#79 Processing and Personalities Myers Briggs | Recovery Secrets Series

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All right, we are live here. Welcome everyone to our Recovery Secrets daily coaching call. It is great to be here with each and every one of you on this awesome Wednesday morning. We'll give everything kind of a minute to connect up here, but if you're going to be joining us live, feel free to say hey in the chat box there so that we can welcome you and engage as we go throughout the session here today. This lovely man Good morning, everybody.

My name is Brad. If you are new, welcome. Great to have you here. Have you here? If you are old, welcome back. Today we are talking about processing. Wednesday is all about processing. And today we're going to be kind of talking about a kind of newish discovery that we, we kind of just, I guess, stumbled upon, but we're going to be talking about how personality types affect the way that you will process moving forward. So how you can analyze your personality type to identify what your strengths and weaknesses are in regards to processing trauma. And this will be very enlightening for you because Kayleen and I are essentially opposites when it comes to our personality types. Like, we'll, we'll, we'll get into that. We'll share that, our personality types and everything. But hopefully you guys were able to go through and take that test. If not, that's okay. You can always do that afterwards and do the analysis. But that's kind of what we're talking about today. It's going to be super interesting. It's going to be super fun. You're going to hear kind of some unique idiosyncrasies from, from the, from both of us. But yeah, I'm excited to dive in.

Yeah, this is a topic I've been really excited for since we kind of decided on it. It's really hot in here.

It is hot. They fixed the air conditioning this, this week and it's hotter.

Yesterday they did that.

Yeah.

So this is a topic that since we started kind of talking about it and discovering where our strengths and weaknesses were in regard to processing, it's our conversation vid. It was— it's been really, really interesting, and it's been on my mind in regard to kind of sharing this information. So if you didn't get the chance to take the 13 pers— 16, what is it?

16.

16 Personalities. It's, it's a Myers-Briggs test. I encourage you to do so after the session here today. What we're going to talk about, you're going to see Brad and I are complete opposites in regard to personality, which is kind of cool because you get both perspectives. But I encourage you to do that after the session here today so So that you can kind of take what we are talking about and apply it. If you have, feel free to share in the chat box there what your personality type was, the letters that it kind of spit out for you, and, uh, we'll be able to kind of engage here throughout the session. So let me just welcome everyone. Good morning, Tony. Good morning, Mimi, Jen, Judy, Lorena, Jeanette. Great to have each and every one of you here this morning. Yeah. Awesome.

This morning.

This morning.

Awesome.

Awesome. Cool. Awesome. So feel free to share in the chat box what your personality Is in regards to the letter. So Brad and I are going to write ours up on the board and then we'll kind of talk.

Go. I was going to finish. I was going to chime in when you were done. That's it. Okay. Write your, your 4-letter thing, your 4-letter personality. And like I said, kind of earlier this week, you want to pay attention to the percentages as well, because you, you might be like, in theory, you could be 51%, you know, on one side and we'll name you that personality type, but really you're only 1% different. So you're basically kind of right down the middle. So the percentages are really important as well to look at that, to see how much you are of each kind of type. So what we're going to do here is what I'm thinking is we're going to write me over here, you over here, and then we're going to write our percentages here right next to them. Do you have your percentages? Yes. All righty. I've got mine. All right.

You lay it out how you want it. So we have a couple of different in the chat box here. Jeanette sharing INFP, Amy sharing ISFJ, Judy sharing INFJ. This is so hard for me because I'm just like sharing INFJ, ISFJ, right? Okay. So you're, you're in the middle on those 2, or on the N and the S, which is interesting.

So what are you?

So I am—

So you can just read it out to me. Okay. So this is me. You have your percentages too?

Yeah, you do. Cool. So I am ISFP. If you want to write that down.

Okay.

Percentages. First one is 69%, 91%.

Oh my God.

81%. Wow.

51%. We got an extreme person over here. Dang. Look at that. I didn't realize, I didn't realize you were 91% on sensing. I mean, we're both pretty hard on either side.

So let's define these letters. That's why for those of you who don't know kind of what these letters mean, let me just. Need to refresh here for a second. So can you define what each letter means?

Let's pull it up. It'll be easier if we just get a short description of each, just so I don't, I don't mess it up. I can tell you like the first letter is either an I or an E. So up here, we're both I, that means we're introverts. So that's introvert versus extrovert. And most of us know what that means, but introvert generally means you're more, you're more, you're more interested in your internal world than the external world. So a lot of people think it's, it's like, You know, if someone's shy or not, I mean, that definitely comes, comes into play where like, if you're an introvert and you go to a social party, it probably drains you more than it does an extrovert. Where like an extrovert, if you went to a social party, you probably feel really, I don't know what this feels like, but you would gain energy. You'd get a lot of energy from it. And I do get energy to a degree from it. So then the next one here. So we're both introvert. That's our one quality where Kayleen and I are the same. The next one down here, I'm intuitive and Kayleen is sensing, right? And almost 100% sensing. So you can think of like intuitive is, is more of like focusing on the big picture, admires creative ideas, things like that. Sensing is focusing on the details and specifics versus the big picture, admires practical situations. So much more like here and now versus like, you can think of it like Keelin as like an executor, like what, what can we do right now? And then me more of like a big picture, I guess, more overall strategy, which is like 100% true when it comes down to like how we deal with things anyways. And then this third one here is thinking versus feeling. So this is what we're going to be focusing on today, but thinking is more about you have a strength in logic, reasoning, making, looking and making decisions objectively. So looking at things rationally. Versus feeling is, you know, basically making decisions based off of your feelings. And in, in, in the case of processing, you're able to feel your emotions more and things like that. And then the last one down here is judging versus perceiving. And the judging is, you know, I like to have things settled, take responsibility seriously, pay attention to time, you know, have things kind of organized. And then perceivers are more like to keep their option open. I like to say chaotic.

Yeah.

A little more chaotic with things. So that's kind of like the overall of kind of the personality types and our breakdown right here. So it's good. We got some people in here. We, Lorena, we got an ENTJ, very similar to me. That's good. So you guys can, so like I said, the main focus we're going to have here is going to be on this.

And you can see Brad and I are basically exact opposites in regard to this, right? So he's 79% thinking. I'm 81%. 81% healing, right? So those percentages are really, really close. So you can see we're at either ends of the spectrum basically on everything. The thing that has changed— so I just took this yesterday, so this is me as of yesterday. So honestly, these were all probably— these 3 were all even higher, you know, when I had taken this kind of the first time or when I was still hurt. And this one was even higher as well. So where I changed was this last one here. But again, we are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum in regard to Everything, everything. It's just recently that this one here has changed recently in the past couple years that this one here has changed. So I know we have a couple more here. So Delaine sharing ISFP. So that's me too, Don.

Awesome.

Jen sharing INFJ. And then yesterday it was INF. Oh, so INFJ T and then INFJ A. So that's awesome as well. So you'll see them fluctuate throughout. I mean, a little bit, right? Because it's a test and it depends on— it's going to even depend on how you feel that day, right? So I actually have a feeling that for me yesterday when I took it, it was so high. We just went to a wedding this weekend and I'm still kind of feeling like the positive emotions of that wedding, right? And just like really still in an emotional state from the amazing weekend that we had. So that's kind of all going to come into play here. But like Brad said, we're going to focus on On these 2 things here. And again, you can see we're complete opposites in regard to this. And even though we've both completed our healing journey, these things actually haven't changed. But this is a really good opportunity to, to look at where strengths and weaknesses in the healing journey might lie. Now, if you find yourself like right down the middle on either of these, like a 51%, 52%, you're probably gonna just have overall More success in regard to the healing journey and everything that we do in regard to processing, because you're, you're more right down the middle. But regardless of what end of the spectrum you kind of fall on here, you're going to see maybe where you need to spend more time in regard to developing skills.

So this, this is important because when it comes down to processing, as you guys have heard us say again and again and again, there's an emotional piece and there's a logical piece. If you are Like Kayleen, and you have a strength in, in feeling, right? If you have a high percentage of your personality type being under the F, which is feeling, you'll have an easier time. And these are, these are, this is just like a starting off point. You will likely have an easier time processing the emotional part of your journey, but you'll have a harder part doing the logical part of the processing, right? Which for you, you like where you see the most benefit is doing the logical work.

Yeah.

Right.

So for my entire journey, and this is why this kind of conversation came up, is I felt like our journeys looked very, very different in regard to the processing that we actually did, or like how that processing looked, right? So I had kind of made a comment to Brad basically saying like, it felt like your journey was like so much emotion in regard to your processing. Like it was just constantly— and you hear him talk about, you know, Excuse me, throughout our Recovery Secrets sessions that, you know, he really presses hard on, like, you need to build releasing emotions as a skill. You need to, like, episode 13, I think it would, like, you need to go back, you need to watch this. And you hear him press on that all the time and you hear me press on that less. And that's because our journeys looked very different. So where he had to build a lot of skill, right? Because he's very much a thinker, which means for the logical part of the journey, he's kind of got that down. He understands that almost intuitively. Yeah. That's a skill that he has had and he has based on his personality. The emotional part, though, was a skill that he needed to build. Build, right? So he was very, very weak in that area. So if he's 79% thinking, that means he's only 21% feeling, which means that's a pretty weak area. And with processing, with healing, we need both areas. We need to understand the logical part of what's going on, right? Because what happens when we process something is there's a belief change, which is logic, and then there's an Emotional release, which is of course emotion. So we need both pieces of this in order to kind of be successful. So for his journey, it looked like him building this skill of being able to get in touch with and release and kind of feel his emotions, which he didn't. Not he didn't have emotions, but he didn't have that skill before. For my journey, right, emotions were no problem for me. Now what's kind of interesting about this is I don't feel like my recovery journey or I don't feel like my processing was actually very emotional because I would express emotion. I don't want to say like constantly, because the expression of emotion doesn't always mean like you're broken down, like crying, but I would express emotion more consistently and frequently and fluidly. So I didn't really have this big, basically, buildup.

It came more naturally.

It came more naturally. And so when I was doing the processing, was there some emotion? Sometimes, yes. But what it was more for me, the processing was more logic-based, right? Because I have 81% feeling. That means I only have, what, 19% basically thinking or logic. And so the majority of my time in my processing was not necessarily emotional. The majority of the time I spent processing was me doing a processing tool and then kind of having like a click moment. The emotions were very natural for me to release, but what, what was missing for me was that logical piece.

So you felt that like you were still releasing emotions though? Right. As you were doing the logical kind of processing work, were you releasing emotions? It just like, you didn't have to put as much kind of like effort or concentration into it?

Well, that's what I think is funny is it wasn't, not always. And honestly, the majority of the time it was almost very unemotional for the most part. And so it's not that there were no emotions. It's just that what like needed to be done was that logic, that switching of logic. And so If it was emotional, like on a scale of 1 being not very emotional and 10 being like the most emotional you can get, it probably hovered around like 1 to 4 for me, right? And so the emotion, again, it's not that it wasn't there, it was just like a very, very low caliber. And the majority of the process and like the results was like logic-based.

And I think maybe what attributes to that is that, you know, Throughout your, your life, you were, you were releasing emotions, right? It's like, Kaelin can cry at movies. It's like, it's, for me, it's just, it's exceptionally hard for me to cry or release any sort of emotions. That's why I had to really work on building that skill. But for you, it's like, remember you would, you would be sleeping and you'd be, you would literally cry. Like, I feel like you would release emotions in your sleep. And I'm like, how do you even do this? Like, you're like, you're literally crying and doing process, like emotional release processing. In your sleep. And I'm like, and then you wake up and you don't even remember that you did it. I'm like, so like you're, you're releasing emotions, but you release it more naturally over, like your heart is more open, like the majority of the time. So like when the emotion comes up, it more, more likely will come out, which I believe when you go to do the, the actual processing work, the overall emotional level is lower.

Right.

Right. So that it only stays between that 1 and 4, and you can focus on the logical part, which is your weakness. Right.

Right.

So you had to spend more time on the logical processing.

Yeah.

Really focusing down on that and shifting those beliefs, kind of doing that kind of manual logical work.

Yeah. So in that processing time, it would, the majority of it was logic, but outside of that processing time was kind of where the release of emotion happened. And if you think of it, it was like, we have a saying, not like a saying, but something that's dripped means it just kind of happens slowly and in little pieces. Right. And so. Basically, the release of emotion for me was like dripped, which means like I could be, you know, just— I could just go for a good cry and just like be crying for a couple minutes in the car, and then that would be it, right? Versus like for your journey, his release of emotion was like, that's what he was doing.

It's like nonexistent.

For an extended period of time in his processing, right? And so instead of being dripped kind of slowly throughout days and weeks and months and years like it was for me, where I could just, you know, Cry it out, feel what I was feeling, and then kind of move on from that, but was missing the logical piece. He had the logical piece and understood everything logically, but had to make time. So in his processing, it was a much more intensely emotional thing. So instead of a 1 to 4, I mean, you can kind of rate it for yourself in regard to that 1 to 10 scale, but it was a sustained period of time of mostly emotional release.

Yeah, it's probably a 3 to 10. Honestly, because that was the only time that I could release my emotions. And I'll, I wanna kind of cue in here too, that just because you have a deficiency in something doesn't mean that you don't need to build the skill of the other side. Because I have, I have worked with and met people who are, had high feeling percentages in their personality and they still had to develop this like this. They still had, had to develop the skill of releasing emotions because they just built up the habit of, of shoving everything down. So like, it, it doesn't mean you ignore the skill. It just means your processing sessions might look a little different. And this might also give you a little bit more insight into how you tick into, and to kind of just accepting, okay, I need to, I need to do a little bit more of this. Hey, this comes a little bit more naturally to me, but there's skill development on both sides. Like I still needed to learn all of the processing tools for logic because before I didn't have anything, right? Like no one's born with the processing tools. Like you still need to learn them. You still need to learn the skills. It's just how, how are things going to differ for you. And then you can kind of just accept that, like your unique circumstance, you know, 'cause that was always something that was confusing for us. 'Cause I was like, why does it look so different? You know, like why, why for you, are you focused on the logic? Which kind of like, it makes sense. 'Cause you would, your heart was more perpetually open, like day to day. So you were just kind of letting the emotions flow more naturally. Whereas me, it was like an absolutely closed door. So that's kind of like another indicator as well. On where you'll kind of need to build the skills. But it's very interesting.

And I want to point out that what you might find— and again, this is not like a perfect process. You're going to need to build skills on both sides for the most part. Even I had to, you know, there were times when I found myself kind of more closed off where I had to build the skill of like, okay, like being less closed off, right? So, but what you'll find is that you might want to spend your time on one tool versus another, right? And so if you find yourself over on the side of like Brad's side, where you're, you're a high percentage of thinking, you might actually want to use a tool that is more based on feeling. So a tool like the protector tool that we, we talked about. If you find yourself more on my side where it's a high percentage of feeling, you might want to use a more logic-based tool where you use the challenging beliefs tool that we talked about. And so the variety in the tools, now you might just find naturally where you're like, oh, like the belief tool, like that is like That's what works for me. And like, when I get done with that, I feel like so much better and my stress level goes down and all sorts of stuff like that. So you might have already discovered that, but if you haven't already, I encourage you basically to, and it's not always intuitive to do this, to do the thing that you're weakest at. So for me, right? So I'm high emotional or high feeling. What I wanted to do in my processing was the emotional things because they were a lot easier for me. But they didn't, not that they don't work, but they don't necessarily move the needle the fastest because what I actually need is more of something logical. So I need to make those logical kind of connections.

Mm-hmm.

So even though beliefs, like, because it was logical, it was more of a weakness. I remember learning this in, in school and I remember learning this lesson. I think I was in elementary school, maybe I was in middle school. And I was like, Dad, we're playing ping pong, waiting for the bus. And I was like, Dad, can you quiz me for my test today? And I had a list of things. I had written notes, right? And I had written basically questions for him to test me on. And then at the bottom, I had written the questions that I didn't yet know the answer to, right? So I was weakest at that. And he started reading questions and he, you know, he skipped around and he asked me one of the ones that I didn't know. I was like, no, no, no, don't read those. Read the ones on the top. And he was like, what do you mean don't read those? Like, isn't this test today? And Those are the things that you need to focus on. You need to focus on the areas that you don't, you know, all these other ones and it's fun to get things right, but you already know them. You don't need to focus on them so much. And so that's something to think about in regard to the tools as well. Kind of getting good at the, if you're on more on my side, getting good at the beliefs tools, the belief, the challenging beliefs tool might really, really help you. Or getting good at the introspective healing might really, really help you start to build this skill.

Mm-hmm.

of more logic-based. And then on the other side, you might be drawn to the logic tools, right? And so building the skill of doing the protector work might really, really help you again, like build that muscle and get better and better at those weaker areas.

I love that. This is such, this was such like a huge thing for me because for the longest time I tried to just shift things on a logical level, right? And I was missing the piece where my weakness lied was on the emotional level. And the biggest lesson that I had to learn for myself was that not, not everything is logical, right? Emotions by nature are not logical. And for me, I was like, that doesn't make sense. I'm not gonna feel that. Right. And it wasn't necessarily a conscious thing, but like when I would do the, the processing, emotions would come up and I'm like, that what this emotion is telling me is not true. It doesn't make sense. So basically that's just not valid and I don't need to. I don't need to, like, you're not right. You're just not right. So like, why would I even feel you? Because it's not, it's not rational. It doesn't make any sense. And that was, that was a big skill development for me on the other side was like, I had to be honest with myself and be like, it doesn't matter. Like not everything is rational. And the way to process trauma is not to just, at least for me, right. Was like, not just to basically ignore all my feelings because they didn't make sense would be the way to do it was to let them go. And allow them to come out, allow them to be released, even if they didn't make any sense. And then from there, once I released the emotions that were by nature irrational and illogical, they were saying things that just weren't even true. Once I let those things out, the shift to the actual logical belief was easy. And then I could start building that emotional, the emotional references around the, the, the new logical belief. So that was the biggest thing for me. I don't know if there was a big, big kind of a like thing for you, but that for me, for, for people who are like me, who may be, you know, stronger on the thinking side, was like, not everything is logical. Like there are things that emotions by nature do not make sense. Gotta have to let, like, come to peace with that. Let that go. But then after you let it go, you're able to think more logically.

So on the direct opposite side of that, right? Because we are direct opposites. My journey looked different. Right. And so. where I would, I was feeling and kind of, this is my personality type, right? Uh, feeling and kind of trusting emotions over logic. And so it could be something small, and this is what I had to learn, right? So something small, maybe like normally Brad makes me coffee in the morning and he didn't one day. So emotionally my, I would be like, okay, well, like he must be mad at me. He must not love me anymore. Right? And so while they're, they're of like, it's easy to see like, okay, of course that doesn't make any sense, but that's a lesson that I had to learn is like, okay, hold on. All that happened. So here's the logic part, right? So emotionally, I was like, he's mad at me, he doesn't love me. And I had to take a step back and say, okay, well, what is actually going on? And what's really going on is like, hold on, he just didn't make me coffee. Maybe he didn't have time. Maybe this has nothing to do with his love for me, right? And that's just the emotion that I feel based off of this action, right? So I had to take a step back and really start to see things logically. And that's a skill that I built and a skill that really helped me in processing. So where Brad had to say, okay, hold on, what are the emotions? And let's just feel them even though they don't make sense. I had to basically do the opposite and say, okay, hold on, these emotions are just emotions. They are real and valid, but there's something else here too. And this might not be something that makes sense in a wholesome way. Right?

Yeah.

And just taking a step back and I mean, it was really helpful for me in this area to like take, take a third-party perspective.

Mm-hmm.

Right. And like, what would I advise a friend if my best friend called me up and was like, oh my God, like my girlfriend didn't make me coffee this morning. She normally makes me coffee. I'd be like, slow down. Like, hold on. Right? Because you're wrapped up in it. So I had to learn how to take that step back and think more logically. Again, because we're at opposite ends of the spectrum here, he had to learn how to be more emotional. And actually that helped our relationship a tremendous amount because we're so opposite. Because there would be times where I would wanna kind of sit and just like feel my feelings with him and be like, okay, this is how I feel. And he would take all of that as reality, right? And so I'd be like, I feel like when you don't make any coffee, you don't love me and you don't care about me. And he would be like, how could you possibly feel that way? Right? And it would actually cause a lot of distress between us.

I would take it seriously.

Because he would take it 100% seriously. But what I knew and didn't understand at the time is I just felt that way. But I knew it wasn't a representation of how he felt. And so when we were both able to kind of build the opposite skill, we were able to come to the table and say like, okay, like, like separate feelings from logic and be able to, as a team, when it was appropriate, express feelings and then explore the logic and see what was actually kind of true, which was really, really neat.

Yeah. So much of it just didn't, did not make any sense that like, when you, when you brought that up, I was like, oh my gosh, I remember that. I was like, I was like, what do you mean? Like, that doesn't make any sense. I just remember thinking that all the time. But I want to, I want to point out one of the biggest kind of shortcomings of the Myers-Briggs in general, even, even in just the way that we're talking, is, is very binary, right? Like I, I'm logical and I'm giving you all the examples of where, you know, logic, you know, failed me and whatnot. And Kayleen's give you, or where, where I wasn't good at emotions and then Kayleen was. Saying like all the places where she was weak in her logic, but she's not 100% feeling and I'm not 100% thinking. And I don't think really, I mean, maybe there's some people, but the vast majority of people are not 100% of anything. And it's very easy to get like, get this output, like I'm an INTJ, and then believe you are 100% of all these things and thinking that it's 100% binary because we have weaknesses on both sides. This is like, I, I wanna make sure that that's readily apparent because it is easy to fall into thinking that these are 100%, 100%. This is binary, this is binary, but it's gray areas. Like we both have faults and weaknesses in logic and emotion. It's just that one of us is a little bit stronger in the opposite. So that's an, I think that's an important just kind of— Yeah.

And on that note, right, just cuz whatever it spits out, right, even this like is not representative of who I am and the way that I think now, even though this says 81% feeling. That's not the case, right? I'm an extremely logical thinker now, and I operate very, very differently than this would kind of imply. And even this last one here, when Brad kind of explained the types, right, I would actually say I'm way, way, way more J, way, way, way more judgment in regard to some of the qualities that it represents. So whatever this, you know, spits out, it's just kind of an interesting thing to maybe start to explore. Especially in regards to these letters here, what to expect and maybe where to kind of jump off in regard to your processing. Like we talked about those tools, right? So if you're more on my side, maybe go towards a more logical tool. If you're more on Brad's side, go towards a more emotional tool to build that skill. But these letters, no matter what the percentage is, they don't mean that you can't change. Even if you take this 5 years from now and nothing has changed, it doesn't, it doesn't actually mean that you haven't changed.

Mm-hmm.

This is a test, okay? This is a multiple choice test that only has So many outcomes, right? How many? 16, right? 16 outcomes. We're human beings. We're a lot, lot more than that. So again, it doesn't mean you can't change, and we both change tremendously in regard to our personalities, but it's a cool thing to explore, to kind of understand yourself deeper and see what the journey would look like deeper. And I want to point out something that I think is actually kind of interesting. You know, what you see for me, just because you can see this right now, right? And I think this is interesting. What you see from Nate, me, as this end of the spectrum is I never have notes in front of me and I always kind of go and I, I speak basically from my heart. I speak from like a more emotional kind of sense. Now, it doesn't mean I'm not logical. I just have those things in my head basically. Whereas on the other end of the spectrum, you always see Brad writing notes and having notes and referring to his notes because he's more of kind of a thinker and he's more on that logical side. So I just thought that was an interesting maybe difference that you can like starkly see.

Mm-hmm.

And has been very apparent. Obvious in our Recovery Secrets sessions is even the way that we do basically anything is different, but we've brought both of those things to each other. So I know since we started doing content together, Brad is a lot more comfortable, and I'll speak for you, but you can tell me if I'm wrong, is a lot more comfortable kind of talking off the cuff. The notes used to have to be a lot more detailed, and I make mental notes where I didn't before and have a lot more organization. It just looks different for us. So that's kind of I don't know, just a stark difference. You talked about at the beginning, like idiosyncrasies.

Yeah.

That, that we have.

I still prefer notes. I still prefer having very detailed notes so I know exactly what I'm going to cover to ensure that I give the best possible outcome.

But there you go.

And then Kaelin's like, well, you know, like when you, like sometimes when you overplan things, like you miss like the kind of off the cuff kind of things that like the intuitive things that wouldn't naturally come from just planning.

The things that naturally fall into place as the conversation continues. And so I do very, very loose notes. And of course, depending on the content, it's content we've taught again and again and again and again, right? So it's just kind of second nature that notes aren't needed, but very, very loose notes, especially in a setting like this. When we surveyed you all, you preferred this kind of setting where it was, uh, more of a conversational thing. It allows things to kind of fall into place when it's not so structured. And we've, uh, we've even had that experience where we've gotten done with an episode and we've been like, oh man, like it was too structured. It was, it was too many notes and too much agenda.

Right.

Mm-hmm. Where we didn't really kind of get the back and forth in the engagement. So anyway, something to think about in regard to your personality. So if you're more on Brad's side, I highly, highly encourage you to do more emotional tools. Specifically, I highly encourage you to work with the protector tool and build that as a skill. If you're more on my side, I highly encourage you to dive into the belief, the challenge of beliefs tool, as well as the introspective healing tool. Because that's going to help you build that skill more and more.

And I encourage you to use all the tools and then you'll likely find that what she's saying is correct, that those will, will give you the biggest kind of bang for your buck and your time. It'll be the most, most efficient way forward. But like there were, Kayleen had breakthroughs using emotional tools. I had breakthroughs using logical tools. So that's, that's why I'm going back to, I'm always bringing it back to like, these are strengths and weaknesses. It's not. binary. It's not 100%, 100%.

Okay. So that, sorry, that okay came out wrong. That came out wrong.

Okay.

Okay. So let's see, in regard to our thinking and feelers, definitely give us some feedback on what you are in regard to thinking and feeling specifically, right? So if you can put like T or F and then your percentages, that would be awesome so that we can continue kind of the conversation on that. And if you've found, if you've been working with the tools a while, if you found kind of what we said today Resonate, or if you've, or if it didn't resonate and you have a different experience, we'd love to hear all of that as well. So definitely let us know in the chat box there. Again, specifically these letters here. And yeah, we'll continue the conversation. But also, if you have any questions about what we talked about here today, feel free to ask them. And tomorrow we're going to talk more about relationships and addictions. And Friday we are going to talk about whatever you voted on, which is in the Facebook feed. So if you haven't voted yet, make sure you go and do that. Voting.

I think there's a clear winner so far.

Yeah, I'm seeing that as a theme as well, which is good, which is interesting. Brad's personality type is very unique. He actually— I think you're the rarest.

Am I?

I think you're the rarest.

I think a female of my personality type is the rarest. I don't know if I'm the rarest, actually.

You're up there in the—

it's up there. I don't think it is the rarest.

And I think in my suggestion, it's like, who would you— because it gives you relationship suggestions. And I'm pretty sure I remember way back when—

Stay away from INTJs.

Yeah, it was like, don't— not INTJs. Like, not INTJs.

They will emotionally destroy you.

Yeah, it will wreck your life, basically.

Yeah, well, pretty accurate.

It worked out. It worked out, obviously. And I'm pretty sure yours is like, stay away from—

Oh yeah, if you want peace in your life.

We balance each other out.

But if you enjoy pain—

Opposites attract.

If you enjoy pain, I mean, go for it.

Judy's sharing, I love this because there's really no wrong answer and it's so fun to look at. My husband and I are pretty opposite Too, and it works pretty well.

This, right? Yeah. This was, this was huge for us to get to know each other. Because even though like this test isn't 100% right, it gave us a jumping off point. Like I remember when we did it for the first time, we sat down on our couch. We both, you know, took out our computers separately. We both did it. And then we went through on this, on this website and we read through the different traits, right? So they give you like descriptions on, you know, goals, personal growth, relationships, things like that. And we read through that together and then it helped me help Kayleen see that how I thought and how I operated. And not everything they give you is 100% true, right? They're general generalities, but they gave a jumping off point for a deeper conversation for me to communicate how I actually thought, which was challenging for me to do. And same thing with her. She was able to, after she filled it out, we were able to read through it and I was able to understand her at a deeper level because You know, what was written there gave her a deeper insight into what was true for her, and it allowed her to communicate that with me so I could understand her. So I could be like, okay, sometimes Kaylee just needs to cry, and that's okay. And it doesn't mean it's, you know, 100% true. It's just something that needs to be let out, and I need to be like, that sucks.

Like, that was a huge skill, game changer for our relationship.

If you're in a relationship, man, and someone's sad, just say, I am so sorry. That sucks so much.

Because she'd be like, well, why? Well, what can we do to fix it? I'm like, Hey, I don't need to fix it. And I didn't understand that I didn't need to fix it. Right. So that was a really helpful exercise for our relationship. But again, so we sat there and we read each other's, and I would say, like, I would be reading his and be like, okay, is this true? Is this like a true representation of how you think and feel? And he'd be like, yeah, like, for sure. Right. And so the times where I thought he was just being very short, that was just like, it wasn't that he was being mean. It wasn't that he was being rude, where maybe someone in my personality type would expand a lot on the way that they're thinking or feeling. He was— that's just part of his personality where when he's done with something, he's done with something, right? And so we've shared this before, but like when we'll be having a conversation in bed before bed, and when Brad is tired, he'll just be like, good night. He'll just say good night. That's it. Good night. At first, I really— I— it really, really hurt me when he did that because I was like, we're in the middle of a conversation. Like, we can't even finish this conversation. But he, like, once he felt kind of sleep setting in, he didn't want to. make themselves stay awake. And so it's something that I learned to love, and it's something that I learned to understand that had nothing to do with me and was just him expressing whatever he needed to express in that moment. Right. So it was a really helpful exercise to be able to do. So if you have a partner or if you just want to learn a little bit more about yourself, understand that some things are going to be right on the mark, and then some things are going to be way off the mark. And don't box yourself in, but it can be a ton of fun.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's something that people, people, uh, you know, kind of write this off altogether, say it's completely inaccurate and things like that. And it isn't inaccurate. Like there's not going to be a test out there that's going to be perfectly accurate, but it can give you a deeper insight. And I would recommend if you're in a partnership to do this together, it'll be very eye-opening to learn, to learn about the other person.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I made my parents do this, my brother, and I forget exactly what they were, but at the time I was like reading more about them and it was, it was interesting.

Were they all feeling?

I don't remember.

Everybody except for your brother.

A lot of feelings here. Oh, I think he was an INTJ actually. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of actually my closest, he is. And then I have a best friend who's an INTJ as well.

You just like love pain, don't you? Personality. Don't, don't be with INTJs. That is the person you don't want to be with. And then all your friends.

I think, but I really think INTJs have to be with my personality type.

Why?

Because I take the time to like get to know you and understand you and love you and You'd work with all your idiosyncrasies and craziness.

And I think other personality types would be like, no, I think everybody else is crazy. I'm just kidding.

Judy sharing, I understand about being so emotional that when processing, it kind of helps to be more logical sometimes because the emotions can get in the way sometimes. Totally opposite of my husband, right? So that's, that's why we wanted to kind of bring this topic up, because it can be really helpful insight. And because we were so different, and for a long time we couldn't understand why. And this isn't necessarily Exactly why, you know, we're like that because we're human beings and we have different life experiences, but it's a really great jumping off point.

It is.

So we have an 89% feeling, 77% feeling, 67% feeling, 72% feeling, 59% feeling, 51% feeling. So that's right down the middle. 97% feeling. Nice, Jen. That's, that's a high number. That's awesome. Same with Mimi, 91% feeling. Awesome.

That's a lot, Judy, sharing a lot of feelers.

That's a lot of feelers. A lot of feelers. When I took this test a few years ago, I didn't really see how awesome it is to see how different we all are and how great that actually is. That's one of the things, like, I think we assume that people think and feel the way that we feel, right? Because, like, when, when we met and we started dating, like, I just, as a human, I think we just assume that, right? And so I just assumed that, like, he would feel the way that I would feel and he would need to express his emotions in the exact way that I did at times, or he think the way that I thought, and that is totally not true. So it's a really great experience to be able to, yes, to see different people. Jen sharing, I'm seeing on the results that the role is Sentinel. Sentinel and strategy, which is constant improvement, which is great because I'm constantly trying to improve myself. That's awesome.

That's awesome.

So Bonnie sharing, I see that most people are N for the second letter. I am S. What does that relate to? So the N and the S. Are, so N is actually intuitives, but they already have an I, so they had to do N. And S is sensing. So intuitive is more like, I mean, there's a lot of different qualities that go into it, but more big picture. And sensors are more like details. And now I would actually almost say like intuitives, and again, there's so many qualities that kind of go into this, are more like focused on the future. And sensors are more focused on like the now, like the, the right now. And sensors are more kind of like, I, I have something pulled up here and there's a couple of things here. Like one of the things says like, trust the actual experience, which is like so me, right? I like trust that the future's gonna like reveal itself. Brad, on the other hand, like needs to think about the future and plans kind of the future out, thinks about the future implications of things. Whereas like for me, right, sensor on that S side.

Mm-hmm.

I do something and figure the rest out later, which isn't always, especially when it was more destructive, isn't always a great way to operate, right? So do something now, figure the rest out later, versus thinking about the repercussions, which is more on his side. And one of the things that I would also kind of say is true is like the S, right? The sensing is more like in the present moment, right? More focused on the details, the idiosyncrasies right here now, where the intuitive is more big picture future. So projecting out, not so caught up— and not caught up in a bad way, but not so caught up in the details of this very thing right now, thinking towards the future. And that's actually a great quality we bring to each other in just life in general, because we, we balance each other out in that way. I bring him back to the present, and him, he brings me into the future in regard to the way that we work and the way that we operate.

Yeah, I remember early, early in our relationship I would always ask Kayleen, what are your goals? Like, where do you want to go? She's like, don't ask me that. I don't like— like, I don't have any goals. I don't know what I want. It was just so funny.

And now I do, right? And, and it's— we've found this like really great middle ground for this, which I think is really, really cool because we have opposites. I mean, those are pretty opposite too, right? 73, 91. Those are very, very opposite. And I've brought him more down to like, okay, so today we're just focusing on this thing. Yeah, just this one thing. We're not thinking about what this is going to mean 10 years from now. We just need to kind of focus on this version one.

Yeah, because I can get caught up in like the plan and the strategy and the long-term thing and be like, okay, we're gonna do all these things. And then Kaitlyn's like, all right, what can we do today?

Yeah, we just need to focus on today, right? And so he has a tendency to want to make things as perfect as possible because he wants it to be forever. He wants it to be for the long term. He's building it for the perfect thing in the future. What would the ideal thing in the future be? But with a lot of things, we need a version 1. So we need kind of my side, which is, okay, let's get it out. Let's get it done. We'll do the best that we can, you know, given our time constraints, like basically as fast as possible. And then we'll spend the time to improve it for the future, which is what we've done with everything so far. What you see right now for Recovery Secrets is version 1. What you see for the community, for the content, for the schedule, for everything, that's version 1. What he's now working on building is a second version of this. Where it's going to be exactly ideal, where the community is going to be a certain way.

It won't be exactly ideal.

Okay. Where it's going to be as ideal as possible because it'll be the second version, but it's going to look a lot different than it looks right now because he's kind of projecting out into the future and what's the, the basically the best we can make it within our kind of given constraints. So that's an awesome— so to answer your question, Bonnie, those are just some examples of how those things would look different.

Yeah. It's also for you to, to notice that, like in, in this example with the, the N and S, like I have a weakness of, you know, getting caught up in the big picture too much and not taking enough action. So I can know that and then account for that weakness to tell myself, okay, this is good enough. Let's go right now. Right. So not like, it doesn't mean that I can't take action right now. It just means I have a tendency to get lost in kind of the, the bigger details versus, you know, getting down into the nitty gritty. And if I know that, I can basically, I can deal with that weakness and, you know, work around it. Work around it.

Yeah.

Compensate for it.

Feeling 64. This is another close one. Lorena's 54, 51. That's, that's pretty close there. Nice.

Nice.

So if you have any questions, feel free to get them in the chat box here. Amazing, amazing job so far this week. Amazing job with this session. If you haven't voted on our topic for Friday, I absolutely encourage you to do that. It is in the Facebook feed. Other exciting things that we have this coming Monday, Ryan, our wellness, health and wellness coach, is going to do his first session. It's going to be 12 PM Eastern time. So it's going to be at noon. It's going to be this coming Monday, which I believe is the 25th. I want to say it's the 25th. I put an event in the Facebook group so you can RSVP if you want. It's going to look the same. So it's going to be the same kind of thing. We're going to stream live to the Facebook group. But I encourage you to RSVP just so we can get all excited about this event. I've also added him to the group, so you might see him in there commenting on the post that I've made kind of about him. Feel free to interact and engage with him, and he's looking at the survey that a bunch of you were able to participate in to kind of give him some ideas in regards to content and what people are looking for in regard to health and wellness, or more specifically fitness and nutrition goals. So I'm super excited about that. That's going to be this coming Monday, so absolutely set your calendar. Now the other thing, it will be recorded just like everything here. So if you can't make it, and I encourage you to make it live cuz he's gonna do a Q&A at the end, but if you absolutely can't make it, you will still be able to have access to it just like our recovery sessions here.

So how long is it? Is it gonna be an hour long?

It's gonna be about an hour.

Hour long Monday. And the topics TBD.

TBD. But it's gonna be, he's gonna, when I originally kind of approached him, it was okay. So fitness and nutrition and their role basically in mental health. Now he's looking over the survey. I gave him access to the survey last night. And so he's going to kind of spend some time to maybe, I know he had a topic planned, but look at those survey results and kind of maybe tweak it based on what you all were interested in. And then let me know more specifically about kind of what, what that topic will be. So that's super exciting.

So he's going to do like a presentation like we do here, like 30 minutes, 30 minutes.

Yep.

That's what I'm thinking. Excellent.

Excellent. We'll see.

I don't know. That's going to be awesome.

It could be a wild card. I don't, I don't know.

So basically he's taking all the information you guys are giving us through the survey. He's going to come up with a topic, right? Cover that for the first 30 minutes and then do 30 minutes of Q&A. Should be awesome.

Yeah. And we've assigned him for the next year. So he's going to be doing that every month for the next year, which we're super excited about. He is my personal health and wellness coach and he's helped me make tremendous, tremendous strides in my fitness and my nutrition and just my overall life in general. Even a lot of the topics that we talk about, he's helped me kind of enhance My personal understanding of and my personal execution of, which has been absolutely amazing. So you can look forward to that.

I know I'm going to show up. I'm gonna get a lot out of it. Kayleen has been the most consistent in regards to diet and fitness out of anybody I know. Except for Ryan. I was going to say maybe Ryan. I don't know him that well though. And I'm, I'm excited to learn more because that's something that I, I need to personally improve on is, you know, my diet, my fitness, my consistency, all of that stuff. So I'm excited to You know, do this. And I want to thank you guys for being part of Recovery Secrets so that we can, we can bring Ryan on. We can bring him forward because it, as you can imagine, costs a few thousand dollars to, you know, to bring them on and to hire them for the entire year. And that's thanks to you guys. So like, we're always again trying to, you know, make things better. And that includes bringing on, you know, new coaching, whatever you guys need, whatever, whatever, you know, we think. We can provide to you to help you, you know, reach your goals as efficiently as possible. And, and one of those things is going to be, like Kayleen mentioned before, version 2, which I'm hoping will be able to come out in the next 3 to 6 months. It's going to be a whole, whole platform where everything's going to be under one website. And there's also going to be an app as well. So we're going to take it hopefully off Facebook. There's going to be a transition period and everything off Facebook onto our dedicated website where there's going to be a dedicated app. Where there's going to be community forums, groups, all the courses, everything is going to be in one, one spot. So you don't have to go on social media anymore. You can get the help because social media, we know social media is not good for mental health. So it's not the ideal place to have a mental health coaching program. So that's, that's the goal to come in the next 3 to 6 plus months, which I'm very excited. And I'm already starting to build that out and create that and really work out all the kinks of that. So I'm, I'm excited for that. And so just want to say I'm grateful for you guys for, you know, basically providing the opportunity, uh, for us to be able to provide this to you because this is what we, we really love to do. You know, we love to be here every day and help you guys. And I love thinking about how to make things better and better and better and better. So just want to say thank you.

Yeah. So thank you all for being members and continuing to be members and things are going to continue to get better and better, which is very, very cool. As you can tell, because now you know his personality type. So now you know that we'll never stop, which is awesome. So I love this comment from Judy here. So Judy sharing, my daughter is an INTJ, which is your personality type, which is the rarest. And it's been fun to watch her grow up. She's had so many of these characteristics since she was a baby. We laugh about it now. She would make some people uncomfortable as a baby because she, because she would just stare at them like she was logically analyzing them. She's still got this awesome unique personality, but of course as she's grown, she's learned how to show her emotions more too. That is one of the funniest things, Judy, because that is so him where sometimes like, so one of the things they talk about in regards to our personality is my personality will come off as like warm and fuzzy basically, and his can come off as like cold and calculating. And that's like just based on our personality. And that's, I've watched kind of that develop from you in. More towards my side and mine more towards your side in, in the years that we've kind of known each other. But I think what's really interesting about that, Brad made the comment this weekend at, we were at a wedding, right? And I, I like to make people laugh and I just do my best to make people laugh. I was at the dentist yesterday for a number of hours and I was just trying to make them laugh the whole time. And they did, and they were laughing the whole time. And we were at a wedding and again, I also like to make people laugh. And there were people I didn't know at the wedding. I didn't know the groom's side of the family. family. And Brad always laughs because he says, you know, Keely, like, you could literally say anything to anyone. It doesn't matter how, like, rude or, like, mean it is, and they'll laugh. And it's just based off— I think it's based off the way that I say it.

I think it's the energy.

It might be the energy that I kind of bring behind it. And he has made the comment where, like, he tries to do that. He tries to, like, make a joke that I would make, and people just, like, don't like it. They, like, won't laugh at it, and they'll just kind of, like, shut down.

The last 2 times we went to the movie theater, I thought I made a really solid joke about like the screen, 'cause I thought it was like a touchscreen or something at both places, or I didn't know it was touchscreen. It was whatever. It was a, it was a joke about the screen and everything was going great. Like we were having a great conversation with the, the ticket booth guy in both instances. And then I made my joke and then it just got really awkward. And I'm like, I thought this was, I thought this was like fire. I thought this is a really good joke. And then the day after the wedding, I swear to God, if you said the same exact thing, They would have laughed.

The day after the wedding, we were sitting, we were having bagels with my side of the family and the groom's side of the family. And I hadn't met, you know, some of the groom's family, and we were just joking around. And they had kind of said like, oh, like our son was on the dance floor, or whatever he said. And, or what, you know, whatever they said about describing their son.

He was the big tall guy.

He was a big tall guy on the dance floor. And I like took a second and I was like, oh, the weird guy. And they just like super, super laughed and I was like, how could you? I said it as like a, a, you know, how could that land?

It's like you're insulting their child to their face and they laugh. Like, if I said that, I'd be like kicked out. I mean, I'll say you're a cute, cute, cute little petite individual. Yeah. And I'm like this big burly scary man. I don't know if that's true, but.

So Joanne, the name of the website is 16personalities.com. It's just a Myers-Briggs test.

Yep, Lorena put that in there. Thank you, Lorena.

Awesome, awesome. So amazing job with this session. Like I said, if you haven't taken this test, I encourage you to do it just to kind of see where you fall in regard to specifically thinking, feeling. But it can help you understand yourself at a different level to hear basically somebody else, but to hear this website articulate maybe some things that you haven't been able to articulate before. If you have a partner, I encourage you to take it individually and then swap tests so you can read more about each other, ask what's true, what's not true. Because that can be tremendously helpful and a lot of fun to do as well. Yeah. And then it's also something to just keep in mind in regard to personalities, right? So you just heard that kind of silly story there, you know, for, for Brad and myself and how different our personalities are.

Mm-hmm.

And at first, you know, it was very, I, I did kind of find his humor very cold or, or him very cold and, and very short sometimes in the things that, that he said. And I know for me personally, if I'm being short, it's because I'm, I'm upset for some reason, but for him it isn't. It's just based on his personality. And so just understanding this as a general concept can really help you kind of bring forward to the world around you, to family, to friends, the fact that we're all different and that's okay.

Mm-hmm.

And just to assume the best in people. And that's one of the things I love about this test is it helped me understand that we all are very, very different. And I love that we're exact opposites because it really helped me understand that like not everyone feels the way that I feel, and not everyone acts the way that I act and expresses whatever they're expressing in the way that I express it. And so it helps me be a lot more compassionate feeling, right? Here's the feeling. A lot more compassionate to the people around me and just people in my life in general, and just understand that that could just be the way that they are, but they don't mean anything ill by it. And that's the thing that I love now knowing Brad. It's like such a deeper level. Like, he made a joke at the wedding that didn't land. The mustache guy.

Oh my God, that was another one.

Yeah, that was another one.

It was a cop, and I had a mustache for the wedding, and the only other guy around our age who had a mustache was— I found out he was a cop, and like, oh, I should have known you were a cop because you got a mustache, something like that. And I thought it was really funny, but then he didn't talk to me for the rest of the night.

Then he left.

And then he left.

He left. And so—

And I was like, I thought we were mustache bros. I'm not making fun of you. Like, I have a mustache too.

Whereas if I said that, it would have landed. You would have laughed.

But anyway, So I've learned, here's what I learned today, is that I need to work on the energy behind my jokes so that people, so it lands correctly. And that's, that's one of my weaknesses that even though I think I'm saying it in the right way, it is not coming off the right way. And I need to work on my energy behind the way I'm saying my jokes.

And so that's something that we've, we've been able to bring to each other, but that's something I've been able to understand is that he might say something and it might not come out right, but his intention is with the purest heart.

Yeah. And that's, and that was always the hard thing for me too, because my intention was always Right. But my energy and the way that I said it was interpreted, or the, I mean, probably just naturally, like it was wrong, you know, it, it came off cold or whatever it was. And that was very challenging for me cuz like I did have a, I do have such like a pure heart and I do want the best and whatever, but it can come off.

Yeah.

In the wrong way.

I know.

Especially jokes.

Especially jokes.

Yeah. Which I'm like, it, it's never been that way in my life. Something's changed inside of me where Maybe I'm just more at peace with myself than I ever been before. And I just like, like more relaxed. Yeah. So like, come off as like, so I just say things how I would naturally say them and try instead of trying to like impress someone or make someone feel good or something. So I'm just like, I just say it. And then the way I say it, since naturally I say it in a more flat voice, it does not land. But I'd rather have my, my, my jokes land than, I mean, I can still be—

You just have to tailor the energy, right? So you can just like chill and like be yourself. And then when it comes like joke time, just like kind of turn it up a dial.

Yeah.

Like, like get a little bit more animated and be like, mustache bro. Right? He probably still would walk.

Probably feel bad about myself after saying that. Sag Rose.

Sag Rose.

Okay. See, I feel like you can get away with a lot of things, but maybe, maybe I'm just being insecure.

I don't know.

Anyways, I think it feels like it's time to go.

You can do it.

Yeah, it does.

So amazing job with this session. We love you. We believe in you. We look forward to seeing you bright and early tomorrow morning. We hope you've enjoyed some of these silly stories and learning about kind of our idiosyncrasies and how different our personalities are. And just understand that no matter what your personality is, try things on this journey, you know, just keep trying things and you're gonna have strengths and weaknesses and that's part of the process. Even if you are, who, who did we have that was 97, right, Jen? 97% feeling that last 3%, you know, you might have to eventually at some points of the journey, like really spend the time to focus and build a little bit of skill around that 3%. So regardless of where you are on this, you know, keep Taking action, keep using the processing tools. But you can use this as something to think about in regard to what processing tools or what kind of skills that you want to build. Like I said, if you're more on Brad's side, you know, absolutely start to like dive into episode 13 that we did about releasing inner emotions. If you're more on my side, just think about that when you're doing your processing. How can we bring more logic to this? How can we have the logical kind of piece fit, where we have that aha moment, where we have that light bulb go off. We've got the emotional, we know how to express those emotions, we know how to release those emotions, but we need that last kind of piece to fit, right? Because when we're talking about healing and processing, we're talking about a belief change and a release of emotions. So you might be like me and drip your emotions out over your life, and you might be more like Brad, where you kind of keep them and purposely do that releasing. Yeah.

So Delaine, I see your question about the ADHD and ADD. What I would encourage you to do is to go further. Like, what are the, what are the effects of ADHD and ADD? Like, what do they cause? And then figure out what you want to solve. And then I would submit that as a topic because we don't really have enough time to really dig into that. I think that would be an amazing topic.

That'd be a great topic.

But you can submit that on the platform and I would, we would love to go deeper on that to help you with that specifically. But it's been great seeing all you guys, Jeanette, Delaine. Helene, Jeanette, again, sorry.

Jeanette, it's really good to see you.

Barbara, Jen, Joanne, Lorena, and anybody else we, I cannot see at this moment. Bonnie, it's been great being on here today. You guys did an awesome job and I hope this has been helpful for you. And hopefully got a, hopefully I was able to make somebody laugh besides myself. I feel like I make you laugh.

I do make you laugh because I get the best teammate.

Supporter.

I get you. One more thing, ADHD and ADD. It would be a great topic because a lot of people who have PTSD or CPTSD are also diagnosed, or in some cases misdiagnosed, with ADHD and ADD. So it's a, it's a topic that will land for a lot of people. So definitely encourage you to, you know, think about, I don't know, what specifically you would want us to do a topic on in regard to that, and, and absolutely submit that because that'd be amazing.

Well, like I said, Think about what problems ADHD and ADD cause for you, and then list out the problems and say like, how do I, how do I solve this? Whatever. Something like that.

All right. Amazing job today.

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