The Scott Adams School - JOEL POLLACK Joins Erica & Marcela today. Maybe Joshua LIsec too.

We are— look at this, you guys. We are live. We're live in part in Scott's kitchen with Joel. Yeah, with jacked Joel. Joel, you're looking jacked for real.

I mean, what, what, what can he say?

You know, are you pumping iron?

Uh, occasionally, yes.

Excellent.

I did, I did pull-ups this morning.

That was the That's such a guy exercise. Girls, we don't like pull-ups. I mean, we'll do it if we have to, but just like to get out of danger. So welcome everybody. Come on in. I'll give you guys a second to get in. Rumble hasn't kicked on yet. I see YouTube is live. Locals, X, Spotify, I think you're over there. So listen, you guys, we have Joel for the first half hour today and we cannot wait to dive into some things with him. But I just want to give YouTube one more second also, because sometimes I go a little too fast for you guys. And I cannot wait for a sip of my coffee. I really try to wait, you guys. I try to wait, and it's late for me. It's 10 o'clock on the East Coast.

I don't, you guys. I'm sorry. I sip away before sipping with you, but—

Love it.

It's okay. It's okay. Owen is on assignment, I hear from—

Yeah, Owen's on assignment, but he's listening in. And, um, here we go. All right guys, ready? Let's do the thing.

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Good stuff. Good stuff. So, Joel, you lucky duck, you're having coffee in Scott's kitchen. Tell us what's going on over there.

Well, I am here with Scott's art director, May, and we are preparing the Art for Scott's biography. So we're surrounded by photographs, drawings, articles, all kinds of documents. And we spent all day yesterday going through everything. It was the 3rd time I'd gone through it, so we knew where everything was, and it was, uh, really just an incredible experience. And we're here now just making sure that we get good images of everything. And it's all going to go into the biography.

So do you have the picture of me that you wanted? What? Um, Aris, you guys are working on the biography, you guys, um, and your, your goal is what date? I know Joshua posted today from upstairs in the office. So what's the date of the biography? Are we still on track?

The release date is November 12th.

Okay, perfect. Just on time, just on time for your winter reading, the holidays, and all of that good stuff. So we want to know, so tell us, how does it feel being in Scott's house right now? I mean, I know it's a little bit different because it's for sale, so, you know, and Scott's not there, but how does it feel being there?

Well, by the way, if anybody would like to buy the house, it is incredible. I was hoping LeBron James would come to the Golden State Warriors. It's Perfect for a basketball player because it has an indoor basketball court, basically. So if any NBA or WNBA players or now biologically male WNBA players, yes, right here. And there are so many memories here. And even as we're here, you know, you can see the morning light starting to come in and. It feels like Scott's still here. It's very special in that sense. I mean, you can feel his warmth in every room, and it's quite sacred to those of us who loved him. I didn't even want to go into his office because it seemed like, you know, treading on holy ground in a way.

Right.

But it is a house. It will be sold. It's the house-birth, as someone called it on— on X because it has this turret that's in the shape of Dilbert's head, and it's a housebert. It's an incredibly special place. I hope they sell it. I hope they get a great price and that whoever is here really enjoys it. I think it is— it's a home with historic significance, so I think it's really— it's important, and it's great to be here. I think this will be the last time I'm here, So it's, it's bittersweet.

Yeah. Oh, all right. So Marcella, any questions for how the book is going along and what's happening?

When can we preorder? Can we preorder already?

Um, you have to ask Josh that. I don't know exactly when that's happening. Um, but we'll definitely have that up probably, I'm guessing by October, maybe September. Um, we're working on all the art and even as I'm speaking to you, I'm putting away—

You're doing it.

Drawing. Yeah, we've got everything marked out, and I'm doing this while we're on the show just because everything's going to take so much time. Um, so we're— I'm multitasking, which I'm not normally very good at, but I've managed to figure out how to do it here. Um, so for example, it's— I, I'll save it for the book, but right now what we're do— what I'm giving May to scan in, and we've gone over and selected all these things, there's an early version of Dogbert.

Oh, that's cool.

Before Dilbert existed.

Oh, like the first Bugs Bunny?

Yeah, there's an early version. Um, Scott used to do Christmas presentations for his company and he would draw caricatures, and there's an early version of a dog, um, who helps Santa, and it's basically Dogbert, but it's not— his name isn't Dogbert. What is that? His name is Dildog.

Oh.

D-I-L-D-O-G. It's like a kind of early Dilbert. D-I-L-D-O-G.

Eric.

You can see why he had to rename it.

Yeah, right away.

Oh, but it was close to the Dilbert part mixed with Dogbert. That's interesting.

Yeah, um, I mean, that one may have been a little bit later by the time— because he had already developed Dilbert then. I'm seeing Dilbert in little illustrations here, but he did a lot of early caricatures of things at work. And, um, yeah, it's, it's part of what we're gonna see.

Excellent. Okay. And so, all right, what else, what else do we need to know, Joel? I mean, I, you know, I'm afraid to say too much. I'm afraid to say too little. So I'm just like—

Tell us, Erica.

I, um, I know that you, you were thinking of making—

that you had like Tons of pages written, and you wanted to cut it down?

Yeah, I did a lot of cutting on Sunday. I cut about 6,000 words from the manuscript. Right now, it's about 120,000 words. There's Housebert. Yeah, you can see Housebert.

See the eyes in the middle, you guys? So that's an ode to the Dilbert character, as Scott put there intentionally. And that happens to be, if memory serves, the laundry room. And that's also where Boo's litter box was. Yep, that was like the key—

He could look out. He could look out.

I remember.

Yeah, he built, um, so Scott built like a, a plank, like planks going all the way up the walls like this so the cat could go up the wall and look out the windows. So that's what's in there. You gotta love someone that loves their pets as much as like we obsess over our pets. When you meet other people like that, you're like, yes, like just like how you had an ode to your, um, hamster. Was it your hamster or guinea pig?

Hamster.

Uh, it was my hamster. That was an important hamster.

Yeah.

Um, that hamster belonged to my kids when we were in our house in Pacific Palisades, and then there was the fire and we evacuated with the hamster, and the hamster went everywhere. We, we were in 5 or 6 different homes with that hamster, and the hamster passed away Um, a few months ago, but it was, in a way, it was our kids' comfort as they— it was the one thing that stayed the same as they moved from house to house after the fire. So it was important.

Yeah.

And, um, I so related to Scott because like, as his pets aged, I mean, I remember when Boo got sick and, um, you know, I remember like sending him some things that I used on my cat who was very sick, who survived, thank God. But, you know, he's like, all right, you know, what do I do with this? And he had the feeding tube and Boo. And then when Snickers got old also, he's like, I'm not going anywhere. And I was like, dude, I so relate. I've canceled trips to Aruba because I didn't want to leave my pets. So I— and now I, I really can't travel because I have a very old, sick kitty, as you guys know, Stella. So I think that's something that a lot of us related to with Scott. We were always asking about his pets and he would do videos of like, here's how I wash my dog. And, you know, this would be like in a man cave at night, and he'd get Snickers into the utility sink and he'd give her a bath. And he's like, here's how I dry her, and then I give her treats. And like, we were just totally, uh, glued to it, like watching it like we've never seen a dog get a bath before. But like, watching Scott do it for some reason was like, oh, he loves his dog, he loves his cat. So cute.

Um, I also had a major breakthrough yesterday. Um, this one I don't mind telling you about because it was sort of public. Um, I was posting on X for several weeks that I was looking for a woman named Joan Mahoney. And Joan Mahoney, as some people guessed, might have known Scott because the clues I was— the clues I had, and which I shared publicly, was that she had gone to Hartwick College and she lived in San Francisco. And Scott actually wrote about her in several books, that she was the girlfriend that he went to San Francisco, not to be with, but I guess she, she's the reason he ended up in San Francisco. She invited him to come to San Francisco. When he moved to California, he stayed with his brother Dave in Southern California. Dave is still in Southern California. And then she went up to San Francisco— sorry, Scott went to San Francisco because the girlfriend was there. He never said what her name was. And he wrote about her in different ways. There's one book where he writes that she was supposed to pick him up at the airport and she decided she didn't want to. And anyway, they obviously didn't end up together in the long run. But I thought, this is really someone very important to interview because she knew Scott during this incredible transition when he left upstate New York and came to California and started working at Crocker Bank and started this new life that led him to become what he eventually became. And I could not find her. I couldn't find her. Her name is Joan Mahoney, and there was nothing about her anywhere. I even went to Hartwick College, not just to look for her, but to look for more information about Scott and to check out the college. And I asked the administration at Hartwick if they had any information about her, and all they could tell me was that she hadn't graduated. So they didn't have any address on file, no way of contacting her. The internet did not yield anything. Um, try looking up Joan Mahoney in a nation of 350 million people with, you know, a large Irish-American population. I mean, You just, you can't, you know, thousands, thousands of Joan Mahoneys in America.

Of course.

Um, and what was incredible was I had a couple of other clues in the form of letters that she sent to Scott that he kept. He kept these letters his entire life, and I had addresses on them, so they helped a little bit, but I looked up Any information about her from the addresses couldn't find anything. Finally, there was one address that was sent from her parents' house, one letter from her parents' house, and so I looked that up and I discovered her yearbook on ancestry.com. I actually got a membership in ancestry.com to find Joanie Mahoney. Joan Mahoney was also known as Joanie Mahoney. I interviewed some of Scott's other classmates or friends from school, and they knew who she was, but they couldn't. They hadn't stayed in touch with her. Just excuse me one second before I finish this story.

Go ahead. Joel is like a dog with a bone. He's determined.

Okay.

Which we love. Um, and yeah, and also remember, you know, people get married, then their name's not their name anymore. It's very hard to track down a woman, which is like a thank God.

And hard for them to vote too.

Yeah. And to get ID. Terrible. Terrible. Yeah.

Um, anyway, so I found her yearbook on ancestry.com, her high school yearbook. It might not even have been the final high school yearbook, but anyway, it had a picture of her and it matched the one photograph I had of her from the Hartwick yearbook when she was, I guess, a freshman or a sophomore. And then it also seemed to be the same woman who was in a couple of photographs that Scott had kept. So I thought, okay, this is probably the same person. And the key there was her middle name. So I had her middle name now. Now I could narrow down those thousands of Joan Mahoneys to very few Joan Mahoneys. And I called people, and I called a woman in Scranton, Pennsylvania. Was not her. She had never been to college. I started to wonder if she was alive because—

Ooh.

There was no information. Someone told me that they think that, you know, I should check the obituaries, not just the other records. Anyway, um, I called the number all day yesterday that I found. I called a bunch of different numbers, left some messages, got no response. And finally I decided to try one more time in the evening. And I called this woman up and I said, hi, I'm writing biography of Scott Adams. I'm a friend of his. And I'm just wondering if you might be the Joanie Mahoney or the Joan Mahoney that he knew in college. And she said, yes, it was me.

Oh.

And we had this conversation. Everyone here sitting at the table heard me interview her. And if you knew how hard I'd been looking for Joan Mahoney. I asked so many people. I searched every database I could. I was kicking myself for not asking Scott while he was still alive if he had contact with her. And nobody seemed to know anything about her. She seemed to fly below the radar. the internet radar, just kind of lived off the grid and below the radar. And eventually I found her. So it's absolutely, it was absolutely incredible. So I have to rewrite a section of the book in which I explained why I hadn't found her. Now I'm gonna talk about finding her and also what she told me.

So that was— I can't wait.

And Someone took a picture of me while I was talking to her for the first time, and my mouth was hanging open like I'm actually talking to Joni.

Yeah.

Oh, oh, oh yeah, we're gonna send it to you so you can see the picture.

Um, yeah, so, you know, I'm assuming she knew he had died.

Yes, and she told me she had tried to get in touch with him before he died, but the email— she had, she had the wrong email address for him, or it bounced or whatever, so she was not able to talk to him. But there's a really amusing end to the story that I'll save for the book.

Yes, yes.

But let me put it this way.

You can tell us now.

I'll give you a clue. Scott— she told me, I didn't know this before, she told me that Scott had drawn her into a couple of comic strips. So May, Scott's art director, was able to pull up the comic strips because she has this incredible database of Dilbert strips. And lo and behold, there she was. But the exact strips, you'll have to read the book to figure out how Scott characterized Joan Mahoney.

Aw.

But I think he always had a deep affection for her. And I think what was so important about this relationship, other than the moment it happened, this transitional time, was that she loved Scott. I mean, the letters she sent him are— are really heartfelt letters. And I think, I think that because this person loved Scott so much, it was very important for me to find her.

So I did. Yeah.

Incredible. I couldn't believe it. It was— I said, I said to the team here, I said, this kind of thing happens once every 5 years to me. Like, I'll find something like this, it takes this long, and I'll find— I mean, I found my great-grandfather's grave in the middle of a field in Lithuania. It's kind of on that level. Like, it took that much extra effort to—

Well, you have to consider too, so, you know, women get married, their name changes. That is extremely difficult. And then who the heck has a house phone to call? Like, you couldn't call me on my phone number. That's crazy. Um, all right, so here's, here's Joel interviewing Joanie Mahoney. Let me make that bigger for you.

Yeah, with my—

He's like, no way, Joanie Mahoney! You can see Scott's staircase behind him. So that, that's the moment of victory. That's the needle in the haystack right there. I love that, Joel. I'm so glad you found her. She is an important part. And by the way, I don't know, I don't know if you can answer this, but why didn't she pick him up at the airport?

She told me she didn't remember that. She didn't say it didn't happen. She just said—

Oh, weird.

She said she had no recollection of that. And then I told her that Scott wrote about it. He wrote about it in, I think it's The Way of the Weasel. It's one of the early humor books. And he writes about how he had to take the BART subway, which he had never taken before. And he emerged in San Francisco surrounded by homeless people. Nothing much has changed in San Francisco in 40 years. He emerged surrounded by homeless people. And then, you know, he wrote about how irritating that was. And then Joan said to me, oh, well, I can imagine he must have been pretty angry. So she didn't admit that she didn't pick him up, but she kind of said, well, it might have happened that I didn't pick him up.

Oh my God. And he still liked her. Good for him. He's just such a forgiving man. We love that. Well, hold off until you see how he drew her in the comic. Oh, okay. I love that. So, Joel, anything else you want to tell us about? Because I know you're swamped. I don't want to keep you because the book is so important, um, and I know your time is—

We're literally moving things to the side.

Yeah.

Okay, so this one is done. Okay, um, so, um, we are— there are some early drawings that Scott published in his 20th anniversary edition of Dilbert, which is a really great coffee table book. If you don't have one, you could probably get it still. If not on eBay, then, you know, if not on Amazon, then on eBay. But he also has so many incredible early drawings. So you'll see some early drawings you haven't ever seen before. You'll see some photographs you've never seen before. Just incredible stuff. I mean, it's really been incredible to— and the other thing is, when someone writes as much about his life as Scott did in so many books, I've had this experience in the previous biography I wrote. I wrote about my mother-in-law. My mother-in-law told me a crazy story about how somebody I'm summarizing and simplifying, but basically about how somebody tried to kill her. And I didn't— I mean, I believed her, but it sounded almost impossible, right? It sounded impossible. How could this possibly have happened? It was maybe embellished a little bit, I thought. And then I went into her letters, which she gave me to write her biography, and I found a letter from the 1980s, right after this incident had happened, where she wrote to her parents. There was no email, obviously, in those days. She wrote a letter. And her account of what happened was exactly what she had told me 30 years later. And so it was like it was a contemporaneous recollection of an event that had happened the day before or whatever. So I was just blown away, like, oh, this happened. And then I actually asked other people. I did a little bit of sleuth detective work or whatever. Yes, it happened exactly as she told me. I've had that experience over and over with Scott's documents. He told a story in public, and then it's confirmed in private. For example, he told a story in How to Fail about how he nearly failed out of Hartwick College, and that he was drinking too much, he wasn't going to class, and then he got mono, and he was bedridden. I have confirmed that. Not, not only the, the mono part, because Scott's roommate told me that, yeah, he, he got mono from one of the many girls he was hanging around with. Um, but the, the other thing that, um, I found was his report cards. And sure enough, there are a couple of semesters that are really bad.

Like they dip and then you see—

Oh yeah. Um, it'll be really funny for you to find out which classes he wasn't doing well in. Um, I won't spoil that surprise, but that was also one of those things that like, you'll have to read the book to find that out. It's also very funny.

Oh, we're all reading this book. Believe me, we can't wait. We cannot wait.

But the stories he tells in public or that he told in public, um, they're all, they all hold up with the documents. I mean, there's no, there's no story that doesn't hold up.

So, ah, I love that.

Yeah.

He was very open with us, but I think, I think the other surprising thing that I learned about Scott from being at his memorial is that he really did maintain a lot of privacy for as much as he told us. And I was, like, really happy about that, that he had a whole other private life and we didn't have to know every single thing about it. And then when we learned what we learned about it, I was just, you know, even more blown away. Not shocked, but just more blown away at who this man was. And, um, He's, he's just the best.

He's—

you'll just love him more and more and more the more you learn about him. That's my opinion.

Um, we, you know, I— this, this book isn't a tell-all. I mean, this is not like a deep dive into Scott's private life, um, but it does tell part of the story of how he became who he became, and that does, I think, require some inclusion of some things people didn't know about, or he didn't— maybe didn't talk about much before. Um, you know, it's— sometimes I would ask Scott about some details of past relationships and things like that, and it wasn't that he didn't want to talk about them, it's just that he— they weren't important enough to him in the present moment. He was focused on who he was with at the moment. So, um, you know, it was, it was It was a challenge in that sense. So, you know, as a writer, you have to be very careful with that. But I think what people will enjoy is learning about how passionate he was about life and how that passion was reciprocated in the people who loved him. And I think that's an important part of the story.

I agree. All right. So, Joel, should we let you go get to work?

Yeah, I think so. I think so.

I think so. Yeah. No, I know you're busy and time is ticking and we We all love when you can come on. We appreciate you coming on, especially with being so busy right now. And, um, you know, it's our final look over here at Scott's kitchen, which we, you know, have seen a million times. Remember Scott used to do his cooking shows and he would, you know, pick a recipe and start cooking. It was amazing. He was just a crack up all the time. Um, so thank you so much for joining us this morning, and I know we'll see you again real soon. And, um, Everybody's looking forward to the book. So Joel, carry on, carry on, Joel. Do the important work. We'll be here talking about Fauci and Iran. God help us. But anyway, all right, Joel. Bye everybody. Bye, May. See you guys later. All right, so we're here to continue and we're letting Joel go. There he goes. Okay, let me just remove him. Oh, whoa, our further Marcella.

Wow.

So you guys, it's like so exciting.

Oh my God, I almost started crying, so I'm not gonna— I don't wanna think of it, you know?

I know, I was like, uh-oh, holding, holding it in. Wait, there's my— there, we're centered. Okay, so that's fun. I'm, I'm glad they're over there. They are working really hard. Joel never stops. And that man, that man, you know what, he's like the male version of Harmeat Dylan. He's just getting it all done all the time, right? She's like doing it all. So, all right, you guys, so Owen will be back tomorrow. He might even be lurking a little bit now when he can in between torture sessions. I mean, in between meetings. Um, but let's carry on because there is some news today. So first, I just want to say Todd Blanche, he is now the official U.S. Attorney General. He was sworn in yesterday. So congratulations to him. Like, let's hope he kicks some ass, um, and gets things moving. Um, and the other thing I wanted to mention, which is going to go into a few clips I had pulled— so, oh my lordy. So the Massachusetts governor, she is a real gem. Maura Healey. There she was at her desk signing into law with a bunch of liberal white women surrounding her in their floral dresses and miles, a law that allows abortion up to birth. So am I getting this wrong, Marcella? Is this really— and there they are like, oh, very good, very good. So is that real?

It's unbelievable.

But it's real.

Yeah, it's real.

Like, you don't— it's not like there's a reason for it.

It'll be legal, you know, people will sue for this and things like that. Hopefully there's a stay by some judge there. But, you know, the fact that they, that they're cheering this on and they're all smiles, like, seriously, it's just very sad. Very sad.

It is very sad, especially, I mean, how many people do we know that are trying to have babies, that are trying to adopt, that are, you know, I like— I, again, women's rights. I don't know. You know what? Oh, what?

You know what gets me really angry, you guys, is that they're the same ones that tell us when COVID happened, you have to stay 6 feet away, you have to get, um, the vaccine. But then when someone's pregnant, you can't tell them what to do, except you have to tell them to take these vaccines. Yeah, which we're gonna go into, but, um, But that's like, it doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, my body, my choice. And then they're like, take the vaccine, you're killing people. And you're like, whoa, wait, like, I'm not actually killing someone— abortion people— but I, uh, can decide. So Simple Is Good said, now there are 10 states that allow abortion until birth: Alaska, Colorado, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington, D.C. And reading that list Makes me sick. Like that, like you know, what are we doing, people? So there's that. And you know, Scott always said like leave it up to women. Well, Marcella and I are women, and you know, it it repulses me on a level I can't even explain to you that why are why are you getting like if you're getting an abortion? Like I'm not saying I don't have an opinion about. I I have personal opinions about it doesn't matter, but. What are we doing up until birth? Like, what the hell are we doing, people? Um, so that happened. Uh, that was the good news. All right, so then we move on. I mean, speaking, speaking of abortion, um, now let me just delete this so I don't—

I mean, believe them when they tell you who they are, right? Yeah, believe them when they say they want to destroy white people. Believe them when they say they want to kill babies. I mean, and they want to take the means of production, all sorts of things. It's like, we're stunned because it's like, how, how evil can they get?

I know. And like, we're stunned that they even say it out loud, and now they're like smiling and cheering it on. It's like, oh my lordy. Um, so this is kind of juicy, and I think a lot of us probably, um, on this Scott Adams School already knew about this. I know I did. So Fauci, we have his government phone, and they're talking about the text messages they're finding on here. And let's just take a listen to this because I personally know people this affected. I don't think the people that it affected believe that this is why it happened, but I'm pretty freaking positive. Let's listen.

Breaking right now, Republican Senators Ron Johnson and Rand Paul releasing the first batch of text messages from Dr. Anthony Fauci's government iPhone. In one exchange from January of 2021, Fauci, then CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, and then Surgeon General Vivek Murthy discussed COVID vaccination and pregnant women. Fauci flags a potential concern after the second dose, writing that many people experience, quote, significant cytokine storm and fever, and that this quote, theoretically could be associated with miscarriage in the first trimester. Walensky responds, quote, definitely a good point, especially after dose 2. A cytokine storm is essentially when the body releases too many inflammatory signals that could cause high fever, inflammation, and in extreme cases, life-threatening illness. So this is just coming to light now, Sandra, that Fauci had these concerns. And I remember when I got the boosters, I developed pericarditis, then that went away. Then when I had the second booster, it came roaring back again. So, you know, the body reacts differently to these things depending on who you are.

Oh God, that makes me so infuriated. So I remember one experience I was excited about. I was leasing a car at the time and the vaccine was, was out under Trump. The woman in the lease office, she was young. She was probably like 30, and I don't know. The pandemic came up, and she said how she's not getting vaccinated, and neither are like the person who is my saleswoman who was young, and these other people. And they're like, "No, they're you know we're all really afraid that we'll get affected if we try to get pregnant." Like they were all like gonna start having babies, and they just said like instinctively they were like, "No, like you know we don't know what it is. We're not gonna do it." And I'm like, "Oh my God! Thank God!" But I do know. Quite a few people who miscarried, um, more than some once, some more than once, and then maybe had their baby that now has an issue with, you know, autism or things like that. I, I don't know if that's related technically, but these were, you know, fully boosted people. So it makes me so enraged, Marcella, that this was the conversation they were having. And you can still get a booster today for COVID right now. Imagine how evil you have to be.

Yeah, but, you know, we all have choices, so allow the choice for people to make that if they want to get this or they don't want to get it. But it seems to me, um, that during COVID these pregnant women did not have a choice, you know. Um, I believe Mace, who is on, um, X, told the story about his wife being pregnant and his friend being pregnant as well, a friend of his wife or his friend, I think. And his wife had to like stop working because she did not want to get the vaccine. His, his wife was a nurse at a hospital, so she was com— she was forced either to get a vaccine or to leave her job. And that's just unacceptable, especially if she's young and she's not going to, you know, she's wearing all the outfit, everything everything else. But he tells a story that's very sad, and we don't know if it had to do with the, with the shot. I, I, you know, it needs to be researched, uh, further, um, but the question needs to be out there. Um, and the other friend lost their baby because she, you know, the other— the, the odd thing is that she got a shot.

Right.

And not like his wife You know, and every time this friend sees their child, she cries or remembers the baby that she lost.

The little girl. That's really sad.

But one thing that people mention on here is Cernovich. Mike Cernovich made a post. Well, he made several posts yesterday, obviously. But one of them said, now we know why Dr. Fauci. Death took the— for the Fifth Amendment, state law manslaughter charges are possible given his directly stated knowledge of risk to unborn babies. Murder, um, that is possible.

Yeah, well, that's what I'm— that's why I'm saying, like, it's, you know, they knew this. Like, they were— he was already talking about it with Walensky, and it's like, uh, okay, so you knew this. You didn't come out and say, "Wait, stop, stop, stop! We have new evidence." Like okay, remember you guys changing your mind or changing your opinion about something when the facts change is a superpower, one which Fauci does not have. So he had new information about miscarriage and all these other things, and he just kept going. And so did Rochelle Walensky, and so did every other person and Burks. They all they all had this information. And was it their ego? Was it money? What was it? Because they did not stop the public or say, wait, just stop everybody. And, you know, worst comes to worst, just suggest that those people stay home so they don't get exposed, which is what you were making people do anyway. And I have a friend who was a, like, a breast cancer survivor. Like, it was like a miracle. And then she changed her career and actually got a job working at, uh, one of the Sloan-Ketterings. And They wanted her to take the vaccine, and she's like, "I'm not taking the vac." Like you know, you sometimes you just have this like instinct, like this feeling, this innate feeling of like, "No, I don't think I can take that." They pushed and pushed and pushed. They she had until like I'm making this up the fifteenth of the month to take it, and if you didn't take it by the fifteenth, you were going to get fired the next day. She took it on the fifteenth, and on the sixteenth, they released the mandate. And had she waited one more day, she wouldn't have had to have the vaccine. And I was just like, this is just so unfair, you guys.

Um, somebody wants me to go over manslaughter elements, and I'm going to go over the manslaughter elements real quick. And that's in Florida, um, because I think Florida is one of the states that's trying to look into Fauci. And remember, it's beyond a reasonable doubt, so there has to be sufficient evidence for a jury to figure that out. Um, the victim— what the first factor The number one factor is obviously the victim has to be dead. The number 2, one or more of the following, depending on the allegations and evidence, has to— you have to have one of the following, at least one. A defendant intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of the victim. B, the defendant intentionally procured an act that caused the death of the victim. Procure means to persuade, induce, prevail upon, or cause a person to do something. And C, the death of the victim was caused by Culpable negligence of the defendant. So that culpable negligence is where I can see a finding if there is, you know, if they can get enough cases in regards to, um, something like this, you know. But it takes— it's gonna take a lot. It's gonna take a lot of evidence. It's gonna, you know—

but you know what, Marcella, I wonder if The businesses that were forcing and trying to, to coerce their employees to take this shot can be in trouble too, because it was like threatening their job. Like, to my friend, if you don't do this, you're getting fired on the 16th.

The, the only thing with that is, uh, civilly they might be liable, but they had no knowledge that, that the Fauci texts have. So Fauci here um, the texts that we— that are become more prevalent because he has like 34,000 texts or something, or even more. I was like, how much does he text? Um, anyways, um, so I digress. But the issue is knowing that this would have led to miscarriage and not saying that to the public, not informing the public of this.

Right.

Because if he would have informed the public of this different, not just him, whoever he's talking to. This is insane. How would you not say anything?

Go after Walensky then and whoever else he told, right? It's like, oh, so you had this knowledge and you didn't say anything about it. And yeah, okay, so interesting. Let's keep our eye on that. But one other thing about that is, let me just see which one this is. Okay, let's take a listen here to President Trump. He was busy yesterday in the Oval, but let's take a listen.

Senators Rand Paul and Ron Johnson released some text messages from Anthony Fauci, and it appears that as early as January 2021, they knew that there could possibly be complications with pregnant women and miscarriages tied to the COVID vaccine. Yet the Biden administration health officials, they didn't change their rhetoric. Your reaction?

Well, the Biden administration was a disaster in every way. That would be just one way. But they have been a disaster in every single way. It's unimaginable what they did in that. Forget about weaponization. Forget even about, you know, as important as what you're saying. So many of the open borders, the men and women's sports, they've just been— it's just been a horrendous disaster. The highest inflation in history. And we're doing a great job.

All right, so a little bit of a dodge, but the question's put out there. So, you know, stay tuned. He's aware. But the other huge news coming out of the Oval yesterday, which— oh my God, I mean, I mean, thank God for this. Let's take a listen. This is definitely a victory.

So at year 1, you should have 5 separate visits for vaccines rather than giving them all in the same day. Very importantly, vaccinations for hepatitis B, COVID-19, and influenza, among others, are no longer recommended for all children. In addition, this executive order directs the attorney general to advance legal challenges against states that violate children's rights to religious or medical vaccination exemptions for the exemptions.

Okay. So what he's talking about there is they have changed the vaccine schedule for children from 72 vaccines, which is just disgusting, to 11 vaccines. So we're going from 72 to 11, not to be given all at once, like to be spread out. And that is just a huge victory. I think when I was a kid, it was like 8 vax— 5 vaccines maybe. And how the hell did we get to 72 vaccines? And I mean, Giving a brand new baby at birth a hepatitis vaccine? Like, like unless the mom has hepatitis, like what are we doing? And did you know that right when you give birth to your baby, immediately, you know how they put that like looks like Vaseline on their eyes like a boxer in a fight? It's erythromycin. They immediately swipe erythromycin, which is an antibiotic, over your baby's eyelids. Like they just literally come out and they're like boop. What are we doing? So that's a huge step forward, and I'm really happy about that. So Marcella, did you see any more on this?

I don't know if you want the bad news, but as always, there will be— there's already litigation regarding this since before the executive order. In March 2026, a federal district court in Massachusetts issued a preliminary injunction regarding changing, um, this January 2026 schedule. So the things that you hear, um, Trump saying in that, that clip, it's not going to go onto the schedule yet.

The—

also, it, um, from my research, it indicates as a, uh, as executive, he's able to tell the executive branch which part of that is the CDC, what to study, what to do. But in regards to the Federal Childhood Immunization Recommendations— say that fast— it is an advisory committee on immunization practices called ACIP, short for ACIP process, which is adopted by the CDC director. And that is the advisory board is You know, obviously medical doctors and different people to know about all this. So that in itself is a process that the EO can take advice from the president, but it would have to—I don't know if RFK Jr. has spoken about it or if the CDC director has spoken about it, but. you know, we'll see what, uh, what the ACIP says, um, and whether they're going to, um, look into it. But the— there's a definite need to, um, research this because it does affect children. Yeah. You know, it affects, uh, you know, if there's even, um, is there even 1% chance that you're gonna kill a child versus receive a disease that is no longer You know, how many children get hepatitis in America, you know? Um, so that kind of thing is like the, the risk, um, factors, um, need to be looked at as well. So yeah, there has to be further research, and the research has to be done, as we know, um, is who is funding the research as well. So it has to be independent research without The farm, Big Pharma, you know, basically paying for the research.

Yeah, well, you know, it's really sad to me when I think about what's going on in this country. Like, we as a— I mean, I'm not saying we, me and you, or the people watching this, but we as a country really looks like we don't value children and, uh, and life. And, you know, like, you have the, you know, all those states just listed that are like, yeah, go ahead, abort your baby up till birth. Not a problem. And then it's like, and then when they come out, we're going to give them 72 vaccines and inoculations and this and that. And, you know, it's like, where, where's the value on life, on parents, on family? Um, you know, I like— again, I don't have kids, and it sounds weird coming from me, but I, I think it's really sad that I just observe, you know, this just like assault on children and family. And it's really freaky that the bulk of it comes from women. And so I'm a little bit confused about what we're doing and how do we change this. I've never agreed with the feminist movement. I am anti-feminism. I just think it got way out of hand. And now the values that mothers or like the instincts that mothers just have innately because they're women. It's like they're, they're forcing it down and putting it aside to say that they're a feminist or to be like their friends or to prove some agenda or political point. And it's like, you know, we're really losing our way of, of what's important in our lives. You know, this is my opinion and how I feel, but I, I hope we, I hope we have a course correction. I feel like, you know, we'll get there. I feel like it's starting to turn and people are Definitely sickened by it, and I think that maybe we have some more honey badgers now speaking up about all things that just don't align with morals and values and decency and America. And being mothers, I mean, look at like the mothers in other countries where they rip away your your young daughter to go marry like a sixty-year-old man, and like the mothers and the fathers at that point are weeping and sobbing and crying. And it's like, yeah, because your instinct is to protect your child even though you're. Your culture doesn't. But, you know, it's, it's a fight worth having. So I just, I hate to see us slip further away. That's, that's just my, um, my opinion on that. But I'm going to pivot, Marcel, if that's okay. Um, I just want to do— so I promised Bookish the other day for a clip of Charlie, and so, uh, we're gonna do an Iran update. But I wanted to show you, Bookish, what Charlie's opinion on having a war with Iran was, since I promised you a clip. So let's listen to Charlie first, and then we'll get an update, and then we'll get an update from Trey Youngst after. Here we go.

Let's be very honest with you, something that I'm against. I'm— I don't think we should bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. I just don't. I think it'd be a huge mistake. It's an act of war against a major country. You go to war with Persia, it will bring your country down. The American people did not Rise up in major numbers because we want war with Iran. That was never part of the deal. Okay. It was never like, hey, America first, comma, we're going to go do a bunch of, you know, targeted strikes on the main— the inland of Iran. So that's just where I would say that that would be a catastrophic mistake. Why we believe this. We have so many pressing problems at home and our leaders are internationally obsessed and they are domestically ignorant.

Mm-hmm. I like that. Internationally obsessed and domestically ignorant. That's what it feels like to me. Um, so anything on the Charlie clip, Marcella?

I mean, that might have been— I know, I know a lot of you believe differently, but that might have been the reason why he's not here with us anymore. But yeah.

Oh, I could play 10 more clips of why he might not be also.

But you know what it is about him is He was able to be an honest voice, like you could. He had integrity. He he said what was best for America, regardless of you know this is going to cost me a friendship with President Trump or with whoever. He was just a great man.

So oh yeah, I mean he that you know what an example of somebody who. sticks to their moral compass, their values, what they believe, or he's just like, listen, I mean, he was, he was very close to President Trump. He could easily be persuaded to just go along with— he's the President of the United States. And I think someone that he looked up to as like, sort of like not a father figure, more like how we'd say like an internet dad. So he had this other male figure in his life that he worked so hard to get President Trump in office and J.D. Vance as a vice president. And he Fought hard, hard. Like, he would show up at the Oval Office and spend hours trying to convince President Trump, please don't go into Iran. This is a mistake. It's a mistake. It's a mistake. It's a mistake. Um, and he couldn't convince him. And, um, I guess somebody else was more persuasive. So, um, yeah, it's pretty scary. But let's give you the update from Trey Yingst on what the latest is over there.

With diplomatic efforts ongoing to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, Iranian officials are now making new demands. Iran's Supreme National Security Council issued a fresh statement this weekend calling on the United States to permanently end the war in the region, not just with Iran but also with its proxies, and to compensate Iran for damages before the strait would reopen. Iran's foreign minister says even if a deal is reached, it doesn't necessarily necessarily mean the strait will stay open.

The talks with Oman are about a temporary route. We are almost very close to the result. Determining the route by Iran and Oman does not necessarily mean the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz. That is dependent on other factors. The violations of the Memorandum of Understanding by America should be compensated.

With details still being worked out, the U.S. naval blockade remains in effect. U.S. Central Command says as of August 9th, CENTCOM has redirected 55 commercial vessels disabled to and boarded to to ensure compliance. And President Trump told Axios on Sunday, we are low-keying it. We are only semi-negotiating with them. The president went on to say, we are just watching Iran with its huge inflation and the fact they have no money. And the Wall Street Journal reports for weeks President Trump has been laying the groundwork to declare victory in the Iran war should Tehran fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz, even floating the idea privately to senior aides that he's willing to walk away without a nuclear deal, U.S. officials said again to The Wall Street Journal. Now, Vice President J.D. Vance spoke with Fox News over the weekend, indicating that U.S. pressure on Iran will continue until an agreement is reached that is best for the United States.

I try to remind people that we're really in the middle of the game here. This thing is not over. It's obviously not at the beginning. We're, we're in the middle of the game, and we're applying a whole host of tools— diplomatic, economic, military tools to ensure that we get the best outcome for the American people. I feel quite confident we will get there, but we're still a bit in the middle of the game.

Today, a senior Israeli official told Fox News there is new evidence, credible evidence inside of Iran showing this mounting economic pressure and regime officials in Tehran having to choose where their money is distributed. So there is economic pressure.

So the Uh, the military in Iran's not being paid. Um, but what does JD mean by like what's best for the American people? Like what, what is best for the American people with this conflict? Like what, you know, I'm not even like saying, Marcello, give me an answer because I don't know what the answer would be. Like how, how does this affect me? I'm not sure. I don't know where we're at. Like I already thought we degraded their nuke, uh, ambitions. The first time. So I'm a little confused. I feel like President Trump's looking for a way to get out of this without like egg on his face, and Iran's just like, yeah, we don't really care what you're saying or doing, and now we want you to pay for all the damage you caused us. And then yesterday, President Trump in the Oval Office responded to that like, well, I want you to repay us for all the damage for the last 50 years. I'm like, oh my God, like, can we end this? Marcela, what do you think?

Um, I mean, I don't think that it's going to be easy to end this, uh, because now we have the Strait of Hormuz being held hostage. I know President Trump yesterday said that America's in control of it. I love his positive thinking.

Me too.

Maybe he's trying to author his own, you know, author the simulation, which is great, you know. But there is definite issues with the Strait of Hormuz, and that is viable. Like, we use it. I mean, many countries use that. And now Iran has kind of, you know, made it a— has seen it as a weakness of the United States and a weakness of the other countries in the Gulf. So they are clinging on to it like Taking a hostage. That's been— so it is a bigger issue. I don't think we can just pull out and leave because it leaves this huge issue for the rest of this area, not just, um, not just for us. But, um, in real— in reality, waiting for Iran to, um, basically collapse under economic pressures Look at Cuba. Have they even collapsed yet? Even after Fidel died, his brother took over, and I was like, oh my God. So I, I don't— I mean, it's gonna get to a very, um, like, you know, they can live through all of this because why? They don't care about their own country. They don't care about their own people. So which is— you look at Cuba, it's still under Raul Castro. Like, it's still, you know, and we've done every economic thing. They drive like really— I, I was reading yesterday that they're actually coming up with new, uh, fuel, like, uh, using solar to, uh, power their cars. Like, they're figuring something out. So I don't really think that the economic pressure will be sufficient on Iran. Because they have the people to sacrifice there.

Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. And so what we, you know, what, what's best for the American people, I'm not sure, but I know that what's not best for us is losing the midterm elections and just ushering in communism and Marxism into our country, which, you know, seems like the alternative. But I do want to play, I know we're almost out of time, one quick clip I was going to play yesterday. A lot more Democrats, like, uh, not even classic Democrats, I mean, like, even like Clinton Democrats, you know, whatever. They're like, nope, nope, nope, I'm not doing this. I can't stay a Democrat anymore. And here's one other. Take a listen.

I have been criticizing the Democratic Party for a long time as being far to the left of the median voter. Um, so just as a matter of practical politics and pragmatism, I think the party has gone way too far left. But I think the the party has also lost its moral center. I'm Julian Epstein. I'm a longtime Democrat. I was formerly the chief counsel of the House Judiciary Committee and the staff director of the House Oversight Committee for the Democrats. I'm the former CEO of the consulting firm LMG, which represented, amongst other people, Hillary Clinton for president. If this is where the party's going, this is not a party I want to have any— anything to do My piece in the New York Post today basically says that I'm jumping ship, uh, that I am going over to the Republican side in the Michigan Senate race and I'm supporting Mike Rogers. Um, and this is because I think the Democrats have gone off the deep end. I think the lunatics are in charge of the asylum. Um, I think that, um, uh, there is no room in the tent for people that want to destroy our Constitution. There's no room in the tent for people that want to align themselves with radical Islam. There's no room in the tent for people that want to align themselves with antisemitism. And there's no room in the tent, I think, in my view, for people that don't have any interest in building for the next generation, but only want to redistribute what others have created and want to basically tear down the free market that has been the most effective anti-poverty liberation machine that human beings have ever invented. If you want to start taking these lunatic positions, then I'm, I'm just not going to be part of it. And I suspect more— this isn't about me. I suspect you're going to see a large group of Democrats starting to defect. And I think this is what you're watching in real time here. is a party that is jumping off a cliff, and I just don't intend, intend to jump off the cliff with them. If you listen to Mike Rogers, he's sort of a very practical, middle-of-the-road, normie guy who would have been very consistent with where the Democrats were, say, during the Clinton administration.

All right. So I, I am seeing a lot of videos like this, and you know, whether you like him or not— I know we're at time, but, um, I just want to see more of this. I think that the left is just so, so out of touch. Um, they're loud, they're squeaky. They could win, um, because there's a lot of uninformed voters out there. But hopefully, hopefully people like this Epstein will get out there and, and inform the people In, uh, Michigan. So, Marcela, have you been seeing clips like this?

Yeah, but I, I question, um, I question the Democrats saying that, oh, this is not our party. No, this was always your party. You just never said it. You— it's the unsaid things they never made. If you look at, um, the, their, their support of justices and judges that want to change the Constitution, they always looked at it as a living document, which even in law school we studied how they don't call it getting rid of the Constitution, they call it rewriting it for the present time. So maybe the rhetoric of the DSA is radical in the fact that they're honest with their motives, but the motives have always been the same. The motives have always been control the means of production, tell everybody as a nanny state what to do with your children, what to do with your country, what we— you don't know better, you're just, you know, the unwashed, the deplorables. So I think, uh, I, in a way, uh, El-Sayed and other DSA members, they're more honest than these politicians that are part of the Democratic Party. Oh, they're totally honest. You know, because at least they say who they are, you know.

They are definitely honest. And, you know, watching people— like I said before, Chuck Schumer twists himself into a pretzel to be like, yeah, I agree. It's like, dude, you are such a mess. They are a mess. So the Democrats have thankfully fully exposed themselves to the rest of the world. So, uh, let's just hope that, uh, good outweighs evil. And I feel like it does, but I feel like it's gonna be tough. It's going to be tough because they have a lot of money and momentum and energy and youth and youth behind them. So we have to be careful. But I wanted to end as like a semi-positive note with him just showing that Democrats are jumping ship. They, they, they just can't take it anymore. It's too much to sign off on. Stella is freaking out. So, um, you guys, listen, thank you. Please give us a like. Please give us a like, a thumbs up, a heart. Share us with your friends. Thank you so much for being here, Marcel. It's always fun when we get to have a little girls' day. Again, Owen will be back tomorrow. We missed you, Owen. All right, so you guys, as always, a closing sip and a thank you to Scott and Shelley for allowing the show to continue. Thank you to every single person who shows up here. We so appreciate you. The replay people, we love you guys on the replay. Thank you so, so much. And listen. Uh, let's go out there, have an amazing day, and be useful as Scott was and as he wants us to be. And a closing sip to Scott, to Scott, to Scott, and to Stella who's about to eat again. All right guys, um, I can't do Akira because we're trying something, so if anyone wants to stick around on Locals and Rumble, I'll stick around for a few