Men Who Submit to Women Are CASTRATED?!😳 Dating Debate ERUPTS

I always say that men are like a TSA German Shepherd. You ever been at the airport and that dog is running through? They can smell it off of you. It doesn't matter if you're not expressing it to them. They can smell it no matter what. They can smell it from across the room that you are internally freaking out. And so I always call it the Post-it Note princesses that are like, I am smart, I am beautiful. If you don't believe it, that shit does not work. Men could sniff that you have low self-esteem. that you're vibrating low, that you will let them violate your boundaries, that you're not gonna stand on business. It takes a millisecond for them to know that, and you cannot get it past them.

That is crazy. I have never even heard that concept before, 'cause I thought like maybe if I'm freaking out, it's more, oh, he wouldn't know, I'm just gonna play it cool, but then internally I'm like, I'm going through it.

But it's in everything that you do. Like, it's in the way that you respond back, it's in your text messages, it's in your aura when you see him the next time. Like, they always know. Like, what's— what's— they know that something's wrong with you. Yeah.

Oh my, Stevie, you laughing? Come on here, I need you on here. Stevie Bags, y'all. Stevie Bags, give it up for Stevie Bags. I need him on the panel because— Steve, why are you laughing? Come talk to us.

Les, I'm, I'm rejoicing. Okay, to hear a woman talk like that is a rejoice for real. Okay, because I mean, we live in a world where Everything is inverted. Men are acting like women and women act like men. And the only reason the women are in fight or flight state is because men ain't showing up. So it's an order.

I didn't know where this was going, so I was like, hey, it's an order.

I didn't know which way this was going. I'm somebody who has a pretty solid platform, and so I'm like, my analytics are probably 98% women, and the men that are following me, I mean, it's so much hate mail. So I'm— I did— I don't know you at all, so I didn't know where this was going.

So yeah. So I, I just go— I just go off the spirit, and I ain't talking about the Holy Ghost. I'm talking about real, true, genuine divinity. So, so when you really look at the way the world is right now, the only one reason that woman gotta put her stick out is because the man ain't pulled his out yet.

Amen to that.

But it don't look like what society told you it looked like. So don't clap too fast.

Okay. Okay.

Because protection and provision is not just about my finances or about my brute strength. Protection and provision is spiritual. Hey, baby, don't eat that today. Hey, don't get no gas coming home late because your car running out of gas. Don't stop at no gas station. Get my truck tomorrow and then we'll get it straight. That's protection and provision. It ain't always about him having money, 'cause a lot of women make more money than men, than the average man right now today, especially in the melanated community. So let's talk about that. How you want a boss brother? A boss don't mean he got a lot of money. It means he's a being of supreme status. You're talking real good. No, I live real good, queen. I'm living this and you can feel it on my aura. It's authentic. It's genuine. I don't gotta be accepted by nary one of y'all, 'cause your opinion of me ain't none of my business. The best speech I'mma give is the life I live. Now you go look at my fruits and you'll see what's going on. And it don't mean that I'm flawless. It mean that I'm authentic. I can be authentic in my righteousness and I can be authentic in my wickedness, 'cause we got all of it. But people don't wanna talk about that. Because people wanna talk about relationships. How can you have a relationship when you don't even motherfucking relate?

Tasia, Tasia, I need you to respond. Okay.

Well, I do think that there are some things that men are held to a societal standard that like they do have to have money, they do have to be a provider, that they have to be rich and things like that. And one thing I always tell women is like, girl, you are not Lori Harvey. You are not about to wake up to a house full of roses, 'cause your man is not Future, okay? Like, it's not gonna happen. So I think that there's very realistic things, but I also think that when a man is financially troubled, it will come out in the relationship. So I think that where a man is financially is relative, right? Somebody making $75K a year would— could be relative to somebody. But I think that if—

Mm-hmm.

A man is not in the place that he wants to be, financially, that's just like not— it's, it's never a good idea.

I, I agree. Yeah, but I just, I just don't want— we just can't make anything tangible be the, be the, the priority, the priority, right? Because my bank account might say one thing, but my spiritual account might say something different.

Yeah, so, so you all don't have enough resources and enough networking community because To the Black folk that are in here, we don't have enough men that are standing up and saying like, hey, like before I was able to lead my wife and my family, I submitted first. You don't hear a lot of men saying that. So then you see the men that are seeing the NFL players, they're seeing the rappers, they're seeing all these athletes online, and their first thought is to like get money first, and then they have no clue how to actually lead and submit to a woman. Sometimes it's not about, you know, we talked about hormones and her attitude and all of those things earlier today.

Uh-huh.

Like sometimes it's like, hey, like, You have to figure out whether this is a battle worth fighting. And I, I don't think that some men, not all, some men have an example of what it looks like to even submit to that woman. Like, for some people, that is a crazy statement, that submission is a part of commitment in a relationship.

Yeah, I think it may be just semantics, but you might do something better than me, right? And so I can acquiesce, but I'll never submit to no woman. Never. Because, because you know why? Because it's not even in the order of anything natural.

But God told you to. That's what we keep forgetting.

I don't, I don't know. I don't know if God told me to or the Bible told people to, but God gave me a natural order. Now what they put in the Bible or in the Talmud, the Torah, or the Quran or whatever, man wrote that too.

But see, that's the thing. The natural order for a man to submit, it doesn't mean that you're less than. Doesn't mean that you're number 2. It means that you're prioritizing who's the best person for that moment in that second, right?

The lioness.

That is what that actually means. It doesn't mean you're lower than, it doesn't mean that I'm wearing the pants today. It doesn't mean any of that.

Absolutely not.

It means that you are the one that has enough knowledge and wisdom, which is what I'm leaning on. You have the provision, you have the discernment to say, you know what, there you go, that's you right there. That is actually what it means.

And I said, I don't, I have no problem acquiescing to The lioness being the hunter. The lioness is the hunter. That's what you do, bae. You hunt. I fucking kill.

Woo!

It's a difference. There's always an order. It's the reason why you teach the babies to cleave and I teach they ass to leave. It's the reason why your anatomy is inner and mine is outer. You emotion first, ego second. I'm ego first, emotion second. It don't mean that we can't acquiesce inside of that too and have synergy, But when you become divine feminine and when I become divine masculine, now I can limit my ego to hear where you coming from emotionally, and you can limit your emotions to see where I'm coming from egotistically. And that's called harmony, and that's what we gotta have.

That's called submission.

Huh?

That's called submission.

Well, I'm saying, Queen, the first thing I said was I don't— I'm not going to get caught up on the semantics of that, but I personally, I will never submit to a woman because that's not what the universal God made that to be. Now, I will let a woman do what she does best. Absolutely, baby. Fucking take off. I do not want to do no clerical shit. Please handle that.

So the semantics— but that's exactly what you're doing. Like, what you're describing is legit semantically, verbally, and literally submission. That's exactly what you're describing.

Okay, so does it make you feel better? Talking about emotions, if it makes you feel better for me to say, hey, Hey baby, I submit to you on the clerical duties. Does that make you feel better?

Why the sarcasm?

No, I'm saying—

The men that know how to submit to their women are living a happy wife, happy life, everything is well. And I think that this—

And they might be castrated.

Oh, I would never submit to a woman is—

Those men are castrated. 'Cause I've never— you'll never hear a real man say happy wife, happy life. It's happy us or get your ass off the bus.

The real man trope is a dangerous conversation. And I think as you have like other men in this room, this whole like real man thing is, it's a very dangerous trope. And you're saying that you're not going to submit to a woman that you marry because she has wisdom, because she has discernment, because she's going to— hold on— because she's going to incubate and multiply anything that you bring to the table, right? That's something that God gave a woman that you'll never have. So when you sit here and you say that you'll never submit, that's a crazy, crazy statement.

So, you hear the only people screaming is women, right? So, we're gonna— Yeah, we got niggas out front, it's true. But no, what I want you to understand is when I was speaking, you had men and women clapping because I'm speaking from a universal perspective, not a masculine or feminine perspective. I'm speaking from the perspective of nature. And guess what? It could be, once again, I could be up here talking conjecture or innuendo, but I came up here to actually pay homage to you Because I was smiling about— rejoicing about what you were saying about how our women have to start holding themselves to a higher standard emotionally. And no matter if the man shows up or not, you are the first teachers of the children. You are the first teachers of the seed. So guess what? No matter what that man do, you still got to be like big mama. He went out and had a baby on you. He did all this and do that. You knew who he was before you opened your legs, didn't you?

But I think that men need to hear more emotionally. Men need to be emotionally more intelligent as well. And the trope that you're projecting in this room right now is very dangerous because when you say that you're not gonna submit, it's telling you that you have a deficit, that there's a lack there. And I think that if more men could actually hear other men talking about, hey, I am listening, I am understanding, I am conceding, I am yielding, you'll actually see a lot more men have basically a mutual understanding as well as be happier in relationships. It's not a weak thing. It's not to say that you're not a strong man by saying that there's things that you are smart enough to say, my girl got that.

I may be missing something. I just wanna say this, and I'm gonna land my plane. I may be missing something, but I told you, I don't have a problem with acquiescing to what you do better than me. I already said that. So how do you want me to say it in another language? If you do, if you cook better than me, baby, go tear that fucking kitchen up. But guess what? It's some, it's some things that, that's not necessarily submitting. That's—

What is so problematic about submission to you?

And then, and then I can't—

What is so problematic about that?

Because we have to understand in this life we do have order, and that's what's going on. Our culture is out of order. We celebrate the wrong things, we talk about the wrong things, and that's why, that's why we can't be in harmony with our relationships. We've adopted all these Eurocentric ideas, ideals about what love is. You, you don't love like anybody else, you don't live like anybody else, and you don't look like anybody else. Why do you have to do something that somebody else gave you based on their construct? Start to find out who it is, what your relationship requires for you and your mate, not what everybody in the whole world says. Because at the end of the day, they, they, they're okay with Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve. And ain't nothing wrong with nobody's, uh, sexual thing, because we know y'all are try to hang me to the cross about that. But I'm just telling you that—

Preach, boy!

Thank you, my brother. There's something going on right now where we do have to have these conversations. I was celebrating you because I think that if a sister hears from another successful sister about controlling her emotions, then she could be like, dang, I didn't know my, my baby daddy was dealing with that kind of trauma. That's why he wasn't here. Then he can come back and say, dang, I didn't know my baby mama was molested. That's why she has this kind— these are the things that's going on in our community that we're not talking about. That's why the trauma's there. That's why the drama's there.

You're actually describing exactly what I'm talking about. And your issue with submission, you're literally describing what I'm saying.

We're still talking about submission.

Okay, we're still talking about submission because you're harping on this emotional intelligence component. And I get that, I understand. This actually is a mutual respect. But when you say divine order, divine order doesn't have the end in the actual union. That's all I'm trying to explain to you, is that when you have a relationship with somebody, right, and you're trying to exactly what you described, understand where that person's coming from, maybe there's triggers that this person had from many moons that has nothing to do with you, but it's coming up. That act of saying, hey, let's sit down and figure out what is going on with you so that we can move forward. Forward and we can be in a happier place. Innately, that is submission. So I think that that is just um it's just the word a difference in yeah how we understand that word. But I think that saying that you would never submit to a woman is just a very dangerous trope. Yeah, I'll down that hill.

In in in the content.

Hold up, hold up. I do agree with you because man, this was just a lot of tennis to watch right now and shout out to y'all.

No, what was going on?

This is real podcast.

I think it's important to acknowledge what you're saying as far as like my relationship is my relationship and there's gonna be nobody telling me what to do because I only know my relationship with that person. And that's why it's always an interesting conversation to have when I say, hey, like this person hasn't talked to me for 2, 3 days. And then like I do know that there's something going on with the person and I don't know that it's his response to things when he's overwhelmed, right? When I speak about that on social media, now everybody's saying stop talking to this person because he doesn't like you. Right, so that's why it creates a really, really good— it's a discussion, right? And I think let's, let's just answer this one more thing, because I think that we really want to talk about dating. And maybe if each can say, and we'll wrap it up, one truth about dating that people don't want to hear. What is one truth about dating that people don't want to hear from your perspective and from your perspective? Because you guys have very powerful perspectives, and I do want to share that with the audience.

You want— I would love for you— I would submit for you to go first. Wow, look at this.

Um, truth about dating that people don't want to hear. Oh my gosh, the truth about dating that people don't want to hear. Ooh, I actually feel like.

Hmm.

Um.

In three most. You see how she had to come back to the king? You see how it's an order? No, no, no, no. This is spiritual. No, listen, y'all. This is spiritual. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not playing. This is. She had to come back. She had to come back. Because I created the order. I'm an alchemist. I change the energy wherever I go. I'm not an alchemist. It's okay, I can be wrong, but I'm righteous right now. I'm not trying to be right. I'm here to be righteous. So, Check Game, my, my— to answer your question, the rules ain't the same for everybody in dating. The rules ain't the same. You think Chris Brown old lady saying something about him slobbing motherfuckers down on the concert floor? No. The rules ain't the same in dating for everybody. If you got more money, if you got more status, if you got more looks, I get away with more than the ugly nigga that work 9 to 5. It is what it is. Why, why do we have to pray like we crazy? If you got a bunch of followers on the ground, if you got a bunch of money or a bunch of people know you, the rules are not the same.

Facts.

I land my plane.

Tizzy, I'm sorry, baby girl, go. She's shocked.

Let me— I, I was gonna let this slide, Let me say this. I personally think that even when you're speaking about like your divine order, and I think this is the mishap, right? Because we had a whole bunch of people clapping when he's like, oh, you see how she had to come back to the king? Let me tell you this. Sometimes a king know how to shut up. Sometimes a king knows how to let his woman have a moment where she's not quite— where she's— hold on though. When she's off her— when she don't really know what's really going on, she hasn't really gathered her words. And guess what doesn't need an announcement?

A man.

Okay, it doesn't need an, oh, you see how you had to come back? And this type of behavior is why a lot of women are rah-rah, a lot of women are being the man, a lot of women are masculine, a lot of women are defensive, because this just interaction where I thought we had created this unity, you took a moment of me needing to pause and think to take over this audience. It's not necessary. It literally, what you just did literally wasn't necessary. And when you say like, see how she had to come back to the king? A king, if we wanna go there, is somebody that knows how to actually see, like, you know what, she can't quite— she's not having her moment right now. She needs a couple seconds. And I think that it's just the bravado and the verbiage of what you're doing, and it's not cool.

So please don't mistake my confidence for arrogance. When I made the king statement, I promise you that I was just playing. Anybody who know my personality knows that. I think even the audience knew I was joking. I'm not here to disrespect you.

I didn't say— I don't feel disrespected.

Or, or, or disconnect the unity that you know that we created. How about that? Because that's what you said.

Do you feel unity?

I did. I felt unity, and I still feel unity. Because see, see, the biggest sign of unintelligence is that just because we don't agree on one thing don't mean we can't agree on anything.

I hear you.

Just like the biggest sign of— another sign of unintelligence is because we do agree on one thing don't mean we gonna get We both play tennis, that mean we gonna think alike? No. What I'm saying is that there should not be one thing like that that happens to disconnect the unity, because that's operating out of ego and emotion. You can't disrespect me, and you can't get me out of my ego, because I'm not living there. I'm not living in reaction. See, people get passion mixed up with emotion. I'm very passionate because I'm passionate for the truth that I see to be in the world. And you don't have to think like me. They don't have to think like me. I just want people to think. Society has taught people what to think, but they don't teach people how to think. You know, a lot of people—

Do you think that you've made a space for both of our perspectives to exist?

Absolutely. I think the audience would agree. I acquiesced to what you said a number of times, but you wanted to hear me say it. In another language. I don't speak Russian, but I can say—

Okay, okay, Stevie, I'm gonna pause you right there. I'm gonna pause you right there because I love you, Tasia, and, um, I, I feel the tension, and I feel the tension.

I don't, I don't feel—

I said okay, okay, it's love, it's love, but it's a little bit, it's a little bit, a little bit.

It's good TV though.

I love it.

It's good TV, Lesya.

I do want to know your answer. Regardless, I— maybe this is a good, like, kind of like, maybe this is a good background to the answer of the one truth in relationships, because I'm sure that when people have relationships, this happens. Yeah, like literally this moment.

So I have a saying that says, never let your heart lead you to a place your eyes haven't seen. And I think that— and I'll say that again— never let your heart lead you to a place your eyes haven't seen. And so what I feel like people— relationship advice that people don't want to actually hear is that you need to have some kind of receipts, some type of evidence, some type of pattern before your heart lands or arrives that somebody is lovable, likable. I hear this all the time. I'm like, oh, well, I just really like him. And I'm like, okay, well, what was it about him? And it's actually identity that they made up in their head. They have actually no evidence. And so I think that, like, you— we live in, like, this lover girl, lover boy, like, hopeless romantic, I'm just gonna run. And I'm like, hey, you gotta get— you gotta get receipts on that. Like, before your heart is around the corner, you need to actually have seen that this person has the, the potential. So I think that there's a little bit of logic in, in love.

So one question, then we gotta wrap it up.

So you've never seen God, we've never seen God, right?

Come here.

When we read the Bible—

Come on stage.

Okay, okay, and then I'm going to make it brief, right? It's for the crowd. Okay, what's going on, y'all? I'm J-Mo. What's up, Les? You good?

He was, uh, on one of my episodes, by the way.

Bestie, what's good? Okay, so I heard you say, um, what did you say again?

Never let your eyes— never let your heart lead you to a place your eyes haven't seen.

All right, bet. So you believe in God, right?

Absolutely, positively.

All right, bet. When you read the Bible, have you ever seen him in person?

No.

All right, bet. When you read the Bible and God talk to you, he tell you exactly where to go, right? And you follow, right? All right, bet. It's the same thing. And you can't separate man from God. And that's what's going on right now, right? So at the end of the day, what's happening is you saying God sent me a man, right? Made in your image. But when he send him to you, you second-guessing him. So ultimately you're second-guessing God. So do you really believe in God?

Hey, with all due respect, I think this is like a jump in parallel. No, no, no, no.

What I'm saying is because at the end of the day, The baseline of both of those contexts is faith, and either you believe or you don't.

Well, I, I would like to say that I coach thousands of women, and I— hold on, but if I may, the right way though, if I, if I may, if I may, I have thousands of women that discuss these issues with me on a daily basis. And what I'm saying and what I'm seeing, because I do I think that there is, um, science and evidence to dating that, um, people maybe don't want to acknowledge. But the same thing that you're saying, and I, I'm guessing that you're insinuating that, is that you don't have to see it in order to actually believe it. And I just want to personally share with you is like those divorced women that didn't see it, they're in my chat. The women that believed in a man that was building, that was trying to figure it out, that was transitional, that was in and out, that was cheating, that was dishonest, that was not transparent. Those women are also in my community. And so I just think that it really just speaks for itself. And I don't think it's really where I was going with it personally had anything to really do with spirituality.

Not you. I'm just saying, like, right.

Yeah.

But also, I think that there's a little piece of that conversation that's missing, is that the reality of it is, is like a man that actually is standing in his truth, he's going to have those receipts. And I don't think that a man, a king, would let— would want you to follow him blindly. So you will be able to see the proof in his work, just as God did as well, right? Like just as Jesus, his disciples, and all of those things. You will be able to see the proof in what they are telling you, right? And so I think that that's like even somebody that has maybe that perspective where it's just like, oh well, you know, you may not be able to see the love or the intimacy or the connection up front. Like a man, he's not—he's going to have the the breadcrumbs before you follow.

You're not, you're not, but you're not.

All right, guys, we gotta wrap it up. I'm so sorry. We gotta wrap it up. Thank you so much. Let's clap it up. Let's give it up. Well, let's take the clap.