Dr. Rudolph Cartwright: Unlocking Memory Mastery with Exereading

I do really believe 100% from every part of me that everyone has the capacity to be able to do the things that they want and not to be held back by the mental baggage that's in our head that we want to push through.

Welcome to the do the Thing podcast. In each episode, we get down and personal with people who go after the things they want to make all their wildest dreams come true. Join us as we unveil and dissect a formula for what it takes to do the thing. Here is your host, Stacy Lauren.

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the do the Thing podcast. This is your host, Stacy Lauren. Well, you guys, I am just feeling so privileged today to be able to introduce my next guest to you because there's people that you meet in your life, you. That you just have no idea the level of impact that they can have on people's lives. And when you start talking to them and you get to hear just the things they've done and from their experience, the things that they can create and then test and then continue to test and improve and just all the things that come from just doing the thing with the thing that you're good at is literally the example of my next guest. Dr. Rudolph Cartwright is a retired neurosurgeon, and he's actually created this unbelievable thing called exa reading. And we're going to get all into it on this episode. And I'm so excited for you guys to hear it, because what would Doing the Thing be if you don't have your health or you don't have your memory or you don't have all of the things that keep you who you are? And so this episode is going to blow your mind with just the impact that this technique that he's developed over the years and the people that he's worked with on it can do for you in your life. And so I'm so excited to welcome Dr. Rudolph Cartwright to the show. Hi, Rudy.

Hi, Stace. How are you?

I am good. How are you?

I couldn't be any better. I'm on your show.

Doing the thing, right?

Doing the thing. You can't beat it.

Let's just start off with talking about the brain. You've told me once with the brain just in terms of there's nothing right. If you don't have that. Just start with that topic from the beginning.

Okay. We will start with the brain and when I was in practice and what we know today. No brain, no person.

Yeah. And it's really important hearing you say that, because for those of you that have been following do the Thing a while, you know about the do the thing formula. And there's the I in I'm game, which is identify the why. And so what Rudy is basically telling you right now is he's telling you why is it so important for you to be able to take care of your brain, your memory and all of these things that a lot of people might overlook. Right. Because the facts are we're busy, right? We're living our lives, we're going through all the things we go through on a day to day basis. But to actually know what to do to be able to sustain our life longer and to sustain our cognitive part of our life longer, I mean, I'm all in, right? So that's the why of why it's so important to take the time to do it. And so he's going to go through today and kind of talk to us about what this process looks like. So I'd love to go there next exo reading. I remember the first time you told me about this. I think I was shocked and amazed. We were in a car and you were basically telling me the story of how this was created. And I'd love to have you share a little bit about that as well.

Okay. I talk about it in one of my books. But when I was in practice in Atlanta, Georgia, I was driving home from my office preparing to make lay rounds at one of the hospitals that I practiced in. And it occurred to me, for whatever reason, I can't tell you that when we read a book or a tablet or what have you, we go, we start from left to right and then we go back and left to right, left to right, left to right. And I thought that was inefficient. And so. Well, I can say this here in the Western hemisphere, we read from left to right. If you go to the Middle east, they read from right to left. And as I was driving, I said, why can't we combine that? Go left to right and then when you get to the right hand side of the paragraph or sentence, read right to left. And when you get to the left hand side, drop down left to right. And then when you get to the right hand side, right to left. And that concept really stayed on in one of my folders for about. I said that was 1988, I believe. And it stayed in one of my folders until 2017. And I was being visited by one of my brothers and his wife and we were talking around the breakfast table and you know how things come up. You Start talking. And I told his wife that I had this idea, but I didn't know what to do with it. Okay, so if you recall now, we didn't have this technology in 1988 that we have today.

Right.

So she pointed me in the right direction. And I still can remember in 2017, during Thanksgiving time, I spent an entire day just practicing how I wanted to put this together. And as a matter of fact, I still got one of my notes that says, I'm trying to learn how to do this left to right, right to left, a style of printing on the computer. And I learned how to do it. Here's the kicker. I thought I was the first one that come up with this concept. I wasn't. The Greeks were doing it 2,000 years ago. They called it boustrophedon, plowing like an oxen in the field. So I thought, what I'll do is, since nobody's talking about it, I'll create a new word, and I'll call it exeread E X E R E A D. That means exercising while you're reading. And so you are exercising your brain and also your eyes. So I combine the two words, exercise and read, and I call it X. Read the same way they created this word motel. That's a created word meaning a hotel that you drive to to stay in overnight. So they cut it down and say, we're going to call this a moat tail. Isn't that nice?

Yeah. So, exoreeading from what you've told me, it basically helps with aging, right? With the aging process, specifically.

Yes, it does help with aging. And here's the thing to keep in mind about aging. There are really three aspects of aging. There's chronological age. You're born today or this minute, and you start to grow older. Just keep living. If you live another year, you'll be older than you were the year before. So that's chronological age. There's also a biological age. Keep living. Your biological age will slow you down. If you tell me that you are age 60 and you can do the same thing that you did at age 18, biologically, you didn't do much at age 18. Okay? And the third aspect is physiological, combined with how you think, you don't think the same way today that you did yesterday, something has changed in your thinking, okay? Now, these things, over time, they change. And what you want to do is institute some mechanism that can slow that process down and in some occasions, turn it around. And that's why I sent you those videos, so you can see where that person started. And she started in 2019 and where she is today.

Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up. Let's talk about those videos. So one of them I saw had just basically, she got her sense of smell back just after using exoreeading as a mechanism. I'd love to hear more about that experience, too.

Well, we had been talking off and on for a number of weeks, and then one day, she lives in one of those assisted living homes. And she asked me a question. She says, Dr. Cartwright, I've been noticing that I've lost my sense of smell many years ago, and it became apparent to me that she's talking about herself and her sense of smell had come back. Boy, I really thought, this is really great. Because what we've noticed is that she's noticed some change in her biology, a change for the better. She can smell now. So go ahead. I said, heather. That's her name. I said, what you got to do now is, since you're at this point, assisted living home, and we know you're in a wheelchair and have been in that wheelchair for 10 years or longer, I said, you have to ask them to get you up on the parallel bars. I said, don't let them turn you down. Because what we want to do is we want to have you stand up with help right next to the parallel bars for 1 second or 2 second or 3 seconds. And if you stay at it, you'll get better. And of course, you got to read this book, which is written in the X to read format. She agreed. And over time, she regained the ability to stand up not only for seconds, but for minutes. And then not only for minutes and then for hours. And we lost contact with each other. And she had my email and she started to send me her status as of December 2023. And I sent those to you. And I was really, really turned on by her staying at it, being focused, being persistent, and getting where she is today. And as I told you, she told me back in 2019, her job was to get out of that wheelchair and go on a cruise. Well, as I think I mentioned it to you, that I talked her into stopping here in San Diego on a cruise, and she agreed, and she's agreed to stop here next September and you'll get to meet her.

Stacey, I'm excited. How does it feel to know that something that you've devoted your life to has now helped change her life where just by her being able to follow the system that you've put in place, and then she's followed it and now she's reaching these benefits.

It feels wonderful. Mainly because I have been a reader as far back as I can remember. Even before I went to elementary school. I was reading something and I would bring things up to my dad and he would try to explain things to me. And if I didn't understand it, I would try to go look it up on my own. But at any rate, it feels great. But the important thing is, is that a number of things that we do that should help us and we find out that they don't, then here's another avenue to try. Because you never know unless you try. And we used to say in the old days, nothing beats a try but a failure. So you got to try. That is, if you want to do better, you got to try and you got to stay at it. You can't just say, oh, I give up, because you might give up one day too soon.

Yeah, that's such good do the thing advice to be able to reframe failure and what that looks like, I'd love to know. Why do you think exoreading works? Why does it actually work?

It works because you are being introduced to something that is new or novel to the brain and your immune system. Those two go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. You know, your immune system fights off all kinds of diseases as well as cancer, but your nervous system runs the show. As a matter of fact, part of your immune system resides in the substance of the brain. So when you have one, you are helping the other. And what we're really doing is that we are addressing the brain substance, the volume of the brain. We don't talk about it a lot because now you're getting into that high tech area where those scientists talk among themselves. But when you talk about improving the substance of the brain, what you're really saying is you are improving the electrical aspect. And when that is improved, you improve. No brain, no person.

So you guys just so you know. So basically in order to be able to use this as a mechanism to help with memory, aging or whatever else you're wanting to do, because there's a lot of different benefits that it has. Basically you get the book and then that's it. You get the book and then you follow the system that he's laid out in the book. So it's really in what, 15 minutes a day, they're able to make a massive improvement in terms of their aging and all the good things.

Yeah, 15 minutes per day. But you have to do 15 minutes each and every day. And when you think about it, 15 minutes is not really a long time. If you look at the number of minutes there are in a 24 hour period, 15 minutes is not even 1% of that. As a matter of fact, there are 1,440 minutes in a 24 hour period. Okay.

Yeah, that's good. That's really good. What other benefits have you seen from people that have gone through this?

I have seen people and I think I sent you one of these ZOOM meetings we had where she talks about her learning to xre and then getting her memory back. She was 39 or 40. Getting her memory back to where she was age in her 20s. And I think if you recall, if you go back and listen to it, I think someone had mentioned we were recording this. Someone said yes, they were thinking the same thing because it was an impromptu testimonial. No one asked her to say it. We didn't know it was going to come up, but it did. That's another one.

So by her reading 15 minutes a day, using exoreading as a tool, her memory was able to get back to when she was in her 20s.

That's what she said. And what we're really talking about, Stacy, we're talking about addressing the aging process. Okay. And when you address the aging process and it's the correct thing to do, you get better. You get better. And they talk about in the scientific literature about the brain volume. I have been reading about brain volumes for several years and I got good images of what they published. And it occurred to me what they're really talking about is the volume of communication. One area of the brain communicating with another area. That's what they mean about improving the volume of the brain. They're talking about one area communicating with another area. And when I think about that, it's really great.

Yeah. So it's basically turning on these different areas, which is then what's making all of these things happen because their brains almost. And I'm just totally putting a shot in the dark from what we're saying, but it's almost shocked because it's doing this new thing by reading backwards and forwards. So then all these things are now firing.

That's correct. Now I noticed you said backwards and forward. It's really not reading backwards, it's reading forward in the opposite direction. Let me explain. You have a car, don't you?

Yes.

Does it have a front end?

Yes.

Does it have a back end?

Yes.

So if you back out of your garage, you can turn that car around and back it into the garage. Right. So the cars have a front end and a back end. So do the letters of the Alphabet. And what I want you to do, we're going to look at these uppercase letters. We used to call them capital letters, but they call them uppercase letters. That's okay. Same thing. Synonym. If you print or type an uppercase a, one side of that A, the right hand side of that A looks the same as the left hand side of that A. Is that correct? I want you to type or write an uppercase B. The right hand side doesn't look the same as the left hand side, does it?

Right.

Or do they? So what you can do, if you take that B and put it on the right hand side of that page or line and flip it over where the front part of that B is pointed to the left hand side, that is forward in the opposite direction. Do you agree?

Yes.

That's what X read is all about. It is taking words. Okay. Like wow, we can write that wow in a certain way on the left hand side of that line. And you can take that wow and flip it and put it on the right hand side. And now they are both forward going in the direction of reading. That's what Xre teaches you to do. Yeah.

And it's almost like you've been able to really create this system that's so simple to use that and can make such massive results. What do you think about it? Is you're able to do it in such a short amount of time and then the results, I guess because it compounds. Huh. Because every day you're doing it and then compounding.

Yeah, every day you're doing it.

I'd love to hear just how you even got to write the book. What did that take? Cause I'm imagining all the research that you did and all of that. How was that?

Oh, don't get me started.

Well, I think it's easy for people to see an end result. Right. But to know the amount of thought and work and people. And I'm imagining you even as a neurosurgeon seeing people and patients and. And feeling like, I don't know if this was you, but I could just imagine the pain it feels to see where. Where people can end up. Right. And so you've committed your life to this work and so I could just imagine the amount of time and energy and iterations.

You are absolutely correct. It took a great amount of time. Not one hour more, not one day more. And I mean, my wife was in it, she would tell you, 8 hours a day, some days, 10 hours a day, 12 hours a day. Here's the thing. And he's expired now. But John Kenneth Galbraith, the great Canadian economist, says, you cannot write a book unless you sit down and do it each and every day. He's correct about that. You want to write a book, you got to sit down every day. Some days, he said, you can't get one word written on that piece of paper. And then the other day he said, it just flows out of you. He's correct about that. So because I had read a number of his books, I thought, okay, I'm going to stay at this today. I can get anything down without X ray, but I got to still try. And then after you have written a chapter or a verse, you have to edit that chapter or verse. He Sundays at least five times. I thought, this guy is crazy. But, okay, I gotta do it. And then after. After, I hate it. Would write a page, I would send it to someone, one of the gentlemen who was good at teaching. And no, Kara, you didn't put that comma in the right place. You didn't put that semicolon in the right place. You didn't put those quotation marks in the right place. You got to do it here, this, and you got to rewrite this. So it took me a while, but because I had decided that I was going to do it, I stayed at it and I stayed at it, and boy. Or the other thing is, I had to find a place to publish it, and Amazon agreed to take it, but I had to go through another person to put it in their shape. And this person and I had a disagreement about something and we had to resolve this dispute. And I had to tell Amazon, there's no dispute here, just that he wants to take away what the book is all about. So there is no dispute. So we all agree to do it in this manner and we come up with the book. So it took a while.

Yeah. And I want you guys to notice something for the listeners, because I know so many of you are aching to write the book. Right? It does take that consistent action to be able to do whatever it is that thing is you want to do, whether it's improve your memory, write a book, exercise. It's just being able to be committed to it each day. And so other amazing thing that it is is since she went through all of that work, now it's living. This book is alive, right? And it's actually able to be something that people can use Every day, which to me is amazing. It's like you did all that work, and now it's able to be in as many homes as you want it to be.

That's correct. But that depends on Stacy. Here's the thing. If you want to play baseball, basketball, football, ice hockey, just pick a sport. You have to practice and practice and practice some more until your coach quits blowing the whistle, and he'll tell you where you made your mistakes, or she will tell you where you made your mistakes. But you got to stay at it. You can't say, well, I came to practice today. I don't have to come in until the season over. I don't think so. You want to be an Olympic star, you got to practice at it and you got to stay at it. If you don't win that trophy this year, you got to wait again, come back again, but in the meantime, you got to continue to practice. And that's what we ask individuals to do. I say this. If a person is not willing to practice 15 minutes a day, at least don't bother to get the book, because it's about your being healed. That's what it's all about.

And so you mentioned that one person with the memory and how it changed to. I think she said she was in her 30s, but then it made her to have her memory in the 20s. And I was just wondering, what else have you noticed in terms of memory? I feel like that's such an important topic that a lot of people don't talk about is how to really slow down those signs that can come up as we age.

Someone send me their water skiing, okay, this person is in her 60s and she has Ms. Again. Along with every issue or problem that we have, aging plays a part. If you can address the aging in an appropriate fashion, you'll get better. We tell them that up front, but we say, don't bother with this book if it's going to be off and on, off and on, off and on. Because the human body is not designed in that fashion. It doesn't say, oh, I'm living one day and tomorrow I'm not living. It keeps living. So you have to practice and live along with it and at the same time have the correct thought processes. And saying, I'm going to get better. I mean, who goes to school? Take a course and say, I'm taking this course because I'm going to fail it. Who does that? Think about it.

It's true.

See, you go to school. You pay to go to school. Your parents pay for you to go to school to do what fast? And you'd better open a book. If you don't study what that instructor is teaching, you won't make it. So we're all about living it, practicing it, and knowing that we're going to get better. Think about it. Who says, I am going to drive from San Diego to New York City, but I'm not going to get there?

It's a really good point. It's a really good point.

So I'm going to drive to Washington, D.C. but I'm not going to get there. Who does that? So if you want to drive to New York City, you got to stay on the road and you got to stop and get some fuel, fill up along the way and get better. Does that make sense?

Oh, totally. Yeah. So the other thing that I'm just thinking about, too, that I think the listeners should hear about, because there's something about when you're passionate about something and then you've created a system for it, right? And you wrote this book. You're not done. This is your life's work. From what I've been able to tell, you've devoted so much to this because you see the impact it has on people and what it can actually do for them with such a minimal amount of time. And I know that now you're exploring exo reading and other things we had talked about with music and some other things. I'd love to hear a little bit more about that, too.

Yes, music, you know, and music, there's always tune that they write. And then someone may or may not come along and add words to the tune. And one day I'm sitting next to a person who's playing the piano. I said, do you mind if I send you a piece of music that I've created? And I explained to him, I want to know if you can play this. In other words, you know, you have a. A treble clef and a bass clef. Treble clef and a bass clef. Now, I want to know, you start over from left to right, and then you go by left to right. I ask, can you see if you can get over on the right hand side of the sheet music, drop down and you got to play the notes, but they'll be written in reverse order. This person looked at me and are you crazy? I said, no, I want to know if you can do it. There's a reason music really, when you really look at music, the way it's written and the way they play it, it's another Language, it's a foreign language. So if you can take music and get over on the right hand side, drop down and play it in the opposite direction, you are really, really helping the human brain. A few people can do it. How many? I don't know, because I sent some pieces off to someone. Did you get a chance to try it? No, I didn't get a chance to try it. It's two weeks later. Well, that just tells me it's not going to be tried. Yeah, because I said, take five minutes, see if you can do that. And all of these musicians that play music, read music, they are smart people anyway because they've learned another language and then they can execute it. So I'm still in the process. I found one person located in Las Vegas, Nevada, and I think two months ago, I asked that person if they could Write me a 3 1/2 minute piece of music that's new, never been published before. Because if that person can do that, I can convert it in the X read format, send it back to him and say, now play this. Find someone to play it, and then have them to publish it. It's a big deal from my point of view. So that's where I'm at now, is to convert some pieces of Music into the XR8 format and then to get someone to play it.

So if you guys play music and you want to also be double doing it and helping your memory, reach out to Dr. Cartwright, because that would be a great way to test it.

That's exactly right. But here's the deal. If some of your listeners write music, they can send that pieces to you. You can send it to me, and I will convert it, get it back to you. You get it back to them and see what they say, see what they do. If you notice, I always say I have to go through Stacy. That's the way I'm built. If I start with someone, I want to stay with them, and that's the way it is.

So what would be your number one piece of advice for people on doing the thing? And the thing is anything. It's going after your dream. It could be improving your memory, it could be becoming a surgeon, any of these things. But what's the common thing that you think would be something that would help people to be able to take action on whatever they want to do?

The common denominator is to make up your mind what you want to do. Once you have said, I want to do this, you have to make a resolution. Okay. And then you have to say, I'm going to keep this resolution. You know, hear individuals talk about, I made a New Year's resolution. That's only part of it. They didn't say, I'm going to keep this resolution. And then once you have made up your mind to keep the resolution, keep it. No matter what, keep it. Because there's always going to be something to try to throw you off the path that you've selected. So make your mind up on what you want to do, then focus on it, and then do it and keep it. That's the way it is. You can't say, I am going to make this Olympic team, but I'm not going to come to practice. I'm not going to stumble and get up. I'm just going to quit. No, because when you think about it, the only thing you have is the rest or remainder of your life. So go after what you want and you'll get there.

Speaking of that, that just makes me wonder, when you were going after this exa reading, when you first kind of discovered this idea, what was the moment for you that got you to have that? Almost this epiphany of, oh, my gosh, this really works. You went through this work to figure out the system, and then you actually created it. And then all of a sudden something happened which got you to see that it actually worked.

I don't think that was just one moment. I think there were several different moments. And I don't recall ever having a pencil and a piece of paper to write them down. I wish I had, but that's water over the down, we used to say. But I can recall staying with it just thinking about. And as I indicated, when my brother and his wife were here, that concept came up around breakfast. And I go, I gotta look for this. Fold this red folder. And I look day in and day out for that red folder. I'm a pack rat. I keep everything. You name it, I got it. I got things from high school. Anyway, as it turned out, I couldn't find the folder that I was looking for. And I found when I had someone to pencil for me. You know, you find someone who knows how to draw things. I said, here's what I want to do. And now you have, you know what I want to do? Pencil it for me and bring it back to me and tell how much it costs that person. I still got the pieces of paper. They're bright yellow and a little rough over the surface. 1988. And I said, yeah, this is what I'm looking for. Well, in 1988, we did not have the technology that we have today.

Yeah.

So then I was talking to a gentleman, and I was telling him, I can't find how to do this. He says, scan it and send it to me and I'll help you out. So I've had help along the way. New concept, never been done. Finding people who thought, oh, that's interesting. Let me see where he's going to go with this. I got to say this. I was looking for this document in a red folder. I found it in a brown folder. And one of my good friends lives in Texas. He said, you can never find what you're looking for if you're looking in the wrong place. I said, jim, I got it. I got it. That's what kept me going. All these little pieces along the way sometimes say you're being tested. They want to know, do you really want to do this? Okay, we're going to test you, see how long you stay at it. Well, I'm still at it, but I've also, as I am going back through it. I know. Incidentally, I got to tell you, I read this thing every day myself, but I like to walk and read it. When I go out walking, I'll take it with me and read. Because in the book I mentioned that that's one of the ways you get better, is that first you got to be active or walking, and then you got to X ray. And when you combine those two, you get better. I got a design in there, so I have to take some of my own medicine.

I'd like to hear, is there anything I didn't ask you that you wish I asked you?

No, I did not come into this session with you to think about or talk about what I wish you would do, because then I don't learn anything. I don't.

Yeah.

I have to listen to what you say at the spirit of the moment. My spirit of the moment, and then see if my brain can take that and give you an answer. And so far, I've been able to do that. I believe you may come back and say, all right, you didn't. But as I told you, that's okay with me because that's the way I get better. I get better by yours causing me to stretch a little or a lot.

Yeah.

Okay. So that's the way I get better. Since going over these different aspects with you for the past week that I would send you, I have come up with some new ideas, new concepts. For example, if your balance is off, I know how to create a digital exercise for that to get better balance is a big deal. You can't drive your car or walk out there to get in your car unless your balance is firing on all cylinders. You can't do it. You can't eat your breakfast with a fork, a spoon and a knife unless the balance between your fingers, hands, fingers, arms and eyes and the movement of the eyes unless they are in sync. So balance is a big deal. For example, there are individuals who are up in age past 60 usually, and you'll see them walk with a K. And you might ask them, how does that K why do you want them with a kid? And they'll tell you, our balance is start to get bad, I don't want to fall. Or we can help you. I am one of those individuals. If I see someone who has certain issues, I'll go over and ask them all about what's going on. For example, me and my wife, I call her Sweets. And Sweets and I were in the airport in Atlanta, Georgia. We were flying back from Connecticut. I had been reading up on phantom limb pain. And I had you've heard about phantom limb pain, right? And this person, and this pain is coming from an area of the body, an extremity that's been chopped off. And I see this person over there who part of her right calf was totally gone. And I had been reading that they have this phantom limb pain. And if they participate in a certain aspect, would that pain go away? So I thought, I see this person, I go over, introduce myself. She had false limb calf all the way down to the foot. I said, look, I've been reading up on this phantom limb pain. And I have been reading up on. They give it another name. I call it X ray. I said, does that phantom limb pain respond to this issue? She says, big time. It goes away. And I said, really? She says, yes, yes. And I says, I got it. And back over toll. Sweet. Guess what? This book will help.

Wow.

Fathom them pain. And that person told me, no ifs, no ands and no buts.

That's incredible.

It is incredible.

And please share with people. So in terms of they're listening and they're like, okay, how do I get this book? What does that look? And then why do they want it? Do you want to just kind of talk to the person listening right now about what it could do for their life, where they can get it, and.

All of that good stuff where they can get it. Here's what I would like for them to do, if you don't mind, Stacy. I would like for them to send you their email address. You will send that to me and I will send them the link where it's located on Amazon. Currently I'm working on LinkedIn, my Shopify right now. You can get this book on Amazon and I can send them the link to it, or I can. What I could do, Stacy, since this is your area of expertise, I can send you the link and you can pass it on to them.

Oh, yeah, I could put it in the show notes. Yeah. So what I could do. Yeah, I'll put the link in the show notes. And then if you guys are wanting to even work with Dr. Cartwright one on one, you could always email me@stacyothethingformula.com and I can help get that coordinated as well.

Now, I'm going to ask you a question. How did you come up with do the Thing?

It was a really fun process where I was writing a book and ended up. Actually, it's funny, now that you're saying that it comes from memory, is I was talking to a book strategist about my book, and she wanted me to kind of go over all the times that it was hard for me to do the thing, because in order to have it be a good book, she said it had to have some struggle part of my story. And at the time, I couldn't remember any of that stuff. And so that's what's funny. We're going back to memory again. And so that's where she said it'd be better If I interviewed 10 people and found out their do the Thing story. And that way we could incorporate those stories in the book. And so that's when I was like, well, if I'm going to interview people, I might as well just start a podcast. So that's when that started. And then after I did 80 interviews, I dissected a formula for what helps people do the thing. And each person had these common patterns in their story. And after I dissected the formula, that's when I decided I wanted to test the formula. And that's when I started my first do the Thing challenge. So that's where the community came in. And now I'm running challenges in the group for the last year and a half, and it's been really fun.

Okay. And with that, it's about 15 seconds to go. And you had the last word.

Well, thank you so much for joining. This was so wonderful getting a chance to do this with you. I really appreciate it.

Thank you for offering.

And for the listeners, do the Thing. Don't wait for opportunity. Create it and hey guys, did you check out my Facebook group yet? Go to do the thingcommunity.com thanks for.

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