Business Without Busyness: A Different Conversation About Success

So welcome, welcome everyone to Business Without the Business. And today I have got some slides. I don't always have slides, but I'll tell you the little story about this particular session. I actually presented this live at a ladies networking event a few weeks ago, and I had so many people come up to me at the end and say, ooh, you know, this really makes sense. This kind of resonates. That I thought, you know what, I'll offer it to people who were not in Harrogate a few weeks ago and bring it online. So I decided to do that. So I've kept exactly the same slides. I doubt very much the same exact things will come out of my mouth because that isn't kind of how I generally roll. Where is my presentation button? Oh, we've got all this technology thing, haven't we? Why don't I have present? Hmm. Let's just use it like this. I'm clearly not going to— oh no, because that is not— bear with. Oh, EDC. That's not the actual presentation. That is the, like, the front screen thing. I've not actually got the whole presentation up, which is why I couldn't make the presentation button work. Hmm, there it is. That's better. Wouldn't be life without a technical hitch, would it? That would just not be normal for most of us these days. That's better. Now I can present it. That's better. Fabulous! So this is a different conversation about success. Success is a really interesting concept, I think. I think I used to think it meant a certain thing, you know, this is what life should look like, and it's about, you know, a massive drive up the career ladder, as it was for me. But these days I think it's something very different, um, and something much kinder to myself, because I've learned to be a lot kinder to myself in recent years. So It's not about creating success in your business, it's about seeing that business doesn't have to be powered by pressure. So I'm not going to give you loads of tools and techniques on how to make your business better, but it's about seeing that when our business is powered differently from within us, it has a very different flow to it, and it has a flow which perhaps feels a little easier than it would otherwise. So, so, um, more effort does not always mean better results. So for me, this is very much kind of front and center of my business right now because I, I, I very can very easily fall into the trap of pushing and hustling and doing more. And, and what tends to happen is I tend to have a nice intuitive nudge about something, a sense of direction, and then I make that into busyness very quickly. And you know, you all know I talk about intuition a lot. I talk about listening to that inner knowing, but it's very easy to, I find it very easy for me to go from that to efforting. You know, this is, this is my idea. And instead of just like gently following the nudge and the next nudge and the next nudge, I get a massive plan about what it's supposed to look like, and then it becomes an effort. It becomes hard work. And I've seen that recently in all sorts of different parts of my business, including the Viva event, which is an event that I'm involved in organizing in Spain, that, you know, I've got very much into doing lots of work. Now, what I've also seen about this statement is that When we do follow those nudges in a, in a quieter way, and we just follow them step by step, and we don't get too far ahead of ourselves, and we don't create lots of expectation around even what the result should be of this thing we're exploring, it seems to me that things move better, in a, a more gentle way, in a less heavy way. And that as we follow that, those intuitive nudges, the universe drops the support that we need. So it might be that we meet somebody who can help us with this project that we're working on, or just the right group of people turn up who are interested in it, or, you know, that kind of thing. It just, it's the, the teachers that I, couple of teachers I follow, Dominic and Grace, they talk about cooperative components. As you follow those intuitive nudges, the cooperative components come in and help us. And that means it doesn't have to be as much work. There doesn't have to be as much effort. There doesn't have to be as much pushing. And that creates a jolly nice experience of life, to put it mildly. So the problem is not ambition, you know, because let's all admit that we want to have thriving businesses, that we want to help the people. I mean, for me, a lot about the ambition is that, you know, to help as many people as I can. I know I'm with a group of people who kind of work that way. It's when it's fueled, when, you know, the problem is when that's fueled by fear and pressure and self-criticism. Now, the good news is that our body is very beautifully set up to let us know when we move from being guided by this, I suppose you might call it, this alive ambition, this excitement, this presence, for the next step and the next thing that we want to create, to being fear, pressure, self-criticism, it just feels very different. It feels so different. And I can even notice now, as I started this presentation, there was a bit of where it went wrong at the beginning, and, you know, I didn't have the right thing open, you know, there was a bit of a wobble there, and then I felt like I was speaking quite fast at the beginning, quite sped up, and now I've just noticed that, just noticed, oh, perhaps I was fueled a bit by fear and pressure, and a bit of self-criticism had come in. Clare, why didn't you have the right thing up? You know, you know, all of that came up, and then, and now I can feel that I'm settling more into the present moment. And sharing something that, that I hope is, is resonating with you. So here's a little question. I'll just, uh, I'll stop the share, share, and if you just want to put it in the comments for now, and what's the loudest thing in your head right now? And I'll have a look at the comments when I get— I'll get the chat up. Yeah, what's the loudest thing in your head right now? What kind of comes up, or maybe what comes up Maybe not right now, but on a regular basis, what's the loudest thing? What kind of vies for your attention, particularly around your business? Yeah, like that one, being behind on admin content. Yes. Yeah, am I doing enough? Am I saying the right things? Am I showing up where I should be showing up? Am I on the right platform? Yeah, that, that can just get get so noisy. But yeah, I can, I can relate to that, Emma, being behind on admin. Definitely. Yeah, marketing for a new clinic in Exeter. So exciting. No, not exciting. I feel like more pain in the you know what. Yeah, I totally get that. Yeah, marketing. I think marketing often is on people's minds. It's one of those things that, you know, many of us who want to help people perhaps find that, find that one of the least peaceful parts of our business. I think for me, it's, yeah, the quite a lot to do. It comes, the list is quite long. And, you know, some of you will know that my business partner in Viva has fractured her shoulder. And this time she broke her hand early, broke her wrist earlier this year. She's now fractured her shoulder, opposite hands. So suddenly, yeah, there's a bit of that kind of thinking about keeping up with things. And, but maybe, maybe we don't need to do as many things. And maybe you've noticed that the stuff kind of gets done. And the less we think about it, the more it just sort of seems to get done. That even you suddenly go, oh yeah, I'm actually on top of my admin now. Or actually, yeah, the marketing for the new clinic in Exeter sort of happened. I remember just before I traveled to Viva last year, I was going to Spain for quite a while and I had quite a lot of complicated packing to do because I was bringing some stuff and then Bruce was traveling a bit later, so he had to bring other stuff and it was, and a few things still need to get. And it's like a week to go and I'm talking to my coach Grace. I'm like, I've got loads to before I travel, loads to do, and I'm launching this Insight Timer incubator, and I've got all these things going on, and I've got to pack, and da da da, and I was like, all wound up about it, and I just, and she just said, what would it be like, Clare, if you just got ready to travel? Because I was like, I'm about building a new landing page for something, stuff that didn't really need doing in the week before I traveled, and I just, I just went, 'Can I really do that?' Like, that felt quite challenging because, you know, tune into being busy a lot. And I did. I just literally went, 'Right, that's it. I'm not doing anything this week apart from my appointments that are already booked. I'm going to do those, but otherwise I'm going to concentrate on getting ready for this trip.' And I filled the program because as I got back into my life, rather than in my business, in the weeds of it, I just, just ideas came up all the time for things to share. I shared a funny story about trying to pack for a 2-week trip, you know, more than 2-week trip to Spain. It was quite a bit over 2 weeks. And, you know, then my suitcase was overweight and I posted about that and it all was just very light and easy. And then I think I went on to Insight Timer and I'd hit 5,000 followers. And so I was like posting about that and saying, this is one, you know, it's great. Just through that, just stuff just came to me very in a very inspired way. And I filled a program that I thought I had to, you know, ideas came as well. I think I offered a, I offered my previous attendees on the course. I said, if you, if you give, you know, if you tell somebody about this course and they join and you let me know, or they let me know, I'll give you an hour of, an hour of eyes on your business, like tech-wise or whatever. So yeah, it just, it just all worked out really well. So it was quite funny how I didn't have to be absorbed in my business in order for that to happen. So the noise in our head, very loud as it can be, it really can sound like the truth. But it's pretty much, I mean, it says usually there. I feel like it's almost always just thought passing through. And the noisy thinking, the stuff that's not helpful, again, back to that feels different to the thinking that is true. The stuff that's really true, the stuff that is your inner knowing speaking to you comes with a lovely feeling. The noise, which is the criticism and the 'you've never done enough' and the 'you should be working harder' and whatever else it is that, that comes through— 'you're not busy enough.' I mean, the number of times I go to usually in-person networking events I go to— there's one particular one I go to, it's, it's quite male-heavy— and, and usually at some point somebody says, 'Are you busy?' And I usually make some flippant remark like, that's not really my intention. I'm not trying to create a busy life. I say one burnout's enough for anybody in a lifetime. And they do look a bit perturbed and put out because it's like a badge of honor or an addiction, I think, busyness. I often said, you know, maybe not as much now. I feel like I'm in recovery, as it were. It was my drug of choice to be busy. And I can still slip into it sometimes, but I notice it faster and I back off. And sometimes that backing off is just stepping away from my desk. I bought a magazine recently. I've bought a magazine for years and reading my magazine or watching some dreadfully awful detective show or something like that. So here, here, you know, the sky and the storm. You know, the storm of our thinking, it feels like a storm, our stormy thinking. Beneath that is the sky. You know, I might call that the inner knowing. The, you know, you might call it God if you lean that way. Um, you know, insight, um, creative intelligence, universal intelligence, whatever you want to call it, doesn't really matter. That's who you really are. Now, you know, that's taken form in a human journey, as it were, and that human journey has thinking on board with it. But that's not the truth of you. There's something more. And just like the clouds and just like the storm, that can pass all on its own. You don't have to do a lot of work. But I do find the one thing that I find helpful is to pause, is to take a breath. To pause action until serenity emerges. It's one of my favorite things to guide people to do. And we're living all the time in the feeling of that thinking. We are still very much as a society guided to believe that we're living in the feeling of the world. They made me feel like that. This work is making me feel overwhelmed. I feel stressed because of XYZ. Now, this is not a license for people to treat people badly. Because sometimes people think it's that. It isn't that at all. But it's when we see that for ourselves, when we see that we're living in the feeling of our thinking, not the feeling of the world, we take very different action. We make very, very different decisions because we can see that our feeling won't be improved by doing lots. So when we feel very busy and we feel quite overwhelmed, we may look at our list and think— I've got my list right next to me— we might look at our list and say, oh, you know, if I could just, if I just get everything crossed off my list, then I'll, oh, you know, then I'll feel better. I'll feel good once those things are all crossed off. And of course, we have a moment of feeling better. It's a very tricky system that kind of makes it look like that is bringing relief, because we breathe, maybe for the first time that day we breathe properly, we just go, ah, you know, I've got everything off the list, and that breath settles us, and we have a moment of feeling calm, and of course the next day we fill our list up again, and we can go through the same process again of feeling overwhelmed, of feeling like the list emptying is going to be the thing that makes us feel better, but it's an illusion, that. It really is an illusion. It's our thinking about the list. And alongside that, I find that overwhelm often comes with urgency. So if we can just get everything off the list, like, now, or by the end of the day, or by lunchtime, or within the next hour, or whatever ridiculous, um, you know, timestamp we put on it, that can then bring urgency. And urgency for me feels like a drugged hamster like not, not like a suppressing drug, like a high drug, got acid or something. Hamster on acid is on its wheel in the middle of my chest going round and round and round and round and faster and faster and faster. And I used to think that means go faster, Clare, do more colour, get it all out of the way faster, Clare. And I now know really truly that that means stop. It means take a breath, it means pause. It means wait till you're in a better feeling. Because, because who wants an urgent brain surgeon? Like, you wouldn't have anybody who was going to like help you in life to— I feel really urgent, I'd like to come and help you, you know, would you like to get in the car with me with my urgent feeling? Maybe not actually, I'll walk, I'll get the bus. We know really that that's not a way to live life. In a healthy way, but we often don't see it for ourselves. Um, but urgency is so common. This is one of my favorite questions to ask people. Um, and I've just been in conversation with Dr. Bill Pettit with some videos we're making together, and he says something similar. He says, are you in your thinking or are you in your life? And I think that's a— this is a question to just jot down and ask yourself every so often. You know, am I? Where am I right now? Am I in the world with what's right in front of me? And in a business, what's right in front of you might be a problem to solve. You know, one of the things I love to do is help businesses with their tech sometimes and their organization in the back end of things. And I love it when I've got a bit of nitty-gritty to do around that. And But a lot of the time, the problems that we believe we have to solve in our business do not exist. They don't. They're not real. They're things we've made up in our head. They're things from the past. They're things from way, way off into the future. They're not real right now. And so it's powerful to ask that question on a regular basis. Where actually are you? So overthinking, that's a corker. It's one of my favorite hobbies, I think. It often masquerades as preparation, but it usually keeps us away from fresh ideas. So I had a lovely experience of this a few days ago. So my fiancé and I receive, regularly receive, quite unpleasant messages from his ex-partner because they have a child. So there's still a relationship to be navigated there. And this particular morning, we'd received yet another barrage of challenging messages, shall say, mostly telling us what to do, which is so funny because we're both in our 50s and we're not really very responsive to that these days. Um, anyway, I, I started trying to reply to this message, and, and I, I can feel— I started to feel that. I started to feel this sense that, well, if she just didn't send any more of these messages, we could be happier and more at peace. But of course, it's not really true. When I feel like that, I know that I'm getting stirred up. I'm starting to overthink it. And then I said, oh, I'm just not going to do anything about this for now. But then as I went for my walk, I started to kind of try to work out what I could say, what I could get her to— how could I get her to stop? How could I get her to, you know, like, apologize and stop being awful? Which is just so funny. But, um, yeah, but as I was walking and my mind was beginning to churn, this, this little voice said— this quiet little voice just said, you do know that there is no answer in your thinking, don't you? 'And I kind of, I kind of stopped. I think I stopped walking because I was like, where's that voice coming from? Is there somebody behind me?' But it wasn't. It was a, it was a sensible part of me. It was the quiet part of me. And even hearing it say that, I suddenly felt so much more calm. And I just dropped it because it didn't make sense to do anything else. There was a realization, an insight there. That I was not going to find the answer in my thinking. And, and for many of us, that, that is where we think all the answers are. But in the noise, you know, the noise of overthinking is a bit like a big brass band, and our fresh ideas, our fresh insight, our inner knowing is like a little tiny flute trying to be heard above a big brass band. The overthinking of the brass band, when that stops, we hear something fresh. We can hear something new. We can hear, we can often hear the one thing that means all the other things just disappear. Or nothing needs to be done. And I think everybody's seen this. We've all had that moment. We've had a tricky email from a client or from you know, a colleague or whatever, or a boss back in the day when we had bosses, and we start, you know, we start sort of going for it with the email reply, and then we go, oh, you know, my mind's worrying about this. We know to back off. We know to leave that till later. It's not, I'm not teaching you anything you don't already know, really. I'm just making it perhaps a little bit more explicit. So this one is a corker for me because I think I, I, I still can get lost in my value, my, my worth in the world being tied to how much I get done. And it's all very unconscious. It's really innocent, but it's quite, it can be quite insidious. It can be like 'You know, well, if you just do that, you just do that, just do that.' I mean, even to the point where, you know, it's very easy, I think, for us to tune out our bodies here and stay at the computer when we're tired and keep going. And my favorite one is, you know, it's all girls together, so it's fine, you know, that the thing where you really need the loo and you are, you know, jigging about in your chair like a 5-year-old girl because you're just going to finish this thing before you'll let yourself go to the toilet. It's just like, why? You know, why would you do that? But I can, I can be like, I'll just, I'll just finish this, just finish this, and then I can kind of reward myself with a trip to the loo, which is actually bonkers when you think about it. And it may, it means often that we, we don't rest enough. We don't stop enough. And again, when we're settled, when we're rested, when our mind is calm, we can access something like otherworldly that is not available when we are tired. I know, really know, like yesterday more, I over the Monday and Tuesday, I did more exercise than my body seems to currently want me to do. I felt very— I felt quite burnt out, really, by Tuesday. I knew something was off because my sleep went Monday and Tuesday as well. My sleep was really off, and I'm sure it was I overdid the exercise. On Wednesday morning, I was just a little bit grumpy, and I kind of knew that I needed to just rest as much as I could. So I had some appointments booked, which I did, but otherwise I tried to just do as little as possible, just rest a bit more. I did spend a couple of hours watching Drizzle on the telly in the afternoon because I knew that's what I needed. I knew I needed rest, and I have got so much, so much better at that. It's like we, it's like seeing that rest is part of your business. Sleeping enough is part of your business. Looking after yourself, eating, all these kind of, um, Clare Downham, one of the teachers that I know, she calls them no-brainers. There are some things that are just good for us. And if we are, for most, you know, for all of us here, we're our business. There isn't anybody else going to pick up the slack if we don't, if we can't be in our business. And it's seeing that when we're rested and well, that is all just so much easier. I know that when I'm tired, I'll be trying to do something and it'll feel so hard. And like, there was stuff yesterday I kept trying to do, I was like, I just can't do it. This morning I've slept so much better, I feel a lot better, I seem to have got over the exercise crash a bit. And yeah, got, I've got stuff done that felt really hard when I was really tired. You know, it's sleep, rest. Um, but it can feel scary to do that because we've grown up, all of us here probably have grown up in a world where rest was virtually illegal. It's just like, you know, people, and even now people work such long hours. I mean, when I was a teacher and when I was a headteacher particularly, my hours were just ridiculous. Regularly worked a 16-hour day. You know, 12 seems just ridiculous, absolutely insane, not possible really. And so following on from that, doing nothing is often the most productive move, which blows people's minds who, you know, busy addicts like me. Doing nothing? What the heck are you talking about doing nothing, Clare? Are you drunk? Have you been on the sherry before you came on? No, I'm not that old. I haven't been on the sherry. But that, but that sometimes I find if I just, I've got a lovely comfy chair. It's actually my dad's old recliner. Um, you know, and I sit in that chair sometimes and do, do nothing. That's, that's quite hard for me. I quite find it difficult sometimes, but I do try to just move in that direction, especially when I can feel like, you know, when I finished this session today, I was going to do something else, but I'm, I'm done. I can feel that I'm done. I can feel that I'm ready after this session. I'll be ready to, to rest. But also, like, the space that we create when we do nothing can be so productive. It can be so— the stuff that I find comes from that space, you know, doing nothing, you know, it might be like nothing in my business. Sometimes it will be just going out for a potter. Or going to the nature reserve, or, you know, just going to my dance class. I had a lovely— I went, I've started a DanceFit class in the village with the ladies who are mostly retired. It's quite funny. I go for a coffee with them sometimes, and they're sitting having a coffee, and I really have to go back to work now and stop pretending I'm retired, ladies. I've got to go. But I went to the dance class one day, and a bit of me was saying, oh, you haven't really got time to go to dance class in the middle of the day. And I went, no, I really want to go, so I'm going. So I went to it, and I had this marvelous— I had this marvelous insight that turned into a really nice social media post, because it was seeing that I used to be— I remember doing a yoga class with some older ladies when I was, uh, on my— during my burnout. My mum used to take me, and, um, and being very much in comparisonitis, and really noticing the dance class, I wasn't like that. I was like singing my head off to the '80s tunes and jigging about. I'm not really bothered. So, you know, I could see a change there, which I shared, which I think a lot of people I work with get stuck in comparisonitis. So pausing is not weakness, it's often the doorway to a wiser response. And I've spoken about this already today. I don't know if I've put it on the slide. Maybe I haven't. So pause action until serenity emerges. Originally when I heard that, it was pause action until serenity enters, but I like emerges because I feel like serenity is our natural state. It's within us and it emerges when we pause, when we take a breath. And it doesn't have to be a long thing. It can just be a move away from the keyboard for a little while, you know, take— taking a break, making a cup of tea, just, just sometimes just taking your hands off the mouse and the keyboard and, you know, taking a bit of a breath and allowing yourself to rest, even if it's just for a moment or two. And it often brings a wiser response to something that might be happening that might feel quite intense in the moment. Remembering that the intensity of that feeling is coming from thinking about something, not the something. And that's how the pause is helpful. This, um, is a lovely snow globe. I used to have a snow globe, but I don't know what happened to it. Um, but clarity that we want in our business, because that's really what we want. We kind of want to know what to do, don't we, really clearly, and not not in an effortful way. That comes from stillness, not effort, not from pushing and hustling. It's a bit like, it is like the snow globe, you know, if you, if, if you shake the snow globe, it gets very, it gets very blurry. You can't see what's inside it anymore, um, or through it. And you put it down when you let it rest, when you let it become still. That's when the clarity appears. Not doing more shaking, not doing more of that. That is not where clarity comes from at all. And maybe a lot of us need more stillness than business to navigate through our relationship with a little bit more ease. Um, so I've said a bit of this already, but rest is not separate from business growth. Rest is vital to business growth. And it's, and it for me is a massive thing around avoiding burnout. You know, I'm a burnout, a burnout old hack. You know, I've been through it. I know that it was busyness, just ridiculous levels of busyness. You know, never a still moment. At one point I couldn't sit still. I found it extremely difficult to sit still. I can definitely sit still now. I'll be on that sofa after this and I won't be moving. You know, it's so vital is the rest. And, you know, as I've already said, that's when the fresh thought comes, the clarity comes, and the inspired action. You know, none of this is about not doing anything. But it's about doing the stuff that feels good, the stuff that feels inspired. Why does it feel good? Because it's coming from a settled mind, and a settled mind feels really good. It really does feel wonderful, and that's where the best ideas come from. So a question to, uh, to perhaps contemplate, you know, The difference really, this is sort of a different question. What does your business look like when you're not exhausted? And what does it look like when you're exhausted? You know, if I'm exhausted like I was yesterday, like really tired and feeling really grotty, it all looks like an absolute, just an absolute pain in the backside really. It's like, where's the job? Can I go get a job? Or can I just do something else? Or do I have to do this at all? Or you just like confused about it. I think yesterday I got into a real place of confusion. Am I going in the right direction in my business? Am I doing the right thing? And today that all looks completely different. Nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. Everything's exactly the same. My business is in exactly the same state it was yesterday. But today it looks like a very different proposition to how it looked yesterday. Isn't that funny? Nothing has changed, but the whole thing looks different. And that is what, you know, when we're tired, when we're run down, when we're doing too much, when we're very busy, it can look completely different to when we are feeling rested and more relaxed and we're in that nicer feeling all of the time. And this is not about seeking a feeling, it's about just noticing and having some awareness when you are not in that good feeling. So a clearer mind sees different possibilities, not because the business has changed, because the state of mind has changed, which is what I just said really. We are, as human beings, these continually fluctuating creatures, and, and as our thoughts fluctuate the world changes before our eyes. And I've seen that, we've all seen that with our partners, no doubt. You know, Bruce can really look like a pain when I'm not in a good place. When I'm in a lovely feeling, he's just the best thing ever. That's what I really think. But I have my moments when I don't. The same, like I've just said, with my business. Sometimes it just seems like it's too much, like hard work. And it's too hard, and I'm too tired, and I can't do it. And I also don't know what I'm doing, and I'm not very good at it as well. You know, like all the inner critical thing comes in when we're tired. But as soon as our mind clears, it looks like there's infinite possibilities. There's infinite excitement. There's new ideas. This morning when I woke up, and once I got going, I've been, I had a lovely, I had a, that was interesting this morning. I had a really slow start to the day. Unfortunately, somebody's car alarm went off at 4 o'clock or something. It took me a little while to get back to sleep, so I slept a little bit later this morning. Bruce and I went for a lovely walk, a very refreshing walk, because it was a bit drizzly. And then, you know, I got home and made Bruce some breakfast, and I just had a lovely— and then I wanted to wash my hair, so I had clean hair for you ladies. So, you know, there were things that were— and it just took me a while to get down here to my computer and as I was getting ready this morning, I was just sort of, yeah, chilling out, listening to a bit of something on YouTube, I think, and while I was getting ready, and then this lovely idea came through, which I'm just, I've just been working on today, um, that I feel really excited about, something really different, something, yeah, something that I've not done for a while, but I used to do when I was a hypnotherapist. So watch this space, that'll be exciting when it happens. But it, that came from me having this lovely, gentle start to the day. My mind was clear, I felt good, I was looking after myself, I was well rested. And that's when this, this new idea that's got really, you know, I've got quite excited about and started creating. Um, and it feels like it's something that will fill a need that, that lots of people have. So yeah, so exciting things happen. So what would happen if you stopped trying to fix yourself? Because I think Alongside all of this, as business owners, when I got into business the first time in 2016 with my first business, I very much felt like there was a lot to do to fix myself, to make myself be more productive, to make myself be busy. And that created even more noise in my system, lots and lots of noise in my system. And it It directed my attention towards all the things I thought were wrong with me, which really wasn't very, very helpful. And I'm here to tell you that you don't need endless tools and techniques to fix yourself. What I've been speaking to today is this deeper possibility of seeing that you were never, ever broken, that you're okay, that, that, that metaphor I shared earlier of the clouds and the sky that you are this infinite blue sky. And you know, when you think about the sky, it stretches, just goes on and on, doesn't it, into infinite galaxies and uni, uni, uni, beyond the universe, beyond the galaxy, like it just goes on and on and on and on. And the clouds, they're just these fluffy bits of water that, I mean, they're pretty spectacular actually, because thought is pretty spectacular in what it can create. I was watching the clouds the other day and I just said to Bruce, God, isn't it amazing, like all the different shapes and colors of them and, you know, how they just hang there in the sky, like they're amazing too. Let's not forget the power of our thinking and how wonderful it is. But let's really remember that we are something other than that, that we are that sky. We're not, you know, we're not the clouds. And this is one of my favorite quotes, which I think is, well, there's some, yeah. All you are is peace, love, and wisdom, and the power to create the illusion that you are not. That's every, encapsulates everything. It's probably one of my favorite Three Principles quotes, actually. I spent a lovely weekend with Jack Pransky a few weeks ago in a deep listening retreat. And he spoke at Viva last year as well. So yeah, it's, it's such a powerful, it feels like truth to me, does that? And it's just worth remembering when we're feeling stirred up, when we're feeling really busy, when we're feeling like it's all a bit too much, to remember who you truly are underneath all that very powerful thinking that's creating illusion that you are not those things when you really are. So I'm going to stop the share now and say hello to you all again. Yeah, I'd had a contemplated offering a program off the back of this, but it hasn't happened. So what I would invite is that anybody who, you know, you've got my email address, you know where I am because you've had the emails for this, but if you wanted to explore this idea of business without busyness deep, on a deeper level, then just reach out to me. We'll have a discovery call. My first call or two is usually on me, especially if we start to connect on the first call. I always like to hear from people a second time, otherwise they just disappear and I don't know what's happened. So has anybody got any questions? Before, um, yeah, or any comments or anything that just has resonated. If not, we will, will end there. I hope you found that helpful. Um, and a different kind of perspective. No questions? Oh, thank you, Sue. Yeah, that's great. Brought forward some ideas for me. Yes, Emma, thank you. Clare Downham, I definitely feel the thoughts are always in my head. Yeah, I can totally relate to that. Very validating. Thank you, Clare. Good. Good. Thank you for being here, sweetie. Thank you, all of you, for, um, yeah, I like that. Um, you, Emma said she does, she does that. I'll get this done before I wee. Yeah. Very common. I'm sure. Thank you so much for being here and have a lovely, lovely weekend. Take care, everyone. Lots of love. Bye. Bye.