The SECRET To A Happy Life IS THIS! (Find Happiness Today)| Leon Logothetis

Step is you don't have to like start with a massive thing, right?

Yeah, yeah, I've done that. Yeah.

You start with something small and if that person can handle that something small, you keep on going until you get, until it gets to that point where you shared a lot. Because a lot of people are just lost. They're stuck. They can't, they can't. They're not even aware that they're not available to you. They think they are, but they're not.

Welcome to stuck to Unstoppable, where we interview the world's foremost thought leaders to break things down in order to help you get past your hurts, habits and hangups and finally level up and move forward. I'm your host, Stephen Scoggins. Now let's go ahead and get into today's guest and our featured conversation. You're not going to want to miss it. Recently I was joined via Instagram live with an extra special guest and whom I now consider a mentor and a friend. He's a world renowned motivational speaker, a global adventurer, a best selling author and, and a former broker who saw how true kindness can actually create a better world for everybody involved if everyone just tried. And as a result, he became the creator and the host of Netflix's hit show, the Kindness Diaries and now spends most of his time producing media in all forms in order to transform hearts, minds and souls from the inside out. Guys, help me welcome Leon Lagarthetis. Hey, Leon. How are you doing, my friend?

I'm good. How are you?

Good, man. I'm excited, man. I'll tell you what, I've been showing my team some of your work today and all the things that you've done. And I'm telling you what, man, it's just. It's beautiful. It really is.

Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah, I was just curious, man. How did you even get started, you know, with the Kindness Diaries and kind of this passionate love for kindness in general? I mean, where did that even come from?

Well, as a kid, I was.

I felt very alone. I felt very disconnected from many, for many, whether it was at school or at home. And.

I had this teacher who every day would look at me in the eyes and she would say to me, I believe in you. Yeah. And she made me feel like I had value. So it was like I was living two lives. One was the broken life and the other was the life of being held up high by this lady.

And it always stayed with me that I. That there was two ways to live. One was the dark side, one was the light side. Right. I ended up being a broker in London, and.

I had everything on the outside, but nothing on the inside. You wouldn't want anything I had on the inside.

Yeah.

And I stumbled across the movie the Motorcycle Diaries, which. Which is a romanticized version of Che Guevara. Traveling around the world, South America, relying on kindness. And.

Something happened to me after watching that movie. I realized there was another way to live.

Yeah.

I could go out into the world and connect with people, be inspired by people, and ultimately do what that teacher did for me. Yeah. Right.

So that's really kind of the short version of how it kind of all began.

What's funny, you know, my wife and I were. Began watching the Kindness Diaries. Gosh, it was probably this time last year. We started one episode. The next thing you know, a week had gone by, and we finally got to the end of season two, begging for season three.

To be honest.

That's very sweet. We're working on season three. Hopefully it'll come out sometime next year. I mean, you know, Covid kind of caused some issues. It would have come out earlier, but, you know, we're working on it.

Yeah. I mean, it's beautiful. You know, it's funny, there was one episode specifically that really touched me. I believe his name was Cleveland Armory or Amory. Was a homeless man that invited you after. You were obviously, you were saying, hey, look, you know, I'd like to stay with you tonight. He's like, well, hey, man, I'm homeless. You know? And then not only did he give you a bed, not only give you food, not only to give you clothes, but the man's soul was so beautiful. And I resonate with that because I was homeless for some time before I started this part of my life. And it's. Sorry, I'm actually.

Some memories coming back.

It's important to have people believe in you like that. And I know he recently passed, and I know that. I know that his memory is living on just sheerly from that episode. What touched you so much about working with him and actually spending time with him?

Yeah, I mean, you know, his name was Tony. And for the people on the Instagram Live, basically, I would go up to people and I would say, you know, can I stay in your house tonight? After talking to them for a little bit. And I was in Pittsburgh, and I went up to this chap. He didn't look homeless at all. Right. He looked like me and you. And I said to him, can I stay in your house tonight? And he goes, look, I'm really sorry, but I'm homeless, and I'm like, okay, feel a bit ashamed. But I just asked a homeless man stay in his house, right? Yeah. About to walk off, and he turns around, he says, well, you know what? If you want, you can stay with me tonight. I'll feed you, I'll protect you, and I'll give you some clothes. And there was. Every fiber of my being was like, leon, my good friend, you're not staying on the streets of Pittsburgh tonight. But there was that little counterintuitive voice that said, leon, buddy, you are staying on the streets of Pittsburgh tonight. And that's exactly what happened. And he taught me some very profound lessons. One was that kindness is free.

Yeah.

If a homeless man with nothing can be kind, then I have no excuse, and neither do you.

That's right again.

No one's perfect. Am I always kind? No. Believe it or not, I'm human. I make mistakes. I wake up angry. I have all these things that everyone has, right?

Yeah, for sure.

But as long as we make a commitment to show up moment to moment, with as much love as we can, then we're good. And the second thing he taught me was that.

The truest of wealth is not in our wallets, it is in our hearts. Now, again, does that mean I'm saying give away all your money? No, of course not. Money is important, right. In the world we live in. But the truest of wealth comes from how we share this. And Tony did that. And again, was Tony perfect? Of course he wasn't. No one's perfect. It's not like a Hollywood story where there's perfection. There was no perfection. And when he died. He died a couple of weeks ago of a heart attack.

I felt honored that I was part of his life, right? And I made a commitment, which I made a long time ago. But I reinvigorated my commitment, which was to spread his message, Right? Which is really a universal message. It's my message. It's your message. It's the Dalai Lama's message. It's Buddha's message. It's just the message of showing up with as much compassion, as much empathy, as much goodness as. As you possibly can without making yourself feel like you have to do it perfectly. I remember I gave a speech at a school. I do a lot of school speeches. And this kid comes up to me and puts his hand up in the auditorium, and he says, Mr. Leon, have you ever been mean? And my first reaction inside my head was like, oh, my God, I'm going to lie to the Child. I'm going to lie to the child. And then my external voice was like, no, my internal voice. You're not going to lie to the child. You can tell the child the truth. Like, yeah, of course I've been mean. Of course I've been mean. It's just like you. Like I said earlier, I'm human. There is no perfection. Tony wasn't perfect, but he was a man who epitomized how even when you're on the floor.

Yeah.

Literally on the floor. Right. You can still choose to show up with as much compassion and love as you possibly can.

Mmm. That's good. Yeah. It was one of my. Like I said, it was one of my favorite, favorite episodes. You know, each less. Each one of the series teaches you something different about yourself, about how you're relating to the world and about kindness in general. I know one of the things. And maybe you can speak to this. I'm not sure if you've had this before, but my wife and I love helping people.

Just.

That is a general thumb.

At the same time, we also have a really hard time receiving kindness. Like, we're really good about giving kindness and trying to be kind to people and help people, but when someone tries to give to us, we almost don't know what to do with that. So is there something around the flip side of kindness that maybe these experiences have taught you?

Look, I would go so far as to say that the reason why it's easy to give kindness as opposed to receiving it is because when you're giving, you're not as vulnerable as when you receive.

Yeah.

So it's like you're vulnerable. You're like, oh, is this person taking advantage of me? Or whatever that vulnerability is. So when you sink deeper into that vulnerability.

You kind of open up your heart that little bit more. And that's why in the shows, I can't accept money, because the most important thing is not me giving you money or you giving me money, because that's easy. Here's $10.

Harder to give of your. Of your presence. It's harder to give of your. Of your sense of self. It's much harder to do that than it is to give money. So I would say it's about the issue of vulnerability. Yeah. Well, what do you.

I mean, when it comes down to it, I mean, one of the things that I see a lot in the people that we help on our side and what we've been working through and things we've been building are it's not that people really don't want to be kind or doesn't seem like they're almost fearful of being kind. It's almost like they're. They're where they come from, where they've been through. That's like every time they've been kind, they've kind of been bitten. How are you? I mean, how have you been able to kind of, like, work through that and, like, you know, you don't say like. That's got to be a challenge.

I know exactly what you're saying. So.

Muhammad Ali, right? A good man, a kind man, a man of service. Not a perfect man. No one is. Would you mess with Muhammad Ali?

No.

Okay, so that's my point, right? You can be kind and you can retain your strength. You do not have to be kind. Like, if you are kind to someone and you allow them to walk away over you, you are not being kind to yourself.

Yeah.

Right. So. So be like Muhammad Ali and don't let anyone mess with you.

But at the same time, live to the. To the best of your ability with your heart as wide open as you can. Yeah, that's. It's. It's about boundaries. You have to have boundaries. You don't let anyone, any. I mean, I don't think you do, but just for anyone else.

Oh, no. I'm guilty of letting people run over me. That took me a while to set up the boundaries. It took a while.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Well, you were that guy.

That's right.

And even if you're still that guy, that's okay, too. You just find your way out of it slowly, slowly, slowly.

Yeah. You know what's funny thing is one of the most transformational things that I've seen recently, and it carries a lot through your work. You know, both of your books, the TV show, all this kind of stuff is this. This element of being vulnerable to share your pain. I know it's something you believe in desperately is like, hey, it's okay to share your pain. Like, what? Could you tell us and teach us about that a little bit, you know, from your perspective and all the experiences that you've had about sharing your pain. Because, I mean, as you watch the show and you read the stories, I mean, there are people with a lot of pain that also have huge hearts that take you in their homes and all kinds of stuff.

Yeah. I mean, if you don't share your pain, it will consume you. And if it consumes you, it will destroy you.

Now, I am not suggesting you go out into the world and share your pain with people that are not safe.

That's a good point.

Yes. It is not healthy to do that. You have to share your pain with someone who is safe.

And one could argue, be like, oh, well, I don't have anyone who's safe. If that's the case, there's always someone, like, if there's anyone on this. On this Instagram Live that has no one that they can share their pain with, they can send me an Instagram message and they can share it with me.

Amen.

Me, too. Yeah. You need to find a witness to your humanity, because when you find a witness to your humanity, it gives you the ability. It's like a mirror, you know, it's like, oh, okay, I exist and my pain is okay, or my joy is okay. And that mirror is really what I wanted the Kindness Diaries to be. It's a mirror to show people the goodness in the world.

Yes.

This isn't a Pollyannish kind of thing where I say, oh, just be like this.

Yeah.

And everything will be fine. No, don't be like this. Everything will be fine because there are people out there that will take you to the cleanest.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

So you just got to find the right people, surround yourself. Even if it's just one person, even if it's just a journal, you journal, and you let it all out, and your journal will see you.

It's good stuff, man. I love it.

Yeah.

The other thing that's, you know, I'm an entrepreneur, so I've been very blessed and fortunate to get to a place where I own several companies, try to go back and essentially do what one of the greatest purposes in life that I think exists, which is serving the person you used to be. Everything that I do is about helping the person I used to be, you know, because I feel like I'm uniquely qualified to express that level of sincerity and empathy and genuine, you know, genuine concern for that area. You know, but going through all of that, as you begin to look through those journeys, how difficult is it to actually pull apart who's safe and who's not safe? What are some of the techniques or some ideas maybe to kind of filter those people in so you're, you know, so you can actually get back to serving and showing kindness, but also not get taken to the cleaners? I mean, are some baby steps, maybe?

Yeah. I mean, look, one of the most important things, to follow your intuition. Right? And, you know, there are people who are more in tune with their intuition than others. Okay. And. But our intuition never leaves us as an example, if you feel like you're about to share something with someone and you just feel it says, there's a voice, don't do it. Right, yeah. Listen to that voice. Right. You'll find someone else. Just keep going. Just keep going. If it's. You're going to share with someone that whenever you share, they have a go at you, don't do it. Yeah, okay.

I would say that's the easiest way in, whereby you just follow that voice and when it says, don't do it, don't do it. And when you feel like you can share. And also another little baby step is you don't have to, like, start with a massive.

Right, yeah, yeah, I've done that. Yeah, yeah.

You start with something small, and if that person can handle that something small, you keep on going until you get. Until it gets to that point where you shared a lot. Because a lot of people are just lost. They're stuck. Yeah, they can't. They can't. They're not even aware that they're not available to you. They think they are, but they're not. And when someone. Someone tries to, like, kind of guide you by giving you advice, advice, advice, advice. Even though that's what I'm doing right now. But you are the listening, the ability to listen, just to like, to be.

And to hold space.

Look, I've been doing it for 20 years, right? I started traveling, I read hundreds books. I did crazy things. So I'm able to kind of talk about holding space. But someone would maybe think to themselves, what the hell is he talking about? What does holding space mean? Well, to me, holding space is when someone's speaking. Just sit there and listen.

Yeah, yeah.

Just listen to them. Let it go. Let it be. Let them share it. Don't give them advice and just hold it and hold space for them.

Do you find it's easier to. When. Especially when you're holding space? Obviously, listening is an important skill. You know, one of the things that I've been trying to share with people is, you know, listen in such a way that you can actually tell them what they just said.

Yes, yes. So you listen and then you. It's a kind of. I don't want to call it a therapy trick, but you listen to the person and then you repeat. So this is what I heard you say, because. And then they'll say yes or they'll say no. What are you talking about? Were you listening?

Yeah.

So it's kind of like it's a muscle that you. It's. It's a muscle that you kind of get used to.

Well, nothing is one of the things I wanted to bring up too, because I think far too many people, you know, I've got, you know, I even have team members here, a couple of my companies that, you know, they're. They say, I'm not a great listener. I'm never gonna be a great listener. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm just slow down, take a. Take a moment, pause. Do your best not to just listen to the words, but listen to the intent. You know, take a. Take a quick second to break it down in such a way that you can not only repeat it back to them, but also repeat it back to them with sincerity, that you are attentive in the moment. Because I find that people all share really three needs, right? I want to be seen, I want to be valued, and I want to be heard, you know, and people that want to be seen, valued, and heard. Those three. Those three needs. If you can do that, then connection is like, super easy. The problem is, in order to be seen, valued, and heard, you have to slow down to do it. I mean, that's one of the things I see you do so well. A lot of, especially in the kindness diary specifically, is you make it a point. I mean, a very, very focused point to make sure they're seen, they're valued, and they're heard, you know, and as such, that connection, a lot of times open ups opportunities for you to get to know them deeper, but also helps you as you're circumventing the globe again.

Because once around is not good enough.

Yeah, I mean, look, you know, I think we all have felt unseen in our lives at some point, and hopefully some of us have felt, seen, and we know the difference and we know the fuel that it gives us when we feel seen. So I always say that the greatest fuel you can give another human being is to see them. That's. That's really it. That's it.

What does seeing them look like, in your words, when you're. When you. When you. When you're putting that into perspective?

Many of us see with our eyes, few of us see with our hearts. Right. It's like a. Like I can sit here and have a conversation with you.

Whereby you don't feel like I'm fully with you.

Yeah.

And I can sit here and have a conversation with you whereby you feel that I am fully with you.

Yeah, true.

It's a kind of going into your heart, going down from here to here, slowing down, slowing everything down. And being like Neo in the Matrix where he's like.

That'S. That. That's basically. And taking that focus.

Yeah.

And putting the mirror to you so you see it and you feel it too, which gives you the ability to be who you have always dreamt of being.

Yeah. That's good. You know, I'm curious to know, you know, when it comes to kindness, obviously.

You have become. Now, this is outside looking in. I know how you. I know. I know you're gonna. You're gonna throw more humility at me. I know that's gonna come. Right. But you.

You have.

You have managed to master illustrating kindness to other people. That in a roundabout way seems like it's your calling.

Right. It's.

It's your. It's your life impact. It's the legacy that's gonna outlive you.

Right.

There's lives that you've met and all those different episodes, all the different places you traveled, all the different people you've spoken to that didn't necessarily make it on camera, per se.

Right.

All of them have taught you beautiful things about kindness. But my question, I guess, comes down to, did it originate searching for kindness for yourself? You know, because you go back to the moments when you were. You were fighting depression and all that kind of stuff before you kind of made this entire switch. Were you looking for that in yourself first that taught you how to identify in other people? Or do you think it's an innate sense that. That you've had, they just need to be cultivated?

I think it's a bit of both. I think it was innate. I mean, look, it's innate in all of us, but some of us never see it, Right? Yeah. But I think that I was so depressed. I was so broken. I felt so alone. I had this witness that witnessed me, so I felt like I had value.

Yeah.

And I wanted to kind of. It was like a little seed. She planted a seed. It's like now being. Being made into, like, a tree. Let's say.

I've always been a seeker. I wanted to seek, and I didn't want it. I don't want things to be about money.

Yeah.

I'm not sitting here saying money is important. Clearly, it is important. Right. But if all you do is have money, then I would say you're not very rich.

Yeah.

Yeah. If you have money and God consciousness, then you're the richest man in the world, right?

Yeah.

But, yeah, it was. It was kind of like a. I don't know. I came in with this desire to.

To connect with this desire to understand with this desire to understand my being and your being in the process.

Yeah, I just, I just haven't seen anything like it. I mean, it was.

My wife and I actually sat around after the fact, after watching several episodes and found ourselves reflecting not just in the kindness that we've been trying to give, but also in the way that we were giving it. You know, is. I thought for a long time, especially in my own family, because I grew up in a pretty difficult household back in the day, that as long as I provided and I gave money, then everything, then I've done my part. And then I learned it. But then I learned that it's not income as much as it is impact. And then I learned that if I chased impact over income, that income normally followed anyway. Yes, it spins it on its head.

It certainly does. And it is in many ways the easiest thing to go into your pocket and take out a few dollars and like here. Yeah, but what about having a connection with that human being? What about making that person feel like.

They have a sense of their own importance?

Yeah.

And you can do that by giving your presence. And again, the version of Leon that you are seeing now is the best version of Leon. Right. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, if you caught me yesterday, you'd be like, is this the same person? Right. But you know, it's like you're always, you're always training. Like, sometimes you'll train and you'll be like a master. You'll be in a competition. Right. And you'll be like doing really good things and then you'll find yourself. I can't bother to train. I'm going to go to McDonald's instead. Right?

Yeah.

So it's, it's, there's no, I keep on saying this, but there is no perfection.

Yeah. What if you're the person who's, who's exhibited kindness over and over again to people and it's, it's been. You're almost exhausted giving kindness and it's not being returned in any way, shape or form. How do you keep fighting through that? How do you keep. How do you keep showing love? It seems like it. The easiest way would be somewhere along the lines of. No, it's about, it's not about you to begin with. But I don't know if that's, that's the case.

I mean, you know, there'll be times when maybe you'll have a moment and you won't be particularly kind.

Yeah.

But it's, it's that moment to moment mentality. It's that Commitment. There's a commitment. I have to show up with as much goodness as I can. Sometimes I fail in that commitment. Right. But many of us are committed to how much money we have. Many of us are committed to our families, our work. But how many of us are committed to how we show up as human beings?

Yeah.

Right. Very few. Yeah. And that's really all I'm saying. There is a commitment that we need to make to show up moment to moment with as much Dalai Lama ness in our system as we can. Right?

Yeah. And you've been around some pretty beautiful people as far as instructors to help you through this process as well and learning from as many people. I think that's one of the things that you mentioned a second ago about being a seeker. One of the things I appreciate most is the seeking. I too am a seeker. I seem like constantly, not necessarily looking for the next thing, but I'm constantly looking to understand the thing that is there, if that makes any sense in that learning phase. I'd like to pivot, if you don't mind, into more of the business sector because one thing I think this entire. So one thing I think the world needs more of, especially in. Because we spend about 80% of our time in a workplace environment. Most of people, most of countries do. Okay. We, we have to go to provide for our families and stuff like that. One of the places that I see kindness lacking the most oftentimes is actually in the workplace. Have you ever had to consider like how. How kindness can be shaped in a business environment or a workplace environment at all?

Look, it is definitely a challenge at times, specifically in this kind of success orientated world that we live in. Am I saying that it's easy to be kind in a business setting? Not necessarily. But I am saying that there are people on the spectrum of kindness in business. One person over here that's a complete asshole and someone over here that shows up with love in their heart. And maybe there's a middle ground. You know, I'm sure you'll find many successful people here and unfortunately, many successful people here. Yeah, it's.

By the way.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, so am I. Right? So I. So there's a, there's a way of showing up. And it's not like the person that you see in front of you now is who I am.

Yeah.

It's just the best version of myself. Yeah. Right. So that doesn't mean that the worst version of myself doesn't still have these, these traits that I'm sharing with you now. It does it is my essence. And when your essence is what it is, you will bring that into business. You will bring that into all areas of your life. If your essence is to be an asshole for whatever reason, maybe, you know, you grew up in a home where your parents were assholes. I don't know, maybe you just born an asshole. I don't know.

You're going to be both.

Yeah, exactly. You're going to come into your work with that essence. So it's about going to the gym, right, and becoming the essence of the Dalai Lama. Yeah, right.

Yeah. You know, it's funny, when I first started my company, I mean, it's been, it's been almost 20 years ago, the first one, the flagship, if you will, that now provides me opportunity to kind of do some more fun and more impactful things nowadays. You know, I did so sleeping in a car and all that kind of stuff. But what really kind of bit me in the butt is about four to five years in, I had this very interesting epiphany is that I spent all that time building a business without building myself. And because I didn't build myself, I wasn't aware of myself. Because I wasn't aware of myself, I couldn't be the best version of myself. Which means most people got the leftovers of myself. I know that's a lot of myself, but I think I did it okay kind of thing, you know. And I remember this moment, I was, I had a team member at the time, company was much smaller than. And she was. We. One of the things that I used or one of the things that I do is I offer profit sharing to my team. Right. So if any of these companies win, they, they get to share in the, in the reward of that. Because I'm looking for commitment. I want people to believe that, you know, they, they, they're kind of quasi owners as well and things of that nature. Well, I did. It dawned on me that I had a very blatant asshole button, for a lack of a better word that I wasn't even aware of. Because this qualifier said, hey, look, if you want to qualify for profit sharing, you have to go through this financial principles course. Because if I'm going to give you free money, Right. Well, you know, in essence, free money, I want to make sure that you're going to be as wise as you possibly can, but you know, get out of debt, you know, pay off that student loan, go do this kind of thing. And as I was doing that, I wasn't even thinking about it. And I was Literally unloading boxes of this financial kit onto the counter. And she said, hey, look, my husband and I are both working, you know, nights and stuff like that. We just had a baby. We can't do the profit sharing thing or we can't do the, the financial class. I'm like, okay, well.

All right, let's. Okay, whatever. She said, well, can I, can I do. Can we still do profit sharing? And I just did no. And just went back to what I was doing, and out of the corner of my eye or my ear, my eye hurts, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What just happened? What just happened? You know? And then she says, well, you know, we just. It means a lot. We need the extra money and da, da, da, da, and we don't have a babysitter. And I said, you know what? I probably should have slowed down enough time in. Enough time to tell you that I was actually already planning on providing babysitting services for everybody. I. I was going to hire sitters to come into the building and watch the kids as the adults went through the financial class.

I didn't have the state of mind and presence, the presentness of the moment to just slow down and actually just hear what she was having to say. Had I done that, it could have been a beautiful kindness moment instead of a train wreck followed by, hey, I need to show you kindness because I really screwed the pooch here, I'm so sorry kind of thing, you know?

Yeah.

And that's, I mean, that's a real business example, right?

Yeah, I get it, I get it. Have you.

Yeah, I mean, it's. Have you ever done meditation?

Yes, I pray and meditate often.

Okay, great. So that by doing meditation, you get that space. Right. So the more meditation you do, like the gurus, right? They're like. With this space. Yeah, yeah, you and I were like this. But still, it's better than that.

Yeah, that's very true. It's holding everything with an open hand, right? Yeah, not so close fisted. Well, what, you know, so you've. I know you've done speaking with kids, but you've also done speaking in businesses and things of that nature. Like, what are your. What are a couple of your favorite experiences dealing with. With speaking to businesses? What. I mean, what are the aha moments that you. That you seem to. That, well, that they seem to walk away with?

The greatest aha moment I had with the speeches was Maya Angelou once said that people never remember what you say to them. They always remember how you make them feel.

So prior to Covid because now it's much more difficult to do. I would do a lot of experiential stuff to make people feel. It wasn't just about one man sitting on stage speaking at you. It was about bringing people on stage. It was about doing experiments. It was about going into the stage. Stage into the. Into the crowd. It was. That is the greatest thing.

It's.

I would say that the greatest speakers, they touch you.

Yeah.

Right here. And that's what you remember. You don't. I mean, I don't even remember half of what I say, but when I.

Say when I'm speaking as well on stage.

Yeah.

I always walk off like, what did I just say? Oh, that was really good. What is that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the feeling. It's making them. Making them connect with their. With their essence.

Yeah. That's beautiful. All right, so. Fun question for you.

Okay.

All right, so you've had Kindness one, which is your motorcycle.

Yeah.

Kindness two, which was the Beetle.

Yeah.

Are we gonna see a Kindness three?

Kindness three is gonna be a yellow submarine.

Are you serious? Are you messing?

I'm joking, man.

They're gonna make the Beatles so proud.

Yeah. It's probably going to be a VW camper van.

Okay.

But we're not sure yet. Because of COVID things have become a little bit more challenging. So I may have to, you know, at times stay in the van, but we'll see.

Okay, that's fair. That's fair. You got safety first, right, for everybody. Is this going to be yellow?

Absolutely.

It's got to be bright yellow, right?

It will be.

Yeah. Go ahead.

Did you ever watch the movie Chitty Chitty Bang Bang?

I did when I was younger. I sure did.

Okay. So that, to me, is kind of what inspired me to do the kindness 1 and 2 and 3 and all this kind of stuff, because I wanted them to be a.

I wanted them to be like a character.

Yeah.

So that's.

That's why I asked, because, you know, I saw Kindness one. I saw Kindness two. I saw you. I saw you try to sleep in both of them. One made it work out very well. One was a bit easier than the other.

Yes. Kindness 2 was much easier. It wasn't super comfortable, but Kindness 1 was a disaster.

Well, my wife, who's a beautiful person, beautiful soul, beautiful woman, she's actually watching Saskogen's Endowarrior. That's my wife there.

Yellow.

Yeah. There she is. Ms. Beautiful there. She. We absolutely love the color yellow. She has been an outspoken endometriosis spokesperson for a while. And one of the reasons that yellow is so important is because when we first met, we were dating, running around all over the place and traveling and stuff like that. Unfortunately, her endometriosis got so bad, a lot of days, she. It's hard for her to leave the house, you know, so there's mobility, things like that. And yellow always speaks to color. So you get. You got two. You got it. You now have a second reason why everything has to be yellow. Now you're speaking our love language.

I like it. I like it. Yellow is the. Is the universal color of happiness.

Is it really?

No, I just made it up.

See, you almost have me believe it, though. I thought. See, I thought blue was, like, serenity and stuff like that.

So what's next? What. What can you tell us that's coming down the pipeline? Is there any. Any secrets? Is there anything you can share with us? That's some exciting things you're working on that.

Well, look, we're working on a couple of new documentaries which hopefully should be out sometime next year. I'm working on a new book. I went to. In. I went to India to find God. Okay.

And I realized at the end that I didn't have to go to India to find God. But that's the whole.

Yeah, he's, like, closer than that.

Exactly.

And.

Those are the main things that are happening. I mean, you know, clearly some speeches, hopefully, when. When the COVID is done.

And stuff like that. So there's nothing right there right now, but we're working on a few things.

So is there anything we can do to bug Netflix to get. To get the Kindness Diaries three out? Can we. Is it. Is it us or is it just Covid? And we got to deal with it.

You just got to send them. Send them, like, a million messages.

A million.

All right.

If you send a million messages, I am trying to.

Okay. Please. I'm sure they'll say yes if you do that.

Hey, it's not going to hurt, right? Speak to you Go and bring it in.

Right? Yeah, of course. Of course.

Oh, my goodness. Man. Well, I've enjoyed just sharing this time with you big time. Do you have any final thoughts specifically about anything that's, like, really resonate on your mind and your heart for the people watching and the people to be watching after this, that really just. You feel like just this is the message of the moment?

I would say that history has shown us that when we are under siege, let's say, whether it be with COVID whether it be with.

The inequalities with race, whether it be anything that happens that normal people would give up over. History has shown us that the greats, this is their moment. This is when they show up with everything that they have. And I would try to inspire your viewers to do just that, to use this time as a time of training and to stand up with their head held high and become who they were meant to be. And I'm not saying, oh, okay, I'm going to become the person I'm meant to be.

All right, then.

No, Right. Sometimes it takes time. It takes reading books, it takes watching Instagram Lives. It takes, you know, falling down.

Yeah.

But as the great man Winston Churchill once said, never, never, never give up. And he also said, when you find yourself walking through hell, keep walking.

Yeah. That way you get to get through there without getting totally roasted.

Exactly.

Sure.

Exactly.

Well, dude, I have enjoyed this time. I'm so happ that your mentor believed in you. My very first one was a guy by the name of Steve Myrick that changed my life. Most of the world will never know he exists, except for these stories that I'm sharing about him where he told me one thing that really changed my life. He said, you have to be willing to do today what others won't, so you can have tomorrow what others don't. Wow. And in that subject, in that. In that line, in that quote that he gave me, gosh, it was over 20 years ago. I have not. I have learned that it's like an onion. You're pulling layers back. You know, at first it was like, okay, let me get the house in the car and get myself stable and, you know, start eating a regular meal, which was nice. And go through that process. And then it became, you know what? In this moment in time, maybe what I need to do right now is I need to extend more kindness. Even though that the world says, hey, maybe I shouldn't extend kindness or there's a risk to extending kindness, or you should be scared of it, extending kindness or something like that. Maybe what we need to do right now is extend kindness to one another. Grab hands, work together, make something beautiful happen, make something powerful happen. And we. I think in that moment, what you just said, never, never quit, Never, never give up, keep walking forward. I think if more people unite and take ownership of this message and this. This thing, which. I'm so grateful that you've taken ownership of this message. I'm so grateful.

This.

This is. This is the thing you're walking out. This is the thing you're bringing to the table. This is the inspiring thing that happens. It is coming through the books, it's coming through the speeches, it's coming through the TV show. All of it. All of it is beautiful. And I just want to say thank you on the behalf of myself and our team for being that person, inspiring us to walk it out and grab somebody's hand and do some more kindness.

Well, that's very sweet. Thank you for that. And I know that I was inspired by many. Muhammad Ali being one of them, Martin Luther King being another, Gandhi being another. So we are just a chain, A continuous chain. Yeah.

Beautiful. One final thing. All right, so we got some folks that are watching now, and there'll be a replay on YouTube in the near future. What's the best way for people to stay in contact with you, learn more about what you're doing, and maybe even partner with you on what some of the things you're doing?

They can send me a message on Instagram @the KindnessGuy.

And just Google my name and you'll find my site and you can send me a message. I respond to all messages.

Beautiful. I'll make sure we also put that in the show notes when we put this on YouTube as well, so makes it really easy to just click the link and go. But again, thank you so much, Leon. I really appreciate you doing what you're doing and even taking the time to spend some time with me today. Thank you.

My pleasure. Thanks so much.

All right, my friend, safe travels. And by the way, if you're running through North Carolina, my wife and Aria said you can crash with us for a little bit.

Next time I come to. Is Durham in North Carolina?

Yes, Durham is North Carolina. It's 30 minutes away.

I've been there. I've been to Durham. Okay. I liked it. It was nice. I actually like North Carolina. It's really nice.

Well, come on back, my friend.

I will. Next time, I'll let you know.

All right. See you, Leon. Take care, buddy.

Bye.

Bye. I knew you were gonna love that interview with Leon Logothetis. Do me a favor. Check out this one right here. I know it's gonna help you. You know, I posted something about the past, and she was like, just get over it. And I'm like, you know what? I used to think exactly that way.

Because I thought I was. I mean, I was successful, like, what the heck? But I was.