregarding our nation's laws. And, uh, and the idea that, like, people want a better life. Yeah, sure, we want to— we want them to have a better life if they want to come here and work for it. You know, that idea is— it's like a You know, how many of you remember being like 20 years old and you're sitting in some coffee shop, right? Maybe you smoked a bong rip or a pipe or something. I don't know, maybe not. And then you went back inside and y'all sat there all night talking about how you would achieve world peace and if the world leaders would all just get together, you know, maybe smoke what we just smoked, like, and just eat a meal and break bread and talk, we could resolve that, you know, that kind of thinking, this idealistic, uninformed thinking, right? I think plenty of people on the right, myself included, had that at one point, and we had the best of intentions. And, uh, but when you really put the pedal to the metal, right, you say, okay, clearly we cannot allow every person in this world, especially ones who want to kill us, especially ones who don't believe in freedom of speech, right, especially ones who want to I mean, what if, what if you took a country where 70% of the male population believes in female genital mutilation and then you just immediately moved them over here, let them move here to one small state, to Rhode Island, right? Like all of a sudden they start to influence the politics and the policies of Rhode Island, right? Because there's such a large number of people who have come at once. You cannot have that. Okay, it can't— it just can't happen if something's incongruent. But you don't think that at the time, right? At the time, when you, you didn't think that far ahead. And I think that's what most people on the left, the average liberal, the average person, that's what they think. They're in that mindset. Do I think that the leadership on the left, that the strategists are well-intentioned? No, right? Not at all. They, they realize— they're like, hey, if if we import billions upon billions of people a year into these red states who are going to be dependent on government subsidies, they're going to vote for— ultimately, we're going to get them to be voters and they're going to vote for us. I think they absolutely know that. But I think the average person on the left is just an issue of not having thought something out or they're just uninformed.

And this is why voter ID just cannot get passed according to the left because it ruins their plan. But their plan is ruined anyway because these people are ruining our country and everybody's being affected by it and can see it. And, you know, we had our friend Joshua Lysak on the other day, and he just wrote a book. It'll be out in October called The Haitians of Springfield, and it's the whole story about all these Haitians and what they're— what's happening in this little small area. And, um, They don't want to assimilate, you know, they want to just— and you're the one that first made me aware of this back in the day— they don't want to assimilate. They want to live their culture and their way of life here, and they don't care what happens here. So I think, um, you know, that's another big problem. And, you know, which I'll launch myself right into the whole stuff with Islam happening here. Um, that's my biggest hot button issue, and it has been for a long time, is like this Islamic takeover of our country. Um, so could you talk more about that? What happens when these other cultures come pouring in here with no desire to assimilate, play by the rules, the laws, or anything?

Well, okay, so we get into a situation, I think, where— or the situations where You know, like I said, we could, we could be that young 20-year-old poking bar grips, talking about philosophy at a 24-hour coffee shop, right? Or whatever, um, being idealistic. Uh, but, but we have reality that as we get older, we learn that there are realities we have to operate within and we have to recognize, you know. So what I'll tell you is this, you know, I have several friends who are Muslims. And for the most part, there's this one woman I know who's a lovely person, and she was a DACA recipient, okay? She was a DACA recipient from Pakistan, and she spoke on a panel at Texas Tech. And what they do is, these places, what they do is they they bring someone like me in from Breitbart, and then everyone else on the panel is an academic, you know, who disagrees with me, and they shred me, right? That's what they try to do. But I'm very difficult to shred. And especially, I think, because of the way that I speak, the way I communicate, the way I think, um, it's very difficult to shred me on issues I care about that I've been informed on. And They tried, and most of the time I was actually hitting them from the left with, with left-of-center arguments from their left, right? Pointing out their— so it turned into everybody being friends and having a nice discussion rather than like an adversarial debate, right? Which is what I prefer. I don't like debates, I like discussions, right, with people. Um, so, so we became friends. Uh, Dr. Reciprocate You know, she achieved her PhD in mathematical biology. I mean, I don't even know what that means. I had to Google it. I still— it's so complicated that I have to Google it every time I want to know what it means, even though I've already read about it. You know, it's that kind of thing. And just a brilliant person, but she's also a blitz slope. Okay, that's fine. Uh, but when you get into the core of things there are some significant issues that I have with Islam.

Okay.

Not just as a Christian, but as a free-thinking American here. What do you mean I can't order that? That's pork. I eat pork. Yeah, I eat pork. But like, because it offends you that I eat pork, like, we don't— we're not— Brannon's not going to order something different, just like you wouldn't order pork just because it kind of offends me that you don't eat it. You know, like you said, right? What are you doing here? Or you talk about freedom of speech and you say, hey, another Muslim friend of mine, it was a cafe, right? A hookah bar, actually, you know, funny enough. And we were talking and we're getting along, and he goes, I'm not into that violence, I don't believe in that. A lot of Muslims don't. I said, okay. And I said, what about Charlie Hebdo? What about the Charlie Hebdo attacks? He's like, well, that's different. I said, what do you mean that's different? What are you talking about? They drew a cartoon of, you know, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Right? They drew a cartoon of him and they got killed for it. You know, they got murdered. And he's like, well, I would never support murder, but you know, you have the freedom of speech. I believe in that. But you don't have the freedom to offend. There's a difference. You don't have the freedom to do things that are forbidden. That's forbidden. And I'm like, holy crap. Like this, like mostly conservative, free-thinking Muslim I know who's in the United States from another country, but he at his core believes that the laws should protect things that are forbidden in Islam, right? That the law should prevent people from doing things that would offend Muslims, right? I have a problem with that as an American, as a Texan. It's like, look, I'm glad that guy's here in a lot of ways. He's a business owner, participating in the tax base. He's doing all this great stuff. But fundamentally, like, I believe in freedom of speech. Yes, there are some exceptions, right? Like, I don't think you could go and start running around telling everyone I should be killed, right? And trying to get people to kill me. Like, there are some limitations to freedom of speech. I'm not gonna act like I'm a free speech absolutist, 'cause I'm not absolutist, 'cause I'm not. But I believe in a higher degree of freedom of speech than that, right? They honestly don't believe that, right? They don't. And so bringing people, even just from that argument, not mentioning the percentages of people in those communities who think it's okay to kill us, like Charlie Hebdo, that's like people who sympathize with that. But just looking at things like that, like freedom of speech issue, it's like I I don't want— like, do I want this person to be deported? No. But do I want to heavily import people who think the law should prevent me from saying what I think? No, I don't. I don't want to import those people. I don't want them coming here. You know, I don't want to live in a society where I can't eat pork or where You know, where you're just—

yeah, that your rights are gonna, are gonna be squandered because someone else is offended. No.

And, and someone could point out some obscure Christian group, right, who I also wouldn't want to live near because they're crazy. Uh, but I would like to point out that you would be pointing out an obscure Christian sect and not the dominant culture of a religion, right?

Right.

There's nothing in the dominant culture of Christianity that I find offensive. There's nothing in the dominant culture of Christianity globally that makes me feel scared, you know. I wish I could buy whiskey on Sundays in Texas. I mean, there's things like that, you know, that I think they have a role in or had a role in historically. But there's nothing that makes me feel like my way of life and the things I believe in the most are threatened. By overall Christian culture, and I'm a Christian, right? There are things in the dominant Muslim cultures that I find threatening, to say the least, you know? I find threatening not only to my way of life, but threatening to my life, you know? And I don't want to import that. And I think that's okay, you know? Like, it used to be not okay to say that, and well, whatever. That's what I think, you know? That's what I believe. Have compassion for them. I understand. Why people want to be here. I get it. I want to be here too. I'm glad I'm here. I'm glad I'm in this country. Very grateful that I was born here, right? That said though, I have loved ones. I have things that, you know, people I care about. I have things that matter to me. And I don't want to import a bunch of people who fundamentally disagree with my way of life, you know, and what I perceive to be what I know to be fundamental to what this country is.

Marcela, did you want to ask something at this point here?

Yeah, you know, so I'm— maybe Brandon doesn't know, I was born in El Salvador. I came as an immigrant here due to political issues in my country. My father was assassinated there and I had to leave immediately with my family. But what I notice is what you're saying is true. But the other issue that the US faces is the children of these immigrants are also very radicalized. And they actually are allowed, you know, because of birthright citizenship or whatever it is, you know, they were born here, they've only lived here. When I talk to somebody from, born from a Salvadorian here, Recently they are like, oh, El Salvador is great, the United States sucks, the United States is horrible. And I'm like, I wish I was completely 100% American and I wish I could give up my citizenship in El Salvador. And I looked into it, so I said, you know what, you have never lived in El Salvador if you love it to that degree. So what you get is a lot of immigrants from different nations that have children here that I don't know what they do. They idealize the life in another country, like in Mexico, Venezuela, Haiti, wherever it is, Saudi Arabia, whatever it is. So I've noticed that the more radical part of this immigrants are not really the first, you know, born outside of here. There they could be, but it's also the, the later generations. And I wanted to know what your thoughts are on that and if you have you know, face that when talking to people?

Well, it depends on, on which cultures we're talking about, right? If we're talking about people from Islamic nations, from like Muslims particularly, specifically, um, I think there's a couple of things at play, right? Uh, well, if you really want— I just kind of deep, I guess, but I'll do it. I think that I think young men in general, young males, uh, have a lot of testosterone. And I think that as people get older and they start to look at the world around them and realize it isn't what they thought it was, I think people can get pretty aggressive. I think that's why we see radical college students, right, uh, politically, who maybe chill out later in life. But I think some of that is just that, right? I think that You know, some of it is that. But I do think overall that when we bring people in mass numbers from places that have policies and cultures that are incongruent with our own, right? And I'm not just talking about white dominant American culture. I'm talking about general culture of the United States, right? Like, we have these— we have thousands of— probably tens of thousands of beautiful cultures, right? Like, my ancestors were Cajun, right? We have great cultures in Louisiana, you know, of Acadian French people, derived people. And even in Louisiana, I mean, you could, you could look at the cultures in New Orleans versus Lafayette versus— I mean, there's all these micro beautiful things, right? So, but the overall dominant culture that all of these subcultures and that fit within, right? Uh, when we breed people who are who live in places that are not congruent with what we as a nation believe and want, right, for the most part. And we do it in mass numbers where it's not one person who can assimilate, but you're bringing hundreds of thousands of people from these communities, right? Not only is there a problem with those specific people and what they advocate for or do, but their kids who are then born here but have that influence. So they're kids who can vote. You know, they're kids who can be politically active. They're kids who— and I don't want to get it— I don't want to casually talk about your family's experience in El Salvador, but I would imagine your dad— that probably happened in the '80s, the late '80s, maybe, right? '80s, early '90s.

Early '90s.

Early '90s. Okay. Yeah. Just because of some insight into what— nominal insight into what was going on there that I had.

Right.

I would imagine that's what happened, you know. So, yes, you know, your dad would have— would have— or your family would come here and they would— they would have one set of views, maybe very grateful to be here, all this, but they would have one set of views. But then you're born here, right? Were you born here? Were you born?

Oh, I was born in El Salvador.

Yeah.

Okay.

I was a conservative in El Salvador already at the age of zero. I already know that.

I already know that. From what you told me your family experiences were, the tragedies. I could already determine that you were that, your dad, your family. But what I'm getting at is, you know, people who come from a place where they don't have freedom of speech, right? People who come from a dictatorship or from a place experiencing, like, yeah, there could be problems with that. But there are children who are often raised in this society where they never knew what it was felt like, what it felt like to get killed for what they say, right? You know what I mean? Where they experience actual freedom of speech. Then you have all of those hidden, quiet, radical thoughts of the parent, right, that they would never have said because they came here, maybe didn't have legal status right away or something. You have these, yeah, it manifests, I think it manifests intensely in the next generation, the ones who have the legal protections to do it, who can't be deported who can't have their immigration papers scrutinized for inconsistencies. Yeah, I think that makes perfect sense. And again, people ask me all the time, they're like, why would Iran want a nuclear bomb? Or why would those people want this too? And I'm like, I get it, man. A lot of things can be true all at the same time, right? And also just because I may understand where someone's coming from, right? So if I have one baloney sandwich, and my daughter is starving and we're in a post-apocalyptic world, right? And I want my daughter to eat that bloaty sandwich and someone else comes over and is like, "Give me the bloaty sandwich." I understand why they want my bloaty sandwich. I get it. I totally understand. I'm also not gonna let you take it, right? I can't. It's for my daughter, sorry. But I understand, right? All these things can be true at the same time.

Um, oh my God, I love that point. Yes, go ahead.

You get what I'm getting at? Yes, I totally understand why Muslims like Texas because we have a lot of freedoms that they don't have in others. I get it. I understand why they flock to Texas. I get it. I understand why they want school. I homeschooled one of my children, right? I, I totally understand why they want to educate their kids the way they want to educate their kids. I totally understand why they want to organize as a society or as a subculture and have the laws of society reflect what they believe. I totally get it. I understand. Like, of course you want that. Like, that's what everyone wants. However, I think it infringes on my safety and my freedom of speech, some of these aspects, and I'm not going to let you do it. You cannot have my baloney sandwich.

If you think about it, um, they have so much freedom in Texas. Everybody does. And if you look at Saudi Arabia, if you look at, uh, why I bring up Saudi Arabia is because it's a, it's, it's a state that, uh, well, an empire or whatever you want to call it, kingdom, that is not— there's no war, there's no issues, but they keep a tight lock on their radicalism. If any, any, any imam goes radical, they're on them, you know. So there's this, this idea that, that if you give them complete freedom, which is what Texas in a way is, they can take it and do what it is with it and run with it. And that's the scary part, is that in the Middle East they wouldn't be able to do what they do here, um, because of all the controls in the Middle East.

And parts of it, for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think the deeper answer here, right, is the deeper answer is let's just not bring people here from places in the world that are full of that. Let's just not do it, you know. Just say, look, I— we don't— you know, go to Western Europe. They want you there. They want that, right? They go, go to, go to the UK, unfortunately. I don't understand that. I, you know, I listened to an interview on Piers Morgan the other day, and I listened to what they were saying, and I'm like, I— the most defeatist, like, uh, like, shame in their historical cult, like, I've ever heard in my life, you know. I don't, I don't look at the British that way, right? I see, yes, there's historical issues like that, that, that have showed up in human— at all groups in human history, right? Almost all groups. But, but overall, I, I think of great contributions, right? Like that they've made.

Have you heard whatever the EU says is the justification for all this mass migration?

I mean, well, there's no—

there's—

well, I mean, but we get into the tricky— a tricky situation, right? So, uh, what do the Democrats here say is the justification for mass migration versus what do we know the Democrat leadership are doing, right? Like, yeah, like we just had that conversation. I think it's a lot like that. So it— thereby, what usually, what usually comes up, right, where they're discussing it, from what I see, right? I get— I don't see everything, I just— but I do see a lot, right? What they discuss is, is birth declines, birth rates, and the need to have more workers and more young people to support their, uh, social welfare, their welfare, right, for elderly or what have you. To them, they generally say it's about numbers. There are people on the more radical sides of things who will talk about historic oppression and how vital it is that— same with Mexico, right? If you talk to most Democrats, they believe they're just trying to help people have better lives. The leadership of the Democratic Party, I think the strategists, they know exactly what the hell they're doing with voters coming in, future voters for their party. But if you were to talk to more radical people in Mexico, they would say like, yeah, the United States took that from us. We need to take it back. Right. So I think the same is true. Like, are there, are there people in the UK who think like, hey, we don't want to be racist, we should let everybody here? Like, they're 100%. That is, that is occurring. Are there people who look at it and say, hey, we need to have more young people working to support the number of elderly people we're going to have on social welfare, as you know, in two decades. There are people saying that as well. Are there also radical people thinking, hey, our ancestors tried to take all this and couldn't do it, but now we are? There's people saying that too, you know. All of those things are true at the same time.

Um, so I think the most asked question is, well, you know, can we Can we get these people out? Obviously DACA is a problem, uh, birthright citizenship is a problem. Uh, I was thinking that too, Marcello, like we have, we have these millions of children that have been born here to parents who are radical and now they're here. Um, so I, you know, I know like with Haiti, so we just had the Supreme Court thing, so like the Haitians are going back. Um, you know, Stephen Miller said asylum's like over, like there's no more asylum for anyone from any country. We'll help you find another country to go to, but it's not this one. We're closed. Um, so I don't know, Brandon, like as far as a solution, what, you know, like to try to put like a positive spin on it. Um, I, everyone laughs at me cause I'm always like the emotional one. I'm like, you know, the Italian worry wart. And I'm just like, what are we going to do? You know, what does the future look like? Um, I, I know where I live in New Jersey— not where I live, but in New Jersey— there's a few towns that allow the call to prayer to be blasted out now like 5 times a day. Are you effing kidding me? Are you kidding me? Um, you know, I only see churches being burned down, never mosques. And I'm not suggesting, uh, arson anybody. I'm just saying you just see things going in one direction all the time. Um, and as much as I've always paid attention to this matter, uh, you know, this is, this is a million-year plan. They don't care how long it takes to take over the world, um, and they've been doing it little by little and now fast. So now we have Mondani, we have Ilhan Omar, and we have all these other little sub-elected people coming in with the same ideology. I know in Minnesota um, I forget what, what area it was when you went to vote, nobody spoke English. Every sign was in Somalian. And, um, Michigan and Maine are having problems. I mean, everyone. So, ah, is there a solution? Like, it— is anyone talking about this at the higher levels? Like, are that— do you believe— like, tell me that you believe that the Trump administration is fully aware that we're We're getting thrown down a toilet and we have to get these people out.

Well, it's really a tricky situation because a lot of these people we've allowed to be here. We've allowed to get legal status and they're probably not going to get out. A lot of them probably aren't. So then we get into what do we do about it? What do we do to keep ourselves safe? And then we get into some tricky waters that no one really wants to talk about. You know, when I was younger, right, and when I had met Andrew, I worked undercover with the FBI. And, you know, ultimately the right defended me and celebrated me for having done that. You know, and the left attacked me for it. And years later, years later, I, uh, you know, the right would say, how could you question the integrity of the Bureau and the men and women who serve us, you know, protect us? Or, and, uh, the left was like, no, blah blah blah blah blah, you know. And then years later, I'm sitting here watching, and the left is saying, how can you attack the integrity of the FBI? And the right is attacking the FBI, right? You know, and, uh, I'm like, oh my, like whiplash, right? Like watching how things change in society based on what benefits that particular network, political network at the time, right?

Right.

So people are going to like this, but the only way that we're not going to get blown up, you know, by, by people like that, uh, it's gonna be through law enforcement keeping an eye on what they're doing, right? If, if not everyone, but people who say crazy things, people who do crazy things, people who insinuate they're to do crazy things. That's how most, most bomb plots and death plots from that community are caught. It's because someone in that community says something, right, to law enforcement, and then law enforcement infiltrates those organizations. That's how it happens, right? Um, that's ultimately what's going to happen. At any time you have a long-term investigation Right? Like, so a local cop sees you do something and they arrest you for it. A federal agent, no. Like, what they do is they see you do something and then they wonder how many other people are involved and how deep does the plot go. So what they do is they watch you, right? That's, that's what they have to do, uh, whether it's creepy or not. That's, that's the reality of what goes on. And anytime you have an investigation like that you're going to have long-term involvement of informants or confidential human sources, operational sources. You're going to have long-term law enforcement involvement, which means off the get-go, every possible defense is going to be entrapment. There's no way around the fact that any good defense attorney is going to claim that because it's always grayish, right? It's always— there's always that possibility. Maybe they were trapped, we don't know. Like, there's always that Right. And because there was such a long-term investigation, almost every case is going to end with a plea deal. Get it? Because there's so much evidence against you, there's so much overwhelming evidence, you have no choice but to take a plea deal. So then once that's done, everyone comes back and is like, well, the informant entrapped him, you know. Or maybe the informant entrapped them. Well, why does everyone— why does the government force everyone into plea deals instead of let them have their day in court? Or, you know, and we start this stuff. We did it as a movement. We did it ourselves in 2000. You know, we did a lot. Okay. Like on January 6th, I know the vast majority of people who were there were not violent people. I know they were there protesting. I know a lot of innocent people got caught up in that. I know a lot of the people who went to the Capitol went through the front door and thought they were allowed to, right? I know that. But I also know that there were people there who were trying to do some stuff that we can't be allowed to, right? Let's be honest about it.

Yep, 100%.

Same thing with the left at the 2008 Republican National Convention. The vast majority of the Democrats there protesting, they weren't a part of that stuff. Was there a small group of people using that ignorance and that energy to try to do some really bad things, there were, right? You get it? There were. And so, uh, we have to— what is kind of step back and realize what is actually necessary for us to keep ourselves safe now that we've brought in billions upon billions of Muslims, and the best data suggests 25 to 27% of them are sympathetic towards us getting killed if we offend their religion, right?

Mm-hmm.

What, what do we have to do now to keep ourselves and our children safe? And it's got to— the solution in that case is a law enforcement solution. First biggest solution is stop the importation of that. The second solution is we're going to have to monitor threats and make sure that they don't successfully hurt other Americans. And, but in order for that to happen, We're all going to have to— a lot of us on all sides are going to have to start taking a little bit of a different attitude towards such efforts by law enforcement. We probably have to stop attacking law enforcement as a whole every time somebody we might sympathize with gets in trouble for something crazy. You know what I mean?

Give them more power and also understand, you guys, not to be a Debbie Downer, but these communities are also infiltrating law enforcement. So, um, there are, you know, we have problems.

I mean, we could turn this into China, we could turn this into— I mean, we have a lot of threats in our nation. And I don't think— I don't know necessarily like the FBI needs more power. I think they have a lot of power. I think, uh, I think politically, right, and culturally, we probably need to be a little more presumption of support before we just pick them apart when it's politically convenient, because that's going to be what keeps us safe. I mean, you know, someone talked to me the other day and they said, well, you know, most, most political deaths that occur since 2002 are from the right. And I said, okay, hold on, hold on, man. I said, first off, it's interesting that you started in 2002. Let's start in 2001.

Yeah, let's do that.

But I said, okay, let's start in 2002. Why is it that, that you do see some deaths from nutjob lone wolves on the right? Well, I'll tell you why. Because it goes back to the law enforcement thing. People on the left, what are they? They're collectivists, right? They tend to organize in a collective manner, which means that they tend to do things as groups, right? They tend to do things as groups, which always leaves the possibility that one or two people in that group with the conscience are going to tell somebody. Which then gives law enforcement the time to infiltrate and to pay attention and to prevent rather than the act come to fruition, right?

Yeah.

The right, if somebody's a nut job or crazy, they tend to do things very alone. We're individualists, right? We're not collectivists. We tend to not include a bunch of people into whatever we're doing, right? I don't include a bunch of people into my economic well-being. I'm responsible for myself. You're responsible for yourself, right? He's responsible for himself. She's responsible for herself. We're not collectivists, so we tend to do things alone. So, so that makes it— if, if only one or two people know about something bad that's going to happen, you're not going to find out about it until after it happens, right? But just because law enforcement is very successful for the most part in preventing left-of-center violence plots because of these dynamics I just discussed doesn't mean that had nobody said anything or had law enforcement not been there that there wouldn't be more acts of violence from the left. It doesn't mean that, or from Muslims, or you get what I mean?

Yes.

So we have to understand all these things. We have to understand the context that these things occur within, and we're going to have to ultimately, you know, have some real discussions and maybe change some attitudes if we want to make sure we successfully defend ourselves against people who would want to kill us because we eat pork, or because we draw a picture of Muhammad, or because we say Muhammad without saying peace be upon him afterwards. And you know what I mean? We have to— or because we support Israel, or we have Jewish friends, or we speak up for them, right? A lot of people on the right have different views about Israel. A lot of people on the right have different views about You know, I've heard a lot of views about Jewish people, right? I tend to be very supportive and sympathetic towards Jewish people, and I tend to be very sympathetic towards the state of Israel. That's me. Not everyone agrees with me. I recognize that, but I tend to be that way, right? So the idea that, you know, if I wore a Star of David or if I wore an Israeli shirt or bumper sticker, the idea there are people who would want to hurt me because I have that advocacy, you know?

Yeah.

And, uh, and I want law enforcement— I deserve law enforcement in this country to keep me safe from those people, right?

100%.

And I think we have to start looking at things differently and having some real conversations, uh, if we want to stay safe. And I think that ultimately we just have to stop importing mass numbers of people from places in the world that are very, very different from us, you know. Do some people come? Sure. You know, do, do, uh, are there cases where I want there to be political asylum? Yeah, there are. But I, I think when you have the vast majority of people from south of our border applying for political asylum after they were coached by Mexican cartel transnational criminal networks on how to do so, I think we have a problem. You know what I mean?

So Scott would always say to us to be useful, you know, be useful. That was his motto. He lived his life that way till his very last breath, uh, literally. Um, what is something based on our conversation today that we can do to be useful to help preserve our way of life and our country and our freedom and our safety?

Well, I think the biggest thing is, is being informed, right? Like, talk about news editor. I used to be— I still write, but I used to be a writer, right? I used to be a journalist and I still am a journalist, but at that time I would write about a situation. Okay. As an editor, I still do that, but my job is to understand the context that situation occurs within that someone who works under me is writing about and to make sure that we're best informing our readers. Okay. It's a very different situation. So for me, I basically get paid to know what's going on in a lot of situations. That's my, that's my jam anyways, but that's also what I get paid for, right? So the news organization isn't led astray, our readers aren't led astray unintentionally. So what I would say to people is be informed. Yes, read all the people you agree with, make sure you're reading the people you don't agree with, right? Every day, Do I, do I read everything that comes on Breitbart? I do. Do I read everything that, you know, that comes from a number of publications on the right? Of course I do. I tend to agree with them. I identify as someone on the right. Uh, do I read Al Jazeera every day? I do. Do I look at CNN every day?

I do.

Do I read the New York Times every day? I do. Wall Street Journal? I do. Washington Post? I do. Do I go even deeper into the minds of really overt leftists? And check out The Nation? I do. You know, do I listen to NPR? Sometimes I do when I want to hear a left-of-center perspective, right? I don't buy their argument that they're not a left-of-center perspective because they are, right? But being informed— and the more informed you are, the more you read things you disagree with and see where people are coming from, the better able you are not only to know what's going on, but the better able you are to debate people, discuss things with people, and see what things they care about so you can try to change their mind or try to inform them, right? At least to have discussions with them. That's what I think the deal is. The deal with Mexican cartels, make no mistake, like what mattered the most was that, you know, cartels were killing journalists left and right. We started a writing project in Mexico where we allowed Mexican journalists to write under pseudonyms so that no one would— and then we presented what they said to a larger audience. Nowadays, back then, that was very revolutionary. Like, no one did that. People thought I would get killed. I didn't know how they would react to me or my writing partner, Ildefonso Ortiz. We call him Pancho. I didn't know what they would do to us. Turns out they didn't kill us. I'm glad. I'm happy. But nowadays, like, everyone is writing about cartels, right? But they used to not be. Why are they doing that now? Because A, we stepped in and we showed people that the waters are okay, that it's okay to write about cartels and that it's okay to take that risk. And B, we just got people to care about the issue, which then makes people want that content. Now everyone writes about cartels. You get it? Yeah. So it's funny, my daughter and I were talking. Scott Adams the other day, and we were talking about a wreck that I came across one time, right? And it was a horrific wreck. 18-wheelers on fire, people trapped. It was horrible, horrible. I'm not gonna give the details, but when I pulled up to this wreck, there were people circling this at a distance, right? But no one was actually trying to help until I ran jumped on the vehicle and started trying to pull someone out, then all of a sudden all the people around me started to do it. You know, they all started helping, right? Well, that applies to everything in life, and it applies specifically to what you just asked. Okay. What can you do? Be informed, right? Be sharp. And when you see something that needs to be said or needs to be done, start to try to do it. Because a lot of people around you, they care. They, they just need that spark, right? They need that leader to emerge and take the first step before they will. They need somebody to jump in the pool first before they'll jump in.

I agree.

And that's the best advice I could give.

I love that advice. So, you know, the— we're in, uh, the unique, the unique and sad and crazy position where, you know, I believe Andrew Breitbart and Scott Adams are probably you know, two of the most important people we've had as voices in our country. Um, you lost Andrew Breitbart, we all lost him, but, and here we lost Scott Adams. And thankfully they made such an impact with so many millions of people that we can carry on and be the people that have discussions and say, what do we do and how do we be useful and how do we not be afraid? And, you know, I really, really hope, Brandon, that you'll come back again because I'm watching the chat. Everybody's like, can we go for 2 hours? You know, like, we could, you know, have him come back again, that whole thing. So we would love, love, love to have you back, you know, regularly as a guest professor because it's so important to keep these conversations going and to have some kind of guidance and mentorship.

So I would love that.

I would love that. We would too.

I love this format. I love you all. I love Scott Adams. I respected the heck out of him, enjoyed him. And I would absolutely love that. Usually nowadays, I don't show my face a lot. Like, I don't do TV, right?

Right.

And I mostly won't do interviews unless I really like people, because my whole deal is I'm at a stage of life— we have to understand, all of these years trying to get people to care about the border cartels, or get the U.S. government to use its power to go after cartels, right, and to disregard, uh, the cartel-connected politicians in Mexico who were preventing us, right, because of political correctness. We were afraid to go after these threats to our people because we didn't want to offend or look like savages or something to our neighbor or to the world population, to the world body. And I'm at this place where, like, I've succeeded. Like, everyone's writing about cartels now, you know?

Yes.

The US government's going after cartels. The entire paradigm has shifted. Cartels are being decimated. And, um, and now I'm like, you know, I'm getting older, and I think I want a sailboat. That's what I'm in that mindset where I'm starting to, like, seriously look at sailboats. I'm looking at the economic options I have. And I think I'm in this place where like, I want to hit— I want to do the Northwest Passage. I want to go to Antarctica. I want to go— I want to go explore and do wild things. And the last thing I want to do is be engaged in, you know, you know, flying to Dallas, Texas to do a 1.5-minute hit on somebody's Fox News show. You're like, it's— I'm not going to do that, you know? So like, if you guys this kind of format and you want to have a discussion for an hour or two, I would love that.

We love that.

But, but like the general media circuit game, like I just am not doing it anymore. I'm like, I'm going the other direction.

Everybody else is trying to build their profile and I'm like, I don't blame you. We, we want you to come. We want all of our guests to come here and just talk, you know, like no commercials, no agenda. Like, let's just have a discussion because like you said, discussions are The most important thing, not debates, discussions. And, you know, this was so, so freaking informative. And like, I feel re-energized. I feel inspired and beyond anything, so thankful that you, you accepted my invitation and we are all benefiting from hearing from you today and in the future.

I just had a cool thought. Yeah. Even if I someday do get that sailboat. And go to the Northwest Passage. Yes, due to Starlink, I could still do this, do this 100%.

That's what I already had the whole thing in my head. I'm like, he'll be on the boat, he'll have Starlink, and we're going. I love it.

Scott from Santorini.

Yeah, exactly. Scott used to do the show from wherever he was also. So Brandon Darby, uh, is there anything that, you know, where people should find you on X, or, you know, where you're writing anything you want to tell them?

Yeah, @BrandonDarby on Twitter, or X, I guess you call it now. I'm old enough that I say Twitter.

Me too.

I'm still going to say Twitter. I might say Twitter X, but I'll never just say on X, you know, like, find me on X. And like, to my generation, that'd be something very different. Like, I'm on X. No, I'm not on X, you know.

Exactly.

You get it. You get it. So, so that's the best place to find me. Uh, my work at Breitbart, you know, just, just check out Breitbart News.

You have a lot of very excited new fans, and same here. You're part of the fam. We're so happy. So let's— yeah, thank you. Let's say goodbye to everybody, you guys. We always do. We always say thank you to Scott and to Shelley for allowing this show to go on. Thank you to Brandon Darby so much. And as always, a closing sip to our beloved Scott. And if you guys want to pop off or stay, I'll do a closing song from Akira, and we'll let Brandon and everybody else go. All right, to Scott, you guys. Thank you.

Yes, let's go.

Just got—

nice, guys.

Thank you. All right, you guys, how amazing is Brandon? So freaking amazing. I'll just answer the question for you. So you guys, yeah, that was fun.

I feel like we could have several shows just on this initial round of stuff. Just, you know, we hardly talked about cartels, really. We could have a whole show just on that and And even just going back into Brandon's background, sounds like he's had a lot of adventures.

He's amazing. I've been enjoying watching him for years and I'm glad you guys met him now. Cool dude. Yes, yes, yes. All right, you guys. So let's do a little closing song. And I was thinking— oh no, that one's too sweet for right now. Let's do— let's do Do Something. Let's do Do Something. Okay. Owen and Marcela, thank you so much. Oh, Owen has the after party, you guys, tomorrow. Sorry, Owen, you have the after party tomorrow.

I do.

Yes. And we'll be back on Monday. All right, love you guys. This is Do Something from Akira the Don coming at you.

Have you heard the phrase freedom is just another word word for nothing left to lose? You've heard that, right? Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. How about that college class you were going to sign up for? How about that sport you wanted to get involved in? How about that motorcycle you wanted? Too dangerous, right? You're free. You're free. Every one of you who is depressed and anxious, you're free. You're free. Because nothing you do will be worse than the way you feel right now. Do something. Do something dangerous. Psychologically dangerous. Take a chance. Put yourself out there. Play now. Get Kill them. Just get smashed. Just go do it. You're free. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. You're free. Do something. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. You're free. Do something. If you want to meet people, here's the best way to do it. You have to join activities. There is no other way to meet people and form lasting friendships. Hear this clearly. There's no other way to do it. You have to join an activity, a club, a sport, a gym, an organization, a political movement. Nothing else, right? You can't just make a friend. Like, good luck. You could try, but I don't think I've ever seen it work. Hi, uh, you know, Bob, uh, hearing good things about you. I think we could be friends.

Doesn't work.

Do something. Do something. Join a thing. Make a sport. Form a club of your own. Just go do it. You're free. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. You're free. Do something. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. You're free. Do something. Why would you not? Why not form a club of your own? Because you're afraid nobody would come, right? What's the difference? You're as good as dead. You're depressed, you're anxious, you hate your life. You're thinking about putting a— I can't say that here, but you're thinking about maybe life isn't worth it. You're free. You're absolutely free. Go have some fun. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. You're free. Do something. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. You're free. Do something. Now I gotta tell you, I've used this technique a number of times, and man, does it work. It really works. You're free. Just remember that people criticizing you are narcissists. They are broken. Don't let it break you. You've got some techniques now, and I think you're gonna be a lot better. Go get yourself some friends and you'll find your mental health problems feel a lot better. Go get involved in something. Join a group.

Form a group.

Be the boss. That is your advice for the day, and I will talk to you.

And we'll talk to you on Monday. You guys have a great, great weekend. Don't forget to join Owen at the after party, and we'll see you back here Monday. Love you guys. Bye, Marcella. Bye, Owen. I don't know if you're still here.

Bye.

He's still there.

Well, visually, I think he left for work.

I am here.

Oh, he's there. Holy shit.

He was too busy dancing.

Bye guys.

Bye.