EP44: The Path To Putting Your Life Together

We are living through a very pivotal time in human history, and our souls chose to be alive during this time.

And boom, we are live. What's up, everybody? Couple casuals podcast episode number 44. I am your host, Stephano. And guys, I got a great conversation for you guys today. I got a very insightful conversation for you guys today. My guest today is impacting many through his approach to self development and personal growth. He is a retreat leader, an entrepreneur, and a life coach. So, guys, with that being said, I want to welcome Zark Fatal to the podcast.

Thank you for having me, Steph.

Thank you so much.

Is it Steph? What's.

Firstly, did I say your name right?

You said Zark. So Zark is.

The people call you Zark.

A lot of people call me Zark because I went for that by that name for most of my life.

Okay.

My name is actually Zarak, and how I help people pronounce it is Zara with a K on the end.

Zarak.

Zarak, yeah. There you go. Perfect. I went by Zark because when I was young, I was called Zarak, I was called Zarek, and already I was a skinny brown kid who got bullied and picked on. So last thing I wanted was a weird name to, you know, to add to that. And when I changed schools in grade three, somehow my new school, there was a typo and they shortened it to Zark. And I thought, well, Zark sounds more like Mark. That's easier for people to say. I was just tired of correcting people. Okay, So I was Zark. So for many, many years, that's was. That was the name I went by. That's why most of our mutual friends call me Zerk.

Yes.

And, you know, during this journey of, I would say, peeling back the layers to become my most authentic self. Right. I chose to really reclaim my name and own it. And, you know, I was actually speaking to a young woman last night who she kind of created a name that was a little bit more unique. She didn't like her real name, which was Samantha, because she felt it was too ordinary. And many of us do this. A lot of Southeast Asian people, people who have difficult names here, like in North America, for people to pronounce, they will change their names to something more Westernized. And I feel you're compromising your true identity. You're compromising who you are to accommodate other people, and you're giving away your power.

Yeah.

So when I chose to say, no, my name is Zarak. And if you don't know how to say it, I'll work with you to say it so that I'm not accommodating you by giving away something meaningful to me. Because your name is who you've been brought into this world as. And of course a name is just a name. But if you're giving away any part of yourself, and this has to do with any form of self expression to accommodate other people, you are disempowering yourself. And right then you feel guilt, you feel shame, you feel resentment. On a subtle level, you're feeling those low vibration emotions because you're choosing to put someone else's needs in front of your own. And this is why it's very important, regardless what your name is, own it.

I love how that evolved too. That really is sort of, I think, a testament to what you represent. And that evolution, that growing, that development as an individual. And so your relationship with that sort of evolved over the years. So I appreciate you sharing that story. Yeah, a lot of people get my name mixed up too. They say Stefano at times, but it's Stefano. But I often don't really even correct them. Okay, maybe I should, maybe I should.

It comes down to whether or not it has meaning to you. Because for me, I was embarrassed of Zarak for many reasons. I was embarrassed of my culture, I was embarrassed of my body, I was insecure. So anything I could do to have people like me, I would give in. Right. And that's why Zark was me accommodating other people. And I chose to take my power back.

I love that. And you're touching on exactly where I want to kind of start this conversation. So for people tuning in who don't know who Zarark is, how would you describe that to somebody and how is your journey so far, which you kind of touched on a little bit, unfolded to where you are today?

Sure. I would say that who I am today is a heart led leader who is here to expand human consciousness and help men to heal, to be the most empowered, authentic version of themselves so that they can help really show up fully for their families, for their employees and for the world. Because right now we're going through a major crisis where masculinity is I would say, at an all time low. Young men are confused as to what does it mean to be a man. Women don't feel safe because men aren't showing up. And I have become the coach that I needed when I was 40 years old, questioning what the hell am I going to do with my life? So I am a life coach. I am a Retreat leader. I'm a breathwork facilitator and I am a student. I am still learning, I am still growing. And a lot of my teachings are based in what has been impactful for me. What am I going through personally and how can I share that with you to help you along your journey. For those of you that don't know, I was in the entertainment life industry for 25 years, had a very successful career creating 12 different companies. At one point we had 300 employees, we had over 14 million a year in revenue. And my partner Ralph Matty and I and other partners and investors, we created a very impressive portfolio of venues. And I did that for a long time and did very well at it as Zark, the King Street Club guy. And I guess you could say I had my awakening or my oh shit moment. Roughly almost about 10 years ago is August 17, 2014 is when I had my 40th birthday. And I realized that even though I've achieved a great deal of success and I'm well known and I've, you know, accomplished a lot of things a single man would, something was missing. And what was missing was that sense of purpose and fulfillment and not so much about more accomplishment, it's more about doing things with more meaning, with more intention. Because I realized even though I had created a lot by 40, I had lived my life quite unconsciously without a lot of intention because I was being driven by that hurt little 8 year old boy who got picked on, who got bullied, who had his name made fun of, just wanting to be loved and admired and liked. And I created a big beautiful life to make that little boy feel better about himself. Until I realized, you know, if I don't make some changes, if I don't disrupt these patterns that I'm looping in my life, I'm going to wake up and I'm going to be that creepy 50 year old guy in a nightclub still dating 20 year olds. And it was, yeah, at that time I decided something needed to change. And I knew that I didn't know what that change looked like. I knew that I didn't know what I didn't know and I was committed to finding out. So then I did my deep dive into personal development, did a lot of landmark programs. Tony Robbins did the Hoffman process. Last year I dove deep into coaching and retreats and programs and really got to learn who I was for the first time in my life at the age of 40. And that's what put me on that path of personal development. And the deeper I Got into it. The more I discovered who I am, I felt less aligned with the nightlife and entertainment industry, and I started to drift away, and then I started to question what's next.

Yeah, that's a beautiful, beautiful story, man. So in depth and detailed. And I love how you touch on so many good things there. One of the things you touched on was your upbringing, and I think I heard you say this on Matt's podcast, but you touched on it before is a lot of young men, like you said, this crisis with masculinity, are not willing to have conversations about their childhood or their upbringing and stuff.

Yeah.

And I think it's important because it's the foundation of an individual, and it tells you a lot about yourself, which I'm sure we can touch on now. What was your upbringing like? Did you grow up in Canada? What was that sort of upbringing like for you, and how did it contribute to you?

My parents moved over from Pakistan in the 70s, and I grew up in Scarborough. Okay. So grew up in. Even though we owned our own modest little bungalow, you know, I grew up near to housing projects, so I went to school with some pretty dangerous children. And when I say that, I mean, like, literally, by the time I was in high school, I can count on two hands, kids I knew that had either killed or been killed.

Wow.

And so the bullying was real, you know, And I grew up with two parents who didn't really know how to communicate in general. They couldn't communicate with themselves. They couldn't communicate with us. And again, a lot of immigrant parents coming from the homeland, their top priority is food on the table, roof over our heads, clothes on the back. They don't want to talk about feelings. They don't want to talk about emotions. You know, and you hear that a lot with. Because they learned how to communicate or not communicate from their parents, who weren't very good communicators either. So growing up, I didn't really have that close connection with my parents. And there was a lot of fighting in my house. My father is an alcoholic. My mother, at times, was working three jobs. I love both my parents. They are the perfect parents that I chose before I incarnated, to have this human experience. And my parents and I are in a great place. I'm so grateful for them, and I'm grateful for what they did and didn't do, because it's what has allowed me to develop, to be the man I am today. And many men, many successful men, they're driven by the pain from their childhood because they don't know how to express themselves. They don't know how to move that energy. Now, every emotion has an energy and a frequency. If you were abused as a child, if you watched your dad punch your mom, if you grew up in a house where there was no money, if you grew up with people who bullied you or disrespected you, and you don't know how to communicate, you don't know how to express that. You know, emotion is energy in motion. And when that energy is not in motion, that emotion is stuck within you. And that emotion of fear, guilt, shame, anger, frustration is of a very low vibrational frequency. We are energetic beings, and when we have low vibrational emotional energy stuck within us, that is how we develop cancer. That is how we get sick and have tumors and other diseases. Dis ease is disharmony. And when there's disharmony in the body, there's going to be disease. So a lot of men now in their 40s and 50s, they've been pushing down that guilt, that shame, that anger, that hate, that frustration. And now they're getting sick. And because men don't know how to express themselves, because their father said, don't be a pussy, don't cry, man up, nobody wants to hear your shit. They've been living with those emotions stuck within them for 40 or 50 years. So is it a surprise that one of the highest categories for suicide is men over the age of 40, 40? They don't know how to speak about it. They don't know how to express themselves. When we talk, when we express, we emote, we release that emotion that's stuck within us. And sometimes I'll have a coaching call with a client. He'll just talk for 15 minutes. And after. Thank you so much. I feel so much better.

You needed to do, really?

I didn't say, I just listened and I asked a few questions. But a lot of men don't feel like they have anyone to talk to because when you're the boss, you're the CEO, you can't talk to your coworkers. Sometimes you can't talk to your wife. You don't want to talk to your best friend. You don't want them to think you're weird. So who do you talk to? And you just push that shit down. What's nice about the younger generation, what I'm seeing is a lot of guys in their 20s and early 30s are now reaching out for coaching. They're now being more vulnerable and open because they've seen what's happened to their dad, and they don't want to end up like that. And a lot of the guys that I work with, you know, they feel safe to open up and share with me because I'm an open book now. But I never used to be before. Like, I did the landmark communication courses. I did a course called Authentic Relating Training. And, you know, through my own personal development journey, I've just learned to, like, put it out there and just say it. Like, my facade and who I projected myself to be was how I built my business and made millions of dollars living that flashy glam life. Who I am now and my vulnerability and authenticity is what actually draws people to me. So the irony is I. I was living my false self for so many years, wanting the world to see that guy because I didn't love and accept the little boy. And through my own work, I've realized, like, hey, man, we all got issues. We all got trauma. We all have our. Our own problems, which aren't even that unique. We all have the same problems, just our own flavor of it. And when we can come together and we can be open and share and put it out on the table, I don't feel that damaged anymore. And we have something we can relate on together and talk about it. And that's how we heal. We talk about it, we share perspective, we hold space for one another, and we realize, like, okay, this is. Is just something I'm going through. It's not my life, it's not my future. It's just what I'm going through right now.

Exactly. And it's to your point. Our parents didn't know any better.

Right?

They every. Most parents, I would say a lot of people, at least I know in my circle, their parents are of the immigration. They came here to this country and they started a life and their priorities were different. They didn't know what we know now. They didn't have the access to knowledge that we have now. So it's evolved and it's changed. So for us to cast a stone at them or blame them for certain things, I don't think that's the right approach. I think your approach is correct, is being humble enough to know that we use what we. What is useful from them and discard what is sort of not. Because there's a lot of love, that we've got, a lot of support and everything that they did was for us.

Absolutely. So they did the best that they could with what they knew at the time.

That's exactly.

And the one thing I always ask My clients, because it always goes back to your childhood, and it comes down to how your mom or dad did or didn't love you. And I asked them, if you chose your parents before you incarnated, what lessons have you learned from your parents that's helped you to be the person you are today, good or bad? What might that be? For example, my father being an alcoholic. I worked in nightlife for 25 years, never developed a drug or alcohol addiction, even though it was all there for me. Why? I. I saw what alcohol does to a family. Okay. I've learned what not to do, and I have incredible discipline and commitment to my health because I've seen what happens when you don't. So do I want my father to be alcoholic? No. Can I have gratitude for what he indirectly taught me? Absolutely. You know, and in that, it allows me to let go of any resentment or anger that I may have towards him or anything from the fighting growing up, because I could see I got the lesson from the parents. I chose to become the man I am today.

And I'm optimistic. I really do. I think it's shifting. I think you mentioned young people in particular, and, you know, as a consequence of me putting in work for myself, my mom has taken, you know, the liberty of doing the same for her at her life, at her age. Right. So I think that it really does spread and multiply. So the shift is really changing, would you agree? Like, it's starting to grow more, and people are taking interest in their individuality and growing as individuals.

Yeah. And, you know, often, you know, when I'm speaking to someone who's interested in coaching, I want. I want them to understand, like, look, you're not just doing this for you. You're doing this for your wife, your kids, your parents, your employees. The work you do and who you become, you're going to inspire so many people around you, you won't even imagine. We. We chatted a bit about this before. Before we got on this pod with, like, someone like Nick Regina, for example, or even Matt Campoli, who they've become. They are the shining example of the work you do, the work you overcome your addictions. You let go of the pain from the past. You're a shining light that people are then drawn to. And people in the darkness are drawn to the light because it's the way out. And when we do our own inner work, the transformation we experience, who we become, when it's seen by other people, we are now inspiring them to do the work themselves. Now some people are going to resent it. Some people can't be near the light because for them, they're just too lost in the darkness. Your expansion and your evolution reminds them of where they're at. And that could be painful. And part of this transformational journey is letting go of the people that are dimming your light and that are holding you back. And that could often be painful because some of these people you've known for 15, 20, 30 years, some of those people will be your family. And you have to choose yourself and you have to set boundaries that honor your growth and expansion with love and compassion. Leaving the door open because at some point could be years later, and this happened to me because people thought I lost my freaking mind when I sold all my designer shit and moved to Costa Rica. Years later, especially after the pandemic, I started getting DMS and people from, messages from people be like, hey man, you know those retreats you do? Like, I really feel like I need something like that now, you know? So what do they say? At first they'll call you crazy, then they'll laugh at you, they'll fight you, and then they'll want to join you, you know? Know, I can say, like, that really did happen with certain individuals. So, you know, our inner work is for, not just for our inner growth and expansion, but also for the ripple effect that we put out there in the world just by our shift and how we show up in a, in a new way.

And I think that's the real transcending main thing and beautiful thing about it is that you're not only just doing it for yourself, but you're doing it for other people. And how beautiful is that? That, right? That is. That is an important part. Your family, your loved ones, everybody. We got a guest on the pod here today.

Yes. Hey there. You have anything to say?

Roof?

Roof. Yeah. Oh, Sammy, you got something to say? SHE sings sometimes.

Such a good girl. But touching on, on, on inner work, even a little bit further, I'm interested to know, before you had that transition and that and that sort of epiphany or whatever you'd like to call it, what was your relationship with self development before that point? Did it exist at all or, or what did that look like?

I was pretty unconscious. I was very ego driven, just trying to prove myself to the world, just, you know, wanting people to see me as being good enough, being loved. And, you know, I reflect back on the choices I made in my 30s and it's laughable, you know, just looking.

Back, like, we can all hear all of us.

And you know, that's a double edged sword of self awareness is you then, you then realize how unaware you were. And you know, I would say that I didn't grow up religious, but I would say that I've always had a spiritual side to me believing God, believing in a higher power, knowing that we do live other lives and have lived many, many other lives. I would say I've always believed in God and have lived by the principles of do unto others and believing in karma and just, you know, I'd say believing in some of the fundamental core values that are found across many religions. I did the Tony Robbins Unleash the power within before my 40th birthday and it was very inspiring, it was very informational. But it didn't create that shift in my perspective where all of a sudden you have that aha moment and you start to see life in a different way. Before that it was what's the next festival? You know, what's the next, I don't know, watch or car or girl or you know, any of the things that were just constantly providing the dopamine, you know, I lived a very dynamic, exciting life. I mean my life was freaking awesome. Like I loved it in many ways, but it was very unconscious and unintentional.

So you're more focused on the external, rather the internal.

100%. And there's something Eckhart Tolle shares about our outer purpose and our inner purpose. And our outer purpose is the accomplishments, the status, the money, the possessions, all the things for the external. Validation is our outer purpose. And if you're lucky or smart enough, you will achieve those. And then you're kind of scratching your head. Be like, okay, what's next? And what's next is our inner purpose. And the irony about our inner purpose is it has nothing to do with us. Our inner purpose is who do we get to be for others, how do we serve, what impact are we going to create in this lifetime? The legacy that we're going to leave behind? And many people are stuck in their outer purpose and they'll just keep looping that their entire life. And once you tune into your inner purpose, you realize all that other stuff, it's bullshit. It doesn't really mean much. I love driving a Porsche. The difference is before I needed the Porsche for my validation, my ego. Now I want a Porsche because I like driving fast and taking corners at 120. Oh, I don't need the Porsche, but I want it and that's the difference, you know, so when you tune into Your inner purpose, and you start living it. You wake up every day and life is just so much richer. You go to bed and it's like, you know what? Today meant something.

I love that. And the internal is the important thing and that's where the real stuff is. And yeah, touching on that further, I think one of the things linked to that is establishing your values. So I'm curious to get your opinion on that and, and your pursuit on how you establish your values and what are some of those values?

Yes, great question. So part of the reason why I was living completely unintentional and unconscious is I didn't know my values. You know, I was just getting up, I was operating from the false self again just to satisfy the young insecure child. I was just doing whatever I thought I needed to in the moment. I wasn't asking, okay, well, if my value, if I really value family and I want children and I want a loving partner, was I dating women that were aligned with that value?

Beautiful.

No. You know, if my value of freedom, financial freedom, time freedom, you know, professional freedom was really important to me, was I investing my money into the projects that would provide me with passive reoccurring income? No. So I was living out of alignment with my core values because I had no idea what to do or. I'm glad you asked this question because exploring and establishing your five core values is the second module in my path program. Because if you don't know what your five core values are, it's like getting in a car and just driving. You have a destination, oh, I want to end up in Montreal. But you just drive in your car. You don't know what roads to turn on, what highways to take, because you're driving aimlessly without direction. So knowing your core values allows you to set boundaries for yourself.

Right?

It allows you to check in daily when you have decisions to make. Whether it's like I get invited to a trip or I'm going to go to this event or do I want to skip the gym. You keep going back to your values and asking, does this align? And the more you align with your values, the more in flow you are with what resonates with you on a deeper level. Now, when you tap into that flow because you're doing the things that are aligned, you're feeling joy, bliss, gratitude, inspiration. Those high vibrational emotions are of the highest frequency. And if you want more money, you have to be a vibrational match for money. Money is the frequency of 452 MHz. Okay? There's something called the map of consciousness. And they've measured the frequency of all emotional states and all diseases, money, possession, like there's, there's a whole thing by Dr. David Hawkins. The book is called the Map of Consciousness Explained. Highly suggest reading it if you want to understand the process of the manifestation, the secret and all that. Like there's real numbers and data to this. So when you're living in alignment with your values. So let's say it's health, freedom, family, adventure, learning, which are mine for the most part, connection, dancing. When you're honoring those values, you're in that ecstatic state. When you're feeling joy, bliss and gratitude, you are in the highest section of the map of consciousness. You are now a vibrational match for optimal health, extraordinary outcomes and synchronicities. That's when you're in the frequency of abundance. And I remember, I go back to my buddy Nick. It was about three weeks into our work and the guy's a champ. He went so deep into the work, you know, he was just all in. As you know Nick, he doesn't fuck around. He was all in. And you know, even within three weeks, things start to shift for him. He's like, coach, you're never going to believe this. I've been chasing this guy for a year. I've been hounding him for his business. He called me up yesterday and hey, Nick, how you doing? I got two deals for you. Deals just showed up. And continue to show up. Because when you are in that higher vibrational frequency, when you're showing up for yourself, when you're in integrity and honoring your values, you watch what happens to your life. Because when you're not honoring your values, what are you feeling? Guilt, shame, frustration, disappointment. Disappointment.

Resentment, possibly.

Resentment, yes. And now you're in the lower spectrum of the map of consciousness. That's when you feel stuck, inertia, everything feels heavy. Understand your energy, know how to manage your frequency, honor your values and watch what happens to your life. But the problem is most people don't have the discipline, the commitment or the clarity. Most people, and you know, again, I sit down with my clients, say, do you know your five core values? Like, no, I've never thought about that. These are grown ass men and women in their 40s and 50s who don't know their five core values. Not judging them because I was 45 and didn't know my core values. Right. So my freedom, connection, learning, adventure and health. And what do I do for work? Exactly that.

Yeah, that's true. That's an Alignment.

When I chose to create my retreat company, the Live Experience, it embodies every one of my values. And that's why when I get up, I'm not working, I'm in flow when I get up and I do what I do, I'm just being me in a full self expression and I'm impacting people and I'm getting paid for it. See, most people, they're living out of alignment with their values and they don't know who they are. And if you don't know your values, how do you know where you're going? How do you know who you want to marry?

That's what I was going to say. That's such an important part of understanding your values. Right. Which I want to talk about with you in detail later when we talk about relationships because people need to hear that. And that's the starting point really is understanding your values. So piggybacking off of that for your values. One of the things that's in alignment with your values, like you were saying, was coaching. So I'm interested to hear what was that transition like from hospitality to coaching? I know you indulged in self development. I'm interested to even know like who were the first several clients. What did that growth look like for you?

So I actually never thought I was going to be a coach when I made the transition.

Okay?

I being an event organizer and being an expert traveler, I had been on a few retreats and I thought this would be a cool way to share personal development work with other people in Costa Rica and Bali. Good food, workouts, surfing, hiking and personal development talks. I wasn't going to be the personal development coach, okay? I was going to collaborate with coaches who had helped me have them do the talks. And I'm just the organizer curating the experience. People were coming because they saw my transition and they were like, I want that transformation for myself. I'll come to Costa Rica. I never thought I was going to become the coach. So what would happen is I would have friends and clients come on their retreats and then after they need coaching. Because you come on a retreat, you're like having these epiphanies, your mind is blown and now you go home and you're like, okay, well now what do I do with this? Right? So it would be irresponsible for me to not have an integration program for them. But what I did was I was having my coaches from my retreat support them after, when they got home and the coaches I was collaborating with were like, why are you not coaching them, they're coming for you, they're coming to learn from you. And when they go home and they need the support, you can be that person for them. But my insecurity, my imposter syndrome is I'm a high school dropout nightclub guy. Who am I to coach other people, right? And my one friend, Lindsey Sikornik, she said to me, zarek, you're a coach, you know what to listen for. You have amazing life experience, you have the heart for this. You just don't have the piece of paper on the wall to go get your training, do the certification and you need to start coaching. So that's what I did. I enrolled into the coactive training institute professional coach training program. And I had finished all the in person modules and then the last portion of it was six months of weekly calls. And at that time I was traveling a lot. I'm like, when the hell am I ever gonna be in the same time zone for 27 weeks? And then this thing called the pandemic came along.

Oh, wow. Just around that time.

Yeah. So March 2020, I had a retreat planned in Costa Rica. Buzz on the news talked about this virus going around. I'm like, how bad can it be? All of a sudden, clients start dropping out from the retreat. And I realized, okay, this is going to be serious. And at that point I had already hosted nine retreats and I decided, okay, well, if there was any time to start coaching, it would be now.

Oh, wow.

Because part of my coaching program was I had to have six paying coaching clients during the duration of the six month certification.

Okay.

And my first clients were people who had been on my sheets, people who had witnessed my transformation. And they were like, okay, you know what? I'm at home. And I don't for how long I'm at home. I don't love my life, I don't love my job, I don't love my body. I don't even know if I love my wife. I need help here because I can't keep doing this. Because as tragic as a pandemic was for those who lost loved ones and those who have passed, it was the catalyst that the planet needed for people to take a stop, a look at themselves and ask, am I really happy? Is this the life that I want to live now? Some people use those six months to invest into themselves. Some people sat at home and self medicated. For those that chose to do the inner work, whether it be get healthier, learn new skill, invest in their own spiritual growth. Those people have come out of the pandemic, way ahead.

I love to hear those stories because how. How many of those do you hear? The transitional period where people really took that opportunity and went in a positive route.

Yeah, I know many because of the circle that I'm in. Right. And then I also know of people who put on £40. I know people developed addictions. I know people who died, you know, because, you know, I think the pandemic was really not only a big divide between people and family, but also a divide, a division in consciousness, because there were some people who fell for the propaganda, gave in to the pressure, and again, no judgment here. There are some people who chose a certain path, and there are those who chose a different path. And being in Costa Rica during the pandemic, I'm watching the news, I'm watching what's happening back in Toronto. I'm like. Like it's so blatantly obvious what the hell is going on. How are people not seeing it? But again, I'm chilling in Costa Rica, watching it from the external. I wasn't experiencing the pressure. The billboards, the bus shelters, the propaganda on every news and radio station, you know, promoting.

You know what the interesting thing is, too? I think this alludes to what we were talking to about knowing yourself and understanding your values.

Yes.

Because when this external pressure comes in, you find out who everybody is in times of pressure.

Yeah.

And I think that's what we saw.

If you don't know who you are, if you're lost, if you're living your false self, trying to accommodate everybody else because you have not tapped into your own power, then of course you're easily influenced. And when you're influenced and you're in fear, you are controllable, you know, and when you're controllable, you're just going to go along with what the masses say. You're going to trust the government, and you're just going to follow the agenda big time.

And that's what we saw there. And staying on coaching for one second, I have an interesting question for you. I think, you know, all the impact and just positive energy and help that you've given to people. What has coaching other people taught you about yourself?

It's taught me where I need to do my own work. I'll tell you, coaching is the most powerful, transformational journey anyone could go through. Because even as I say it, I feel this, like, heaviness in my chest because the pain and the darkness and the challenges other people go through, it pulls that out in you as well. You know, and you have to sit with the trauma, the sadness, the anger that your clients are going through, holding space for that and also recognizing it in yourself. And look, people are trusting you with their life, you know, truly. And you have to do your best, best to be in integrity in all aspects of your own being to fully show up for your clients. Because if you're trusting me with your time, your energy, your relationship with your wife, your kids, your husband, your career, if you're trusting me with that, I need to do everything in my power to be in integrity in all aspects of my life so that I can show up to serve in my full capacity. And that's where, unfortunately, because the coaching industry is not highly regulated, there are people who are calling themselves coaches, who are guiding people who have no business doing so. And it took me a while to get over my imposter syndrome of I'm a high school dropout and a nightclub guy to now coach CEOs of billion dollar companies or working with, you know, know, amazing women and men who are badass leaders, you know, with huge potential. And it took me going into the depths of my own shadow to see where am I hurt, where am I holding on to trauma? And by no means have I figured that out, you know, I'm still working on it because this is a never ending journey. You just keep peeling back the layers and you just keep getting deeper and deeper. And the truth is, is the deepest, most traumatic pain is deep, deep buried in there, you know, and, and it's a lot. And, and it is very important that as facilitators and people who hold space for others to take care of ourselves and to do what we need to do to nourish ourselves so we can pour from a full cup. And that's something I haven't been great at doing, to be quite, quite honest. And something I need to make more of a priority because if I'm not giving back to myself, I'm doing my clients a disservice.

So I would imagine there's this obviously level of compassion and you're absorbing these conversations and these, these coaching pursuits. Is that what you're sort of like unpacking?

Yes. So it is a combination of running a business, making money, managing your time, all that is in the head, and then there is being in the heart, holding space, listening with compassion and empathy, being of service, truly being able to be that person that your client can count on in the darkest moments of, of their life that they can come to you, you know, so it is this balance of head and heart and, and being able to integrate those two into one. And that, that is the journey, I feel, for all of us. That is a journey as a coach, that is a balance we need to have in order to fully serve and show up for our clients.

I love that. It's the, the, the everlasting dance of working on yourself and being able to help other people.

Yeah. And just to your point about what that brings up in me is, yeah, I'm constantly dealing with my scarcity mindset, you know, constantly dealing with, okay, is this client going to sign? Okay, did the payment come through? Like, how's things going? Because I grew up in a family that lived check to check, and I grew up with no financial literature, no financial literacy. You know, my parents were not very good at managing their own finances, didn't teach us how to do so. And ultimately, when my parents split up at the age of 21, my dad couldn't keep up with the mortgage payments and the banks took our house. So I've grown up not knowing how to create financial stability. So that deep trauma of financial scarcity, having our home taken, listening to my parents argue over money, is so deeply ingrained in me that there are moments when I'm in my business and speaking to clients and I catch the scarcity coming up and I got to constantly remember, I'm safe, I'm abundant, I'm making great money, I don't need to worry anymore. And I think for each coach, they have their own deep rooted trauma that comes up and throws them off from time to time. For sure.

I love how you're so open about that man and you express your vulnerability in your pursuit, in your life. Because I think the best people to learn from are the ones who have been through things. Because experience is the ultimate currency. And the reason that you're so open and vulnerable with your experiences, it just adds to the value that you can bring for other people.

When I'm open and I share as like an open book, you see me, you relate to me, you now have permission, you now can say whatever you feel. Because I've been through some messed up shit and I have no problem talking to my clients about it because I love who I am, I love what I do. I love the man I've become, and I had to go through all of that shit to get here, and I wouldn't change a thing.

That's exactly right.

Right. And, and that is so free. And that's why I tell my clients, you can tell me anything. And I promise You, I've heard something way more fucked up. And I'm not going to judge you because I might have done something more fucked up than you. And that's okay, because you know what? That's how we figure out life. That's how we learn and grow. And, and I also, especially for men, I want them to know it's okay to be vulnerable. It's okay to share, it's okay to cry, it's okay to scream, yell, express yourself. Don't hold that in because that's what kills you.

That's exactly right. And one of the people that you've impacted tremendously was Nick Regina. And when he was on here, he was talking about, I believe it was called the wheel of life and certain spokes and components that you have to self development. I'm interested to get it from your perspective. If you can lay that out for us, it'd be awesome to hear.

Okay. So the wheel of life is something many coaches use, including Tony Robbins. I created my own version that has 12 spokes to it. Okay. And it's finance and wealth, your personal development, your love and romance, your friends and family, your spiritual growth, your contribution and purpose, physical environment. So there's 12 different aspects that I believe help define a life that's fully alive. Right? A lot of the people I work with, highly successful entrepreneurs, their finance is great, their career is great, the relationship shit, their health is shit. They have no spiritual connection. So their wheel, when they do it. So the exercise is basically this. You have a series of guided meditations that you listen to to connect to each section of your life for you to get present to. How satisfied are you with your health and fitness right now? How satisfied are you with your physical environment or your love and romance? And from 1 to 10, you rate your level of satisfaction across the wheel. You.it and then you draw it. You connect a line connecting it.

Okay?

Now most people's diagram, their wheel, and if you want, I could send you a photo so you can slap it in this pod.

Amazing.

Most people's wheel looks like some sort of like deformed ninja star. Okay? All over the place. Because like a guy or girl who's really successful may have a 9 out of 10 for career, 8 out of 10 for finance and wealth, but their relationships might be a 3 out of 10. The spirituality is a 1 out of 10, their contributions a 3 out of 10. You know, so they're kind of all over the place. It's not about having a perfect wheel. That's 10 out of 10. It's about having a wheel that looks like a wheel, you know, because I asked them after they've got their diagram, if this was the wheel on your car, you had four wheels that looked like this. On this, your car, how do you think you'd roll through life? And they're like, it would be bumpy. I'm like, how's your life going? They're like, pretty bumpy. And that's it. It's about creating balance. It's about redirecting some of that energy and focus to other parts of your life that you're neglecting that are meaningful to you. So the wheel of life gives people a visual snapshot of this is what your life actually looks like right now. So if you're feeling frustrated, guilty, resentful, angry, disappointed, here's why. Your life is completely out of balance. So then once they see it, they can't unsee it. And most people never evaluate their life from a 12 point perspective. From that diagram, we say, okay, now what are the three areas of your life that you want to focus on? And then we do some future visioning. One year from now, if your life was as good as it could possibly be and this wheel was transformed, what would it look like now? What do we need to do to go from where we are to that version in this next year? So this is where we create the blueprint for the coaching. This is where we dial into the three areas of life that they really want to focus on. And even though we're only focusing on those three areas because it's a wheel with this hub in the middle, those three areas impact the other nine spokes. So when Nick speaks about the spokes, we focus on the three, knowing it's going to impact the other nine. And as you create expansion and completion in the wheel, you see how things change. Because going back to alignment and integrity and frequency, when you start improving your health and wellness, you're honoring your body. The emotions you get when you leave the gym, joy, gratitude, bliss. You think when you show up in the office, everybody feels that emotion. Of course, you know, so that's a starting point to give people that, I'll say like a wake up call because once they see it, they're like, damn, my life is really like.

Think about it though. How many people really look at their life from a lens like that? They look at life of, I have a job and career, I should get married by a certain time. It's sort of in stages. Yeah, you're following the program exactly. So to have that perspective and laid out your life is a multitude of things contributing to you and your identity and who you are internally. So I love. That's why I wanted to ask you about that. Because when I heard Nick bring that up, I'm like, that's right.

Yeah.

Because there's a multitude of things in your life that you should be working on. Your time outside of work, your health and wellness, your. Your intimate relationships. There's so many components to your life rather than you're not just your job or your business. So I love how you lay that.

And for anybody listening, if you'd like to do the Wheel of Life, I'm going to offer that module to your listeners and viewers.

Oh really?

I'll give you the link.

I appreciate that.

They can download it. It is, I'm like, it's a two to three hour exercise. It's deep.

I'd love to do it myself.

Yeah, for sure. I'd love for you to and give me your feedback. You go deep into parts of your life that again, you don't normally consider and you realize, holy shit, I'm a 1 out of 10 here. Wow, that doesn't feel good. Okay, what do I want to do about that? You know? And it's a profound exercise. It's very insightful and eye opening and is the beginning of your personal development journey. Because when people ask, what is the inner work? What does this whole like personal development thing mean? Being conscious, it's about having intention, knowing your values and choosing from a place of consciousness, of life isn't happening to you. Life is happening for you and through you and by you. You get to create your life. If you want to just wake up, get in your car, do your 9 to 5, just follow the program of the Matrix, no problem. But if one day you wake up and say, no, this doesn't feel aligned. This doesn't feel inspiring. I want a different life. You can create your life. And. And I am the living proof of that because I was a nightclub guy for 25 years. If somebody would have told me 10 years ago that I'd be doing this right now, I would laugh.

Isn't that amazing? When you think about it, it is amazing.

And this is what I'm here to do. This is why my ch. My. This is why my soul chose to be here during this time. Because I'm here to wake people up. I'm here to help people tap into their true, authentic self. Because we need more people like Nick, Regina out there. We need more people who are now shining so bright, they're illuminating everybody around them. That's how we heal the collective. That's how we heal the planet.

Yeah. By one person at a time.

That's it.

I love that. And there's two other little components that I like to focus on too, because based on my experience and people that I speak to, I think this is maybe of the top that they're grappling with is relationships, and then also faith and spirituality. So starting with relationships. We've talked about it throughout the conversation. There's so many relationships you can have. You can have relationship with external things like money, materials and stuff like that, and other people. But there's also the relationship with yourself. Yes, but that's probably, of course, most important before we get into focusing now on intimate relationships. How important do you think it is for a person to spend some time alone to grow that individual relationship with yourself before you. You welcome somebody else into your life?

My belief is the reason why divorces are up to 60% is because going back to your values, how are you going to choose a partner if you don't know yourself? And when you're so busy getting good grades, getting a good job, doing all the things that we're told would make us happy, we don't have the space to get to know ourselves. And if you don't know who you are, how do you expect to know who you want to spend the rest of your life with?

I know. It's. It's you. When you lay it out like that, it's so beautifully said. And it's. And it's like, oh, yeah, that makes total sense. But nobody really takes that in because they look for purpose in others.

Right. They. They look for others to complete them.

Right. That's right.

That never worked. Because the truth is, for those of you listening or watching, and you keep repeating the same relationships over and over again, listen to this. We will attract the people that trigger the wounds that we need to heal. Wow.

Let's think about that for a second. Yeah. And you could think of so many people that you know that have done that or engage with it, or maybe you know, your own self has done that at one stage, right?

Absolutely. So if you're. If there's. Something within you that needs to be healed, a deep wound that you're unconscious to, you unconsciously choose partners that trigger that wound. Okay. And unless you have the patience, the resilience, and the commitment to work through that wound with the fight, the arguments, unless you can work through it, you'll never heal it. And overcome it. But what do most people do? I've been together six, seven months. It just ain't working out. It's just not right. Okay, on to the next one. And on to the next one. On to the next one. So then you have five relationships that don't work out. Wherever you go, there you are. You are the common denominator in those five relationships. And I say this because I'm 49 and single. There's a reason I've done a lot of deep work to understand my traumas and my wounds when it comes to relationships and why I was never able to go deep into enough with a partner, deep enough going intimate, like really allowing myself to surrender to love and allow myself to be fully seen because I didn't want the world to see who I thought I needed to hide. And when you're alone and you have the space to let the shit come up, you have the courage to sit there and face it and be with it, then you can work on it because you can't do anything about what you don't know, you don't know. And the Carl. But there is a quote by Carl Jung that I love that says until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate. So if you wonder why you keep repeating the same relationships, it's because you're unconscious to some wounds that you have yet to heal that are attracting the partners, that are triggering the very wound that you need to confront. And unless you spend time alone, unless you have the courage to say, you know what, I'm done with these six month, one year, two year relationships and them not going deeper, clearly I'm the issue. I'm willing to do the work. Hiring a coach, going on a retreat, watching doc like, you know, there's never been more personal development content out there than ever before to heal whatever you're going through. But most people don't have the discipline and the commitment or the intention to do so. So yes, work on your shit before getting into a relationship because if you think someone is going to complete you, you're, you're, yeah, you're going to be disappointed, man.

It's so well said and I think people really need to listen to that carefully. But it's intimidating to be alone, right? But that's the path of more resistance is where you grow.

But what is intimidating about being alone?

Yes.

People getting fearful of what might come up.

Staying alone by themselves and not having an intimate partner while their social group goes on. And then that's where the, the pressure comes. But for long term thinking long term, which we should think that way in life. It's better to do that work now than be in the wrong relationship and then have to swing back again.

And I can tell you, being someone who used to be very in the scene, very extroverted and out all the time. When I moved to Costa Rica, I was alone a lot with my little Sammy Bear there on the beach, just reflecting, look at the ocean, really getting to know myself for the first time. And you need to sit in your shit and you need to learn to love yourself and accept yourself for all the things that you've done. Because when you get to that point where you really love your own company, you don't need the social validation. You don't need to feel like you got to fit in or that you got to go out to certain events and be with certain people. Because if you feel that pressure, if you feel the fomo, there's a part of you that needs that social interaction and that validation to feel like you're enough. But when you heal those insecurities and you're able to really love yourself, it's not necessary anymore.

It's amazing how you bring up love, because that's what I want to sort of ask you next, people somewhat. We talked about emotions, right? And love is a very strong emotion. It can distort your perception about a relationship, a person, especially newfound love. It can really confuse you or make you make the wrong decision or engage with emotions like jealousy and things that are, are counterproductive to you. And then there's the other side of it, where you've been in love for a very long time and people become complacent and the maintenance aspect of it is neglected. So I want to get your opinion on love in general from both dynamics, from a newfound love and not allowing it to really distort your perception. To make sure it's love, not lust, then the, the everlasting, like, seasoned love, how to maintain it properly.

I'm going to do my best to speak to this because love has been an ongoing word to use.

Roller coaster, journey, experience.

Love is something that I've had barriers to, let's say. Okay, okay. So what I will share is that it's not that we love people, it's we love how they make us feel. Okay? And there's different levels to love, different depths to love. There's the infatuation, like you said, the early stage. There's that deep soul connection where you're like, this is My person. And then there's a love that's almost codependent. Like I need this person because I need to feel this way based on how they love me, right? My own personal journey with love is I, for many years, for most of my life, felt love wasn't safe. Love could be taken away. Love, you have to earn the love. That love is something that you need to achieve by way of doing something. The concept of unconditional love, probably until I got my dog, was a foreign concept. And as I've gotten deeper into this work, realizing my barriers to love, and you know, there's a quote I shared the other day says love is not something to be pursued. To be in love is to remove everything that blocks your ability. The barriers to love. And I'm butchering this. I think it's a quote by Rumi, if I'm not mistaken. And we are love. When you see a baby, do you have children?

No, not yet. I hope so, one day for sure.

Same when you hold a baby for the first time, that baby is pure light, pure love, pure potential. You look at that baby, you have no judgment towards that baby. That baby loves everything and everyone. That's what we start off as, right? And then through life's experiences, through our parents, through peer pressure, through whatever external factors, we start to forget that we are pure love and light. And if we could maintain that innocence of a child and just love anyone, imagine how much easier life would be. But it's our barriers, our perceptions, our beliefs about love and other people that stop us from loving them. And often when we get into a relationship, we have our criteria of what we think we need from the other person in order to fall in love. And this is something that I've dealt with personally and I would say I'm even going through it now of really reframing the idea of what it is to love and be loved. And I feel that for many people, love is transactional. You know, love is something you have to earn. Love is something that you have to achieve. Not that love is our natural state, that we are always love when we remove the barriers to it, right? And in relationships where people the love has kind of like been lost, the love has disappeared, let's say. And again, I've never been married. I've never been in a really long term relationship, 5, 10 years, never to know what that journey is like. But I do have friends who have been married for a very long time. And they say it is constant work to evolve the relationship, to nurture the love to stay connected and to keep putting in the effort to make sure that your partner feels loved and that you are evolving and expanding the love big time. Because of course, in the beginning the love is exciting and it's dynamic and it's fiery and passionate. And then that shifts. Can you evolve with the shift? Can you accept the fact that that stage of the relationship is over and now we're going to evolve our love on a deeper level? We're going to, you know, because after that novelty stage, after the, you know, the honeymoon phase, whether it's six months or a year.

Yep.

Then the shit starts to come up big time. And can you love that person even with all their shit? Can you hold space for them? Can you love the parts of them that you don't love? Right. And be with that because you're gonna go through that challenging stage together. And on the other side of that challenging stage is a deeper love. That's that soul connection love. And you may be familiar with Aubrey, Marcus and Vailana. So I was fortunate enough to attend an event in Miami where they spoke about this, about the. They called the, know, the early stage. They call it the pre tragedy stage, the tragedy, the post tragedy stage. And it's essentially that the first six months, a year, however, you know, long, that is, it is absolute bliss and love and crazy sex and all the wonderful things. Then that tragic moment of you, you see, start to see all the things that you didn't, you know, in the previous stage. Can you go deeper? Can you hold space? Can you be willing to accept all parts of you and your partner that. That maybe you've abandoned, maybe that you've pushed down and suppressed and let that come up. And I think that's where often people will just keep going in the relationship without healing that. And then that resentment and that contempt and those unresolved feelings towards that person's shadow side are never brought to light. But if you can work through those dark elements together, on the other side of that is a deeper, more meaningful love.

Yes. It's two individuals evolving consistently as a collective. And you laid it out so perfectly. And I think we're gonna get a lot of people who are gonna resonate with that message. Another thing I wanted to ask you as well, and just lastly, here is faith. Faith and spirituality. Because I feel relationships is one thing that maybe one thing that maybe people are having issues grappling with. And then the other side of it, I think a lot of people are starting to indulge more in a spiritual side of themselves. Whether that looks like God or the universe or whatever that looks like to them. So I'm interested to ask you, what does faith or spirituality, what does that look like for you firstly? And. And has God played a significant role in your life?

Yeah, I'm glad you asked that question because that's something very present to me right now because I'm actually learning more about Christianity and Jesus, okay. And I did not grow up religious. I actually grew up in a household where there was a lot of resentment towards religion. My father supposed to be Muslim, obviously. He drinks alcohol and smokes weed, so not very Muslim. But my father, at three years old, him and his family were living in India and they had to pack up and leave and move to Pakistan overnight because they were killing Muslims just for being Muslim. Okay? And my father growing up in Pakistan saw the whole political climate change with martial law, with the military coming in and just how dogmatic the religion is there. You know, he grew up a hippie hating religion, okay? So that's why my brother and I, we don't speak Urdu, we're not Muslim. He just wanted us to grow up as Canadians because when he moved to Canada, he said, I didn't realize I was Paki until I came to Canada, you know, so he never dealt with racism until he came. So he said, you know, I want you guys to grow up as Canadians. My mom as well, she was supposed to be Christian. Growing up. The church basically kind of bribed families to convert for food and shelter. So religion was not something present in my household. And to be honest, up until probably a couple years ago, I didn't like saying the word God, okay? I like saying universe or source. You know, that spiritual esoteric talk. I wouldn't say God and didn't know much about Jesus. And again, and he talked about Jesus, I thought, okay, you're like a Bible thumper, like Jesus, like fanatic. Because you know, you grew up seeing the evangelists and you see a certain.

Version of it could be overwhelming for people.

Very much so, yeah. Now, as I said, I've considered myself to be spiritual for most of my life, having some belief and faith in God. But it wasn't probably till I moved to Costa Rica and really dove into meditation and breath work, plant medicine, connecting to truly quantum multi dimensional experiences where I got to really understand spiritual God, Source, life force, energy. And having been down there five, six years, spirituality has become very trendy these days.

That's true.

There's this element of pop spirituality where people have renounced their corporate life or their typical, you know, conventional lifestyle to adopt spirituality and, you know, know, start doing the ayahuasca ceremonies and start wearing the kimonos and all the spiritual things, which I've done as well. And many people, I think, walked away from their old life to adopt spirituality as a way to kind of escape. And while there is some merit and some value in that, I think some people have traded one identity for another. And I would say at times I've probably been guilty of that as well. Right. Because I was feeling lost, and I found this new community that was so loving and embracing. What I realized after being in Costa Rica that long was many of those spiritual people are still lost, and they're just lost wearing a different outfit and they're not grounded, they're not making money. They're so off in the 5D that they're not financially secure in the 3D. Which is why I chose to leave Costa Rica for a year. Because as much as I love the spiritual community and I love the growth and the support I've received from it, I knew, like, I need to dance between the 3D and the 5D to really spread this knowledge and wisdom and grow my business so I could be financially stable so I can have the abundance to impact more people. And I feel that there's a fine line and a balance you need to have between spirit, spirituality, and the matrix, because they coexist. And the more you can dance between the two, the greater impact you're going to have. Okay, so spirituality, it's necessary for everybody. And what does spirituality mean? In my opinion? I feel it means just being the most authentic version of yourself. Connecting to your spirit, connecting to source. Because we are slivers of God, consciousness in human form, having this life experience, right? And spirituality means getting back to who you are on a soul level. Whether you do that through meditation, breathwork, yoga, jogging, plant medicine, whatever modality you choose, have a spiritual practice. Because if you want clarity, if you want to heal, if you want to truly know yourself so you can find your partner and have a deep, loving, juicy marriage, go to Spirit in whatever way. Now, on the religious side of things, because I'm learning about it, a lot of what they speak about in Christianity and other religions is actually what I teach and talk about. And I didn't realize that until I was getting to know a woman in Miami and we were having conversations like this. I said, you know, you and my pastor, you guys say a lot of the same things, but you use the word universe, he uses the word God. She Said, do you want to come to church with me? And I thought, this will be an interesting date. So I went to VU in Miami. Very cool church concept. It's like concert, standup comedy, and Tony Robbins. Really amazing.

Wow.

Hour And a half, 10am I think at 12pm Service.

And they talk scripture, like from the Bible.

So they're talking scripture, but like in a. Like in a fun, casual, inspiring way. And they've got gospel, which sounds more like. Like Justin Bieber. And then they've. Then the pastor is also funny, you know, and it. It was really an uplifting experience. You're in the room with four or five hundred people of a high vibe. And I was like, I like this. And what he was sharing is so much of what I speak to my clients. So, again, spirituality, religion, whatever name you want to call it, it all gets back to God and connecting to God and connecting to that divine knowledge, the intuition that we all have within us. Now I'm reading a book called Jesus and the Essenes.

Okay?

And the Essenes are the teachers that Jesus had. And I'm learning that a lot of what is in the New Testament was modified and not the true account of what happened. Now, I may get some feedback or some flack on this. I don't know. I'm just repeating what I'm sharing from this book. The book is by Dolores Cannon, and it was channeled through one of her, I guess, subjects who went. Was able to connect to the spirit of one of the Essenes and what they share and what they speak about. Everything from the technology the Egyptians had to how Jesus lived his life and how. How people thought and treated each other back then. I understand why they say that, you know, right now they prophesize that, you know, the world is going to end and those who have found Jesus will survive and those who don't will perish.

Right?

What that means to me is Jesus lived a certain way, he had a certain mindset, beliefs, values, the way he treated people. And I'm totally on board with, like, Jesus would be my homie. Like, who he is. Like, I want to hang out with that guy. If you are following that path, you are honoring those morals and principles and values. You are conscious, you are awakened. You are choosing from a place of your own internal gnosis and power. You are not going to fall victim to the agenda, to the propaganda, to all the things that unfortunately are happening in this world that are causing pain and destruction. So I feel that as the Matrix is crumbling, as people are realizing the government do not have our best interests in mind. The pharmaceutical industry don't give a About us. Celebrities are all paid puppets to implement the agenda. If you're still on that program, God be with you. No judgment. You're on your own path. But I think right now, with the statistics that are coming out about the vaccine, with what is coming to light, people are realizing we've been duped.

Yes. Yes.

Wow.

The proof is surfacing.

Exactly. And as that veil gets pulled back, are you going to choose your. Are you going to choose to trust your intuition? Are you going to know yourself so you can let your values guide you? Do you have the commitment, the discipline to live in alignment with what you know to be true? Because if you don't, the path you're on may not be the one that is going to provide you with the life that you want. So the more I learn about Jesus and more I learned about his teachings, the more I realize, okay, this is what it's about. You know, this is how we're meant to live if we want to live. The fullest expression of. Of what it means to be a human.

I think that is the perfect way to tie a bow on everything that we've talked about today, man. And I want to just say thank you so much for bringing so much value of your own personal journey and what. In the contributions that you're giving for so many. And we. We talked about a lot of good things, and especially lastly there with relationships and spirituality. So thank you so much. But I have a final segment on couple casual podcasts, which I call Salute. Salute is the last segment on the podcast where I give an opportunity to the guests to sort of end us off with words of encouragement, a saying, a quote, possibly, or just something that you're feeling called to say.

Yeah. So we are living through a very pivotal time in human history, and our souls chose to be alive during this time. Whether you choose to believe that or not, that is the theory I subscribe to. And my question for anybody listening or watching is, why did your soul choose to be alive during this time? As we go through this massive shift in consciousness, as we see things crumbling in real time, why are you here? Because I believe that each and every one of us has a purpose. Each and every one of us has a higher calling. Some of us will tune into that. Many won't. It is up to us to believe that. I'm here for a reason. I have something special to offer, and I'm going to make time. I'm going to be intentional to discover what that is. And you're not going to discover it in your nine to five. You're not going to discover it in your comfort zone. You got to get out there. You got to believe that you have a gift that the world needs, and you need to be courageous and be willing to explore what life has to offer so you know what you have to offer.

Amazing. So well said. You're more than you think, guys. I think that's the summary of it. But thank you again, brother, so much. I appreciate you. I look forward to taking the wheel of life, too. So if you want to send that, I'll put it in the bio to. To have everybody take that. And I think the value in this conversation was amazing. I can't wait to listen to it back. And I look forward to seeing more of your journey, bro.

Yeah. So thank you. And I'm really thankful to be on this podcast with you because I got to speak about things that I'm very passionate about. Yes. That I haven't talked about on other podcasts. And I just want to thank you for the opportunity.

Amazing. Thank you so much. And I appreciate you guys as well. Thanks for tuning in. Until next time, I love you. Nobody else. Ciao.