European Dreams!!!

Welcome to The In Between Podcast. I'm Astrid.

And I'm Alexis. And we're 2 best friends on a journey to living a fun, intentional life.

We know it's easier to share on a season of life once it's behind you, but what about when you're in the middle of the growth, confusion, and decision-making?

This lifestyle podcast is for the everyday gal who loves to travel, talk about business, relationships, fashion, and everything in between. Welcome Welcome back to The In Between Pod. I am one half of the pod, Alexis.

And I am the other half, Astrid.

And I'm really excited about this because this is like a very fresh, like it's very top of mind podcast because we're going to be talking about, um, my recent, um, travels and adventures through Europe this past summer. Just got home 3 days ago. And so it's Really, really fresh. And we're going to talk through where I went, what I learned, tips on Portugal, Spain, and Italy. And we'll just talk about what we like learn when we travel in general and how that can really open things up for us. But first, we got to do what we always do. Do our thing. We got to do our thing thing.

Oh, I love it. I love it. Well, so if you are new around here, we always share what it is that we feel we are currently in between. So Alexis, what do you feel like you are in between right now?

Yeah.

Okay.

This kind of goes to this pod episode, but I would say, I would say, okay, this is going to get a little bit deep and in the weeds a bit. But I think regardless of if you're an entrepreneur or whatever goal or dream you have, whatever passion it is, I feel like there's a huge difference in the dream itself and how you can romanticize it and the vision you have for it. And you can even picture yourself doing the thing that you say you want to do. And then there's the actual doing of it. There's the planning, there's the execution, there's the strategy, there's the doing the thing that we say that we're going to do. And I feel like I'm in the middle of that tension. of myself, my own humanity, my own insecurities and flaws and weaknesses. I have such vision and dreams and really high energy and want to accomplish a lot of things and impact a lot of people. And then there's this execution piece that I've always really, really struggled with. I've seen common threads of this in my life for as long as I can remember. And I am in the uncomfortable in-between tension of actually executing on some of these big, big things that I say I want, and then actually doing the work daily, like the in-the-weeds, in-the-trenches kind of stuff that is not attractive and feels like, am I even making a difference? Is this even gonna be anything? Is anyone listening? You know, like, is anyone out there? Like, that is how it feels.

It just feels lonely.

It feels like, you know, half the time I feel like I am operating with glasses that I've like, my, I need a stronger prescription. Like, I don't even have the right frames on.

Whatever.

You know, like, help me out. So I, I'm in that, I'm sweating. I'm sweating.

We were coming up. Yeah.

I'm sweating in this. Little sweatsuit that I'm wearing. Um, but yeah, that's, that's where I'm at mentally, in between the dreaming and the doing.

Wow. I, girl, retweet, retweet. Like, that is such a hard, hard place to be. And I think like one thing that I realized this past year Is how that uncomfortable space of the in-between and getting to those dreams, we'll conquer that, right? And then there's a bigger dream. And then that comes up again. And then there's a bigger dream. And then that comes up again. And so I've kind of really backtracked and I'm like, man, if I don't really get these habits and things and mindset figured out, it's only going to get amplified More as I, you know, things evolve. But that is such a powerful statement what you've just shared and season that I don't think a lot of people share on that. And it's also why like having coaches is so important, you know, because like whenever it comes to our own life, like no matter you could be the most motivational, you could be Oprah, you know, and literally like you get so caught up in your own mentality. There's certain things from the past that pop up that say that you can't, that you shouldn't, that you're not good enough, all these things. And when the work is in front of you, those lies pop up and then you're doing double the work.

Yeah.

It's not really the work, right? Once you actually get to the work, the physical action, it's really not that hard.

And then you're like, dang, this is what I was meant to do.

I am flowing. But from point A to point B, pun, that in between is so emotionally daunting because you're unraveling, you're growing, you're shedding skin, you're shedding layers that you no longer want to hold onto. And it's both beautiful and painful.

Wow.

And I admire you so much for sharing that because I think entrepreneurs and really everyone that is working towards a goal, will run into that. If you're on a journey to be healthier, if you're on a journey of self-acceptance, if you're on a journey of emotionally healing trauma, anything that you're working through right now, it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard, but it's going to be so worth it. And I'm just so proud of you for still putting in the work.

Thank you.

Even though it's hard and staying focused because it'll be worth it.

I know, I know. And it— the thing is, is everything up to this point has been worth it, and I know that. I think that what I have really missed the last couple of years in particular is planning. Like, I, I used to love to plan, and I think that's a big part of whatever we're trying to accomplish.

Mm-hmm.

And somewhere along the way, I, I either I got cocky, I got lazy, whatever it is. Got in my head. Let let the insecurities take over. Whatever it was, I don't even know. Like I just stopped planning for it. I just like I kept dreaming for it and kept wanting it, but I stopped planning for it to happen. And aka when you're not planning for it, you're not there taking the action towards the thing. Yeah. So I think I'm back in planning mode. I actually text my coach this morning. I was like, "It's on, baby." Hold me accountable. I was like, "Let's go." And I sent her like this really. long audio message. And I'm just really excited to hit the ground running these next couple of months and see what happens. But anyways, that's where I'm at and excited about listening back to this hopefully in a couple months and being like, yeah, let's go. We pushed through that.

Yes, I love it. And there's still so much left of this year. I'm actually right now wanting, like in the next week or so, I have a wedding in Mexico and I'm wanting to take some time while I'm out there to kind of take it as a new year for the rest of the year and be like, what are my goals? What are my expectations? Let's expand. Because I feel like some of the goals that I set at the beginning of this year, I mean, I guess it's not bad to say it, I surpassed them and I'm really happy about it.

Yeah, girl. Let's not shy away from that. Tell us. Tell the people.

Yeah, I accomplished my— not all of them, but But on track. And I'm like, all right, well, we can't just chill here. We still got 4 months of life, so let's push forward. So yeah, I'm excited for what's to come. It'll be fun.

Me too. Okay. What are you in between?

Okay. It's kind of along those lines as well, but this is a word that has been on my mind for the past 2 weeks every time that I'm putting in the work. It's try softer. And so I feel like up to this point in my life, there's been a lot of goals that I've set. There's been a lot of things I wanted to do and I've kind of just pushed through it and really gotten it done, which was great. But the entire time I was tense, thinking, oh, I don't think I can do it, but I'm going to do it. I'm going to physically do the work even though my mind doesn't think that I can do it.

Yeah.

And it was just very draining. And then now there's this element of I'm still putting in the work and I'm working very hard, but I'm trying this element of just softness to each thing. And I don't know how to describe it, but other than savoring it and realizing that I was meant for where I'm at right now, or even going on walks or going to the gym, Yes, it's a part of my goal. Yes, it's a part of my agenda. And then before, I would kind of like go get it done because it's part of the goal. Now it's like, as I'm walking in, I'm thinking, let's just try softer. Let's just enjoy this. Like, this is not something that we just need to check off our list.

Mm-hmm.

So I think I'm just in between shifting my mindset on how I approach achieving some of my goals.

Yeah.

It's just really savoring the fact that life happens right now. Who knows what could happen next year? And I don't want to look back and be like, okay, well, I accomplished it, but I feel like I just ran 20 marathons and I am dead and burnt out, which is what has happened to me in the past.

Right. It's like you're accomplishing everything, but at what cost?

Right.

Because your requirement is this maybe intense energy towards it. I love the softer, simpler, being present with it and holding it softer. I guess you were saying that, I was picturing a closed fist versus an open fist to what we're trying to accomplish.

Yeah.

So yeah, even just opening up the palm to whatever task it is that is ahead of us. Yeah.

And I think too, I'm reframing what, um, what it is that it takes to get the job done. Sometimes we associate softness with that is weakness and that is not how you get things done. You gotta work hard and you gotta grind and you gotta do all these crazy things.

But that's, that's actually the feminine meeting the masculine and how can those intertwine to like create something beautiful instead of this, like, we have to have this harsh masculine energy or it's like, oh, we can't have this like weak Feminine, which those 2 things don't even belong in the same sentence. But we associate that because that's what work and entrepreneur culture, we wake up at 4:30, we drink our Bulletproof Coffee. It's like that form of—

We grind until midnight and sleep 2 hours.

Yeah. That form of entrepreneurship is not for everyone. And figuring out what maybe your form is. Yeah.

And so I'm really reframing that and being like, I don't have to be in pain the whole time. There will be painful moments of growth that I want to embrace, but I don't have to be in pain. And also, I will have so much— one thing I've noticed is the exact same work, I have so much more energy because I'm not doing it out of like, got to grind it out. I'm just focused on the work itself.

Hmm.

Same timeframe, same hard work, more energy, more bandwidth. So anyway, it's just really interesting how that wording just keeps popping up in my head. And yeah, I am excited for the growth. I'm excited for everything. And at the same time, it's hard. Like you mentioned earlier, you got to schedule the thing. You got to make time for it.

Absolutely. I'm proud of us. We're just growing. We're growing.

On a much lighter note.

You kick it off.

You kick it off. So like Alexis mentioned earlier, She is coming, or she just came home from a big Europe trip. I don't think you mentioned the timeframe, but she was there for 5 weeks, which is amazing. I feel like 15-year-old Alexis, if you were to tell her, you're gonna go to Europe for 5 weeks, and we're gonna like do all the things, you're gonna be with your husband, it's gonna be like literally like a movie, she would just cry of joy. And I just love that for you.

And it came true. And it's like, it does feel very bittersweet to be home. And I want to talk about that as well, of like, just the feelings that you feel after you accomplish like a dream trip or whatever it is for you, that like bittersweet feeling of coming home.

Mm-hmm.

But yeah, it was honestly incredible. And I learned a lot about myself and also overcame a lot of like travel anxiety as well. And we can like touch on that a little bit too. But I was really nervous about this trip abroad. For about 2 weeks of it, I was traveling with other women or by myself. And then my husband met me 2 weeks into the trip and then we rounded out the last 3 weeks together, which was awesome. And obviously he's my person. I feel more comfortable and safe with him. But even still, he and I are— my last big international trip with Matthew, We were in South Africa and we were, we were robbed in a smash and grab while we were in the vehicle. And it was a very traumatic experience to say the least. And it just like, I've never been scared to travel. I've never had any kind of like anxiety around my safety before.

Mm-hmm.

And that really kind of shattered some of that. That I guess illusion that is safety. You know, we like walk about and we're like, "Oh, we're safe," but you just never know like someone's intentions. And so, just kind of walking into a big international trip and working through the mental gymnastics of you know reminding myself that I'm okay and that even if something does happen, I know what to do and like I am equipped and. My guard was very up and my senses were very heightened. But at the same time, like, I felt so safe the whole time as well, which was very interesting. So I had a really great time, overcame a lot of like mental travel anxiety as well as like, you know, rekindled my, my creativity, which was also really fun.

I love it. I love it. It sounds like it was a very healing trip in so many different layers. And thank you for sharing your story about your travel to South Africa because for many people that would be something where now they've decided, I'm never going to travel internationally again.

Right.

And I think that's a side of healing that needs to be shared more. And you guys decided, we're ready to take this trip. We're not going to let that hold us back. Yes, that was traumatic. Yes, that was such a hard experience. And let's move forward and not let that hold us back. Because that's, as we're talking about international travel and we talk about all these exciting, amazing things, safety is such a real aspect of it. And it is something that the negative side of it happened to you guys. And so kind of keeping that, I appreciate that you're willing to share all aspects of it.

Absolutely.

And I also love that it was like creative too. Yeah.

Nothing like exposure therapy to just work through my travel anxiety. I will throw myself in it.

Yes. So Alexis went to 3 different countries during this time. She went to Portugal, Spain, and then Italy. So we're gonna run through each of the countries and then basically I am selfishly going to ask her all the questions because I wanna do the Europe trip. at some point. But I'm sure there's many of you out there as well that would love to hear about these locations. So let's start with Portugal. That looked absolutely beautiful.

Yeah, Portugal is a hidden gem. And honestly, I would say it's tied between Portugal and Italy for me.

Oh, wow.

Yeah. So for so okay, just a few things on Portugal. So I went to Lisbon and then the Algarve coast, specifically in Lagos or Lagos. Yes, I learned how to to correctly pronounce. And then I also went to Cascais, which is a like beach town outside of Lisbon. So like those three cities, those three areas. towns. And I found it to be very safe. I walked around at all hours of the night. There was one night where me and my girlfriend were like, I think we were out till like 1:30 in the morning. And it was very, very safe.

Wow.

We never felt— we never were like heckled or catcalled or approached or like even solicitors in the street that are like, hey, can you buy this thing? Or do you want to go to this place? Like sometimes people walking up to you can just feel very, as a woman, like, what are you gonna do to me? You know, which is very sad, but that is like, that's the thought, you know, when someone's approaching me and like, what's going on? Um, especially when you're not like in your normal surroundings and that's happening. So that was amazing. I felt very safe. It was very inexpensive. Portugal was by far the best place if you're trying to ball out on a budget. Don't go, don't go to Amalfi Coast. That's what I'm telling you. You're definitely going to be able to stretch your dollars so much farther in Portugal. Um, like I'm talking a glass of wine is €3 or €4, which right now the euro to dollar is almost equal. It's like a glass of wine, $3 or $4.

Um, would you recommend it for like a girls trip or would you say—

100%.

Really? Okay.

Yeah.

What about a solo trip? Is it, is it that safe?

I would say yeah. Like Lisbon has a, a big like backpacking community to it. So I would say I would say yes, like solo travel there, girls trip travel. Like I went with my girlfriend Jess, that was like, you know, she was there for a week. And then my colleague Emma came in and her and I stayed together for a week. And so it was great. Like, yeah, I felt very, very safe and the people were really kind and really fun and friendly. There wasn't any, you know, sometimes in certain countries with Americans or even just people that like are English speaking, like Canadians, North American, like even from Britain or like Ireland, sometimes there can be like a sense of, I don't know, like a sense of tension of like, you're like in our country.

Yeah.

Like specifically, I definitely felt this. Definitely felt this in France for sure, which is fine. Like, I get it. You know, I don't speak French. I tried, I butchered it, but I'm trying, right? But I didn't feel that sense of like, tension with, um, with Portuguese people or people in Portuguese or even people that were living there. It was just really fun and very open and very friendly. And we talked to a lot of different people and had really great interactions, which always makes travel so rich, right?

Yes.

Meaningful experience.

So, yes. So on that note though, how did you communicate with them? Because they speak Portuguese, right? You don't know Portuguese. So how did, how did that happen?

Everyone there, I okay that that's a generalization. Everyone I interacted with spoke English.

Okay.

So that was very interesting as well. And and I actually talked to one of this one of the girls that was um at this bar we were at, and she was a server, and she asked where we were from, which that was interesting as well. We got this a lot. This was something like I it's probably like a little weird thing to. to think of. But I'm like, oh, well, you hear my accent. Like, I'm American, right?

I am from the Midwest.

I am American. But I'm like, oh, I'm from America. And they're like, oh, okay. And so I asked, I said, do I not sound like— does my accent not sound American? And they're like, honestly, like, we have people from Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Like, um, even people from Britain that have like different accents. And so honestly, um, like we always ask if you're speaking English where you're from. So there's actually not an assumption that you're from America, which I thought was interesting.

I love that. Yeah.

I was like, I'll be Canadian.

They're nice.

They've got a good rep right now.

All day. Yes.

I'm kidding. But no, it was, it was a really great experience.

What was your least favorite part or thing about Portugal?

I would say, um, I don't know if I have any. The food was—

Least favorite?

Incredible. No, no, no, no, no. I was like thinking about things and then I thought about how much I liked the food.

I was like, I'd be out on that trip if the food was bad.

No, honestly, I found everything to be amazing. Like, I really loved it. The— I'd say the most like inconvenient part was train travel. You can drive to Algarve coast in 2 and a half hours, or you can take like a 5-hour train, which is what we did because we didn't want to have a vehicle. And where we were staying in Lagos, like, are one-way tiny cobblestone streets. So I'm like, where in the heck am I gonna park a car? You know? So that was like— but gosh, it's train travel. I read a book. Like, I had a great time. So I don't, I don't really have anything negative. Yeah, anything negative? Also, another little highlight before we move on to Spain, I found it very easy to eat healthy in Portugal.

Out of all the 3 countries?

Actually, I found it to be the healthiest, um, in terms of like fish and veggies. And every, every breakfast place I went to had a menu of juices.

Wow.

Like, do you want your immunity juice? Do you want ginger? I was like, oh my gosh, like, I'd take one of those juices. Uh, €3.

Oh my gosh. Now I was paying like $20 in Santa Monica when I was there. I'd pay like $20 for a juice. I was like, okay, this is my lunch.

You really slide your card across and you're like, fine, here you go. Um, yeah, I found it to be very easy to, um, find nutritious foods at a really solid cost. Like, I was, I was shocked. For 2 weeks I felt like Nothing about my dietary, like from home to there changed. And then I moved to Italy.

I'm sold on Portugal. Was there any AC in your units?

Okay. Thank you for bringing that up.

Okay. Cause I was like, I know in Colombia, like we have some, but you have to like turn it on. It's just like a whole thing. So.

I'm actually really glad that you brought that up. No AC, no AC in any of the Airbnbs. Now I was there for one week for my company retreat. And we were staying in a hotel, like the whole company was in a hotel. So obviously that had AC, but the 2 Airbnbs, the 3 Airbnbs we stayed in did not have AC. And they did provide fans, like standup fans that you could plug in and have on. And you better believe—

Standing next to them.

You better believe I was just like standing there in my underwear. I was like, oh my God. Like, it was rough, especially having to work remote. In an apartment in the daytime, right? Like, in the evenings, it's really fine. You have the windows open. Yeah, very chilly at night. You'd have— I'd have like a jacket or like a light sweater on. But during the day with no, no air circulation was rough. I was like, I'm sweating all the time.

I love this. This is like me while hot yoga is going on. How hot was it?

And then we can move on to Spain, but I was there in from like late July to the almost mid-August. Um, and it was maybe 75, 80 during the day. And then at night it got down into like the high 60s, but along the coast. So it has a breeze to it. And so it feels like a little bit chillier at night, which I loved.

I love the beaches. That makes it more doable if there's no AC. Like I was picturing 90-degree weather, no AC. Like that's that's tough.

But no, no, it was it was not that bad. I think whenever you're just used to having AC and you're not used to sweating while you're working an eight-hour day, then I feel like that's different. But yeah, it was honestly really really great.

Perfect. Okay, awesome. Well, I am sold on Portugal. Now let's go ahead and move on to. Spain. So tell us first how many days you were there, and then second, what was like your absolute favorite part about being in Spain?

Yes, so we were there for 4 nights and 5 days, and I really liked Spain. First off, I was there specifically and only to see my girlfriend Charlie, who I used to work with at ConvertKit, and hadn't seen her since before the pandemic. Shout out to Charlie.

We love you, Charlie.

We know you listen to the pod. I would say that, I mean, that, that was like, I'm going to Europe. I am going to see Charli. Like that was just the path, you know? I love it. And Matthew was really excited because he hadn't been to Spain either. Really liked Spain as well. We were unfortunately there during a like heat wave where the first day we were there was like 101 and it was very, very hot. But like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna discount, you know, Spain because they can't control the weather. But it did make walking around and exploring very interesting.

4 out of 5 experience going on there.

And I was like, oh, this is really hot. But I mean, it's also summer. Like, you know, you're in Europe in the summer, it's gonna be hot. The food was amazing. Charlie knows my love languages and she sent me a Google Doc. She like planned this amazing experience for Matt and I. Oh, for the 4 days we were there. It was so sweet.

What a host.

I know, she was incredible. Um, she is incredible, but she like had, had made all these amazing dinner reservations at all these like experiential dining places.

Mm.

So Matt and I, and then her and her partner Mark, um, we went and ate at all these like amazing restaurants in Valencia. So that was where we went in Spain. We went to Valencia, and that is like, um, about a 2-hour— I think it's 2 or 3 hours south of Barcelona on the coast. So it's still a coastal city. It's much smaller though. So I think if you're like wanting the Spain like hustle and bustle, you know, I wouldn't necessarily go— like Valencia is where people go to vacation that are from Spain. Like they go there for like beach.

Get away from the craziness type of thing.

Exactly, exactly. So it is a little bit more, um, It's not— I wouldn't say sleepy, but it is like, it's not going to have that, like, you know, um, hustle and bustle of like a Spain city that you might have in your mind.

Yeah. Yeah. What was like your favorite dining experience? Because it sounds like that was primarily the entertainment and it sounds like you had a lot of great ones, but tell us about your absolute favorite.

Um, there, I think there was the first place we went to and I cannot remember the name. I have it saved in a highlight on my Instagram, so just go check it out. But it was, it was essentially you walked into this like very kind of unassuming restaurant, like the exterior was cute, but you have no idea what's on the inside. And it was literally like the interior was like you stepped into Japan. Like they had this whole storyline where they welcome you and they tell you like the story of this mythical witch. I'm totally butchering the story. But essentially, like, There was this past her and this future her. And we had reservations in the past. So we went to the past. And so it was very interesting. Like the past part of the restaurant was like, like historical Japan. So they literally had like water streams running through the restaurant with like these beautiful huts that you could go eat in and like cobblestone floor. Like literal running water, like a stream through the restaurant. And then the future was like very— think of like, oh, what am I trying to think of? Keanu Reeves is in it. It's like the future-oriented movie where he like takes the pill.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In the wash.

I can't think of the name, but I know what you're talking about.

I am— my dad's gonna be so upset because we always used to watch that whenever I was a kid. Matrix.

Oh my God. Oh yes, The Matrix.

Okay. I felt like the future looked a lot like The Matrix. Like it was like very high tech and like food on holograms and it was just such a—

Very creative.

Innovative in the food. Like Matt and I talked, that's like some of the best sushi we've ever had in our whole lives. It was amazing. So 10 outta 10. And we went to the beach and like had paella and did like the whole, like the Spanish beaches were amazing and People were topless. And I was like, this is amazing.

Like, did you go topless too?

I did not. I did not. But Matthew encouraged it. He's like, I don't wanna stand in your way, baby. If you wanna go topless, it's so sweet. But it was really cool because I just felt like what that, what I like witnessed from that is that at least like my interpretation is that people in Europe, and that was also in Lisbon as well, people in Europe seem to have a really comfortable relationship with their bodies. And I just loved how this is my body, here it is, whatever. There was this sense of neutrality to it that I just thought was so beautiful.

Mm-hmm.

And it even made me feel confident. It just was this aura at the beach where everyone's like, we're here to have a good time. And we're letting it all out. And like there was a sense of freedom there. And I was just really inspired by that. I did not partake, but I would. I would, but I didn't. I appreciate it. I love that. I love that.

And going back to the restaurant that you mentioned, I'm a big fan of experiences. And so I love how they brought together that creativity of We're going to let you be a part of this story. And as you start dining through it, rather than just a server coming to your table and being like, hey, here's the best sushi in the country or whatever it might be, you have a good dinner, you move on. So I love that. Go check it out.

The food was amazing. Also did some shopping there. Okay. You know that, that 2-piece pink set I wore in Amalfi has to be one of the, like, your top 3 outfits Ever.

Ever. I saw it and I, I like gasped out loud. I was like, she looks amazing. She has peaked.

I love you. I will never peak.

I am always on the rise.

She will continue to peak. I am always on the rise. I love it. But yeah, like I got that there. It was really fun shopping with Charlie because like anytime we would ever travel together, we'd always go like to boutiques and go shopping. And so she took me to one of her favorite places and It was just really amazing to spend time with her and her partner Mark and get to see their life. And it honestly reminded me how rare that kind of friendship is, like what we have as well. But when you are an adult and you meet someone and you click, don't take that for granted.

Yeah.

And foster and nurture that friendship. Regardless of where you live, no matter how far you are, if you're on different continents, when you're together, savor that because it's just so special. And I felt that with her. We both cried whenever I left because there's just this sense of she knows me, she gets me.

She gets me, yeah.

Yeah. And I know her, I get her, I see her. And it was just a beautiful— it was right in the middle of our trip. And it was just another little, like, you know, we both looked at each other and I was like, I'm really proud of you and I'm proud of where you are. And she's like, and I'm proud of you and I'm proud of where you are. And like, it was just a really beautiful part of our time in Europe. And like, yes, I loved Spain, but I was there to see my friend Charlie and like, that was it for me.

I love that. There's so many things I've learned from you, but I've really learned you really show up for people in your life and you really are intentional about it and you really put your heart in soul into the friendships. And I've learned from you how to be a better friend. And I really admire how much, how intentional you are with that. And the fact that you went to Europe and you could have gone to another country, or you could have spent more time in Italy, but you made time in your schedule and taken out of your vacation. I know that you're happy to do it, but I think it's something that sometimes it's not that we don't want to do it, we just don't think to do it. And I think you said something very powerful, which is when you find those friendships that you powerfully connect with, that they get you, make that time and effort to bond with them more, to build more onto that. Because it's so rare. It's so rare to find people that you click with and also that you continue to click with through seasons in life and through changes. Because sometimes Unfortunately, some friendships are just for a season and people change. But when you're able to grow with certain people through multiple seasons, you're like, man, you're my girl through all thick and thin. So I love that for you. And that's such a beautiful lesson to all of us of just being more mindful and spending more time with those friendships. So love it. Love it.

Always learning. Shout out to Charlie.

We love you. Yes.

Go follow her @charliepringley.

Yes, and send us that Google Doc, please.

Yes, seriously.

Okay, let's talk about Italy. That was like, AKA your honeymoon.

I know, actually. It looked like a movie. It was so sweet. It was so cute. People were like, are you on your honeymoon? And we're like, no, we've been married for 3 years, but we just like love each other. We're obsessed.

We're still in the honeymoon phase.

We are. We are. It was incredible. So to back up, we took— we flew from Lisbon to Valencia, where it was in Valencia, and then we just flew from Valencia to Naples. And Naples is like the closest airport to Amalfi Coast. There's no like— and that's an hour and a half away. So there's no like—

Right.

There's no airport in Amalfi Coast. Like you fly into Naples and then you either take a ferry, a bus, you can train as well, or you can hire a driver. And we hired a driver.

Curious, how did you go about hiring a driver? Because I feel like there would be so many options, and I personally would be scared to hire the wrong person. Like, how did you approach that process?

Yeah, so just to— well, I booked it through our hotel. That's one thing. If you are traveling abroad and you're staying at a hotel, I like to book, I like to pre-book long, like that's a, it was an hour and 45-minute drive. Like I don't want to be in the back of a taxi. And also taxi rates at an airport are going to be so much higher than pre-booked travel. Like I've pre-booked you to drive. So the rates were, we paid €120 to go from the Naples airport to Amalfi and like To actually Amalfi town. Not like when people say Amalfi Coast, that's like, it's a massive coast, the whole coast, right? Like there's lots of towns there. So yeah, actually to Amalfi was €120. And we actually heard from 2 girls who, who just like got to the airport and took a taxi and it was €200.

Mm-hmm.

So it just depends on like what you wanna invest, what you wanna spend. Our flight got in too late to take a ferry. That's what we were going to do. We were going to take a ferry to Amalfi, but our flight got in too late and it was easier for us to hire a driver. So we did that. Loved Amalfi. Love, love, loved Amalfi. There were so many things about it that I didn't expect to like so much. Like there was a part of me that was like, okay, Amalfi Coast, super hyped. It's been on my Pinterest boards for 5 to 7 years. Like all the influencers go here. All the top influencers go here. famous people go here, right? Like, like they go to Capri, they go to Amalfi, they go to Positano. Like, you know, this is, this is like a whole other level, right, of, of European travel. So I had, I had like neutral expectations and I absolutely loved it. And I also realized like it's August and that is Amalfi's busiest month.

Mm-hmm.

And I didn't, I didn't know that. Leaning in, leaning into it.

You all know, learn from Alexis. Yeah.

Go in May or September. Um, but we loved it. We specifically got a hotel over an Airbnb and not to like go into this too much, but my, my tip for it, depending on where you're staying in Amalfi too, we found Positano to be completely out of like our budget. Like we're talking $500 to $1,000 a night and up. To stay there. Whereas we found the town of Amalfi to be a lot more reasonable. And that's actually where we ended up. Like a lot of the things we wanted to do were closer to Amalfi anyways. Mm-hmm. So we stayed in Amalfi. We found it to be like, okay, now we're looking at $300 a night. Okay. I can do that. Yeah. That's a lot more reasonable.

Right.

Um, we also booked a hotel over an Airbnb because steps, like you're hiking your suitcases and you're like, Walking up multiple layers of steps because these these Airbnbs and these houses and apartments are like built on top of each other.

Like I'm not doing that.

You do it clear. Not on my way. You guys, any of y'all followed me, but you know that we had three suitcases.

Okay.

No, I wasn't. I wasn't pulling out those looks for the gram and for TikTok out of just like a carry-on bag. Yeah. And props to anybody that does. Seriously, I I applaud you. But I am a maximalist. And so I needed all my things.

I agree.

We booked at this hotel called the Grand Excelsior, found it on hotels.com. You know, I'm a hotels.com girly. And they had a free shuttle to Amalfi on the hour, which saved us so much money because taxis, we paid €70 to go 7 miles and it took us 2 hours.

Wow.

Taxis are very, very expensive there because like the roads are very small and there's just the traffic. Like, I get why they're expensive because they spend so much time in the car on one customer taking you somewhere. Um, so it had a private beach as well. And that was another thing, like the beaches in Amalfi are black pebbles and like big rocks. So you're not on sand. So it's, you're not like gonna lay, I mean, you could, but laying your towel on like rocks, is that ideal? So then it's like, okay, well, every time we would go to the beach, then we, we might like pay for a chair and an umbrella. And so that was another thing that saved us a lot of money, um, as well was having private beach access and they had a pool and they had free breakfast. And so—

Wow.

When we started like really stacking it all in, staying at a hotel was a lot Cheaper for us than if we would have gone to an Airbnb. And we really loved the amenities. We would actually— Matt and I talked like we would literally go stay there again. Like, that's how much we liked it and how easy it was. I would say on a scale of like 1 to 5 stars, I would give it like a 2.5 in terms of like updatedness and like—

Sure.

But I didn't really care. We had a balcony that overlooked the coast and they had all these amenities, so I didn't need it to be like the fanciest. I just needed it to do what it did and it did it.

Yeah. Well, and also I think something that I've learned too with traveling is really taking into account how much are you going to be in your room, right? So there's certain places where say like you're going to a cabin, you're going to be remote, you're mostly going to be in that space. So I'm okay spending a little bit extra because that's where you're going to be. But if you're traveling somewhere abroad, you're already kind of spending quite a bit of money and you actually prefer to put your money towards experiences outside of the hotel and you're really just there to sleep and get ready and move on, then it makes sense to not spend or waste some of your money on a 5-star. And if you can do it, amazing, right? But if you're looking to save on money, that's such a great way to do that. And that was a huge, great I would've never thought about looking specifically at all of those amenities that would've added so much more cost to your trip.

100%. And I, the thing I liked about it too, it was 15 minutes outside of Amalfi Town, up on the mountainside. So you got this beautiful view. It was very relaxing. No traffic, no people. Like, I mean, there were people at the hotel, but it just felt very— no, no one was there. It was just me and Matt. I'm kidding. It was just very chill and like it actually felt relaxing. And then if you wanted to go into the madness, that was the towns, which was fun, right? But it didn't— you got to have the relaxing Amalfi experience, which is what we wanted at that point in the vacation. We needed to like chill out. We'd been in cities and like running from thing to thing to thing.

Yeah.

One other tip, if you can't necessarily afford to stay in a 5-star hotel, Or don't want to spend your money that way. What Matt and I did that really sweetened the experience is we went and had lunch and dinner at 5-star restaurants. And so we got to see the hotel, we got to see the grounds, we got to experience, you know, a percentage of it. We got to have the amazing food, and the food was so good at the places that we ate. Love that tip. And we got to experience it, got to take the fun pictures, got to like It was very romantic. And then we, we got to like save probably thousands of dollars by not staying there. Like there was this one place that actually Riley, I saw on his story and I was like, yo, where was this? And we went and had lunch there up in Ravello called Palazzo Avino. And it was like $2,000, $3,000 a night. Right. And we just spent $150 on a really like lovely lunch. We got a bottle of really nice Chardonnay. We split a pizza. We got dessert. You know, we like had this lovely dining experience. We got to be there, but we were like, all right, time to go back to our 2-star hotel. I'm fine with that.

I love that.

I love that.

And I feel like that's such a practical tip too for anywhere that you may be traveling, traveling even in the States.

Yes.

If you're going somewhere that you absolutely love that's expensive, just, you know, go down on your costs with wherever it is that you're staying and then go to all these hotels that usually do have amazing restaurants.

Right. Because they're chefs. They're chefs from other, like a lot of the places we went had Michelin star restaurants. We did not dine at them. We dined at the more casual, but like you, you can go have those experiences too. Another thing I think is really important about Amalfi in particular, I think the best way to experience Amalfi is from the water. Like we booked a very, very reasonable Airbnb experience. Those came through for us. We booked an Airbnb experience yacht or a sailboat day Jess and I did in Lagos in Portugal. Incredible. It was like $60 a person.

I love that. The Airbnb experiences.

You know why?

Because I've heard horror stories. This is just my side as a photographer of like, you book the Airbnb experience with a photographer and/or photography and like the photos that you get are, you know, 2005 type sepia. So I just automatically associate with all the experiences being like that. But that's such a great tip. I think that We need to explore that more.

It was great. The one in Amalfi for Matt and I, it was 8 hours. We got to stop at all these different swimming, swimming, um, like coves, and we got to swim in caves. They stopped in Positano for 2 hours so we could have lunch. And like Positano to Amalfi is like a 45-minute drive. That would've cost us probably like an, um, probably €100 one way. Like we didn't, and We went there on the second day. We stopped in Positano for lunch and we were like, cool, don't need to come back here. It was so busy. It was just like inundated with people. And we were like, all right, we want something a little bit more relaxed.

We got to do it.

Got to take the fun pics, got to eat the fun food, had the best pistachio cannoli of my life. Oh yeah. I still think about her. I still think about her. Um, but yeah, like booking Airbnb experiences, read the reviews. It was $300 for both of us for an 8-hour boat day that included alcohol and all of these stops. And then we just obviously paid for our own lunch. But it was very reasonable.

I love that. A little bit more of a practical question. I've heard some people say sometimes like, oh, I could not do a trip that long with my partner. What would we talk about or do, whatever? And so from your perspective as a married person, You guys have been together for 3 years. You were over there 2 weeks. And it's very different to obviously be at home all the time than to be somewhere else completely disconnected. How are some ways that perhaps a couple that's taking a trip that wants to connect more can make that time a little bit more intentional and fun and just nice and light?

Yeah, love that. I think while we were planning, There were elements that I'm like, okay, what's most important to you and what's most important to me? And just starting there, it was really important that Matt wanted a boat day. I was like, done, we're doing a boat day. I really wanted to go to a cooking class. And so we did that. I also booked that through Airbnb Experience as well.

It was amazing.

It was like $60 a person. It was this fantastic experience. So I think like getting on the same page of like what's important And even like we would check in like, what's your energy like today? Are you tired? Oh, you're like, you're feeling good or whatever that is. Like even on an energy level, like being on the same page in the morning, I'm like, hey, you know, I'm kind of feeling like beach in the morning, maybe going to Amalfi for like a late lunch. And he's like, yeah, I want to do the same thing. So like, or he's like, actually, what if we did, you know, breakfast here? And just being able to like talk about and having a game plan and like actually caring Yeah. About the other person's energy. And like, you know, there were a couple days where we were just doing a lot of things and I said, hey, I just want a whole day at the beach. I want to start the morning at the pool and I want to end the day at the beach. I want to take the last shuttle up to the hotel. Like, I want to be in the amenities, you know, like the free things and be in the sun. And he was like, oh, I really want a sun day as well. I was like, great. And so that's what we did. So I think just like being on the same page. Another thing that I do actually with anyone that I travel with, but also like Matt and I do this on every single trip at the end of the day at dinner, we go through top 3. What was your top 3 like favorite things of the day? And it's a really great way to reflect on the day and also talk through like some of the things that were really memorable, why you liked them, what it taught you, why it was funny.

Love that.

Like whatever it is.

Mm-hmm.

That is a really great way to like stay connected and you're, it's at the end of the day, you're kind of tired. But I will say like, we did not have one argument the whole trip. And I feel like there are certain, like you see people's experiences online and you're like, I wonder what's like really happening or like what's on the other side of that. And I will tell you that like this whole trip was such a positive experience. Like everything that I was sharing just felt so authentic because it was just like I was living in this carefree, energetic, like positive space. And things that were annoying, like long travel days, or we had to get a whole third suitcase because we flew Ryanair. Actually, travel tip, Ryanair is good at their social media, but their airline sucks. Like the actual airline itself, they're great at branding. I literally booked Ryanair because I was like, they have a great TikTok.

Yeah.

Will screw you on luggage. Like if you do not hit their weight requirements, you literally can't, you can't check a bag. Like you cannot fly. Oh, you can't even, you can't even pay, uh, like extra. They'll only like let, allow you 3 kilograms extra. So my bag was like 30 kilograms and they're, my bag was so heavy. Okay. Astrid, it's like, first off, why does BASE make a bag that big if you ain't gonna fill it? All right. Like, obviously it's gonna be heavy. So she's getting her whole—

Money's worth.

Yeah. We had to get our whole third, we had to get a third suitcase to offset the weight so that we didn't have to pay extra, AKA, or like not be able to fly with the bag. So anyways, but no, like he didn't even, he was just like, cool, let's just go find a suitcase. And like, he, Charlie let us borrow her luggage, like hand scale and He played Tetris while I was working. Like, he played Tetris with the bags. And like, I don't know, it just— I think that this trip showed me that like we're in a really healthy space right now and like in a really healthy place in our marriage and really communicating. And I think regardless of who you're traveling with, you know, especially your partner, but you know, I traveled with friends on this trip as well. Like, just communicate.

Yeah.

Just say like, hey, I'm kind of feeling this right now. Or I'm having a low energy, or like, hey, that my stomach hurts, or like, I have a headache, or I'm exhausted, or like, hey, it's our last day in this one place. Like, I've seen it every single time and I want to go there. We haven't gone and I just, I want to go. Like, whatever it is, just talk about it, communicate through it. It's so worth it. Um, and I think that everyone ends up having a more, you know, fun, lighthearted experience when you just kind of say what it is that you want to do and how you're feeling. And then, you know, you're with your person or you're with your friend and you're like, okay, sounds good. Like, it doesn't have to be this like scary thing.

Yeah, I think that's a huge part too of like choosing. I mean, of course Matt is your husband, and then also when you're traveling with friends, you have chosen your friends at this point that are, you know, emotionally healthy and in good spaces and all that stuff. But in general, that is the biggest aspect of another person is one, can they take ownership of their own feelings, of their own things? Can they voice what they want, what they need? Because sometimes people just are frustrated and mad because something's not happening. Say you want a full day in the sun, and then the other person's pulling to a shopping day. And like the other person's just frustrated because It's— they're not doing what they're doing, but like you never said anything, and it's just the craziest thing. And so sometimes you can be doing all the right things, but also if the other person's not taking ownership and speaking up.

Yeah.

And also be being flexible with like when things go wrong, whatever, you know, the suitcase is overweight, just letting it be.

Yeah.

Having also that communication aspect is huge, and I love that And even past conflict, I love what you said about dinner time and the top 3 things of the day, because I think sometimes people, maybe in relationships too, you have such a great connection with people and you want to dive deeper into that connection, but they don't know how.

Yeah.

And I feel like personally, questions have just been such a great way to connect with people in general, whether it's a partner or a friend or someone who you just met at a coffee shop, just ask questions. And so I love that you shared that because one thing I really admire about you and Matt is how intentional you are about your marriage and how intentional you are about your communication and getting the inside scoop into how you travel, how you communicate, and Savor all the experiences is just beautiful. And I'm so happy you got all those experiences. Me too.

Me too. It was, it was amazing. I'd be like reading on the beach. I read like probably 5 or 6 books on this vacation.

Oh, wow.

I would be like reading. Yeah. I'd be like reading and I'd look over at Matt and I'd be like, do you want to talk? And he'd be like, no. I'd be like, okay. And then I'd like go back to reading and then he would like start a conversation and I'm like, do you want to talk now? And then we would talk. But it was like, even literally just that, like, I don't want to feel guilty for reading. I don't want him to resent me for reading if he really wants to, like, have this conversation here at the beach.

Yes.

So I'm like, I'm checking in. Do you want to talk? And he's saying yes or no. Or he's like, hey, I want to, like, tell you the story. And I'm like, okay, now I'm, like, engaged. But there's even, like, something as simple as navigating a situation like that can really help You know, you feel connected and you feel honored, you know, in the relationship. Um, but yeah, we loved Amalfi, would go back. Like, we absolutely loved it. Um, we almost thought about— like, I cried whenever I left Amalfi. I was so sad. Like, that's how much I liked it. And I just felt like so— I don't know, I just felt so refreshed. Um, we almost canceled Rome.

Oh yes, I forgot about Rome for a second. Yeah.

We don't have to dig too far into Rome. I loved it. The food was incredible. I thought that the street food in Amalfi was not it. Like, if you want—

Oh.

If you want good food in Amalfi, make a reservation at a nice restaurant. Like, they have really good chefs there, but like, you need to, you need to do a little bit of food research because there were 2 nights in particular where we just like ate at an outdoor terrace. We were like, oh, we'll just kind of like, you know, there's a lot of that. Like, we'll just kind of walk in and eat somewhere. Both of the, both of the meals were not really that good at all. And it was like, oh, this isn't like the Italy that you hear about. So I do think Amalfi, because it is small, I mean, these are like towns of like 500 people and they're beach towns. So they're not— just do a little bit of food research. Rome though, I feel like you could like throw a rock and hit an amazing restaurant.

Okay.

Not need to have a reservation. Amazing pasta. Like, so good.

I had photos.

Oh my gosh. I had this, I had this pistachio ginger lemon ravioli.

She loves a pistachio.

And then it had truffle. It had truffle like shaved on top. Anyways, it was really great. My mouth is like watery hearing that. Yeah. I liked Florence as well. We only did, we took a train from Rome to Florence for one day. Just like went in the morning and came back in the evening. Florence is like a very shopping-heavy city. We went and saw Michelangelo's David. That was amazing. And but I felt like it was like 4 o'clock, 4:30, and we were like, okay, now what? What do we do? Like, I felt like Florence was a little bit of a smaller— I mean, it is a smaller town.

Yeah.

Florence is the gateway to like Tuscany. Oh, I think if I went back to Florence, we would like Stop there and then we would go to Tuscany and go to an amazing vineyard and stay in a chateau.

So yeah, the next trip.

Next trip?

That's amazing. I love it. I love it. Well, thank you for sharing all of this with us.

You're welcome.

And now that everything is kind of wrapped up, you're back at home. I feel like every time that I travel, I come back and I'm like, this is an element that I want to incorporate into my daily life, or this is an a side of me I didn't know was there, and I want to tap more into that. Is there anything, or what are you coming back with that you're like, okay, this is what Europe taught me, and this is how I want to bring that into my daily life?

Yeah, I would say the biggest thing that it's taught me is, or maybe unlocked, like really unlocked in me, was this sense of carefree Energy, like really leaning into that version of myself and like honestly kind of resonating with what you said at the beginning of the episode on being like approaching things softer. I feel like that was how I approached this trip, like you know only managing my own expectations of myself and like just looking at each day like a gift and like what a beautiful experience we're in and like even with photos and like things for Instagram or. Astrid walked me through before the trip. She was in Houston and she walked me through how to create my very first reel. And I was so excited.

She freaking went viral with her first one. Just saying.

Maybe viral. But even that, experimenting with reels and kind of getting into this new creative element and I don't know, just sharing from a place of carefreeness. that I think because I like personal development and vulnerability and healing and like therapy and coaching, I think sometimes I can just approach things with like everything so deep and like everything's so serious. And yeah.

Yeah.

Like, what is the meaning of this?

You know?

And I really think that this trip gave me permission to like, I can be both, you know, I can experience life through this really deep meaningful way. And I can also cut loose and be carefree and really not have to manage everything all the time and not feel so high-strung about something not playing out the way, the vision I had in my head. And this trip was like, I felt like I healed because of how I navigated this trip. I just felt like a better like, I felt like a better, healthier version of myself that I haven't gotten to see in action. And like, I mean, you know, there's nothing that like calls you to the carpet like 5 weeks of travel and being uncomfortable. And like, you know, even though it's beautiful and it's awesome, like there are elements to it where you're just like, ah, you know, I just like wanna be home.

Or, um, I didn't— or being out of your routine. Yeah. You're not in your own bed and I didn't make any—

and stressing that. I didn't give in to the frustration. I just really let every day kind of unfold. And, I think what that looks like now is how can I approach that same carefree energy with my coaching business and building out more retreats and doing more group coaching programs, just really giving myself the freedom to be carefree in my business. And, even though it is a business, I can still have fun. And, Yeah. The stakes, I think mentally have just been so high for myself and I'm ready to just like have fun. And if something's not working, give myself permission to pivot and like experiment and just not feel like I'm a failure all the time. You know? And I think I, you know, quitting, going full-time and then going back to a 9 to 5, like just went through a lot of mental, like You're not good enough. You're never going to cut it. That was your one shot and you spent it. And so you're never going to get it back. You're not meant to be an entrepreneur. All these things that would go into my head. And I think that this trip was really healing for me because it just taught me I am here in the most beautiful place with my person and life can be whatever I make it to be.

Yes.

And like, I can create the lifestyle that I want. I can build the business that I want. Like, it was this like kind of reclaiming in a way of not like leaning back into those old mental patterns and just choosing a different, a different narrative. That's so powerful. So that's like, I mean, that, that's just a brief element, but like those are some big things I took away from this Those are huge.

It sounds like you had a moment of letting go. And then also something you said very powerfully at the end was the moment of choosing, right? So that mentality that you were in was perhaps more like when life is happening to you.

Right.

And it seems like whenever you went over there, you're like, well, actually, I also play a big part in this. So I want to now choose the life that I want to be. And it doesn't take away the fact that those other elements are still there and still are a part of life, like we were talking about earlier in the podcast. Like, it's still there. It's still popping up when you're moving forward in that direction of trying to be softer, of trying to get those goals in. But then you're like, well, no, let's stop right there. Let's remind ourselves of who we actually are.

Yeah.

what we were meant to be, that carefree energy. We can let go of the fact that if something doesn't happen, it has anything to do with our identity and it just has to do with work. And that's something I resonate with so much of what you were sharing because it's that element of learning how to be softer and like, okay, well, that didn't work out, then it's probably for the best. Let's pivot, let's move forward. And that's it. So excited. It's so crazy, the timing of this trip in your life and the season that you're in. And I love that for you. And I really would love to do like a follow-up 6-month episode on this, like, end of conversation of this podcast and just check in and see where Alexis is at.

Me too. I definitely, you know, when you're in the middle of something and you You know, whether it's hard, whether it's beautiful, whether it's everything you've ever wanted it to be, like there are those moments where you know that they're a catalyst for something else.

Yes.

Like something is being born here today that's going to grow into something else. And I definitely feel like this trip really held a lot of that for me. Like I just felt like it was a catalyst. And anyways, just book that trip, you know, like save the money, Make the plan. I will encourage you.

I'll be in your ear.

Like whatever it is that you're trying to seek inspiration. I was feeling very creatively stuck before this trip. And now I just feel really like I'm going to post the thing. I'm going to create the thing. I'm going to video it.

Who cares?

Like, and just kind of giving myself permission to show up and create imperfectly. Whenever you see everyone else create online soap, Perfectly. Well, they had a shitty first draft too, right? You know, and like that, giving yourself the permission to just start putting things out there more. Um, so yeah, it was a big trip for me. I'm super thankful for it. And this has been fun to kind of like reflect on some of the fun things, some of the serious things, and everything in between.

Everything in between. And I think one last thing that I'll share too is I feel like every time we've traveled, whether together or individually, we come back back with some kind of takeaway that we're like, wow, I needed that, or I want that in my everyday life. And you just shared what that was, what Europe taught you, and what you're bringing into your everyday life. And so to everyone listening, if you've been wanting to book a trip, whether it's a staycation or whether it's somewhere abroad, like, book it because it's going to teach you so much. Just being away, just disconnecting from everything and whether it might be, you know, lively experience or very quiet, it will teach you just so much. And that's something that I've actually noticed lately is I'm very comfortable traveling in the States, but I feel very nervous about traveling internationally, which is ironic because I'm not even from the States. But I am like, I know that's something that I want to do in the next year or 2, do that a lot more. And personally, I think I'm wanting to do a trip next year to Colombia and stay there for like a month or so. And mostly it's coming out of, I really want to reconnect with my culture. And when I went in 2019, it was one of those trips that unlocked so much for me. I felt so at home. I felt like I could fully be free and myself and not so, you know, corporate Astrid type of scenario. And I am now— I'm like, I think I want to tap back into that. Like, that is such a side of me. And that's where I come from. And so yeah, this is your sign to travel, to take the trip. Life's too short and learn from it. So thank you for tuning in today, friends. We're so grateful for you, grateful for this community. You can always connect with us online on Instagram or on Instagram @inbetween.pod. And then individually, my Instagram is @astridjohannaphoto.

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