The Scott Adams School - 07/02/26 The Home Team. BATMAN. MK Ultra.

Be live. Good morning. Let me join in over here on Locals. Oh, I see you cutie pies. We've got Locals is going, Rumble, YouTube. Good morning, YouTube.

Good morning, everyone.

Hey, you know what's really strange is, you know, I'm always talking about like you guys taught me the little knuckle thing and whatever. I had no idea that yesterday was July 1st. I guess I never said the date. And today I freaked out a little bit this morning when I went to put the date down, and I'm like, so I'm wondering if I put the wrong date yesterday on the show. I have to go back and look. I feel like I was in a time warp and I got shot out the other side. It was very—

you missed it. Pride Month was over as of yesterday.

Oh yes. Okay, let's go. Bye Pride Month, you went out with a bang. Um, all right, welcome in everybody, come on in. We have an interesting show for you today with the home team. Did Marcela go to the salon? I know, she's like just so pretty, right?

I went to see the game and we won.

Yeah, you saw the game?

Yeah, like, uh, with many people in LA, so it was very fun. Everybody was screaming, and, um, because it was very, uh, it was very controversial, but we ended up winning.

I saw that controversial call by the ref. X went on fire with— he was wrong, the ref.

Let me put it on the record, he was wrong, completely wrong.

Yeah.

All right, well, let's go USA! So let's see, Monday is the next game, you guys, so watch. Oh, thanks, Marcella. It's a long thing. All right, so let's see if we've done this sip before or not. We'll find out. Here we go.

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Mmm, delightful. Owen, quick question. They want to know your plans for the after-party for the holiday weekend.

Um, I think I would still at least do the after-party and the Sunday Simultaneous sip. I think I'm considering not having the subscriber spaces, partly because I haven't picked the next book and we finished the last one.

Oh, wow.

But also to give people more time over the holiday weekend. So I'll probably still at least check in and do the sip for people and we'll have the after party.

I have a suggestion of a book for you. It's called Chaos by Tom O'Neill. We'll talk about that in a second. So listen, you guys, I saved this story for when Marcello was back. Because did you guys see this yesterday? We had Batman and Batwoman in New York City. These two.

Yes, that is the top of the Empire State Building. I am not from New York, but maybe my producers can kind of let me know. Whoever is familiar with the Empire State Building, you can educate me while I'm on the air. I think, you know, are, you know, what is access to the top of this building? Are you, you know, how would you come to visit the Empire State Building? How far are you allowed to go? Do you buy tickets?

It doesn't even matter what she's saying. I just want to show you this. This now engaged couple because they proposed. He proposed to her here. I don't care what their names are. I don't honestly— they're like Daredevils, blah, blah, blah. I just wanted to show you this only to show you the next story. So anyway, they climbed to the top, proposed. It was a stunt. This is what they do. And they had a flag about peace and love. Peace and love. Great, great, great. Nice message. At least it wasn't like BLM. I was happy about that. So here they are. And I think that's what, like, what is it, 1,450 feet, something like that. Look at the airplanes below. I would die. And you guys, just FYI, it was 473 degrees yesterday in New York, so there's that. But there's a better—

am I the— I'm so sorry, am I the only one that sees Scott Adams on there on the I still see the, um, what do you call it, the, uh, clip for Scott Adams.

Oh, do you? Thank you.

But—

oh, there we go.

Thanks. Um, you do see Scott there on that flag.

Yeah, that's why they're gonna get confused.

Of course he's there.

Look at the muscles on those people.

No, I know. Look at her. Wait, and him too.

And her, she's like—

I was kind of wondering why they were wearing masks because it just seems like, you know, you're going to be arrested. You know they're going to catch you.

Oh yeah, I know, they're silly.

Because they wanted to look like superheroes.

But wait, there's more. Okay, you guys, this is epic. There is a Mexican Batman, and I'm just going to give you the setup and then I'll show you. This guy's a vigilante. Dun dun dun! And what he does is he finds the people that are stealing motorcycles and he gets them. And you're going to see what he does to them when he captures them. To publicly shame them. Ready?

He—

whoops. He duct tapes them to a pole and puts the motorcycle that he stole in front of them and posts his— posts their pictures everywhere.

And he actually writes on them or somewhere on there, they were—

yeah, yeah. And what does he write? He writes like—

He writes rateros. So rateros means like, it's kind of derivative of rats, but it means someone that steals, someone that robs people. Yeah.

Yeah.

So I love that guy. I think that's so fun. I mean, like, we're all into vigilante right now with that movie that just came out, and that was harmless. It was harmless. They stole people's property and he made it known. Owen, are you against this? Are you for this? I think we should start doing that here.

I'm, I'm not for vigilantism in general, but I'm, I'm kind of wondering, like, is what this person doing even illegal? It sounds kind of almost like a citizen's arrest, and unless he's torturing the guy or doing something else, I'm not sure if he'd be doing anything wrong by U.S. law.

Oh, so in Mexico, that's interesting you brought it up, because every time the police come and get these guys, instead of um, finding them as criminals, you know, for stealing whatever they were stealing. They're trying to look for the Batman, Mexican Batman, because he's causing crime. He's the one that's causing crime.

Oh, because they want to meet him?

Because they want to arrest him, because it's illegal in Mexico to do this.

Oh Lord.

Yeah, so instead of arresting the people that he catches, he, um, he, uh, Yeah, they're trying to arrest him.

It sounds like America, basically.

Okay.

Yep.

All right, good, good job. Well, we like him, and I'm, I'm into it. And I think it would be really fun, like, even if it was like our new legal system, that you get duct taped to a light pole and your crime gets, you know, put on a poster board in front of you, and you have to stay there until you can free yourself. There you go.

Are you bringing back the, the Scarlet Letters then too?

Um, yeah, I mean, but I don't— well, yeah, yeah, let's bring it back.

Bringing back everything again.

You know, it's like, it's like mocking, right? When we say mock it mercilessly, like, let's just mock them publicly like that. I like it. You think, do you think Clarence Thomas would like it? Yes. Yeah, he's like, you have a great idea, that is worth it.

That was really random. Like, I love it. Every time you have an idea, you should bring him up, and I'll be like, what would the law say?

Oh my gosh, maybe we can GoFundMe an actual Batman costume for the guy. Oh, why?

So he could actually look like Batman.

What do you mean?

I guess. Well, we don't know what he looks like though.

I think he does wear a mask. I don't know if it's a Batman mask. I'm going to explore this further.

All right, well, Marcela's going to look into this tonight. Um, so just wanted to have a little laugh to get going today because we have a deep subject today. Also, if you guys don't mind, just 2 seconds on housekeeping. Um, so listen, we are absolutely for free speech and chatting and challenging ideas, but there's a point where it just goes too far and it's just too much, and it's like It's like almost like spamming at a certain point. And the three of us work very hard to bring you guys a nice show. Like you're starting your morning, we're having our coffee together, you know, we're gonna start our day. Um, EJ, I know you know I'm talking about you right now, but to anybody on the chat who's just like spamming hateful stuff, or, you know, just like we already know your point, I would love it if you would just dial it down, not even to zero, take it from a 10 to like a 7. Maybe, you know, be a little considerate of the other people that are not having a good time because of your chat. And we want everyone to be relaxed. So, you know, no, EJ, you joined at the perfect time. So I just want you to just level it down because the three of us, we did— we like, we really want— like, we're— we love this. We love all of you guys. We love your differences of opinion. We welcome that. Like, you Like Scott Adams said, don't just say wrong, tell me why I'm wrong and, you know, be useful. But the thing that I like to always say is leave the chat better than you found it. So try to consider other people when you're making the comments and how it makes them feel. And, you know, like in the free world and on your X and whatever, post all the craziness you want, but we're just going to ask you to be considerate and mindful of people that are in here. Now, also, the other thing you can do is you can block people on YouTube, on, um, X, on all the platform, on Locals. So you can also block people, but I'd rather people not have to be blocked. I think it's nice for everybody to be heard in like a considerate way. And yes, you can be silly and perverted and like, we love all that. It just gets a little personal and borderline on hateful sometimes. So we just want it to be a nice experience for everyone. Um, I think Owen and Marcela would agree with what the sentiment is. Okay, let's see. Now, thank you, you guys. Um, that being said, we thought we would dip our toe into the MKUltra pool today. And if you don't know what that is, you will have a pretty good idea by the end of the show. Um, over the winter, I guess it was, I read a book called Chaos by Tom O'Neill. Um, there was a lot of things I didn't understand about the government's mind control— what do they call it, uh, mind control, I don't know, technique, program. So, but, but a lot of it I did know. I think a lot of us probably on here have learned about MKUltra over the years and heard about it, and people like Ana Paulina Luna, um, Tim Burchett, who we love, they're just like, put it out there. Like, you know, tell the people what's going on. Like, it even makes me think of like, where did all those scientists go? And you know, what happened with Manson? And you know, these are things that have been thought to believe, uh, that the government can control your mind. Um, first I'm gonna, I'm gonna just take you through a little bit of how we get here. Okay, so the first clip I wanted to play is Jack Posobiec talking to Charlie Kirk, another Charlie clip, um, because because I just want you to understand that if you can control the minds of just a few people, you can create such massive chaos and danger. Um, so although Pozzo's talking about the Bolsheviks, I want you to think about each little segment and group of things that we talk about on this show and what you see in the world and how it applies there too. Let's take a listen.

How many people were involved in the 17 revolutions?

We've only got a couple of thousand people.

And how big was the country?

How big was the country? Millions. 25, 50 million. I mean, this is Russia. We're talking the Russian Empire, Charlie.

How are a couple thousand people able to take—

Great question. I see where you're getting at. People didn't respond because people thought that it would blow over. People would— they would say, oh, this is going too far and they're being hypocrites and the people will see it and the people will eventually throw this off.

There were—

there was this point, Charlie, where the entire Bolshevik party was in like one building and you had members of the White Army, which we get into, wouldn't even fire on the building. They were already taking over. They were already slaughtering people. And they say, oh no, we don't want to, you know, we don't want to do something that's against our principles. So we're not going to do that. One building, one building could have saved all of Russia, all of the people. No gulags, no Solzhenitsyn, none of it. No Red Terror, etc.

You're on mute.

Hi.

Hi.

Um, so just keep that in mind, like, as we're going forward today. Um, Pozzo and Charlie, I mean, like, two just two smart dudes. Um, and so we're gonna get into it. Marcella went down the, uh, MKUltra rabbit hole. Oh yeah, still going through it. Yep, I've been down it. Owen, have you been down it?

Yeah, I mean, I, I can give you a little background, or at least an overview. I mean, um, this is a big program, by the way. I mean, we keep just hearing it as like, oh, it's MKUltra, like, and you hear about maybe some of the specifics, which I'm sure we will, but, um, it was launched in 1953 by the CIA director Allen Dulles during the Cold War, and, um, they were afraid of Soviet and Chinese brainwashing. So what was their solution? Well, let's do it ourselves. Um, but this was big. Like, this was an umbrella program for 149 sub-projects between 1953 and 1973, I think, and it involved 80 different institutions and over 185 researchers. So like, this was pretty massive for a CIA operation, and it was all about mind control, truth serums, you know, different psychological warfare techniques, and, and they wanted to create some kind of Manchurian candidate, like be able to program somebody to do something, which sounds like a lot of what has been at least alleged with some of the recent assassination attempts and other things like that, where, um, and, and it sounds like, you know, that may have been part of the goal of, of this program.

Yeah, so, well, okay, so that's, um, a good lead to— where is the one? It's so hard to know what clip is. Well, actually, let's do Tim Burchett on, um Burchett. He calls himself Burchett. Tim Burchett on Joe Rogan. Um, I, I'm with Joe when he's like, I don't know anything about it. But anyway, let's take a listen to this clip.

You're assuming he was trying to kill the president.

The guy's been programmed to do this. He immediately turns, you know, from one way to the other overnight almost. And this is— and we're seeing this more and more, I think.

What do you mean the guy's been programmed?

I think these people are, um, you mean like MK Ultra type programming? 100%.

Really?

I think so. But it's a different, you know, MK, you're the expert on it.

I'm not really. Well, don't say that.

Yeah, no, I don't want to get you bumped off. Jerry knows what I know about it. Let somebody else go start your car when you walk out there and wait 30 minutes. But yeah, I know nothing. But you know, the CIA, they were grabbing these people up and giving them, I guess, acid or LSD, whatever, and then programming them. And then, then they said they weren't doing it and then they got sued and they said, oh, we lied, we were doing it, but we're not doing it anymore now. Which time are they not? Here's, here's my thought on this. I think you've got a bunch of people today because of this. It's just open up, open up your head and pour it in. And they can put these things out to people just enough to where they know that there's going to be a reaction. There's some people— you and I are going to read this stuff and go, huh? You know, and there's some people that are just going to stay awake at night and just fume. I know people that read stuff and they'll call me and text me and said, can you believe this? And I'm like, dude, man, I live this stuff.

Cool out.

We're good.

We're okay. And I think that these folks, they know who they are and they can— they can target them. You know, how many of these people are going to be— are we going to find that have no internet access? Have no history of being on the internet. Right.

Like Thomas Crooks.

Yeah, that's just— that's just total BS. Total BS. Oh, we couldn't— we let him on the roof and, you know, and then also they couldn't get snipers on that roof because the slope was too steep.

So, you know, it's just interesting because— so they're saying, you know, with your phones near you, they can hear you, but they could also potentially transmit things to you and thoughts and ideas. And it doesn't have to be anything super crazy either, right, Marcella? I mean, like, they can just start putting little thoughts into your head. Oh, where's my— I'm just— yeah, I'm just saying this so, so I can start my car on my own. Like, I have no idea. Okay, you guys, like, this is just me talking.

Um, I programmed Erica to say that.

Yes, he always— it's his fault.

That's exactly the truth. It's like, how do you know what's what, you know?

Well, and again, like, you know, so here we are with, you know, on Scott Adams' channel, and it's all about persuading people, right? Yes, brainwashing them. Um, and, and the means in which they do this can be so torturous and just evil. Um, so Marcella, take that clip, like, you know, start that one off.

There, there was Um, in regards to this, there was a case, uh, alleged case of this woman that she— some of these people, um, that were part of the MKUltra program were people that were sick at hospitals or had psych issues or something. So this woman had postpartum depression, and so she was leaving the hospital, they grabbed her, not like in a, in a weird way, they just asked, you know, they just took her to therapy therapy. And so they had her driving. One of the things that they describe is that they had her driving, uh, for hours with her eyes open, kind of like Clockwork Orange. And she just did everything that she was told, uh, because she was under this, um, under drugs, under all these things. Well, she— they did that to her for a month, and then she came out of this place, and then she was not able to function. Like, she could not remember things. Like physically she couldn't go to the bathroom, you know what, you know. So like physical and mental, they were able to like break her down. And, um, you know, it doesn't have to be to that level. It could just be, as we know from Scott Adams, repeating stuff, you know, keep on, um, visuals, keep on putting violent visuals in front of you. One of the things video games is being always accused of having be related to shootings like Columbine and other things, like the— where it started from. Um, so this idea that you can just— like, uh, they were saying in the video is like, you, you now you have a phone and you can do that to people. Um, you know, and then you can transmit. There's— we can go into many different places. There's this whole idea of frequencies.

Yeah, and we'll get to all that too.

Yeah.

So, you know, the thing is, so they would use things like LSD and they would— a lot of times they did this on prisoners. I think there's rumors that they did this more to Black prisoners maybe at some point, but they would just be like, oh, let's just start dosing. The point of it was they were experimenting on people to see what they had to do to get to be able to control their minds, to control their actions. So maybe to assassinate somebody, maybe to, you know, kill a certain bunch of people.

Sirhan Sirhan, who, well, he's convicted of killing RFK. He to this day does not remember anything. He thought he was at a shooting range allegedly while he was doing this. And then recently, um, he was on, um, he was on parole to get out, um, and they asked him like, okay, the only way— okay, you can go out, you can— we can let you free, but you have to actually, um, admit it. And he was like, no, I can't admit it because I don't remember doing this. So it, it, you know, it's still out there. But RFK Jr. and his family I don't, I don't want to speak for them, but there is a, there's a sense that there was mind control involved.

Yeah.

Um, Owen, do you want to jump in here? The next clip I'm going to play is Ana Paulina Luna. It's about a 5-minute clip of why they're doing this investigation.

I would just say, like, Scott Adams told us that you can't, like, do some of this extreme stuff with hypnosis. Um, the points I would make would be, number one, this isn't probably just hypnosis. This is, like, much more extreme experimentation with, like, high doses of LSD and you know, electroshock therapy and all sorts of things that they were doing as part of these experiments. And I don't know that we really do understand what the limits are on a human mind, like what you can do to, to that. I mean, we do know that brainwashing is real, so I think to me there is a lot of potential that this is real. I don't think it's ever been studied, part probably mostly because it would be so unethical to do it that it would never be approved under legitimate science. But we don't really know because most of the documents around this stuff were destroyed. And that in itself, I'm pretty sure, is a big crime. But yes, like, you know, it points to what was there. I mean, it leaves a big question as to what went on there. And so I just think there is a lot of potential that some of this stuff is true or is effective. And, you know, I don't know what Scott would say about it, but I just wanted to throw that in that, you know, he said you can't really like make somebody want to do something that they don't want to do. But he did also then follow that up with you can change what someone wants to do, like like you can change their preferences. So it may be that it's just a much longer process to get someone to do something they want to do, because you want to first convince them that they want to do it, and then you can hypnotize them or do whatever else to make them do it.

So the, the— these two clips I feel like are so important. The, the one person you're going to hear after is Tom O'Neill, who wrote the book Chaos that I was talking about. It's like, it's sad because you're just like, man, you know, I don't want you guys to like walk away from today's show feeling bad and sad. I think if you don't know much about it or you've never heard of it, just, you just need to be aware that, you know, it's not that we're bad, but we do really bad things. They're gonna tell you, you know, everyone that does do this in whatever country they're in doing it, I won't just single us out, But, you know, they're saying it's for the greater good of the safety of their people and their country. I don't know. But let's listen to Ana Paulina Luna first. Um, this is about 5 minutes and just try to really pay attention to what she's talking about that this, this project is. And I'm not saying was, is.

This hearing is about the crimes committed by the Central Intelligence Agency against the American citizens and the decades of secrecy used to conceal them. The American people deserve a complete and truthful record. The victims and their families deserve acknowledgment, and this Congress has a constitutional obligation to ensure that full declassification is not delayed any longer. Project MKUltra was not a policy failure or an overzealous program that got out of hand. It was a deliberate, systematic governmental operation that subjected American citizens, prisoners, hospital patients, veterans, ordinary people to LSD, electroshock, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, psychological torture without their knowledge or consent. This went on for 20 years on American soil, funded by American taxpayer dollars and authorized by the very top of U.S. intelligence apparatus. And this program, when it did end, the men who ran it did not cooperate with investigators. They did not come forward. They committed another crime. They destroyed evidence. The documents this task force has reviewed are unambiguous. In January 1973, the director of the CIA, Richard Helms, prepared to leave office. He personally ordered the destruction of MKUltra records. The CIA official document in writing states, over my stated objectives, the MKUltra files were destroyed by the order of DCI Mr. Helms shortly before his departure from office. A separate internal account confirms that Helms telephoned Dr. Gottlieb directly and instructed him to destroy quote, all files pertaining to drug research and associated activities. Gottlieb completed— or compiled 4 people, spent an entire day tearing, burning down 152 files. Then Gottlieb had his personal papers destroyed by his secretary before he retired. The head of the CIA-owned records center protested the destruction in writing, but he was overruled. That is obstruction of justice. That is criminal destruction of federal records. And neither individual was ever charged with a crime for it. Helms received a $2,000 fine for lying to Congress about an unrelated matter and collected his government pension until he died. Gottlieb retired in rural Virginia and wrote poetry. No one went to prison. No victim was ever formally compensated by the government for the harm that they caused. By 1975, the Church Committee and the Rockefeller Commission had already established through sworn testimony and the surviving 1963 Inspector General report that MKUltra existed and that the CIA had run a program of human experimentation on unwitting Americans. The scope and detail of what we know today is largely because of an accident. In 1977, an archivist diligently complying with a FOIA request discovered 7 boxes of MKUltra financial records that had been misfiled and escaped the bonfire. Those 7 boxes included the names of institutions, the name of subprojects, the researchers who particip— who participated, the specific operation that the CIA had funded, and without them, the vast majority of MKUltra would only be a rumor, just as Helms and Gottlieb intended. Those 7 boxes revealed that MKUltra comprised at least 149 subprojects, operated across more than 80 institutions, and involved 185 non-government researchers. They revealed that the CIA covertly contributed $375,000 to a hospital research wing, which was approved directly by DCI Allen Dulles, with Richard Helms' concurrence, so the agency could use unwitting patients as experimental subjects in what their own documents called a hospital safe house. The CIA's own Inspector General said in 1963 his classified report concluded that the program had exceeded the agency's legal chapter and COVID testing on unwitting subjects placed the rights and interests of US citizens in jeopardy. The program ran for a decade that we know of, and they ignored, ignored their own watchdog. Let me be clear what I believe that we are dealing with here: administering drugs to people without their knowledge or consent, subjecting humans to psychological torture, and using prisoners and hospital patients as non- consenting research subjects. These are crimes against humanity. The Central Intelligence Agency committed them, and then the director of the CIA was ordered— or was ordering the destruction of evidence. Today we will hear from two witnesses who have spent years unraveling the cover-up that our government ordered. Stephen Kinzer documented the life and crimes of Sidney Gottlieb in his book Prisoner of Chief, and Tom O'Neill spent over 20 years investigating investigating what the CIA buried and what they obscured that, in my mind, constitute some of the worst notorious crimes against humanity in the 20th century. Their persistence in the research in this hearing is possible simply because they are patriots. The American people deserve the complete record. The victims and their families deserve acknowledgement, accountability, and justice. And this Congress has a constitutional obligation to make sure the CIA never does this again. Um, with that, I'm going to be opening up first questions, and I'll hold my questions to the end to Representative Burleson. But before I do pass it, I did want to just note a few weeks ago we did receive reports, um, there's some back and forth regarding the CIA and ODNI pertaining to, uh, new MKUltra boxes that were discovered. Um, myself and Representative Burleson did go down to Langley. We did meet with the the CIA, and the CIA is currently in the process of declassifying newly found documentation, although the documents— and I feel comfortable enough to share here— pertain specifically to a forgery program that was being housed under MKUltra. So as soon as those files are released, we will be putting out notification with your help to also comb through some of the newly released documents. But I did want to give you a quick update.

She's a badass. She wants the answers to everything that we want the answers to. So I was— I didn't even know that this hearing was happening, and when I started seeing it on clips on X, I'm like, oh my God, are we actually talking about this out loud in public? I couldn't believe it because it's been so hush-hush. Um, so I don't know if there's— if anyone in the chat is like freaking out because they didn't know about this until now. It's shocking, right? Um, so Owen, what— you know, I'm gonna come to you first on what she said. I mean, I mean, that's like— it's just like the tip of the iceberg, like how she's explaining what's happening here. But the fact all these files were set to be destroyed and gone forever, and it was a mistake, I think, by an angel who wanted this to be found one day, that they were found.

Kind of like the burn bags.

Yeah.

No, I mean, I think it is a— it, it seems like there were a lot of crimes committed here. A lot of people were tortured, maybe even killed as part of this. And, um, it seems like just a whole set of atrocities committed by our government. And, um, it's hard to know even if they did stop. I mean, you know, people say, oh, it stopped in 1973. How do we know that? All we, all we know is we don't have records of it. And, you know, the fact that the CIA is covert and you've got all this black budget and other things going on, you know, I don't know how we can have any confidence or any trust in these institutions when they're doing things like this and when they destroy all the records. It's like, okay, if you're gonna do that, what would stop you from doing it again? And I think the answer is nothing. Nothing would stop you from doing it again.

Yeah, well, based on some of the testimony and things that some of us have heard. It doesn't sound like it stopped. And I think it's, you know, again, everything is my opinion, you guys, but I think it's active right now in different ways, in different countries that we're dealing with and our own. And I know that it makes us all so sick that it's our taxpayer money. Our taxpayer money goes to so much stuff that is so immoral and despicable, and it's so frustrating to have no control over those things. So if that's how you're feeling, I get it. I know. And this is unfortunately the world we're in. Um, Marcela, what do you want to say about that opening clip from her?

Well, I mean, I understand what she's doing, but you know, these hearings, they have— they don't amount to anything. It seems like kabuki theater for me, uh, to see them act like, oh, we're not saying that she's part of a conspiracy that is still going on, and she knows it. I think she means to do well. I just don't know where, like, what, what purpose it serves. But anyways, the, the main thing that I, I think is, like, like you said, it's still going on. I mean, COVID showed you how people can be brainwashed into having a fear and then being told have this fear about this virus, think, you know, and then it showed how everybody comes and, and, um, together, and you are just like sheep and told what to do. Um, and then there's the whole thing of the vaccine and all that, but I, you know, that's very controversial with people on both sides, but it's just like it's another part of it. BLM, the, uh, Summer of Love, it's all of these things, they're just still doing it, you know. I, I don't necessarily think, um, the administration, the current administration are doing it. The, the, the— it's like the deep state sort of thing, you know. But you— the argument for them still having projects like MKUltra is— and I put it— I would submit it to Owen and you— is Well, it's part of figuring out what other countries can do to us. So we need to be able to be, um, it's like a, it's, it's like a weapon. So we need to be able to research on this so that this is not done to our people by China, by Russia, or by any other country.

I mean, I can go down that path and say, okay, yeah, let's do some research, but I would still say that we need to do it ethically. You need to do it consent. You can't just say we're gonna go experiment on psych patients in a hospital without telling them, or dose people with LSD without telling them, and maybe even kill people. I mean, that to me, there's no, there's no excuse for that. There's no justification for that.

Um, Beverly said, did they force people to listen to Maroon 5? Not Maroon 5, but I was, I was listening to one where last night where this woman they, they wanted her to lose her, her shit basically. And they had— they made her listen to like, like thousands of times over and over and over again of her saying that my mother hates me or something. Like it was like a comment she made and they played it on a loop on a recording to her for like countless hours until like it made her mad and crazy and like wiped her brain out. But it's like a certain way they do it with drugs.

Um, But the other thing I want to say is, oh, before, before you point something out, what you just said is something that Scott Adams agreed with, is that when you say something to someone, it doesn't necessarily have to be true. And so, so her mom hating her or not doesn't matter, right?

She—

the, the, the line, it already affects the person.

And the person listening who's trying to brainwash her said, oh, we're going to use that.

Um, you mentioned that she said she hates her mother. Like, imagine what they can do now with AI. You can clone someone's voice and it can sound like you're saying or you're thinking whatever they want you to say or think.

That's right. So I don't, you know, I don't really feel like it's, it's kabuki theater in the way it looks, but I feel like, I feel like even here today, like, looking at the chat, that there's— this is probably big news to a lot of people. Like, maybe they've heard the name, or, you know, Mary Kay, our, one of our beloveds on here. I've been calling her MK Ultra for 100 years, and, you know, maybe people didn't know why I was saying that. I never even thought about about it. But, you know, I, I feel like that this is going to be a lot of new information and hard information for people to hear, and I think it's going to lead to people reading Tom O'Neill's book and digging into it and maybe going to the— Joe Rogan's done several interviews where MKUltra is a topic if you just search it. And, you know, these are long-form interviews where you can really dig down, um, and, and everybody has basically the same stories, just different versions of the same stories and techniques.

Weeks.

So there's really no denying it. Um, but you know what, like, what are we doing experimenting on people? Like, they'll literally just say like, oh, you know what, they're, they're mentally ill, like, we're gonna bring them into a mental institution. And then they just rewire your whole brain. And if they're really good at rewiring your whole brain, they might set you off to go do something terribly nefarious, and you have no say in your life. So you're like a guinea pig. Again, this is just my opinion. I don't know if this is true. I'm just covering my ass so I don't get killed, allegedly. Um, this is true. Yeah, so, you know, so I'm just saying it is pretty scary. But what I want to do is listen to Tom O'Neill now because he literally spent like over 20 years researching all of this. Um, so let's just listen to him for a minute. And again, just pay attention really to what he's saying. Did you want to say something, Owen?

No, I, I covered it. Thanks.

Okay. All right. I thought I heard— I wasn't sure. Okay, so let's listen to Tom O'Neill.

Is it in your expert opinion that Jack Ruby and Manson were assets of the intelligence agencies specifically pertaining to MKUltra? Were they MKUltra victims?

Yeah, I theoretically— Manson, I, I've never been able to prove absolutely. Jack Ruby, I believe— this is something else. The Warren Commission investigation, uh, on the Warren Commission was Allen Dulles, the former CIA director who authorized and ran MKUltra until he was fired by President Kennedy. The liaison to the committee for the CIA, who handled the information coming from the CIA back and forth to the Warren Commission, was Richard Helms, who was a direct supervisor of Jolly West. They knew who West was. They knew that, um, what West was capable of and what they had paid him to do and what he had reported to them that he could do. Do, including inducing mental disorders in people. That was never disclosed to the commission as far as anyone knows. So I believe that Wes was put in there to keep Jack Ruby from telling his story.

Um, wow. Um, in closing, I just want to thank you all for being here today, and we will be following up, Dr. Kinzer, on your request to fully redact. I'll be personally with the director of the CIA, um, the MKUltra files that we do have. Also, as I noted earlier, there will be more that will be declassified, um, specifically pertaining to newly found records that were located, um, in what we were discussing earlier. Um, I did also want to just state that for the record, in regards to what statements were made earlier regarding the German government, we will also be following up on that. Um, if there are indeed people that were victims victims of this that have been buried, we would like to know who those people are and who their families are as well, in order to correct the historical wrongdoings of this government. Without further ado, I would like to state that all members have 5 legislative days within to submit materials and additional written questions for the witness.

You're on mute.

Lord have mercy, Sergio. Um, so I just want to state that But the things that— so when we were talking about doing a show about MKUltra, Marcel and I are really into it and whatever, and Owen's like, "Yeah, let's do it." But then I was like, "I have to dial it back because you guys, there were so many clips that I was looking at and thinking about using, and they're so hard to listen to." And I was like, "I just don't want to do it to you guys." So if you want to explore it further on your own, I think you should, um, but I didn't want you guys to like come out of school today feeling like total crap. Um, but look into it further. I have a couple more clips I want to play and then we're just going to talk about it freely. Um, here is Eli Crane. Now I just want to point out, we're talking current day questioning right here, um, or reasoning. So let's listen to Eli Crane, who by the way sounds so much like Brandon Gill, and I love that they both have this like dry monotone voice. But anyway, let's listen to Eli Crane and listen to what, what the answers are. There's no entry or exit wound. How they're designed is to make the target feel like they're crazy, like they're imagining things, especially on the low duration the low-intensity, long-duration hits. Are either of you aware of any individuals who have AHI symptoms have passed away from their ailments?

I do.

I do.

Have any of you, uh, three panelists ever seen one of these weapons?

I have seen a 1991 version of the weapon and it looks like a satellite dish with, uh, with a unit this size attached to it. Of course, over the years miniaturization has been possible. Obviously there's a limitation to how miniaturized it can be because of the antenna size, which can always— is always related to the wave. But still, it is something that can be well contained in a in the trunk of a car or even a large backpack.

Okay, all right, that wasn't the clip I thought it was, but that's 1991. Okay, so we're getting more into the current day. Um, let me just delete that so I don't play that one again. And, you know, yeah, they know people who have died. Okay, I'm gonna get through these clips, just two more, and then we're gonna talk. Let's check this one out.

What are the possibilities that, that what we've learned in MKUltra, now that it has advanced so much to algorithms and the computer and getting to loners, that some of these loners could, through this just mass propagation of whatever you're doing, could cause someone to maybe take a shot at a president.

I know there's a lot of speculation out there about the Butler shooting.— and I guess even the Charlie Kirk shooting. I just hate to speculate because I don't know. I have no firsthand knowledge whether those guys were programmed through radio waves or through their computer activity. So I would never hazard a guess except to say what I've already said, that they developed means that we've never been told about many, many years ago and I imagine they've evolved to be much more effective now as well.

Let me interrupt you one more time, and I apologize again, but don't you think that they could cast this broad net through these algorithms and other things, and maybe they don't know the exact person it's going to affect, but they know what type of person it's going to affect, and they know it's going to happen, and that way they can— they can't predict when it's going to happen, but they think it will happen, and then that way they can sort of wash their hands of this whole thing and say, "We didn't have anything to do with it," but in effect they really did, because they put this out there and they continue to put it out there, through whatever method you're talking about. Go ahead, guys. I'm sorry. Ma'am, if you want to jump in.

She's with NIH.

Okay. Doctor, go ahead.

It sounds to me like you're describing something like the Martin Luther King assassination. FBI didn't carry it out, but it created such a climate, denouncing King as the most dangerous man in America and putting out all this material about how he was helping communists, that they must have thought, it's going to filter down. Somebody will take action. And then we can say we didn't have anything to do with it.

And James Earl Ray was a third-rate thief. He made an incredible shot, one foot on a commode, one foot in a bathtub. Leaning out of a window, basically. And the next day, or that afternoon, all the shrubbery was cut in front of the flop house he was staying in. There's a lot on that one that will never be discussed. I have some friends that were there, so I guess I'm on pretty close to firsthand knowledge. But yeah, I'm sorry. I'm probably going to get audited when I walk out of the room. I just, I know it, so. Thank you, Chairlady. I yield back my 4 seconds.

Wow. He knows. Marcela, what do you want to say about that one?

I mean, I agree. You can, you know, there is no proof, you know, of it. But even if it's not through some, um, some frequencies, some machine, the machine of the fake news, of, of having this feed to you daily basis. For example, for Trump, like, as we know, TDS is sort of like a mental disorder in a way where like everything Trump, it's like in repetition and repetition after repetition, and the fear that people are driven to But I wanted to give you a positive outlook on this. So not everybody is, is able to be brainwashed. So, uh, what I mean is you have to be very susceptible type of person to have this happen to you. And so one of the things, one of the guys that keeps always talking about this, I forget his name now, but he's like, know thyself. What you will do, what you won't do. Because one of the things that they were talking about that the government can do is put thoughts in your mind, and you think it's your thought, or doubts, or anything in there. So know thyself, uh, it will be a hard thing, um, but also, um, question things, you know. So not everybody can do this, uh not everybody can be, uh, is susceptible to grabbing a gun and then shooting someone, like, even under LSD, even under these many things. Um, however, you know, um, there are individuals that are more susceptible to things. One of the things that I was going to bring up, and we, we brought up Columbine, and we brought up— I brought up Columbine and I brought up video games, but one of the other things that can that is not LSD but has changed people's, uh, mind, uh, or is alleged to have changed someone's mind and brain is SSRIs, uh, type of medicines. Um, the same with, uh, you know, um, other drugs that, that you might be taking that seem um, you know, that are just medicines.

Yeah, you know, you do have to be careful of those. And BJ is right, I just saw your comment, BJ. You know, a lot of— like when we say that universities and colleges are indoctrination camps, they really are. Um, there's another book, Owen, I was gonna say that I think could even be like a precursor to understanding, you know, why we would talk about Thomas Crookes or the the, the kid in the Charlie Kirk case. I can't remember his name. It doesn't matter. Um, but there's a book that Douglas Murray wrote called The Madness of Crowds, and it is so fascinating the, the way historically how you break down a society to make them weak and vulnerable so you can brainwash them. And, you know, you notice that these, um, would-be assassins are younger they're allegedly questioning their masculinity. But that's, that's a very systematic breakdown of a society that when you read this book, The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray, you will absolutely see it step by step by step by step by step what happened to us in this country. It is going to blow your mind and it's going to make you so livid. All right, Owen, go ahead.

I mean, once you start going down this rabbit hole it, it's kind of hard not to see it everywhere. Like, it, you know, if you go back to the book, uh, Persuasion and Influence— the, I guess, Influence primarily by Robert Cialdini, um, you know, all those persuasion techniques tie right into this. Like, the— what you're talking about with the madness of crowds, a lot of that is social approval, or, you know, getting approval from other people and being part of a group. It's appeal to authority, you know. And you can apply that to COVID, you can apply that to the Trump assassination attempts, you can apply apply that to just about all the things we see happening. All the indoctrination that's happening in schools, I think, is part of this, where, you know, I don't think it's just by accident that they decided, hey, we need to start teaching this DEI stuff all the way down to kindergarten, you know. And Scott Adams pointed out many times that kids can be convinced to just about anything, and they're very impressionable. And the younger you start, the easier it is to indoctrinate people or to brainwash them into what you, you know, what you want them to do. And, and Scott pointed out there are positive ways to do this. I mean, he talked about the Pledge of Allegiance being a form of persuasion or hypnotism or brainwashing, but that's a positive one because it causes better cohesion and, you know, gets people to feel more patriotic and do things that are good things, at least that we consider good things. And so I think, you know, once you start putting that lens on things, it's like you see the DSA stuff, you see all the other things, like everything just seems to tie into this. Um, and it's hard to know whether it came out of MKUltra, but I think, you know, it's— it as a broad category of things, yeah. I mean, people do get influenced by other people and get influenced by what they hear on the media. And I think if you are trying to protect yourself against this, one way is to be just very selective about what you let into your brain. Don't, don't subject yourself to messages that are contrary to, um, what you want to be influenced by. And, um, don't think, oh, I'm going to be that, you know, Ulysses tied to the mast and I can take it and it's no big— you know, like, no, you, you, you are influenced by things. And, um, so be careful what you're influenced by. And, and I think one way a friend of mine recommended doing it is just making sure it's all coherent, like making sure it's all, um, fitting in with your worldview as much as possible. Because if you don't, it It could literally drive you insane, you know, because you're going to keep hearing these conflicting messages and get into cognitive dissonance and not know what to do with it. And, um, you might think, well, it's just information, I can take it. But no, you're a human just like the rest of us, and we are all subject to influence. And so it's better to say, okay, I understand which direction I want to go, and I want to design my information environment now that we have this fire hose of information coming at us all the time so that I am filtering out the bad stuff and I'm only taking in the good stuff.

I think we're learning so many great lessons, you guys, because between, you know, understanding persuasion thanks to Scott Adams and how that works, and then, you know, great writers about it like Cialdini, um, and understanding that, you know, like now hearing about MKUltra and we see how people are like being indoctrinated and we see like this, the rise of communism and socialism in our country, and we see, you know, how kids are like Free Palestine and kill the Jews and this. And you're like, what is ha— This is madness, right? So it all comes from somewhere. And I'm thinking of the title Madness of Crowds. People want to feel like they're part of something, even if it's bad. And then it brings me right back to Gad Saad and suicidal empathy. We have to stand up and point the things out or we're just creating our own demise. We're watching it happen. So don't be afraid to you know, speak up and say things. Um, personally, I don't even want to hear about other countries in America. The only thing I want to hear about is America. So, um, that's also another weird thing that's happening, is that we're all fighting over other countries in America. And I'm like, what are we doing? You know, we're like, why, why are we talking about this? And so just realize, just because the news is talking about something and they're telling you that this is what you should be thinking about doesn't mean to think about it. And maybe that's why for me I get frustrated. I'm like, I don't care. I don't care about Israel and Palestine. I legitimately don't care. Like, it's their problem. I don't want people to die. Like, I care on like a humane level, but I care about this country because I see what's happening to it. And I'm not going to get distracted and I'm not going to get sucked into any, any of it. And I think that that's what we should be doing now is don't get sucked into other people's BS. We need to take care of our own house right now, what's happening here in our country. So stay focused and watch what's happening to the people around you. Like, these, these riots and these protests, they're not, they're not organic. It's like, it's mind control. I mean, these, like, what are these people doing? Like, what, what's your point? Why are you standing in front of the ICE facility in Newark screaming like lunatics? Besides the fact that you're getting paid, but what, what are you doing? It's like you're insane. So pay really close attention. Into that stuff, you guys. Um, now here's my question in the chats. Were you guys okay with this subject today? Did you hate it? Did you like it? Was it interesting? Because I was nervous about it, and, um, you know, I don't want to like freak anyone out, but if you were okay with it, you know, just say you were okay. Yes, I liked it, thumbs up, whatever. Um, just so we know that if we want to talk about it further as this goes along— I mean, I would like to. I think I think, I think, um, it's an interesting topic. So I'll read your comments and on all the platforms after. Um, so yeah. Oh, okay, good. Um, but whatever you think, let me know. All right, so can I end in a very odd way today, Owen and Marcela? Do you mind? Because, um, I want to light— well, she's like, wait, before I sign off. So let's just— I'm gonna play. So you guys, we're gonna do this and then we're gonna say our proper goodbye, and then I'm gonna do an Akira song for anyone that wants to stay. But if you've never seen this, you're in for a treat. And if you have seen this, you're in for a treat. Just 2 minutes.

I've actually been crying. I've been laughing so hard. I've been laughing for 10 minutes straight since I saw this.

George— a newscaster would hinge on several factors. One, source of information. Viewers might be more inclined to trust his statements. Conversely, if he has been wrong before or shown bias, viewers might question his claims. Three, context of the information. discrepancy would make his assertion seem less credible or might suggest that he is part of a broader misinformation— from a storytelling perspective, whether George is portrayed as a credible newscaster or as someone engaged in gaslighting Oh, I've watched this thing probably 15 times and I I literally cry every time I watch it.

Like, tears just shoot out of my eyes against my glasses.

Oh my gosh, I needed that. That is so good. I was laughing. All right, you guys, listen, as always, thank you to Scott Adams and Shelley Adler for allowing the show to go on. And thank you guys for being here. And let's have a closing sip to our beloved Scott, and the three of us will be back tomorrow, you guys. All right, to Scott Adams. Okay, you guys, today we're gonna do—

hmm, I gotta go, you guys, I have court today.

Bye, Marcella, we love you. All right, we're gonna do what— oh, here, what you think about. It starts off what you think about. Let's go.

All right, I saw a story in the South China Morning Post. It asks the question, can you train your mind to be happy? And it says yes, expert says. Would you like to know how? Would you like me to train you? With my hypnosis experience into how to be happier? All right, well, I won't hypnotize you. I'll just tell you how to do it. Number 1: Whatever you think about the most is who you are. And you can change what you think about the most. It's easy. Watch. Think about your favorite animal. Could you do it? Of course you could. Yeah, you You all had a different favorite animal, but when I said think about your favorite animal, you could do it. You could do it. You could do it. So that was when your brain was focusing on a cool thing that you liked. Favorite animal. Probably made you a little bit happy. I mean, just a little bit. But during that time you were thinking about your favorite animal, you weren't thinking about some bad thing that could have potentially put you in a bad mood. Mood or affect your energy or make you anxious or anything. Whatever you think about the most is who you are. So I just proved to you that if you just remember as a habit to change your thinking from whatever negative stuff to positive stuff, it's really that easy. Just think about stuff you like. Everybody likes something. Think about a person you'd like, an experience you had, a walk on the beach. If that's your thing. Just think about it. And reduce the shelf time that you give to the bad thoughts. Because how much you think about something is what creates the structure in your brain that becomes semi-permanent. You can usually change it, but some— it becomes a little semi-permanent. So the more you think about positive things, the happier you're going to be.

Perfect.

That was the perfect song for today, you guys. I just kind of picked them randomly by the start of the title, and that was so perfect, right, Owen? That was amazing. Um, yeah, Owen, thanks. You're a great dance partner, as I pointed out.

Mm-hmm.

All right, you guys, glad I could help. You guys, love you so much. I see all your comments. Thank you, thank you so much for being here. We'll be back tomorrow with some kind of amazing show for you, maybe a Scott Whiteboard, you never know. Owen, have an awesome day.

You too.

Thanks, guys. Bye, you guys.

Bye.

Just wait for your bye. The Jane Lane.

Bye guys!

EJ, thank you for receiving a message with, you know, with the intentions in which it was given. Thank you, EJ. Be smart. He totally did consume very carefully. Look, now I'm reading. Now I'm reading.

Aww.

Bye guys, for real.

Goodbye.