Ep. 13 Creativity

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Means solving a problem in a new way. It means changing your perspective, expressing your ideas and bringing them to life. Not being linear in doing or thinking of things in the same way, but doing them in new ways. Hello friends. You are listening to the All Things Good for your podcast. I am your host, Brian Bowen, founder of Integrative Health, Inc. And I'm Amy.

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And remember, stay open minded and integrated. Good morning, Amy. Well, I am looking forward to our conversation today about creativity and why it's important.

I love the subject of creativity.

I feel like it's a juicy spark of life. I didn't realize how important until recently creativity was to me. I just found out through some personal development coaching that I thrive on creativity. And I always thought about creativity not exactly like this, but you know, you typically think about it as artists and the ability to paint and express yourself through music and stuff like that. But I just had to do a deep dive on all the things that are a creative outlet for me. And it's amazing when you spend time with it, what you learn and all the different ways that you can be creative or are creative in your life.

Yeah, it's not just what we are typically thinking, although you can find a lot of different ways. Many people are creative by movement, by, you know, cooking, design, how you do your home. But we just mentioned recently one of your clients won some big award for quilting.

Yeah, it was amazing and it's great because that was under the celebrating. Right? She's celebrating her quilting. So quilting is awesome.

Yeah, I mean there's so many different ways, but even building and making things, some people are very creative and just going and whipping out a I'm just going to build this thing which is always amazing to me. Working on cars, makeup. I have a friend that is all about makeup. It's part of her being. It's definitely a creative, artistic outlet for her. That's amazing in lots of little ways. But I think if you look at your life, you're going to find out that you're creative in moments when you may not be realizing you're creative. You know, there's strategies and it just allows us to tap into different parts of our brain and look at things differently. Right.

I'm going to fuse a little definition. I just started with one that I read about creativity and just kind of added a couple of my own thoughts to it. But being creative means solving a problem in a new way. It means changing your perspective, expressing your ideas and bringing them to life. Not being linear and doing or thinking of things in the same way, but doing them in new ways. And the one thing that hit me a lot there is just expressing your ideas especially and bringing them to life. Whether that is, like you said, through art or even problem solving or coming up with a new concept or building a new toy or device, or making a new garden bed, you know.

Yeah. And the whole, I mean, what stands out to me on that is just solving a problem in a new way. And one of our other favorite people to quote all the time, if I may quote Albert Einstein. I've never made one of my discoveries through the process of rational thinking. And obviously he's a very science oriented guy, but he understood the importance of being creative and thinking outside of the box a little bit and asking questions and challenging the typical processing of things or the typical way of thinking and seeing and viewing things. And that's what creative outlets do. Right. It kind of simulates several areas of the brain to just have a different perspective. Helps you with that problem solving.

Yeah. That discovery. Just a little adventure with yourself and you discover new ways of doing things. But I think you discover so much about yourself through a huge way of expression. But like you said, many breakthroughs wouldn't have happened without stepping out of the rational thinking and just going for it. And I think fear holds us back so much from a lot of that sometimes. And so just doing it and pushing through the fear and just seeing where it takes you. Sometimes the unexpected outcomes have the biggest rewards.

Absolutely. And that self expression is pretty impactful to helping us also not just feel confident in ourselves, but get to understand our feelings and be comfortable with a feeling or an expression. And you're doing it in a way when you're Being creative, that is not necessarily like sitting down and addressing your feelings. It's kind of on a subtler approach. Right. So doing things like even just journaling or doodling helps engage various areas of your brain, but you're also processing your emotions under the current. I would say.

Yeah. I think we talked about in an earlier podcast about the neuroplasticity and how important that is to exercise your mind. I think we talked about it more under, like, mindset and reframing and how our brain can change and expand and create new neural pathways. And I firmly believe that creativity is a huge, huge piece of really working the creative muscle helps with that neuroplasticity and works that neuroplasticity muscle, if you will, as well.

Well, we have to go back and talk about neuroplasticity just for a second with that is, you know, we're not. Neuroplasticity is what you know, it's just asking your brain and challenging your brain to use different routes and connections. Like, we know when you are building a habit, the idea is, in the beginning, it's challenging because your brain is literally making neural connections, processing a habit or a movement or a thinking or a feeling. And it becomes a route because you do it enough times that it becomes more habitual. And your brain doesn't actually have to use up energy thinking about it anymore. But, you know, it's just like, okay for that, for instance. I mean, our brain loves novelty. It likes little challenges and nuances that say, hey, this is different. This is unexpected. We've talked about that. And being creative kind of stimulates another process in your brain. Right. It allows your brain to be in a safe environment of novelty, allows you to not necessarily be shocked by something, but to bring up a challenge and work it out. But it also, at the same time, I think it brings you into that flow state, which isn't novelty. Flow state is a space where your body and your brain are kind of doing this natural flow. It's not a novelty. And I know a lot of people think that it is like, that you want to reach that flow state. And they've talked about neuroplasticity and flow state. But I think that there's some. Some debate on that's not engaging neuroplasticity. That's habitual. That's your body is used to it, it's comfortable, and it's just. You're not having to think. It's not having a challenge. You're just in the state of meditation, right. In those moments of Meditation. Like, you've talked about those early morning hours where you wake up. What's the brainwave state when you're waking up and you're not asleep, but you're not fully active?

Yeah. So you can be in theta state. And that's a good point is just you're exercising and utilizing different brainwave states and being able to shift into those. This is a tool to help do that too. So there's different times for different things that you're doing that allows or supports that kind of creative process. And the morning time for me is really a time when I'm in that more theta state, and I can just kind of ask a question to the universe, so to speak, or just ask a question in my mind and kind of close my eyes, and I'm not actively, like, brainstorming stuff, but kind of creative thoughts and just stuff just pops up and I'm like, ooh, that's a good idea. But yeah, so that really fosters that. Versus if you're creating like a keynote speech or something, you need to be in front of the computer. That's more, you know, that kind of that alpha state and kind of getting that creative flow state that way. So those different times support that. But definitely exercises those brainwave states, I think, is a great skill to have.

Well, and so I do artwork, right. I'm a. I'm a painter. And for me, I started off doing realism years ago, and it was a challenge, you know, to try to make something look like something else. Right. And as I've grown and kind of found my own interest and intrigue, which I never, never thought I would be interested in abstract artwork, but that is the process where I've come to. I'm doing much more abstract work now, and it's fascinating to me because to create something that is a suggestion of something that we recognize without the detail, and you kind of leave that open space for somebody to interpret it a little bit. You're creating like, okay, I've got a challenge. I'm have to look at this differently, and I'm going to have this strategic process to it. But then there's a moment where you kind of let go and you're able to kind of bounce back and forth and dance a little bit between that problem solving and then that meditative flow where you're just allowing some outside revelation to come into something and express that onto a canvas. And that's the beauty of really creating or connecting all these different parts of our soul and our body or our spirit, whatever you Want to talk? You know, mind, body, spirit, however you want to look at that.

All of my work's abstract.

Right?

Sorry. That's all I got is abstract. Just a suggestion of something, you know.

Just on a side note, I mean, I really. When I first started getting into art and my family was very, very artistic, and everybody is very much like, they're drawing, right? They're very good at doing realism. And I couldn't draw a circle, so I just figured I was creative in other ways. I was very theatrical. I was very much into art, dance, and then design and that kind of thing. So I thought that maybe that was my creative outlet. But when I was in my 30s, my kids were young, I took an art class, and it just sparked for me, and I just started painting more and more.

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I went and I really judged poorly art shows and things. I really didn't have a lot of understanding and respect for abstract art because it appears to be simple but true. Really good. Abstract art is very technical and very challenging. I was very shocked. You should try it. Sometimes it's not as easy as it looks, but. And if it is easy for you, then, man, you need to do artwork.

No, it's not. For a while, I got into encaustic painting.

I love it.

I love it because it's cool, because, like, you have this idea or this kind of direction you're going, but as you heat stuff, heat that up to fuse those layers together or whatever, it kind of creates this other kind of changes into its own thing, which then allows you to be more creative. And you're like, oh, now I want to take it this way or that way. So I totally had fun with that.

Oh, I love that you did that. That's one of my favorites, actually. It's one of my main artwork.

I was reading a. Just started reading this book just because you were talking about, you know, in that process, how it kind of brings these pieces together and stuff. I just started reading this book called Whole Brain Living that was recommended to me, and it's by a doctor or Jill Bolt Taylor, Ph.D. and I just started reading it. But the point of me bringing this up is she breaks it into, like, Four characters and she's more neuroscience based and stuff. So it's amazing. But she has like left thinking, left feeling, right thinking, right feeling. And all of these characters have a different thing kind of component to them versus just like left brain and right brain. And so I'm hoping. I'm not hoping, I guess, but I'm assuming that hopefully she's gonna bring in. When she talks about how to bring these pieces together and connect these characters together outside of identifying who's who, it seems like the creative process again is a big bridge to have that whole brain living. Just tying that together with what you were saying about how it connects your kind of mind, body, spirit. It also connects, I think a lot of our different components of our brain.

Sounds really interesting. I'll have to check it out. I think. Isn't she. She's a neuroscientist that had a stroke.

Yeah, she did. She had a stroke. So she's yeah. Big into studying the brain and well.

She came out of that with this whole creative process and understanding like a deeper connection to neuroscience because of what she experienced during her stroke. She's one of the first people that got me into neuroscience. When I was back and studying anatomy and stuff for school, I stumbled across her. So that's cool. I didn't realize she had another book out, so.

Oh yeah, it's fascinating. You should totally read it.

That's a good point. You know, creative reading, like I do a lot of science work and studying and it's kind of all self development work. And another way to break up your brain and actually get more difficult ways of thinking is to read something creative. Like do something completely different than what you're normally doing. Right. If you're used to processing it in one way, you do something the complete opposite of how you're typically doing it. See what comes up for you.

Totally. I think it's awesome to anytime you feel like things are kind of mundane or linear or whatever, totally shake it up. And we'll get into more tidbits on things you can do towards the end. But I think to totally shake it up and read something that you might have been interested in that you haven't read and you just open up your mind and open up your perspective and go back and listen to that mindset one and just see if you can totally see things through a different lens and get curious. I guess. Get curious.

But even like with, you know, in your normal day to day. Right. You can challenge yourself to drive to work a different way. It's a creative processing for your brain a little different problem solving, but you can do that in just your own personal development, but even strategically using that in the corporate environment. Right. So at work and with meetings and that kind of thing with your employees and that's becoming more of a thing. When I've gotten into more of the coaching, experiential coaching is becoming more of the norm and is used more frequently because you're putting those creative outlets intertwining them to meetings and presentations where people are doing more like playing with clay or drawing or free association writing brainstorming type things in their meetings and they're tossing balls back and forth. Google's really big they started this a long time ago. It's similar to that. It's allowing some of that fun play creative thinking into the executive space that brings more innovation into the workspace.

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Yeah. And tying into that, I think it has something to do with lowering your cortisol levels in addition to brain health and looking at things strategically. But it decreases your cortisol level 45 minutes of creating what, regardless of your experience or how good quote unquote it is, it had no difference. There's studies that show 45 minutes of creating an art in a studio type setting significantly lowers your cortisol. I don't even think it takes 45 minutes. I think five, 10 minutes, even just a couple of minutes of disconnecting and just doodling or doing some sort of artistic expression can lower your cortisol level and bring your stress down pretty significantly.

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I totally agree. I feel like you can feel that shift too. And again going back to the brain waves, you can feel that shift happen there. And then when cortisol levels drop, then we always are better problem solvers. We have much more clarity and can think from a better perspective of our brain to solve problems. Which again, going back to your corporate environment or I mean even, I gotta say, even in relationships, like when your cortisol level drops and you're in a creative process and you're just like, how can I do this different like this. Clearly the way you know, you're communicating or whatever process you have isn't working. It allows you to get more creative in that process, even within your own personal relationships. On how can you be different or how can you change a process or how can you see it from another filter? So I think it trickles down to so many areas and allows for more expression. I feel like, you know, you can kind of learn how to listen to yourself and how you're feeling and things like that when you get creative more too. So it helps develop those skills.

I like that just looking at our notes and that kind of stuff that we talked about. I love they talk about One of these executives, I don't know, they don't name it. We're just making our notes, right. He talks about bringing his bag of Legos in his briefcase to work where downtime. When he has nothing to do, he'll just play with legos. I think that's very cool. Everybody in the corporate setting needs Play Doh. Silly Putty or. And Legos at their desk. This is a must. That's so cool.

All right, I gotta repack my bag for the day. I gotta go.

Hey, we're. We're not doing massage today. We're gonna. We're just gonna build some lego.

Well, play with some Play doh. I think all my Play doh. I don't know about anybody else, but I'm pretty sure there's no lids on our Playdoh, so I don'. Our plan is very, very playable anymore.

Yeah. Oh, they have moon sand. I remember when I was in school, I had. My kids had moon sand. Have you ever played with that?

Oh, yeah. No. That stuff is ingenious. Whoever invented that, now think about the creativity of that person. So whoever invented Moon sand, maybe they weren't trying to make moon sand. Maybe they were trying to make something else and it completely failed. Whatever they were trying to making, they, like, explored that. And all of a sudden they're like, oh, well, this is amazing to do this with, and came up with this whole thing. So there's so many levels of creativity, you know, in that process. And I don't know about you, but I feel so accomplished and I feel like so much self confidence when I have an idea or I have something I've been thinking about, and I can bring it to life in whatever way that is, and it works. I mean, especially when it works, you're like, yes, I did that. And, you know, then it makes you kind of a little more fearless too, to keep wanting to explore more. Right. And even sometimes when it goes south on you, that just to see it come to life and to, you know, have a sense of completion, that you took something from inside your mind, you know, something you saw it. Like, again with you even painting, I'm sure there's some paintings maybe that didn't come out the way you thought you wanted them to, but they still came to life. And you had this sense of completion from this idea, from your mind out into the real world. It has this, like, life.

Yeah, you gotta say it. Like, we gotta do the Bob Ross quote. There are no accidents. There's just happy mistakes, happy little mistakes. Bob Ross Rest in peace, Bob Ross. He's so cool. But it's kind of like what we had said in the previous podcast on celebrating wins. We'll celebrate your failures too. How many great things have been discovered through mistakes and messing up and experimenting with something and saying, oh, well, that didn't work. And that's part of being creative, you know, it's yours. You are looking at something as it's just data and feedback. So allowing yourself to get creative and see how things work. And then like you were saying, it kind of brings you that confidence of like, well, I tried this and I figured out this problem, or look, I did this and I didn't die. So this is great. It definitely brings up your confidence level. Right. And drops your fear. Yeah, I like that.

So we know I gotta talk five elements just for a second. If I can just jump in there. I just have to bring in the wood element real fast. Just because again, for me, the creative process just helps foster growth in many different ways. And so in Chinese medicine, the five element model, by the way, I can't talk today, that you might have heard discussed in previous podcasts is associated the creativity aspect associated to the wood element. And that tree taps into kind of our purpose and our resources. So if you think about the roots of a tree, but it's always growing and branching out and transforming. And so it's kind of directed towards our passions and our desire and such. And so it's all about growth. And so if you think about this tree growing and stuff, it's amazing how in Chinese medicine, this is kind of a metaphor that they've used. And so it has to do with that vision, that creative thought process or vision, and then being able to take that to a completion too. So it's just a beautiful metaphor. So when you're thinking about your creativity to think, is your tree growing? Are you a growing tree? Do you feel like a stagnant little stuck dwarf tree and you're not getting nourished? How do you feel? How can you express yourself? How can you grow? How can you branch out? How can you blossom?

Yep. And I mean, we can just jump in with some ideas. Like how are some ways that people, we always talk about, you could drive a different direction, you could doodle or whatnot. You can play with clay or Legos, you know, watch something creative, listen to music differently. What else have we named some things that people can do in their day to day processes or day to day routines to break it up, shake it up and be creative?

There's A couple fun little ones I found but I still like. Also really practical ones. But there was one I read that was draw 30 circles and see how fast you can turn each circle into a picture. I thought that was kind of a fun little one. And then another one was flashcards. Like just take a flashcard and just quickly write on each flashcard like a mini story. Like how many like little stories could you just totally make up?

My son has a game that he brought into the family because we love playing game nights. But I'm going to forget the name of the game. But it. You start off with a picture and somebody has to write what that is, write the words out and then they draw it. The next person draws it and then the person after that. You keep passing this thing around and it's kind of like the old telephone game. But each person has to try to interpret or draw and write it out and draw it and then write it out and then draw it. You have to get back around and see if it ended up being the phrase and then the last person has to try to guess the phrase. Very, very creative that you're just. The flash cards made me think of that. Because just being able to start something and then have to make a statement on it. So you're switching back and forth between a drawing aspect and a writing aspect, but then incorporating a lot of people into it. Extremely fun game and hilarious, by the way.

I like that one. Well, I think we should maybe that could be a good team building one we could do at the office. I think we should do that.

That is a fun one. But yeah, doing a little flash stories, writing things down.

The one I like and I do this, I think in my head, but I don't write it down. So I'm going to try this is write down 10 variations of the same question. So whatever question you're thinking about, like how can I solve X problem instead like rewrite that. How could you ask that question from a different perspective? By solving this. How would this benefit my life? Or by helping delegate this to so and so how could this help me solve this problem more? Or by just because I think it helps me. Helps flex that again, that openness and just perspective. Because I think we get stuck so much in our perspective on certain things that it's hard to see it from different angles. So I feel like that asking it 10 different ways helps kind of like shake it up and to try to kind of push you into other filters and how to see it from different angles.

Yeah, well. And like when I'm doing paintings. Oftentimes I'll. You obviously go walk away from it and do something else. Sometimes I used to, I know like four songs on the guitar. And so I would be working on a painting and I would stop and I would just go and play the guitar for a few minutes and just stare at my painting. And then something would come to me. So breaking up that creative process, you don't have to do something creative with creative. We could go and just do something entirely different. But then you come back and take the painting and flip it over or look at it in a mirror. That's fine of it. And look at it from a different. Because taking a photograph just reveals things differently. Your eyes see it differently. So yeah, just breaking up that process. Looking at it from a different perspective literally helps engage and helps you see things. I love that you can do that. How can you do that in your day to day life? You know, how can you step back and look at things a little bit differently, have a different perspective, come in it at a different angle and see what comes up for you?

Yeah, I think being open and remaining open to that, whether it's people you meet in your life or each situation you have, whether we have a client come into or patient come into the office today that maybe we've seen before, having when they come in today, have, you know, look at them from a different perspective. And being open to seeing it from a different angle allows for that kind of, that growth of that explore. I think especially when you meet people in your life, a new person, sometimes we make assumptions. I'm cracking up a little bit. I was just looking on this table by me, there's a little book. So Dr. John Lloyd, if you're listening to this, this is a shout out to us. I wrote this book a long time ago called the Book of why Not. The whole thing started with why not do this or why not? And we kept catching ourselves saying, saying this, why not live to your fullest or whatever. And so we ended up writing this little book called the Book of why not. And again, it was something we started like writing down on sticky notes. So we'd leave like a mass amount of sticky notes on our thoughts, so why not for the day. And we turned it into this little book and we actually sold some at Tattered Cover. But even though it was not a successful book in the idea of it didn't make the New York Times bestseller, it's still. I just looked over and I'm like, that makes me happy.

Right?

It didn't go anywhere really, but to look over and it's something that you brought to life. So my point is, is even of that is write your own, like little book, like just who cares? Even if you're never going to publish it or whatever, there's something super rewarding and joyful about it.

Writing is such a great connective, even like you're saying, if it's not even good, same thing with everything else, like painting or it doesn't have to be good for it to be enjoyable and to be impactful and to help you create that creative process of connecting all the different parts of your brain. Journaling is a great way. If you're not going to write a book, just do some journaling. Just do some free writing and journaling. So much science behind how journaling helps balance out all your emotions, connects you with your body, connects you with your thinking. It helps you have more a feeling of a sense of control and understanding of what's happening with yourself. And that in turn decreases your stress, helps you process of how you might handle a situation or a problem or helps you feel like you are not out of control. And that's usually that fear process comes in for people when they are feeling that they are out of control. So get in and do some journaling.

It is a good thing. Music, even with music. So I play or have played some percussion in the past, some gym bass. I don't really know exactly what I'm doing, but sometimes you just let the rhythm kind of take you wherever it takes you. And so it's okay to grab a musical instrument and not exactly know how to play it. And I remember doing that with my grandma's organ when I was younger. I would just hit a key and I was like, ooh, that key sounds good with that key, and that key sounds good with that key. And you just kind of play and there's again a creative process to that and benefit to it.

So I am an excellent air drummer, very good at it.

I love it.

Especially in traffic. It's great.

I love it. So, so many things to do. So step outside of your lane and if you feel like some telltale signs, if you feel like life is kind of mundane and you're in the rut of life, or if you feel very linear, step outside of the lane and just open up to different things and explain, explore. Because this whole thing is about exploring health and wellness and exploring ways to listen to your body and exploring different things to do to benefit your health and wellness. So remain open and explore and why not get more creative and just see where the possibilities and growth takes you? Why not?

That's right. I like it. Why not?

That's not in the book, but I'm going to add that in there.

See, you just keep adding to it. It's awesome. So let's get a little creative today, think about something different, do it a different way. Who's going to wrap us up and see how we can look at things a little differently today and see if that doesn't open up some new avenues and bring a little bit of good into your life today?

And also, don't forget, get creative and see if you can come up with three friends right now to share this podcast with.

I like it. Good job tying that in.

Thank you very much. Thank you very much as always. Appreciate you Amy.

I appreciate you too Brian.

Appreciate you guys listening too.

Thank you listeners. Almost said readers.

Thank you guys. Appreciate you and have a great creative day. Bye bye bye.

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