New Steps

see A Step to Freedom, you didn't see, uh, Homeboy Industry, you didn't see these organizations out there the way you see them today. I didn't have that support, at least I didn't think I had that support. So the only frame of reference I had was the Mud Bones and the Big Ducks and the Bugsies and the, the same names that were taken from Hollywood characters and gangsters that were being glamorized in Hollywood, and we took it on. We said, let's, let's do this. This is a way that we can be seen because we didn't see ourselves as being seen.