The Scott Adams School - 09/15/26 The Home Team. AI. Elon. Sacks. Kamala.

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Good morning. Good morning. We have to always bring the backstage to the front. So good morning, everybody. It's me, Erica, with Marcella and Owen in the middle.

Owen has a big head, you guys.

I do.

Yes, he does. So while we work out our head sizes, um, welcome in, come on in. It's Tuesday. Just, uh, so you know, tomorrow Owen will be off and our cousin Jeff Callahan will be here hosting with Marcella and I. So that'll be fun. For those of you asking for Jeff, he'll be here tomorrow. And there's Mike. Thing catching in. Okay. All right, guys. So let's see. YouTube has clicked in. I can see that. Oh, hi, Owen.

Welcome back.

Well, I see Rumble's in. All right. Looks like everybody's here, guys. So it's time for a sip. Let's do it.

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Oh yeah, I just had a top third of the cup sip too, and it's like still frothy because I froth my, uh, Whatever I put in there, I'm not even going to say it because I'm going to get in trouble. Um, Marcella, how'd you do yesterday at court?

I did well. I was like praying. I asked people for prayers and it went well. Like, it really— I was like, really? That's like— it went my way. Yes, unexpected. And I was just like So relieved because I had this hearing had been set for months on this motion, and I had been like thinking about it for a long time. The whole weekend I was like, you know, it is what it is. I'm gonna—

I hate that when you're dreading something and waiting for it.

Oh yeah. And especially if, if, I mean, it's not like it's bad to lose. It is bad to lose, but to have somebody that hates you on the other side that is like, takes like Uh, it, you know, it, I was like, oh, I gotta be ready for them to say awful things to me, you know? So thankfully enough, thank you guys. If you prayed, it worked out.

We did. We all did.

Congrats.

We're proud of you, girl.

I wanna see, I wanna see you and Andy, our other resident Locals lawyer, argue a case against each other.

Ooh, let's make up a fictitious case. We'll do it on Locals. We'll do it on Locals. We'll do it live. Um, okay. So I was—

Debate.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're— I was thumbing through some clips today and this cat just felt like Scott vibes to me, and I just wanted to show you. Let's take a look. Oh my God. So then what you don't see is after this clip, my cat picked up the printer and threw it out the window. Look at his little face. I love him—

her.

It happens to me when I print. I should video. Like, they look at it like, where is it coming from?

Yeah, they're like, okay. So I just, I haven't done an animal video in a while. So that was, that was more for me than you guys, but thank you for—

It's always fun to see like how, you know, animals react to technology, I think. Like my dog that we loved so much, she's the best dog that will ever exist. Um, passed away a couple of years ago, but, um, like she was deathly afraid of the vacuum cleaner. Oh yeah, just, just hated it. And, and we called it the— I think my wife came up with the name the Scary Death Machine and just referred to it that way whenever we would bring it out.

And, oh, that's cute.

But like, you know, you have like a Roomba or a vacuum cleaner or a printer, and it's like you never know, like certain things bother certain animals. It's not all of them. It's not like they all react the same way.

So they kind of have a personality or some kind of difference there, but My cat George, if I inhale, like if I go like that, or I don't know if I just like breathe in quick through my nose, he takes off. He's like, oh my God. I'm like, what the hell? I'm breathing. Like, what is wrong with you? It's so random.

I think the weird behavior of cats is one of the things that people like about them.

Oh yeah, for sure.

Lori likes the All In pod and Bewitched. Those are her favorite shows. She'll like go sit on the couch and watch, and I'm like, what is going on? And sometimes I'll play some music or something and she'll go with her ears like, oh.

Lori's Marcella's dog, not somebody in the chat, just so you know.

What does Lori think of The View?

Oh no, I don't know because I never put it on. I'm sure she'll run away.

Yeah.

Yep.

I don't want to torture her.

Oh, no. All right, so big news. Did you guys hear?

Are you feeling good, Mitch?

Looks good. He looks good.

Someone said, looks good. Give us a thumbs up.

Oh, no. It's sad.

It's pathetic. What are we doing?

Um, I mean, you know, it takes time to manufacture a clone robot.

Oh, my God. Wouldn't you make it a little bit more...

But they went in—

Scott said, you know, he'll be really impressed when they can move naturally instead of moving, like, slow and jerky. And, you know, so they're working on it.

But Mitch does move slow and jerky, so he should, should be easy. But, you know, God bless. I mean, we will do anything for power in politics, won't we? It's gross. So good luck, Mitch. I heard you had a great first day.

Well, if you were in a position to decide, would you tell him to retire and give up the political control?

Oh, yeah.

100%.

Yeah?

Yeah. It's not fair to our country.

Even if, like, wasn't it that there was, like, a Democrat that would be able to appoint somebody or something? I can't remember.

No, not in his state. His state changed the laws, probably because of this. But you, Owen, I remember you saying that it hasn't been tested, so it could be that the That the Democratic governor in Kentucky, I think, uh, could appoint somebody else.

Well, they did something where he— they waited too long on purpose so you couldn't put this other person in.

They put the wife in.

Oh, geez, Lord. Um, so anyway, I mean, but if we got Mitch out because he's pretty much incapacitated, there's probably a lot of other people that could just follow right behind him. And like I always say, listen, every Everybody can't wait to retire, right? You're like, oh, I work so hard. I save up my money. I make sure we have enough to retire, and then I'm gonna go do my thing. Except in DC, it is so strange. It's such a swamp, and it's so horrible. But they literally die at their jobs.

The the other place.

I think. Go ahead, Marcel.

No, the other place where I've seen people not retire real quick is. in law. You go on, I know attorneys are in their 80s. They will not retire. They will retire until they're dead. The same thing with the Reddington, Kevin Reddington, who represented Lindsay Clancy. He's in his 70s, so he probably will not retire. But go ahead, Owen.

Well, I would echo what you're saying and say I think the other field I've heard about at least and been told directly by the person who's in that field is dermatologists. that dermatologists tend to never retire. And he, he was retiring, which is why he was telling me this. So he was saying, like, you know, everybody's kind of surprised and like, it's sort of the norm. And I think it's because being a dermatologist is probably one of the easier doctor jobs. Like, you can kind of set your own hours. You're not like having people die on you very often, and you're mostly just treating like acne. And yeah.

This is the weirdest thing.

Acne?

What about skin cancer?

Well, I know that. I know they deal with those things. And, you know, he checked me out for that because I had, like, some mole that my wife was worried about.

TMI. TMI.

Okay. Well, in any case, I was fine.

I want to know about your mole.

No, I'm just kidding.

I was fine. But, you know, yes, they do deal with serious things like that. But I'm saying, like, you know, they're also not an oncologist, right? Like, if you have skin, they might help you find out that you have it. Well, they're not the one who Well, the little stuff. But if you really have like bad cancer, they'll send you to an oncologist.

You're not making friends in the dermatology field right now. I'm just telling you.

All right.

Well, I mean, what I'm trying to say is they enjoy it and it, it becomes kind of like, you know, their identity. And I think that's what the theme is across all these fields, like with lawyers and people in Congress. All kinds of trappings come with the job.

Blackmail and payola. All right, so wait, where are my Seinfeld people? Remember when Jerry went out with a dermatologist and he's like, she's She's not a real doctor. And then Elaine was like, skin cancer. And he's like, oh, cancer. Yeah.

All right, all right. But mine was old school. He was like, you know, really old. And like, when he did have— because I part of it, I brought my kids there too. And, and when they had this, you know, acne stuff, and, um, he would make his own treatment, like his own stuff. Like, he wouldn't send you to the pharmacy. He would be like, okay, here's this batch I just cooked up yesterday.

Owen?

Owen.

He came from the 19th century.

It was time for him to retire, just FYI.

Okay.

I mean—

I love the guy. He was awesome. I really enjoyed going to him. He was like 100%.

Have you been to another one since?

No.

And I think I would hate it because I think they're the big pharma kind where they just send you a bunch of prescriptions.

I know, but I think you should go. Just go just in case.

Okay.

You need more than a paste. Um, okay, so there we go.

I think everybody should retire at a good age because this would have not happened had he had retired like 5 years ago. You know, the same with certain lawyers and certain dermatologists. Like, you don't wait until like it's really bad.

I mean, I am for term limits, or at least an age limit or something, but I don't— I just don't see it happening because the people who would pass that law are the people that it would restrict. So how do you do that?

Well, I think there, instead of term limits, I think there should be some kind of cognitive, uh, like, you know, some kind of test. Um, there is a test people do have. Um, I do conservatorships and they, you know, there's neurologists and all that, the test for dementia and things like that. So there's tests already created. Can they jump past it? With flying colors. Yeah.

He did the best ever of anybody, right?

Oh my God, the comments! But this dermatology is hysterical. Okay, so moving along to another subject. I almost said something not nice, so I didn't want to do that because I'm so sweet. Okay, so listen, you guys. Bless your heart. Bless my heart because I'm moving to Kamala, and I was like, "Ooh, Erica, rein it in." Do you guys remember this clip? Take a listen.

So I'll tell you one of the things about me. So I'm kind of a nerd on certain levels about certain things. So here's one reveal. I love Venn diagrams. I love Venn diagrams. I'm telling you, whenever I'm facing like a conflict and I need to sort it out, give me a Venn diagram.

Let's, let's see. Do we bomb Iran? Uh, I need a Venn diagram. Can someone get me those circles? I mean, holy cow, whenever she has a conflict and she has to work it out— someone get me a Venn diagram. Imagine the thought process.

How does that make you a nerd?

She doesn't know. Um, but that was amazing. So I was listening to this whole thing. I don't even want to set it up. I'm just going to play this for you so you can watch it the way I watched it. Okay, but let's take a listen. You're, you're going to be watching Gavin Newsom now fly fishing with Jake Tapper.

Yeah, it's a lot of Democrats.

31 flavors.

And you're not even the only Californian.

No, right? Yeah.

You got Ro Khanna.

Yeah.

Kamala.

Yeah.

I don't know if she runs, but we'll see.

I know she's called around.

Yeah. But I wouldn't run if she ran.

If she runs, you will not?

Of course not. Why would I? I wouldn't do that to her. I wouldn't do it to me. Why would I? I wouldn't do that to you. I wouldn't waste everyone's time. Who needs that?

What do you mean?

That doesn't even make sense to me.

I just— I wouldn't. Why? No, I wouldn't. But first of all, electorally, it's a gift from God for everybody else. They enjoy the hell out of it. Mutual assured destruction. It services no Great or good.

I mean, you do whatever you want.

I don't care.

But like, but, but like, counterargument would be like, you know, she had a shot.

Yeah.

And you've never run and she's, she's run twice.

Yeah. I mean, that would be the— that'd be the approach to the campaign. Certainly that would be the case you'd make. Pretty good one, actually. You know, that's, that's objectively true. I just— but I know what that means. I know her base of supporters. I know her friends. The Venn diagram on that is just pure crossover. It's not— I wouldn't do that to— I wouldn't do that.

So one likes a Venn diagram and this one likes a Zen diagram. This whole thing had me, like, in stitches last night watching this. Just everything. It was so fake. It's so fake, but it was so telling. And I think that Newsom was kind of talking out of his ass. Shocker. But you know that he's like, oh, I, I wouldn't run. And he's probably like, oh my God, did I just say that? Or, or is he looking for a way out because he knows he won't win? So what do you think, Marcela?

I think he's hinting to Kamala, is like, okay, you better not run because I want to run. You had your time. I want to run. So it's kind of like already prepping the audience, you know, um, the Dem audience. Because remember, this is not for us. This is for— well, I assume most of us aren't Democrat, so this is for the Democrats. And, um, I, I think he's just, you know, laying the groundwork to be like, okay, I waited for her not to, you know.

Um, what do you think, Ellen?

I thought it was hilarious because like, I— he kind of let it slip that really what he was worried about is that he wouldn't win. If that happened, that's what I think. Like, he wouldn't win the primary. He kind of said it. He's like, I wouldn't do that to her. I wouldn't do that to— and then he caught himself before he said me, because he realized that it would just destroy him. And I think the other part that's implied by all this is that they know all the dirty laundry of each other because they're both from the same area and they've been working kind of together on things in California. And so it would become this knockout, drag-out fight. They would both come out dirtied and bad by it. And I think the other point he tried to make was just we're fighting for the same base, we're fighting for the same people because we're both kind of in this California politician model. So we have the same donors, so we'd be fighting over money and all that. So I think he's just saying that just wouldn't work out well for us, either one of us probably. But I do think it's probably more he's realizing if he ran against Kamala, Like, he would lose that.

Like, the—

all, all the people that he's saying are— they have in common in their Venn diagram, um, are the same people, and they probably would all go with Kamala. And so, wow, I think he realizes that he just wouldn't have a chance.

Or they're just like, for— but, but then you have another problem. So they're both California, then Ro Khanna is probably jumping in also, from what I see.

Um, Well, there's also this, this thing he carefully avoided talking about, which is the DEI stuff. Like, he's, he's the loser on that front.

But are they still doing that? Are they, you know—

Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

AOC said Woke One was crazy.

No, they're, they're, they're still doing it. They're just trying to wait out Trump so they can take, take out all the EOs and go back to how it was.

Oof.

So, and I find it interesting, like, you can see, like, Jake Tapper says, um, well, she already had her shot. She ran twice and you haven't yet. And you see Newsom's like, that's a good point, Jake. Like, oh, that's a great idea.

It's all, it's all, it's all planned.

Do you think Tapper was set up for that?

Yeah, yeah. This is very Democrat. This is very Democrat. It's probably already been decided that he's going to be, but they want to make it soft landing for Kamala to save face. That's what my take is, because it didn't work out for them. So they ran Biden, it worked. They ran Kamala, it didn't work. So now they're gonna run a white guy again, just like Biden. So either Pete or him. And that's why he's trying to— Pete came out yesterday and said there's never been a gay president.

We're like, man, you—

Pete came out yesterday? I love Peter.

I mean, who could take Pete? Pete Buttigieg, I can't take him seriously. I think Ro Khanna has more of a presence to him than Pete. And I think that Pritzker has accomplished more in his life when you're comparing people, but the Pete Buttigieg thing is so wild to me that he's even considered. I don't know.

All right.

I agree.

I think he's kind of this, he may be sort of intellectually smart. You know, he worked for McKinsey and all that. But like, I just think his charisma is awful. It's just he doesn't appeal to people. And I don't really think it's because he's gay. I do think he makes a little bit too big of a deal of that. Like, you know, he had those videos with him like nursing his adopted child and all this, and it just— you don't need to show that stuff.

But I just—

but I think the main issue is, is that he just isn't likable. And, uh, you know, I agree that as, as reluctant as I would to say it, that even Pritzker the Hutt is more likable than Buttigieg.

Really?

I don't know about likable, but maybe more commanding or something.

Well, yeah, I mean, I, I— maybe likable is the wrong word because I certainly don't like him, and I don't know how anyone does. But like, he just— I, I don't know.

He's accomplished more, and he, he talks.

Yeah.

More aggressively, whatever you need. But, and I mean, even Newsom, he looks like a little femboy himself. I mean, he's very, you know, first of all, I don't find him attractive or appealing in any way, shape, or form. Let me just put that out there. But he's very coiffed and polished and like, oh, he's like so self-conscious of like what he's looking like. And I'm just like, oh my God.

It's very attractive.

You think?

Especially in person.

Yeah.

Not my type.

Um, I mean, it doesn't have to be our type, but he has that presidential look with the hair.

I just think his style is like used car salesman. That's how he comes across to me.

Slimy. Slimy. And now that he's trying to curse more, right? Right. Now that he's trying to curse more.

I was a car salesman once. You were?

Yeah.

In my 20s. Of course I was.

Oh my gosh. That's so funny. So I just found that whole thing interesting, but, you know, we'll see. who the Democrats pick for the Democrats to vote for. It's just going to be shoved down your throats again. So have fun with that. I just— but when he said Venn diagram, it's just sent me. Okay, so we do want to follow up with the AI stories we were talking about yesterday, stories like, you know, once upon a time. But let me start, actually, I have one more Kamala clip for you. Because we never got her take on AI. And I thought we would start with her since we're talking about this now, and then we'll move along to everybody else. AI explained by Kamala.

AI is kind of a fancy thing. It's, first of all, it's 2 letters. It means artificial intelligence. But ultimately what it is, is it's about machine learning. And so the machine And part of the issue here is what information is going into the machine that will then determine, and we can predict then if we think about what machine, what information is going in, what then will be produced in terms of decisions and opinions that may be made through that process.

Okay.

It's just 2 letters, Owen?

Yeah, that's it.

I mean, really, when they made AI, they just typed in those 2 letters and it came out.

All right. All right. All right, guys. That clears it up.

Yeah, she got it.

AI-105, if you know what that means. She was the AI star. Yeah.

And if you just push a bunch of information into your computer, it somehow learns all by itself.

Like a machine. She was also the border czar, so there's that. Okay, so I wanted everybody to hear from a few people on this subject, and one being David Sachs. So David Sachs commenting on Dario, I thought there's two good points to this. Let's listen to David. Let's check him out. So Dario Amadei, you think is incorrect in predicting the worst outcomes here?

Well, I think if Dario believes that we're going to have the worst outcomes, my question for him is, why are you doing this? It doesn't make sense to me that you're running a frontier AI company if you think frontier AI is going to end humanity. So again, I would push that back on him and say, how are you going to make this safe? And if you don't think you can, you should probably either shut down the company or step aside and let someone else lead it.

Now, those are very strong words from David Sacks. He has a lot of influence in this world, in the AI tech world. And I also want to point out that Greg Gutfeld made a fantastic point about this. By Dario putting out this panic and saying, someone should regulate us, I don't know what's going to happen, he's potentially creating a Luigi Mangione effect where people are like, we have to maybe get this thing away before it does bigger damage. And so it's like you're putting a target on your employees' backs if you're saying that something like this is so critical and crucial. And I I love David Sachs saying step aside or let someone else do it. So I happen to, as much as I can trust somebody, is as much as I trust David Sachs as far as people who I tend to trust their opinion. So Owen, what do you think?

Well, I agree. I mean, I think to me this is just a PR disaster the way they've approached this and messaged this. And I saw someone comment recently, in China they're not doing that. Their messaging there apparently, uh, is like more positive and, and like saying AI is good and AI helps people. And, um, you know, I've seen other people make the point that if this AI was so super powerful and, you know, could do anything, then it could also solve a lot of our problems. And, um, that, that would probably be much more likely than killing all of humanity. You know, if it was really capable of killing all of humanity, it could probably also cure cancer and clean up the government and get rid of all the fraud. And, and like, those, those are easy problems compared to killing all of humanity. So, you know, I think there's a lot of different perspectives on this, but I think I agree with David Sacks that, you know, if you truly believe that, like if you did have some insider information, some new model that was so scary and dangerous, and if you released it, it would be the end of the world, well, what would you do? You wouldn't release it, right?

Right.

You might say, you know what? We're just not going to go there. Like, I, you know, it's— I know there's like stories about how Oppenheimer was like worried about creating the nuclear weapon. And I think originally they really didn't know if it would end the world when they did that. But I think the only reason they did it was just because it was like this, you know, we got to beat Hitler, we got to win World War II. And I think if we weren't in that situation, they would never have done that.

Right.

I hope, I hope at least. And, you know, it's not that I necessarily trust scientists in general to not do something really dangerous because we've seen plenty of examples of the opposite. And maybe that's kind of his point too. But I think, um, certainly I would want the leadership of these types of companies, of a potentially dangerous technology, to be trying to steer it in the right direction and to try and make it not do that and lead towards the good outcome. And, uh, I think Elon Musk is doing that with Grok. And, um, you know, I would hope that, that they would do that at Anthropic and OpenAI as well. And, you know, I, I think they're at least doing a half-hearted attempt, but I would say there's been a long history now of all their safety researchers quitting.

Yeah.

This isn't the first one, the one that had this big splash recently.

Are they going elsewhere?

Well, a lot of them, I mean, they may have gone to a competing company in many cases, but I think there have been many stories that I've seen come across my feed of an OpenAI safety researcher quit because he doesn't think they're taking it seriously. In terms of safety. And, and like that, so there's been this whole series of these, and, you know, this one was from Anthropic, but it's something that I think there are a lot of concerns that these companies aren't really taking safety seriously and that they're just charging ahead. And I do get the dilemma that like, because anytime you talk about security or safety or, you know, it's kind of like you're just slowing the whole thing down.

Yeah.

You know, you're— because that's what you have to do. You have to say, well, we got to put it through all this testing and we got to be really rigorous about it. And with AI, it's kind of hard because it crosses into so many areas. Like, what that means in AI is you have to test every possible bad scenario, and it's probably impossible to find them all.

Right.

So you almost have to let lots of other people try things and just fix them as you find them. And it's very expensive too, because, you know, retraining a model is like a at this point, probably like a billion-dollar thing. And so it's, it's a challenge. But, you know, again, the dynamics of this situation is like you have China just barreling ahead, you have all these open-source models. And that's frankly one of my concerns is that, you know, and so others have had this concern where they're saying download your local models now because, you know, the way people are talking about this, they might just decide this technology is too dangerous. We can't let people have it on their own because we can't control what they're going to do with it, and they can take off all the guardrails, which is apparently trivially easy. So, you know, you can basically remove all the safety, and that may mean that they'll try and centralize it and cut off all the, you know, decentralized or democratic nature of letting people have this technology to run on their own. And then you'll be stuck only being able to use OpenAI and Anthropic and nobody else.

Marcella, I have a question. I don't know if you know. That's thanks, Owen. We're we're sticking on this for a while. So what is you know like? So President Trump says whoever wins AI wins, and so what does it mean if you know? Otherwise, we'll we'll figure it out together. But what does it mean if China does something first? I mean, what like what are they gonna get first? Like what are they gonna do first that we can't do? So is it is it really important for us to do? Whatever we're doing before China? Yeah.

I mean, if they, I mean, it could mean various things for, for America and for President Trump, but mainly is who is ahead of the AI race. I mean, they have different measures that they have, all these models do. And it's always, we've always been ahead of the measurements of how things work out with AI, but mainly it's getting to AGI, getting to that idea that The machine can control itself and can, you know, basically understand itself and, and do everything itself. So right now we have to prompt it, we have to code it, we have to do certain things. Now we have agents that do their own things, but I believe, uh, Owen can talk about this if, if we have time. But, um, like, agents still have to check with a human, have to check in now and again with a human. So—

Well, they don't have to. They don't. You can tell them that they don't have to.

Okay. So, but AGI is not there, right?

I would say no. I would say it's not AGI.

But what is AGI? Can you, can you tell us?

Well, it's more of a, like a, it is kind of hard to define because it can mean different things to different people. Like we started out with something called the Turing test, which was something back from, you know, the World War II days. But that was basically saying, okay, let's define this concept of saying if you can pass this Turing test that Alan Turing came up with, which essentially was more of a thought exercise where it's like if you can't tell whether you're talking to a human being or a machine, then that was his definition of AGI. Because an AGI, for anyone who doesn't know, is artificial general intelligence. But I think it is meant to be that same concept where it's like, is thing able to do everything that a person could do, able to talk like a person, able to convince you. Well, so ASI is when it's artificial superintelligence, and that means it's smarter than any person.

Right.

So there's these 2 standards they're kind of talking about, and I think the general intelligence piece is a big deal just because if it is really as smart as a person, for pretty much everything, and I think that's the definition. It's not just on one topic, it's like, you know, everything. Then you basically have this all-purpose— you could replace anybody with a computer, at least in terms of whatever a computer can do, like what you could do at a keyboard. Um, and, and then you could replace pretty much everybody that does a computer-based job.

One example I can give Erica and the audience is like, I think it can possibly do this now though. It can break into any, any government. Um, it can break into any password, any, any kind of protection that you have over government data or over anything. You can break into it. You can break into banks. You can do all sorts of things. So basically we can— you can create, uh, chemical warfare. You can create— you can log into the nuke program somehow. I don't know if it's connected online. Um, or how that would happen. But I mean, I mean, that's the fear, right?

That's— I mean, that's a great— that, that alone, just—

I'm all planning.

Yeah, it's just like, okay, if they could break into our top secret files, let out all the criminals, uh, the doors that open.

I mean, one way to think about this is that like you see the drone warfare race right now, right? Like it's— you have these drones and whoever has the best drones will win kind idea where you're starting to see, and I've seen a few stories recently where there's like a drone-on-drone warfare sort of thing happening already. And so, if you apply the same thing to computers or to AI, it's like you're going to have AI fighting AI. And in the case Marcel is talking about, if something's trying to break into your system and steal your data, you might have an AI that's trying to stop them. And so, the better AI is going to win. And I think Trump and David Sacks are focusing more on the economy and the economic impact because if you have this AGI and if you win the AI race, then that's going to potentially have a huge impact on your economy because you're going to be able to produce goods and services a lot cheaper than everybody else. And so if you win the AI race and you're way ahead of, let's say, China, Then we're going to beat China because we can make all these companies that can produce products and services more cheaply than they can and better than they can and all these other things more quickly than they can. And if they win, the opposite is true. You know, they're, they're, then they're going to be able to produce goods and services a lot cheaper and faster and better. And so whichever economy has the best AI is probably going to win in the long run.

Okay. So let me ask everybody, um, In the chat, does that make more sense to you? Because I, you know, I was talking to Owen before the show and I was saying, you know, oh gosh, like years ago when Scott started talking about AI, I would be like, oh, not this again, not AI. Like, it's just my brain just does not love these conversations. But I mean, obviously now I'm more interested. Um, but back then it was so new and everyone's using weird lingo and I needed Kamala's explanation, but now hearing why it is important that we do it first before, you know, someone that doesn't love us, um, I think it makes more sense to me. So now I understand why there is like a race to do it. Um, before I was like, well, who cares who gets there first? But now I'm like, oh no, this all makes a lot of sense to me. So do you guys feel like that's clearer to you now? And then, and then let's— I do want to play one other thing. No, more things, a couple of things. But here we have Jensen Huang, who is the CEO of Nvidia. So he was at the All In conference, a summit that the All In podcast does. So the All In podcast, I recommend everybody who has any kind of interest in this thing, listen to the All In podcast. They're They're really great. I have beef with one of them, but that's different. I always have to say, me and one of them, we're having some beef behind the scenes, but they're super smart, well-versed on these subjects, and have all the best guests and people that will come talk to them because of their reputations. And so they had a summit and everybody who's anybody in this field participated. So let's listen. This is about a 4-minute clip, I think. Um, you gotta love this. Here's Jensen Huang. I'm just letting you know who he is, the CEO of Nvidia. Let's take a listen.

Hold on, sir, we're getting a microphone. Mr. President, you're now talking to the planet.

You see, the great thing about life is that Jensen can develop the most complex computer chip in the world that nobody can copy for 10 years, but he can't figure out how to put me on speaker. We have to remember this one. So roasted the AI, it's almost this conspiracy. And the happiest group is China, and China is very happy. And I could even say in the country, a lot of states are happy that weren't going to get anything because they're being, uh, inundated by people that want to be there. But now all of a sudden you see they're building in Finland, they want to build one Google. wants to build a big one in Finland, which I'm not happy about because they were unable to get permitting. And I'm telling you, it's all a hoax. The data centers are great and they make people wealthy and they make states wealthy. And it's the oil of the next 20, 25 years. It's bigger than the internet and the AI, you know, much more so. And, uh, they're just playing right into the hands of a lot of people that don't want to see it happen. And that could be political people, and it could also be China. And we're not going to let that happen. It's a hoax.

And—

You're right.

We're not going to let that happen, sir.

No, we're not going to let it happen. The robots are not going to be taking over the world, and that's not going to happen. You know, my uncle was the top, probably maybe the best of all time, frankly, professors at MIT for 41 years. 42 years and known as being one of the most brilliant men. And he was, he was there for 41 years as the top. He was like at the top, top of the ladder, top of— did many things. Jensen knows all about it, but did many things. So I have a little genetic, a little genetic strength, if you believe in the racehorse theory. But I do. I have genetics.

That explains why you know so much about AI.

Yeah, well, I know about AI. I know— I also have common sense about AI. Uh, the robots will not be taking over. Uh, the AI will not be taking over the rest of the world. The whole thing is a hoax. Now, with that, we have to be a little bit careful. We have to very be— you know, we have to do things and we have to do them prudently. But that doesn't mean we're going to stop an industry, because, you know, as we work on the next 10 years about how to destroy it. So I'm with you all the way. I didn't even know how you felt about it. I assumed you felt the same way as me.

Yes, sir.

And we— if we're going to lead— and I have an expression, it's whoever wins AI wins. That's how big it is. It's bigger than the internet. And whoever wins AI wins. And we can't let this kind of stuff happen. And that includes— very much includes data centers. There are communities that were dying that have data centers right now, and now they're wealthy communities. Yeah, really wealthy communities.

We're going to make sure that— we're going to make sure that everybody— we're going to make sure that everybody wins in the AI race in America. Every industry, every company, every state, every people.

Good. Well, I feel strongly about it, and I have the position that can do something about it. We're not going to let that stuff happen. So I have no idea who's at the meeting. I have no idea who the hell I'm talking to, but I'll see you there.

Did you, did you hear that? Did you hear that? Thousands of people are clapping for you, sir.

All I know, if you're there, you better listen to Jensen. But he's done an amazing job, and David has done an amazing job. And good luck to everybody. And we're going to stay with the future. The country has never done better. We have $20 trillion of investment coming into the country, and that's as opposed to Much less than $1 trillion under Sleepy Joe Biden. And that was for 4 years. This is in 1 year. So, you know, it's really— the country is— there's never— the country has never seen anything like it. And we're going to keep it going. And so thank you all very much.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Thank you, Justin.

Thank you.

I'll call you back later. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you.

That's fun. He's he's so like accessible and just like oh all right there's a summit I'll call in you know and just riff and go. I mean he is too funny with the genetic stuff. He's like yep my uncle must make me one of the same. But what a boss right? So that was fun. And one thing I love about the all in guys is. They, you know, Trump first term, they were like, uh-oh, like, you know, I don't think we like this guy, you know, whatever. And then they had time to deal with Biden and then they got to know Trump and now they're just tickled by him, which I think is kind of interesting and cute. But, um, Owen, let me come to you first on this one.

So, yeah, well, I mean, what strikes me is that like the people who are on Trump's side, I think are the ones that have kind of figured out Trump. Like, they figured out how to deal with him. They figured out what he's all about. They figured out what he's trying to do, and they've aligned themselves to him. And, you know, you can say they're sucking up to him or whatever, but like, you know, they've figured out how to operate with him as opposed to against him. And I also see the other side where there's a lot of people that still underestimate him. And I posted about this in response to the Darius Samodi thing that like, you know, I think, I think he really underestimated Trump. When he sent that letter, I think he thought he could kind of do you know put one over on him or something like to get him to do this thing that would basically essentially lock in their profits, lock in their margins, box out their competition. And really, I think if we dig into it enough, you'll understand that he was trying to essentially control the industry because I saw a post that went through some of this detail where it was like. If you, if you really dig in and say, you know, who does Modi think should be regulating the industry? They recommended somebody that in theory is some independent body, but then when you follow the money, it's all funded through Anthropic.

Mm-hmm.

And they own a bunch of Anthropic stock. And so if Anthropic fails, then this independent supposedly body fails because all their money goes away. And if Anthropic does great, then they do great because they have a big stake in it. So they're not independent at all. And so I think he thought, okay, if I can do this, I can basically make sure that our company succeeds and is one of the winners and all this and slow everybody else down. And I think he just underestimated Trump. I think he thought he could convince Trump to go along with it. And I think Trump is doing a great job saying, nah, We're not, you know, he just smacked him down, said, you know, go back and make sure you're not doing something bad. Because, you know, I think he also posted about this in the sense of like, you know, we're watching you. Like, you better not do something that's going to destroy humanity, and it's your responsibility not to. And, um, so I think, you know, he kind of put him in his place. This is the way I see it.

Right. Okay, Marcella, did you— I loved what Jensen said too. Like, I, I I feel like he had a positive message, like, we're going to make sure everybody wins in every industry they're in in America. And yes, a lot of us loved how he's like, all right, I'll call you back later.

Yeah, no, and Jensen, I don't think it was— it wasn't in the clip, but he talked about how, okay, I don't think you can destroy the world with AI, at least At least the companies may be able to eventually, but like your, your, um, you know, your corner terrorists won't be able to because they have to have what he called the power to compute. They have to have all sorts of, um, computer, you know, data centers, like something huge like that. You know, obviously there's Iran and North Korea and all that, and they have that kind of funding to do that in Russia and China. But, you know, he was just trying to be positive about it. But one thing that I found funny is that Jensen, um, the Nvidia, uh, CEO, he was talking about how Trump calls him all the time. And like, it'll be like really late at night and he'll be like, oh, it's 2 in the morning, let's call Jensen to talk about something, you know. And he's like, that's why— that was his phone too.

Yeah.

Jensen's phone. And at first I thought, and Jason mentioned this too, that he thought it was a bit like it wasn't really Trump on the phone because, you know, how does he have time to do all this? You know, so it ended up being actually President Trump on the phone. So that was interesting. But I think, um, in regards to what Owen was saying, I don't— I, I think, um, Dario, regardless of how much I, I dislike him, I think he didn't— I think he made a play for the Democrats. I think that the whole issue, he sees the midterms coming up and he sees that the, you know, this is why when I just, I sense it maybe it's when Obama came out, Kamala Harris has come out against pausing AI, and then Bernie Sanders even Before Coxon came out, the whistleblower, he had already been talking about a bill that he wants to pass. A bill was just passed two days ago on Monday. No, that's a day ago by Gavin Newsom and the Democrats here. So the idea is to side with them since he sees the writing on the wall that they're kind of winning. The midterms. That's my take. So who knows?

Okay. Now, I cannot do anything on this without hearing from one of my favorites, Elon. So let's—

I thought God. I was like—

God. No, no, Elon. I love you, Elon. Elon, call me. Okay, so let's listen to Elon because This is just how I make my final thoughts on things. Nothing's final, by the way. I'm just saying. Here we go.

So Elon, this weekend when you said Dario is right, did you mean Dario is right about describing the potential harm? He's right about describing the regulatory solve? Both?

The first?

The latter? Just can you help us understand when you said that? Because I think it was sort of a moment where everybody said—

I probably should have said that Justario is right. I did try to clarify it in subsequent posts on X, but those get much less attention. So what I meant by he's right is that the danger of AI is very significant at this point. That we need to do better with AI safety. or we have at this point exponentially increasing risk with the AI models. So, and I've heard this not just from Dario, but from many other people at Anthropic. And in fact, they've posted on X about it, that, you know, when a lot of people from Anthropic and from OpenAI are telling you that their models are very dangerous, I think we should believe them. It certainly is like some crazy 4D chess to, you know, say there's whatever, 10% chance of annihilating humanity. But by the way, how much allocation would you like in our IPO?

That's a good point. Marcela, I'll come to you first on Uncle Elon. I remember him years ago saying we needed to slow down on AI and that we're going way too fast. So he's consistent in that. Any take on his opinion?

He's consistent, but he's I think he's misunderstanding where, or maybe he maybe he knows this, but he didn't say it there. Dario's motives for this and probably can't you know talk further about it. But but I I think Anthropic their motives to come out and say this is not to protect the world; it's to protect themselves. So one of the things that I think they're trying to do, and Elon might be. might be thinking of this too, is getting immunity from the government for anything that happens with AI, meaning that they can't be sued, kind of like drug companies, Big Pharma, certain things they can't be sued on, like the vaccine when it came out and the Warp Speed, because it was unknown what could happen and it was experimental. And yet we were told to get it. But anyways, I—

Let's hope we learn, people. Let's hope we learn.

But basically what immunity means is like if somebody gets affected by AI, they would not be able to sue these companies because you took the risk of using it and you're not, you know. So I think they're angling for that. The fact that Elon was talking about safety too in that case and how they're afraid You see that recently, uh, with Meta. Meta had a—

Meta is Facebook, you guys.

Meta is Facebook, or Facebook is one of the companies Meta owns. Um, Instagram is another. Um, but basically they had a— I don't want to say how many, I, I don't recall how many states sued them, uh, but a lot of states sued Meta in regards to how Um, how the app is like, uh, very, uh, addicting, something like that. And, um, basically they settled for $18 billion and without, uh, saying— without saying it was their fault. But basically I think what Elon and Dario are looking at is, oh, there's going to be a lot of liability. And Naval came out and said Who's liable, right? In one of Naval was on X saying talking about liability, and I was like, oh, they're talking about liability. They're talking lawyers. They're talking lawsuits. They're talking these kind of things. They are wanting immunity. That's my take. They have not said that themselves. I've said it.

All right. No, that's a that's a good take. Owen on Elon thoughts.

Yeah, I mean, I— well, you know, certainly Elon's a very smart person, a lot smarter than me, and I, I respect his opinion. And I do think that AI could be a huge threat, and there is at least some remote possibility that it could be a disaster. But I think— I still, I still think that it's much more likely that we're gonna go, you know, maybe too quickly, maybe quickly, but not that we're suddenly gonna have this like exponential thing. I mean, I could be wrong, you know, maybe one day they'll be like, okay, it's self-improving. We just, you know, now we have this super intelligence and it's like the new species that some people describe it as. But I guess I just haven't seen evidence of that. And I'm just kind of skeptical of this whole narrative that they're painting because it just— I think it is very self-serving. I think it's like they're— part of it is fundraising to say we have this powerful technology that's so powerful it's going to change the whole world. And we're going to basically be underlying every single thing that everybody does. And that's the only way you can justify these types of valuations. So they kind of have to tell a story like that to get that kind of money. And they need that kind of money to do what they're trying to do because it's so expensive to do. And I am kind of still thinking we might have some kind of bubble or collapse because they might just run out of investment money that they can raise. But, and I think that may be part of the picture here. I mean, we just saw OpenAI cancel essentially their IPO, and I'm not sure exactly what's behind that, but they basically said it's a bad time to do it.

Yeah, they were going to go public like next week or something, and they're not now. So, which is not a good time for sure.

Well, I'm just, you know, and I, you know, I don't know. So it just seems to me like a lot of this, there's a lot of motives that have nothing to do with we're worried about humanity. And I really don't believe that that's their primary motivation, because these people like Sam Altman and Modi are probably almost certainly sociopaths. And like, they care about themselves. They care about their success, their money, their, you know, power, whatever. And I think those are the motives that I see as being dominant in those conversations. And then in that context, you have to say, Okay, you have to take their statements in that frame. You can't say, oh, these are just benevolent people that are trying to protect us, because that's just not what it is. And so you have to look for these things like people are looking for to say, okay, what's really going on? Let's follow the money. Let's do the things Scott taught us to say, let's make sense of this. And I think when you do that, you find all this stuff where it's like, okay, they're doing these warnings, it's all very orchestrated, it's probably coordinated, and they're trying to work around antitrust laws, and they're trying to box out their competition, and they're trying to make it so that they can become profitable, which is not really very clear how they're going to do that. And, um, you know, you have this very competitive situation where you have China and you have, you know, multiple companies in this country trying to jockey for market share. And China is a big threat there because like they're basically putting out all their stuff as open models where lots of people can run it really cheaply. And so that undercuts their price. And I mean, it's significant. Like if you just look at like using Claude or ChatGPT and then compare that to the equivalent latest greatest models out of China, I mean, it could be like a 10x difference. Like, it's significantly different. And so you have to take all that into play if you really want to understand what's going on. And it probably is too complex for any of us to really analyze fully. But I do think that Elon, I trust to have better motives than Modi and Sam Altman.

Yeah.

I think he really does have humanity's best interests at heart. And so I— it's one of the reasons why I respect his opinion a lot more than the others. But, um, you know, to me it's like it should be a company's responsibility not to do something that damages the world or damages humanity. And they shouldn't be asking the government to just say, you know, make us— make us successful and take away our liability and, you know, let us regulate ourselves and, you know, basically control the entire industry. And in this context, the way they've been talking about it, the implied Yes, Owen.

Yes, Marcella. This is going to be an ongoing discussion. Well, maybe just till the end of the century. No, at the end of the decade, according to some. But I was laughing. I was listening. Megyn Kelly, I can't remember the name of the people she had on. They were so good talking about this. And she's like, so can I stop going to the gym now and eat whatever I want? Like, if I have 3 years left, like, screw it. I know, I'm just like, yeah, do I have to pay my taxes? Like, should I be going on vacations? What are we doing? Um, so, uh, thank you. I'm glad you found this to be a useful show. It was for me as well because, uh, Marcella and Owen know vastly more about this subject than I do, and I love learning about it. Um, so, you know, we obviously— this conversation will continue in the future. But probably not tomorrow. Tomorrow we have a different plan. So, you guys, here we are. We're at time. And I hope that everybody learned a little something about this, like maybe go off into the world today with a little more knowledge of maybe what's happening. And I just say maybe because it's, it's constantly moving. But I hope that we did learn from the pandemic that Pfizer and all these companies getting blanket immunity pardons on their drugs is basically what they had to basically kill people with no consequences and create a lot of problems. Oh my God. Allegedly.

Allegedly.

And it's just my opinion, you guys, that this is what they did. But they did. They did. So anyway.

Allegedly.

Allegedly, allegedly. That's my attorney right there. So anyway, you guys, we need—we just need to be more informed. And I think that past things like the pandemic, plandemic, geared us up to think critically about the things that come in front of us again. So if we're going to hear big language again, like we're all going to be dead in three years, okay, that's some. next-level fear porn, and we have to like step back and be like, what the hell?

6 feet apart from that AI, missy. Yeah, you need to stand 6 feet apart.

Yeah, so, you know, and we'll adopt every rule, the 48-hour rule, the whatever, um, and, and they come to Scott Adams School and talk about it rule, which we're, we're doing now. So Owen, we're gonna miss you tomorrow and the next day.

I know you're— yeah.

Yeah, he's like, yeah. No, I definitely— I mean, I'd love to be here every day, and so I'll miss you, and I'll be back on Friday, I think.

Yay, Friday! All right, good. We'll get Owen back at the end of the week. Marcella, I'll see you tomorrow with Jeff. So you guys, let's say thank you to Scott and Shelley for allowing the Scott Adams School to continue and go on. I hope that you did find this show useful. If you did any part of it, hit the thumbs up, hit the like, hit the subscribe, hit the little notification bell, all the little things. To everybody that shows up here, like I have to just shout out the beloveds. Like you guys are just my sanity in life. Can you believe it? Love you guys. We love you guys. We appreciate every single one of you so so much. We we always talk about how fun and funny and smart all of you are, and good. Looking, um, especially good-looking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We play, um, F, Marry, Kill all the time. No, I'm kidding. I am just a joke. Don't tell them.

Oh Lord, I, I gotta go, so I'll see you guys later.

Thank you. Bye. Oh, always like, let me get out of this jam. Um, so anyway, thank you so much, seriously. And to everybody on YouTube and Rumble and Spotify and X, thank you so much for chiming in and being here. Um, and if you want to join the Beloves on Locals, A, you have to be nice, and you just have to be like a person who wants to share in a community, and that's all you have to do. And it's 19 cents a day. Okay, so 19 cents a day. It's scottadams.locals.com. Um, and as always, our final Closing sip is always to our beloved Scott Adams, who oh I got a little I got a little choked up just there. Who we miss so much, we love so much. He's taught us so much, and this is why we all show up every day. Okay, so you guys, let's get out there and be useful. And as always, a closing sip to Scott, to Scott, to Scott. You're nice, Jim. Don't you be silly. All right, guys. Should we do a quick song? Why not? I mean, why not? We're here. Let's do it. I'm gonna do cha-ching for all the people that say cha-ching and I and I bypass you. Let's go.

It's not music.

It's music plus. How do you like?

It's a remix. It's not music, it's music plus.

How do you like being criticized? You hate it, don't you? Don't you hate getting criticized? Everybody hates it. It's not something you enjoy. Here's a reframe for you. Every criticism you receive, just play this sound effect when you get it.

Oh yeah! Ready? Oh yeah! Go, Eric, go! Cha-ching!

Cha-ching! Every time somebody criticizes you, you just made money. Do you know why I say that?

No.

Because you just made money. It's true. If somebody criticizes my live streams, and I'll tell you the biggest criticism I'm hearing is that my shelves are boring. Now, do I feel good that you're telling me that there's something About my thing that I do every day, is it good? No. Nobody likes to be criticized. It's not like you can enjoy it. But how do I receive it? Do I receive it as oh, I guess I suck? I could, right? How easily could I receive a criticism like that as God, I'm an idiot. Why didn't I see it? Obviously, my health. Something on them. That'd be real easy, wouldn't it? I don't. Here's how I hear it. Catching, catching, catching, catching. Show us your shell. Catching, catching, catching. I know exactly what to change to do a better job. Because you told me. That's like money. If somebody hands you a thing that will definitely make you money, what is your feeling about it? Do you feel, oh, I hate it when people give me a thing that makes me make money? I'll bet most of you think exactly that. You think, I hate criticism. Not me. Years ago, when people would criticize my comic, I would hate it, of course, but then I would say, oh, a lot of people are saying the same thing, so I'll change it. And then I would make that change, and that made me rich. I literally got rich by being criticized and understanding the criticism as—

Cha-ching!

Every time I hear one, I say, "Wait a minute." You just told me how to get richer. The same applies if you're not trying to get rich. Suppose you just wanted a better social life. The best advice that somebody gave me was the cruelest thing anybody ever said. One day my female friend told me how negative I was and what a bummer it was to listen to me because I was complaining about stuff all the time. Now, I was not aware that I was a big complainer. I had no idea. I thought I was a person who talked about my day, the funny parts of it. So in my mind, I had no idea that I was having an effect on other people. Once I learned that, do you know how powerful that was? I was able, because it was something I could change, I would become aware of the ratio of negative things I said to positive. Cha-ching! It was probably the most important change I've ever made to my social toolbox. I would say that that one change really, really changed my life. That's the that's the refrain. So the next time you get criticized, whether personally or whether professionally, say to yourself, say to yourself, say to yourself. Cha-ching. Cha-ching. Just try it. Like, actually say that, that little sound. Cha-ching. Not figuratively. I'm not talking figuratively. I mean, actually say that. Cha-ching.

You better be dancing at home.

What do you hear? What do you hear? Okay. What do you hear? What do you hear?

Echo, echo. Echo. Ooh, golden mic for the golden age. Cha-ching!

You guys, the golden microphone. Cha-ching! Okay, you never know what kind of props are going to come out over here. You guys, that was so fun. What a fun song. Um, say your goodbyes so we don't hang up on you, and it is I'm going to get my legs waxed, if you're wondering.

Deifying.

Right now, I'm going to get my legs waxed. Yes, I am. So that'll be what you can know I'm doing.

Okay.

Prediction, Elon will call Erica. Elon, call me. You got my number.

Elon, call me.

Call Marcela too, but call me first. Call me first. Call me maybe. All right, guys. Love you. Love you. We'll see you tomorrow with Jeff. Have a great and useful day, you guys.

Bye, Marcella.

I'm sending you a microphone. I need one of those. I'm gonna send you one. Bye, guys. I'll miss you, Metal Seer.

I need my red or my purple.

Yes, coming your way, sister. Okay, bye, guys.