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there's this problematic thing in the recruiting process. Your son's goal is to get an offer made before or around the application dates for some of these schools. What can happen is if we're willing to do like early decision, early action, and then we're willing to say it, like just pretend for example, NYU, you're like, I'm gonna do, I'm doing early decision no matter what, whether I play soccer at your school. And we say that to them, and you go to their camp, they're going to really watch him because they're like, hey, this kid's coming to our school if he gets in no matter what. That's basically a kid we didn't have to recruit except he's right here in front of my lap, and look, he's really good. Now I'm going to make him an offer after the camp if he gets in type of thing. Or, and that, that, those, these types of schools you have to get in almost on your own merit anyways. So that's that piece of it. The other hard part, which there's not a good answer to this unfortunately, let's say he wants to go to— I'm going to pick Dartmouth, which is a top, obviously, academic school— and Carnegie Mellon say, hey, we want to make you an offer, but he doesn't get to hear back from Dartmouth until, say, December or March, or January or March. There's no good answer in the recruiting process for that. What we would eventually do is you would say, look, Carnegie Mellon's an amazing school, so there you may— if you said to Carnegie Mellon, hey, If I get into Dartmouth in 3 months from now, I'm not going to play at your school. They may say to you, well, we're not going to recruit you because we're Carnegie Mellon. But if you say that to Pomona, they may say that's a risk we're willing to take. If you end up getting into Stanford, we're not going to stop you. Does that make sense? Yeah. And that's just a risk that comes along in your guys's case because you have such good grades. For other students, you know, we don't deal with this so much, but this is a good— it's all good problems. Again, at the end of the day, The goal of all of this is to give you the best chance to have the most opportunities possible, and that's all we can do.

Okay, so I'm done. Um, you go ahead and work with Zev, and, uh, we'll, we'll chat again, Zev, after the Division I process.

Yeah, so just before you go, the one last thing is— and, and so I'm going to have August, I'm going to have you kind of— you're going to do it all, and I'm going to do it all with you, but you want to bounce this off your father. Once we've picked the schools, if you guys as a family go, well, we like that one academically, or we need to do more research on that one, once that's done, which we should have done by today or the end of this week, is those are the camps we're going to. And then we're gonna lock 'em in. And then at that point, it's just a follow-up process after the camp, before the camp, et cetera, depending on MLS Next.

Yeah, so what I'm gonna tell August is that, you know, you have to have some kind of a direction what you want to study. I want to give you an example that, um, for example, Harvey Mudd— I know it's small, but that's, that's 100% STEM focused, right? There's no other business school and stuff like that. Pomona is almost all liberal arts. There are no—

there are no—

there's no engineering business school there. Well, there probably are. Not in Pomona. I looked, no business school. No business school. And it's all like liberal arts. So you can look again if I were wrong, but Carnegie Mellon is a big school that has many, many majors available for you. So you have to look at these schools, see what's, what's, what's important. Occidental, I think, is another one of those schools that don't have all the majors or area of study. So before you go to the camp, you got to make sure these schools have the area of interest to study for you.

And to that point, I'm glad you brought that up. This is something we talked about on our first call, and I kind of asked a few questions. As of this moment, August, if I said to you, like, do you love math? What would you say? No. Okay, so already, unless your father— unless you feel otherwise, engineering is not going to be a very lovable place if you don't love math. And if you say, August, also, if I said to you, do you love chemistry? Undecided? No. No, okay. Do you love biology? Yes. Okay, so biology, now that's in the medical field. So now we're going physical therapist, which is not very good money unless you get a master's degree, or you go be a doctor, which is obviously being a doctor. So now we go biology is a yes, you like biology. If I said to you, what do you prefer more, biology or creative writing? What would you say?

Biology.

Okay, so that's super helpful. That means liberal arts is kind of not in the mold. So this has been super helpful so far. Okay, let me give you another one. We've had— if I were to say to you, um, one day you could be a doctor and own your own practice, so you'd be a businessman, right? Because you can have your own practice, but you will be in the field of, of the— in the medical field. Do you say to yourself, of these classes you've taken and you visited doctors before, hospitals, are you like, yeah, I would like potentially to take care of people's health?

Yeah, okay. I also like business though. Like, I, I— he has won the stock market games like 4 times.

Amazing. Okay, so now we're talking business. That's huge. So that's business finance. Let me ask you this: would you rather be a doctor, or like, what do you have more fun doing, the biology aspect or quote-unquote playing in the stock market? Good. He doesn't know the answer yet, so that's okay. To know that it was really tight is good. Now, to your father's point, it is ideal if we could know more so. Now, you can change your major as well. This is partially why I mentioned at the beginning the idea of doing an internship for a doctor, like going to shadow a doctor, or shadow somebody in the finance world would be really, really helpful to do, because then you'll have a really good idea. 'Cause if you're gonna be like, my brother's a financial advisor, My brother helps old people retire early, or older people retire early. It's— he loves it. But that's— he— and he studied finance. But he was never going to be a doctor. So I think, August, to your father's point, and this is something we probably can't answer today, although we did narrow it down, I think we're either leaning towards the health sciences to be a doctor, pre-med, or the business world for— in terms of a major. Would you agree?

Yo, I think so.

So in saying that, which is really helpful, Let's say I said to you, close your eyes, you have to pick one, doctor or business. Say business is in the finance world. What would you pick if you had to?

Just remember, business is very broad. It's not just finance. There are many other things in business school.

Let me, let me ask you this, August. What do you, when I ask you like, what do you think is fun? Treating patients for their health conditions, which would be like sitting in a bed next to a patient saying, how do you feel, or quote unquote making money? Okay, wow.

Um, well, the thing is though, like, I don't want to— like, if I do business, I wouldn't want to be like sitting at a computer all day. That's the one thing.

So entrepreneur potential?

I don't know.

Okay, that's fair. So here's what we do need to do, and this is something that ideally— here's the good news. To your father's point, we're going to double-check all the schools, what they have, and we're probably going to pick schools that have both a business degree and something in the medical field, which, so you guys know, other than Pomona, you know, Emory in Atlanta. Exactly. Emory has a very good in both. So it's not, you know, we can find a school that has both of those and then you can decide. But I do have to say In my case, for example, I was like, I'm gonna be a kinesiology major, 'cause I had a lot of injuries. I love being a physical therapist. I hated every minute of every single class, and I switched to being a comm major, which is totally the opposite. But I had to experience the classes. In a perfect world, to be honest, I wish somebody had told me in high school, like, why don't you go take, you know, sit in on somebody taking those classes? I would've figured it out a lot earlier. So in your case, I do think it would be important Is there anybody in your life that does a job that you're curious about?

No, I don't think so.

Okay, so look, this is a discussion. We don't have to finish that one today. The point is we narrowed it down already: business, med— the medical field. That's pretty damn good.

Um, I'm just really torn between those two, that's all.

The other thing, as I mentioned, you know, if you do— terms of a financial stability place, although business can be a very good place, If you go to become a doctor, odds are down the line you can do your own business, and then you're a doctor who has their own business. But also, it's a lot more school to go into medical school than it is necessarily.

That's the one drawback, but the money is very enticing from being a doctor.

Yeah, that's true. And in business, look, you can do things in business that are also good. So look, we'll talk about that. Yeah.

A lot.

Can I ask, what do you do, Mr. A?

Uh, I was thinking I was a finance director. And now I'm a project manager, but I spent my major in college was business management, bachelor's and master's degree in accounting. I'm also CPA.

Oh, you're a CPA. Amazing. Yeah. My brother's a CFP. So, August, have you followed your— have you shadowed your father before at his work?

Not really. No.

Okay. Okay. So are you not interested because you've never done it before or because you've seen what he does and it does not sound appealing?

Because I've never seen what he does.

Okay, so that doesn't count. You need to go watch what he does then, and then you can decide you don't like it. Because it'd be really helpful if you end up liking it. That's going to tell us a lot about your major.

Okay.

Okay, so I'm going to put that on here. Follow Dad for a day. Is that okay with you, Mr. Wright?

Yeah, that's fine. But I'm no longer doing finance.

Okay, right. You're project management. That's a good point. Is that a field? Let me— I mean, you're his father. This is