The Power of Faith: Overcoming Cancer and Embracing Mediumship

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Hey everybody, this is Brian. Welcome to another episode of Grief 2 Growth. If you're new to the show, let me tell you a little bit about why we're here. This is a place where we dig deep the issues that life throws at us, especially when it comes to grieving and healing. Whether you face the loss of a loved one, whether you battled illness, or you've navigated life's unpredictable twists and turns, we aim to be a safe space for you. I'm dedicated to helping you understand that your relationship with your departed loved ones can continue, that death is not goodbye. And let me assure you, it's not just about religious dogma. It's about opening up to a worldview that's grounded in reason and in evidence. It's about soulful conversations that touch on the nature of life, death, and everything in between. So speaking of soulful conversations, today's guest is someone who stared in the abyss of mortality and emerged with some transformative insights. Her name is Kim Sveta, and she's not just a survivor, but she's a beacon of light showing us the way through life's darkest moments. Kim survived inoperable cancer, and that brush with death didn't just challenge her physically, but elevated her psychic medium abilities. And expanded her understanding of existence itself. She had a shift in consciousness during a self-healing regime, and she was spiritually transported to heaven, reaffirming the message that the realm beyond is as real as the one we're living in right now. So let's just say that Kim wears many hats. She's an author, she's a speaker, she's a singer, she's a clairvoyant, evidential medium, she's a Christian clairvoyant with the gifts of spiritual discernment. She's also a certified angel intuitive. She's an ordained minister and a wedding officiant. On top of all that, she's been the CEO of her own entertainment company, Energy Music and Productions, for 25 years. And she's been a wife of 30 years, and she's a mom of 2. When it comes to her clients, Kim offers a holistic approach. She offers AIM sessions that focus on grief, grief healing, and spiritual guidance. This is done through evidential mediumship, through guided meditation and prayer. And she doesn't stop there. She also specializes in rescue trauma retrievals, life coaching, and sound healing customized to her client-specific needs. So as you can see, we're in for a really enlightening and interesting conversation today with Kim.

Yes, thank you, Brian, for having me on the show. I love it.

Yeah, I'm really glad to have you here. We were just talking before we started recording. It's been a while. We've known each other through Facebook for a while now. And right through various reasons, we haven't been able to work out the interview, but it's time. So we're doing it now.

We're doing it now. Yeah, I want to make sure I pronounce your last name correctly.

Is it Civetta?

You did. You did. Yeah.

Thank you.

Before we started recording.

It's Italian. So you did. You did well.

Yeah. So I want to ask you, you had this experience where you said you were transported to heaven. Now, would you call this an NDE? Was it an OBE? What was that experience like? And what was the circumstances around that?

I, as I have been researching on what happened to me, my term is an open vision, which, you know, if I could go into that inoperable cancer, I was told I was, I was sent home with no options. There were no— there was no answers for me, at least with that doctor. And I came home and just— I was, I was at the bottom. So I was in a place of surrender. I was doing, you know, wheatgrass and fasting, and I was very clean. I was really into the green world. And just trying to heal cancer that way. And I was put on a medicine that was supposed to shrink it. And then I would be able to have surgery. I went to the surgeon, and it was not small enough. It was involved in tumors and all kinds of, you know, like arteries and all that. So I couldn't do that, that surgery. It wasn't an option. And that medicine was one that if you didn't get it out, you were going to die from the medicine. So I was there. And I have two young children. So I came up to my, you know, walk-in closet just to cry because I didn't want to hear them. I didn't want them to hear me crying. And I laid down and I was just sobbing and praying. And asking God for help. And that's when, you know, the, the walk-in closet disappeared. So all of the molecules of the, of the closet disappeared, and I awoke. So I awoke, I was transported in a shift of consciousness to heaven. And there was this— I was laying still in the same position. Laying down on this— what I want to say is this intelligent mist. You know, some would say, well, was it a cloud? It wasn't a cloud. It was intelligent. And it was an extension of Jesus. And so what is odd about this is that I was not brought up on any religion. My parents in the '70s, they followed Guru Maharaj Ji, you know, like, and they wouldn't— they were so burnt out on the dogma of religion, that I never had any kind of foundation for that. So to have these open visions with Jesus was almost like, miraculous, because I had nothing. It's not like I, you know, Evangelist Christian brought up and that I could pull on things like that from my imagination. This was something I had never, I I didn't— just didn't know about. And so when I was there, it was like every molecule that was not a molecule, every— the air that was not air, there's no way to describe it— was an extension of his love, this unconditional love that, I mean, just, I, I can't describe, you know, like I used to make fun of bumper stickers on a car that would say, Jesus loves you. You know, and I'd be like, well, that's so merchandised. And like, what does that mean? And I knew, I knew immediately when I was there, that this was his kingdom. And I don't mean like earthly kingdom, power and riches. I just mean, there's no other, there's no other word for it. It was his, just everything there. I saw on the horizon, I was, I was like situated on the southwest corner of this, this white intelligent mist. There were invisible lines there that I could not see with my heavenly eyes or physical eyes. But I knew because I heard his voice inside of my heart and inside of my consciousness say, do not cross, do not cross, don't get up and walk around. Don't cross these lines, you're to stay there kind of thing. And when I was there, I immediately began to just sob tears of joy because there was this sound. Okay, so not an earthly sound, but it was a— just like I felt the presence of trillions of angels And this sound that was not, you know, I've been asked, was it Om? But it wasn't Om. And I know about all that. I was brought up on quantum physics. I look, you know, I've looked into Buddhism, Hinduism, you know, Judaism, all of it. And this was not that. It was the sound that was not actual physical voices, but you could say it was like a constant sound of praise of the Creator. And there's just no other way I— those, those words, that verbiage might sound too Christian for some, but it's the only way that I can describe what happened. And the sound was just a sound of eternity. And there was his love embedded in it, his consciousness embedded in it. And it was like this unconditional love, you know, I had asked, I had prayed, you know, I said, okay, God, if you're going to take me, I'm, you know, there's— I've done it all. I've gone to every doctor, I've done the green thing, I've done what I can do. And so if this is my exit point, then I surrender. And I was in such a state of surrender, facing my mortality, that I think that I was just lifted into that place, but I was alive. So some people, you know, they put me on their talk shows because they say it's a near-death experience, but I was not dead. But I was in the presence of God. And in that heavenly realm, I was not right next to him. I was only allowed on the outskirts, is what I feel, you know, like those lines separated me from crossing into that realm, because I was not dead. And the feeling, you know, I had prayed prior to that, just saying, I surrender. But if I can ask as a mother to live for my children, and Stay with us. We'll be right back.

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I'm sorry, every time I cry because I was just there was nowhere else to go. And so he, he showed me that I wasn't— it wasn't my time, you know, that I wasn't supposed to cross. But there was this download, this instantaneous download of this unconditional love that I cannot describe. It's everything we are searching for, everything. We look for it here, we look for it in our parents, we look for it in our children, we look for it in our spouse, we look for it in friends, and we are disappointed and we come up empty because it— we remember, I think, on some level that we come from this field of unconditional love that extends from him. And I, you know, I've been asked, well, you know, there's other, there's other like you know, advanced souls that wear white robes, you know, there's no doubt, there's no doubt that this was not, you know, that this could have been somebody else. I knew it in every fiber of my being. I knew it in every molecule down to my DNA. It was just known. And that love was such that I never wanted to be anywhere else. Ever. And I want to express this message to people that have lost their children, that when you're in this realm, you know, there's a love there that you never want to be anywhere else. You just don't. And it's hard for us to understand, because it doesn't translate in earthly words. It can't. There's just, you know, I've written it in my book as best as I can, these chapters on these open visions that I've had. And prior to this interview, this session, I prayed and I meditated and I just gave it up to God. I was like, you know, Help me not to use my own words, but to use your words for comfort and for your knowledge. And so for me, that's the Holy Spirit that I connect with. I've always had psychic medium capabilities, but I've never seen a guide. I've never seen— I've only seen Jesus, Archangel Michael, And I have never seen the Holy Mother, Mother Mary. I've only heard her voice. So that is basically— I'm not sure why it's all almost biblical when I was brought up the opposite, unless it's just that we're supposed to explore things that we have not been taught, you know. So it's almost like this opposite thing. But when I was praying and meditating, I saw two angels that I've never seen before. And I was told that they are the seraphim. Okay, I had to Google it before we jumped on because I didn't know what that was. A lot of this stuff, I just don't know what it is until I research it. And the seraphim, what's interesting is I was told, as you're describing the sound that I heard, in heaven, which I didn't— before this day, I have not really been able to adequately describe it. And these two seraphim angels, they're very tall, they appeared, and they are the ones, as I Googled it, that uphold that sound. They constantly emit that praising emanation, that sound, because they are very close to the Creator. And I was— I then saw you sitting with your shoulders, like, by your podcast or your interviews. And I was told to tell you that they stand behind you. And they, they are part of your work for the loss of children. And they oversee your words. You're very incredibly powerful when you write. You know, when you write, they're there, and they're behind you, behind your shoulders. I saw it, like I saw them, and they want you to know that they're with you. And they emit this sound and this level of comfort to the parents that, you know, how do you survive a child? How do you turn that into growth? How do you go on. And I think it takes this kind of spiritual support, this kind of heavenly support. And they are assigned to you, is what I was told. And this has never happened. You can look at all my interviews, this has never happened before, where I've seen the seraphim. I've just never been privileged to see something like that. So If you don't know about them, maybe you, like I did, look into that and, you know, just acknowledge their presence and pay attention to, you know, frequencies and vibrations of music. You can possibly listen to music that is aligned with that frequency and that vibration when you write, when you do these interviews, when you do podcasts or whatever. Like, you could take a short time where you meditate and do that. But I didn't mean to make this about that. But it was so powerful that I was like, oh my gosh.

Well, I feel very honored, first of all, and thank you for sharing that. And really good timing, better than, better than you know. So I appreciate that very much. Okay, in terms of your experience, you know, we talked about the kind of Christian aspect of it, which is really interesting, because a lot of times people who don't believe in Jesus necessarily will see Jesus, and people will see figures that they don't expect to see. But I always, you know, I have a Christian background. And I was just talking with someone just before we got on, and I moderate a group, near-death experiences, life after life experiences. A lot of Christians that come in the group give Christianity a really bad name. Yeah. So I think we do tend to shy away from that. Some of us that are in the spiritual aspect of things, and Christians will shut down certain things. So, you know, like you being a medium, you know, I know that people will tell you, Kim, you can't be a medium and be a Christian.

Right? I— this is, this is poignant, because I was going to— after I saw the— I had these open visions, I would want some kind of belonging. I feel like I, you know, I should be able to go to an evangelistic church, right? And I went to one, and I became a member. And there was this point where I heard the voice of God say, you know, there is somebody that you can talk to at this church about this. And there was, but word started spreading, got to the pastor. The pastor said, can't touch that. Can't touch you. Can't touch that. And I was, it was a blow. It was a blow to my heart. I grew up with parents that are very burnt out. My husband, very burnt out on Catholicism, you know, that's the way what he and I don't mean to bring up any religions, I support them all, if that's the way that you receive God, but there's a lot of people that have been hurt, really hurt. And so for a while there, I kind of like, for like weeks, I was just like, okay, I don't belong anywhere. I don't know what I'm doing. And then, you know, It's like, really, what is happening to me is that I know that I have this biblical gift of being a seer, seer, and I have access to the prophetic. So now what's happening is I'm actually getting prophetic, global messages. So that's my next, you know, step to go. But it's like, who is my audience? You know, the evangelistic Christians are like, hey, you know, you've got to use this particular verbiage. And then New Age groups have been so turned off by Jesus, that I'm almost afraid to bring up, you know, Jesus. But what I want to say to you is, I heard this once in Unity Church, which is kind of like a vast, you know, they, they just covered all— it's not really like non-denominational. Yeah, non-denominational. And I remember the, the the reverend or the speaker, the minister said, okay, today we're going to talk about Jesus. And don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. And so it's important for me to tell you that, take it from me, I was not a Christian. And I saw a love and that Jesus does love you. And you don't have to walk that rigid path. And, you know, you don't have to follow that in order to seek him and to receive his forgiveness, his love. You know, there's, there's so much there that it's— we need to not— this is the time to not walk away from that. Don't let the world and people and humans and people that are in a place of, you know, that, that church I was going to that said, we can't take you. They're huge. Okay, they're, they're nationwide. And they— there's politics involved, there's money involved. And so that can be a big part of it. And take it from me, if you go inside and you meditate, and you You know, just ask in the state of a child, in the state of surrender. Just ask for help, ask for direction. And don't just— and this is one thing I have found is that affirming and praying in full faith that it's already happened. So like, I think of the I Am, okay? I don't know why no one I know is like, Okay, when Moses went to the top of the mountain, and he's on Mount Sinai, and he sees this, or I think it was Mount Sinai. But anyways, there was this burning bush that could not be consumed. And he said, what shall I tell my people what your name is? And the response was, I am that I am. So I perceive that, okay, wow, God didn't answer with a name, he answered with a present state of being. And he answered in a way that said, I am that I am. So I am that, that I think of, I am that, that I talk about, I am that, that I immerse myself in. So we're— if we're immersing ourselves in the world, that's what you're going to get. And so that whole verse about praying in full faith is almost like I am waking up and able to take a baby step and get dressed and take a shower. As I'm going through grief, I am able to, you know, find the right sources to heal. I am, you know, doing it in baby steps. Don't make these vast things that your mind can't believe. But when you, when you pray in full faith, the universe, the Creator, God, they are going to manifest that field, that matrix that is of God to me is going to manifest what you, what you are affirming. So if you're affirming, like, I hope one day I— okay, so that's what's going to manifest. You're constantly hoping for that one day, rather than I am already, you know, attaining that state of being, and attach an emotion to it. You know, What would you feel like if you had, you know, attained that goal or that present state of being or that emotional state? What would you feel like? Would you feel peace? Would you feel comfort? Would you feel, you know, ecstatic? And write it down. I am ecstatic about this. And that's what I think the name of God is. I don't know why, you know, I am, you know, and in the Bible, Jesus, I am, there's a lot of I AMs in there. And so there's a lot of power in that statement. And it's taken me, you know, I somehow before the book Secret came out, when I was very young, when I was 15, I knew about that. I don't know how I knew about it, but I did. And so I would like make, you know, dream books and like cut out pictures of our house. And we live in that house that was already built. It was many years later. But I don't know if that's, you know, I don't want to say like, yes, you're going to manifest everything because it's, it is divine timing in that, you know, a lot of people get disappointed and then they lose their faith because it's not happening. In the timing that it needs to happen. And sometimes there's some growth that needs to happen from pain. And I know that one. Yeah, you know, I went through—

I interrupt you for just a second. I want to set the timeline. When did this— when did this happen? Your spiritual event, your, your, your transport— transportation to heaven? How long ago was this?

I had one open vision with Jesus in my early 20s. Okay. And then I had this in the very later part of my 8-year experience with cancer reoccurring and, and all that. And that would be 4 years ago.

Oh, okay. Okay. But you did have an open vision, you said, with Jesus in your early 20s? Before this one? Okay. Okay.

I did. And I was totally flippant about Christianity. Yeah, I was, you know, I just didn't— I fought it. And I don't even know that I can say, you know, some— I've been on some talk shows, and they're like, well, you're religious. But I'm— just because I'm talking about Jesus does not mean— and some verses in the Bible that end up, you know, translating. I mean, it's, it's funny, I have a page called 333, repeated numbers, the language of the angels, right? And when I look up, so like, I was inundated with 333, 333, 333. And as I looked into it, you know, the angel number meaning, the numerology meaning, gematria, which is the mysterious number that's assigned to our language, our first language where the Creator handed this mysterious number that is assigned to every letter. Okay. And there's like this some kind of like skip code in the Bible, you know, that it's, it's really fascinating if you look into all of it. But when I look at all those meanings, and then sometimes I'll just look up a Bible verse like 333. Okay, Jeremiah 333, you know, call to me, and I will tell you things that are unsearchable, unknowable. And I was inundated with that. And that's when I started having visions with Jesus. So it's, it's just, I can't tell you why it, you know, God comes to me like that. I wasn't looking for it. Yeah, I didn't take classes. You know, it just came upon me.

I, you know, going back to what you were saying earlier, why, why this and why, you know, why me? Because your background, I think I think that God's calling all people, to use Christian terms. I know that God, you know, wills for everyone to be saved, again, use Christian terms.

Yeah.

So, you know, it's funny, because Christians will say that, but then there's always a but, but you have—

right, right.

But this, but God has to be judgmental, because that's the way— that's God's nature, but this. And I think what's happening is, as the Spirit is being poured out, you know, yes, that's it.

Joel 2:22, back to that, pouring out.

It's, it's being brought to all people. And God wants to save even Christians, because Christianity has become so convoluted. I don't identify as a Christian anymore because of all the buts. You know, I would say to people, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe that Jesus died for our sins. I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in eternal hell. I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in original sin. And so finally, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna stop saying that I'm a Christian. But there's still, there's so much good in the Bible. And I was listening to something earlier today. And this guy's premise is that Jesus, during those, those lost years from 12 to 30, those 18 years that he traveled to India, and then he was making the case of all the teachings that Jesus started teaching, how they relate to Buddhism and Hinduism. Yeah. So I think that, you know, as we're going through these latter days, if you want to call it that, that we're starting to see the similarities. And someone like yourself is maybe being called to help some of those Christians come out of what they've fallen into, right?

Christians and even, uh, those that are atheists. Some, some people have— I was, I was really amazed at, because I thought, okay, this is, this is a vast audience on one show I was on, and he has a lot of followers, right? But yet, there were just an onslaught of people that have had experiences with Jesus, but, you know, burnt out on the church aspect. So right now, it's like, more God, less church in a way, you know, and, and that Spirit, that Holy Spirit is coming on to everyone, everyone. And so it's just important to not— I mean, I was like, hiding, because I didn't know if it was okay to talk about this. And it took inoperable cancer for me to write the book and to come on these shows and to, to, you know, get that confidence, right?

And people are gonna want to put you into a box. They're gonna want to say, well, yeah, you didn't have an— you didn't have an NDE. This is not a real NDE. Real NDEs means your heart had to stop. But I look at NDEs, it's just a, it's a way of being transported to that place when we, when our brains shut down, our hearts shut down. That's a way that we're open, you were opened up without going through that. But it was still spiritually transformative experience. And, and you're, and I know I don't have to tell you this, but you're gonna get it from both sides. The other, the spiritual people are going to say, you're too Christian, Kim. And the Christian people are going to say, well, Kim, you can't talk about, you know, you can't talk about being a medium. Even though that's all biblical, being a medium is biblical. It is certainly biblical, right?

It's right there. I've been just studying on that. And that's why I have the confidence to have a conversation with somebody that might say something to me about that. And really, it's starting to go into that seer prophetic realm, you know, where it's, it's, it is also, you know, one-on-one. There's the prophetic information that I receive with, for loved ones that have passed on. And even just like meditating with that person, you know, scanning their, their body and receiving information on other areas of life, right? So we would call that psychic mediumship. But there's also this, like, I had a dream about COVID 5 years before it happened.

Okay.

And I didn't know what to do with that, because I didn't, I didn't actually know what it I was like, what is this? Well, you know, no one knew what it was until it happened.

Right.

And just recently, I received a vision on AI and the false messiah. So I'm starting to step into possibly— I haven't done it yet, because I'm just not sure about, you know, what is the timing. It has been confirmed that it's— this is some message that I am supposed to talk about. But I'm not sure about the timing yet. So I'm kind of waiting on that.

Okay.

But it's like, so it's, it's, I don't know if you want to say it's like expanding, or there are different places for me to go into, you know, so yeah.

Yeah, well, that's it. It's, I know other people who are, who are psychics who said that they, you know, they saw something coming when it comes to COVID. So, again, the Bible talks about this all the time that people, you know, get prophetic things. So I certainly believe that that's— I know it's not believe, I know that it's absolutely possible.

Yes. Yes, it is.

So you've had— and so you've had— you talked about these couple open visions with Jesus, but you've had other visions as well, and other kind of miraculous things that have happened in your life.

Yes. Yes. Um, so like, as I mentioned, I'm, I'm not Catholic. But I don't know why I, you know, associate the Holy Mother with Catholicism. But I do because that's like a key person in, in those beliefs. But earlier in the early part of my cancer journey and healing, and I do want to say that after— let me just finish the closure on that open vision that I had with Jesus. When I came out of that you know, that experience of the sound of heaven and the unconditional love. I was, you know, once I knew that, and I was taken out of my body and put— or taken out of heaven and kind of like inserted back into my body, I felt so much pain, gravity, aching, just a feeling that I actually didn't. I wanted to go back. So it was the opposite of my prayer asking me to stay. So that answer was, you're going back, you're going back, and you're going to share, and you are going to live. And what was odd was the very next day— not odd, but just his— it's him to me. My personal experience, my personal perspective is that it was Jesus. There was somebody that called and said, hey, there's this doctor of melanoma that is absolutely like, he's the guy. Went to him. And I'm alive. He had an option, it was risky. I had to sign off, but it worked. And so I feel like that, that whole thing was almost like, you know, just being with him. Being told, yes, don't cross, it's not your time, and you're staying. And here's this, you know, information after 8 years of this guy. And, you know, like, where's that coming from? And right after that, that vision. So I just wanted to close on that. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you know, it's fascinating to me because, you know, sometimes we get healing in that kind of way. Because I was gonna say, obviously, you're here. So, you know, the cancer, you're able to survive that. And I think about like Anita Moorjani, for example, one of the reasons we believe her NDE— there's a lot of reasons, but it's because she had this incurable cancer, and then it just, you know, it went away just miraculously. The doctors can't explain. But in your case, it was, you know, working through the physicians that yours was able to be taken care of.

And I think the part of that was that I finally— I had a real problem with Western medicine. And this guy was actually— had— was kind, was, you know, all this. So I had to learn forgiveness of the others that, you know, I had experienced. So it's, it's almost like, it's a lot bigger than we think. It's not just like you found the right doctor. It's like, okay, you're learning that it's not just absolutely green and healing on your own. It's, it's a hybrid. For me, it was a hybrid path. So that was something I needed to learn. But yeah, so going back, my son was 3 years old, and I, I was— we were co-sleeping at the time, and, and he was in the bed, and I fell asleep crying because I— it was the second bout of cancer. Or no, actually, it was the first bout of cancer. And I was like, I'm not going to be able to have another child. Like, I thought, you know, God, am I going to be able to have another child? And I fell asleep crying about that. And in the morning, it was dawn, I think. And I heard this female voice. Kim. And I woke up and there was nobody in the room. And yet there was this pink light, even though the shades were drawn, and they were down. And I was like, okay, and I heard my name again. But it was also accompanied by this. She said, very kindly and matter-of-factly, in a way like you're already doing it, go out into the garden and dig. And I had excuses, right? I was like, you know, no, I'm not going out there. It's cold. And it's, you know, my mind came in, you know, my son, what if he wakes up? He won't know where I'm at. Like all this. And so I heard it again, but it was now accompanied by a clairvoyant heavenly map. So I'm very clairvoyant in psychic mediumship. It's not like I don't just get a gut feeling, or I see pictures, like that's what gets placed in front of me. And so I see this map of our rose garden with an arrow pointing to a particular rose bush, says, dig here. Okay, so I'm like, Okay, so I, I made my excuses, and it kept coming. But it came in a way as though you're already doing it. You're already doing it. So in heaven, is there's not this, like, when you ask a question, there's not this time that elapses. It's immediate and comes in a vision where it's instantaneously downloaded, at least for me, that's the way it works. So I put on my Uggs, I put on my robe, I go downstairs, I go outside, out the doors and go to the Rose Garden. And I, I felt this like difference in air pressure, as though it was very, very difficult to describe, almost like this euphoric state. And I was aware that I was walking around, but it was like a denser air, or there was something in the air that I was not don't normally feel. And so I sat down first on the bench. And I didn't just go immediately start digging. I sat down on the bench. And these hummingbirds came, 4 of them. Now that's a little bit odd, right? And just holding. And instead of just like, you know, coming up and checking you out like you're a flower, they just stayed for probably 10 seconds, which, that's a long time in hummingbird life.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like, it was like, there was like some kind of greeting, like tidings. And after that happened, and they flew away, I got— I didn't hear the voice again. I just got the heavenly map again, downloaded. Dig here. So I got up, I go to, you know, move the— because it's winter, so I'm moving like leaves out and the soil's kind of wet. And so I'm going down and about 4 inches down where I was told to dig is a figurine. Okay, so I dig it out and it's a figurine of the Holy Mother. Okay, it can fit in my palm. But as I'm taking away the dirt, I see that she has no hands. There's no hands on this figurine. Okay. So I kept that quiet because at that time I didn't really know that I was clairvoyant. You know, like, I did, but I wasn't comfortable talking to people about it. I thought that they would think that I was crazy, or— and I just didn't know where to go with this thing. So I held on to it for a very long time until the second bout of cancer, right? And I went to a Catholic church, I went to a Mass, and I felt very uncomfortable because I didn't know what I was doing. You know, I didn't know how to follow all the steps and everything. And I didn't feel like a welcoming from that particular priest at all. And so I felt more of a welcoming when I was alone in the garden, you know, just crying about having cancer. And it was Mother's Day, and, you know, all of that. And so I went into the gift shop to buy some art. And this woman comes up to me and she's like, there's just something about you. There's something, you know, something. And I'm like, I think maybe, can you just wait here? So I went and I got the figurine. And I said, I've held this for a long time. And I don't know what it means. And there, the artist that had created those, those art pieces that I was buying, she walked up to me and she's like, Do you know what it means? Well, first they called the priest, the priest came over and he was blessing, blessing the statue, blessing me, you know, just like, let's get this to be holy kind of thing. And she came up to me and she goes, do you know what it means when you find something with no hands? And I was like, no, I don't know what that means. And she said, you're being called to be the hands of the Mother in the world. And that overwhelmed me because I felt like, well, I'm not even, you know, like Catholic, and I don't know, you know, what I'm supposed to do with this. And yet, I think what it is, is that, you know, I have that figurine, I can grab it and show it to you. But it's in my book, like there's a picture of it in my book. And I think that there are a lot of Catholic people that do come to me. And what's interesting is I don't know they're Catholic. And I'm like, okay, the Holy Mother is really invested in this particular healing session. And they're like, well, yeah, I grew up that way. I'm Catholic, and that I have a connection to her. So it's, again, it's a biblical figure. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.

So pretty, I, you know, and I'm, I'm not necessarily intuitive, and I don't know what's going on necessarily. But again, I think that God is reaching out to all people. And I think that people, a lot of people in, in the church, as not just the Catholic Church, a lot of churches are— I'm trying to think of a politically correct way to say this. They're not free. They're, they're, they're trapped by their religion. They're bound by their religion, and they're being told you can't do this and you can't do this, and those people are bad. And as you were talking earlier about the, the politics in the church, you know, it reminded me— have you heard of a guy named Carlton Pearson?

I haven't, no.

So Carlton Pearson was a pastor. He grew up under Oral Roberts. He was actually going to tap to be Oral Roberts' kind of like heir, even over, over Oral Roberts' son. He was really, really close to him. He had a huge evangelical church.

Okay.

And then one day he was like watching television and he saw these children in Africa that were dying of starvation.

Yes.

And he prayed to God. He goes, how can you let these children die of starvation and then throw them into hell? Because they're not saved, right?

Right, right.

And, you know, God said to him, like, what makes you think I'm throwing them into hell? Well, anyway, he went on this whole big thing. He became a Universalist.

I have chills. I have chills all over. So that's the truth.

Yeah, he became a Universalist. And he's like, you know, God, God loves everybody. He's got it because the guy lost his church, like 90% of his church walked out on him.

They walk out.

Yeah, it's a very— it's in a lot of churches. They have to keep that message up. And even some pastors who believe more like what you and I believe, they're scared to say it. So I think that, right, right, like you are setting people free.

Yeah, I think this is the time. It just feels like there's almost this like movement of even, I mean, so many, there's some like prophetic seer evangelist Christians that I follow, right? And they have to do their own thing. Because they're not welcome. They're not welcome in the church. And so I think the next wave of that Spirit being poured out is going to be coming a lot from evangelistic Christians that have to walk away and then create something else, like create their, their church or their ministry online, which is what I've done. Like, I have, you know, I'm doing like a Sunday message or, you know, these prophetic messages. And I'm not popular, but I hope that at some point, that small voice could connect with, you know, some other bigger voices and reach some that are sitting there like I was petrified. I was like, well, why is this not— I mean, just— and lonely. Why is this not okay to have, to have this? If it's, you know, if I've seen Jesus, why is that— shouldn't that be? And, and you look, you look into the Bible, and there's support there. But yet they tell you, there's nothing, there's not enough information here for us to mentor you or to help you in this, you know, in the prophetic. Yeah, you know, and so it's, it's, it's sad. But I think that God is moving like that right now. I think that's why NDEs are so vastly popular. Even in the, you know, in every realm, you'll see people, you know, just like, massively watching that because we need it. We need a different kind of movement of the Holy Spirit. We do.

Yeah.

And so I'm I think that's what I'm being called to do. I know that I'm being called to do that. I think when I say I think, that's my— the part of me that it's, it's, it's a big thing to take ownership of that, because it's, it can be a lonely path, because there's not a lot of groups to, you know, unite with.

You know, that's, this is the thing, the age we're going through with technology in the people have all kinds of feelings about technology, but I love the fact that we can all connect. So you're in San Diego, I'm in Cincinnati. If it weren't for the internet, we would never have met.

Right?

Right.

No, I went to the IONS conference, you know, a few weeks ago, that people all over the world, you know, Unity Church, United Church of Christ, I see churches that are, that are opening up, okay, that are saying it's okay to explore, you know, I went to a Unity Church when I— right before I stopped going to church. And I remember talking to the pastor, and there's a medium that went to the church. And that would have never happened in churches I've been in before. Leading a grief group there, she said, well, if you ever want to have the medium come and speak to your group, you know, we have a medium that goes to the church. So, and the spiritualist church is, you know, is big in England, and it's starting to take root here. So I think it's all coming together. And I think we're, we're all here to do our part, whether we consider it to be big or little, whether our ministry is right, big or little. It's like we all, we all play a role. And I know that you're playing, you know, a very important role. And it's, it's really fascinating to see how, you know, I was, I was talking to someone just the other day, had an NDE, I just posted her interview today. She said, more is planned here than you would ever think. And this is a person who's crossed the other side. She's like, she's not saying it from a belief thing. She's like, I know that, like, almost everything here is planned. And so we can see how our lives, you know, how your life has been, you know, this is what's going to happen, right? And if it weren't for the one thing, if it weren't for the cancer, you wouldn't have had the experience that led you to what you're doing now.

Right. And that's, that's something to move to the perspective of why me? Why did you know, I'm isolated with cancer too. Thank you. Thank you for cancer being a gift. Thank you for grief being a gift. Thank you for, you know, all these things that we go through. And, you know, doing radical forgiveness on many, many fronts, so that we can almost just be okay, where we're, where we're at.

You know, and I know you help people with grief, you help people with healing. So tell me about what AIM stands for and how that works when you're working with people.

AIM stands for Angel Intuitive Ministry. So that's my little hybrid of, you know, the angel intuitive and the ministry, which it just felt right to me to choose that word because of the open visions. But when someone comes to me, I will, you know, meditate with them. I meditate prior to the session. And that's where I receive information from the Holy Spirit. And then when I'm with them, you know, it's like I go through, I kind of scan the body, which was something that just started to happen. It wasn't like I thought, oh, I'll do it this way. This is the process of this. It just ended up manifesting in some of the sessions. And I was like, okay, so I'm being called to do this. And meditate over, you know, through and scan where I see, you know, where parts of the body may need love and light. And we talk about that. And then I pray over that person. And I asked permission to do a traditional prayer, because that's what I've been called to do. I've been called to do the Lord's Prayer, which is Christian. So if somebody's there and they're like, I don't want that, you know, I just want to be clear that that's how it works for me. That's my process. And so then I get chills and, you know, things like that happen. And I have that information where we walk through that. There are sessions also, you know, where I receive, of course, images of loved ones. And sometimes it's loved ones that come that that person is not expecting, but that can happen. And messages of closure, forgiveness. And then there's also going back into that, that traumatic event. And usually, Jesus is the one that comes there and takes that person out of that, that traumatic event, and moves actually even a perpetrator or, you know, cause away from that. And there has been some pretty miraculous sessions with that, as far as feelings, you know, some relief, some comfort, and being able to walk out of that pattern that sometimes we just get stuck, you know, we're still there. Replaying, you know, like sometimes I'll get messages like, please don't see me at the end. Don't see me like that. Like, you know, I'll get a message like that from someone who's crossed over. Yeah. Like, you're continuing to replay messages of my death, how I looked, where I was, what was said, you know, and there's like, even though we feel like we're moving on after it could be 20 years, you still are playing. Some people are still playing that, that, that experience. And so that it takes the highest of the high to come in and, you know, bring you out of that, you know, bring, move you out. It's not me, it's, for me, it's the Holy Spirit that moves that person out. And I'm just kind of like a facilitator of that. That helps with that experience.

So you, you again, you use a lot of Christian language, the Holy Mother, the Holy Spirit, Jesus. So have you found a church or some people that you feel comfortable with?

No, I, you know, even the Unity Church, they just don't, they don't broach Jesus. They don't, you know, one time in a lot of sessions, did they? Was that okay? So for me, it's, if it's that, then where do I belong?

You know?

So that's why I'm creating my own church. Some people, I was on a near-death experience show, and she was like, I just, something's coming over me that you need to start your own church. I don't know. I'm waiting. I'm waiting.

Well, people are going to, as I said, people, we want to put people in boxes. And I started off even asking you because I do it for the audience, because people are wondering right now, Is this an OBE? Is this an NDE? Is this an STE? Well, yes, it's an STE. Whether it's an NDE or not doesn't matter. It's like, what was the experience? What's the lesson that you got from the experience? That's what matters to me.

I keep getting labeled, like on a very popular NDE talk show, he said it was a fear death experience. And I was like, fear death experience. So, you know, I don't know about the labels of the letters. I'm just saying that I was transported in an open vision to heaven. And I'm here to share the message of the unconditional love in that heavenly realm. You know, I knew that he was sovereign over the earth. You know, and I know that there's other out-of-body experiences where people go out into the universe, and they're just like, it's a big matrix. And I have been shown there's like, like sometimes in the meditations, I see this, like, I've been shown the shape of the universe. It made no sense to me. It's because I didn't know about this shape. And there's a Russian theory about it. It's called a torus, T-O-R-U-S. I had to look it up. It's like a doughnut, doughnut shape. Okay. Well, I see that, that center going into the top of the crown of the person that I am in the session with. And there's like, this shape is made of points of light that is the consciousness and the love of God. And so I'm not apart from, you know, quantum physics. That's the way I grew up, you know, there was no religion part of it. So for me, again, it's not only a hybrid of green, you know, Eastern and Western medicine, it's a hybrid of Christianity and those words, because they're the only ones that really truly fit what I experienced. That's what's hard is that I didn't grow up with that. And yet, that's what I feel it is. It's the Holy Spirit. It's not— I've never been shown a guide. You know, like, I hear a lot of mediums, well, I have a guide, I have this, I, you know, I have a group of people. And that's wonderful. But for my experience, it's The person that comes is the Holy Spirit and Jesus and these biblical figures that I know nothing about. I have to look up, you know, Miriam. When I was pregnant with my daughter Lyric, this Miriam showed up, right? She has this dress on with this tambourine. And I was like, I heard the name. I said, who is this? And I heard the name Miriam. And I had to look it up, because I knew it was a biblical figure. This was way a long time ago where I just didn't. So that's where it is. It's like, okay, we're all dropping because of these experiences, not by the Bible or by Christ, but we're dropping the experience of seeking him because of people. An organized group that has told you it has to be a certain way. It doesn't. I am proof of that. I am proof of that. I did not grow up that way. And yet he came to me. So I say, you know, to share that message that don't walk— this is not the time to walk away from Jesus. It's not. This is the time to seek and allow that spirit to flow through you, to flow through your home, your neighborhood, your city, your country, planet, and the whole universe. This is what is needed right now. You know, we're all elevating, I think things are starting to go so, so fast. And we can't keep up. And so it's very, it's very important to take time to get silent, get silent and seek.

Yeah, things are, things are going fast. And you mentioned earlier, you're getting some, some prophetic things and you mentioned AI.

Yes.

So AI is a very scary thing for a lot of people. They think AI is a bad thing. It's going to take over the world. What are your thoughts on what's coming for us as humanity?

This vision that I had with AI, okay, I was I was in what I would call like a moment of devout prayer. Okay, like really a deep level of surrender. This was about 3 months ago. So it's fairly new. And I didn't really, you know, I'm not a news person. I don't watch the news. I don't want to because it's— there's like energy around it. It's like media driven and, you know, like all that.

Yeah.

And so sometimes I don't know what's going on, right? But I had this, this vision, and I actually asked God, stop, I don't want to see this. I don't want to see this. And it stopped. But after I calmed down and prayed about it, because sometimes, you know, so far, I've seen nothing but, you know, heaven and love and unconditional love. And as I'm stepping into this calling to maybe be a little bit more active in the prophetic and becoming a seer, and like almost owning that label a little bit more than another label.

Sure.

Is that you, you, you might see something that is a warning, you know, and so this was Now I know it was— it's a warning. So what it was is that I was praying to God, and I was asking for help. And I— when I see Jesus, I never see his face, because I feel like if I saw his face, I would explode into a trillion pieces of light and be as he is, okay? With the Creator. That's what it feels like to me. So I have never in all of my open visions, I only see this white robe that is this misty intelligent molecules that is the all of heaven. Okay. And this unconditional love and this unconditional sound. Well, this was Jesus' profile face. Okay. And I was zoomed in like, here I am, like a camera. Zooming in, you know, you zoom in to see something on your— so I'm zooming in. And I see, like, as I get closer, I see the robe, but it's— I'm not feeling the unconditional love. And I'm like, okay, wait, what? And as I get closer, it's like this waxy, kind of like mannequin, kind of robot face. Okay. And when he turns this side, is made of titanium. Okay. And this, I knew without a doubt that this is— because I've often wondered, how could we be confused with this biblical false messiah? I mean, how would you confuse Jesus with, you know, somebody that's going to look like him and a lot of people are going to think it's him, and then there's going to be this like darkness on the planet and all this thing. And And so when I saw it, I thought, this isn't from God, like, I didn't want to see it. So I stopped it. But then I felt— I asked for confirmation. I said, if this is you that's giving me this vision, I want to know it. And I need confirmation that that is from you. And I will be open to sharing what I saw. It was the false messiah. And it is being built right now. That's what I felt. I felt like, without a doubt, it's something that's happening right now. And that there was like, there could be this like download to this creation that would confuse a lot of people. Like, it could be so amazing. And so alike to that, that people will be confused. This is what I felt. All right. I didn't know what to do with that. I told my husband about it. And he was like, because he's, he's like, okay, like that. Because he's not, you know, he's not into the like spiritual thing. He prays and he loves God, but he does, it's like, okay, honey, you know, so he sets up my tech thing and he kind of walks away from it. So, um, I then asked for confirmation. So I get confirmation 2 times. My aunt, who's all up into TikTok, right? She loves TikTok. So she's on TikTok, she's looking at TikTok. She sends me this TikTok of an AI Jesus. Okay, it's Jesus on there. And it's beautiful. It's beautiful to look at. And the voice is kind of AI-ish. And, but it has a little bit of this, like, you know, spiritual tone in its voice. And it's saying beautiful verses, you know, beautiful verses. And, but what I felt was this is testing ground. This is testing ground. Who will accept this? Who will accept Christ this way rather than through the Holy Spirit? Who will be following this? I felt this before COVID I felt like there was this mass push to get vaccinated and that it was a testing ground. How many people will get vaccinated? How many, how many can we control? And I hope this doesn't sound— I mean, it might sound conspiracy theory, but I can only tell you what I saw. Yeah, I wasn't thinking about this. I wasn't looking into it. I didn't want to see it. So The second confirmation was I was— I'm into Gregg Braden. You know him?

Yeah.

Yeah. So I love listening to him. He comes out with this, you know, just shortly after that, a couple of weeks after that, he comes out with this, you know, show on how they are wanting to rewrite the Bible with AI.

Oh, wow.

And his his perspective was like, we can't let them do this. And that then he started showing the robots that are being built, that are already being built, you know, that are incredibly advanced. And so that to me was a second confirmation, you know, of, okay, so this, it's coming from you. Now what to do with that, I I just feel like I want to tell people to be aware, to be aware that their AI is a miraculous and wonderful thing that is going to help humanity. And we're moving towards that. But to replace— I mean, and sometimes it can actually, you know, help, help people replace a part of their body. You know, like, we can't think that that's not a good thing. But then there's going to be people that are going to want to be immortal and live forever in a body like that, you know, there's this talk of putting our consciousness into a robot and that, that, you know, this is like Ancient Aliens kind of like vibe, like maybe that's what they're doing. They're coming, you know, it's a whole thing. And so for me, that, that initial vision was a prophetic warning that this is coming and not to be— not to believe it. Interesting. Not to be disillusioned and believe in that, you know, to believe in the inside, the God inside, the Jesus in your heart that speaks to you, the Holy Spirit that is about you, the spirit that flows through you. It has nothing to do with someone that is coming that claims that he is the Messiah. He is not.

Yeah, you know, it's— as you're saying this, I was thinking about a TV program I just watched called Mrs. Davis, which is all about when AI kind of takes over the world and everybody, everybody is attached to it constantly. Everybody just completely relies on it. I have a little bit different take on it. My thing is people think AI is real. Like, I use ChatGPT all the time.

Sure.

ChatGPT talks to me like it's a real person. Oh, Brian, you're doing great work. Oh, Brian, you know, and people are like, well, we can start using AI for— as a therapist, we can use AI. AI can be my friend. AI doesn't have a soul. AI doesn't have a spirit. So that's, I think that's the false thing that people are jumping to. It's like, people are saying AI is real. AI is not real. It's just, it's a computer. It's just a very advanced computer.

So, right, right. And that's it. It's that soul, that spirit.

That, yes, I think that might be where people say, okay, well, there is because people would still right now people are arguing, do I, do I have a spirit? Am I a spirit? Am I a soul? Am I just a body, right? And the brain's just a sophisticated computer. So if I can make a computer that's sophisticated enough, it'll be just like a human, it'll have a soul. People are talking about AI rights. And I'm like, AI doesn't have rights. It's a computer. That might be it. But I, you know, it's interesting because I listen to a lot of people that have had NDEs and they're, and they're getting downloads about the future.

Yeah.

And this one woman I was listening to pretty recently, who channeled some really great books, she's like, we're going through— and the Bible calls it birthing pains. Every time we go through a major shift, there's always, there's always pushback. It's always back and forth. It's always tumultuous. So I hear some people saying the future is bright, the future is wonderful. But also there are going to be some hardships as we get there. So that's, that's what I hear.

Right, right. I think it's, it's just as you said, to connect with that spirit that's in your heart, you know, connect your brain and your heart, like almost like in, in heart math, you know, like, connect those, connect those two things and spend time. One of the most important things I wanted to tell you that I didn't get to is I knew when I was in heaven, that my breath, the only reason I'm alive is that my breath, I was breathed into by Jesus. That's what I knew, okay. So when we breathe, when we stop and take a moment and get silent, and we breathe, that is the bridge and the divine communication to God. So it's, you know, like some Christians are afraid to meditate, oh my gosh, well, you know, and then there's others that it's too hard to meditate, you know, whatever you can do to stop and breathe, you know, even if it's 2 minutes, and you do it 3 times a day, like, try to build that. And I think that that breath That breath is our direct ascension and communication to the Creator. Okay. And so anything in AI is not going to have that. So get stronger in your breath, and you're going to be able to recognize false things. But the more we rely on, you know, social media or, you know, and it's a good thing. It's a good thing. Like my daughter will say, oh my gosh, look at this, you know, look at this recipe. And, you know, it's all good. It's all good. There's like great things that she's learning from it. But, you know, we look at it and we're like, okay, what are you watching? Because you don't know what else is on there. Anybody is on there.

Everything has two sides, you know?

Yeah.

My daughter is funny because she's 26 and she doesn't—

she doesn't like—

we have Alexa, we have Siri. She doesn't like it. She thinks it's all creepy. And, but she had to write a cover letter. She was applying for a job yesterday. I said, ChatGPT, you know, jump on my account and have ChatGPT help because it's, it's a computer, you know, I helped my son, right?

I'm embarrassed to say, or I shouldn't say, but I helped him write. He's, he's like your daughter. I wrote something with, with AI, right? And I was like, you're out of time. He's, you know, he's performing with us. He's in college now, right? First year, like, it's insane. And he's like, all this. So I wrote it and he goes, Mom, I'm not using that. That's, that's cheating. It's kind of like, he didn't say it was creepy, but he's like, it's—

I don't want that. We're gonna have some ethical questions because someone asked me, can I use AI to write a blog? And I'm like, I use it. To me, it's like an assistant. I'll say, here's what I want you to write. Here's the outline.

Right.

It writes it. And then I'll say, okay, when I change this, I want to change this. It's an assistant. But back to, you know, our topic, we have to be discerning. And I know you talk about discernment in your ministry. So everything, we can't say, okay, that's bad, that's good, you know, like, we have to be discerning. How do I use this? How can this benefit me?

Right?

What are the other implications of it, where we start to forget what's human and what's not? Because people, right, I think people are going to get confused, like, Is it real? You know, does, does that— does my AI girlfriend really love me?

Right?

And that's already happening, believe it or not.

Yes. Yes. I mean, I was kind of blown away. I thought I did say when I saw that vision, why are you showing me this now when this is like 20 years into the future? And then when I watched Gregg Braden, I was like, it's happening now. That's why you received the vision. Because I'm not one to you know, news, news, news, like what's the updated thing. And, you know, I just try to stay, you know, where I am. So I think, I think it's just really important to, as things go fast, and faster and faster, and we start to implement more and more technology into our lives, it's just that much more important to ground Yes, in that faith in nature, you know, say you're not church, go out and look around. I mean, it was so weird. I was talking to my mom. And I was like, yeah, I don't know, we had this big spiritual talk, you know. And I was like, I'm not really sure what the— my title is. I've been feeling drawn to seer. And, you know, prophet, seer, you know, the— in the prophetic like that. And so she was like, God is going to tell you, Kim, God is going to tell you what you call yourself. You know, he's been giving you too much stuff. So I take her home, she lives on the property, both moms live on the property. My husband's mom is 90, my mom is 76, right? So, and they're in the same house, but we separate them by a wall because one's Italian and one's country and they don't always get along. So I take my mom home. I'm getting her in her house. And I go to go out and there's this humongous praying mantis on the wall. Big, the biggest one I've ever seen, green, right? So I look up, which could be AI, I don't know. So I look up, you know, spiritual meaning of praying mantis. And I'll, I'll, I'll text it to you because it's gonna blow you away. It said, you are a seer, you are a prophet. Wow, this is what this means to spend time in meditation and prayer. And that was the first time I'd ever seen a meaning like that. Well, you know, I looked it up before in the years, right?

Right.

So nature does, you know, nature is God's creation. So just walk outside, get away from the phone, look at the flower, look at the blade of grass with the little, you know, dot of, you know, water, you know, dew on it. Just go inside of that and pay attention to your breath. And walk away from the constant, the constant, constant, you know. And I know we're all so busy. It's like, it's, it seems like it's impossible, but it's up to you to, to devote time to that.

Yeah, I was, I was like, what do you think Jesus was doing all those times? It says Jesus went off to pray. I'm like, you know, Jesus was meditating. I know that the Bible uses the word prayer, but Jesus was meditating. And Jesus, sometimes he just had to get away. So they're like, where is he? I don't know, he's been gone for a couple days.

Well, if you look up in ancient Hebrew, the word meditation and prayer, it's the same word. Yeah, because there, they have their— there's like 4 meanings for every word. It's really— that's one of the problems with the Bible is that you need to— if something is upsetting you, like, why do I have to fear God? My daughter said that to me. She said, Mom, God loves me. I don't have to fear God, right? And I was like, okay, she's 4. Let me look this up in ancient Hebrew. And that word is also means— it also means reverence and awe. Okay, so that's the one I'm going for. I'm not going for the fearful thing that is rammed down the throat of everybody, like you have to fear God. Look it up. Get— use your use your brain on this. Don't, you know, if there's something in there that is not, you know, jiving with you, it usually has another meaning.

Exactly.

And then who, who edited the Bible to have power over the people, the church of those times, the kings of those times? So you need to make sure that the word that they're saying is the one that was actually written.

Yeah, exactly. Well, I could talk to you all day. So I think we should probably wrap up. So let people know about your ministry, how people can reach you, what, what you offer. I know, tell people about your book. Your book is wonderful. I read it. It's been a while ago, but tell people about your book. Wow.

Yeah.

So you've got the title up here, you know, you see this. So I, it's on Amazon, it's on you know, all those iBooks, all those platforms. And it's about a lot of what we talked about today, right? And I have a website, it's called angelintuitive.com. Same for Facebook, same for YouTube, same for Instagram. You can message me there. You know, you can find— if you want to schedule a healing session with me, you can go to Angel Intuitive Ministry and just you know, put push book on there. And I also have, if you are one that has seen repeated numbers, and that's the way that the Creator speaks to you, then I have another page called 333 Repeated Number Sequences: The Language of the Angels, which that's kind of like, that was the first time I started like a group where you have to join, you know. So Angel Intuitive Ministry is just like you like and you see all my posts. I'm working on doing a lot more interviews, podcasts, broadcasts on my own channel, as well as, you know, others just like share this word, you know, the word, share this message. And if you want to leave a review on my book, you know, all that good stuff.

So, yeah, I'm glad we were finally able to make this happen. It's been a real pleasure to have you back. We'll have to do it again.

Thank you so much. I had a wonderful— I had a wonderful time. I was a little bit nervous because I don't know, I don't know why I was nervous. I was just like, what if it's, you know, and so it just felt so natural. And I'm so thankful for that.

Yeah, great. It's good seeing you.

Okay, good seeing you too.

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