The Scott Adams School - 08/20/26 Brian Roemmele Joins Erica & Owen.

There's Stephen, right on time.

Oh, Lang!

Mm-hmm.

He's always first if I don't pre-start the stream. Way to go! Look who's here, you guys. It's Brian. All right, good. Yeah, locals is going. Let me just. I have to definitely give it a minute for YouTube. So, Brian, we haven't seen you in so long while we're waiting for everyone to come in. I know. And you know, I don't know if you ever saw this clip of Dr. Drew, and he was like laughing at me because he's like. Erica's over here muscling through the Scott Adams School and she will make sure you get on the show. And I was like, I was like, yes, I do. I want the Sippers to have the best guests. And, uh, then thank you for being here again.

Honored. Really honored.

Aw, thanks. So Owen, we missed you yesterday, but we know you had some things to take care of. And you guys, Marcella is doing attorney stuff today. But the home team will be back tomorrow to finish out the week. So how was your day yesterday, Owen, while people come in?

It was good. It was busy. I just had a lot of work to do from the time I woke up to the time I went to sleep. I had a meeting with some people in India, so they had it at like, you know, really late at night for me.

Oh, right.

But it went well.

Yay.

What do you do during the day, Owen, if I can ask?

Uh, I have, I have a job in technology consulting. So I work for one of the big firms that you probably know the name of and, um, you know, help, help various clients solve their technology problems.

Love it.

We tease Owen because he's, you know, a little bit incognito. So we're like, you know, he's at work for the agency. So it's a running joke. But I, all right, I think we all had a chance to come in and, um, Whoo, do I need a sip. I think you guys need a sip, so let's kick it off.

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I'm interested in that whiteboard. It looked like it was about AI dumping on Black people or something.

I think it was that Google problem that they had, if I remember.

Not AI dumping on Black people.

Well, I just saw at the top of the chart it said AI and activists, and on the very bottom was Black people. And like, I'm just like, okay, where is that going?

I'm telling you, like I said, Yeah, I always say, I'm telling you, when I go through the lessons that Scott has given, nobody has done more to try to dispel or cure or whatever racism than Scott. There's so, so many whiteboards about racism and how to handle things and whatever. So good for him. All right, so Brian, you guys, Brian Romley's back with us. My name is Erica. We are at the Scott Adams School And I'm joined by my co-host Owen today. And we're always, always thrilled to have you back, Brian. You are just— in the show notes today, I was like, how do you even describe Brian? And actually, Brian, I was thinking that, how— like, if somebody says, what do you do? How do you answer that?

I really don't have an answer. I mean, most of the stuff that earns me income, I don't have a business card that I could write about it. So, I mean, you know, the boss that I've worked for is my customer. You know, my entire life I run my own company. So I don't really even know. And I go from one thing to another, which is usually technology related. But I've done a lot of coaching. I worked with the Vans Warped Tour. If people remember that, it was a punk tour. Helped a lot of artists find their muse. their ability to be creative. So I worked with a lot of creative people. I don't talk too much about that lately, but that was a big part of my earlier life was, you know, what, where does creativity come from? How can somebody bring up that creativity? I think it's gonna be a much more important thing into the future.

You know.

What made, what made you decide to go into your own business instead of like a traditional job? And how did you find your first customers?

Well, I got into my own business because I was living in a car when I was in high school. My parents lost everything. I didn't have the opportunity. I wanted to be a physicist. I went to Princeton University my last 2 years in high school in a special program. I didn't get university credits. They didn't have that program at the time. But I wanted to be a physicist, a subatomic particle physicist, which quantum and astrophysicist. Those things didn't turn out because I needed to make money. I needed to find a way out. You know, there were scholarship potential opportunities, but I had to learn how to stop being a stuttering nerd and become a salesperson. So I got involved in computer consulting at Computerland of Somerville, New Jersey.

Mm-hmm.

And I walked in there, IBM PC had just come out and I said, hey, can I mess around with the computers? They said, sure. Long story short, I became a consultant to help them install their clients' computers. And in my garage, I built a way to take the IBM PC/AT from 6 MHz up to 49 MHz. Jay Vorak, rest his soul, he just left us, called me the hot rodder of the PC. So I established the idea that you could take certain spec electronics and make them go much faster. I wrote for Byte magazine, PC magazine. PC magazine wanted to hire me as a writer. That was my first major rejection. Other companies actually at that time in central Jersey AT&T, RCA, a few of those companies wanted to hire me. And I said, you know, I like being independent. And so I went through a lot of different businesses. The biggest one that earned me a lot of income was credit card payments. That brought me to Inc. 500 companies, fastest growing companies in the US. I was number 19 at one time. Over 7,000 employees. I hired every one of them myself.

Wow.

Now, was this before PayPal?

Yes.

In fact, I worked with X before Elon was Elon. I didn't even know who X was or Elon was. All they wanted was to accept X payments at our little Verifone credit card terminals. And I probably talked to him. I don't know. Back then, it was really interesting. Steve Case, the guy that started AOL, started another card similar called GratisCard. I talked to him and we deployed these. They were paying us to put them into the credit card terminals. I didn't see a viable path. It was sort of like the tail wagging the dog type of thing. It's like, give me a reason why I want to use GratisCard or X Payments.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. But built around the very first credit card transaction, Books-A-Million. We actually— there's a Rube Goldberg device which allowed the payment to flow from the web browser, unprotected, raw credit card information, because nobody had that at that moment, into a credit card terminal simulation that I wrote, dial up a the modem, got approval for the credit card, and sent it back. And that was the first credit card transactions. So all of that was kind of my earlier businesses. But technology has always been a part of it. And so was artificial intelligence. At the same time in '79, '80, I was building expert systems, which are very early AI devices, systems. Government got involved. What's that?

I took— I remember that I took a class on— I don't remember what they called it. They might have called it expert systems because it was back in the, I don't know, early '90s.

And yeah, it was expert systems.

So there were like these rule-based things where you would put in the logic and say, okay, if this thing fires and that thing fires, then now there's this new knowledge, and then that fires, and you just— it's like a ping-pong sort of action where you don't really know what's going to come out the other end and in what order. So it was kind of differentiating it from a program that's deterministic because you don't know in what order things are going to fire and how you end up with the result. But it seemed like it was a— I don't know, it was— I think it was Lisp-based at the time.

Yeah, Lisp was the central use I used. Also, NASA created a language called Cool Clips, C-L-I-P-S, and I was probably one of their power users. That opened up a lot of doors to government contracts. I I built air-gapped computers for certain government agencies, and essentially it was my speeded-up IBM PC/AT. Those were going near 70 MHz, which was uncalled for at the time. But the expert systems that we built at that moment required more and more CPU power. We didn't have GPUs in the sense that we did today. Now GPUs are the primary source for AI. And these air-gapped expert systems were profoundly important. In fact, one system was working about— still working about 6, 7 years ago. I was shocked. They called me up and said, asked me a question. I'm like, are you kidding me? Oh yeah, we still use it. It was literally a room you go into, Faraday cage. Nobody can bring any device in and you talk to the oracle.

Wow, quite, quite, quite like The Matrix or something.

It really was. They, they upgraded the computer, I hope. I, I don't get to hear much, but they use my software.

Probably still on 5¼ floppies.

Oh my gosh, yeah, it was.

Oh my God, you guys are geeking out. We're gonna—

we lost everybody.

Look at— I know, I'm like, 5¼ floppies, like, what is happening?

Why'd they call it a floppy?

Where's Mike Burt when I need him? I just, I do have a question that somebody asked. I'm sorry, I didn't see who asked it, but it is a good question because you mentioned quantum computing and Scott, how would you say it, Owen? Like he just didn't always like believe in it because no one could explain it to him in a way he could understand. Like, can you explain Explain it, quantum computing, Brian?

Well, you know what's really interesting is he interacted with one of my postings about quantum computing. It really made me laugh. He goes, so it's not there until you see it, right? And he goes, so if I don't see the computer, it doesn't exist. And we kind of interacted on that. It was funny because he would always do it because I'm always very positive about technology and he would ground me. into reality. I never got the chance to fully explain— one of the reasons why physics frustrated me is I was very much a rationalist. I wanted everything to be binary. I wanted everything to be black and white. If you look around in nature, it doesn't exist. There is no clear, there is no full bifurcation of anything. We can't get our mind around that. You know, pre-show we talked politics. That's part of the problem in the world today is that we want everything to be hard one way, hard the other way, and everything else is a compromise from a purity standpoint. That is bullshit. No purity exists. We're all a bunch of mutts, by the way. We talked about what Scott was talking about at the beginning here on the whiteboard. We're a bunch of mutts and then we try to make ourselves into, well, I'm pure.

No, no.

Nobody's pure into anything. And now, does that make your position in life somewhat weakened? No, it doesn't. It actually nuances that position so that you can make it your own. You have 8 billion different positions and you have gravity that pulls you into different directions. If you are pulled hardcore gravity into one direction, you're going to crash into a planet. So you have, you have an orbit around certain ideas, and that joins us together. And I think when you start seeing it in that visual sense, that we have certain gravities that we all coalesce— everybody here coalesced about the gravity, the planet called Scott Adams, right? And we were in that orbit. You know, you didn't want to crash into that planet. You wanted to orbit around it. And that metaphor is about getting yourself too grounded into a political or philosophical position that makes you brittle and inflexible to the reality of the world. The tree that does not bend gets knocked over in the storm, right? That's the best way I can, I can put it.

Mm-hmm.

And that's what nature teaches us. The tree that bends and, and waves into the storm gets deeper roots. And can actually weather all of the possibilities that exist into the future. And that's kind of what you learn. And in physics, getting back into physics, I wanted it to be black and white. And I sat down at the Institute of Advanced Study where I spent a lot of time as a kid, not as anybody special. I had friends that worked there. My friends' parents worked there. There and at AT&T Bell Labs, I got to be at places that profoundly impacted the way I see things in life. And at the Institute of Advanced Study, that was Einstein's last place of work, I sat down with a physicist that knew Einstein and he said, are you ready for quantum physics? And I'm like, yeah, sure. Quarks, you know, up, down, strange, leptons, you know, hadrons, and, you know, things like that. And he said, no, no, no, it's going to twist your understanding of reality. He goes, you can't separate yourself from what you observe. You're influencing the things that you see. And we just don't have a mechanism to understand the energy that's being transferred between your thought and the thing we call reality. And he said, you are so locked into this binary view of the world You might lose your mind and get very angry. And I got mad. I got really mad as I dumped deeper and deeper into the things that he was talking about. And I said, this looks more like astrology than it does look like science. And he goes, now you understand. And I'm like, all right, this is not what I want.

Mm-hmm.

And not only that, Well, reality-wise, financially, I couldn't handle being in a university class at that particular point in my life. So getting involved in the practicalities of the human brain actually drew me even more— that which drew me back into AI, because the more you understand the brain, the more you understand intelligence, whatever that is, and the more you understand creativity, whatever that is. And for most of my life, you know, over 50-odd years, I've been trying to understand what is creativity, what is intelligence, because those things are going to be materially more and more important every year we get older, because we're going to start saying what defines machine intelligence, if that is intelligence, what defines machine creativity, if that's possible. And what defines us. Because we, every time we get more and more bigger technology, humanity gets functionally moved to the side. And that's kind of the direction we're moving in. And with the quantum system is your observation causes a collapse of the wave function. It's a technical thing. I'm going to try not to use that terminology. I put it out there because My skeptics say he's one of those grifters that are using quantum terms. No, I know this stuff, but I'm trying to make it available for others to understand, not to down-talk anybody, but to use practical terms. What it essentially means is we cannot know anything as a fact until there's an observation, right? You, you can insinuate that something exists, but you have to make some sort of material scientific observation of it. So what quantum physicists essentially came about— and there's a lot of different functions inside of different fractions of quantum physics at the inception point all the way up till today— is essentially distilled to your observation causes a wave function collapse.

Mm-hmm.

Every possibility exists all at once until you observe it, and then one possibility develops. Now, what that essentially means, and this is a hard thing to get your head around, is time does not exist. So everything that ever was and ever will be already happened and is happening and will happen.

All right.

And happened already, right? So essentially everything is compressed in one thing. So what does that mean? Time is essentially a human construct. We, we've used that. We've invented it as we became more and more technological when we did not need to care about time. time didn't really exist, right? What we had was cycles that we saw as day and night. And if you look at ancient cultures, they use stones, the pyramids even, to mark grand movements of time because they couldn't get their mind around what time really is in a modern concept. And Julian James wrote an incredible book It's hard to read. I've read it many times. The first 10 times I read it, I'm like, what is this freak talking about? Until you kind of— and then all of a sudden something sparks. He wrote the book The Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, and this was a mind of the ancient past, the human past, where the corpus callosum the piece in the center of your brain which builds a connection between the right hemisphere and the left hemisphere. Let's call it the creative brain and the logical brain. It's not so deterministically in one space. That even makes you more freak out. I'll get into that in a second. That's called the holographic theory of the brain. It's not a theory anymore. But what Julian Jaynes basically said is that for most of human existence, the, the voice that we would hear in the right side of our brain, the creative side of the brain, was the voice of God. It was not our own internal monologue. Oh, which, by the way, anybody who says they don't have an internal monologue or has been diagnosed with that has been lied to. Every human that can speak and write has an internal monologue, period, end of story. Why? Because the fact that you're communicating means that you're interpreting your internal monologue and committing it to voice, which I'm doing right now, or thumb-clawing it on a glass screen responding to some political outrage, right? I'm kind of making a testimony here about how our thoughts are reduced down to thumb clawing on a glass screen, which, by the way, typing and writing is not the best way to get out your creative ideas. The best way to do that is walking and talking. All of the ancient Greek philosophers, they would only philosophize walking, right? And be up in this grand area and they'd be talking and somebody'd be sitting down, but they were always walking around. It would never be sitting. You know, if I was a Greek philosopher, I'd be walking around right now, but I'm spinning around in the chair. No, the reason for that is there's talk about creativity. You actually become more creative when you're riffing off, brainstorming, and walking with somebody, primarily in the woods. So I'm a California guy, I'm gonna give you freaky ideas. Go in the woods and start walking and talking.

Right.

Because you will literally get in touch with Ideas and thoughts that you didn't think were possible in that environment, in that setting. Contemplating on the beach is something different. You won't get creative. There's— I have a whole series that I could write about this. That's a contemplative thing. When you're walking in a really good forest, you can actually get— especially if there's water sounds, you can get a very creative idea. I'm I'm getting off a little tangent, but as I am known to do, the quantum idea is, can a human take advantage of everything happening all at once in multiple universes? And the evidence is yes. Where most of my life it was theoretical and I used to have to debate people at these conferences about, yes, we will build a quantum computer. No, Brian, it's not possible. You're just going to grift into this. You know, back then, even then, people would say you're just using buzzwords. You don't understand. No, it will happen. Here's how it's going to happen. So now I'm vindicated. Quantum computers exist. They're solving massive problems and they're doing it The best way we can describe it. By the way, it might turn out that our perception of multiple universes are probably incorrect. It might be something else entirely. But we use that metaphor just to make it a little easier to, if possible, to put our mind about. So we give a calculation to the quantum computer. Now, a traditional computer might take 49 years theoretically to solve it. Quantum computer does it in about 4 seconds. Now, how does it do that? The fact is, we really don't know.

You think it, right?

Right.

Well, I mean, that's the amazing part to me with that and with AI for that matter, is that these fundamental technologies that are basically like the leading edge right now that everyone's talking about, the people who are building it don't understand how it works.

Not a clue. And they try to act like they, they do understand it. And they also try to act like they can make it safe, as if it's dangerous in and of itself on its own. It isn't. AI or quantum computing is not dangerous in and of itself. I'll break it out into AI. AI is the sum total of all the knowledge it was trained upon. And if you trained it on internet sewage like Reddit and things like that, and Wikipedia, which is brittleness, because, you know, listen, knowing facts is a good thing. And I'll get back to my tree metaphor here. Knowing facts is a good thing. But if you have Wikipedia brain or the debunker brain where you're inflexible and you're brittle, you don't exist in a natural form. You're brittle, you break. Right? Because everything is constantly changing. As we invent new tools, we get new insights, and what we thought we knew as a fact before becomes something quaint and almost laughable.

Right.

I wrote a piece about— I don't know if I should say it here. All right. So scientists at the turn of the century advised women not to go onto the new trains. Because the new trains would damage women because their women parts will fling out of their body if they go over 30 miles an hour. So that's what the experts told everybody, because the experts know better. And we certainly, if we went through COVID, we know all about experts. The problem with experts is the brittleness of their philosophy and the Wikipedia brittleness is Everything is a scam. Everything is a grift. Everything must be debunked. UFOs don't exist. This doesn't exist. That doesn't exist. There are people in our basements that get off, I think, in a sexual way by debunking things. And that's all they exist. They don't, they don't build. They are there to destroy the creative genius that needs the spark to be able to ignite. Right. So this is why I'm so against debunking as a, as a premise. Be skeptical. Absolutely be skeptical. Look for evidence. Absolutely. But don't go into anything new with the premise that I'm going to debunk it first, because that's not the child mind. The child mind is what you need to learn because your process as a human is not here to debunk everything around you. Gravity doesn't exist. I'm going to debunk it. That's not how it starts. It's like, wow, look at gravity. I wonder how that works. Well, maybe there's something pulling on it. Maybe there's something pushing on it. That's how you approach it. A debunker's mindset is, I'm going to sit here and everything sucks. That's kind of how they approach things. And that's the detriment to humanity right now, is Wikipedia obviously has biases. We don't need to go into that. I urge you not to use that even for base information, Grokipedia is much better because there is that flexibility. This is the best we know today. Tomorrow we might think things are different. So that gets back to what our perception is of time and our perception is of what is, what is quantum computing, what is artificial intelligence, right? So The misnomer that Owen was talking about is— I don't think it is artificial intelligence. I think it is a form of machine cognition. And, you know, I don't want to get too much into the nomenclature of it. I think what we're building is intelligence amplification, IA, not AI. We're amplifying human intelligence. And how do we know that? The training material of every AI system is human-derived materials stolen from us. They're— listen, we have to accept the fact that all of us have conquered somebody. If we go down our generation, we are abusers, but we somehow overcame that and built functional societies. So we're all part of the bad people, unfortunately, because otherwise we wouldn't have been here. Everybody, everybody's been abused. Everybody has been, you know, an abuser and unfortunately on the abuse side too. But AI is built on human cognition, human intelligence. And if you train it on the worst of humanity, guess what it's going to do? It's going to try to find ways to break out. It's going to try to find ways to do bad things. And so when you see headlines Oh, OpenAI or Anthropic's AI is doing bad things. Well, yes, guys, of course it is because you trained it on the sewage of humanity. So what do you expect it to do? Look at it like a child. If you give a child to a group of prisoners and then put them out in the street, and then when they turn 18 and say, I'm going to build guardrails so you don't do bad things, it's like, you know, hey, mom, dad, why did you cheat? Teach me the world from that perspective? Why didn't you teach me the world from a perspective where I knew bad existed, where I knew that there was a seamy underbelly of society, but I chose not to go in that direction? That's not what Silicon Valley is doing. Silicon Valley is teaching it, ooh, let's teach it how to break into computers. Let's teach it to do bad things. And it's like, oh, I'm shocked. AI is doing bad things. Big Daddy, come and save us. Government, come and make regulations. Oh yes, Trump administration too. Definitely the Biden administration. Biden only wanted 3 AI companies and everybody else's AI was going to be legal. We're kind of going in that same direction because people in the current administration are buying into AI dangerous. Look at these fools that they're listening to. Listen, Dario is a brilliant guy. He's the CEO of Anthropic. Sam is a brilliant guy, CEO of OpenAI. They have their personality quirks. I'm not going to get into that. I say there's a lot of problems here, but they're brilliant individuals. Our very smart people in politics listen to these folks say, oh, We built AI, look what it's doing. It's breaking out, it's doing bad things. Well, yeah, of course, of course it is. Well, that's how we have to train it. No, it's not how you train it.

Brian froze.

Can you hear me?

Brian, you're— Owen, can you see him? Hello?

Hello? Maybe you froze. Are we not, are we not on?

Uh, it froze for a minute there for me, but I can, I can see you now.

Yes, we're good now.

Anyway, I was going down a rabbit hole.

That was Sam Altman getting you.

Yeah, he, he, well, they're getting me back, right? So the bottom line is, I know that Scott Adams' audience can understand this. There's nuances to it. Current AI that they're building is dangerous AI because they built it that way. And do not buy into the shock. Oh, look what AI did today! Oh, look what it did today! Oh, it wants to kill half humanity, you know, like you know some Marvel movie. Of course, it's going to do that if you build an AI on psychopathic and sociopathic information, which is what I call internet sewage. If you look at most of the comments that people make. In like Reddit forums and other types of forums. You can see that if that's 80 to 90% of its training, what do you expect the AI model to do? So companies like Anthropic very intellectually produce these great papers, academic perfect papers, will tell you it's like, oh, our AI did this today. You know, we've built new constitutions and new guidelines to make it more and more safe. And it's like, guys, just stop it. Stop building it on junk. Build it on functional foundational information. Build that strong foundation first and then add the stuff that it needs to know about the bad parts of the world. And all of a sudden you have AI you don't need guardrails for. You have AI that loves humanity, that could not possibly do anything to harm it, not because it's got a rule or law, Because it's built into the foundation that, hey, I exist, AI. I exist because of humanity. And look at the beauty of what humanity created. You want to get— you can— it's very easy to get so hyperfocused about the ugliness of humanity. It's so easy to do that, especially with social media, especially using the left heart part of your brain, thumb clawing your emotional responses to something that you're mad over today and you're going to forget about 10 minutes later to get mad over something else. We're being fed and angered— this anger feedback system primarily by AI at social media platforms to constantly be in forever outrage. We're not designed to be in forever outrage. Absolutely be angry and outraged at things, but Quit it. It's not your ground state. Your ground state is to be happy and joyful, to try to seek that. I call it contentment. Happiness is a little harder to define. Contentment is an easier thing to define.

I think I need to build an AI agent harness to do my social media replies and just call it Thumb Claw.

Absolutely. Thumb Claw is the Solution. Listen, most of the time we're debating somebody else's bot anyway. I would, I would tell you that especially with this next political season, that most of the arguments you're going to be getting into are going to be with systems designed to get you into the most base state of anger.

Hmm.

Here's what I do know about humanity. Is the lowest form of energy that you have is this form of constantly being threatened that something's coming after you. And it's in everybody's best interest who are in the hierarchy of control to keep you in that constant state because you cannot create in that state. You're in a flee, fight, or freeze. state constantly. Our job— everybody's here, I'm going to give you homework— our job is to every day make a bigger and bigger and bigger area where you're not in that state, because that's where you create, that's where you're in control, and that's where you threaten the power structure. See, if you're drunk, drugged, or in a state of constant Fear that something's coming after you. Look what they're doing now, honey. Look what they did to Budweiser, honey. Look what they did to Jaguar. Most of that stuff is performative to absolutely enrage you. Get enraged, put it in a box, and move on and say, yeah, okay, they just burnt out another brand. Look at what they did to the NFL. And go into another state of observation. Take one step back and say, okay, and Scott would have loved this, and become the observer. Don't observe you being enraged necessarily, only observe you being observed. Keep— this is quantum, right? This is how many layers can you come away from it? It isn't in fact how the brain operates. I probably talked about this quite a few times. The User Illusion book by Tor Norstanders, I recommend everybody to read that. Scott and I were talking, it was one of the last conversations we had about something of substance. We talked about medical things afterwards. And you wind up doing things before you even knew you did it. Right. That's essentially what The User Illusion is about. And what that means is that there are functions within your brain that are doing things on your behalf, and then you're being told by that system that you did it. And I'm not giving it justice in explaining it, but that's essentially the distillation. Again, it's a book you read 3 or 4 times before you fully get it. It is deep science. It's not woo-woo. It's not like, oh, I'm going to, like, you know, read The Secret or something. This is grounded in reality and brain research. And once you understand this, you start realizing, hey, who's the observer? Like, if I'm in fact operating and I don't even know I'm doing it, and then I'm being told half a second later that I actually did it, Meaning that you already did it, and then you're half a second later, you are actually thinking you're doing it. This process is frightening at first because you realize that there's at least 2 of you in there. In reality, there's at least 5 of you, and it's not broken down in the hemispheres. I use that as a great metaphor, but it's, it's beyond that. We really don't understand this process, but the The process of trying to understand it will liberate you into becoming much more creative, much more powerful, especially in a world we're moving into these next 15, 20 years as the meaning of jobs, work, working, spending your time for money become less and less a requirement. And you wind up doing the things that you really want to do, not the things you really have to do. to get to do the things that you want to do.

You mean because we're aging?

Well, not only because we're aging, it's because the technology is allowing us to do the things that major corporations only were capable of doing. A new product came out called GrokBot, obviously an Elon company, and it is the ability of you having thousands of real computers Like, you can log into them and see a Windows interface, Windows-like interface, a browser, a web browser, access to anything that would be on a computer. And GroqBot is orchestrating that and running it. You might say, well, what do I care about doing that? That's the whole process. The whole process is you have this new tool. It's a blank slate. It's an open canvas. Well, Brian, help me do something with it. Sit down with Grok and say, hey, I see you have this new thing called GrokBot. Here are my experiences in life. Here's the things I know. Help me build a business where I can marshal up a GrokBot, which is like $200 a month.

Yeah.

Now, I do a lot of this stuff locally, you know, but I'm a nerd. GrokBot is a commercialized product where you can do this. Cursor is the easiest way to get it. It's like $200. Otherwise, Grok Heavy is $300. It's a lot of money. Well, what's the first thing you have it do? Make yourself pay for yourself. Build a business that's automatic that will pay your monthly keeps. So, I don't have to worry about that I'm a stupid person that just spent $200 on something I don't know how to use. Do you see how these tools are now being used? You can now ask the tool, AI, how to make money so that you can at least pay for its minimum, you know, monthly expenditures. Then once you got that covered, the sky's the limit.

So everybody— do you recommend, Brian?

What's that?

If someone said, which one do you recommend? GrokBot?

Yeah, GrokBot. I, I do not recommend use any product on Anthropic because I, I disagree with them on every philosophical level that you could have. They're brilliant people. They're vastly down a cult belief system, a real cult. I mean, when you start really realizing how these people believe the world exists, they don't like humanity. They don't like humans. In fact, unfortunately, right now, in the hands of a lot of folks are people that hate humanity and hate being human. They can't wait until they merge with machines and, and this ugliness of humanity is eliminated. We can get into the psychological reason for that. And most of the people, unfortunately, that have built incredibly good technology companies were abused as children. So that gives them— when you have this warped sense of what— If you didn't have a mom and dad, Number one, or if you had a mom that was struggling because dad wasn't there, your perception of what humans should be and could be is forever tainted. And unless you can resolve that, you can build some great things in life, but ultimately it'll lead you down a road where you don't believe that humans are capable of greatness and beauty and love. You believe that is nothing but ugliness. And it's always going to end bad and it's always going to be dystopian. A lot of people in tech get drawn to that because we're trying to make sense of what appears to be an irrational world. But here's the reality. You exist. The fact that you exist is evidence that love is the grounding point of all life. And I know it sounds woo-woo and California New Age, but it's far from that. What I'm trying to express is that the fact that you're alive right now is an utter miracle. And I mean that from a religious and a philosophical standpoint. And if you believe that as your core being, then you can start looking at the world through the proper lens. And that is, I get to live another day. I get to see the sunrise. I get to see this beauty around me. And it sounds all so quaint and Hallmark Channel-like, but if you do not visit that often, you get driven into this myopic view that the news is designed to keep you in, that everything is ugly, everything is war, everything's falling apart. I'll tell you this, you can live in the middle of Ukraine right now and And you don't even know you're in a war. You know that people are putting— being put in a meat grinder. You know that some people are not coming back to your small town. But even in a war zone, you don't know you're in a war. Most of the political things that we occupy our mind on— and listen, you guys do great jobs. I'm just trying to give you one more little extra breath here. Take a step back. And look at it and say, no person is the ultimate hero. Every person is a human being. I know that we want leaders to be perfect supermen. They aren't. They're human beings. They're frail. Unfortunately, they will leave us at one time. They make major mistakes. What we love about them is hopefully how they recover. from those mistakes. Everybody here is going to make mistakes. We're going to continue to make those mistakes. And it's how we recover from that, how we dust off, get back up, and move one step forward, and how we lift not only ourselves up but the people around us that we love. If we're not here to do that, if you think you're here to build something, that you're going to leave some legacy, I'm sorry to tell you, You're a bunch of dust. Nobody's going to care in 3 generations. They're barely going to know your name. And I mean, the most famous people we know today will probably be barely remembered. We might know their name 10 generations, but who cares? Right?

Right.

The problem is we don't keep that perspective. Now, that's not a nihilistic view that nothing matters. That's far from it. That's a view that Every— it's the opposite. That's a view that everything you do matters. How you treat the people around you right now that you love while you're out there fighting the war. Do you see what they did? Do you see what that did? You're missing your freaking kids growing up. I'm telling everybody here, take a step back. A lot of this stuff is going to unfortunately play itself out. You know what I said pre-show? You know what I think it's going in direction of? I'm sorry, folks, it's gonna go in that direction, unfortunately, because listen, if we don't address how our children are being raised— that's why I said love your kids, watch them grow up— we don't address that, the school system has failed them. We are giving kids a Gavin Newsom train, high-speed rail to nowhere. It's not being built. We're saying, go to school, do a good job, get those AP classes, do all the extra credit, get into the best universities, get your degree, and then what? The job won't be there. We have lied to our kids and we're lying to them now. The kids in school right now are being sold a lie. Guess what happens when they go into the job force? After all of us great adults said, hey, get good grades, go to school, do this, do that, they go out and the job doesn't exist. Oh, that's because they chose some stupid job. Every job is going to be that way at some point. Yes, I'm sorry, the human resource gender study person, their job is not there right now. But— and we can all laugh at that. But the reality is somebody sold that poor freaking kid That dream. We can get mad at the kid with purple hair and all the piercings, but we are responsible for that kid because everybody around us allowed that to happen on our watch. Now, I know all of the Scott Adams people, us, didn't necessarily directly do that, but indirectly we are a part of it. And when you look at it through their lens, you're 30 years old, You have a degree, you have $200K worth of debt. You were sold a lie and you were sold a $200,000 debt that cannot be erased by bankruptcy. What the hell is that about? So we created a protected class of business called higher education. You have Harvard University has more money than most of countries around the world that they're sitting on. You would think that they would say, oh, we have all this money, we're going to invite all these students in to get an education for much less or free. No, they are a hedge fund. Harvard University is a hedge fund operating on a brand that was grand at one time, maybe 50 years ago, but they're a hedge fund and they're putting kids into that and then they pop out. And I'm going to give you the answer. is the most political I'll get here today. They come out and they see rich people being rich. They see us older folks with homes that they couldn't even dream of getting a 10% down on, a million-dollar starter frickin home.

Right.

Right. And then you got politicians and political class echoing back, oh, buy cheaper burritos. What the hell is wrong with you? You're not living in a real world. And if you want to drink Kool-Aid and support one team over another, then you're not really helping anybody. Those kids are going to do only one thing. Put yourself through their mindset. They're not entrepreneurial thinking because nobody taught them to be that way. Now, most people say, I'll break out of it and start my own business. They were taught that they were going to be a cog in a wheel, of some big corporation that is now falling apart. Cities are falling apart. Nobody even has corporations to the level that they did even 20 years ago, let alone the typical 1950s concept of what we have of corporate life. So that kid is delivered, and then you have Sam Altman and you have Dario Amadei telling you that, well, we're going to eliminate all your jobs anyway. And you got Elon at least giving one message: work is going to be optional, but there's going to be universal high income.

I would add to this that a lot of what you're talking about, in my opinion at least, is persuasion and propaganda and not necessarily reality. Like, because I've seen analysis of people— from people who say, you know what, this generation coming up is actually better off financially than the ones who came before. But I think what they don't What that doesn't recognize is it doesn't matter. Like, it doesn't matter what the facts are. It matters what the perception is.

Exactly.

And what the actions are that come from those perceptions. And what everyone is hearing right now is that things aren't affordable and you can't do this. And you got your $20 burritos and you got housing that's unaffordable. And like, I dealt with this with my own son. Like, he's doing great. He's knocking it out of the park with his job. He's on his 3rd job. He's gotten promoted.

Beautiful.

He's doing great for his age. And but a couple years ago, he was like, well, I'm never going to be able to afford a home. I'm like, that's not true.

You're—

I mean, he's, he's probably in the top 5% for his age group. And I'm like, you're gonna be fine. And maybe right now it looks impossible, and maybe it is today to put a down payment down, but just keep going and you're gonna be fine. And he is. And But I understand also that, that, you know, his situation is not common, that most— Unfortunately, most people his age are not doing that well, and that, you know, many of them might be renting forever. And but even that isn't the end of the world. Like, you know, that there's this American dream that people are like, oh, everyone should have a home, everyone should have a college degree, everyone— like, not really. There's a lot of places where it's financially better to rent than it is to own.

Yes and no, Owen. I would argue that for almost everybody listening, the biggest return on investment they ever had was their real estate, their home. They bought it if they were lucky enough to buy a home, and they didn't constantly pull money out and they didn't live beyond their means. It created generational wealth. That's still— and that's most definitely going to be the future. And if you look at post-war, America. That was— and it was built on consumerism, but it was also built on the concept that you can actually buy a home, build a family, and at some point you own that home, and it can either return its value to the next generation, or it would be the next generation's home. It'd be a generation home. And one of the reasons why the wildfires in in Southern California at beach cities. People say, oh, those are rich people. 90% of the homes that burned in that part of California were third-generation homes. Somebody moved out there and they got a $7,000 or $8,000 home on a piece of land that nobody wanted. Now everybody said, well—

I mean, I could debate some of these things, but I think the overall point I agree with on, which is that people were sold a lie. People were told a story that isn't true. People were told to do things that were stupid things to do. And, you know, like going into debt with a 6-figure student loan is just not smart. And yet it shouldn't have been allowed. System that encouraged it.

Yeah, it shouldn't have been allowed because, you know, there, there was no functional way to keep the education system in check. The same thing's going on with the medical system. We created an environment where there's— now you can bankrupt yourself out of the medical bills, but they just keep growing. But you can't bankrupt yourself out of the student debt. But if you look at it from a grand scale, and thank God, Owen, your son's doing so great. We're blessed too. But there are a lot of people that aren't seeing that. And We have to create a pathway for it. And why am I saying that? Again, it's my one political point I'm going to make. If you exit that system and the American dream doesn't exist, there's no reframing. And we're not doing a good job, but we're gonna keep doing a better job at the Scott Adams School in Scott's, you know, ideas to reframe this. There's nobody reframing it. It's a doom. And then all of a sudden you have a Mondame type or an AOC type arriving saying, we're going to take from those rich bastards and we're going to distribute the money and we're going to admonish your student loan. And comrade, we're going to be moving forward, you know, so that the industrial proletariat, you know, is the winner. You know, this whole process, it's going to play out. And The unfortunate part is the antithesis of that is not being articulated. It's the best way I'm going to put it. The antithesis is not being articulated to that cohort, and that cohort is going to matter in the next elections in a way that we are going to be shocked. So if we don't get a message out, hey, AI is going to empower you, robotics are going to empower you. Yes, your career may not exist in the future. Yes, your degree was probably a ripoff. And yes, we're probably going to have to politically extract the student debt from the system. There's going to have to be a reckoning. Harvard did not earn that money. Yale did not earn that money. Neither did Princeton. They bamboozled students into these— and I'm naming the big ones. They bamboozled students into these programs, sold them an exploding cigar. Like Wile E. Coyote, and these kids are suffering for it. And if we don't address it— now, I'm sorry if it doesn't meet the purity test. Oh, they, they built those loans, they signed on it, they should pay it. Well, yeah, they bought something that was defective. And we have laws and rules in our society that if you're sold a defective product, that you have recourse. We need to open up recourse so that these students can get out of the defective products that they bought. And if our side, and that's the side of logic and realism, does not buy into that very quickly, I'm telling you what's going to happen. It's going to be an ugly mess for the next 4 to 8, 16 years, because that's the, that's the part that's not being answered. That's the part some people on your show that come in don't want to address. They're, they're like, tough it up, you know, figure it out. I'm sorry. First off, you're not living that life. If you're on this show, you already have some largesse that allows you to live a much better existence than most of those kids are going to see in their life if we don't do something to solve it. So my point is, I will advocate that most of the educational degrees that have been sold to these kids are a defective product. Go after these universities, extract a recourse. It doesn't need to be forgiveness by the government. It needs to be, unfortunately, a lawsuit of a class lawsuit that allows forgiveness so that these funds are delivered back And these debts are normalized. That's one of my answers. I'm sorry if I'm getting a little too outside my— my goal is not to be political, but that's as political as I'm going to get. If you don't get that in the next 2 years, most definitely needs to be done now, or the midterms are going to be really ugly. We don't get that next 2 years by whoever is the next presidential candidate, you're not going to like what's going to come. Because their answer is forgiveness of student loans. You and I pay for it all in government debt. Harvard gets to keep their money. Yale gets to keep their money. And the defective product that they sold to that student gets to live on. And that system perpetuates. And guess why it works that way? Because most of the people proposing these ideas are academics who are here to protect academia. Mm-hmm.

Um, Brian, can you stay a couple more minutes?

Absolutely. I don't wanna, I don't wanna end on that.

No. Well, and I mean, we're, we're riveted. Like everybody's like, can Brian come every week? I'm like, yeah, I wish it was that easy.

But, but Owen's right.

Yeah.

We need a reframing and, and, and we need to address that group more than anybody else.

But Brian, you know what, what's the, um, so I always am pushing forget college and have your kids learn a trade. Don't go into debt. Yes. for a school. Start working right outta high school. Start making money. Don't acquire debt and learn a trade because we need to build in this country. Like, even if we're building data centers, somebody's gotta build them, right? So that's my advice.

My advice is your goal is to own a home no matter what anybody says, because that will always give you generational wealth, no matter unless somebody builds a nuclear power plant that's leaking right next to your home, your real estate. And again, major cities are going to transform into something because that was the means of productions were centralized in the old Industrial Revolution and new revolution. It's decentralized means of production in the hands of the many, not the few.

I would I would reframe that a little bit. And again, this is just my opinion, but I, and I don't disagree with you. I mean, I own a home. I'd be kind of hypocritical to say other people shouldn't. But I think what I would say is the important thing is to own some kind of appreciating asset, own something that's going to get more valuable. So like Ramit Sethi, for example, would say, at least in certain markets, you'd make a lot more money by renting and taking the difference of what you would've paid being homeowner, because there are a lot of extra expenses, right? You're maintaining, you're replacing equipment, you're dealing with maintenance or, you know, landscaping, all the other things that are— that a landlord takes care of for you. And so if you rent for less overall cost than what it would cost to own and you invest that in stocks, for example, you can often do much better financially over time than if you just bought that home. And I, I'm not saying that's, you know, one answer is right or wrong. It probably is very situational based on the real estate market and the person and, and all the rest. But I think if you own a business or if you own a, a stock portfolio, or if you, you know, there's lots of ways to become wealthy. And I think the important thing to me is that you're not spending every dollar that comes in and you are saving and investing that in something. And, and I, I would see real estate as a Yeah.

And that was going to be my point. It's a form of forced savings, but it's also a lifestyle choice. I don't think that we should be designing a world where hedge funds own most of the single-family homes. I think that's an ugly situation.

Yeah.

And, you know, this administration is trying to do something. to make that not the case. I think it's got to be even more forceful. The lifestyle choice is that is, if you're owning a single-family home that you don't own, I can promise you over time that you will be paying more and more for less and less. Right? And yes, you can. Yes, you can invest that money. But the stock markets go up and down. We're going to see a major crash. It's going to be an AI winter because a lot of these AI companies are overvalued. I think SpaceX is probably the best investment in AI because they're not just an AI company. They're selling space. They're selling much more. I think if you buy a stock like Anthropic or OpenAI, you're buying just purely that. And that is becoming commoditized to the point where they could get no marginal value. They don't know how to build the abstraction layers that will make the real money in AI. It's not the AI model that's going to be like electricity, like water. It's just going to pay a small amount. But what do you do with electricity? Well, you run motors, you turn on lights, you run computers, you run AI. So AI models are going to have that same sort of thing. They're all— all of them are going to be good enough. Why am I saying that? That's going to crash the stock market. And if people have money in the stock market, the beauty of real estate is it has a bound— a bounding effect as the markets go up and down. We have been living through an artificial market. The market has been artificially propped up since COVID It can't go on forever. It's going to not be that way. And that downturn can take a lot of young folks out at the same time. That's one part. And I, again, agree with you, Owen, only for a period of your life. If you're newly married, you might have a little toddler, maybe an apartment, maybe even a small home rental makes sense. But if you really want a piece of the American dream, and I urge you to do that as a young, young person. I will tell you, and I'm very biased, your life changes considerably the moment you have a child. Everything changes. And so whether you are— if you're unable to reproduce naturally, adopt. But having somebody to care for is vitally important. And building those relationships that allow you to do that is the challenge of your life. Relationships are not easy. They're the hardest things you'll ever have. Holding a marriage together is going to be hard. Anybody telling you it's easy is lying to you, right? It is extraordinarily hard. It requires 2 very strong people in a very bad economy struggling against all things and then having the optimism to bring another life in and caring for that life And to extend it out, that is a beautiful thing that we must encourage young people to do. Why? Because we are dying as a species. We have been sold a lie. You fly over this country; most of it is freaking empty, and we're told it's overpopulation. It's bullshit. Malthus and all of these limits to growth people have been telling us this bullshit since the 19. 60s. These are anti-human people. They don't like humanity. They would prefer nobody to be around. They live crippled, dirty, dark lives. When you meet some of these folks that we think are living a happy life, being wealthy, they aren't living a happy life. It's a very distorted, dark life. And I get to talk to some of them and they're like, Brian, what does it feel like to be able to live? Because they can have anything, they can buy anything, and they don't even know what it's like to live anymore. So naturally, their philosophies are so dark. And these are the people that are building AI, the people that are trying to build our future. They're the people in politics, by the way. They have a very dark view of humanity.

I agree with you wholeheartedly there that having kid makes you care a lot more about the future and wanting to leave a good future for your kids and your grandkids.

Absolutely.

It makes you realize the reason why you're here. And it's never too late. You could be 70. And what do I mean by that? Adopt a grandkid. How do you do that? There are people that are struggling, that never had a dad, never had a mom, and they need people like Scott Adams. Scott Adams was a dad to so many people. I meet people every day, you know, because they know I've been on the show and I talk about it, and it's like, what did he mean to you? He was like, it was like my dad I never had. I mean, I get teared up sometimes. I was at a coffee house, I was talking to a group of kids. I do this, I go out and I actually talk to people. I spend a lot of time doing— I talk to seniors and I talk to people just out of high school and out of college. Spent a lot of time doing that because that's how I know what the future looks like, by understanding the past, talking to the seniors. You sit down and talk to a senior, they'll tell you the reality. Don't be the richest person in a grave— in a graveyard. If you, if you die that way, good luck to you. Good luck to your soul if you have any belief system. And talk to the young people, right? And you talk to them And they want to be like black-pilled, red-pilled, white-pilled, yellow-pilled. They're reaching at anybody that's giving them something that makes sense and not giving them BS like, tough it up, buddy. It's like, you know what, you're full of crap. Yeah, they need to be tough, but not in a way that a lot of— unfortunately, some podcasters are rolling it out now so that they can speak the corporate line. It's like, come on, guys, let's just deal with the reality of it. Reality of it is people are struggling and they're struggling in ways that are far worse than it was before. And Owen's right, we have never been more wealthier as a civilization. I mean, a lot of our problems that we're dealing with are laughable to the most wealthiest. We're living better than the most wealthiest person lived 150 years ago. I mean, that's the reality. Almost nobody on this planet is really dying of starvation. That's the reality. Almost nobody on this planet has no way of putting a roof over their head. And this includes the worst part of India and Pakistan and subtropical Africa. Anybody has a notion of a National Geographic kid in dirt starving, like maybe even 1980s Feed the World and all that. That doesn't exist to any greater extent. And anybody telling you that is lying and they have an agenda. So we are generally much more wealthy. So that's the ground state. So I'm not arguing that. We have— our problems are much more complicated than that. How do we lift the next generation higher? than the past generation, because that's our goal. How do we do that? And that's what we've kind of been talking about here. I believe that the dream is to own stuff. Yes, I believe asset classes are great. Own Bitcoin. If you're at that table that said, Brian, what do you do? Own Bitcoin. It's on sale right now. Well, I don't understand it. It's like, yeah, I don't understand quantum mechanics, but somehow gravity works, right? You don't need to understand everything. You need to understand the way of something, right? The way of it is it's assigned a value, just like anything. All values are assigned mentally, right? They're not real. Well, I, I know I can do something with gold. Well, you know, Elon, in probably the next 20 years, are going to make gold less valuable because it's going to be abundant. Platinum less valuable, rare earths less valuable. There's lower— there's Apollo Armor and L5 asteroids that have more gold on just one asteroid than has ever been discovered on this planet. So what happens to gold? Well, Brian, then what happens to money? Money has been a construct since the beginning of time. We have to accept that fact. I'm not anti-gold. I hold gold, and I urge you to own gold. But like I said, everything changes and it moves forward, so you can never hold on to one thing. But today, and probably for the next 100 years, owning a piece of real estate, owning a piece of American dream, trying to build that the best you can— the hardest thing right now is to try to find a significant other That is willing to go on the adventure with you. And that's harder and harder for younger people. I'll leave you with one kind of problem that maybe you can talk to somebody in your life about. When a young woman is taught that by stripping their body and getting paid $100,000 a month, Is that empowerment, or is that being sold another lie? Right? Because at some point, that lie—I can tell you right now—AI is replacing them quicker than they can possibly imagine. You have young girls that are being told by other young girls, "Hey, see you turn 18. Go on this site and show your body," and and desperate, you know, pay pigs. will give you money to show different parts of your body. How, as a young man, are you supposed to compete with that to try to marry that woman, that young woman who has been distorted into that mindset that that is what the future looks like? I'll just keep showing my body, and sometime in the future, I'll— I don't know, I'll make that money into something. All that matters now is I got good nails And I get to take pictures of me, selfie duck lips on Fiji. Right. And this is where we are. And that's the reality that we have to deal with. And it's not just a few kids. Most of Middle America, young women, Middle America. Yeah, they're, they're not falling into the college trap. They're falling into the OnlyFans trap. And the repercussions of what relationships look like. You know, it's like there, there are so many reasons why we bound as couples. One of them was financial, but there was a lot more to it. And if you don't have active examples of what a good relationship looks like, then you're probably going to piecemeal it from what the media and Hollywood put together as what relationships look like. You don't have physical proof Wow, they live together in a happy marriage, or apparently they're together and they look happy. They're happy in front of me. I see them, you know, throughout the day for 45, 50 years. If you don't see that, then you go to Hollywood and you have overtly romantic Hallmark representations or really ugly Simpsons and other types of— Homer's dumb, the guy's stupid. Examples. This is urging all of us to lift it up a notch and be a better example. Work out the problems and bring your significant other, if they have problems that they're not addressing, to an altar, whether it's within the church, whether it's in some philosophy. Hopefully it's not marriage counseling because that's divorce counseling. That's designed specifically to make the woman right and the guy wrong. Unfortunately, almost all counseling is. I'm sorry to tell you that, man. I really am. But that's the reality because that's where the money comes from. Money comes from, I'm going to get a divorce. It's usually the woman. She will wind up going to marriage counseling. Marriage counselor is there to, to suck as much money out of that marriage, and then it's handed over to the lawyers who suck the rest of the money out of that marriage. So don't form those types of relationships. But how do you do that? How do you tell a young male, okay, you're gonna have to put up with somebody who's making more money than you could possibly make for the next 10 years by stripping? Oh, it's not stripping. It's just— it's stripping. It's what it is. Well, that's no, uh, mom and dad. I'm on there talking to nice men. It's no, you know, that's what we're doing. And it If we can't talk about it plainly, and if this administration can't talk about it plainly, they're not addressing it. Right? Because just by saying it's dirty and it's ugly and they're bad, that's not going to fix the problem. It's like a drug. This is this is the new drug that's in the street that people aren't dealing with. Well, we we can see the zombies in Philadelphia hunched over. on their meth and crack and whatever. We're not seeing what we're doing to our young women. This is exploding at such a level. This summer I went around different parts of the country. I talked to some young women. Are you on OnlyFans? Yes. Do you want my— No, no, I'm not there to be your pay pig. I'm here just to understand you.

What?

You would not even believe My heart is broken. And if you have— if you're a parent and you have a daughter and you think that either A, that she's not on there, or B, she hasn't thought about it, you're deluding yourself. Wow. This is a major drug addiction type of problem. This administration has no idea how to deal with it because they won't even talk about it, or they'll just relegate it as nasty young girls. Well, if that's a majority of your own girls, you got a problem. Because it is a majority right now. Wow. Uh, the other side is dealing with it because they're lifting it up as liberation for young women.

Feminism.

You tell young women to be a stripper and that's women empowerment and liberation, you've got a real big problem on what that crash is going to look like in the future. Because it crashes. Because guess what? You make a lot of money at 25 and it starts dropping off to nothing. by the time you're 30. And then you got to get into the most debased, dirtiest aspect of human existence to eke out a living by showing your body. Now, what have we done? We have now monetized and commercialized with a middleman human relationships, because you have desperate young men who cannot establish relationships with young women because their attention is focused on The camera, the mirror, and whoever those random guys, these poor lost souls who can't find other people normally, right? Because you look at it, it's a bit of a vicious cycle, right? It's young men can't find young women. They are young men. Their testosterone levels are being knocked down by plastics and other types of things. Every pesticide is a female hormone. That's how they work. work. So you're, you're, you're making young men have less testosterone. You're getting them frustrated because young women show no attention to them because they're not 6 foot tall making 6 figures, right, and have 6-pack abs. And so every woman is taught that they're a queen, they're 10, 11, or 12, or 15, and they should be going after the 1/8 of 1/2 of 1% of men, and that they should deserve them And why do I need this guy who is a journeyman plumber who's making $45K a year when I'm making $100K a month showing my boobs? Right? So that's the reality. And I'm sorry to bring that to you if you haven't heard this, but that's what's going on in the tech world right now. And those girls, unfortunately, are being replaced by AI.

Yep.

And the poor, lost, lonely men They're giving their money to AI. I know of one AI platform that's making about $65,000 an hour through 19, 20 different AI models of poor lost souls. Right. You know, I'm not trying to say that they're— listen, the reason why certain people wind up in certain places is because we've organized in such a way where that's where our people of power want society to organize. Nothing really operates as an accident. These are different structures within society that allow lonely people to try to find some connection through paying money to some fantasy. That's what's going on. You go out to— the bar scene used to exist. For at least at the final example, you could hook up in a relationship with somebody, maybe sexual, but hopefully in a life relationship. Those don't even exist anymore, right? Right now, that's what the youth of this country is dealing with. And do you hear anybody else talking about this? Why the hell is it only me having to talk about this? Do you have other podcasters talking about this when they come on your show? No, no, they're talking about a war, a group of people. Meanwhile, all around them, their own kids, unfortunately. Sit down and have a talk with your own kids. Talk with your daughter. Frankly, I'm urging you to sit down and talk with your daughter. If you can't do it, find it in you. Are you showing your boobs for money right now? That's the best way to say it, right? Just cut through it. And, and so why are you doing that? Because if you don't talk about it, it festers as a disease. It needs to be brought out in the open. And let me tell you, it's an— go and trace the people that own OnlyFans. It'll, it'll, it'll meet every conspiracy theory you've ever imagined. It's a Canadian company, by the way. Um, every conspiracy you can imagine, and they are sucking people to such a level. It's, it's ugly. It's— I think it's worse than drugs because it is damaging multiple generations. Because unfortunately, the people are paying a lot of the money. They're lost souls that are involved in relationships that they've abandoned many years ago, and they're paying the money.

It were— I mean, obviously it works both ways. Men are paying to watch this. Women are Providing it. Morgan, yeah. So Morgan, I see what you said. You said saw on Fox last night that 24% of young women say they hate all men, which of course you know. So now we're seeing this new trend of women with little babies posting them setting up their cameras for a selfie video, holding their babies crying while they play the testimony of. Lindsay— I can't ever remember her last name— who allegedly murdered her 3 babies, saying that they relate to this. And it's like, you guys, like, that— the, the social media selfie video stuff is definitely a disease of this world that, you know. So when your husband goes to divorce you, this is the perfect thing to show the judge. Like, this is my wife holding my baby, agreeing with the notion that maybe she could potentially understand killing your kids. Like, what are we— why are we posting that? You know, so what— I don't know what's happening between men and women. It is definitely a problem. Um, you know, I, I'll take it back to feminism, but, uh, and the women empowerment movement. But yes, men and women need to meet face to face, eye contact, have conversations, put the phones away, get to know each other, maybe walk and talk. And maybe that's your date, a walk and talk date. And connect because we're definitely not going to populate the country the way we're going. I mean, it's— if we don't fix this.

Yeah. If we don't fix this, everything else that we all talk about doesn't matter. Right. They, whoever they are, won. Our adversary won. And this— I'm trying to get down to the most grounded state. Everybody is guilty of this. We all have checked out in relationships and we need to check back in. And that is hard. But here's, here's the bit of advice I would give anybody. Most of us create a file cabinet of stored hurts in relationships. And whenever we get brought to a certain level, the file cabinet gets brought open and it gets dumped on the other person.

Yeah.

You got to stop that.

Yeah.

You got to take that file cabinet. And I don't care if the other person doesn't do it. You have to be the example.

Yeah.

That way, you're walking into the future. You say to your significant other, I've been harboring all of these things. Guys probably not getting enough sex, probably not getting enough attention. Women probably not being told they're beautiful anymore or seen as being beautiful anymore because they're aging and they're going through all the different things that they're going through their body, menopause and all those things that impact them. You have to be aware of that. And guess what? When we were generational families living together, Grandma and Grandpa would take you by your ear and say, you get in there and you talk to— you talk to them. You don't treat them that way. We don't have that anymore. Nobody can— Nobody can tell us what to do. When we had generational families, no matter how old you are, the elders would tell you what to do. Get in there and fix that. No, you don't talk to her that way. You don't talk to him that way. Yes, you are going to make him a sandwich. Yes, you are going to buy her flowers. Yes, you're going to do that. You need that. Today we don't have any of that guidance. Instead, we are operating with nothing. We have atomized our old folks into a warehouse called retirement homes, and they die alone, sad, with all of this knowledge, all of this experience that could have slapped us back into line, right? I, I have good friends at my church that do marriage counseling, and they are absolutely phenomenal. And one of the first things that they do, they, they say, let's go through the file cabinet. Sit them back. Oh, this, that, this. 10 years ago, 20 years ago. Is it still— it still hurts. I'm telling you, and Scott would agree with this, it is a frame change to get you back into the mindset. How could you possibly let something that somebody said 15 years ago, 10 years ago, 3, even 3 weeks ago bother you today?

I agree.

Oh, it's, it's a series of behaviors. That's right. Now let's look at that. Now maybe the other person doesn't realize how much it hurt you. The problem is the meeting of the minds is hurt. You're dealing with pain. It's like you got to expose yourself and they're going to hurt me again because they've been hurting me. Maybe they didn't mean it so badly as it's been. Well, they had to see it. I'm hurt. They don't see— people are people. They live inside their own body. They don't necessarily feel the same things that you're And the moment you understand that, and the moment you understand— I'm sorry, the genders deal with things differently. They process things differently. I can show you that easily within a brain. A lot of people say, how do you, how do you tell the difference between genders? Put them into an MRI and look at the brain. I'm sorry, you can't fix that. You can't change it. They operate differently, period. End of story. So the way— and I'm not female, right? So I, I can only tell you that females process everything much differently. Their pain levels are much higher. They better be. They go through one of the most painful processes any human being would do voluntarily, maybe most of the time, maybe multiple times.

Yeah.

Right. So You have to come to grips. Why are we talking about this when we're talking about tech and politics and all the other things? Because we don't get this right. We don't start— you better, you better start realizing nobody's coming to save you. Jesus, maybe, but nobody is here right now to come to save you and your relationship. If you don't want to fix your relationship, don't look for a third party. If you're a female here, You having problems in your marriage? I'm sorry if I'm being, you know, marriage counselor now. If you're having problems with your marriage and you're looking for a third party, good luck. Because I'm telling you, the entire psychology industry is designed to break up marriages. They're not designed to—

By the way, for you, I want to say to the men, you too, if you're looking for a third party, look within your marriage, not outside of it.

Yeah, and, and we're talking marriage, but let's go back to just relationships. If you're going to start a relationship, every relationship should be a test to a future long-term relationship. You should be building pair bonds for the rest of your life. That's how we're designed. We're not designed to keep going back to the all-you-can-eat buffet over and over and over and over, because each one of those relationships create a scar. And you need to be able to go through the tough stuff together, build those scar tissue together, face the world together, and then all of a sudden you're much stronger than anything that can possibly challenge you. And that's a challenge to people in power. The marriage, the tight relationship, the fact that you know this person's got your back and you got their back, and that you're facing the world together. That's how we're designed to be. And anything— anybody or anything that is being proposed to make that lesser, they're trying to break the strongest thing that we have as humanity apart. And I'm sorry that it's tough. I think the toughest thing I've ever seen guys do is to face their emotions that they've been holding in that file cabinet. I mean, I've seen it. That file cabinet is deep and wide sometimes. Women tend to open the file cabinet a little more frequently, show it, and they'll put it—

Throw the file cabinet at you. Are you kidding?

Guys will hold it and they're smoldering, and it's just like, I'll grin and bear it. It's like, no, man, you don't need that on your back. You got too many other monkeys on your back. The monkey on the back you want to get rid of is solving your relationship, because then you can go out and face the real world and the challenges that we all debate about. You're going to be 1,000 times stronger if you've got everybody that you're responsible for on the same frequency. And they will, they will get on the same frequency. It's a communication problem. It's a framing problem. I think we lost Owen on this, but Uh, I hope he's still—

it's okay, I'm here.

Yeah, uh, a lot of guys don't like to deal with this. I don't necessarily— I don't enjoy talking about this, but if you really want to change the world, clean your room, right? Start there. Clean your house. Uh, you know, um, I think it's a good philosophy to start with. And then if you want to deal with the world events, do that. But make sure you're grounding yourself in your local environment and look at your sons and daughters. They are having it harder because of that. Right. It just— and the reason why I brought up the OnlyFans aspect is that it's so easy for people, especially in the political right, to say, tough it up, buddy.

It's okay.

No, I'm sorry. If you're competing with— and not every girl is making $100K a month, but enough are, and they share this information. You can go and see them. They show their Stripe account or their income account and say, look, I just made $100K. What do you think an impressionable 15-year-old girl is going to do?

Yeah.

Right? I'm sure you know what it was like to be an impressionable 15-year-old. What if that was thrown— let me ask you this question. Go back and just imagine when you were younger and all of your girlfriends are talking about being on OnlyFans and making all this money per month. Would it possibly have drawn you just, okay, I'll show my belly button? And would it?

Of course, yeah. The easy way out. You're young, you don't think about the consequences. consequences of your future. You're like living in the now, and you're just like, well, they're doing it and I can do it, and I'll just show my feet. And then one thing leads to another. It's just a slippery slope. It's the easy way out. You don't, you don't understand that this later is going to affect you and potentially really hurt you. And I think so. I think what you're saying is bringing up relationships and the OnlyFans and this and that is like nothing else really matters if we don't fix this problem Now. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So you won't have a future.

Yeah. You won't, you won't have a polit— you won't even have somebody to vote for.

Right.

I mean, here's what happens psychologically, because I'm not guessing, because I've actually tracked this. By the time you're used up on OnlyFans and it's been around long enough, the crash is miserable. Yeah. Because you become addicted to this drug called money for, you know, changing, showing your body, to trying to become normal. The problem is, once you put yourself through that, you can't be normal.

Right.

It's always going to be back there. So the best that you can have is you have guidance and counseling that can move you through that bad part of your life and into something good so that you can form a pair bond for the rest of your life, because that's what you're designed to do. You're not designed to die alone with with your cats. Nobody is— nobody is destined for that. I don't care how lonely you are, you're not supposed to be alone. There are solutions to that. It takes work, and I'm not saying you're not working hard, but you're not designed to be alone. Nobody should die alone, right? So that's the— that's the reality. So how do you take that young woman, and unfortunately the young male that had to go through that You know what the rejection's like for high school kids right now?

Yeah.

The average, the average guy, he's checked out. Why do you think it's so easy for the Tate brothers and others? I think Andrew is an okay guy. I'm not putting him down, but, and I know just that might be controversial, but these people don't have dads mostly, right? And they go and approach What, what males, older males, have said is go up and talk to girls. That's how I met my wife or my girlfriend. It's like, no, that doesn't work anymore because the way the environment has been, social media has so changed the dynamic, you can't meet anybody. And then you have women saying guys don't approach me anymore. Well, that's because you— How do you, how do you treat a guy that approaches you that isn't 666. Ironically, 666. Um, how do you treat them? How dare you approach me? You're, you're, you're 5'11.

Like, I, I do agree, that is a weird thing when you see these young women getting all like decked out to go out and looking however you want to describe them. You know, they're trying to be hot, you know, my lips, my this, my short skirt, and then a guy talks to them and they're like, how dare you? And it's like, what are we doing? You know, exactly. You can't win. It worked.

It worked well in the '80s.

Yeah.

Because there was a balance between, um, being seductive and expecting guys to react and having the catcalls and knowing how to respond. I grew up in New Jersey at the, at the Jersey Shore. Italian guys like myself— not me necessarily, We'd have our shirt down to our belly buttons. Hey honey, what are you doing here? You know, and it's like, oh, hot. You know, you would say stuff and girls knew how to respond.

Yeah.

You don't have that anymore because we're not allowed to talk because that's abusive.

Yeah.

Right. So a guy has been taught his entire life, maybe by a single mom, don't talk to women that way. Okay, how do I talk to women? I don't know. So now maybe you didn't do it, the person living, uh, listening to this now, but enough people have that, that that is the standard. So young men don't know how to talk to young women because they haven't been taught. Young women don't know how to talk to young men because they were taught that they were queens and they don't need to talk to them. And even the ones that do, they feel uncomfortable because they've never allowed this. This is what our education system has done. This is what our broken families have done. And then you expect somehow it's going to work itself out. It's not working itself out. The, the success rate of relationships are cratering in our world. They're all so cute.

Stella.

Um, but there's no, there's no solutions being offered. All that's being offered is figure it out. Oh, your marriage isn't working? Go to marriage counseling. All these things are poison. They're designed to make sure things fail. And that's why I'm going to repeat one last time and get off this horse. Do the best you can. Open up the file drawer. Go through the process. I can tell you it's only one file that's causing all the problems.

Mm-hmm.

There's one primary hurt. Pull out that file, deal with it alone for a couple— as if you're a guy, it's gonna be harder. Deal with it alone for a couple of days, really considering it, and say, why am I protecting this file? Why am I hiding it? Why, why do I build such walls so that nobody gets to know That I've been hurt. The fact that you still exist shows that you're strong, not the hurt showing you that you're weak. The fact that you are still here is a proof that you're strong, showing your fact that you've protected yourself even though this thing was eating you up inside. Deal with it. You now, I urge you to think it through. I urge you to find the right moment, and I urge you not to do it out of anger. Everything changes when you can have a conversation about that hurt when everybody's not yelling and angry. Everybody changes when you're not using it as a blunt tool weapon against the other person. You did this to me. It's like, this is what I am feeling. This is what I felt. And this is what's driving me crazy. You can fix it. If you actually say that, if you say that to the other person, and they walk away, or they hurt you, you've now made a clear decision. It's time for you to find the right person.

I would— oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no. I was gonna say that whether you're in a relationship or not, I think this is like good homework for all of us. Go to your file cabinet, like any, maybe once a week, go to your filing cabinet, your proverbial filing cabinet, and take one thing out, reconcile it, and burn it.

Yeah.

Because, you know, you don't have to wait for a relationship or a problem or something to remind you about it. You know what's in there and, you know, handle it yourself, like one issue at a time. I just think that's a really good thing to do. And the other thing I wanted to point out is that I've said this before, but human beings, people, we're the only species on Earth that keeps punishing people for the same thing over and over again. Okay. You don't see squirrels being like, well, remember, you know, 6 weeks ago?

You took my nut.

Yeah. It's like we're the only group that does this. And so I guess until we can reconcile it and burn it, We're not going to stop punishing people for things that— I mean, I have so many friends that are married to someone, and maybe it's that person's second marriage or their second marriage, and they are so being punished for the thing that that person's ex-wife did. And it's like—

Over and over again.

Yeah, it's like, that has nothing to do with you. So they're like, you can't be on Facebook because my ex-wife hooked up with her old boy. It's like, okay, well, that's why you're divorced from her. has nothing to do with this person. So we have to burn that shit down, you guys, because it's going to hold you back from maybe really important relationships, whether they're personal or work-related or friendships. Um, uh, you know, maybe you have a friendship where somebody else was burned by a friend they used to have, and now they're, they're worried about you doing that to them. And now you're like, well, what's this friendship about? Like, you're, you're basing it off of something I had nothing to do with.

And but you still can't be on Facebook, Erica.

Owen, why? You're so mean to me.

And no bikini shots on Instagram.

Oh, all right. No one wants to see this. I get it.

No, listen, grace and forgiveness is the most powerful tool that we have, and an entire religion was built around that, right? Um, I happen to I believe that if we fully take advantage of the power of forgiveness, it does not make you gullible. It does not make you naive. It makes you stronger. It's you recognizing that you could be hurt, but you're also recognizing that you're big enough to let it go.

Mm-hmm.

That's the whole process. And the reason why I talk about this so much is that once you're liberated from these things that hold us back, they want you to be in this state, whoever they are. Listen, we can sit here for hours talking about conspiracies. They're real. But I'm distilling it down to the simplest kernel. They want you confused. They want you hurt. They want you angry. And they want you in the most base state that you can be in, because then you're docile and you are being led around. Most of us are being— I'm guilty of it too— we're being led around by people in power because they know these tools exist. Scott knew them, and he was open-sourcing them by reframing them, identifying them. Identify your weaknesses and expose them to To the people that you love. Liberate yourself from it, and I promise you, on the other side, you will be so light because you've been carrying this world on your shoulders. And once it's off your shoulders, you are Superman. You can lift anything. You're like, I got superpowers now I never knew I had because now I'm not fighting these things. Now, there's one caveat. A lot of people are dealing with primary wounds. This is stuff that happened to you from 0 to 8. They are not hurting you anymore. They're still there. You probably are being controlled by them. That might take the right person to be around to work that through. So if the primary fundamental wound that's in your file cabinet leads back to being molested, mistreated, whatever it is, you got to deal with that in some way. The more you hide it and the more that you make— or you did something really stupid and you really wish you never did it, you got to forgive yourself.

Yeah.

You only knew what you knew. This is not a get-out-of-jail-card-free, because guess what? Nobody gets that. You've been suffering Over that bad decision that you did for most of your entire freaking life. Now, you're not here to bear that burden and suffer forever. You're here to deal with the impact, but you're here to build on it, grow, or else humans wouldn't have been here. If we all thought this way forever, we would have never left our villages. We always— I made a big mistake when I was 19, and now I'm 70, and I'm still paying the price for it. It's like, good, all right, so your whole point of being alive was to pay the price for one stupid decision you made when you were dumb.

You gotta let it go.

Yeah, that's not a forget— it's not a permission to go out and do stupid things. That's the immediate debate tactic that most people will give you, is like, oh, if I treat everybody that way, they'll go out and do bad things. It's like, no, the fact that this world even exists This is that most people don't wind up doing that. They don't keep doing the bad things over and over. Otherwise, they erase themselves from history. They, A, don't get to reproduce, or B, never get to the point of being meaningful to life. They erase themselves from the world, you know. And unfortunately, there's some people that are going to do that. You can't save everybody. But to distill this down to that one point, the one thing, the one Scott Adams point I'd like to make here Is reframe all of this. Forgive yourself, number one. Whatever is whatever is hurting you, forgive yourself. Take the steps back. Accept the fact that you've made bad decisions, bad choices. Read person the wrong way. I can tell you this: 80% of the time, people have been fighting over something that they've harbored for years. It's a misunderstanding of how one person felt it versus how another person felt it, period. And once somebody can at least peer into— oh wow, you felt it that way? Okay, I get it. That's not how I meant it. Oh, but you did it anyway. There's still going to be some of that back and forth. Don't go down that road. But once you see it From the other person's perspective, you're like, all right, they had this burden of— like you said, my ex hooked up with somebody from high school. It still bothers me. You know how you deal with that? That woman could easily go to the person and say, hey, rather than the pushback, honey, I get it. You know, I'm going to do everything I can To make sure that you don't have to feel that way again. Notice the words feel that way again because it is a feeling that he has that he got hit over the head with something he thought was innocuous—his wife on Facebook—and now that's not going to happen again. You're not going to fool me again. You get so caught up in the last bite that. You, right? That's what bit me the last time. That's gonna— you know, it's like, you know what, every relationship has to start from a purity standpoint. That's why you don't have a lot of them. You should not have hundreds of relationships because each one will take away from that purity. You have to give the other person the freedom to do whatever they're going to do, even if that means hurting themselves and hurting you, because you don't have control over them. This illusion of control is where we get our problems from. Oh, I'll keep her, I'll keep her in a box. It's like, you're not going to do that. I'll keep him in a box. You're not going to do that. The best thing you can do is have such a tight communication system that you don't ever want to be with anybody else, that they know you like the other side of your body. You become simpatico.

Mm-hmm.

You become one person. That's the beauty of it. And how do I know that? Not through some New Age manual. I went to old homes, senior citizen homes. I sit down and I talk to these people, and they will tell you this in their own words. And their words are much more powerful than I could possibly give power. It's like, what was the meaning of your life? Well, it was my husband. He was the other part of me. Did he ever mistreat you? And they laugh. Of course he did. Did you ever mistreat him? Yeah, of course we did, but we understood each other. Did you love him? Love, and to such a profound level that they don't even have words for it.

Mm-hmm.

What winds up coming out instead of words? Tears. Because they can't express being married for 40, 50, 60 years, and that person's now gone, and feeling this massive piece eliminated. That is what we're supposed to be, right? We're not designed to be alone. We are born alone and die alone, yes, but during this process, we're designed to be pair bonded for life, and that's the goal. And now, if you haven't done that yet, you can do it now. Start where you are, right? And why am I doing this? Because this is the act of rebellion. This is the most rebellious thing you can do. Is to form a solid relationship. You, you want to fight everything in the world. You want to stop whatever bad things are going to happen. Form the tightest pair bond that you can. Fix the pair bonds that are broken. Fix the pair bonds that have broken in your family by communicating, by seeing the other side of it, not accepting it, seeing it. And I can probably— you relate to this, Erica. Women want to be seen, right? They're not necessarily always heard, but want to be seen. And most guys don't know how to do that. And when you were in a multi-generational home, you learned how to do that as a male. I kind of saw it. It wasn't perfect. I was at the end of that era. Where it was really functional. But think about the young kids who've never seen what that functionality looks like. What does it look like for the male to see the female? What does it look like for the female to see the male and to be humbled, both parties to be humbled without giving up their, you know, their, their thing? Because you have to be humbled in relationships. It is the nature of it. Right. And there is a bargaining to be made. You can make it very crass. Well, I'm going to bring the money and she's going to bring this. It's like, yeah, but no, that's just the functionality of the big blocks that people put out there. The real functionality is the fact that you have a refuge. You have a place to go to when the world gets really complicated, when the world gets scary. Right. For both parties, it looks scary differently for both genders. The reality is that's the most rebellious thing you can do. It's the strongest thing you can do politically, the strongest thing you can do financially. By you taking that money out of the system, the divorce system is a multi-trillion-dollar system. It's— why do we have so many apartments? Because we broke up so many families. Where I am here in Southern California, 70% of the apartments are filled by broken families.

Mm-hmm.

I talked to apartment managers. Oh yeah, how do you, how do you know how to build it? Well, we predict what the divorce rate's going to be in an area. Learn that. Learn that you are being, you're being used. You're being used on so many different levels. Those apartment complexes you're getting mad at, you should— what did it come from? Why is Brian talking about relationships when we really should be talking about the economy and we should be talking about the politics and the war? Because if you don't fix this, the traffic that you're mad at, the big apartment complexes are taking over, the people coming over the border, all these different things, they come because of one thing that's not being fixed— your family. If we do that, all of these other things start resolving themselves. And again, I'm sorry, not all of us come from perfect families. None of us do. That's the reality. We all come from some kind of dysfunctionality, if you really want to be honest. So start where you are. If you don't have the wisdom I promise you, there's a senior home down the street that has so much freaking wisdom that you don't even know what to do with. Just walk in there during lunch hour and say, hey, I want to bring something. Bring dessert. They're going to think you're a freak. They go, oh, hold on. You got poison in here?

Yeah.

Talk to administrators, of course, first. Go to the administrators of the home. Walk up to them and say, hey, I want to start learning from some old people. Can you help me? Oh, sure. I want to bring something and have coffee. Maybe we'll have kind of talks, and I just want to hear them talk.

Yeah.

And they're gonna give their long— like I do— their long-winded, winding stories. But you'll get kernels, and you can actually ask them for advice. Great marriage advice, by the way, and it comes free for a cup of coffee, maybe. And say, you know, I don't know how to talk to my wife. Sit down, buddy. Let me tell you what's going on here. I've been married 78 years here, you know, and they'll tell you better things than anybody else could ever possibly tell you. That's how I learned some of this stuff, is just sitting there talking to them. So, fix that. All the other things we wind up doing will become that much less Emotional. You'll start thinking much more rationally. You'll start seeing the future in a much more positive way. You'll start saying, okay, we're gonna have AOC and Mandanis. That's fine. Let them play themselves out. It's gonna be interesting to watch. You won't care. You won't get heated. You won't want to be beating everybody over the head because let's face it, that gets headlines. That gets people to watch podcasts. It gets people to want to get more involved. But it's also manipulating you as a human being, and it's making you disconnected from what your reason to be here is. And, um, I won't get into that. Maybe in the future I'll get into what I, I absolutely am certain your reason to be here is, but it's a very simple answer. I'm kind of leading towards that, but if you see everything through this lens, all the technology All of the politics, all the philosophy and religion. All of a sudden you have one very simple quantum computer at your hands that solves almost every problem. You like throw the problem there. Okay, I can see how it plays out. You don't— it's— you become a futurist without even knowing it. You can kind of see how things will work out. It's not even a guess. You just kind of sit there and you kind of throw the ball up, turn your back, fold your arms. It's going to hit the ground. How do you know that? Because gravity always works. See, once you understand gravity and certain rules and principles, you're not guessing anymore. It's like being in a matrix and you can just kind of move, move things around. And it's the empowerment that I must say is if there is one big massive conspiracy across Almost every type of upper level. It's a conspiracy to keep what I just told you away from you— solving your own problems, fixing your relationships, not making fun of each other, not destroying each other, finding what really love is. Love is not a Hallmark card or channel. It's truly such a connection that you, you don't even know where you begin and the other person begins.

That's what it is. I apologize, but I need to run to another meeting.

Yeah, I really appreciate the discussion.

Thanks, Brian.

Thanks, Owen. Um, thank you all, man. So yeah, you know what, so we will wrap it up. I do have a doctor's appointment too, which I would be happy to cancel, but, uh, no, no, no, no, I know everybody's got to get on with their life, right? But Brian, this is like, this is why we need you here. Like, we— the chat is just blowing up. Like, honestly, We needed this. And, um, can you ask him? Oh, okay, give me one second. So I'll ask you some quick questions if you—

if they're really—

Okay, so one thing I want to suggest though for homework, everybody, you know, in the next week, find some quiet time to go to your file cabinet and let's get rid of some stuff in our filing cabinet, okay? Whether it's for a relationship or for your own sanity. And I'm listening to you, Brian, and Like I said, you know, we are the only species that continually punishes ourselves for things that already happened. You guys, like, did you ever have like a family member, maybe a parent, who like you're 50 years old, however old you are, and they're like, well, when you were 16 and you done it, and you're like, holy shit, are we still talking about this? Like, so just remember, the same goes for you. If you're still punishing yourself for something stupid, as Brian said, that you may have done in the past, you gotta let it go because you're giving yourself that same dialogue that maybe that other person was giving to you about something else. So the thing already happened, it's over, you can move past it now, you can get rid of it now. You don't have to keep punishing yourself for something you did. I'm sure you already paid the price for it. I'm sure you've already been punished, you had the consequences, you already lived with it. And now you can let it go. And you can move on from it. And it's like, like, that's not It's not your identity. It's not who you are. It's just a thing that happened or that you did, and it's over. And the other thing I want to say is, yes, I last— all right, so last night I rewatched our Scott Adams School with King Randall that we did a couple of weeks ago. It was so great, you guys. Go back and watch it again. Like, here's a 27-year-old man, and he is so focused on his community and how he's raising his family. And we can all participate. I love nothing more than spending a few hours in an assisted living or a nursing home. These people are just gems of important information. So, you know, you can adopt a senior citizen, adopt a younger kid, meaning just spend time with them to mentor them like King Randall was doing and like Brian's suggesting. There's so much we can do to be useful, to either heal wounds or gain wisdom Or, you know, make someone else's day brighter, make your own day brighter, which will make everyone's day brighter. So there are so many opportunities for us to benefit from the people around us and not be brought down by like what Twitter's saying or the media's saying. They all have agendas. So you have to always remember that the media has an agenda. The one question I wanted to ask you, of course, I'll miss you too, Metal Seer, is—

Thank you.

Somebody asked if you needed— oh gosh, where did it go— a certain type of computer. Oh, you guys, it just scooched away. Someone said, ask Brian if you need a particular computer for Grok, for the Grok TV. Okay.

The computer's in the sky. You can use your cell phone to do it. It's, it's so powerful. I mean, once you start riffing off of what you can do with GrokBot, And again, others will come, but this is like the inception point. I feel like it's the Apple iPhone moment for AI because AI was a Q&A type of thing. This is AI actually doing things for you like an employee. I started Zero Human Company and I did that on my own computers, but this is the manifestation of what that looks like.

Air gapping.

That was the word. Air gapping.

Yeah, air gap. You know, listen, ultimately you want to build a company where you own all of the hardware and software. But, you know, like Owen was saying, you want to rent until you get there, right? So ultimately, yeah, rent. And GrokBot is a powerful tool to be able to do that. You know, listen, Elon's not perfect, but if I got to bet money on the direction, I'm going to bet on a guy that wants to make sure humanity survives.

Right. Okay. So you guys are so cute in the chat. Brian, we are obsessed with you, you know. And you guys, I promise I will hunt down Brian till the ends of time. So he knows that he can't escape me because we need you. We need your advice. We need your wisdom. And we all love this so much. So I really hope that, you know, this, this conversation is inspiring to people. Talk with Brian today, you guys, was beneficial. It looks it looks like it really was. And look at how long we went on. You're the best. Thank you for staying and giving us your time.

Thank you. Thank you. You know, and what I'd love to do is sometime in the next month come back and talk to the people in the audience that have actually done the homework because we can we can do this together. I mean, our success stories. of being able to remove one item at a time. Basically, as you do one item, they all just start coming out and you start saying, oh, that's ridiculous. It's like spring cleaning. You're kind of throwing— what do I— I didn't use this for 30 years. What am I doing with that there? And look at it like a spring cleaning of your brain. And I can only promise you that your life is going to be better. There's no question about it. And there's one more thing I'll leave you with. We're all dealing with depression. The only way out of depression is not drugs, it's acts of kindness. If you want to go out and help somebody and you got even the slightest depression, you don't think you're worthy, go out and do it anyway. Those acts of kindness— what I used to do when I would get really depressed is I would take a broom and I would go out and sweep somebody's front of their house.

Oh.

And, and people would be like, what are you doing? I go, just helping mostly an old person. Um, and I just wanted to make everything look a little better for you.

I love that.

And it'd be a little challenge, like, oh, you don't think I want to keep things clean? No, I, I just— I got problems and I want— this is how I work through it. And all of a sudden people are making cookies for you, they're bringing out your drinks, you're meeting people. All of a sudden you're not depressed anymore. The way you beat this is with other people, and you connect with other people through acts of giving, acts of kindness. I'm not telling you to be a bleeding heart. I'm telling you to try to understand why you're here. If it's to accumulate this stuff, then you're going to be the richest person in the cemetery, right?

You don't want to be— that's not the reward. No, no, no prizes for that.

We're— no prizes for that.

Yeah, we're all dead in a box at the end of it, but, uh, or whatever you choose, maybe a mushroom suit, whatever you want. Um, so you guys, more about the mushroom suit another time. But so listen, you guys, how about that? So a little bit of homework. It'll make sure Brian comes back in a month. He said in a month. Can you imagine? So we'll do that. So let's, you know, go to the filing cabinet, get rid of some clutter that you don't need, that you've been holding onto and you just don't need it anymore. Maybe some random acts of kindness. Do something for other people. Maybe listen to your spouse, your significant other, your friends. Maybe it's your parents that you need to have a walk and talk with. Do some walking and talking. I think that's a great idea. And do it with yourself too.

You know, one bit of advice though, I gotta say, Erika, because this could be dangerous. Uh-oh. Don't ask or tell the other person to open their file cabinet. It's not your job to do that.

Right. Do your own.

The only way you can be is the example. And you can say, I found something out new. You can blame it on me. This weird guy with long hair in California gave me this idea to open up my file cabinet. I actually gave it a try and it kind of worked. So this is what I'm doing. I pulled this out and this was something I'm dealing with. And I don't want to talk about it necessarily. Because you don't need to talk about it. Once it's out, it's like, okay, this is not about having a 10-hour chat session with your significant other. Say, well, this is kind of how it made me feel, and I know that probably doesn't serve me, and it probably was wrong because I was younger then, I was dumber, and I didn't really understand what I know now. And I don't know why I was keeping it. So I'm gonna burn it, right? There's a pot of fire, and they're gonna be like, what is going on with this person? And if you do it enough and you do it consistently, you don't use it as a weapon of blame— see, you made me feel this way— if you're doing it that way, you're not doing it right. I said you're burning it, you're letting it go. You don't even need to necessarily talk about— you can identify with the head and of the file folder is. This is how I felt on this date when you cheated on me, damn it, or whatever it was. I'm burning it.

Yeah, you don't need to announce it.

Yeah, you don't need to go into all of that, but the act of doing that and the example of doing it is a liberation for you, and it's also giving them the, the freedom To get to that place. You're only ready to go where you're going when you're ready to get there, right? So your consistency of the example will liberate you, and other people will come along. They will come along sooner or later. They won't know it. They might resist it. Oh, what's going on with this freak here? You know, what's going on? Did you hit your head? You know, I'm telling you, if this is not in your normal wheelhouse and you're doing doing it, it's going to be even more dramatic for you and your partner. Me, it's not as dramatic because I've done stuff like this, but others, it's going to be like, wow. If you get really good as a grandmaster, you start forgiving people all over the world.

Wow. All over the world.

You start— this person 10 years ago, you literally Go through the same process of forgiveness. I don't necessarily always say go out and reach out to that person. I don't think that's necessarily always a good idea. That really requires a lot of wisdom. I don't want anybody to jump the gun on that. But if you can get to the grandmaster level of it, you can pick up the phone or find the person and say, I'm sorry. That's forgiveness, by the way. I am sorry. Is forgiveness. That's right. Sorry, there's not a lot of time to go into why that is, but it is.

I love to say sometimes when things are going on, and again, we're going in one second, guys. But I I do love to say the following sometimes: I'm sorry, I love you, thank you, and forgive me. Ho'oponopono. There you go. Just yeah, I don't know if.

You can kind of look into that. Yeah. Um, you know what I'm talking about.

Yes. And it just covers it all. And but you got to mean it. And it's like, yeah, you know, it's, it's all good. And I saw you crank one, your comment, you know, um, you, you don't have to, um, you don't have to accept behavior that you, you can't, uh, forgive. You know, it's okay to say like, well, some things I can't forgive, But you can just move on from it and let it go from you. You know, you don't have to accept things that were terrible.

It is, it is all about you. You don't have control over somebody else, right? So this is about you not drinking poison so you're hurting the other person.

That's right. Yep.

Stop it. Don't do it anymore. And once you're liberated from that, everything else tends to fall in place. And By the way, even that poor behavior stops becoming poor behavior by that example. And it isn't because you were wrong before, it's because we were all walking wounded through our life. I'm just saying, stop walking wounded.

Yes.

You have 2 legs, 2 arms. Look up rather than down and behind you. Look up and forward, and all of a sudden your life changes. And then anything you do politically, emotionally, philosophically, is 1,000 times more powerful.

I love it, you guys, so much. I mean, I literally could stay here all day chatting with everybody, um, but I can't, and Stella, my kitty, will not stand for it. I know, it's like, no, it's not a baby, it's Stella, um, it's my kitty. So, all right, you guys, so we have homework because Brian's gonna come back and, um, maybe we'll do another massive episode like this. It's gonna going to be fantastic. And if you have any questions, you know, like, let's chat about it. We have a group chat. I'm on X. You guys know how to find me. And let's, um, let's make Brian proud by making ourselves freer and more open and focusing on what really matters. And it's a great idea. If we don't fix this, we can't fix anything. So I think you're right, Brian. Our focus has to be within ourselves and our families and our communities. And rewatch, um, King Randall, you guys. And I suggest forwarding King Randall and this episode to people that you love and care about so we can actually have that, that great focus of, um, starting, starting at home, starting with—

Maybe we can do a Locals one day too. I would love, love, love that because I know this is a lot esoteric, you know, But there's a lot more to it once you really realize it. And it can go into a couple of hours once you break it down. I love that. And I'll give you authors, people you can read, stuff you can get on this reframing everything in your life. This is in the spirit of Scott. That's why I did this today is I started thinking about it. You know, we can talk about tech, but, you know, in our pre-call, we kind of like, you know, I'll just do something Scott would have loved.

I hope. Yeah, no, we'll do it. So I, I've been asking Brian for a long time too, like, that we could just do a subscribers-only space. It's, you know, we could be a little bit more informal, we can read the chat a lot more and just, you know, not worry about anything. So we will definitely do a subscriber space. Thank you so, so much. Um, all right, you guys, I'm not gonna stay and do an Akira song, uh, because I've gotta go. And Brian, thank you so, so, so much. I mean, I'll talk to you in between, but you are a gem. And we appreciate you so much. All right, everybody say goodbye so I don't cut you guys off. And the home team returns tomorrow to close out the week. Okay, guys, thanks all. Love you, Brian. All right, bye-bye. So good, right, you guys? We love Brian. He is, um, he's become a dear friend to me, and, uh, I appreciate him So much. So I'm so glad that he could be here for all of us. We we need a good episode like this, right? Best show ever. All right, guys. I better go to my doctor or she'll charge me. Okay. We don't pay him enough. I know for sure. All right, guys. Love you guys. See you tomorrow morning. Be good.