Ep. 16 Salt Caves

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Microparticle Mist has to be smaller than 5 nanometers. Not just you see about 13,000 pounds of salt around here.

That's how much salt's in here.

That's how much salt. Yes. That's the actual walls and the floor.

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And remember, stay open minded and integrated. Hello everyone, and thank you so much for listening to All Things Good for your podcast. My co host, Amy Christiansen is unfortunately not going to be here today. We're going to miss her so much. But you're here in spirit and we're going to miss you in this beautiful atmosphere that I'm hanging out in right now. And I am very excited to share my. My experience that I'm having with everybody. So first of all, I would like to welcome our very special guest today, Marcus Bohunaski. Did I say it right?

That was perfect. Yay.

So, Marcus, thank you for having us today and thank you for being on the podcast. I am in your beautiful atmosphere. I'm in a Himalayan salt cave. I'm literally hanging out, looking at glowing pink lights everywhere. And again, you have little accents of hues of different lights and sparkly lights on the ceiling. And my feet are in Himalayan salt and my lips are nice and salty. So I would like for you to jump in and let's tell our listeners a little bit about. Is it Halo therapy?

Yes, Halo therapy. Yeah, that's at least one way to call it. Yeah. Thank you, Brian. I'm so happy to be on your podcast. That sounds wonderful I was just listening to another one that you did a little earlier. I think about the same subconscious.

Oh, good.

And yeah, we are hanging out in our Himalayan salt cave. So we are at the five star Salt Cave Spa in Denver. And this is a kind of treatment room, meditation room, event room that we use for a number of things. But the primary purpose is halo therapy, salt therapy, dry salt therapy. And I can talk all day about it if you want me to.

Well, I mean, I don't know how you ever leave the room. Well, your front, your lobby is amazing too. It's really pretty. But, but in this space, I mean, I feel like this is what a great place to come to work and come hang out and so forth. So salt therapy. First of all, I'd like to hear you have a very interesting story. You come from Vienna and started your study in different sciences and then ended up wanting to become a modern day monk.

Yes.

So if you could just tell everybody about your journey from monkism to how you ended up discovering salt caves and how you ended up opening a salt cave in Walsh Park, Denver, Colorado. Okay.

Yeah. So in short steps. I was born in Vienna, Austria. I grew up there. I went to, as I was supposed to university and I was really interested in math and sciences, so I studied math, physics. I changed to philosophy at some point and then eventually to biochemistry. And in Austria, the way studying works is pretty much you start from scratch every time you change. So I didn't really get very far in either of those. I had a lot of interest, but probably it didn't completely fit me. Eventually I studied computer science, that's where I got the furthest until I really found, I got interested in Eastern philosophy, yoga, philosophy, meditation, and then basically joined a, you know, what we call the spiritual path. That involved a lot of meditating, that involved a lot of simple lifestyle. It's not in an ashram, not in a cave, but out in the world. But still very, you know, most of my work life was washing dishes in a vegetarian restaurant and then going back home to do some medit. And that was my life for a little while, for about 10 years. And then that became somewhat limiting and it felt like it was time for something else. I stopped that, still kept meditating, still kept interest in personal development, those kind of things, and went into the software industry. By that time I had moved to San Francisco. So I was in the Silicon Valley around the time when that was booming and first worked for some software companies and eventually founded my own company and worked at that for a while. And eventually really rediscovered, you know, my deeper interest in meditation, alternative health, well being, that kind of thing. I went to a school called the Barbara Brennan School of Energy Healing. Very famous, famous for people in that. In that area. Yes, exactly. I know about it. So that was a wonderful experience. I studied there for about I think six years. So their basic four year program and advanced program and eventually the teacher studies as well. So I taught for a year there and that was just around the time 2013 when on a trip back to Vienna, Austria we discovered halotherapy in a. Also I'm not sure if it was a Himalayan salt cave, but it was an actual room built from various types of salt and we went in there to breathe. It did wonders for my respiratory system but it was also extremely relaxing and it was a very difficult time for me because my dad was going through.

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Health problems that you know, could have turned out much worse. So I wasn't able to meditate anywhere. I went into the cave, we sat down and within five minutes I was in a deep meditative state.

It's pretty impressive because you know, you know, you've had the experience of being able to get in deep meditative states. So when that sympathetic nervous system took over and you couldn't get there to be able to be in an environment like this and with the therapeutic benefits of the salt which later I would like for you to tell us about some of the energetic properties because that's how with the resonation with the body. But yeah, so very interesting. So yeah, back to your discovery.

Yeah, so we discovered that and then we looked around and saw that there was nothing like that in the Denver area or in Colorado and there were some in the United States. So we found out more about it, learned about it and eventually decided that we really needed A new business. I was not working in software anymore. I kind of had sold off my shares, you know, which pretty much just allowed me to have a few years of not having to work. And it was getting time to where I had to find a way to do something again. And we were impressed by the salt cave and originally combining that a bit with the healing that I was doing. My wife Stephanie, she was involved in breathwork. It's another kind of transformational breath technology. So we wanted to combine it with that. In the end, we found a lot of other treatments that fit well and that were a little bit less esoteric. So we actually went back a little bit from the energy healing and breath work. Even though we do some events here still along those lines. But we really wanted something that works for, you know, you don't have to believe anything. You don't have to be into that. You don't have to know about the Barbara Brennan school of healing like you do. And really we've had over 20,000 people, I think in our salt cave. So it attracts people from all walks of life. And there's anything from real physical healing properties. In Europe it is used for almost medical purposes.

So, Hal, if you don't mind me pausing right there, going back because I remember reading stuff about like in Poland, how they would use it for asthma suffers and stuff like that. I don't know if that was in relationship, even some mining. How far back does salt therapy date now? It's probably a big question. The Egyptians were probably involved.

So yeah, I mean there is so much history to salt. I just found a new book that somebody wrote about salt and all the way back, you know, we went, I think interestingly, the first salt mine that's still in existence, the oldest one is actually in Europe in Hallstatt, is a beautiful, beautiful town. And they have been mining there for I think over 2000 years. So always also used for health properties, but particularly the halo therapy, the therapy that worked through breathing in fine salt particles. That actually started in Poland in the. I think it's called Wielica. That's another word that I don't know how to pronounce. Mine, huge salt mine. And they found that it was really, really helpful in terms of the respiratory system for people. And they have. That's now about 200 years ago. So for 200 years they have used their salt mine and they actually get people down into the mine to do their treatments and to do breathing exercises. And they've built almost like hospital rooms out of the salt, carved them out of the salt. There's a church inside. It's miles and miles, really. There's a church built out of salt in there. That's. It's quite. It's quite a cool look.

That is amazing. Yeah. And yours is obviously probably a micro level of what you're experiencing, but it's so gorgeous in here. It's so relaxing. But so. So back in the day, I used a lot for respiratory stuff, and then I read some. Obviously, you know, about some antiviral, antimicrobial and read some stuff on your site. Yeah, I did a little research on that. Tell us a little bit about that.

Yeah. So the salt, it was used for a lot of time to preserve meat and food. Right. So because of its antimicrobial, antiviral, antifungal properties. So salt by itself generally seems to mostly kill most microorganisms. There's some controversy around the antiviral because it seems to work for some viruses and so on. And there it seems to be more about the actual shape of the salt crystals. So that seems to not agree well with certain viruses. So that's one part, I think, of the medical aspect of it, or the more basic physical health aspect that. Just breathing that in. And the salt particles being so small. So we actually use a technology to get the fine salt particles in the air. So it's a microparticle mist, has to be smaller than 5 nanometers, not just, you see about 13,000 pounds of salt around here.

That's how much salt's in here.

That's how much salt. Yes, that's the actual walls and the floor and, you know, the salt lamps, if you add that all up, that's about £13,000.

So the salt that I'm looking at, though, or that my feet are in, it's bigger. It's bigger grains. But you have a machine that's pushing microparticles.

Exactly. So we have a machine that's pushing it in that. Because even with all that salt around, you wouldn't have enough salt concentration inside. So a salt mine has thousands, thousands of times the salt here. And so they actually have enough naturally. So we have a machine that ours is relatively unique in that it can really separate the small from the large particles. If you go to some other salt mines, you often notice that you'll have kind of salt, visible salt on your T shirt as you're lying there. And those are really the larger particles that ideally you don't want so much. You want the small ones that can go into all the Tiny parts of the lungs, as you put breath them in and really help to. Again, the antibacterial properties are good there. But also, salt tends to kind of draw out moisture, so it can attract a lot of the mucus and things. That. That's at least what I understand. Yeah. What makes it work?

Is it. So do you have. I'm just curious now, because now I want to know the mechanisms of it, but is there a machine that you are grinding salt down and it's like, doing that, or is it just separating, like, what you have and kind of funneling it back in?

So it's grinding and the salt. So even though we use the Himalayan salt around and we can talk later about the energetic properties and why we do that, you know, and one obvious reason is it just looks amazing.

Oh, it's gorgeous.

Pink glow. This is just pharmaceutical grade salt that you really, primarily here, you want the pure salt, Himalayan salt, healthy to ingest. It has 84 different minerals, but you really don't want to breathe in all these other minerals. So primarily you want the pure salt. It grinds it up, it separates it so that the larger particles stay down, and the fine mist kind of floats up, gets put with a little fan into the cave. And then you see a lot of holes in the ceiling here. So that's an exhaust fan that we turned off so we can hear each other better, and that draws it through the entire cave. And there's a little measurement tool, though, that acts kind of like a thermostat that measures the salt concentration so that we know that the entire cave is filled with enough before it turns down that machine a little bit.

You know, that's. It's. It's fascinating to know that because I've been here a couple times, and the first time I came here, I had no idea all that was happening behind the scenes. So it's fascinating to know that. But the first time I came here, I was so relaxed that there was. I woke myself up snoring, and I looked around me and there was, like, these people staring at me, and I'm like, I'm sorry, but it just happened, like, it was just towards the end. And then I've brought my family here before, and, like, everybody just goes into this complete, deep, relaxed state. And you can just feel the energy shift with people coming into the room. So. But to know all the different aspects of what's going on behind the scenes, that's fascinating. Going back to the antiviral properties, I was curious because I did read something about the Cells use chlorine ions to produce a hypochlorous acid.

Yes.

So is that kind of the two. Well, one thing I heard you talking about with some viruses is the size or the shape of the particle. And then do some respond then to that? Am I saying it right? Hypochlorous acid.

Yes. So this is where I should have stayed in university and studied biochemistry.

We don't have to get too deep into that.

So there is an entire salt, potassium balance in the body that gets affected by that. And I know honestly too little about it, that's okay. But my sense is, you know, again, I look at it from a little bit of an energetic, spiritual point of view. What happened to you when you get so relaxed? Because it's one of the first things and it is surprising. Why should that have to do? I understand the respiratory, but why should that be? You know. But I think there is a physical component to that too. So definitely the salt because it is so universal. It's the first thing everybody says. So that the two comments we get. It is so relaxing. And our sessions are 50 minutes. And most people, when you tell them, we really want people to be quiet. Right. They saw people stared at you when you started. We have little earplugs here if that happens. But generally we're trying to avoid that if other people are in there. And yeah, Most people think 50 minutes of quiet. I will, you know, if you're not somebody who meditates or so. I will never be able to do this. Every time we come in, they say this was 50 minutes. This was never 50 minutes. This felt like 20 minutes or so.

Yeah, yeah.

So there is some effect on the body chemistry, on the nervous system. That definitely happens in here.

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Yeah, so there are two aspects of that. One is this room you have about, you know, three, four inches of salt all the way around and that already isolates from what's outside. So horrible cell reception in here. You know, obviously we want people to turn off the cell phones anyway, but if you try, it's, it's not good. And then the negative ions that go along with the salt, so, so they actually, the negative ions are, I wouldn't even say the good and the bad. It's just we are bombarded with positively charged particles from our electronics, from you know, A.C. that's running heater, all of that. Most of the stuff in the air that's not particularly good to breathe is positively charged. So the salt gives off the negatively charged ions and that helps to bind some of those and helps, you know, again here there is where people have different ideas about this and I think the medical research is still very much behind. But negative ions we generally associate with less acidity, the positive ions with more acidity. Our lifestyle is a very acidic, very high, you know, high energy, high, you know, stress, you know. And so we associate the negative ions with, with lower stress with more the, we could say, you know, even the feminine side versus the masculine side. That's what I'm saying. You can bring in a lot and it's absolutely not necessary to believe in all that. Or to understand all that. But I do feel. Just being in here, you can feel that.

And I don't know how this. I'm just throwing this out. This is from. Because I work with a lot of people in pain. And some of the mechanisms of pain is when there's been trauma or injury or insult to tissue, the tissue goes through what we call this muscle energy crisis, where there's a lack of interstitial fluids and blood flow and oxygen exchange and all this stuff. And so it disrupts the intercellular environment. And when that happens, the neurons stay stuck in this open position, which allows positive ions to flow in. And that triggers a signal that goes to the brain that it's interpreted as pain. So just knowing that there's this positive ion that's going in and too many of these cause that pain. So just thinking about what you were saying about, you know, more negative ions help offset those, you know, I could never say that. How does that work inside the body when you're in here? Whatever. But it's interesting just looking from a pain mechanism point of view, how too much positive things.

Yes, that. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I myself, I go to. He's a neuromuscular practitioner and it's all about that. Right. It's about this. Open neurons that just fire constantly, keep your muscles tight, keep you feeling pain. Right. And I can tell when he, you know, he uses more physical manipulation to help release this. And something like that seems to happen too. That's why I'm saying, I think the actual. What chemically happens with the salt? There's still much more to know about that, which.

And hopefully with like, the cool modern technologies and stuff like that too, we're able to utilize new tools and some of the new advantages, advancements to understand more of the therapeutic benefits. Even playing with like, you know, electromagnetic therapies, I found out by accident that it converts water, changes the PH balance of water. So, like, I wonder again, just being in this environment, does it affect our PH level to be kind of a fun, fun little thing. We could do like a spit test or urine test first and come sitting here and then do it after doing.

After a course. Yeah.

Especially since our bodies, what mainly salt and water were giant fuel cell. Really? And salt. Did you ever see salt, fat, acid, that cv it wasn't cooking. So just even thinking about how fundamental salt is in the principles of something like that. And of course, it is in our body as well. Pretty cool. Tell us, if you don't mind a little bit, I mean, I know first of all, the therapeutic benefits of this just seem to be worth exploring on itself. And going into what we were talking about. We've done podcast previously. If you haven't listened to them, it'll be right in line with our conversation today in regards to like our parasympathetic sympathetic nervous balance and brainwave states. And so in general, if you listeners, if you're listening right now, check those out too. But clearly our goal is to get people to explore.

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Right.

Versus that high anxiety beta state. So just sitting in here and hanging out like you shift there pretty quick.

Yeah, this is fun stuff. So we definitely integrated this into the cave. So here's the physical property of the salt therapy and we're really serious about that with the machines that look for that and all that. But also through the brain and healing science that I practice where brainwave states come in very much. It was always something I still haven't done it that I wanted to explore. You know, make an experiment and have somebody before a healing session, after a healing session, what's the brainwave state? How does it affect them? The same in the salt cave. If we can, you know, hook people.

Up to something, we got to get a neurofeedback machine.

Yes.

We have to invest in some equipment.

But we are looking. When we looked at, you know, there's a little bit of quiet music playing. There is a little bit of the. The twinkle lights that simulate like a star sky here. And, you know, so that looks like a cave with open. The frequency that we use for that is purposefully designed. So we design towards more of a theta brainwave state. So we are using music that particularly engenders that, you know, it's very background. A lot of people don't even notice it, but it has that kind of feeling, that kind of effect on people. The same. If you look at the frequency of how the lights twinkle, it's similar to a, you know, calm heartbeat, 60 or a little below 60 beats a second. So everything works together to have this additional, you know, we really believe in, you know, I would say even medically, you say it's the placebo effect. I think we very much. Let's have the placebo effect.

You know, let's see.

Let's take advantage of.

Fantastic.

It's wonderful, right?

Exactly.

So let's get people here. We could have. There are some salt places that are just white rooms and they just blow the salt in. And it's very, you know, medically focused and everything else is, why do that? You know. But to me, that's the experience that you have when you really relax. Even the physical healing properties, you're much more able to take them in. Right. And so we keep that throughout the entire spa. So even like you said, you felt something. The lobby is beautiful. In the entire design of the. The spa, we looked at that from the very beginning. You know, what do we want it to look at? What colors do we want to use? What treatments work together? So if you're doing the salt cave, often people do them as a package where it's an experience for two or three hours. You're going through different treatments, and the whole experience is designed to really help you get into that relaxed state where you're more receptive to it.

That's awesome. It's good to know you're focused on that theta aspect too. But. And I do want to talk about some of your other services before we jump off here. I am really curious, though, to share. Have you share with everybody too? Like how, like the frequency of somebody coming in. So let's say I don't have any respiratory, because I know that that's a Broad question. So I'm going to kind of drill it down. So let's say I don't have any big respiratory issues or something, you know, that I'm trying to like get ahead of. Is there a maintenance. Like what would you recommend as far as frequency. Frequency for somebody to come into the.

Salt caves in terms of regular visits? Regular visits. Oh, frequency of the frequency, yeah. So if you're not coming for respiratory.

Frequency, sorry, frequency as far as business. Yeah. 33 megahertz.

Yes, exactly. Okay. Yes. So I would say for that purpose about once a week, maybe twice a week, down to once a month. Do something. Nothing good.

Minimum. Bare minimum. Your bm. Your bare minimum.

Yeah. For the more respiratory, it is really good, particularly in the beginning to come, you know, three times a week or something like that come relatively for the salt cave. I have not seen any reason, you know, that there is an overuse of that. I'm in here a lot. When we first started it, we came and we did it primarily for congestion and respiratory problems. Even though then I found a. Oh, wow. I can meditate three times a week for two, three weeks, you know, and then you can kind of taper off a little bit. That's for the respiratory purpose. If you're coming for relaxation, I don't think you can come too much. But if you can come at least once a week, that really, really seems to work. You know, kind of a reset once a week.

Oh yeah. Who doesn't need a nervous system reset once a week? And then how about. Have you seen any correlation or benefits to like coming before for, let's see, a fall allergies? So for people who come in maybe starting, they know every, you know, October, their allergies kick in. For fall allergies, if I started coming like a couple months before, have you seen any correlation with that or heard any feedback?

Oh yeah, absolutely. So. So allergies is a big one, both in the spring and in the fall, you know, then unfortunately right now too with the spring fire season. Right. So we had such bad air and it really, really helps people. The ones that came regularly during that said, you know, that really helps with the allergy symptoms.

Yeah, I did see. I'd got to go back to something because I found this fascinating because it was actually from your website where in Toronto, Canada. And I can't remember what medical institution it was in where they were talking about developing salt lined masks. So in the world of today with masks, is that a thing? Is that out there?

So that is out there. It hasn't really taken off. No, we, you know, we've been a little bit hesitant and careful with COVID We want people to do what, you know, right. Do the right thing for them. But certainly, yes, that was a thing. And that's where I heard that they believe that it was, you know, here you're talking about micro level. The viruses are much, much smaller than bacteria. So and we're really the shape of, you know, that's what I learned in biochemistry. A lot of why our proteins do certain things. It's the shape of them on such a micro level. Right. And so the salt pokes the viruses. It seems to basically kind of explode or something when they hit the salt.

It seems like.

Of the masks. And again, I have no idea how deeply that research was. And when we saw it, it's like, oh, that's really interesting. Personally, I have not use that. You know, I go in here a lot. When it was necessary, we wore the masks outside. But yeah, well.

And again, sometimes you just know about. You just find out by playing and experiencing. That makes sense. And then the salt of walls that I'm looking at right now, I mean, it's like a cobblestone street on your, you know, on your. On your walls of pink Himalayan salt. Does the salt come anywhere from anywhere specifically? That has different benefits than other Himalayan salt areas?

Yeah. So all the Himalayan salt, there are no. A lot of mines for that. So they are all in the foothills of the Himalayas. I think they all actually fall in the country of Pakistan. So we got them shipped. We had an importer that got them shipped from there, two huge truckloads. It was really fun. When they first arrived, we felt like, oh, my God, what are we going to do with all this? And then we had somebody who had worked with that material before, so who knew how to build the walls, you know, out of it. Because you can't use most materials that you would usually use for building. So, you know, most of the salt dries out any kind of glue or any kind of material immediately. And then a lot of other glues are poisonous right in the air. That's, you know, again, often people don't think about it, but in an environment where it's all about breathing, you can't use that. So there's some technology to that too, how to make that salt.

Actually, that's amazing to. There is. It's fascinating. This whole thing's fascinating. There's a lot of other services that you have in the caves, and there's one that I did. I did not do it in the caves yet. And I'm excited to get on her books, but she does the singing bowl and clearing, and then you have some other ones. Could you share a little bit about some of those?

Yeah. So the events in the salt cave, we have definitely the sound bath, you know, singing bowls, gong bath. That's a little bit more intense than the singing bowl. So really letting that sound wash over you and kind of shake loose a little bit of what's going on, you know, emotionally and physically.

It's beautiful.

In the salt cave, we have yoga nidra here regularly, so more quieter, meditative. We just had a chakra meditation, healing workshop here last weekend. So we try to bring, you know, various events into the cave as much as we can. We. We would love to do more, but there's a time limitation. Every weekend we have usually two workshops.

That's awesome. So just as far as when the events are going on. So our listeners can see there's zero gravity chairs in here and there's probably like 10ish 12.

There's 10 we get for events, we get up to 14 depending on the event, how much space they need. Yeah.

So there's these awesome zero gravity chairs. And then you have a little bend to put stuff in next to you. Why, your feet are just covered in Himalayan salt. And then there's blankets. It looks like a stack of blankets over there. So people can kind of COVID up and stay cozy.

Yes.

And so you have the energetic properties of the salt balancing and bringing you out of sympathetic into parasympathetic. The health benefits of the antiviral, antimicrobial, plus all the negative ions neutralizing some of that toxic stuff that we're exposed to on a regular basis. Add that to freaking singing bowls and a gong like you're levitating.

Right. Well, we do. We do have to. We have trouble sometimes if we need to, you know, rebook somebody or still get payment after the session and they kind of close out of here.

So. Yeah. So if you will get your information at the end. But there's so much stuff to check out here, and it looks like you have some other services. And I'm curious just about. I mean, I know we're primarily talking about the benefits of halo therapy, salt therapy, and what it can do and this amazing atmosphere. But your spa is beautiful and you've done a great job. And what are some of your other services and how do you see them integrating into the salt caves?

So we have the three that we always had from the beginning were the salt Cave we have a full spectrum infrared sauna. There's a whole lot of technology and health knowledge around that. But very again, detoxifying, relaxing, you know, heart health, those kind of things. So infrared sauna and then we have a detoxifying foot bath that uses again negative ions. Also very relaxing. So those three services have always gone really well together. You can do them in two hours. And then we have now other than those special events, we have added a lot of really good massage therapists. So we, our philosophy is to, to massage you can get now in many, many places. You know, there's the more medical, there's the more relaxation. But often it's also we hire very experienced massage therapists to fit into that climate. So very often now they're combining that with a 50 minute massage and do like a 3 hour experience.

I love it.

Yeah.

So as far as we could talk forever about infrared saunas too, because I love that and the footpaths. But I'm really curious in relationship to the infrared and the salt caves. It seems like for me, just throwing out my perspective, it would be beneficial to do the infrared first. The salt cave second. Is there.

Do you see a. I think it really works anyway. But personally I love that. Just for, you know, it is the infrared. It doesn't get you sweating as much as a regular sauna. Right. But you're somewhat hot. And then it's actually good to say this best to kind of cool down naturally rather than go and jump in a cold shower. I come from Austria. We have a big sauna culture there. But it's usually the traditional sauna. You get really, really hot and then you throw yourself into the snow in infrared. You generally don't want to do that. You want to let that continue. And the salt cave is a perfect way. You get in here, you cool down slowly over those 50 minutes. You relax, you know, you're already, your muscles are more relaxed after an infrared sauna. You can kind of allow that whole thing to work here rather than jumping in your car and screaming at somebody who cuts you off in your traffic right after that.

Then you're like back to the salt cage. Yeah, it just seems like too just like the respiratory and like you've been in there breathing easier that just everything's opened up to like receive the soul, you know. No, that's amazing. I'm going to book a three hour session here for sure. So tell our listeners how can they find out more information about the salt caves, about you booking events, just anything extra you want to add in there that they can have resources for.

Okay. Yeah. So our website is really the best place to go. It is five star Salt caves. The number five then. Star like the star in the sky. Salt like the salt, obviously. And caves plural. And you will see the information about all the services we have. There is a little place if you're there for the first time, you can download a document about more details about the salt cave, even some things we didn't even cover here. And there's a little coupon code on that as well. Phone number is 855-578-2725. Or come to, you know, West Wash park. Beautiful area. Walk by and just walk in and, and check it out. We are right now still somewhat limited in terms of our hours ever since the whole Covid thing started. So we are open 10 to 4, Wednesday through Sunday.

Yeah. And just, you know, Marcus is super nice and he's a wealth of information, so he's more than happy to. I'm just throwing it out.

I'm usually here now too, so you can.

He'll take your calls 24 hours a day, seven days a week. His cell phone is now.

Thank you.

No, but it's such a beautiful space and again it falls right in line just with getting people to experience different health and wellness things. And so I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and being on this podcast and you know, giving our listeners a great experience. And you guys have to come check this out. I've done it multiple times and I'm definitely going to do the three hour session. I want to do the whole enchilada and have a nice spot day for myself and take care of myself. So I appreciate, appreciate you, Marcus, appreciate your knowledge and thank you so much.

Yeah, thank you, Brian. That was fun.

All right, thank you listeners too. We will put Marcus's and the five star Salt Caves link on our podcast notes so the phone number and website will be in our show notes too. As always, thank you for listening to us. And Amy, we missed you so much. We can't wait to have you back on the next one. And please share this podcast with all of your friends and family. And please take on the adventure of exploring health and wellness and come to the Salt Games.

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