The Scott Adams School - 07/06/26 WALTER KIRN Joins. MK ULTRA and More

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Don't call me uncle, cry uncle, but don't call me uncle.

You guys, Walter Kern in the house! You guys wanted him, he heard the call, and here he is. Thank you, Walter. So just waiting for everybody to file in, and you guys, guess what? I think we had to skip about 200 sips to get out of the COVID sips. So we are going to have our first non-COVID sip with Scott Adams this morning. We go in order, Walter, of the sips, but everything's been COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID. So like he'll mention COVID and we're like, we can't take COVID anymore. So we have our first non-COVID sip today, you guys.

Good morning.

Well, I never took it seriously, so I'm in the right place.

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I love it. Joe Biden's broken brain. Amazing. Good morning, you guys. It is July 6th, 2026. The weekend was full of festivities, um, and a little bit of insanity and crazy weather and all this other stuff, but we were celebrating the 250th birthday of this amazing country, America. And who better to help us wrap up all things that we've been talking about? So I asked Walter you know, can we chat about MKUltra? We talked about it last week and you guys were so amazing with your feedback. Many of you had never heard about it, and Walter's like, let's do it. So Walter, are you ready to get into some MKUltra and a little bit of America today?

Well, I'm always ready for everything. I walk down the street ready for everything. If someone came up to me and wanted to discuss those subjects, I'd sit down with them. But I have forgotten more than I, you know, may still know about MKUltra because it's been a preoccupation of mine since I was a college student, first found out about it in the late '70s, right after it had ended.

Allegedly.

Well, as I say, they change code names. They don't end things. If they work, you can be sure they're not ending them. If they don't work, they keep going trying to make them work. So I'm sure very few of these endeavors ever end.

All right, well, so, um, Owen and Marcella, uh, we had a lot of fun talking about this last week. And, um, can I stop you with something?

I just saw the book Chaos go up, and I've got it. I've got to alert the audience to something very strange. Oh yeah, in the book Chaos, which is about the Manson family and the possible links of Charles Manson to the MKUltra program, There is a mysterious CIA agent whose job was to penetrate the LA music and hippie scene of the late '60s. And he went under a cover name. O'Neill, the author, finally found out what his real name was. But his cover name was peculiar because it's one I have only encountered once in one other person, and that's my father. Walter Kern.

No, that's amazing.

Yeah, the sort of mystery man of chaos is named Walter Kern. He spells it with an E in the book, but remember, he's just spelling a name that he's heard, what is not written down. So when I noticed that when the book first came out, people started calling me and saying, what the heck? And I thought it quite possible that this agent had stolen my father's identity. Uh, it's a—

it's—

I can tell you, a rare name. It does not exist. There are only— there are only very few Kerns with the last name K-I, but Walter is not a name I've ever heard in my life except I read it in the book on MKUltra.

Walter Kern.

Was your father big in the hippie and LA music scene?

No, he wasn't. He wasn't at all. He was a graduate of Princeton University who was at that time working for the 3M Corporation. But, you know, in the days before Google and all this cross-referencing, you could probably take somebody, you know, in Minnesota and in case anyone ever looked up the name, they would find, oh, this guy went to college and so and so, you know, you could kind of COVID your background with a false name, right?

A lot easier then than now. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. We, we were recommending the Chaos book to people also. It is very interesting. Um, well, you know what, so let's play, let's play. You were on Greg Gutfeld and he loved asking you about MKUltra, so We'll just open it up with you giving this explanation with Greg. And man, do you just look so handsome on the show with that? Oh my God, Walter, you are giving it. Let me tell you.

I just walked in off the street, man. Barely put on makeup.

Just shook down.

Yeah.

Yeah. So check him out. Be forewarned, people. He's looking good. Here we go.

Free in 5 words. Yeah. All right. Investigations into MKUltra begin. I have to go to you again, Walter, first, because this is right up your alley. Florida Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna— Ana Paulina Luna! Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba— Anyway, she announced a congressional hearing on the CIA's Cold War-era MKUltra program. It was the secret operation that tested LSD on unwitting subjects. Tell me everything you know about this. Well, one thing is that it supposedly ended in 1973, so why we're having hearings on it in 2026 is mysterious, in case— except maybe it didn't end. Now, MKUltra was a program designed to create something like remote control assassins. Yes. Using drugs and, and subliminal messages and so on. And it was targeted at individuals. But honestly, what I think it really wanted to do was not just get people to assassinate others, but get millions of people to cheer on the assassinations. I think it moved into influencing the public mind, not just the individual mind. And I think that the reason that they're having these hearings now, which is a little mysterious, is that they're hinting that some of the violence you're seeing right now is not entirely organic. That's obviously what— that's obviously what they're showing. I mean, why 50 years later? Yeah. Is your head blown?

Yeah. Yes!

This could explain a lot of Sherrod's comedy. Yeah. When were you born, Sherrod? 73. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I too—

okay, I'm just gonna stop it there because I want to talk to you, Walter. I love that. I love Sherrod, by the way, um, and obviously Greg. So is that true that they think maybe some of the shenanigans today are linked?

It's true that I think it— I mean, let's, let's be real. What kind of hearings have we, uh, And secrets have we been privy to in the first part of the Trump administration? JFK assassination. Now we're supposedly in the middle of a disclosure about UFOs. It's kind of coming and going. It's hard to say where it will end. And this MKUltra business, it's, it's clear that the secrets of the Cold War and the secrets of the American intelligence system are of some relevance to people on the inside. In a way that they haven't quite revealed to us. I mean, yeah, transparency, blah, blah, blah, you know, um, openness and all those other words. But I think they are, uh, trying to— how can I put it— cultivate the American mind for revelations that might be disturbing and even more, uh, relevant to our moment than these old CIA programs.

All right.

Yeah. So, yeah, you know, if one of the chief goals of MKUltra was to prepare assassins, to wipe minds, brainwash people such that they would be willing to carry out morally repugnant acts, uh, it could be quite relevant. We've certainly had a rash of, rash of mysterious assassinations, uh, committed by the sort of people that MKUltra focused on— young, impressionable men.

Yeah, and I mean, I mean, this show could go so deep and so down rabbit holes based on the assassination attempts, um, but that's like for Erica after dark. Nothing— I don't want to link this whole group to that stuff, but, um, it, it is something. Um, actually, will you tell them also, when we were talking before the show about the year in Vegas and what you were saying about the people that they'd bring out to the desert?

Well, in general, the history of the U.S. government's experimentation on its people and its citizens is probably as dark an episode in our history as exists. In Vegas, they, you know, according to the locals, and this is affirmed and confirmed by a lot of other historical testimony. They would pick people up off the street, you know, and believe me, in Vegas, people on the street to be picked up are everywhere, you know, last night's party has left them unconscious in a corner. And they would bring them on out to the, what was called the Nevada Test Site where they tested the atomic bomb. And, and there were, you know, many tests, it wasn't that they did it twice, and use them as witnesses, put them into trenches, blow up an atomic bomb, and then test them to see what effects it had had. So MKUltra was experimentation of another kind. It usually used things like LSD, hallucinogenic drugs, sleep deprivation. Extreme sexual stimulation was another one. I thought one of the most interesting aspects of the new hearing was this testimony about a program called Midnight Climax, in which the CIA basically had observers behind one-way glass or some other sort of veil watching men cavort with prostitutes. And then it would drug them with LSD. And I don't know, observe even more closely what they did, what they said, what they wanted. Well, the witness, in the hearings said that in fact they never really harvested any useful information from this program. But the agents involved did sleep with the prostitutes quite often. In fact, they'd basically created an excuse for an in-house brothel.

I was kind of thinking the same thing. And I think what, what kind of freaked out people that had never heard of MKUltra is that we do do some sick things to people. And I think it— I think people may have thought that's just something like in, you know, a movie, or you're watching House of Cards or some other, you know, crazy movie. But, you know, again, you guys, I'm just saying it because I don't want my car to blow up. Allegedly, my opinion, and everyone on the show, that yeah, we do really messed up things. And, and if you didn't know that, it's kind of a, a hard pill to swallow when you first start learning these things.

It's very hard to experiment on the citizens of a democratic system, which is based on consent. And so you've got a bunch of options if you want to do it. And they were determined to do it because they believed that the results of these experiments would allow them to win the Cold War, beat communist China, beat Russia, and so on. And so they either had to lie about them, Or they had to intoxicate or compromise people to get them involved. Or they had to, you know, use their own people, which they did in many cases. I mean, MKUltra drove crazy many CIA agents and government operatives, one of whom famously committed suicide by jumping out a window or perhaps being pushed. It's unclear. So These experiments, which I would submit went right on through COVID. I mean, what was COVID but a mass experiment in what people would take, what they'd believe, what they'd say, what they'd do, what they wouldn't do. Yeah. In a so-called pandemic. As I say, the thing about MKUltra disclosure that I find a little bit one-sided is We are not getting the social psychology side. We're getting the side of that sort of sexy and dramatic about people, you know, taking LSD or cavorting with prostitutes, but we're not finding out what they learned about moving millions of people using the media, which I think has been really their chief concern, frankly. Yeah, you want it. You want a few remote control killers, but what you really want is a population that will believe what you tell them, even though it's untrue. And the techniques for doing that have been studied, I can tell you, you know, from long before MKUltra came along and are still being studied and used on social media and mainstream media.

Marcela, I saw you squirming. What did you want to say?

No, it's just, you, you brought up good points about COVID and how it was You know, you went from, oh, everything's okay, to like, no, we must form a line, we must get toilet paper, we must do this, we must do that. And I'm wondering, MKUltra was an American, um, experimentation on people, but I'm wondering how far China has gone with experimentation on their own people. And I'm wondering whether they have their own I'm sure they do their own MKUltra. And I'm wondering who—

whether you're wondering whether whom— who has their own China. Of course, of course they do.

And I mean, like, COVID is— COVID and MK, uh, a US kind of brainwashing, or is it China? It's like so hard to tell nowadays.

It's your boy Fauci.

COVID was a co-production, just like the virus itself, um, between China and the US, as far as I can tell. And And I have pretty good information. You know, I belong to something called the Brownstone Institute, which is a sort of think tank, which combines a lot of the people who had questions during COVID scientists, journalists, politicians, and so on. And they've done a pretty good job of answering what actually happened. So, yeah, China has its own program. We have our own program. But, you know, you mentioned toilet paper. Let's take that. Let's isolate that. What was the toilet paper shortage all about in COVID? What really, what was it about? And I'll tell you what, it was about getting everyone on the same page. It was the first injection of hypnotically, because Scott Adams was the right man at the right time in the sense that he understood hypnosis, of hypnotically induced action. It gave everybody something they could do that melded them into a great herd of, you know, lemmings. And suddenly we're all at the grocery store looking at one another, pulling down big 12-packs of Charmin off the shelves, pushing them in our carts, and we suddenly are operating as one organism. And we're operating as a brainless organism, which is being stimulated merely by the idea of not having something to wipe our asses with.

That's interesting, though, when you think about that. Yes, everybody was like, we need toilet paper, you know, we need masks, do you have any extra masks? I need hand sanitizer, you know, all this stuff. And everybody was like on the hunt for it.

I remember an ad for one of the paper companies that manufactures toilet paper early in COVID, and it showed a truck, high, you know, a high drone shot of a semi on a lonesome highway at night, and it was delivering delivering toilet paper to the frightened Americans, even though it was dangerous to be out there on the road and in your truck and bringing things to warehouses. These, like the US Post Office, neither storm nor sleet nor dark of night would deter the toilet paper delivery. And that was another social psychology trick to convince people that while they stayed home, while they huddled, while they locked down, heroic, uh, essential workers were doing the bidding of, you know, God or the government or whoever it was that was going to save us.

Go ahead, Owen.

It just seemed to me like they pushed it as far as they could push it, almost like they were testing the limits of it though, because they had these stupid rules that would not make any sense. Like, oh, you, you have to wear a mask when you walk to your restaurant table, but you don't have to wear it when you're eating. And, or, or maybe you can, you know, just wear it between bites. But it's like, and I, you know, I took some flights during that time and it was like, you know, you have to wear a mask unless you're eating and then you're okay. As long— you can eat for as long as you want, but you just keep eating, you know, you have to wear your mask when you're not eating. And, and then, you know, they had like the Summer of Love thing where they're like, well, that's more important than— so we can just let everybody have these mass protests where everybody's packed together.

And it's just— What masks did— well, first of all, giving people contradictory instructions, instructions that make no sense, is another psychological control technique. Because once people start doing things without a reason, illogical things, once their obedience no longer resides in their logical mind, but it's simply a matter of hearing instructions and following them no matter whether or not they make sense, and especially when they don't make sense, then you have crossed the boundary inside the individual in which they have themselves become remote control beings. I remember the nadir, the low point of COVID illogic for me was on a plane. And, you know, remember, masks were incredibly important on planes. And the flight attendant pushes up the Coke tray or the, you know, the cart and says something to me, what do I want? And I, Diet Coke. Well, she said, what? Because I'm speaking through a mask. She said, what? So I pull the mask down and said, Diet Coke. Put the mask back up. Well, you either want to hear me speak clearly or you want me to wear a mask, but it can't be both. And her and was a she in this case. Her sternness with me was also troubling because what masks did was they turned us into prisoners and guards. There's a famous Stanford Prison Experiment, which is part of the history of American social psychological experimentation, in which they divided test subjects into guards and prisoners in order to see just how sadistic they could get normal people to to behave if they were given uniforms and the status of guards. And we gave flight attendants and other people the status of guards in this vast experiment. And we found out that they could be stern, illogical, rather sadistic, and unrelenting if given a little bit of authority. And we found out that people on planes would apologize for taking down their mask in order to speak because they were commanded to be more clear. And I don't think anybody wants to remember COVID particularly who, you know, wasn't really seriously affected by it because our behavior was so shameful, so childish, so ridiculous. And really, I think humiliating that we've put it all in the past.

And I do agree that there's enough of us now that are just like, absolutely never again are we going to allow you to control the masses with nonsense. I mean, right.

Well, you know, yes, we thought that, we thought that that was our nature as Americans before COVID came along. We thought we were rebellious, independent individualists who, you know, thought for ourselves and questioned authority and so on. We were told that that's exactly who we were. Well, we found out otherwise. And I'm afraid that the confidence of a lot of COVID skeptics, meaning people who found the whole experiment rather distasteful and horrifying, is probably misplaced. Because though there are a lot of people who won't get fooled again, the whole song, the Who song, Won't Get Fooled Again, is 50 years old. And we did get fooled again, meaning it's probably innate in us that we're going to respond to authority largely with submission.

I hope that the vaccine aftermath will persuade more people, though, to stay strong. Okay, so for me, I've disclosed this before, I didn't get any vaccines. I was just like, absolutely not. I'm not afraid of a needle. I was afraid of being experimented on. And that's how I saw it immediately. Not even a second did I consider getting it. And man, oh man. All right. First of all, the strongest people were the ones that had to take the shit from people about not getting vaccinated. And like, besides the media freaking out on you, like friends that were like, you can't come over and don't be near me, you know, and it was like, I don't— listen, I don't care. I don't care about your baby shower or you're this or you're that. I'm, I'm worried about myself at this point. But, and then I think seeing like what injuries have happened and, you know, all the problems with the vaccine now with people's health, I think a lot of people that just got in line and did it. And I get it, fear is— fear is very compelling. So you're afraid, you know, whatever, and you got these vaccines whether you wanted to or not. And then maybe some of you got sick or worse, and it's awful. And I feel bad for everybody that felt like they had to do it for their job. And I'm like, forget your job, don't worry, like screw your job, don't do it, don't do it. But I get it, fear is fear. But I feel like with what happened after and what we're hearing now about the vaccine, um, that that is going to create a lot more warriors than the next time.

So I feel like it might and it might not. There's a term that's used with abandon, cognitive dissonance, which people don't understand. They think it's the ability or the inability to hold conflicting ideas in your mind. That's not what cognitive dissonance is. It's not the clash between two mutually exclusive ideas. What it is, and it was discovered by social scientists in the early 1960s in Chicago. They went and they embedded themselves in an apocalyptic cult whose leaders told them the world was going to end. And these psychologists hypothesized that when the world didn't end, people would not abandon the cult. They would renew, they would reinforce their own loyalty, because they couldn't face the fact that they'd been fooled. Cognitive dissonance is the ego trying to rescue itself from the horrible, horrible revelation that it is puny and that it is easily tricked. And in case of the vaccine, there are a lot of people who the last— for whom the last thing they want to do is admit that, that the government and industry mass psychology campaign convinced them to stick into their bloodstream and into the heart of their genetic material, not just their bloodstream, the, the, the, the, you know, heart of their cellular makeup, an unknown substance with unknown effects. And, and rather than And rather than admit to themselves that they were fools or that they were dupes or that they were innocents or that they were exploited or that they're dying now because of it, they want to switch to something else. You know, let's get mad about capitalism. See, a lot, a lot of what I see right now in the revolutionary fervor in America to find, you know, to find bad guys, Epstein, etc., not that they weren't bad, is, I think, displaced anger and displaced conflict from people who were so willingly and easily duped. And they have to have something to be mad about that isn't themselves for being so damn stupid and especially so careless with their children's lives.

Oh man, I know. It's so true. Owen, did you want to jump in here?

Well, it, it seems kind of obvious to me in one respect how this was all a psyop, because like if you remember the Operation Warp Speed, like under Trump, all the press started coming out early on saying, I'm not taking that vaccine, that's not— we can't trust that, it's going too fast. And then the narrative completely flipped just to the completely other side saying this is safe and effective, it's the, you know, the best thing ever. And there was no scientific basis for any of that.

Trump and Biden. That was—

But remember, they withheld the actual vaccine until Biden— until after Trump was out of office.

Yeah.

Because the rollout of the thing socially, getting people actually to sit down in Walgreens and all the other places. I mean, in Montana, they vaccinated people in bars. Imagine getting vaccinated in a little bar casino on the side roads of Montana. Well, I can tell you that's where where it happened a lot of the time. They knew that Trump couldn't be trusted to actually execute on this weird program. And he wanted the credit, apparently, and his own ego was big enough that he wanted the credit for its development. But there was no way they were going to trust him with actually getting it into people's bodies. And that— for that, they saved the automaton The nearly malfunctioning robot, Joe Biden.

Yeah.

Amazing. Well, you know what, this might be like a good segue right now. So I, I like how we didn't just like totally stay on like the whole MKUltra experiments specifically, but we stayed—

MKUltra is short.

Or did we?

The scary thing about MKUltra is the K. Okay. Uh, why do they always put Ks in for Cs? You know, I thought the Ku Klux Klan did that. I didn't know that CIA did it. But MK stands for mind control. And we've been talking about mind control this whole time. And the reason— and the reason that the subject is fertile is because we are all touched by the findings of this program as individuals and as a country, as a mass.

Yes. And I have to admit, I did not watch this clip because I saw the captions and the headlines and I just was like, I was having a rough weekend and I'm like, I'm not watching it. I'm not watching it. Watching this man sitting at George Washington's desk to just shove it up your ass. I'm sitting at Washington's desk, everybody, and here's what I'm going to say to you. But I don't even know how long it was, but I have a clip. It's a little bit over a minute and now I'm going to hear it. But here we go.

Nearly a decade ago, I too felt what you feel. The joy of no longer being just a New Yorker, but an American too. You each hold a special power, the power to determine what America means. The powerful have always known their answer. America, in their view, is an arena of supremacy where only a select few are allowed freedom, where not all are created equal. America, if you ask them, becomes less the more people it welcomes. America, they will tell you, belong only to those with the right accent or the right shade of skin. The rest of us, they insist, should be grateful for merely being allowed to visit. How small they are. How weak. How unoriginal. At every moment in our past, those who led through exclusion and isolation have tried to win power and enrich themselves by turning us against one another. Division is the oldest trick in politics and the cheapest. But time and again, including 250 years ago, those forces of division have been vanquished by the forces of progress. Nearly a decade ago—

ooh, happy 250th, everybody!

Can I go off? I mean, I don't get to go on this show very often, and this is one of the most intelligent and curious audiences in existence. Uh, my, my, it's my privilege to address them today. This was MKUltra in practice. And let me just analyze the clip we saw, which I haven't seen. I mean, I saw the whole speech, but I haven't seen this clip isolated. It started with a hypnotic technique. I too felt what you feel. So he's going to tell us what we feel. He has made himself a surrogate for us, a replacement a sort of projection of us. He said he feels what we feel, and then he goes on to tell us what he feels, which we logically supposedly feel too. And one of those things is that America has always, always— whenever you hear the word always, be sure that you're being deceived, because there's not one thing in the world that happens always. And he says that America always felt that it was less the more people it received. Well, then why are you here, sir? I mean, if America discouraged immigration and felt that it was less every time a new immigrant came, then how did you get in? Under some special program? Under some special forgiveness? Did you sneak in? No, America obviously felt it was enriched by immigration, which is why we have a damn Statue of Liberty. And so on. But he takes our very strengths and he uses them as evidence of wrongdoing. He uses his very existence as some sort of example of what? I mean, it's America's tolerance and patience and frankly, welcome of immigrants that's responsible for him being there. But as again, I say, he's trying to lead us, you know, as Scott Adams would say, lead us and pace us move us down a track of beliefs without logic and without actual explanation by getting into our heads. And then one of the next things he says is, and I don't know if it's in this clip, but in the speech he says, America has Americans, the exclusive Americans who I guess have always been there, been here and aren't immigrants themselves. I mean, wait, he's addressing immigrants. He's addressing the children of immigrants and the grandchildren and the great-grandchildren like me. But he's saying that we, Walter Curren, the people who want to put up the barriers, the people who want to block immigration or, you know, toss people out. I've always said, love it or leave it, America, love it or leave it. If you don't like it, get out. Well, that's a phrase from the '60s. I haven't heard it for a long time. It was what supposedly right-wingers and Merle Haggard fans and Okies from Muskogee said to communists. It had nothing to do actually with immigration. Love it or leave it was supposedly what right-wingers said to left-wingers back in the '60s and '70s. So what he's subtly trying to do is identify his belief system, the democratic socialist, you know, socialist belief system with true Americanism and saying they've always been discriminated against. And he's somehow trying to appropriate the experience of immigrants for use politically as cover for belief system, as though all immigrants believe what he did or naturally would if they weren't oppressed. But in fact, we all know that to be different because if you have an immigrant history in your family, like I do on my mother's side of poor Hungarian immigrants who came to the Lower East Side of the United States, they were the most patriotic, the most love it or leave it, the most anti-communist, later. I mean, they came before, they came before communism was really an issue in the United States. Um, uh, the fact is they got a problem, which is that immigrants, once they get a foothold in America, tend to be the most conservative people there are. They, they, they usually start small businesses and that is their foothold in America. Nothing makes you more of a conservative like having a tiny restaurant which you want to shield from the inspectors and the mob that wants to break your window and so on. So he's full of contradictions. He has no logic. His very presence undermines the content of his words. He wants us to identify with him and he expects that we will. Well, isn't the fact that he can address us this way testimony to the fact that what he's saying isn't true? That we will, that we will elect him and that we will tolerate him, that we will put his message on national media is proof that what he's just said isn't the case, or else guards would have come into the room and taken him away.

Yes. So true. All right, Owen, go ahead.

Well, I think to me it is just a ridiculous thing to do on the 20th, 250th. And, you know, it was probably made even more hilarious that he was sitting on the wrong side of the desk.

Well, whether he was sitting on the wrong side of the desk or not doesn't matter. It was George Washington's desk. George Washington, who's practically the Joker in the Mondani universe. I mean, he's the arch villain. What's he doing sitting at his desk? Oh, beating it with a hammer. Should he have been sitting at some other desk? Except that's like somebody denouncing fascism while sitting at Hitler's desk.

Well, he really seems like he's sort of almost cast in this role to be this smooth talker to usher in the wave of communism.

He's an actor.

He's an actor.

He's a would-be rapper. He's been, you know, how can I put it, identified. Groomed, trained, and advised, and continues to be, to play the role of New York mayor at this time. He shows, if you watch the whole speech, such historical literacy that it's really laughable for anybody who, you know, went through 10th grade in America. He acts like the Statue of Liberty has been there forever. It hasn't. He acts like Every wave of immigration was beaten back or somehow opposed in a large way. Now, we had anti-immigrant parties in the United States. We, the Ku Klux Klan was to some degree, not just an anti-Black movement, but an anti-immigrant movement. None of what he says is absolutely untrue. In the sense that there are grains of truth, but the way he puts it together is contradictory, nonsensical, self-subverting, and finally, just an experiment in what can I get people to believe.

Doesn't he remind you of Obama?

Well, you know, he's a groomed and put in a part. So I went to Washington for the RFK confirmation hearings, the first time, and I had the privilege of sitting just feet away from RFK as he was grilled by this horseshoe of senators. And I was so close to the senators that I saw them in a way that you don't see them on TV. I saw when they came in, I saw when they talked to their aides, I saw what they did when they knew they weren't on camera and so on. And I can tell you that it will never leave me. Because what I saw were actors preparing for their roles, being given their lines, often not delivering them very well. I saw them every time they were called out or contradicted or, you know, sort of exposed, go into a kind of blank, you know, broken stare like liars or actors who are exposed always do. And This is just another version, Mamdani, of the Obama program. Basically, the Democrats particularly have cast a boy band. And we all know that boy bands are artificial. They're, you know, they're the response to open casting calls and they go, okay, we'll need a cute one who looks innocent, kind of a Paul McCartney style. We'll need a dark brooding one who never speaks and is sexy. We'll need this one and that one. That one. And essentially the Democratic Party is a giant boy band. And, but it's got girls in it too, of course. And it's cast racially and in terms of gender, but mostly it's cast in terms of affect or comportment or behavior. And now we have Mamdani. He's not like Obama, a swooping gospel style orator. He is a— he's like, to me, he's like a little jackhammer. His speech and manner are very monotonous, very picky, a little bit robotic, I found, especially in that one. See, the big problem, the big problem for his producers in that video was that it wasn't very good. It made him look small. It made him look surrounded and controlled. And he sat at a desk that for various reasons of size and age made him look out of place.

Mm-hmm.

It looked like it belonged, but he didn't look like he belonged at it. And I think it was a huge misstep in the, in the moviemaking, uh, that is our current version of politics.

That's a great observation. You're so right. It, it didn't land. For sure.

No, it didn't land. And they tried to combine too many elements at once. Yes, they want— he should have been alone at the desk. The woman standing next to him with the little, you know, flag that looks like it belongs in a birthday cake or maybe stuck into the handlebars of a children's bike. She just ruined everything. Whatever gravity or, you know, kind of seriousness he was trying to project was just ridiculed at every moment visually by the presence of that.

And they all had that face, that sour face. Yeah.

Terrible. Because they stood in for us. They were supposed to represent America. Just as Madame Donny was supposedly channeling our thoughts, I feel what you feel. Those people were supposed to be the kind of quilt or the melting pot of America and represent all the different groups and so on. But the flag was held in the limpest fashion possible. I couldn't tell if she was proud of holding it. I know she was from the content of the thing, or if she thought it was radioactive and had germs on it. And she wanted to keep it in there to sort of screw up our minds, but really otherwise wouldn't touch the thing.

Like Damien going into church. I tell you, they're holding that flag like, ah, uh, go ahead, Owen, you were gonna say something.

As ridiculous as all of this is, and you know, I do think a lot of it's very radical, very extreme, and not very persuasive, it still seems like they're having a lot of success. They're still at least winning a bunch of primaries, and we already have some people that I would say are already enemies of America in Congress, like the Squad and all that. Um, how do we counteract this? How do we resist it? How do we get people to not fall prey to it?

By not being lazy. Uh, by not being lazy, by getting up and doing the very simple things that most people just don't do at this point in America. The reason that the DSA or the radical left or what Trump calls the communists are able to prevail in these elections is that most people don't vote and they especially don't vote in primaries. And these are Democratic primaries, remember. So, um, uh, these candidates can kind of walk through if they have a certain level of organization, funding, and fervor behind them. And, uh, so they depend on a very lazy, very non-participatory mindset, uh, in their own party to get these people on the ballot. Now, now they're on the ballot. What about getting them actually elected? Well, they're elected in Democratic strongholds mostly. Um, and you know, who elect the Democrat no matter who they are. Um, and so it all goes tick-tock and it's a machine.

But that, I mean, that's still a big problem. I mean, that's probably a third of the country at least.

Well, yes, but the question is how do you oppose it or how do you counter And you counter it by getting off your lazy ass because the whole thing depends on people who are being motivated by money and ideological fervor and frankly grudges, you know, because most of the motivational content of these speeches isn't based around inspiration. It's based around making you angry, dissatisfied, and wanting revenge. And so I would say that in some ways the way to counter them is to get even angrier yourself.

And do what though? Get off our lazy ass and do what?

Like vote for one thing.

Well, yeah.

Observe those vote counters in those places which actually still allow it and don't hamper the observation process. To play the game especially of mail-in voting and ballot harvesting, which is apparently how it works. Now, yeah, well, if you think yourself too good for that, if you're handing it to them, I'm afraid that those who wish to, those who wish to prevail in this fight are going to have to lower their standards for their own behavior. I hate to say it, but, you know, I can be Walter Kern, Oxford graduate, in a Vegas street fight with knives. But unless I take out a knife, I'll probably lose. Quoting them John Locke or, you know, Paradise Lost or Shakespeare won't probably do it. I'll have to get down into the dirt. And the dirt is where this damn thing is fought. And so be it. If you're too good for it, well, you're going to be its victim.

I always try to encourage everybody that, you know, we had Gad Saadon and The Suicidal Empathy book is great, and it's— and that's what I said gets us here, is we don't want to be called a name. You know, we were told not to call it out when we see it, and I'm like, please, you know, it's like, it's a matter of life or death for this country, and who cares? Like, who cares what they call you?

I disagree at this point.

You do?

I, I, I think that people's fear of being called a name— if you've been on Twitter for 5 seconds and stayed on Twitter, you no longer fear being called a name. You get called names there constantly. If you went through COVID and you, you know, went upstream against any of the commands, you got treated rather poorly. I think that, you know, that's a big excuse for the fact that you don't want to have to go out of your way. And you can say, oh, I'm afraid of what my kids will say at Thanksgiving, or I'm afraid of being pointed at on the street or called a name. But really, if you're that much of a jellyfish, you probably even wouldn't be alive at this point. You know, we live in a competitive society. What it's really, what you really don't want to do is get up off your ass, which I say only because it was coaches and my dad and people like that who scourged me with that. And I think they were right. The biggest asset that people like Mondani have are the laziness of other people. And one way to cover our laziness is to say, yeah, it doesn't matter what we do, or we'll be treated badly, or we'll lose our jobs. We'll have a little courage and find out what happens.

Yes, I fully agree. That's a better way of putting it, you guys. You think I get spicy, but that's the way to say it. Like, stop being lazy and don't be a you-know-what and just get up and do the thing and make other people uncomfortable.

You know, we're watching the World Cup right now, a lot of us, whether we are soccer fans or not, because if you go to a restaurant, it's up on the TV, especially here in Vegas where they, you know, the betting capital of the world. And imagine one side, one of the two soccer teams deciding that it was giving up because it didn't want to be screamed at by the fans of the other side.

Right. Right.

You lose. You know, imagine one side deciding that the rules of soccer are unfair and just sitting down or refusing to come out on the field or not kick. Well, you lose. In the end, one of Donald Trump's crude, vulgar, but I think very true behavioral lessons is you fight back, you fight back, you fight back. You don't look good. You maybe don't sound good. You maybe use coarse language, but mostly you fight. And, you know, America almost lost the Civil War. I mean, the United— the federal government of the United States, the North, nearly lost the Civil War. Because it really wasn't willing to go dirty. When it did, it won. When Sherman and Grant and the other generals who kind of didn't give a damn and were victory at all costs type got in the seat, it won. Until then, it had great difficulty.

So we need to be willing to do MKUltra on people?

No, we need to be willing to be the person who during an MKUltra experiment says, hey, I don't like what you're doing. I'm pulling off these headphones. I'm throwing up the pill you just gave me. I'm standing up from the desk. I'm not listening to the rules you're giving me. I'm not playing the game. Wait, I'm being experimented on? Well, I'm kicking over the table. You know, there's a little girl in all of us who I think is underappreciated, who when she's losing the Monopoly game, You know, sort of gets up and says, I'm not playing anymore. Well, it is very legitimate to say, I'm not playing. You're going to play my game now.

Yeah, I love that. I love that, Walter. I'm always saying, you know, don't be afraid, you guys. And also don't feel like you have to go up to the most radical person. You're not changing that person's mind. You're not changing the mind of the professional protester. But there are so many moderate people that they too, uh, you know, don't want like a confrontation. But if you can like talk to people and just say, listen, you know, what do you want, your country to be taken over? Is that what you want for your grandkids? You know, look around, don't you see the changes and what's happening? You know, you don't have to, you don't have to be like a Walter Kern or a Scott Adams to have a discussion with somebody. Discuss things with people that you know and just let them know how you feel. And I think also like we talked about this, like for— I was saying back with COVID if maybe if we had said to people more like, listen, I'm not getting the vaccine, I don't trust it, blah blah blah, maybe some other neighbors would have been like, you know what, that's a good point. And you know, when people start to see other people having a conversation, more people will come to it. But if you only see these lunatics screaming at you and calling names, you're like, I'm not going to get involved in this, like, I don't want to have this drama. But have the drama, just have it.

And I like it when lunatics screaming.

I mean, a lot of people don't, but a lot of people are afraid of— I don't care either. Listen, Italian, New Jersey, I'm all for it. But some people, you know, they don't like the conflict and they don't want to deal with it. But you know what, other people will hear what you're saying that aren't lunatics and maybe be like, you know what, I feel the same way too. I'm so glad you said something. I've been feeling this way. And now you've like created an atmosphere for more people to come out of the closet and say I do want to fight for my country and I do see it slipping away, but they won't know that you feel that way if you don't say something.

The key to what you should do in any, um, in, in any conflict usually lies in doing what your enemy is doing successfully and doing it more.

Okay.

Um, it doesn't lie in being too big for the conflict, but also all you have to remember when you watch a Mamdani or somebody like that is that they're lying because your own experience tells you that America is a very different place than he's describing. I go to a gym in Las Vegas here, you know, I'm looked up at sometimes as, you know, the quintessential straight white male, the guy who doesn't know anything. And probably I have money because I went to an Ivy League college and so on. Well, I go to a gym in Las Vegas that is the biggest melting pot I ever have witnessed on the American shores. Las Vegas is an immigrant community. People come here because you don't need an education to park cars or clean rooms or so on and get a foothold in the American economy. And at this gym, I see every race, every race. Frankly, I see every gender, genders I didn't even know existed, sitting in the big weight room, helping each other lift weights. You know, in dangerous situations in which you might drop something on yourself, somebody of another race or with fake boobs who may not be female comes running up to grab your bar. America, you are being lied to about your own nature, your own personality, and your own environment. And when you find outliers, all you have to do is tell them that they're lying.

Yeah.

You don't have to prove them wrong. You know what's right. You know what's true. You know what you've seen. Stand by it. You don't have to explain it. And you don't have to engage in their rhetorical arguments. You know, if I know who I am and I know what I've seen, it is not my job to convince others. It's my job to act on it and to call out those who are lying about it. And I don't have to win every argument.

Right.

Simply have to be unpersuadable, to be strong.

Yeah, stand in your convictions. Stand in what you know, you guys. It's okay. And just try it. For those of you that are so worried about it, just try it and you're going to survive it. And you're going to be like, oh my God, I did something. Like Scott Adams would say, be useful. I did that thing to be useful for the good of my country. And it's just those little steps. And if we all do it together, it's So important. We're at such a wacky point where—

so much more fun.

It is fun.

Aren't the best games come from behind games? Aren't the best causes lost causes? Isn't every movie about somebody coming from behind or underneath, on the— from the outside? Well, don't you want to be part of the drama and fun that is American democracy? Well, it involves a little conflict.. And it involves a little bit of colorful behavior and language, but hey, your heart's still beating. Let it beat a little harder.

That's right. All right, Marcela, do you want to chime in here?

So for him to give the speech itself means America and immigrants have triumphed, you know, because he himself, Mendonca, he's an immigrant. That's one thing is like he doesn't recognize that. He doesn't recognize—

well, he uses it when he wants to, and then he uses it when he wants to, and then he sort of drops the veil of amnesia over it. Oh, he doesn't—

I cannot be successful, you know. But one thing I do have to point out is that he— his speech wasn't meant for us. His speech was meant for his people, and it works with them. The resentment that they feel uh, against the other and the successful and the lazy. They, they want to have— and the weak, you know. So it works for them. And like you said, don't be lazy, because that's one of the things that communism has, is that other people will work for you while you get their riches. Literally, in Cuba, they would move into mansions of other people, you know, because you couldn't earn it. But then they couldn't keep them up, you know. So it's this idea, these lies that he sells. So I, I think he made it— the way that he made it was in fact what he wanted. He wanted to look small because he wanted to look weak, because that sells for them. The fact that he sat behind the desk of George Washington, I think he— that was on purpose.

Oh, it was a, it was a giant fail Marcella, for people.

It's a giant fail for us, but not for them.

Well, I'm not so sure, and I'll tell you why.

Okay.

I think that, you know, if it's— if the point of that speech was to arouse rage and, you know, stimulate activism and so on, I don't think it worked because I've seen speeches of demagogues that whip people into a fury. He looked more like the submissive recipient of energy than a giver of energy. I felt that that was a big drain hole in which revolutionary fervor just went from the air down a hole and out of the system. The true believers will believe anything. He could have sat there and recited Dr. Scott Adams. Suss, and they would have, you know, who would have believed him? But, but, but, but, but, but he didn't, he didn't increase anything with that. I think he decreased something even for his own self.

Did you notice everybody sitting near him? You don't have the shot of all of them. They're all ugly. I'm sorry, they're all ugly, fat, and different type.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, I did notice.

You, you can, you You can be one of us, you know, because when you look at a picture of President Trump and his family and they look shiny and wonderfully dressed, you know, sometimes I'm like, oh, can I ever look like that? You know? And so he, he, that's why I think he, he, it was the, the decisions to have those people next to him and have that desk was, well, he's the best looking of all of them.

Isn't that strange? He's somebody who obviously spends a lot of time at the mirror. His wife too is very good looking. And they both care about their dress, their grooming, his mustache, and you know, his hair.

His smile and his dimples. You're like, oh yeah.

He wanted a situation in which he could pop, you know, in which he looked even better compared to the others. But strangely, I think he blended into them rather than them I agree. A frame.

He's the only one sitting too.

Yeah.

So the other thing—

Trump move, sitting there.

Yeah, they can stand and hold their flags. That oppressor.

Yep.

The other point I want to make while you were talking, um, you just— you're just amazing the way that you talk, the way that you make someone think while you're talking. One of the things that I realized— I didn't realize it before— is you're right, Biden had to come because it— Trump could not lead this project of what COVID was supposed to be. And one of the things is, like, I'm thinking back to MKUltra and how you can control someone's mind so easily. You need somebody that was very susceptible to control in their mind. And I was like, ooh, because Joe Biden was a very different person before he took office, and then once he took office I don't know.

Well, he was a very different person maybe back in the '80s, but, you know, anybody who followed Joe Biden closely knew that he was burnt toast by, you know, by the time 2015 rolled around, just about.

Oh yeah. All right.

I can't— Kamala was also very different. I would have to say I'm from California.

Say her name 3 times or she'll appear. Don't do it. Um, I'm like, all right, so we went a little bit over, Walter. I'm sorry, it's 11:02. Um, but I can't believe how fast an hour goes when Walter's here. It's amazing. You give us so much to think about. You've— you're— you remind everybody of Scott Adams, you know, like the way you're just— you just are a philosopher, you're a thinker, you're very thoughtful, and, um, And you're very kind. Thank you. Well, no, you paint, you paint great pictures for us and you give us encouragement to not be lazy, you know, to fight for this country. You guys, it's our country and we want to, we want to fight, fight not just for the country, fight for reality.

Yeah, fight for reality. You may or may not feel great about the United States all the time. You may have your own problems with certain policies or wars or other aspects of governance. But fight for the reality. Fight for the people at the gym who do take care of each other, who don't say love it or leave it, who aren't kicking each other out and so on, and are helping each other lift the weights. Fight for your everyday reality.

And I like the idea too, Walter, in closing, of just letting people know that they're lying. You're lying about what you're saying the country is. I love that because it's a strong word and it's something that we as normal people wouldn't normally say to somebody, you're lying. But then again, you're called a Nazi, a sexist, a racist, this or that. So I think I can be like, well, you're a liar.

Well, you know, Mamdani started his thing by saying he felt what I feel.

Yeah, that's a lie.

I don't feel anything like you do and I don't have to prove it. I merely have to assert it because I am the one who understands my own experience. Experience, not you.

That's amazing. Okay, so you guys, are you so excited we have Walter today? And he, he will hopefully always come back again and again. It's such a good time when you're here, Walter. Thank you so, so much. Um, we always say thank you to Scott Adams and Shelley Adams for allowing this show to go on. And thank you to every single person here that shows up and participates and listens. And your feedback is amazing. And, um, you guys, I will stay after with you guys for a minute, and, um, we'll let our guest Professor go, and you and Marcel and Owen, if you have to go, go. And I will play a song from Akira the Don, one of our Scott songs. And so let's go out there, you guys. Let's be useful. Let's do— let's remember this show every day when you're out there making decisions and talking to people, okay? In other words, be useful. And let's have a closing sip. To Scott, you guys. To Scott.

To Scott.

Cheers.

Thank you, Walter. Thank you so much, you guys. Owen and Marcela. Okay, so Walter, I'll kick you out for you.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Thanks.

Oh, I cut him off. I cut off Walter. Okay, Owen, are you gonna stay? Are you going?

I'm going. Okay, later everybody.

Thanks, though. Okay, you guys, let's see. We are— oh, you know what, let's do the payoff. I feel like the payoff is something amazing. Amazing. So, and thank you guys for being here today. We love when Walter's on. So good. Okay, let's try the payoff. I feel like I pick the song that we need to hear.

What if laziness is a habit of thinking about the cost of things or the effort instead of thinking about the payoff? The payoff.

That's what Walter said.

You going to say it get the payoff. Get a few more heads to explode. What if you could reverse laziness by simply developing a habit of thinking more about, let's say, the delicious food that you'd like to enjoy instead of how long it would take you to get up and go get it?

Get after it.

But the real question is, if you were to test this at home and try to see if you can think more about the good about outcome and less about the work, would you get it done? What if laziness is a habit of thinking about the cost of things or the effort instead of thinking about the payoff? The payoff. I'm gonna say it again. The payoff. And get a few more heads to explode. Why is it that people have a second child? You know, why does a woman who goes through this awful, awful childbirth have a second child? Don't they always say the same thing? If I remembered how bad this was, I wouldn't do it again, right? So the not thinking about the effort is vital to actually the survival of humanity. If we focused on how hard it was to have a baby, you just wouldn't do it. Or you'd do too little of it. But if you focus on how awesome it would be to have a family, well, there you go. You're gonna go through the pain because you've already— you've already committed. You're gonna go through the pain because you've already— you've already committed. What if? Laziness is a habit of thinking about the cost of things before the effort instead of thinking about the payoff. The payoff. I'm going to say it again. The payoff. Get a few more answers for— Am I ambitious or do I simply have a thinking habit which produces dopamine because I'm thinking about the positive outcome. And is the dopamine the thing that gets me up and moving? And when you're observing me, you say, how the hell do you get so much done? And how do I do it? I think it's just this. I think it's just this. When I think of all the things I do, I think about them in terms of their benefits. What if laziness is a habit of thinking about the cost of things or the effort instead of thinking about the payoff. The payoff. I'm going to say it again. The payoff. Let's get a few more heads to it. The payoff. The payoff. The payoff. So here's your tip. It's going to change some of your lives. Think about the positive, not about the work, and see what that does to you.

The perfect song always gets picked, right? I mean, there is no non-perfect song when it comes to Akira and Scott Adams. All right, I love that, you guys. I feel energized and motivated, and I feel like you guys are too. So that is amazing. So we are going to get out there this week, and you know, it's like I felt like after the Fourth of July, like, we've got to really kick in now. We have midterms coming up, we have a country to save, and I feel like we— like Walter said, we are the smartest group, we understand things, and we're willing to do things. So I love that Scott is definitely smiling down on all of us for sure, you guys. All right, so we'll be back tomorrow. Oh, you guys, I have a new guest professor coming on on Friday, someone I really have always liked. When should I tell you? I'll tell you Wednesday. But so we're gonna have a new guest professor on for Friday. He's going to be the perfect ending to a week, and I— a ton of you know who he is, and if you don't know him yet, you're gonna love him. So remind me, remind me on Wednesday to tell you who's coming on on Friday. Okay, all right, you guys, so love you so much. I see all your comments. I always rewatch the show and I go through all the comments to make sure that like everyone's good and happy. And, um, that's it. Yes, I gave you a tease. Can I get Matt Taibbi? I don't know. It's not Matt Taibbi, that I can tell you. But who knows who we can get, you guys? We can do anything, right? Alright, so I will see you guys tomorrow. Hope everyone's doing great. Have a great rest of your day, you guys. Love you so much.

Bye!