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In this interview excerpt, Speaker A probes the challenges of owner dependence in small businesses, contrasting the notion of building a personal job with building a sellable business. He references well‑known business literature such as The E‑Myth and Working on Your Business, Not in It, and asks how business owners typically react when advisors suggest shifting from a job‑centric model to a scalable, owner‑independent business. The question seeks to uncover whether owners are shocked by the idea, already aware of the need, or willing to embrace the transformation.

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