Stephen Scoggins' RISE FROM HOMELESSNESS TO SUCCESS STORY #podcast

To truly be unstoppable, you have to be in a place of surrender and trust, being grounded. I believe that the only way you're going to. Because essentially you're going to keep meeting resistance until you stop resisting the resistance, right? Until you allow for things to begin to take shape. So this allowing things to take shape now becomes the catalyst point for the next step. So you can be unstoppable with resistance and you're constantly forcing, or you can be unstoppable in flow, and you're constantly flowing like you're on a riverbank. So I kind of look at. It looks like your. Your principles are your riverbank, but yet the river itself is the flow. So you either be the dam that the flow goes up against, and eventually the water will pierce the rock, but it's going to take a lot longer than if you just let the dam water break and kind of let the water go. Does that make sense? I know it's a bit of an analogy, but that's. That is my. That's my new shift. What it means to be unstoppable is being able to operate and surrender trust and flow. And again, it's easier said than done. But if you don't start now, working on the grounding techniques, working on the sabbatical, working on the journaling, working on the prayer, working on being still and being and getting this place of stillness, you can't really get grounded. And if you're not grounded, you're, by definition in chaos. You can't be more than. You can't be in both places at once.

Oh, my goodness. I am so excited you tuned in to the Amberly Lago show today, because I have one of my favorite people on the planet with us today. He is my brother from another mother. He is Mr. Unstoppable. Stephen Scoggin is with us, y', all, and you've heard him on the show before. You've probably. If you've been to the Unstoppable Success Summit, you have seen him. If you're. I mean, if you got to see this guy speak on stage, he lights up the room. So he's spoken at my event. I have spoken at his event. He's a podcaster. He's an entrepreneur, and he has got the most inspiring story. He helps businesses. He's a nine. He went from being homeless to earning, like, nine figures, exiting out of several businesses. He helps entrepreneurs in so many ways rather than just inspiring them, he gives them, like, strategic steps to scale their businesses and live a life of just Being Unstoppable. I mean, the list goes on and on. Of all the things, he's been featured in Forbes, USA Today, he speaks on stages. Actually, he is making time to come and pour into the podcast, even though he's about to take the stage at an event right now. So, Stephen, I love you. Thank you for being here.

Anytime, my sister, anytime. You know, I absolutely love you and Mrs. Unstoppable. We make a great couple in this. This world. Trying to make an impact for sure.

I know. I just think it's so awesome how you are. I just say, hey, Mr. Unstoppable, and then I miss Unstoppable. And I've got so many questions for you. And we have, you know, so many entrepreneurs that listen to the show, and I feel like a lot of people that I talk to right now, they're struggling.

Not just mentally, but they're. They're this mindset of scarcity, of they don't have enough money, and they. They want. I mean, I actually just had somebody reach out to me, and they were like, well, I really wanted to buy your book, but I can't afford to buy, you know, a book right now. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, how can we turn this around? Because, yeah, look, I. I know that it can be scary. In fact, I do a gratitude list every day, and I usually write 10 things I'm grateful for. But on the 10th thing, I didn't write something I was grateful for. I just wrote my word for today is trust.

Yeah.

And I feel like when you can just trust that all will be well, everything will work out. But I would like to start with, like, a little bit, and if, you know, go back to the episode where I had Stephen on, and I really. We really get into his story a lot. But somebody like you, who was homeless and now you are this incredible, you know, successful entrepreneur. And by the way, I had my event at his gorgeous facility in Raleigh, North Carolina, and that really kind of ruined me, Stephen, because that stage was unbelievable. The setup and the design. It's hard to find any place like that. But how did you go from going from that mindset of you were homeless to where you are now? Where did you start? And where can somebody start to just scale up in their life?

Oh, that's such a loaded great question. Because there's so many different places you can start.

Right.

I think the. The easiest thing to understand is every human soul has a resonance and a frequency. Okay. And if you wake up each day, kind of what you're Talking about. And you start off with gratitude or joy or some kind of principle that's, that's more uplifting and light lifting, I would call it like light as in, you know, beautiful light. What happens is you're able to basically gravitate towards a higher level of frequency and higher level, higher level of resonance. Science has actually proven now that literally, if they were to put you under a certain light, you can actually see the soul's resonance literally follow the shape of your body. And the more you're in love and joy and peace and mercy and grace and these other higher uplifting things, the residency of the frequency actually is off your body quite a bit. The reason I say that is because I had this interesting epiphany. So you and I were talking a little bit off air about, hey, last year it posed some challenges, right? And you would think.

That, you know, you exit a business, you got it all figured out, you can kind of go where you want to go, do what you want to do and stuff like that, that life is easy and whatever, not so not the case. And I actually learned that over the last 25 or 30 years specifically.

Essentially what it takes to win is becoming what I refer to as the integrated entrepreneur. Okay, I'm trying to explain what that means.

Actually a question I have highlighted to ask you was what the heck is an integrated entrepreneur?

Yeah, well, and it's funny thing is, you know, our. One of my, my book agent, because I'm obviously working on a new, a new manuscript myself. And when I first proposed that, we're going to call, we're going to call this manuscript the Entrepreneur's Edge. And then she got into the book and she's like, Stephen, this concept has never been discussed before. This is so different. She actually referred to me as Wayne Dyer for business, which is kind of funny.

I love that.

So I really like that. But the, the integrated entrepreneur is the entrepreneur that is so self aware, so emotionally regulated and so emotionally honestly secure that they're constantly grounded. And out of every grounded place comes the gravitational pull to have an elevated place. Or as our mutual friend Henry would, would call it, my word for the year is actually ascension. So ironically, yours, you said yours was trust. Mine's ascension, my mine is raising right. The integrated entrepreneur spends a lot of time in really four categories. They're integrated in their mind, they're integrated in their emotions, they're integrated in their body, and they're also integrated in their actual energy signature. Right. So those four categories oftentimes are moments of dysregulation. For example, every major bad decision I have ever made in business or in relationships or anything of that nature came as a byproduct of subconscious programming that just acted out like a response or reactivity thing or being dysregulated in the moment and you just make a reactionary decision and then you have to deal with the consequences of making that decision. And that's what causes chaos piece. So if you want to get started in actually elevating yourself, you actually have to work backwards. And I love the fact that you actually do the grab the Gratitude journal every morning because that is a way of working backwards to actually work forwards, if that makes any sense. That's probably where I would have him start.

I think that's huge. I will tell you though, and I'm gonna, you know, we keep it real hill here on the, on the show. And I, I don't know if it was that I just had, I've had like. Well, it's been a lot of back to back to back, never ending days. But yesterday was like especially a back to back day where I think I was online for like 12 hours yesterday.

Oh gosh.

And it, it can, it can be a little draining after a while. You know, as much as I love what I do. Yeah for me to see sit in one spot, like I try to get up and do some push ups in between or just go outside to get grounded a little bit if I can. But it was one of those days. And I think sometimes that our days can carry over and affect our next day. And I was just exhausted. I went to bed and I woke up still kind of tired, but I woke up in a funk. And I was like, okay, I want joy, I want to feel happier. I want to feel more grounded. And I think that's one of the reasons I was like, trust. My word for the day is trust. All this stuff is going to work out, you know, And. But I went through my gratitude practice and I was like, okay, it shifted my perspective a little bit, but I'm still feeling like slow and I'm in, in a slump. I need to get out of this slump. And I know you talk a lot about that. Then I was like, okay, well I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to go and look on social media or my emails. I need to just go move my body because I know that moves my mood. And I was at the gym and I'm like, okay, usually when I go go to the gym and I put some AC DC on And I start pumping it up.

Let's go.

Yeah. I get the endorphins going. And it was not working. And I was like, well, maybe I need an energy drink. So I went. I stopped, went to the front, got an energy drink, and I'm like. It was everything I could do just to keep going. And I was trying to mentally feel integrated and get some joy physically get going. What do you do when you're in a place where you're like, okay, I'm trying all this stuff, and I am still feeling like, what is wrong with me? I just want to feel better. I want to.

What?

What, do you have days like that? And if you do, what do you do?

Well, first of all, I'm human, so I absolutely have days like that again.

Okay. So I'm not alone.

It's not even close. Not even close. You know what's really funny? When it comes to grounding principles and techniques, it's a little different for everybody. You know, some people can get the pickup by moving their body. I'll share with. I'll share this with you. So I went through another significant life transition the last few months that I'm still. I'm actively working through, which is part of where this. This concept really took took root at. Because I had to go, you know, you kind of like, okay, what was working for me before? What's not working for me now? What was I doing then that I'm not doing now to kind of digest that? And one of the things that I used to do, because, you know, we talk about the unstoppable thing, right? So is I. If. If a problem came up, I would just barrel right through it. I would just go after it. And then that began not working. And then I realized something. I realized I was trying to. Beginning to live my life and operate my businesses and my teams with force. Not as like a mean, but like, I'm going to push it through. I'm going to make it happen. I'm going to. I'm going to go, go, go.

Yeah.

And then something about something in my spirit. And obviously, I'm a person of faith and big believer in Jesus and energy and the whole deal. Right. So something my spirit said, you're actually supposed to do it the opposite way now. You're supposed to lean into flow now. You know, So I. I'm like. Like many of our friends, I also have my own coaches and counselors and people that I work with. Right.

Which I think is so important. And I'm so glad that you brought that up. Because as successful as you are, you, you still have coaches, you still have mentors, you're still in masterminds, and you still get yourself in the room. And I do the same thing. I go to events, I have a coach, I have a mentor. I am in two masterminds. I mean, I think it's super, super important. So thank you for bringing that up. I just have to say that really quick.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, and I'm glad you did because that is a part of the grounding. So when I'm having issues or something I'm trying to work through, it's always nice to have somebody I can tap on the shoulder for one, for two. In order to lean into flow, you actually have to do the opposite of what you've been doing. So I'll give you an example. Just before we popped on here, I sat over here because I'm obviously traveling and doing the, we're doing the, you know, doing the event thing this week. And I sat on the, I sat over here on the, on the hot. On the hospital bed, the hotel room bed. And I just sat in quiet for 30 minutes, which is total opposite of what Steven's normally done. Stephen has historically gotten up and just kept going, went to the gym, pushed through and stuff like that. And I sat over there, I took seven, seven breaths, A seven second breath in. I held it for seven seconds, I released it for seven seconds and I did it for seven times. And then I just sat and I was still. And what is nuts about that is I'm getting more clarity, more divine downloads of how to shift my energy, shift the problems, work on the solutions, getting these dependencies, divine downloads more than I would when I used to go to the gym. I'd pop an energy drink, I'd be pumping iron, I'd be able to put my iPhone out and type down my notes. My next book, my next this, my next that podcast questions that. There's just something about the energy in the world that seems to be shifting towards stillness. My grandfather used to say, be still and know that I am God. And I'd never put that into practice until this year. And that is my number one grounding technique right now is to be still, believe it or not.

Well, I love that. In fact, before we started recording, I was like, yeah, Henry and I talked for two hours yesterday.

And you know, he like first took like a six month hiatus from posting. In fact, you know, my husband is, I think he's president of Henry's fan club. He loves. And he was like, I haven't seen Henry. What's going on with Henry. He hasn't been posting as much. And so Henry, he was missed, but he was like, it was the best thing I could have done was just, you know, take a break from it. And our mutual friend Ed Mylett was telling me the same thing. He hasn't posted since, like, last March, I think. And he said, I highly suggest it, if your soul is just calling you to pause, to take a break. And I think there is power in the pause. And yeah, for the first time ever, I have been doing breathing techniques, especially when I'm in a lot of pain or especially when I can't seem to calm my monkey brain, my monkey mind, the. That breathing man, it just is a reset for your sympathetic nervous system. And so I love that you're doing that too. And you know what? I. I feel and see the difference in you, Stephen, because.

Thank you.

I am used to seeing that, Steven. That's just like, let's just go. We're going to make it work. We're going to just figure it out. I mean, I've seen you in action and I've seen. I've seen that, and you have this, like, this sense of like, grounded, calm feel. I see the difference in you.

Well, thank you. Well, I mean, in this. So this difference, believe it or not, is relatively recent work. I've only been kind of operating in this new level. Henry was a part of that. My good friend Paul, who's one of my coaches, was. It was a huge part of that. I met him through my book agent about three and a half years ago. And I don't know, there's just something about if you can get grounded and rooted and regulated and stay there as often as possible, you can literally become the integrated entrepreneur, like the integrated person. All that means is that your body, your mind, your soul, and your energy are all on hyper alignment. That's all that really means. What happens is life goes like this and this and this and this. And then, okay, so your energy's hyper. Your energy is good, and then your mind's all over the monkey brains, over the place. And then your mind's good, and then your energy's all over the place. Or the spiritual. Like, it's, It's. It's a constant state of chaos until you take ownership of the chaos and say, you know what? Enough's enough. I'm gonna. I'm going to be still. I'm gonna sit in stillness. I'm gonna learn to operate and flow and the reality Is, I'll tell you, one of the. One of the biggest techniques that's actually work. I'm actually ready to do this.

Like, coming in little soon as I get done with this event, I go back to Utah for a few weeks or a few days, and then I'm off. And that's the power of the sabbatical. Every time I have a major life shift of any kind, I historically will take. Historically will take a week or two weeks, and I'll go off somewhere by myself. No agenda, no nothing. I try to find some place that I feel like I'll get energized. And sure enough, literally, as soon as I get back to Utah on February 5th of 2025, I'm going to be jetting to New Zealand for three weeks by myself through February 5th to the 22nd.

Wow. Do you know, I have always wanted to go to New Zealand since I was a kid. I don't know why, but there was just something about New Zealand that. That is. If I could say I want to go any place, like you can go one place for vacation, I would say New Zealand. I've always wanted to go there. So I think that's amazing that you're doing that.

And I've had, like a lot of this past year and writing the book, a lot of intensity, a lot of resistance. And I just came. I was just like, you know what? I'm writing a book about joy through the journey. And I am. I'm not going to let the stress of that and launching an event and all the speaking engagements I'm going to do, I'm like, I am just going to trust. I am just going to be in alignment with, you know, really my integrity. I think it's important to have the integrity, but to know your priorities and so you can be in alignment. And I feel like when you are true to yourself and you stay centered, in alignment, the right things come and they come when they're supposed to come. And it doesn't have to be forced.

That's right.

You know, and I just feel like, too, Stephen, like, how we met. I was thinking about how we met. Was it Beau that introduced us?

Yeah, I think it was. Bo originally introduced us. Yep. And then we became fast friends on a podcast.

Yeah.

And I mean, it's awesome. Yeah.

As soon as I met you, I was like, oh, my gosh, I love this guy. I want. I want him in my life. And I'm like, you're not getting rid of me.

That's good.

Yeah. And it's. And it's just been. Ever since then, we have just. I felt. I feel like you're somebody I've known all my life, and even when we haven't talked for a while, we just pick up right where we left off.

We really do. We really do. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, what. I'm just curious, what are some of the things you do when you do you have, like, a morning ritual that you do to get you set up for success that you do every day? Because I know everybody does different things. I definitely have things that I do in the morning that I've had to go back to because I'd gotten into a place where I was all about, I got to hustle, I got to go.

Yeah.

And I was starting to skip things like my daily prayer, you know, and now I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no. I start my day, I got to get on my knees and pray.

Yeah.

Yeah. So are there things that you do on a daily basis to help you stay like that integrated entrepreneur?

Absolutely. Well, you know what's really funny is, like, I was just sharing with you before. It's changed. It used to be get up.

Basically take care, you know, do your bathroom things, get your pre workout hit. And I would go to the gym to do a podcast, get on treadmill, whatever, get my body moving, pump some iron, whatever. It's changed drastically in that my first 15 to 30 minutes of every day is actually sitting down on the living room sofa. In this particular house, I have a nice, you know, kind of modern fireplace. I crank the fire, turn the fireplace on, and I sit there with a journal. And I started this new journaling process called what I hear you say is.

So what I mean by that is a lot of times when we go to pray, we're talking to God. Sometimes when we go to meditate, we're listening for listening to God. But when you sit down with a journal pad and a pen and you actually say, lord, what I hear you say is. And you just wait in stillness for. I know. First time I did, it probably took me three, five, six minutes. And then I started hearing things. And literally, I would just. It's like I would write one word and then the next word would form itself. And before long, I'd have two or three pages. And some of it was information on how to continue to light myself. Some it was, you know, around the circumstances and situation I was navigating at the time. But it was all divine download. And there was always a sense of peace with. It was always a sense of purpose with It. So that's something I did. It's brand spanking new that I've been doing now for about four and a half months. I burned up three journals, really, a day after, and then started on November or started on September 21, 2020, before I actually. Actually, ironically, I learned. I kind of. The concept kind of came from our friend Henry. So I did. I was part of. I was a speaker at one of Henry's events, one of his virtual events. And then I actually decided to participate in one of his virtual events called his inner circle. And one of the things that he did during the inner circle was this meditation practice where you go into a meditation, you come out of the meditation, he says, free write. And I had done that maybe a few days earlier than this first time I'd done this. So I was like, man, let's. Okay, cool. All right. That's cool. So I'm going through a moment life where life is crazy stressful. I. A lot of uncertainty, a lot of surprises, a lot of things I didn't see coming. And I just sat there and I said, you know what? I'm gonna pour my heart out to God. This is me, right? I'm pouring my heart out. This is everything that's going on for me, Lord. You know, I don't know what's going on. This is me. Like, get this crap out of me. Like, how did this happen? Like, all this kind of stuff, right? And at the. At the very end, I had this soft little nudge, almost like I heard. Almost like I felt like there was something to be heard. So I literally got to the bottom of the page, I changed the font color to blue. And I said, lord, if you have anything to share with me, what is it? I kid you not. The very first time I did it, I could not stop writing.

Really.

I could not keep up with. It Was this. It was like in 68 days from now, your world. Your world would look completely different. It was. It was powerful. And the reason I say that is because I think most times we're not hearing God or we're not hearing the divine because we're not really listening. We're not real. We're not really. We're not being still. We're not being present. We are not activating that side of our divinity that comes from him to begin with, which is where all the good things. You know, our mutual friend. You mentioned. You brought up Ed a minute ago. You know, Ed's. Ed does all kinds of spiritual principles and techniques. Our mutual friend, John Catherine Gordon. They do all kinds of like. There's just something about being deeply rooted in a level of faith, whatever that is for you, that allows you to hear the divine. It's like that when you can hear the divine, what happens is you hear the truths about yourself and also the things that need to shift in yourself. And as things shift, you become more rooted and grounded. So I know it's a long winded answer to that, that one thing, but that is the number one thing that I've done in the last four months. That is absolutely. You mentioned earlier about how you've seen a change. Right. That is probably far the number one thing that I've probably done. That's like the most powerful thing. And then I go do my normal day, but my first five, five minutes to 30 minutes, I don't put a time frame on. I just sit there and write until I feel like there's nothing else to hear. And I kind of go from there.

I love that. And you know, you never know when those journals can turn into part of a book because I would never have imagined when I first met Johnny and we've been together almost 20 years and writing in my journal that that would later, years later, I never would have imagined that I would have written my first book, True Grit and Grace. And part of my journal entries are actually in that book. But I have had a journal out and you've inspired me to get back to actually handwriting because I've been doing a lot of typing and it doesn't come out quite the same.

Yeah.

But also this is wild, Stephen. I remember being. Being in North Carolina and we had a lot of resistance at that event, didn't we?

We did the first day or so. We did. Absolutely we.

We did. I mean there was just like, it was wild and it ended up being the most faith filled. Like I felt like the Holy Spirit was in that room. It was unbelievable. And what this reminded me of and I don't think, I think things happen for a reason. And I don't know if I ever told you this or not, but when, after the event, the event was done. I was in the shower and I'm just there and I'm so present and I am just.

Just came. The words came to me. God won. And I actually said it out loud. God won like because I felt like there was like the, the enemy was trying to stop this from going on because the enemy knew there was some faith filled people were going to be transformed and.

Was that your mastermind, ladies, man. Goodness gracious. They got on stage, dude. They, they transformed.

Like, on stage.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was powerful.

It was powerful. I mean, I just got goosebumps again. But do you know what?

Just now. So cool. Wow.

Well, yeah, this morning I, I, I had. When we, we've moved three times in the past couple of years, and it was driving me crazy. I couldn't find some necklaces, and it's not like me to lose, like, things that are super meaningful to me. And I found all of the necklaces that I was looking for. They had fallen underneath something, and so they were hidden. And the first necklace I pulled out was a necklace that one of my Mastermind members actually made for me. Had made for me. And at the Mastermind brunch the following day, I told him this story about as much resistance that came up. Like, what came? Like I heard the words God won. And so she made me a necklace that says God won. And I was just cleaning that because it had been, it's tarnished now, so I just cleaned it all off. And just this morning, and now we're having this conversation, you know, and so I think it does make such a huge difference. But I really do see that difference in you. And I think that from a lot of people that I've spoken with lately, for sure, it's like they're ending this, this culture of grind and hustle and get three hours of sleep and just keep going. I don't feel like that's what it means to be unstoppable. So explain your definition of how you are. You're Mr. Unstoppable. But what does that mean? Because to me, it doesn't mean that we don't fall or fail. It just means you get up again, you rise up again and again and again, however many times you need to. But what does it mean to you?

You know, I used to say that unstoppable is nothing more than consistently making progress. That used to be my easy answer. Right. Just to your point, you know, you fall over, you get back up. You fall over, you get back up. Recently, what I've discovered is in this new season of Life, and I think this is, I think again, I think this is a bit of a faith field energetic shift that the entire world is going through right now. You just mentioned it. To truly be unstoppable, you have to be in a place of surrender and trust and grounding. This being grounded. I believe that the only way you're going to, because essentially you're going to keep meeting resistance until you, you stop resisting the resistance. Right. Until you allow. Until you allow the. Until you allow for things to begin to take shape. So this allowing things to take shape now becomes the catalyst point for the next step. So you can. You can. You can be unstoppable with resistance, and you're constantly forcing or you can be unstoppable and flow, and you're constantly flowing like you're. You're. You're on a riverbank. So I kind of look at. It looks like your. Your principles are your riverbank, but yet the river itself is the flow. So you either be the dam that the flow goes up against, and eventually the water will pierce the rock, but it's going to take a lot longer than if you just let the dam water break and kind of let the water go. Does that make sense? I know it's a bit of an analogy, but that's. That is my. That's my new shift. What it means to be unstoppable is being able to operate and surrender trust and flow. And again, it's. It's easier said than done. But if you don't start now, working on the grounding techniques, working on the sabbatical, working on the journaling, working on the prayer, working. Being still and being. And getting this place of stillness, you can't really get grounded. And if you're not grounded, you're by definition in chaos. You can't be. One of. You can't be in both places at once.

Okay, so what would you say to somebody who's like, well, yeah, I'd like to take a. Some time off and go away, even for five days, but I can't take off work. I can't. I got to make the money. I got to pay the bills. What would you say to that?

Start small.

If you can carve out 30 minutes, it's 30 minutes. If you carve out an hour, carve out an hour. You know, you don't have to go to some exotic destination to actually have a meaningful sabbatical. In fact, the first set of sabbaticals ever did. I used to just drive from my house in Raleigh at the time, and I'd go to the coast for the day. Two hours there. I'd spend an hour and a half on the beach, sitting on the beach, listening to the ocean. And I would drive two hours back, right? Or I would go at one time when my grandfather was still living. Who's my, like, my spiritual guide mentor guy, you know, he just. He was. I could literally go sit at his feet and was like, it just ooze wisdom. You know, sometimes I'll just go sit with him for an hour. And I would feel. And I would, and I would feel better. So a sabbatical is nothing more than the departure of the mundane or the departure of what you know to be. What you know to be your daily life, your daily activity life. In this season of life, I'm fortunate enough that I can do some nicer things and go to some nicer places and experience the world. But, you know, at the same time, one of the things I told myself when I exited those businesses was I wanted to. Like I was originally, that was my original plan was I was going to travel the world, go, go three or four or five different destinations a year and like, kind of experience things. And then I actually got away from my own, my own goal. Like, I started pouring myself in another direction. It wasn't, it wasn't like, it wasn't beneficial, but it wasn't for me. It was for. It was for other people and trying to take care. And, you know, that's where you, you have to kind of understand what kind of programs you're running in the background at the subconscious level. Because when you can do that now you can shift and no, is it an hour over here? Is it two hours over here? Is a weekend getaway. I always say the replenishment plan has three pieces. Okay. Your replacement plan has. Where do you go, what do you do and who do you do it with? Okay. So when I do a replenishment plan, that's what I'm doing. So in this particular season of life, you know, where do I go and. All right, well, I'm going abroad, right. For one, New Zealand is one of those places that is a very spiritually inclined place. My friend Paul, and it's funny how my friend Paul and Henry off in the line on stuff, they're like your angels and your, and your ancestors are going to meet you there. Right. That's such a beautiful thing to hear. Right. And when I go there, I'm going to be essentially touring the island. So that's what I'm doing. And I'm taking a journal and a pen and leaving my, my tech devices behind for the first time ever.

Wow.

Like, I'm taking, I'm going to take, I'm going to take a burner phone. I won't be on social media. I won't be. I won't have access to my computer. And it's my first time ever where I'm going to take three weeks, if you will, and see what God does with me, because I feel like he's going. He wants to do some bigger things, not just for me, but with me to inspire more people. Like, I. And I believe, like, you and I, you and I share this because I believe you and I share this calling of serving people at scale. Right there, there's just certain energy sources that can only be poured out at scale. I mean, you're great. One to one. I'm great. You know, we work one to one. All. All that's great. But there's other things. There's. There's an energy exchange. You know this one from speaking. Right. When we. When we speak on zoom versus when we speak in a room. Yeah, right. There's an energy exchange. And if I can make my energy signature bigger, brighter, bolder, it'll do more good work, more light work, if you will, in the world, serve Jesus or God a whole lot better. And I think everybody has that capacity if they'll slow down and get more grounded.

I. I love that, and I love the way that you explain that. And.

I. I'm actually. I have to have another surgery, and the doctors want to do it right away. I'm like, yeah, number 35, but who's counting? You know, you're right. Yeah, but they. The, you know, the doctors wanted to do it right away, and I was like, oh, but no, I can't. I've got this book coming out. Then I'm like, they're like, okay, well, then after your book. And I'm like, oh, but no, I can't. I've already been paid to speak at these events. And then they're like, okay, well, after that, I'm like, oh, but no, I can't stop yet because I have my own annual event, the Unstoppable Success Summit.

That's right.

They're like, okay, well, after that, when is that done? And I'm like, April 28th. And they're like, okay, then we're going to do surgery, get it scheduled for May 1st. And I'm like, well, that's not fun. I want to go to New Zealand to slow down. I don't want to go to have a surgery to slow down. You know what I mean? But when I think of it, you just actually gave me a better way to look at this, Stephen, because I'm going to view it as, this surgery is going to help me so I can be a brighter light in the world and I can, you know, do more good in the world. So you really. Just. How you explained it in this way made me kind of look at this surgery in a different way because it's taking care of me. I'm going to get better, I'm going to get healthier. I'm going to have that energy field that's going to be even bigger. And so. Yeah, so thank you for that.

Of course. No, it's my pleasure. You know, it's, it's. I learned just as much. It's funny when you and I do these things, we always learn from each other every time. That's one of the, one of the reasons I love hanging out with you. I always call you sis because we, we do learn from each other. We do share a lot of common ground as far as what we're trying to do in the world, who we're trying to serve and all that kind of stuff. You know, one of the things I've been doing recently is trying to help entrepreneurs go from their five figure business to their eight figure. When I say eight figure, I don't mean 10 million. I mean like 30, 40, 50 million. So much so that I went ahead and put together a free resource for you guys@stevenscockins.com 8Figure, which is a free video series for developing an 8Figure mindset. Because I find that if I can help entrepreneurs do that now they have a give back mechanism for themselves to go and create more meaningful impact in the world along with becoming their integrated entrepreneur.

Oh yeah, I love that. And I'm going to have that link in the show notes so people can access that. Because I had to shift my mindset around money because money wasn't a big motivator for me. And then when I shifted it to. But wait, when I make more money, I can help more people. That's when everything started to change. And I feel like money is just kind of an exchange of, of energy. Really.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, if you think about it, you started off the show asking about this young. I assume it's a young lady. I could be wrong. But this person who is having a hard time even affording a book, right. There's a good chance that their mindset around money and how money operates in their life comes from a place that if I give up a dollar, that's a. I'll share one story. I've never shared this publicly and I don't know why I'm feeling led to share it now, but I'm sure it now I'm a big believer. So God has allowed me to steward a certain level of wealth at different stages. And he seems to allow Me to have like go through learning curves and growth curves and it continues to compound over time. When I was building that first business, I went to a church Service. I had $4.68 in my pocket. That's all I had. And when I went to go do this, this, this church service, he was, he was talking about this, this lady, this elderly woman who was going to the temple to put her, to put her all of her hard earned money like into, into the offering plate. Meanwhile, this Pharisee or Sadduce, he was going to go and give his 10%, right? And then it's a parable that Jesus talks about and he talks about like, well, who you think gave more, you know, the, the, the woman who gave all she had, which is next to nothing compared to the 10% of the Pharisee or only basically given just a little bit, right? So he hears this, he tells the story and I'm like, I'm feeling like a little convicted, the offering plates coming around me, you know, because this is like a, you know, traditional church offering plates coming around and I'm like.

The offering plate gets in front of me and I hear, and I hear, I hear, I hear this almost audibly. Do you trust me? Do you trust me? And I put the $4.68 in the offering plate. I kid you not. Monday morning around midday, I actually made $468 on something I didn't expect to make it on. And I'm a big believer that when you sow into something like that, notice it's a positioning of the heart, right? When you position the heart well, abundance always follows. So if you go back to the person you mentioned at the very beginning of the show about, well, how do I, how do I get recommended? Afford a book or afford a car, afford a house or afford to kind of level up and kind of have that experience, the answer is always going to be look at the condition of your heart, look at the position of your heart. Are you trying to get resource so you can just spend, grind, make own take, or are you looking at getting resource? You can compound, give and basically create abundance for other people. I've learned if you create abundance for other people, you can never have enough.

Oh, that's so powerful. And you know, I have, I've had, you know, actually today woke up and I was like, oh, I mean, I, I don't, I've never ever wanted to have credit card debt. So I haven't, I mean, I have my credit card and I pay it off. I don't care how much it is, I. It. I figure out a way to pay.

Sometimes it stays done. Oh, man, I got you. Yeah.

And especially when you're like, oh, dang, I didn't know that was due. Or you know, that annual renewal of an extra two, $3,000 is coming up. I'm like, oh, I didn't. I wasn't expecting that. And it was kind of one of those mornings where I started to get into this mindset of kind of worry and lack. And I was like, you know what? No, it will all work out. It will all work out. And I am not even kidding you. After that, I opened up my email and I had sold two tickets to my event, hadn't even really posted anything about it today, but all of a sudden I'm like, oh, wow, somebody bought a couple of tickets to my event. There you go.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? And so I think when you're in that place of trust, that it does. And I've, I've. And what you said, and. And your heart's in the right place, and you're doing it because you want to help other people achieve abundance and you want to do good in the world that somehow, some way, it. It works out.

Yeah. Source of. Yeah, I was sorry.

Trust.

Yeah, it really is. Well, and again, this is. I think this is one of the reasons why I'm. I'm coming at the marketplace now with this new message of becoming an integrated entrepreneur. Because entrepreneurs have the ability to create something out of nothing. Okay? So they have a vision, they got a goal, they got, literally, Henry and I and Tara and I are working on this new thing. It'll be public knowledge probably in a couple years, but it's. It's massive, right? It's. It's massive.

He has been telling me.

Yeah, I'll tell you more about it off air. I can't tell you on air.

Okay. He has been telling me. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. I know, it's big. Okay.

Yeah, it's huge. It's huge. And because I. I feel. I feel like God has now given me both the position of my heart, position of my mind, and the position of my impact to create a billion dollar business. So take that for what it's worth. There's. There's a challenge now in front of me, which is good. It's a good thing. But where I was going with this is the reason I'm coming at the marketplace with this specific message now in this day and time, this integration message is because I would not have those aspirations. I would not have the ideas. I would not have the things that are flowing to it and through it and around it. How did I spend so much time just trying to be grounded and integrated and, like, bringing these parts of myself in complete alignment? And again, I'm not saying, like, once you do it, you're done. Like, it's a matter of managing yourself right. Kind of like all day long almost. The source of all abundance is heavenly integration. The source of all abundance is heavenly integration. So no matter if it's a. You know, it's a job you want or a business you're trying to create or the next level of your business or financial resource or whatever, remember, you're the. You are the source. You are the source of all the abundance you will ever need or ever want. God has already given you the ability to have all of those things, to do all those things. He's just asking you to your point. Again, trust and surrender. And again, for someone like myself, who's a type A, go after it, get it, get it, Knock it down, bear down the. Break down the walls, like, get out of my way. It has been one of the hardest, but almost one of the most rewarding journeys I've been on recently, which is why I'm out here, like, kind of being a bit of an evangelist for it, because today's time, I think you'll get further faster by being integrated versus by being disjointed and forcing things through.

I completely agree. And, you know, a lot of what you're sharing is a lot of what I've learned, actually, in recovery. You know, I got sober when I was 2006, in 2016. And it talks a lot about just surrendering to the fact that you have something that, you know, your life is completely unmanageable. And my life had gotten unmanageable. But I constantly do work on myself, on my sobriety, and I'm working with my sponsor right now, and we're going through the 12 and 12. So there's the 12 steps of recovery. And right now, one of the things that we're working on, and we're going to, you know, we meet every week, and one of the things that we're working on is, like, how was my life unmanageable when I was in the disease of alcoholism? And how is my life unmanageable now? Which basically allows you to pause and think about what you can control and what you can't control.

Yeah.

And to be more into trust and. And surrender, which Seems kind of crazy when you want, you're like, but no, I gotta hang on to this. I gotta get it. And I gotta just share one more example of.

Please.

Even with my oldest daughter. So my oldest daughter's 29 and we, man, we butted. We would butt heads when she was growing. I mean, it was, I was a single mom for a long time and I didn't have a lot of things that I've learned now.

And I would engage and I would, you know, she would trigger me and I would engage and so we would butt heads and I would just hold on so tight. And then as she got older and she didn't call me back, I would just like call her back and why didn't she call on me? And I would just be grasping on so tight. And it was really when I just surrendered and I let go that now we have the best relationship. Because I'm not just trying to like, basically just hang on to her. I'm like, she is who she is and when she needs me, she, she knows I'm here. I love her unconditionally, but it changed our relationship when I just surrendered to what is and let go.

Yeah, yeah, no, that's, that's such a good point. It's interesting, you know, in doing, I wasn't as familiar with this work. I was aware of the work, but I haven't, I hadn't seen a lot of it and I didn't spend any time. But they have. There's something I think every, every listener, every viewer should, should tap into. And this is not something I, I have or whatever, but it's been something super beneficial. It's actually three, three parts. It's attachment style. So learning more about your personal attachment style, which then is followed by what drives your attachment style, which is typically your what, what some people call in the inner child. Believe it or not, most of us, when we're activated or triggered, we act like the 7 or 8 year old version of ourselves, not the 40 or 35 or whatever number it is. Then that's followed by the somatic work that causes to go back and love that inner child, that then actually eliminates the trigger and fixes the attachment style.

Okay, you're getting deep on me, Steve.

So that's why I want everybody. So I'll just say this one. I want everybody to go. And this is. Again, I don't, I don't have a book on this or nothing like that. This is work I've been doing personally last several months. Review attachment work. Okay. Just call it. There's a book called Attached. There's a book called.

Well, you start with Attached. Okay. A book called Attached. A book called Letting Go. And on top of that, essentially learn more about what's called Psychosomatic Healing, which deals with the programming of the subconscious mind. Nothing has been more successful for me outside of my faith than working through the psychosomatic side of healing, because essentially, that is the subcon. That's. That's the thing. That's the monkey brain you're talking about. Believe it or not, the monkey brain just thinks it's keeping you safe, and it doesn't realize it's actually causing you problems. And you can get. If you can get that worked out, you're on your way to doing some amazing stuff.

Yeah. And I mean, also, just. So I just spoke at an event in Arizona, and one of the most powerful things that happened, and I missed it because I was. I was actually recording a podcast in my hotel room with my friend Brian Boger, and I was like, like what? I missed that. And it was. I heard it was so powerful, was our friend Brooke Hemingway did, like, this inner. A guided inner child meditation.

Yeah.

And just, like, what would you say to that inner child? How would you love that inner child? You know? And so I want to. I want to learn more about that because I feel like I've done a lot of work, but I feel like when we get triggered there now, I used to get triggered, and. Oh, my goodness, it was just like. It would be. It would take a while, weeks through that, and I would kind of beat myself up about. I thought I'd healed from that. Now if I get triggered about something, I'm just like, okay, this is what it is.

Yeah.

This is how I was triggered. I've been through this before. I know how to work through it.

Yeah.

And so it is a constant, you know, learning process and ups and downs and. Are you doing yoga and tai chi is what I want to know.

I am actually doing yoga, and I have done tai chi in the past. Recently.

Again, this is all about. This is all about Steven discovering how to be more grounded.

Okay, so, okay, like. Okay, Stephen, you're wearing a lot of bracelets that you didn't used to wear.

Okay, well, I used to wear some.

Yeah, but you're wearing quite a few now. I did. I didn't notice that, by the way. I did notice it, and I want to know. I want to see some yoga poses when I see you next time. Okay.

All right. All right.

We're gonna Be doing a downward dog and some Tai chi.

Yep, I do that. I'm still working on the figure four thing. That doesn't knock me off the floor, but. Yeah, no, you got that covered for sure now. We'll definitely do that. Yeah.

Okay. So you have, you've been doing things.

Like I have been.

Okay.

Because again, it's, it's. Again, it's when you discover that your old way of being and your old way of doing is not giving you the results that you want to get, it's time to really start looking at other alternatives. Now, yoga hasn't changed my faith in Jesus or hasn't changed my understanding of energy. It actually has intensified it, ironically. I'm actually, I won't go too far down this rabbit hole, I promise. But I'm actually doing a quantitative line by line comparison of Jesus and the kingdom of heaven and what's known as the quantum field and all the energy sources that actually go through the body's nervous system and what yoga would call the chakras. Oh, and you can actually find the same system actually in the Bible, just called a different thing. So again, this is a whole new spiritual journey. Again, my, my anchor in Jesus has not changed. But yeah, there's a, there's a whole new level that's coming.

But you know what? I'm the same. I love Jesus, but I love learning about chakras, chalk or chakras too. And I'll tell you a really wild, wild story is I have a friend of mine back in LA and I went to her house and we were doing meditation and then she had all the stones, the colors of the chakras, and we laid on the floor and she was talking us through this meditation and we had the stones on the chakra points and she was going through. And then she got to the throat chakra. She was talking about this. And I promise you, it was wild. I didn't believe it myself. The. The stone popped off of my neck and I've opened my eyes and she stopped the meditation and she goes, oh, my gosh, I saw that. And I was like, I know, that was wild. That just like, yeah. He goes, whatever there, you know, blockage there was that. Your throat chakra is gone now. That energy there just popped it right off. So. So I love learning about all different. And I, I believe having an open mind. And one of the things I love about the 12 step program is it's not a religious thing, it's a spiritual thing. And I couldn't stay sober if I didn't have a spiritual connection to God. And I have things that remind me when I get in my own way and I'm all, you know, into self will that. No, I need to fully rely on God. I need to anchor myself to God. And our friend Connor told me something that. And I miss Connor. I haven't talked to him in a while.

Well, he's got a brand new baby, so he's busy. Camden was born just after. Just before Christmas.

Oh. Well, I. I've got to check in on him. But he told me something a long time ago that I, that I. I love. He said God doesn't waste pain.

No, he does not. He does not. It's. I got. So I got to give you this one liner. I can't help myself. Remember that. Remember that I told you I did that first journal session that was on the computer because I just happened to be a computer. When I changed the font color. The beginning of the show, we talked about that. There was a line in there where he's talking and of course, I'm just trying to keep up. Like I, I let Henry. This is our mutual friend Henry's actually read it and it's mind blowing. At some point in time, I'll share it with you and let you read it, but.

He says, do not underestimate the power of small beginnings and painful transitions.

Painful transitions. Pretty much every major growth spurt you will ever have in your life is going to be on the other side of a painful transition. No problem.

I'm about to have some.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. That's what you're telling me right now, and it's okay.

Well, and here's the thing again. Resistance says, I don't want pain, I don't want pain. I don't want pain. I don't want pain. I don't want pain. I don't want pain, I don't want pain. Flow says the quicker the, the pain comes, the quicker the pain goes. Right? So it's, it's, it's a removal of the resistance and the blockage. Right? But painful transitions create catapulted magnification of your growth pattern, right? So it's, it's what causes the growth. You, the books you've written, the stages you've been on, all of that stuff came out of an auto accident, right? You, you survived it, you thrived through it. You built on it, you grew from it.

You.

That's what people don't understand. Everything that they really want or everything that we want. Like, I, I'm, you know, I, I have certain desires of my heart that I really want in this stage in life. Right. Because I'm, I'm, in theory, I can go and do and whatever I want, you know, for the most part. And I have other things in my life that I want. Right. I also have to realize that there's things that have to be worked on to, in order to quote, unquote, get what you deserve or acquire what you deserve or call in what you deserve or whatever words you want to use. Manifestation, abundance. I don't. It's that it is an energetic exchange and it's on the other side. It's on the other side of the thing you're resisting most. So as soon as you can get. As soon as you can identify where the. Our buddy Henry taught me this actually. As soon as you can identify the. Where the resistance is now you know where to work on. That's where you go to do the work, you know. So anyway, I don't need to go.

Off on a tangent, but that, No, I love that.

That keyed that off of my brain. Sorry.

I love that. And you know what, Stephen? I could, I could talk to you all day long. I mean, I, I, I just, I love you. This has been so helpful for me. It's. I'm sure everybody that's listening is like, yes, and taking notes and gonna make some changes into things that they do every single day. But it's been very helpful for me. And you've been a. You've been a blessing to me. I mean, I'm getting emotional. You've been such a blessing to me in my life. I just, I'm so grateful. There are not many, if any, people in the world like you. You, you're a rare breed, Stephen.

Thank you.

I love you.

Thank you.

Do you have anything that you. Before we leave and I'll let. I wanted everybody to have the links to where they can.

Sure.

You know, take the eight figure mindset makeover. I want them to get that and know where to find you. But do you have any closing statements or anything? One last message you want people to know about?

Ah, it's always such a. I'll tell you what, get what's on my. What I feel like God is asking me to share. God is asking me to share. What you think is.

What you think is holding you back is not actually what's holding you back. It's actually the inside of you thing that's holding you back.

It's the lack.

It's the inside of you thing that's holding you back. So, for example, if you think you're lacking money, it's not the lack of money, it's the perception of money, how money is utilized.

You're looking for wellness, right? It's not the wellness piece. It's how you're looking at how wellness occurs in your body. And for some reason, I'm just seeing more evidence of this day after day after day that this is more and more true. And I'm on this big quest right now for truth. Like, what is true? What is truth? And I think when you go on a quest for truth, you're going to find the answers in many cases, possibly on the things that you've been avoiding. Right. So Connor ironically mentioned Connor. I told him a long time ago, he's like, you know, how do I do this? How do I do that? I'm like, do the hard work first. The very thing that you're most scared of that you don't want to do. Go do that thing first, and everything behind that will get easier.

That's what I always say, Steven. I'm like, do the hard thing first, and then life gets easier. But if you're taking the easy way out, it's going to continue to be hard, hard, or you're going to be filled with regret. And that's something that I really try to explain to people, too. Like, I had a client of mine who wanted to give up. She, you know, has these big goals and dreams, but was trying it for a year, and it wasn't getting her to where exactly where she wanted to go. And I was like, I'm still trying. I'm not exactly. It's not like I. Nate, I'm like, okay, I'm here if I think I'm here.

Yeah. Life, great deception is that there's a destination. There's no such thing as a destination. Maybe once you get to heaven, you're going to do assignment or something like that. That's about it.

Yeah. Yeah. But no, I'm still trying and still growing and still. And I think that's what makes life so amazing, is that you. I love learning and.

And, you know, I've had Johnny sometimes say, when is enough enough? And I'm like, well, I love what I do, and I want to constantly learn and grow. And so I sure love learning and growing with you, Steven. I just feel like we've been through a lot and you're the kind of friend that we can just hop on the phone and just, you know, anytime, tell it like it is.

And anytime yeah, anytime.

Yeah, well, tell people where they can find you before you go off to New Zealand or even if you're in New Zealand and they want to like, okay, I know he's off the grid right now, but I still want to get a hold of this eight figure mindset makeover. How can they do that?

Well, obviously it's stevenscoggins.com is the easiest. That's a Steamo PH and Scoggins is S C O G G I s. You know, it's funny, I've recently started putting out more content on Instagram and TikTok related to the integrated entrepreneur concept, and it's getting a lot of really great feedback. So I want to invite folks to check that out if they want to take advantage of the mindset makeover. It's just stevenscockins.com backslash the number eight figure, no hyphens, no underscores, no nothing. Just eight figure. And that'll get, that'll help them kind of get started and they can kind of get to know me a little bit and I can get to know them a little bit. And yeah, my team's going to be handling things while I'm gone, so I won't be. I won't look like I'm off grid, but I'm off grid, so.

Okay. Well, hey, I am so happy for you that you're doing this and I do hope you take some pictures, though, because I want to see pictures.

I will. I am. I am going to take a phone that my mom, my dad, and my COO have access to during the trip, but I've totally politely. Guys, this is for emergencies only. I'm. I'm on it. I'm on it. I know I'm going there on a journey like I instinctively know it, which is kind of cool. And I'll be moving back to North Carolina pretty soon and building a property called Safe Haven. So it's going to be. We're getting a lot of really cool stuff coming.

Oh, I cannot wait. You do everything top notch and so I can't wait to hear more about that. But thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your wisdom and I hope to be sharing the stage with you again.

Let's, let's, let's go. Yeah. It's time. Thank you so much for having me. Seriously. Thank you.

Thank you. And you guys, thank you so much for tuning into the show. I really, really appreciate you listening and sharing the show with others that you think need to hear this message. It's because of you that you've made this Show a top 1% podcast. So thanks for tuning in and we will see you next week.