The Five Key Mentors Every Business Owner Needs

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I'm Astrid, a multi-six-figure luxury wedding photographer and a former corporate marketing girly.

And I'm Alexis with 10+ years in tech as a senior brand partnerships manager and business coach. Think of us as your business besties cheering you on as you level up. Let's get into it.

Hello friends, and welcome back to another episode of The In Between Podcast. This is one of your hosts, Astrid.

And the other half of the pod, Alexis. Welcome back. We are really looking forward to today's topic around building your personal board of directors. So when Astrid first pitched this idea, I was like, wait, what? This is, this sounds so interesting. And I love this because we have talked a lot about the importance of healthy friendships, healthy mentorship, investing in coaching, investing in therapy. But now we're going to talk about this through a business lens and we're going to talk through how to cultivate meaningful mentorship relationships and professional support systems as you are growing your business. So before we get into today's topic, we're going to do a very, very quick life updates. And in-betweens, and then we will dig in. Um, do you want to do life updates first? Like, you want to go first?

Sure.

Go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

Okay. On my end, I had a big wedding this past weekend, literally like a 15, 16-hour day. Um, and it was the absolute cutest thing in the world. They had an intimate, um, almost like elopement version in front of the art museum. the morning of their wedding day, and then they had the full celebration in front of everyone. And it was just perfect for their ceremony, for their love, for their relationship. They just soaked in every bit of their wedding day. So yeah, so that's what I did. And then I rotted on Sunday and recovered because of that. And yeah, and finally got to shoot my first full film wedding day with my new camera, which was really fun. And also a learning curve. And yeah, and then right now just editing my life away through a lot of content, just have a lot of shoots. My team has a lot of shoots and we're just in full swing of the busy season start.

I love to hear it. And I'm glad that you're putting that new film camera to use. I know that you were excited to get your hands dirty, get in there and get practicing with it. So that's awesome. Okay. On this side, it's my birthday month. Yay for April. Busy month. I'm headed to New York this week for a special film project that I will tell you about in the next episode. I'm really excited to share more details about that. And then I have my big summit for Circle, the Creator Path Summit. I'm hosting a 2-day summit, all day Tuesday and Wednesday. And it's a sprint, baby, but I get so much energy from hosting and facilitating. So really looking forward to the killer lineup of speakers that we have and just learning from them and soaking in what's working right now in online business, how they're growing their audiences, their newsletters, their communities, their memberships. There's so much to always be learning. And a lot of that stuff does— it's fresh. And so I love seeing what is working right now. And then I'm hosting all my best friends in Houston. Houston. I'm so excited having a girly weekend. And then right after that, heading to Silicon Valley for your girl's first big keynote of her career, which I'm really looking forward to. More on that, I'm sure I'll share more in detail. But lots of crazy, amazing career, relationship, turning 32, lots of good things this month and just along for the ride. So that will lead into my in-between, which is, I know we did an episode about this a couple of weeks ago on keeping your business in check while you're traveling. And a part of that too is your mental health. And so I am right now in the middle of a very busy/intense season of my career and I want to be present. For every single moment of it instead of being like, I just got to get through. I just got to get through this. I know this is really busy. I just got to push through. And I am leaning on my habits, leaning on my movement, getting 8+ hours of sleep. My walking pad has really helped with my energy levels and feeling like I'm still getting some movement in while I'm working longer days. So that's been really important. But yeah, just in between That kind of knee-jerk reaction to be like, okay, I just need to like get through this next 30 days versus, hey, you've worked really freaking hard to get where you are so that you can have these experiences so that you can do these things, that you can work on these projects. So be in it, feel it, be present for it instead of being like, okay, I just like got to get through this week. So I don't want to like toxic positivity myself. into feeling optimistic. It's more so reminding myself of this is what I want, this is what I've worked for, I am incredibly grateful for it, and I'm gonna feel every moment of it. So that's what I'm in between right now. What about you?

Um, I am so freaking proud of you, dude. Like, not just the opportunities that you have, but how you've managed and how you are managing how you show up in those opportunities. And I think it's so easy to lean into the intimidation of an opportunity and be filled with anxiety and filled with anxiousness and just kind of scared of it, rather than— it sounds like you're filtering that through into more of a, in a way, positive energy. And it fuels you almost like that stage, you're about to go on stage and you get all the The excitement of showtime, baby. And I am so proud of you. I cannot wait to see your reflection after these next 30 days are done of looking back at how much you are growing week by week. So I'm so proud of you. I cannot wait to see all the projects that you're working on. She is a director. She's also a star in front of the camera.

I am so excited. I'll, I'll be dropping a behind the scenes video of the New York shoot and be able to share a little bit more about that. So I am really looking forward to that, but thank you for your encouragement and like truly being the best friend and like my ultimate encourager.

Oh, always, always. Um, on my end, I am currently in between a big, big team growth in my business. I feel like we are booking a lot more weddings, which is really exciting and And it's also a lot more work on the back end for me. And so just really focusing in on all of our client calls and creating specific mood boards for each shoot and how can we make this such a seamless experience for our sweet clients that it doesn't feel— I never want it to feel transactional just because I'm not there to shoot it. And I know my team is so intentional with it. And I also want them to feel that, like, um, I don't know, like that Astrid touch, which I feel like comes through those mood boards and how I edit and all of that. And so it's just the business is growing, which is really beautiful. And I'm also managing like all of that double the workload that happens just from my laptop during the week.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and like just honestly just dialing in my time management with that. So it feels exciting, um, honestly, because I have more weekends, and that feels very different for me. Um, but my weekdays are very long and I am, I'm happy about it, but I'm, I'm learning how to like manage this new workflow and longer workdays, um, that are more team focused than it is like just editing.

Yeah. Well, you, the Astrid touch, like the intentionality that you put towards every interaction. Every email, even like your new client boxes with the glass USBs and like they're etched and there's just so much thought and effort that goes into the experience that you're building. And I'm really proud of you and all the work that goes into that. So, but yeah, scaling and like more shoots for your, um, team means more editing for you. And so there's like the not double-edged sword, but it's like, okay, yeah. As this scales, my time also gets more intense, or, you know, the workload over here increases. So I'm excited to see what your systems look like in 12 months.

Yes.

Whatever this grows.

Very different.

And you can blow up. Yeah. Yeah, probably very different.

But also I am, and this is kind of going into a little bit of our topic for today. I'm also taking time to be grateful for, I am living the change that I wanted a year and a half ago or 2 years ago when I was thinking of having the team is like, I want to be home for more weekends, and it's happening right now. And so I feel like one of my mentees was the one that challenged me with that, of being able to not just think about, okay, this is great for me right now, but what does my life 5 years from now look like when all my weekends are booked? Is that actually what I want? And so diving into our topic for today, I feel like entrepreneurship starts very lonely. It starts with usually just you creating your business, running all of the things. And I feel like as you scale your business, as you grow your business, creating a very intentional quote unquote board of directors that can bring that support for you, that have walked the path that you've walked, that have just experienced a lot more things can really help you in building a more intentional life, perhaps in helping with avoiding burnout or overall just seeing how different you can build your business from how you've done it before when it was just you.

Yeah.

And so in today's episode, we're going to chat through what it looks like to build your own board of directors and how to choose them. And I know it sounds very corporate-y, but really we're taking the term and turning it into more of the entrepreneurial side of things. Which is just more intentional building or a more intentional way of building your business. Yeah.

Because if you're running a big company on the corporate side, you probably report to people and you probably have a board of directors. And the role of that is a level of accountability, a level of visibility into your work. And also it's a way for, you know, a group of people and their minds to come together and to solve problems. And to help accelerate the growth of a company, and each of those people that have a seat on the board have a certain set of skills that can help you grow and expand and get to that next level. And so, when we were thinking through, okay, what what does this look like if you were to break it down into five key kind of focuses for each board seat of your board of directors? We we thought that there were. Around 5 types of mentors or advisors. And we're going to first go through each one of those and kind of just speak to them quickly, some of our own experience with these types of mentees. And one thing I will say is you don't necessarily need to have all 5 of these at one time. I think you can build up to them over time. And there might be some times where you really lean on one of these during a certain season of your business. Versus other seasons of your business, you might lean more towards needing mentorship from a different type of mentor. And so we'll kind of go through that. So I don't want to set the expectation that you need to have all five of these, or that you need to be in touch or constant contact with all of them at one time. So the first one is the industry veteran, and so this is finding someone in your network who has. experience and domain expertise in the thing that you are trying to grow. And so if you are a photographer like Astrid, it's finding someone who has a couple of years, a decade, depending on what you're looking for, of experience in luxury wedding photography and asking them for, you know, hey, I would love to be mentored by you. And you recognize their domain expertise and you're like, okay, this is something I want to grow in. For me, whenever I was starting my coaching business, I remember immediately reaching out to a gal, an amazing woman who we've had on the podcast, Megan Minns, 5 years ago. And she was a coach. And I was like, I want to learn more about how to have a coaching business. And she was several years into coaching programs, group coaching, one-on-one coaching. And she had been doing it and had been a full-time entrepreneur for, I think at that point, like 6 years.

Wow.

And so I was like, okay, I need to lean on someone that's done this type of business. And I was able to lean on her kind of veteran experience in the space. Anything to add on the industry veteran?

The only thing I would add is I feel like some of the industry veterans that I've included in my board of directors, some of them have been people that I've actually reached out to that have one-on-one worked with me. And there's also been a lot that I have just purchased courses from or memberships to their groups, and those have been so beneficial. I feel like, for example, right now I'm really invested into this amazing photographer Annie Graham. I've taken a lot of her courses. I've been in her membership group. Now I'm in a more private membership group, and I could foresee myself, like, once I'm more ahead into what she suggests, booking a mentor session, like, by the end of the year or something like that. But it's— her mentor sessions are just so expensive that I would prefer to book that a little bit down the road. So all of that to say is it could be someone that you're chatting with and you're investing or doing one-on-one mentorships with. And it could also just be someone that you consume a lot of, like their education content, that you follow what they're doing really closely because they're sharing their expertise online in some way, whether it's paid or on social media. So the next one is the challenger. I love this one. We all need someone that pushes our thinking. I think this is huge as an entrepreneur because we are so emotionally attached to our business and we can be scared of like launching something that might fail or of expanding. And this was something that I personally needed whenever it was just me and, and I was navigating whether to expand into a team or not. And having someone talk, like speak into my life and be like, What if it's the best thing that could happen to you? What if your team absolutely kills it? What if they have great connections with your clients? And in a way, it like helps challenge that the business can run without me. And that can be a hard thing, a hard pill to swallow when it's your baby. And so who is someone in your life, whether they're in your industry or not? I feel like this specific role, it does not have to be industry specific, but are they great at challenging your ideas? Are they great at helping Ask the right questions that can help push you into that space? And can they truly listen to where it is that you want to go without imposing what they think that you should do in that position?

Yes. I love that last point because having an unbiased challenger, so someone who is challenging your thinking, they're, they are refining your thinking. They're asking a lot of those why questions. They're helping you think bigger. An important part of this is recognizing and hopefully having someone in that board of directors seat for the challenger role that isn't trying to project or impose what they think you should do. And that's a big piece of like discernment and recognizing, okay, I love their natural challenger, you know, behavior or the way that they think. And I also need to make sure that I am trying to work with someone or have someone influence my decisions that isn't biased towards, you know, a path they think I should take. And I think that does go in— I'm glad you brought that up because I think that applies to all 5 of these types of mentors. And also, you know, one person might fill a couple of these different archetypes, but just making sure that who you have in your environment is helping build your intuition, not helping you change your intuition to their own trajectory or to their own, like, this is what I think you should do. And so while I feel like I am a challenger to a lot of the entrepreneurial and just people in my life, I have tried to hold myself accountable of like when I am pushing someone or challenging someone, I also usually end with What do you think that you should do? Like, what do you think is right? What do you, you know, what is the next, next best step for you? And I think that's a helpful way to think through this role. But yeah, I, as a challenger, being challenged is really, really important. And I would put this actually as like one of my top seats of, you know, when I'm looking for someone to push my thinking, someone that comes to mind for me is a longtime friend and kind of Peer mentor Jake Kelfer, anytime—and he has a business called Big Idea to Bestseller—anytime over the last nine years of our friendship, we're on a call and he hears a limiting belief come out of my mouth, he immediately calls it out in like such a loving, supportive way. And he's like, "Why? Why do you think that? Why can't you do that?" And it's so important to like build that trust and muscle with someone. Who I know that he's doing that for my benefit and he's calling that out because he realizes that that limiting belief is holding me back. So love, love this one. The next one is the cheerleader. And this is so important. And like while having someone with domain expertise and having someone that pushes your thinking, it's also important to have someone who really will just cheer you on when you're coming to them feeling overwhelmed or you're feeling like filled maybe with some self-doubt or you're not sure which direction you want to go, having someone just purely cheer you on is so important. And I feel like this is something that you do for me, is like you cheer me on and you make me see what I'm capable of and you remind me of who I am. And having someone on your board of directors that can do this for you is kind of— this role to me is like they're holding up a mirror. They're like, you can do it. And then they're like holding up a mirror for you to look into and being like, look, like, look how far you have come. Look at where you are right now. Like, let's, let's kind of add some perspective. And I know things might seem overwhelming or it's been a hard week or a hard month or a hard year. And like, that cheerleading role is, is really important. And I, I appreciate how much you do this for me.

Oh, likewise. I feel like you have heard all of the emotional struggles, most recent one being my tax payment breakdown. And then the next day I'm like, actually, I'm fine. I can still go on the trip. But yes, I could not agree more. I feel like this has been a big one for me because I get really in my head. If something goes wrong, if something doesn't sell like I thought that it was going to sell, I start internalizing it as like I'm the problem and I'm not good enough. And maybe I'm just not cut out for this. Maybe I should just go back to corporate. And having those people around you that can call it out and be like, hey, this is a hard moment. What are you learning from it? And you are so qualified and can like not boost your ego, but remind you of who you are. And I think that is so powerful because You internally, I feel like as entrepreneurs, you're meant to be resilient on your own, but having the cheerleader to remind you of like who you are is just the sweetest thing. And I feel so grateful. I feel like most of my best friends, all of my best friends fill this role without even understanding the industry that I'm in. It's just like that solid reminder.

Yeah.

The next one is the connector. So it is a person that expands your network. It's the person that is very social. That knows everyone in every circle. And I feel like we all have that one friend that just like, they know a social media creator and they know the person that started a brand and they know a photographer and a videographer. And you're like, hey, I want to start a business. And they can connect you and be like, oh, I know a great photographer. I know a great videographer. I know someone that can help with this coaching. Have you heard of this podcast? And having a connector is so powerful because There's only, there's, there's only like so much that you can do on your own. And I feel like now with social media and research, you absolutely can find a lot of things. But I still think that that old school networking, that old school recommendation is so, so key. And that for me and my business has honestly been the wedding planners that I get to work with. And the more luxury that I want to go with my weddings, The more that they are the connectors for me and to step into those places. And I feel like in any industry, maybe think through who would be that connector, whether it's a friend, it's someone that you admire, or it's someone within your industry that actually has a role. Like in my sense, a wedding planner that can help expand your network and get you in the rooms that maybe you don't have access to. that is also going to help your business while also just building like a genuine relationship with them and not just using them, obviously.

Yeah, agreed. Yeah, we're looking at relational aspects here, not transactional. And I do think that having a connector and even being a connector, if you can, if you can position yourself as someone that wants to help, and when, if you can kind of build this skill in yourself and being known as someone that can help connect, People, oh, you need to know this person. You need to know this person. Someone that does this so well in my life is one of my best friends, Jessica Stedham. She is a brilliant photographer in Nashville. She knows everybody. Like I don't live in Nashville anymore, but when I did, anytime I needed anything, it was like, oh, who do you know? And she would boom connect me, and she just has that network. And a lot of that was geography. Oh my gosh, I can't talk.

Geographically.

Thank you. It was specific to Nashville. But if you're online, it doesn't necessarily have to be that way. And even in my work at Circle and brand partnerships, there are certain partners that I will ask, who should I be working with? Who should I know? And I lean on my connectors in a professional setting of they're like, oh, you need to know this person. You need to know this person. You should be working with this person. This person's creating really cool content. So I think that really helps expand your network and just kind of pushes you of like, okay, I need to know this person. I need to build a relationship with them and see how we can work together. Okay. The last seat and arguably one of the most important— they're all important, but this one is the accountability, the accountability partner. And this person in your board of directors is going to help keep you on track. They're going to ask you however, you know, whatever frequency you need, how that project is going, how you're making progress on, you know, this aspect of your business, how you're scaling. Oh, you talked about wanting to increase your prices last time we met. Have you increased your prices? Have you emailed your— have you emailed your clients? So this is such an important role because this person is purely in pursuit of your success. And is there and positioned to ask you those hard questions that sometimes it's hard for us to either follow through, we're busy, maybe we're overthinking something. And knowing that, hey, I'm going to be meeting with Astrid this afternoon, she's going to ask me, I better get this done.

Mm-hmm.

And so being with and around people that naturally hold you accountable, and not in a policing way, But in like a, hey, you mentioned this is really important. Where are you on it? Walk me through how the newsletter launch is going. What's, what's going on there? And where I have found this to be incredibly helpful is with coaching. And so this is something I help my clients with, but also when I've invested in coaching and even right now with the In Between Mastermind, having the accountability piece, monthly check-ins of, hey, how's this progress going with this specific project that you have you know, said that you wanted to work on, that is, I think, something that can help drive action and can push people to, you know, okay, I need to buckle down. I said I was going to do this. I'm keeping a promise to myself. And accountability partners can help you build confidence. So I think this is such an important role. And, um, I love this one.

Yeah, I love this one too. And I feel like As entrepreneurs, we are for the most part self-starters, and and also I think when we're growing, we can have crippling anxiety in actual execution of a project. And so if you identify and like feel like you sometimes get intimidated by a launch, maybe you just need accountability partner for a season where you're like, "Hey, I really want to do this one specific service. Will you hold me accountable for the next?" 2 months that I'm actually making the post, that I'm actually working towards it. So maybe it's a season accountability partner, or maybe you have one more long-term. But I think that what this does is that you're giving somebody else permission, access to follow up on the things that you said you were going to do, where versus maybe you are telling your friends that you want to do this one thing and they might check back in every once in a while just to see how things are going. But that is not an accountability partner that's holding you accountable to what you said that you were going to do. And so it's different. It's more specific to a goal and a thing that you want to accomplish and work through. And this has really helped me even just like in my personal life. My boyfriend and I do weekly goals. And as simple as if I'm falling off my routine with like my skincare or my morning routine and I had a bad week, I'm like, hey, okay, next week I'm putting this in the list and I want you to hold me accountable that I'm going to do this at least 5 days this week or 5 days. I'm going to like hit 10K steps. And he does. And we do that for each other. And that has really helped me move forward a lot in my personal life as well. So now that we've identified the different types of mentors or advisors that you can have in your board of directors, I think it's important to just take a step back and think who are those people in your life? Um, it could be a friend, it could be a mentor, it could be someone that you just look up to. And where are the gaps that you have in your business where maybe you don't have the emotional support right now, and that's something that you really need to look for, and that you can reach out to someone that you feel like has that compassionate aspect and could be your cheerleader? Or maybe you really need an accountability partner. So what is the next thing that you want to launch And who in your life do you know will actually follow up and not forget to be that person for you? And overall, just thinking, I guess, like taking a step back and thinking that you're not going to be a burden to somebody else whenever you're trying to fill this quote unquote board. But it's more realizing that you don't have to do it all by yourself. You are not perfect. You are a human being. And How can you get that support that you need from the people around you that want to give it to you, but you need to give them the permission first to fill some of those spots? And I do think you'll find they'll feel honored that you want them to fill some of those spots.

Yeah, agreed. I think also recognizing that there are certain roles for these mentors that do require an aspect of understanding business and understanding entrepreneurship. Um, I am very, I would say I'm a lot more aware than I was in my early 20s of like going to people for advice or even mentorship who weren't necessarily positioned to give me advice on what I was trying to build. Maybe they were great to ask questions or great to maybe fill that cheerleader emotional support role, but trying to ask for accountability or even like industry veteran or connector of like, hey, I am trying to work on this specific thing. If you're working with someone who doesn't really understand your industry or hasn't done or built something similar or adjacent to what you're trying to build or have built, it can be difficult to expect, you know, someone to fill that role. So I do think being really intentional about where you're seeking these kinds of, this type of mentorship from, and I'm a big believer in like, don't ask advice from someone whose life you don't want, or like who's built something that you're like, oh yeah, I don't want that. Doesn't mean that they don't have something to offer, but it just might shift the, um, level of importance that you might put what they say. So it's like, okay, I'm gonna rate, hey, you don't think I should do that, you think that's too risky. Okay, well, let's, let's put that in the context of the life that you've built or the business that you've built. Maybe that's worked for you, but that doesn't work for me. And so just be mindful of how much you apply certain levels of advice based on the source. The source of advice really matters. Um, in terms of finding these people, so I think this is where we do have to invite ourselves and, and kind of challenge ourselves to step outside of our comfort zone. Can you join a mastermind? Can you work with a coach? Can you join a networking group? Can you go to your local city, look on Facebook or Meetups or Instagram and find people who are in a similar industry as you that are getting together? Can you start something like that? And I think that we have to kind of push ourselves to get outside of our comfort zone, because if you do see gaps right now and there aren't necessarily people in your immediate life that can fill those, It is up to us to go out in search of them. And you don't have to do it all at one time, um, like Astrid said, but if you can identify, okay, I really need an accountability partner. I'm going to go on, I'm going to go on Instagram or I'm going to go on LinkedIn and I'm going to see who is in my city that's doing something similar. That's maybe at a similar size or stage of their business as you, as far as you can tell. And reach out to them, ask them for coffee, and if it goes well, be like, great, you want to do this monthly? And we set monthly goals and we meet together, we meet up every month virtually or in person. So I think that can be really helpful to step outside of your comfort zone, but also realize that this does require an aspect of work and an aspect of intentionality to build something like this that is really going to serve you and also them. Like, Anytime someone asks for my support, I am like, oh yeah, absolutely. Like, I would love to help. I'd love to support you. And so it doesn't have to be only in service of you. It's also what you can bring to the table and what you can offer, you know, someone else in return.

Absolutely. I think you brought up a great point of like finding a mentee or like finding someone that would fill this spot, but asking them for coffee First. And I'm just going to add a little note in here of like, if you think someone could be a great fit for one of these roles, but you don't already have a relationship with them, first starting with just like a networking opportunity, but to see if it's actually a good fit. Do you vibe with them? Do you feel like you can open up with them? Are they going to just project like what they would do in that position to you? And so I think that's also an important aspect and maybe maybe keep your cards a little bit closer to your heart if you're like, oh, this person could be a great connector, um, or they could be a great challenger, but like, let's, let's see if we actually vibe. And that like not everyone's gonna challenge in the same— in the way that you need it.

Mm-hmm.

And that's also really important. And so, um, whenever it comes to like building that relationship, I think that understanding that once you get to that point where you ask them to be that person for you and that accountability partner, that you also have to hold your end of the street. And you, if you're asking someone to take the time to mentor you, to challenge you, to be your accountability partner, like, are you responding to their texts? Are you doing the work? Are you actually like following through with what you said you were going to do? Because otherwise, sadly, you're just wasting somebody's time. And so being respectful of that. And I think just in general, like, How often do you want to be talking to them and establishing that? I think that if someone were to reach out to me for mentorship, that is just, you know, let's meet up for coffee and like one-on-one. It's not more of the structured mentorship that I offered. Like if someone were to ask me for weekly touchpoints, that would be too much of a commitment for me right now. But if they're like, hey, would love to meet once a quarter or like once a month, just like chat if I have some questions. I really admire you, blah, blah, blah. I would love to do that. And so keeping that in mind, and I think that when you reach out to someone and establish how often you want to chat with them, that can also help them being able to commit to working with you or mentoring you rather than assuming that it's going to be all the time.

Yeah. And I think now hopefully this episode has given you some language too of like these different board seats, quote unquote. So when you are seeking out someone, building that relationship, asking them if they'd be willing to play this role in your business, having that language. So when someone asks like, okay, this is the frequency and I would love to— for you to kind of be my industry expert. And so we can meet every other month and I can really pick your brain on the industry and we can get really deep in industry knowledge. And I want to answer these core questions and you coming prepared so that you can set expectations. That way this person knows what they're committing to and they feel like they can help you meet those expectations versus like, oh, I just want to meet and like talk about your career. Okay. Yeah. Well, that might be one coffee, but that's not really an ongoing like relationship touchpoint. And so I love that you brought that up, setting those expectations. Well, this was lovely. I love this topic and I feel like there are some gaps I need to fill. In my, in my own board of directors. But anything that you want to add before we close out?

No, I think just in general, a reminder that great businesses aren't built alone, and that it really does require a solid community to continue to grow. And so taking this as an opportunity to step out of your comfort zone and step out of your own brain to get that support that you need to continue growing your business. is important. And I think that you'll find that it's a lot more enriching on the other side of it too. So I hope that you all enjoyed this episode. We love you so, so much. And as always, you can connect with us on Instagram @inbetween.pod. And you can also connect with me @astrojohannaphoto.

And you can connect with me @alexistechmiller on Instagram. We love you. We know there are a lot of business podcasts out there. Thank you so much for listening to ours and being part of The In Between. Community, go build your personal board of directors. We can't wait to see what you build and what you take away from this episode, and we will catch you next week.