When Ambitious Women Get Honest (Part 2): How Much Money Is Enough, Wellness Trends We Hate & Social Media Advice We Regret Following

What's up guys, welcome back to the podcast. Today we are diving into part 2 of our When Ambitious Women Get Honest series. This is the second half of a very candid conversation I had with 3 of my closest friends in Miami where we open up about lots of the things that are thought, felt, and experienced behind closed doors for ambitious women who are building personal brands and businesses. You'll be hearing from my friends Sloane, Rebecca, and Arabella, who are all full-time successful online business owners. If you want to connect more with them and see the work that they do, you can find their handles linked in the description below. So So across these two episodes, we cover everything from money, relationships, dating, business pivots, identity crises, shifting your content to stay in alignment, abundance mindset, personal growth, the best and worst advice we've ever received for growing online, how much income is enough to feel satisfied, and so much more. If you missed part one of this conversation, you are more than welcome to go back and start there first. But either way, this episode is going to make sense and it'll allow you to be a fly on the wall inside of our group chat. All right, let's dive in. Part two, here we go. Welcome to the Makeshift Happen podcast. I'm your host, Samantha Daly, entrepreneur, life coach, and your no BS bestie, here to bring you all things mindset, manifestation, and personal development. This podcast is designed to help you expand your mind and uplevel your life. So turn the volume up and roll the windows down if you're coming along for the ride. Let's go make shit happen.

Do you guys have an enough number? Have you ever thought of this? One of my mentors told me about like your enough number, which is like what money is like enough to stop working. No, no, not to stop working, but just to like kind of like what Sloane was describing before of like feeling satisfied and almost like at peace of like no longer needing to like chase of like what that, what that would be. I know it's like kind of interesting because as we're talking about money beliefs, it's like the person who's like infinite abundance would be like, there's no ceiling, it's never enough. But the flip side of that is never having any sort of limit makes you like on always on the hedonic treadmill of like, you know, it's never enough. And I also think when you're surrounded by people who are continuing to grow and be successful and also living somewhere like Miami where it's just like, it's expensive, but also there's insane, like, wealth signals just everywhere all the time. So like, I joke with Jaime all the time, I'm like, I, like, I love my car, you guys know my dream car. Yeah, bought my Porsche, I drive it around, I'm like, this could be a Toyota because like every average person drives a Porsche in this area. It's supercars everywhere. Yeah, on my street right now there's a yacht parked with a helicopter on top. Like the, the house that we were in front of the other day on the beach in front of my house is a $40 million home. And I just saw something about like Cristiano Ronaldo just built the largest like home in Portugal or something, and it's like $40-something million. And I'm like, that's crazy, that's the largest like most luxury home in the entire fucking country, and that's one random fucking neighbor's house on, on my street. Like, it's kind of like, you know, the infinite possibility of it can be kind of sickening. So I was just curious if you guys have thought about enough numbers.

Throw a number out there.

I mean, I'll go first because I've thought about this, right? So like, this is not like right now what I would be like wanting to make right now, but when I think about like, okay, in the next like 5 to 7 years of my business, what would the number be that would make me go, okay, like I don't need to like keep chasing more, like this is good, like I want to stay at this level per month, or just like in cash? And I, I would say it's like $2 to $3 million a year. If I was making $2 to $3 million a year, like I would just be like, I don't need to do more than this.

Okay, so I— yeah, I, I— this is so interesting. I don't think I have a number. I think it's— I could, I could come up with a number for all guessing numbers, but like, what's the profit margin, you know? So like, well, so, so Victor actually—

we're like, if you're making $3 million but you have like 20% profit, like—

but some people do, you know, for sure.

Like, actually, a lot of people assume that it's like mostly profit, that it's a, that it's a healthy profit margin.

Well, just for our game right now of our enough number, we're saying we have like healthy profit margins.

Okay, fine. But my point is that, so I'm a Taurus, so I love money and luxury and like, I like nice things. And Victor also reminds me of diminishing returns. So what I'm thinking is like, I would have kind of like life standards. That I have goals for more than the money. Because like, you can make $3 million, but like, if the profit's only $1 million, um, is that enough? I don't know, right? Or like your team, right? Like, how much is your take-home? This is why I'm asking questions. But my answer is that—

okay, so what is it? Is it in a certain type of house? In Miami?

It would be a certain type of house.

What kind of car are you driving?

Let's play. Okay, I don't care about cars.

Okay, but if you're making millions, come on.

But I probably—

a boat.

Okay, like with one cabin so that we could take it to Bimini if we wanted to, like overnight. House on the beach, like Miami Beach, so that I can walk. Kitchen needs to be filmable, white, bright light.

Okay, so like $4-5 mil a year?

I don't know, that's like—

yeah, in Miami, Miami Beach, like yeah, $4-5 mil a year potentially.

And having like feeling really good with my team, that I have like full-time employees so that I can like be in my business but also be like a very present mom. Like, those are the things I think about. It's like, right? Yeah. So like, how much money is that going to take? I don't really know.

Whatever that number is, got to go home to Victor after this, get a spreadsheet out, got to calculate.

He has all the spreadsheets.

Yeah, start breaking it down. What about you, Rebecca?

I don't have a number. I think it's also very interesting to think about like the number for like, okay, me single by myself versus like, I don't know, 5 years from now with like a family, God willing, like a husband and kids, and like what's he's making also. Like, what's What's going on?

If he's bringing in the 5 million a year, maybe you don't need to do shit.

I mean, I always see myself working no matter what, even when I have kids, but the level we, you know, put our foot on the gas, the gas pedal, I don't know.

Trying to take my foot off that little gas pedal.

Yeah. But I love what I do, so I always see myself doing something. Like, I can't imagine not doing anything cuz it's very fulfilling to me and I love what I do.

I don't have a number, but what, but I like Sam's question about like where you feel like if there wasn't more, I would be genuinely fulfilled and happy. So that's where I'm like, if I don't need like a $40 million mansion, but if I had a house on Miami Beach that had enough bedrooms and like my kitchen and a boat, that would be enough.

It's not a small lifestyle, Sloane.

It's not. I'm not saying it is.

No, I love it for you.

It could be bigger though, cuz we live in Miami, so of course it could always be bigger. That's why I like your question.

So, so no one's answering the question then?

Yeah, but I still want to hear Rebecca's like enough max.

Maybe, maybe not like when you're like with a family, but like just like as your own business, like being, being like a young single woman who wants to be able to travel and like live where you want to live and like have the kind of stuff that you want to be able to have. And you also wouldn't feel like I have to launch this thing or I gotta sell something, or like what, like what would be like the number where you would be like, right?

I think the, the older I get and the more I get more time in my business, the less I'm like focused just on like, oh, I need to hit this amount of money or like this much money a month and more of like the lifestyle. Yeah, it's more of the lifestyle. And also because when I was younger, I was more prone to like burning myself out, I guess. Like, I would, I would do that more. And now that I'm a little older, I'm like, nah, like, it's just, I'd rather protect my energy and my peace a little bit. So I don't have a number in mind. I think it's more so once I feel like, you know, the feeling of like putting your credit card down and you just don't have to even think about it. Like, that's what I would want. And, and also like a big goal of mine is to be able to give back to my parents more and my family and like take them on nice trips and like get to to the point where I feel comfortable being like, okay, it's on me, it's on me. Yeah, like let's go to Costa Rica for a week, like booked it, like done, like, and I don't have to think about it. That would be it. I don't know what number that is personally, but it's the feeling of like I don't even need to think about it. It's like, and it's not like, oh, I need, I need to buy the most expensive car. It's not that. It's more so like you just, you don't have like freedom. I think my thing at the end of the day is always going to be freedom.

Yeah.

But it is an interesting exercise if you were to go home and be like, okay, let me actually work backwards and figure out like what is the amount of money that it would take to actually create that lifestyle because as you know with like creating your reality and like manifestation or whatever, like specificity, yeah, yeah, like it can be really helpful to be. And also sometimes you realize that like you don't need as much as the infinity of possibility is like making you think true that you would need, which I think is cool. So I don't know, for anyone listening who like wants to think about their enough number, I would say that for me Okay, so I have something I think you're really gonna love, and your business is gonna love it even more.

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Like, enough is a million in the sense of like genuine nervous system regulation, ability to pay my rent, to give back a little bit, to pay for dinner when you're with your friends. Like, it just— just to be able to be like, oh, Sloane's stressed, let me book her in for a massage. Like, for me, like, those kind of like metrics of just like enoughness is important, and a mill is, is more than enough to do that. Miami's expensive, but it's enough. But I would say, like, recently, especially my relationship with money, what I've realized— there's a Bible verse, and I'm gonna mess it up, but it says something like, better one handful with peace than two handfuls with strife and chasing the wind. I've used slightly the wrong words there, I don't remember it exactly, but I am starting to understand. Because, like, even with The Gut Solution launch, like, it shouldn't have gone like that, but I'm just getting to the point where I'm, like, less wanting prove myself to people, even my family, even people I knew, and like earn loads of money to do XYZ and be dressed like XYZ. And I just want enough to feel peace. And I think one of the main problems I've had in my business over the years is when it becomes about money, it's no longer purposeful and fun, and it feels— you're in a fear response. And so helping people from a fear response feels rubbish. When you can help people from overflow, especially as a healer or a coach or a supporter, you can be so much better because you're grounded, you're relaxed, you show up to the sessions, and overlive. Yeah, you can just like give back. You can— oh, scholarship, period.

Oh, you don't—

can't pay this month? No worries.

And then no worries.

You know me, I'm a—

I'm— I just—

I'm like, whatever. Yeah, but I just— that would be really nice for me because like, I don't— I don't know, I think my goals have shifted. I used to want to own like retreat centers around the world and be rolling in millions, and it's just really changed for me. Like Yeah, I want to be in God's purpose for my life, and I want enough money to be able to like take, you know, a tenth or a twentieth and give it back. And just like, I would love— like, from the Gut Solution launch, I put that $10K aside, and like my dream— I still haven't done it— but my dream is really to be able to like go up to someone and like, I don't know how I would find out they were in need, but just be able to like give them $10K cash. Like, for me, that is a real big success metric, to change someone's life, because we've all created the ability to make cash that some people could never make, right? And then you can just bless people. That for me would, would be up there, you know. Obviously I want to be in Gucci too, don't get me wrong.

I was gonna say, I'm like, so we need to get—

we need enough for the Gucci and for the give back.

The Gucci and the give back.

Gucci and give—

nice.

That's your metric. I love it. You, you are very oriented in that way though. Like even when you were in Bali and you would like always give extra money to everyone who was like helping you there. You're like, what do they call it, Gojek drivers?

And I would give the t-shirt off my back, I really would. I would just be like— but at this, there's a different part of me that really wants a crisp, crisp, fresh outfit every time I go out, you know? So I, I— both of them live within me.

Yeah, I've accepted them. So an off number just has to support the Gucci and the get back and the Gucci.

Yeah, ideally, God willing.

But you know, okay, we need to talk about a little bit more about Miami life. Favorite and least favorite parts of Miami, just like quick.

Favorite is beach. I don't understand why people don't live on the beach. And you both say like, oh well, next time I'm gonna move to the beach. Why didn't you do it last year?

I'm, I'm moving this week.

There was— you guys were all supposed to live on the beach.

Yeah, well, I've been there, but we never lived on the beach.

We had a joint decision to move and be in the same building, but obviously—

okay, listen, let's not get into that. Things fell through, it got complicated.

Whatever.

Okay, so beach, love the beach. What I dislike is that there's only 3 bridges. Like, people talk about the traffic, but for me very specifically, like, the bridges to leave the beach, that's really challenging. I found ways to avoid it. I just don't leave the beach after 2 PM on any given day. But that would be my least fave.

Love the beach, love the weather. Don't go to the beach enough. So you're— to your point, I think also the people in Miami I really like. I feel like people get a bad rep of people here, but I found amazing people. I mean, you guys in Miami, and I think there's a really cool entrepreneurial space and group here. And in the wellness community, I think a lot of wellness happening in Miami. Um, I like the, like, expansive energy in Miami that you feel as an entrepreneur. I mean, on the flip side of it, I don't like the materialism that comes as much with Miami. I personally don't care about designer, like, I don't care about these things. And so I, like, you know, Miami can be very materialistic in that way. Sometimes it's like to an extreme, but as long as you surround yourself with the right people and you keep like a grounded, down-to-earthness to you, I guess. I mean, obviously, like, we don't really party much. I haven't been to a club since I've moved here 2 years ago, so I've never been out, like, out, out in Miami.

Literally, we've went to like a bar, like, when it was like my birthday or something. Yeah, like danced around for like 30 minutes, had a glass of wine, and then we're like, okay, Sam told you, I told you, man, to leave me alone. I did. Creepy man. Listen, I'm like, I'm like Sloane in that regard. Love you. Like, she you're gonna back up.

For me, Miami, I really love the sunshine, being out in the palm trees. Someone who grew up in rural England, when I see a palm tree, I'm like, instant happiness. I would say the part I don't love would be— don't I love— I guess the bad rap that it gets. I think everyone here is amazing. I think you attract whoever you are or whatever you are to some degree, right? And so I think the wellness community here is absolutely incredible.

I love it.

I think everyone's loves taking care of themselves, has an entrepreneurial spirit. Like, for me, I love it. I think it's great. I don't have much bad to say about it. On the East Coast, zip to Europe if you want, pop up to New York.

It's easier travel, easy big airport to go international.

Like, I just feel like Miami's like the best place in the world. Like, I can't see myself living, living anywhere else. If someone was like, where else would you move?

I, I don't know. People ask me all the time, where are you gonna be? Where are you gonna be? I'm like, well, I need a 5-bedroom house, so I don't know if I can afford to be where I am right now, but I don't know where else I would go. I love, love the weather, similar to you. Like, I grew up in Buffalo, gray skies, horrible winters. My sister-in-law just told me the other day it's snowing in Buffalo right now in April. That would, that would like give me serious seasonal depression. When I was like growing up, I remember hating it. I had this intense feeling inside of me of like, I need to get out of this place. And I did not have a family who traveled very much like we would do road trips to do different little things. But like, I, you know, grew up around kids who were going to St. Barts for like spring break and like doing like cool stuff that like I never did. And I was Sagittarius, I'm like, I need to travel, like I want to see the world. Which is why I went to Spain. And, you know, it was a huge like blessing then because I had such an itch to like do it in a big way that I was able to do that and obviously meet my fiancé and like change my life. But the weather to me is just like, I don't know how it would go back to not looking out the window every single day from my desk and seeing bright blue skies and palm palm trees and being able to just walk out the door and walk my dog and not have to worry about bundling up or anything. Like, it's honestly for the mood and the serotonin. And also living like at the beach, like, to be able to just— if you, if you're in like a bad mood or you're in a funk or something, like, you can just go sit on the sand.

Yeah, like, the instant—

like, it's proven by the negative ions that are like— it's the highest concentration of negative ions in the beach and in the ocean specifically. So it's like, it really is healing. Like, I feel so blessed that we like live next to one of the largest healing resources that you can access. And there's so many people that are so far from water of any kind.

Oh, I do miss like the forest. I grew up in the countryside like with—

too many bugs, not for me.

Mosquitoes? No, no, no, it's not mosquitoes. The English countryside, like the forest full of like these big trees. I miss the crisp, fresh air of opening your window. Yeah, and like the crisp fresh— you open your window in Miami, Big mistake.

Shut that.

Humid. Humid. Fall is definitely peak, like when you live somewhere where the leaves are changing and the air is like crisp. I love a little crisp air. My least favorite part of Miami, I would say, is the traffic and also just how expensive everything is.

True. Yeah, little drinky pop, $10.

Yeah, but if you grew up in Los Angeles, like, I don't think you would feel that way because I'm like, LA, I guess prices— also New York, like I lived in New York too. Traffic in LA is abysmal and people drive really slow. Here they drive really fast, and I've seen people—

they're crazy.

I've seen so many car accidents, like where they're swerving. Like, I witnessed a car accident, so I'm like, I would almost rather— Miami has taught me to be a way more aggressive driver because you will get left in the dust if you are driving.

You gotta, you gotta stay, stay on your toes.

That's why I'm an Uber princess.

Yeah, these two over here with the Uber blocks.

You know, I think it's interesting that none of us— yes, you talked about materialism, but I think like the bad rap that Miami gets is about the people. Or I've heard friends that have left say like, I hate that I go to a workout class and I'm the only one that doesn't have like a ton of plastic surgery or like filler, like, or like I can just tell. And I don't know, I guess because maybe it's rose-colored glasses in a good way, and I feel like each of us are very embodied in our truths and like very confident and self-assured that like I don't even notice those people, to be honest.

I'm not thinking like, oh, you have like a bigger butt and boobs than me. I'm thinking like, cute set, right?

Cute set. I mean, unless there's like a really major BBL.

I wish you got a major BBL and be like, that's crazy, that BBL goes crazy. You know what I'd be thinking? All I'd be thinking is like, how's your health?

Like, right?

I wonder.

Okay, yeah, the wellness girlies would be like, I wonder if she has breast implant illness, right?

Yeah, that's a lot of silicone.

Not all I think about.

But people really get like a lot of comparison and As someone that works with a lot of body image issues, like, I know that that really throws people— are like, oh my God, people are drinking and going out, do you feel excluded? Or like, girls look like this. I'm like, I don't know, I just—

you don't even know, you don't even notice. You're not in that, you're not in that scene.

Yeah, you're not insecure.

Exactly. If you're insecure, if you have one insecurity, you look for that in others and you notice it in others, right? When you're not insecure, which I feel that we've— we've all done the work, we've been doing the work, right?

Yeah.

So, which I think is amazing about the womb.

Secure. So, so we're all secure, and I think that's why it doesn't bother us. I feel so unfazed by it. I'm like, I see it, which I love.

I'm like, about us, period. Yeah, period, period. Women supporting women. Anything else? Well, personal development related, as we're kind of talking about the insecurity piece and just feeling whole and at peace in who you are, and that being kind of like a key to life in general, but especially like surviving somewhere like Miami. Are there any beliefs when it comes to like the personal development realm that you used to buy into that now you're like, I don't really know, like I kind of disagree now, or like I don't really think I buy that anymore?

Yeah, that you need like a 20-step morning routine to just be like healthy and normal. Yeah, I just don't buy into that. Don't buy into needing to be perfect. Like, you, you don't need to have a perfect routine, a perfect life, a perfect this.

Like, I think so many people are trying to like, to get like healed, to like get your optimum results.

Yeah, it's so much obsession with optimal results and people that think that when you heal or when you do X, you're going to be fully full and full and whole. But being full and whole, it comes from knowing who your identity comes from, right? And where your identity comes from. And not to get real Christian on you guys, but like, for me, it comes from my identity in Christ, right? Being like, I'm whole without all these things that I need. And I think for many years, like, I would be searching for wholeness in healing, right? And just really thinking like, if I can just do this and then get that and then do that and then add this extra step to my routine and this extra piece and figure out this extra financial thing, then I'll finally be okay and whole. But you know, I just think that there's beauty in like not needing to be perfect. There's, there's no Ruth to meet and you'll finally be there.

I think it's like the myth of like arrival of like any sort of like—

oh, like saying what I was trying to say.

Yeah, that's— well, because I agree. I think that's also when you're— when you first kind of start doing the work, right? You have this vision of like, once I like do all this and fix all these parts of me, my life is going to feel like I'm, you know, the perfect Instagram aesthetic Pinterest girly. And like, even just today I was like, my nails are disgusting because I'm trying to grow them, trying to get them strong for the wedding. Okay, goodbye. Like, this Oura ring is so scratched. I'm like, why can't I be one of those girls that just like has the cutest like perfectly stacked, like, jewelry all the time, whatever. There's all these different versions of yourself that you always, like, aspire to or want to be. And then you realize, like, you get to be, like, happy and fulfilled and whole and at peace and, like, yourself even if you don't have the perfect 20-step morning routine or whatever. And also, some— maybe it's like less is more is one of them. Like, less is more. I saw the funniest video the other day from this creator that was like, you need to start eating more seed oils and get all those microplastics up in your balls. But the point of the video was like the fear that you are like believing that everything in the world— like we're talking about wellness stuff— everything is bad for you is like going to be potentially more bad for you than just like eating something. Yeah, normal. And I think that you do get to a place in personal development where it's the same, where it's like actually the obsession with like needing to be optimized and better all the time and always 'Oh, what's the limiting belief?' is like, maybe I'm just fucking fine. Like, maybe I don't even need to—

there's an enoughness. I was gonna say, I believe the wellness industry will not tell you, or even the business coaching industry. And it's like what you were saying about the number, right? There's, there's an enoughness. Like, we can still strive for more, but there's like an enoughness that when you have it, you're just— the striving and the goal achieving feels like, nice, nice.

But like, choosing to like be okay and be like, this is good, because you're never—

it's always going to be something going.

That's what I was going to say. I'm like, there is no end destination. It's not just like, boom, you're healed, done. And I think when I first started getting into it, I was like, oh yeah, that's, that's gonna happen. I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna be great. It's like, no, the, the work is always ever going. And like, but at the same time, learning to feel worthy even without that. Like, you can't use that as a crutch to like be your worthiness, you know? At the same time, like, yeah. It's okay. You don't need to be doing all these things also to like have inherent self-worth.

It's probably as well a lot of people listening that are like, oh, once I reach that business milestone, once I have that finance— like, you probably don't even realize you're doing it. It's so subconscious. You're not like, oh, I'll finally be enough when I get that. It's this underlying thing, right? It's chasing. But when you land in the enoughness— I mean, obviously healing helps, like it does make a big change in your life— but I think people get stuck in the trap. And that's, I think, why people end up with like BBLs You know what, I'll finally be lovable if I look like this.

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Yeah, yeah, amen to all of that. I'll add something that I used to really believe was that my coach knew best. And it's funny because we're all coaches.

Yeah.

And I would wait, especially with business, to have my call until making decisions, especially when I was learning sales. I was learning sales from my business coach's husband, and they were like a really great duo. And I was in their mastermind for a year, and I would like want to send a follow-up message to a potential client and would wait till I could talk to him, my coach, before sending the message. And it's something that's taught me a lot about how I want to coach my clients. Like, with food, I don't give meal plans. Like, in my clinical nutrition practice, I give healing protocols, but like, even then, I'll give you recipes. I'm not going to give you a meal plan because then I'm just teaching you to trust me. And I lost some trust in myself business-wise by relying so heavily on coaches.

Yeah, not outsourcing, like just trusting yourself.

Yeah.

And there wasn't enough like intuition, which is like something that I am so good at and like have so deeply. Like I lost that.

Yeah.

You know what I regret so much in my business? Like my biggest regret is when we were working with that specific coach and she was talking about boundaries and setting boundaries with clients. And like, you— they can't voice note you more than a 3-minute voice note, and they can only message you, and they can only do this. And I listened. It's one of my deepest regrets in my business that I listened to this woman and I started putting boundaries in my business to protect myself. These boundaries were not self-protection. They weren't—

they weren't a reflection of your nature also, because that's not how you work. It's not how you want to work. Work with clients.

For her as a business coach, it was perfect. So I wasn't— I'm not judging her. It was more that like, I— she— that's what she taught, and I didn't have the discernment. This is years ago to filter it through. Is this right for me? No, I'm helping people heal. I'm not going to cut you off at 3 minutes 01 if you need to.

Yeah.

Oh, I'm not gonna listen. She said, I'm not gonna listen to them if they're over X amount. Savage. And I just really regret like like what you said, giving— like not having the discernment to choose for myself, because we get to do that as business owners. We get to choose what are the rules that feel good for us, protect us and our clients at the same time. And I feel like hers were just self-pres— like self-preservation and a lack of deep genuine concern for the client, forgetting that everything that you own comes from the money that you take from your clients.

One of my kind of like hot takes is like when I see people who like in the, in the marketing is a lot about like how little they work and how much money they make. I'm just like, yeah, so like what are your clients doing? Like, do you know what I mean? I'm like, I don't really think that's like the flex that you think that it is.

I think also business that I just thought about, kind of going off of, you know, trusting your intuition and everything, is I spent so much time in the early years of my business like trying to subscribe to the like all productivity, very like Type A, like the culture of like, this is how you maximize your day and your time, time blocking, and you need to be posting every day at this time. And like all like the little rules and the Type A-ness that— I'm very Type B when it comes to a lot of things also, and I was trying to fit myself into this mold that just wasn't working. And like, I think a big piece of advice also is you need to do trial and error to see what works for you at the end of the day, because there isn't a one-size-fits-all approach to anything, to a wellness routine, to the way you run your business, to anything within the space. And so you have to be trusting your intuition enough to then also trial and error things on your own. And I tried putting myself in a box for so long, and now I'm like, this is who I am, let me embrace it. I'm actually— I have superpowers and a gift, you know, that I get to.

And also probably you were stifling your creativity a lot, I imagine, if you're trying to follow the time block and you're just a person who like, that's never going to work for.

Yeah. 100%. And I think I even get a lot of questions on these. People are like, well, what is the like perfect routine? Or what do I need to do? What with filming? And do I edit and film in the same time? And like they ask so many damn questions and I'm like, just try it. Like try something, see what works for you. If it doesn't work, change it. I know, but you know, I knew Sam was about to say that. That it's such a, like, I'm like, guys, there's no one. There's no rule book. There's no guidebook. Like this is the exact way you need to do it. And it's like, just try it.

And then all advice is valid unless it doesn't, like, resonate and work for you. Then you don't need to follow it. Yeah, it's trial and error, but that requires self-trust. I think a lot of people, like, to your point, are in the space where they're like, everybody knows better than me, so I'm a dumb dumb, so I should just— whatever they say.

I'm not going to act until I get this confirmation. I would rather you act, tell me how it went, and then we can figure it out together and, like, learn from it. But I sometimes will withhold answers from my clients. Be like, at a certain point I'm like, you know the answer, what do you think? And then I can confirm for you.

That's good coaching.

Thank you. Okay, wellness. We are all into wellness stuff. Wellness trends that are a waste of money, like rapid fire, just shout them out. Wellness trends that are a waste of money.

Vibration plate.

Not me getting on Rebecca's vibration plate.

I honestly love those. I mean, I love it.

Okay, wait, okay, look at lazy girls. We don't need it. It is kind of a waste of money.

You can just like move your body yourself. Yeah, right, but it's kind of fun.

Sure, but like necessary?

No.

Cold plunging.

Sorry.

Yeah, I hate that.

Yeah, I don't like cold plunging.

I dip my elbow in sometimes, or like a little arm.

I personally don't like cold plunging.

No, it's not for me.

I like it sometimes at Coffee and Chill.

At Coffee and Chill when you're not on your period.

Yeah, right.

Anything else?

Wellness trends that are a waste of money?

Colostrum.

Oh yeah, okay, don't subscribe.

Greens powders.

Oh, greens.

Most powders, unless it's like a glutathione, aloe vera, like gut healing powder that a practitioner has ordered for you.

I just feel like choosing your own supplement regime is a waste of money. Like, if you work with a good practitioner and get like a specific protocol for your body, just like you save like years of money, like Well, thousands of dollars.

Yeah. When you're just flying blind and just doing every supplement that people speak highly about, it's like, what is the purpose of that if that's not doing anything for your body?

You know what really bothers me? And I think this might surprise you, but I will say I like the Glucose Goddess. I think her work is really profound and incredible. But sometimes I just think God would be laughing at us if he knew. Oh, you can't eat the apple, right?

The fruit.

A little bit of nut butter. I just think our ancestors who were like scavenging for food would just be like, And I— listen, it is, it is true, it's factual that your blood sugar is in balance when, you know, it can spike. But like, I just think sometimes we get so into things.

Yeah, yeah. But I also think it's like, it's the branding part of it is like when you build the entire persona and brand around that, that's going to be the part of the data and the part of the science that you cling to because you kind of have to make it. So like, I just, I think that not enough normal consumers in the world are able to like have the— like, we all think with a marketing brain because we're business owners. So you can see stuff like that and be like, valid, I get these parts of it. And also I can tell that you have to play it up and you have to like really double down on this and have to like— and so it doesn't affect me personally because I'm not being sold by something that I can see the selling in, right?

I just think we should be able to eat an apple. I feel like God should have probably designed apple perfectly. And I would still give a client the advice.

I'll eat a McDonald's McFlurry and dunk the french fries in it, so you don't gotta talk to me about it. I've never done that.

Listen, an apple, an apple without nut butter, oh my God, please.

Criminal.

When I got in the car, I said to Sloane, I said, would you like a Rice Krispie treat? And she looked at me like, why have you got a Rice Krispie treat?

Yeah, I was actually really surprised that you had a Rice Krispie treat.

She was like, you have food freedom, so I thought you might want a Rice Krispie treat.

I just, I don't want to eat a snack alone.

There was no other food, and it was— I have—

I got so good.

I just had a little rogue Rice Krispie treat. Listen, I survived. But obviously, at the start of my healing journey, I would have protected myself better than that for a period of time. But my goal in my healing journey was just to be a normal functioning—

but I think that is without— like, yes, anything. Like, everything that we're talking about is like, the goal is not to be like some— like, what's the dude's name?

Brian Johnson.

Like, that's no— like, no offense, pop off. But that's not my goal. I'm not the coach. My goal is to, like, what we're talking about is like be at peace, to have enough, but to also work hard so that you can live in abundance and be— have the opportunity to be able to travel and have nice things and give back. But it's like that middle ground of everything, with health, with wealth, with all of it.

Totally. A life without Rice Krispie Treats, I don't want it. No, I don't want it.

Just a little Rice What are wellness things that you guys are loving right now? I feel like I'm—

even though I'm in wellness, I'm like, my routines don't really involve—

come on, I have one for you.

I might eat whole food.

Peak Matcha.

I was gonna say matcha, but like, that's not really new. No, no, I do because they send it to me.

Transparency.

But I was using a different matcha for years that I love.

You just peek, but I have to buy it.

It's not that green.

Oh, I think it's green.

It's green.

It's really green.

Yeah, but like, I use it because they send it to me.

Yes.

Yeah. And I like it, but would I buy that one? I would probably buy like from a friend, you know? Like, yeah, there's so many people that have created matcha brands.

Yeah.

I just feel like— I'm like, I think I'm meant to have an answer to this and I don't.

That's how I feel because I'm like, what are the wellness things?

Maybe because we're so balanced at this point that we're not like obsessed with like, oh my God. This peptide.

Yeah, no, not peptide.

Okay, wait, I have one new thing. My face massage.

Oh yeah, that's a good one.

That's a good one.

With Anastasia.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Can't knock that.

That's good.

But that's— that doesn't feel like a trendy product. Like she's teaching.

No, she's—

I'm just saying, any wellness thing that you're loving right now.

Oh, okay. So face massage. I also used to do such a regimented morning routine when I was learning how to manifest, and then I got very comfortable and I feel like I wasn't pushing myself as much. So I've recently just been like lighting my Palo Santo or sage in the morning, picking a crystal again. Like, I have so many crystals, I used to pick one every morning and then I stopped. So I've just been like re—

trying to get back into our ritual.

Yeah, like making it more ritualistic, more beautiful, more like having a dusting of cinnamon on top of my matcha instead of just dumping. Yeah, exactly. So it's like there's a couple new things, I guess. The face massage, but mostly just adding a little bit more magic to the very basic and pretty mundane things that keep me feeling good.

Yeah, I just feel like if you focus on getting good sleep—

yeah, good sleep is intuitively key.

It's just, it gets to be enough after— if you have your healing chronic disease, it's not enough.

No, right.

But once you're healed, quote unquote, and you have more of a normal functioning body it should be enough at some point.

Breathwork. I've been loving breathwork. Oh, but like not insane breath.

I was gonna say like not, not holotropic. No, just like morning, like 15 minutes.

Like breathing in through your nose for 4 seconds, holding at the top, and then exhaling out of your mouth for like 6 to 8 seconds. Yeah.

And just the sympathetic nervous system.

Yes. Even just doing that like a few rounds, or doing that like laying down, like kind of within a meditative state on my yoga mat for like 10 minutes in the morning. Wow, it makes such a difference, like really into the nervous system these days.

Oh, you know what I love?

As you are on LA Today, you know what I love? Baby, Rebecca was on TV. If for anyone who's listening to the guys, this isn't just our group chat, she is listening. We're like, what was that? Rebecca was on TV recently for a segment about how hot girls have stomach issues and it's because they need to heal their nervous system. Yeah, also Sloane's face massage thing is like a fascia.

Yeah, Anastasia Beauty. You'll find her.

My thing is— two things is— they're not very similar, but one is the face mask I got all of you.

What are they called?

You know that the gloop—

the, the face mask I got you guys, they dry on you. It's like 2 hours, you leave it on your face and it goes clear. They're like jelly.

Yeah, what's the brand?

Oh my goodness, biodance, biodance. Yeah. Oh yeah, I love those. I just feel like you look so glowy and good afterwards, and I don't even know what the ingredients are.

Okay, that made me think of one—

the under eye patches, the Clear Stem ones that we had, that we had at my bachelorette. So good. I have never used ones like the Alyssa Lynch ones. Oh my God, yeah, they were fire.

The matcha.

Yeah. And my second thing is, is reading the Bible. I just feel like it's really simplified my life, not having a 20-step morning routine. And it just— there's so much rich wisdom in there about how to be a good person, how to live your life, how to be at peace. And I just, I just feel like our society, like, have moved away so much from, like, traditional ways of being and being in connection with, like, with the earth, with God. I just feel like we've created all these gadgets, you know, and all these things. And actually, like, I think just life can be be so much more simple. And I really believe it has been for me. So the Bible—

my Bible comforts me. Mine's on my nightstand and I'm like, why is this— just make me happy that it's just here and I just feel safe that it's there.

Me and Rebecca talk about religion as well, you know. It's like there's just, there's just something nice about going to like rich wisdom. And there's obviously a lot of issues there as well, but there's just something beautiful about more traditional ways of being, especially when we live in Miami and we've come so far with like technology and being advanced. There's something about like walking out and looking at the sunlight in the morning and just like having a cup of tea and reading a book, like just taking a deep breath and eating a whole food breakfast. And I just feel like I've realized over the years that life doesn't have to be quite as complicated when it comes to your wellness routines.

Yeah, period.

It's something that I've been loving recently on this trend of like wellness things is actually— that's just like walking. Like I've just been— it's also because I'm getting married and I was like, I gotta get these steps up, okay? Um, but actually just like walking more has actually like making me feel so good. I was like, oh my God, I got 18,000 steps the one day.

Nice! Where did you go?

18,000? 18,000! And then I had 16K and 14K. I'm like, dang, whoa, where you been off to? I'm up on steps. I gotta catch up because I would never hit 10K.

So what have you been doing? How are you hitting your steps?

Because I used to let Jaime do most of the dog walks, right? And now I'm getting put to work. I'm picking up some slack. So that's helping. Like, if I do 2 dog walks in a day, that like massively helps my steps. But also I got a walking pad, right?

I was, I was wondering if some of this is inside.

Yeah, so some of it definitely is outside, cuz I, I'm loving doing like the long like neighborhood walks. But also for me to get to have a day of like 16,000 to 18,000 steps, like I'm not walking outside.

But how fast you walk?

Except when I'm running. My run this morning, 7K steps just from the run.

Wow. Oh, that makes sense, cuz when you run you Yes, that's going faster. All right, period. Love.

I like my walking pad. I didn't get it for a while because we're— it's like, we live in Miami, you can just go outside.

But somebody else is like, do we really need to like walk indoors?

But when you have a blowout, it's like—

I was gonna say like a business, like I was gonna say a business also, Arabella.

Um, when I have to be at my desk, it is mostly that I'm like fucking chained to my laptop.

Yeah, I'm sorry, but when you have a blowout in Miami and you go in The summer outside, I'm done. Tough.

10 minutes out.

Best and worst advice for growing your brand on socials. Mm-hmm. Rebecca, you're up first. Ooh.

Okay. Let me think. I think it probably goes back to the worst advice to like the one-size-fits-all approach of like you need to post X amount of times and this time of day and you need to do this.

Isn't, and it's like the really analytical, like trying to hack the algorithm.

Yeah.

Or like, oh, it's funny actually because I paid $2K for a course last year, and the guy running the course, like a social media course, he told me specifically not to post a certain style of content. And I listened to it for a while, and then later I got back to posting that type of content, and that type of content actually helped me grow like over like 30K followers. Like insane.

You're talking heads.

Yeah. And he told me not to do them, and it just reminded me so much of like, oh my gosh, you really shouldn't listen to shit. Don't listen again.

Like, but your intuition, trial and error of doing stuff, but then also trusting your own wisdom. Yes.

And your own like audience like don't listen to what people say. I'm like, this is the way, and this is what you need to do. Like, especially as women, we have such a strong intuition, and like we were meant to create. Like, we have so much creativity. So don't be afraid to trust yourself and to try new things, you know? Like, don't stick to the box, to the mold that people say this is what you need to do. Like, it's not like that. So I guess the best piece of advice is like trust your intuition and fucking go for it. Like, don't— just try everything and anything. Don't, don't stop yourself.

Okay, worst advice would be trying to get something out of your followers. Like, how can I get more followers? How can I get more views? How can I get more money? We've talked about this. People can tell, and energy is everything. So then the best advice, and where I feel like I've had growth or like really beautiful connections, or really like, yeah, creating connections that lead to clients, is how can I serve? And also, I think it's two parts. Sometimes I think about the other person, like what does someone need to hear today and how can actually help you. Not just like— I've seen people grow with, you know, the 5-second trendy reels that have no value unless you comment the keyword and then get the thing. But that's their entire account, and like, I know nothing about you. So I either post of like, let me think about a client that I just talked to or a lead that I just talked to, and like, what would that woman really need to hear right now? And then the alternate is like, what is coming through me that I really need to share? Like, what's the message? And that will lead to so much more true connection than like, what can I post that will go viral?

Yeah.

Okay. Mine I think would be worse advice: niche down.

Mm-hmm.

Just simply because like my goal is to build a personal brand and that's like what my clients want is a personal brand. And I think if you're really trying to build a personal brand where you can evolve and pivot and change, and people are really there for you, it's not going to come from niching down your account and talking about one specific thing like over and over and over again. And also, if you are a woman who's like multi-passionate, which is I think all of us, like it's highly likely that you're going to get really tired of that. And then you will have grown this audience. Seen this so many times, people come to me and they're like, I did this, like I went so hard on like glute workouts and like fitness stuff, and they're like, I don't want to show my butt on Instagram anymore, like I'm so much deeper than that, like I want share more stuff, and then they're kind of stuck. So I would say niche down if you want to build a truly personal brand. Probably bad advice for you. Best advice, I would say, kind of going off of what Sloane said, but like specifically like Yap style videos, like actually talking. Yeah. And having proprietary original content that's not just B-roll with text on top.

I have not got anything prepared. I would say the most success I've actually had online has always been the content I thought wouldn't be successful. The first time I grew a bunch on social media after not growing for years, it was a video of me in the club.

Club, yep.

Which I don't even go to the club. It was out of alignment with my brand, but it was like the realness of it. The second video that I really grew was me crying on my balcony. Yeah, you know. And so for me, it was always the videos.

I didn't think it's more authenticity actually.

I wanted to be enough for me talking about sharing, like hiding half my life. It's every single time I'm actually really deeply, like, honest about a part of my life I don't normally share. People really relate to it because it's just like so on— they're like, oh, me. That, that's it. That's the thing. It's when people go, oh, that— she's just like me. And I believe that's when it actually— I've had the most success. I actually don't know. I really, really would have to ask someone who follows me why, why they followed me. I really don't know. I'm just like waking up and thinking like, what do people need to to here and then posting and I don't know, I just didn't give up. I just kept doing it. It's been 10 years every day. And so, not every day.

There's been a few days. I've been there, a few rough days.

I think I just didn't give up. There's been so many moments I wanted to quit.

That is one of the best pieces of advice actually, is like just keep going. Yeah.

Like don't stop. 'Cause it's like, you know that image of like the guy digging underneath the ground and he's digging for a diamond and one guy quits and the diamond is like right behind it. I just think that like when you're just your authentic self, whatever that is for you, you're unique, you're different in some way, there's just something different about you, and then you just don't quit. I just think that that always equals success of some degree at some point. If you upload 100 reels, one of them is gonna do well. And most people will upload 2 reels that don't do well and then they quit, right?

And so— or they try to— or they go back and they try to re-strategize, and so they pull away, they pull out, they— yeah, they cut off all the momentum. And then it kind of is harder to like get back, get started up again.

I also think making sure that you're running your business or your account, whatever that is, from a place of genuinely loving sharing or talking about that thing has helped me to not quit because I— my account is like, doesn't— I mean, I don't want to like manifest and affirm this, but like isn't as large as you two, as any of you. And it hasn't yet grown in like leaps since I started it, and it really doesn't bother me at all. Like, sure, that would be fun, and I have some goals around that so that I can connect with more women that need this help. But like, the idea of quitting because the numbers don't grow doesn't even cross my mind because I'm like, it's not about that, it's about connecting with people and then helping them. So whether—

so many different measures of impact and success than just like a follower growth.

So many. And even if you're not like coaching someone but you're selling a product or you're, you know, creating content to build a community, but just to, to have community, it doesn't have to build like linearly or numerically for followers for that to be success.

I think the number, I just think, has never done any of us like good. I, I just think it just— you just do what you know is right, what you believe is right. And then the numbers and trusting the process.

Again, going back to like long game, like I think people get really stressed out and in their head when they're like trying to make something happen so, so quick. Like all of us are like, this is what we do, it's what we have been doing, it's what we're going to keep doing, it's what we will be doing. So there's no like, oh my God, this better work, I'm gonna do myself 6 months.

It's like, yeah, no, I could lose it all tomorrow and I'd get back up and do it again.

I'm like a cockroach.

I keep coming back.

I talk about the stock market analogy a lot when you, when you think about content with clients. Think about like a stock, like some days it's up, some days it's down, but if you keep going, the general trajectory of it over time is going to be up.

That's a good one.

Period.

Yeah, corporate period. Rebecca has new offers coming soon. I might just know some inside knowledge about them. Anyways, thank you guys so much for coming on the podcast. This was So, so fun. We might have to split this into two parts. It was really long, but so, so good.

Yeah, this is so much fun.

Yeah, I love doing this. Thanks for doing it. Yeah, thanks for bringing us to do this all the time, but like, you know, even juicier.

I know, I'm like, I need— we need to come up with more excuses.

Well, this was like the intro. Now everyone knows who we are, and then it's like, it's a couple clicks.

Should this be a repeat segment?

A little—

if you guys really liked this episode, can you please do us a favor and comment below on whatever platform you're listening on so that we know that maybe more group, like girls chat entrepreneur type vibe episodes you would like.

I'm so down. I love yapping. It's also long form is so easy to yap and be yourself. Like, how are you going to yap about everything in a 10-second reel? It's literally impossible.

I love a long form.

Love a long— all right, we have a dinner reservation that I think we're late for, so we got to go. You guys, we love you so much. Can you guys just quickly shout out your handles so that everyone can follow you? We'll link it all in the show notes.

Too. I'm Sloane Elizabeth.

@RebeccaLee.

@TheArabellaSolution, period.

Go follow my friends, you guys, they're awesome. We love you, we'll talk to you next week.

Bye-bye!

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