SAT vs ACT Say Yes to the Right Test

My name is Shellee Howard, and I'm the founder and CEO of College Ready. I've been helping students get into college and graduate debt-free for the last 17 years. I'm actually on year 18. I know, can you believe it? Helping kids apply to college for 18 years. So brief background about myself, and then I'm going to share a little bit about what we're going to do this evening. Little bonus addition. So, uh, College Ready was started when my firstborn, um, came home from middle school and he's, "Mom, I know exactly what I want to do when I graduate from high school." And I'm like, "Well, okay." And he goes, "Yeah, so I want to go to college." Um, so he came home and he was super excited. He says, "Mom, I want to go to one of those Ivy League schools and I want to be a doctor." And that was kind of it. And he starts to walk out and he looks back at me and he's like, will you help me? And I said, like any good parent would say, of course I will help you. There's no doubt about it. And he said, great, where do we start? And I said, well, have to finish dinner and just totally buying time. What I ended up doing is I— this was way before Google AI. I mean, there was Google, but we just didn't use it as much. And so the best thing I did is I called his soon-to-be high school counselor and I said, I have this predicament. My son wants to go to an Ivy League school. I was the first to go to college on both sides of my family. I have no idea how I'm going to help him. Can you help me? She said, sure, come on in. We'll have an appointment. I'm like, phew, this is going to be easy. Unfortunately, that's not how it happened. We went the summer going into his freshman year into his high school counselor, and I should say that it was a very large public school and they had never had an Ivy League student prior to my son. So I was a little nervous and the— we sat down and I said to my son, now tell her what you told me. And he says, so I want to go to an Ivy League school and I want to be a brain surgeon. And she looks at him and she goes, why would you waste your time or money? Doctors don't make money anymore. And my son's eyes got so huge, and I can just see the— just defeated. He was just so defeated is the best word I can say. And he looks at me and he's like, now what, Mom? And so I graciously thanked her, and I said, I guess we're on our own. And so I went back to school, and I got my master's degree. I went back to school, and I became a certified college consultant. And then I started touring 25 colleges a semester. Yes, I was a crazy parent because I didn't want to let my son down. He was a really good student, all around great kid, and I just needed to give him a, a plan. Well, prior to College Ready, I had started 6 other businesses, so I was a little bit of a serial entrepreneur, and all, all of them were very successful, and I sold off. So I'm thinking, well, wait a minute, what if I approach college as a business? And I really approached my son as I was promoting something that I wanted somebody to want. And then I started to build his standout strategy. And the crazy part is he actually listened. I know I have 4 kids. I know that is not the case all the time. But he did. He actually did step by step what I recommended for his standout strategy. So we have our first question, and I'm going to take them as they come. So, Joanne, I'm going to go ahead and let you have the floor. You can now talk. Joanne, what was your question? I can't hear you. If you want, you can put it in the chat. Unfortunately, I can't hear you. So, uh, you can either put it in Q&A, questions and answers, or you can put it in the chat. But unfortunately, I'm going to have to keep going. Alright, so with that in mind, we are going to continue on, and I wanted to share what we were going to talk about tonight, and that is testing. And I will tell you, I have to start with a personal story. Remember, I have 4 kids, so I've walked in your shoes, parents, and as a college consultant, who does not teach test prep. I do everything. I do academic fit, social fit, financial fit, and then I have the best test strategists around that I bring to my clients. But let me tell you a, a brief story. My firstborn, again, he was 4 years older than my second, and so a bit of the guinea pig. Um, he said, Mom, you know what? I got all A's. I've taken APs. I don't think you need to do any test prep for me. Just buy me one of those books. I'm like, wow, these other parents are complaining about the cost of test prep and my kid's asking for a book. I'm like, yeah, for sure. So I bought him the test prep book, and then I found him 3 different times asleep. Inside of the test prep book, but I didn't want to squish this opportunity for him to prove himself. And so what did I do? I let him take the test the first time by just prepping on his own. And again, he had all A's, he had taken APs, got 4s and 5s on his test. Like, I wasn't setting him up for failure. I was just letting him do it his way. And unfortunately, his way did not work out. The, the sad part is his— the first time he took the SAT and it counted, he did not score well at all. As a matter of fact, he called himself stupid, and he said that he's never going to go to college and that nobody would want him. And it wasn't a great score. I mean, he wasn't drama. It wasn't a great score. And I said, well, what do you think happened? And he said, I did it on my own. And I said, can you do it my way now? He says, yes, I learned my lesson. We will do it your way. So the first thing we did is I set him up with an at-home time diagnostic test. What this is, is our students sign up. It is part of our program, and they are then given an at-home SAT, and then 7 days later, ACT. And then right after that, we show them, here's the two scores. Then we can even show them, did you mess up on silly mistakes? Did you run into timing issues, or did you not know the material? So after my son did the diagnostic test, he found out that he's actually better at the ACT. Shocker! He was completely doing the wrong test because One of his friends told him it was an easier test. Again, be very careful. Your child doesn't learn like anybody else. So my son being— he, he learns by seeing. So he sees it, it's done. He doesn't have to do flashcards and all that other craziness. So the ACT absolutely spoke to him. So he then knew his dream school was going to be at that time was USC, and the reach that he never thought he could hit would be Harvard, which he did. But it all came down to this test score, and that's why I like to start this out. This is about testing. It is very important. So he did have a really good GPA, had a 4.6. This was 17 years ago, which was really high. He had AP, dual enrollment. He had it all. And then his test score, like, so we had to get his test score to match his GPA. Because here's the thing, parents, if a student has a high GPA and an average to low test score, colleges think your school gives easy A's or your student's not as smart as his grades are showing. The other part can happen. What if he has a really high test score and a low GPA? Then we have a smart, lazy kid. So the goal here is for the GPA and the test score to match. That way you don't have to explain anything to anybody, right? It's like, oh, check GPA, check test score, we're good. So that is going to be a really important factor. So once we got down to the diagnostic test and we were for sure he was stronger as an ACT student, Then I showed him the test score he would need to get into his dream school, and that's what I'm going to do tonight. So if you want to put into the chat or the Q&A, whichever, and put any school that you're curious about, who got in last year? What was the test score needed? Not— thank you for Stanford. Thank you. Just put them in there and I'm going to show you, like, I'm going to open the book up for you. So please do not abbreviate because there are so many schools with similar abbreviations. So I know it's a pain and I know you know it, but I need to spell it all the way out. So please put in the full, the full name. So I belong to an ethics organization called HECA. And with HACA, we get information of who got in last year. And every time I'm doing my college tours, I'm confirming it with the universities. See, unfortunately, US News and World Report is a bit of a marketing play. And let me explain, because it is really frustrating. A lot of parents count on US News and World Report, and this is the problem. When your student takes their PSAT, right, which our students take their PSAT their freshman year, their sophomore year, and their junior year, it's really, really important they do well on their PSAT. It's the first time colleges see them. Don't let them take a PSAT without prepping. It's like introducing them to family, but they're wearing their pajamas. It's just not a good way to do an introduction. So the PSAT is the first really, really important test unless your child's taken APs prior. So here's the thing. Don't have them just wake up and take it cold. They need to be prepping before they take the PSAT, which is October of their junior year. Why do I have our students do it their freshman year and their sophomore year? It's very similar to riding a bike. The very first time they rode a bike, they were a bit wobbly and a bit scared. That's the first time they take the PSAT their freshman year. The second time, they're feeling a little bit more confident, but they're not ready to jump off curbs. Yeah, so then by the time they take it their third time and they test prepped, wow, we had several National Merit Scholars throughout the years, and I believe it's because of the strategy that we take through our testing approach. Now remember, I am not selling test prep. I am a Certified Independent College Consultant. Why am I talking about testing? Because last year our students received $8.2 million in scholarships and every one of them took a test. So for me, it helps me to get a better return on the investment of CollegeReady, of their future school, of their preparation when they get scholarships. So why do I love scholarships? Many— or test prep? Many reasons for sure. So I want to make sure that everybody understands that testing is just— it's one of the 7, you know, parts of the puzzle. So it's important to realize that it's not the only one, right? That's important to understand. So I'm going to get into showing you each school, but I'm trying to help you understand the value proposition, why your child if they're anything like mine, said, oh no, we don't need a test. It's optional. And they really believed it from day one. Well, here's some problems that they probably didn't share with you parents, and maybe they didn't even know it. And again, I'm not selling test prep here. I'm just giving you the real information. So when COVID hit and schools started feeling bad and said, well, for those students who can't get to a site, can't have technology, whatever, they want to even the playing field. They said, you know what, we're going to go optional. And for some schools they went blind, for some schools they put required. It was a mess. It was all over the board. Here's the thing. Over the years since COVID in one day a college can change their mind. They don't have to give you a year, 2 years, 3 years. Hey, we're thinking about going test required. No. So what does that mean? It means that students believed that testing was optional, and they believed that it was going to stay optional. So in this last go-around of students who were not part of College Ready but came to me late, they were shocked. They weren't able to apply to their dream school because their dream school had decided to go test required. Do you see how critical that test is? Even our California UCs, our University of California schools, UCLA, UC Berkeley, on and on, they have optional. But what I will tell you is I've seen many, many students write about how hard they worked on test prep in essays and then got a perfect test score. How optional is it? Or those schools who were optional yesterday and are going to be required tomorrow. And then finally, scholarships. College Ready is focused on the academic fit, the social fit, and the financial fit. While we're helping the student build up their resume, their GPA, test scores, community service, leadership, extracurriculars, letters of recommendation, and essays, We're also helping them find the best fit school, their comfort school, their reach school, their safety schools. How will we do their financial negotiations? What does that look like? And then ultimately getting their family's financial house in order. From the looks of it, you are in that world right now because the FAFSA looks at the second semester of your sophomore year and the first semester of your junior year. What does that mean? A lot of you are in it right now. So I help the family lower your student aid index to increase the dollars you'll receive. It is a big mistake to believe that you will not receive any money because you make too much money. My son got a full ride to USC and Harvard matched it. You never know until the negotiations are done what is possible. So Firstborn went to Harvard, pre-med, graduated in 4 years completely debt-free. He took a test. Second— oh, then he went on. He took the MCAT. He self-studied because he learned all the techniques for his SAT and ACT. He got a 98% on the MCAT. He then went to UC San Diego Medical School, and he is now chief resident at UCLA for orthopedic surgery. He is a master test taker, and he's going to need it all the way through his career. So even if it was optional for college, it's not optional. When they get to college, they're still going to have to take placement tests. Then they're going to have to test out of required opportunities. So I just want you to know, parents, I'm on your side. I'm here to give you the knowledge that your child either may not know or may not share. That they know. I have never met a teenager who's like, yes, I cannot wait to test prep. Um, sorry, I will give you that information right now. Good question. All right, when will we get the information about the SAT versus ACT? What information are you looking for, Rippy? That's the question I ask. If you're waiting for your high school to do it, You're going to be waiting a very long time. That is not what high schools do. High schools graduate students. They do not prepare your child for college unless you're at a boarding or preparatory high school. So the important thing to realize is this is up to you parents. I tell parents this all the time. Who will build their 4-year academic plan? Will that be your student or you? Who will build their test strategy? When to take it, where to take it, how many times to take it, how to prep for it, and the score they need. Is that something you're going to research and do, parent? Is that something your student's going to do, or are you going to hire somebody to do that for you? That's the question that you're asking. How do you do that? That's what we do. So for our students, I'm going to tell you what we do, and then you get to choose to do it on your own, or you can hire us, or you can allow your student to try to figure it out on their own. But this is how we do it. So we have partnered with several test strategy companies because students learn differently. Some are auditory, some are— some see it, some hear it. Some need to write it, and so we need different kind of prep for different kind of students. Here's the thing, parents, if you learn one thing tonight that's worth the million dollars you paid for this webinar is this: as soon as your child has taken Algebra 2, they are ready to take the math portion of the test. There's also barometers for English as well. But here is the kicker. If you wait until when everybody else is doing it, typically doing it, that would be the end of the junior year. Well, if they took Algebra 2 their freshman year, now they have to relearn and refresh. This is the big mistake that most families make, is they do what all the average people are doing But if you don't have an average student, it's a disaster. They get so frustrated because they're like, why didn't I take this SAT or ACT right after I got an A in Algebra 2? And I'm like, I don't know. So unfortunately, this happens all the time. And that's why people hire us, is because you're going to learn that if you do what everybody else is doing,, you're going to get the same result, which is average. So the first thing you do, right, is you have they completed Algebra 2? Check. Okay, now you're like, okay, they're math ready. Now you have to look at, are they English ready? I don't have time, unfortunately, to get into that part, but I'm happy to get on a one-to-one call with you if you have that question. But the next thing is, which is their best test? Well, I pay for my students to get an SAT diagnostic timed and an ACT diagnostic timed full test because sometimes it's just getting through. Most of the students in my program who have high GPAs struggle to get the similar test score. Why? Because they've been brought up in high school, take your time, Don't rush. Get the answer correctly if you want an A in my class. Now we're telling them the SAT and ACT is not an IQ test. It is how can you beat the test? How can you beat it by time? How can you beat it by answering correctly? And how can you beat it by having everything you need to score well? So once they take the diagnostic test, it's very easy. I think 2 times in all my years a student scored equal to. There's always one that's a stronger test. And it's funny because students always have, well, my cousin said this one is better, or my sister said this one. They may like essays and your child doesn't. Don't listen to any well-meaning person. It has to be your child's own path. In their own timing. Once they take the diagnostic test, we throw one test away. They do not have to take both. Colleges do not care if it's the SAT or the ACT. They don't care. It's like Nike and Adidas. One of you may like Nike's, one of you may like Adidas. They're both great shoes. Same thing. Then I'm going to show you how I show my students what is the test score they need. So that's what I'm going to do. Before I do that, I want to make sure I'm answering your questions. When will we get the information? I shared. How do you decide which test is the best? We do a diagnostic. How do we pick? Through the diagnostic. Would love to do an analysis of why to take Would love an analysis of why to take ACT over SAT or vice versa when general characteristics fit each test. It— I don't know about you parents, but when you had your child, did somebody come up to you and say, oh, you're having a boy? Oh, you're having a girl? Okay, it's the same thing. I can't look at your student and go, oh, you're really good at math, you should take this test. That is, that is just not real. The only way to know for real is have them take the test and show me the score. And that's the only way. You can't have a feeling about it. You can't guess. You have to have hard data because it's so critically important. All right. Um, let's see. Should student athletes test earlier with their process of choosing, committing to a school? Well, here's the thing. If they haven't finished Algebra 2, they're not going to score well on their— either of the tests. So it really comes down to if you have a scholar athlete who has, you want to test as early as possible when that child is ready to take that test and do well. So I work with scholar athletes all over the world, and I will tell you It comes down to just as you don't want to push an athlete too fast to, you know, run the mile or whatever that is. You don't want to push them to test just because it's the right time. So it's important that the right time is for your student. So I'm going to show you. Oh, I have another one. Will this be recorded? Yes. Yes, it will. Good question. Happy, happy to help. Okay, we're gonna keep going. Now I'm gonna dive in and show you how I help our students do this, because I, I hate when I get on a webinar and I learn all of this stuff, and then I leave like, oh my gosh, I'm so, I'm so overwhelmed. I now have absolutely no idea what to do. I, I like to show everything. I like to give you massive value. My business of 17 years is built on referrals because I want everybody to know this. I'm on a mission to help a million families get into college and graduate debt-free, just like all 4 of my kids did. So this right here is my student portal. This is Vincent. He is a fake student. And in here, I create their standout strategy, and I bring all of their resources to them, everything they need. I bring to them so they don't have to go figure it out. The next thing I do is I help them understand the importance of testing by their major in their world, right? Because every major is going to be different from art to engineering. So we start to do the diagnostic process as soon as we know they're getting ready to finish Algebra 2. That's it. Ding, ding, ding, ding. That doesn't mean that they're ready. That means that they could be ready. All right, the other thing is don't have your student take the test unless they've taken a practice test and achieved the score they need. That's so important because you can't just keep taking these tests. Colleges are going to think you're just throwing darts at the dartboard and hoping something sticks. You have to have a strategy. So the first thing that we do is we help the student understand When are they going to take the first test? When do they need to register by? How do they do a late registration? What are the results that they received? Then we understand all the way through. So they put in their scores. The next thing that we do, and, and we just keep adding the test dates for the PSAT, the APs, the IBs, the dual enrollment, all of that. We have a whole place to put that to create a strategy. All right, the next thing is colleges. So I believe I saw Stanford was the first one on there, and that's usually on my list, but maybe we clean this up. So what we do when we meet with students one-to-one is we pull up their dream school and then we show them what it takes. So, and then I go in once a week and clean it and Stanford— all right, so Stanford, awesome school, doesn't have every major for every student. First thing you should know. Second thing you should know is there's a 4% chance of your student getting accepted. The student-to-faculty ratio is a 6 to 1, and this is per year. So important if your family cannot afford this per year, you want to make sure that they are going to have something extra special to receive scholarships. So if you're happy to write that check, that's fine too. Sometimes it just feels good to get scholarships. The next thing that we look at is students who applied. So last year, um, a bit more men than women, but not a ton. Who admitted? And who enrolled. As you see, they need to balance the women and men, just like they have to balance business and, um, let's see, liberal arts and, uh, accounting. Everything has to have a balance because one year they can't fire all of the teachers and then rehire them. And that's where it becomes really important to understand. So during Regular Decision, This is how everybody applied. Now, this is where it gets real. I show my student who wants to go to Stanford, and I say, look, the dark blue or the blue right here, that is your score, student, which means you were at the upper end of average for reading and writing. For math, you're at the upper end of math. Well done, student. One of 7 things Looking good. Now, if you were to take the ACT and compare it, you're at the top of the ACT. And so it's important to really understand what GPA and what test score by school. This is where students and parents get completely blown away, and that is every school has different admissions considerations. At Stanford, They consider alumni relation, but it's not very important or even important, but they do consider it. That's important, right? Then here are the very important things. Demonstrated interest. They don't care. You can demonstrate it all day long and they really don't care. So we go through all of this with our families by school because you can't treat all schools equally. As a matter of fact, most students don't apply to the same major at every single school they apply to. Then we show them graduation rate, we show them retention rate, we show them how generous this school on average meets 100% of need. If a student has need, you get in. Boom. Just like Harvard meets 100%. So it's important to look. The price came down significantly. As you look at the reality of the school. Then we can show you how the tuition is broken down. We can show you that this school is a FAFSA and CSS Profile school. We can show you the average aid packages, how much most students get. We can show you the average debt per undergrad student. We can show you the diversity or ethnicity of the student body. We can show you housing security. We can show you sports. So if you're looking at, you know, you want to do badminton, they only have it as club or intramural. So if that's important to your student, we need to know that. Then we help families see, is it a good fit academically? Which means, do they have their major? So if you're looking at, okay, I want to go in pre-med, this is not a pre-med school. They offer one major in this area as a bachelor's degree. There are a lot of other schools that you can go pre-med to and have a more in-depth opportunity. So knowing that not every school offers every major is a huge indicator and very important. Then we get into essays. At this school, The student will write 10 essays. They will write, uh, 650 words, 4 out of these 7 prompts. They will then have to come up with and list 10 activities, honors, and awards, 50 characters for position and leadership description. If you're applying to the UC schools, it's 20 activities, honors, and awards. So just know we go through all of this with our students, and then we show them scholarship opportunities. So back to testing is what we do with our students is we help them to know with a to-do when they need to do it, where they need to do it, how they need to do it, why they need to do it, the score they need, and how they will test prep. That is what we do. So that gives you an idea. I mean, there's so much more to this portal, but I, I wanted to stick to the testing subject and really give you massive value. Are there any questions about anything that I shared that I can answer for you? I will continue if there's no other questions. Okay, let me check out chat. Chat is, is good. All right. So as you come up with questions, parents, please let me know, and I'm happy to share. So if you are like, I, I really want to know for this school. All you have to do is go to college-ready-plan.info, and I'm gifting you 30 minutes with me, and I will tell you all that I'm sharing, but it will be specifically to your student, their major, their GPA, their test scores, so on and so forth. So back to testing. The first thing you want to do is you really want to get to know your student. And I know that sounds really odd. Of course, you know, they're your own child. But here's the thing that we don't often think about with our own. What are their gifts and their talents? Number 1, because if they are really, really heavy in the STEM and really struggling in the liberal arts, we need to get them support in the liberal arts because the SAT and the ACT look at all, right? It's, it's not just one section. At some colleges, they will only look at the major score. So if they are going to go to MIT, they may only look at the math section as their, their guide point. The other thing is you want to be understanding what is their test score. So there's several tests, right? There's, there's AP tests. And speaking of testing, if it's, I think, this weekend, next week, or next week and the following week, It's critical that your student gets a 3, 4, or 5 on those tests regardless of their GPA, because if they have a high GPA and they get a 1 on the test, that either means that that teacher did not test them well or your student did not retain the information. That is not a pretty thing for a college to see. So AP tests are very important. If your student gets 3 AP tests If they take 3 and they get a score of a 3, 4, or 5, they will be a National AP Scholar. That will look really good on their activities, honors, and awards. All right? So testing is more than just the SAT and ACT. It's APs, IB, SAT, ACT, college, dual enrollment. And just be very clear. How does your student learn? If they are a student who needs flashcards, great. If they are a student who needs somebody to sit next to them and work the problem, then that's what they need to test prep. Do not put them in a boot camp for average students if you want them to get a 36 on their ACT. It just doesn't happen that way. Over the years, I've had 6 students their freshman year get a perfect score on the SAT or ACT. 3 years ago, I had somebody before their freshman year. So do you understand if you make your, your child wait to do what everybody else is doing, you're actually putting them at a disadvantage? So I, I'm all about being proactive, not being reactive. And so if there's any questions that haven't answered, I want to make sure that I do that for you. It's, it's so important. These test scores equal scholarships. And what does that mean? That means that this past year we had 29 seniors get over $8.2 million in scholarships, and none of it was need-based. It was all earned, which means we know where the big money is and we know where to get it. But what they want to know is, what has your child done to deserve it? And so if your child hasn't done extracurriculars and they haven't done leadership and they haven't done test scores, why would they get scholarships? So we encourage our students not only for right now and helping them be successful, but it will help them test better in college. It will help them test better on the LSAT, the MCAT, the whatever they need to take, because it is not an IQ test. There is a strategy. And so when you hire somebody, you want to make sure, are they going to tutor your child, which means they're going to teach them the subject, or are they going to strategize with the student and teach them how to beat the test? 2 totally different programs, and that is why we bring test people to you. Okay, so I think it's really important to understand that these are all options for your family, and it, it's going to help them now and in the future. I just had a question. Do you also help with PSAT testing? Yes, so PSAT testing, right, that's the pre-SAT. Interesting enough, at some schools they don't offer it, so we have to actually help them find a school they can take it at or a location. But once we do that, then yes, we help them get clarity about the score they need and what the students who became National Merit Scholars, what their score was last year, and it's by state. So if I gave you a number here, it wouldn't be meaningful because every state is completely different. So what we do is we help each student understand what they need to do. And the first time they take it their freshman year, they have a lot to say about it. And what the score says is this is what they're really needing to learn. And now we can totally focus our attention there. If you don't take the PSAT and you just go right into the SAT, you are at a disadvantage. One, it's scary. You shove all of these kids into a classroom, you have a proctor, you have so many rules, and it's just intimidating. If your student has accommodations, um, then that will be different. They, they will get extra time. But yes, um, we, we start our students testing prep at the very beginning when they start with us. So we start students as young as 7th and 8th grade, and we take students all the way up through college transfers. It's important that we do not do grad school. We do not do med school. When my son graduated from Harvard, he had 1B. He applied to 33 med schools, and he got accepted to 3. At that point, the pressure was way too much for me, and I said, I'm gonna stick to undergrad. And it not be so intense. So every test that your student takes is meant for a reason, not meant for punishment. It's actually meant to either earn a scholarship, to earn admittance, to learn how to test. But optional, it's just, it's not guaranteed. And Students who don't take tests have a much more difficult time getting scholarships. That's why I think they're important. And I don't even sell test prep. My goal for my students is to find the best academic fit, the best social fit, and the best financial fit for them to get into the school they want to go to and out without debt. My second child, 4 years after my first, Her dream school was University of Alabama, and I remember asking her why, and she said, Mom, the football team, right? And I, I made a silly remark like, oh, you're going to play football. She didn't think it was funny. And what I learned is a test score made a massive, massive help to getting her into University of Alabama without us having to pay any money. So at some schools, testing is going to be critical. You can actually test out a whole year at some schools. So if you do well enough on enough AP exams, you get to skip all that, which is a year of college tuition. Testing is awesome, and I know it's not fun, and I know it does cost money to prep, but it's really well spent if you get the right person for your student. It's not quantity. It's not giving your student a book and have them just do repetition. That is not going to get them the score they need. They need a strategy. They need to know exactly the score they need and how they're going to get it, and then they hit the score on a practice test before they ever show it to a university. So In summary, and that is the test strategy that you want to utilize. Again, I'm going to put on, um, the chat, um, .info. If you go to college-ready-plan.info, you can set up 30 minutes with me where I go through with you all of the information I just shared. So what school, what test score, who got in last year, what are the statistics, what are the chances? And then if you're like, that was amazing, I now have my strategy set, that's fantastic. If you're like, dang, I don't want to spend all the time learning this, Shellee, can you just help my child? Absolutely, I can do that as well. So unless there's any other questions, I'm gonna go ahead and sign off for the evening. Um, but I'll stay on until everybody, um, says their goodbyes and has no further questions. So thank you so much for sharing your evening with me. If you have a question, feel free to stay on. You're welcome.