EP. 48 When you don't feel like it

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Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment.

Hey friends, thank you for listening to the All Things Good for you podcast. Join us as we explore ancient traditions, modern tools and practices in the world of health, wellness and personal development. I'm Amy Christiansen, your host and your curated mind coach.

And I'm your co host Brian Bowen, founder of Integrative Health Inc. And Better Human Company High Performance Coaching. Are you ready to take control of your life and start feeling enthusiastic, empowered and limitless each and every day for a life well lived, let your curiosity flow with all things good for you. Howdy Amy.

Hey, good morning. Good morning. Hey, good morning.

Good morning. Good Thursday morning, April 6th. Just got back from spring break. Missed you.

I know. I did a podcast without you.

I did one without you. Gotta tell you, it was nice to do one on the beach though.

Oh man, I heard your pre recording and it is magical. Even just hearing it in the background was nice, huh?

Yeah, I missed the lush tropical green environment. I do love Colorado, but landing here in the winter compared to theirs, a very different world. Yeah, there's beauty in both.

There's beauty in both and we are at that tipping point of Colorado weather where it's brown. It's brown.

Yeah, it's brown. For a long time we have different, different shades of brown. Well, we have a variety of hope here in Colorado.

Oh yeah.

Thank you for getting up and do this. I know we're a little behind as far as I took a trip and these are typically not our jam because of our schedules and I know we both got up extra early to get rolling with this, but it just pulls into the conversation about sometimes we need to step in and do the things even if we don't feel like doing them. Like I know when we're jam packed it doesn't feel awesome to get up earlier to do these things and but the value personally that I get from it, I don't know what all you get from it but for getting up and doing this and staying consistent and staying dependent with it is so rich for me. I always feel super jazzed after our conversations and it's always an opportunity to spend more time thinking about our things. We're going to be talking about and a lot of self reflection and in a way it's kind of like journaling a little bit. Right. Get a lot, I get a lot from that. Even though journaling I might bring that conversation in. But so thank you again for doing something even though you don't feel like doing it sometimes.

I always feel like doing a conversation with you. It's just the timing of it. Yeah. And in the sake of authenticity. Yeah. I've had, I was cranky this morning for sure. It's not always rosy and exciting and you're not always just. Yeah, no, it's frustrating. I have a lot to going on and not that you don't, but you know what, it's. It's okay to be real about life sometimes and just be like, man, I, I'm juggling a lot of things. There are a lot of like tech frustrations, last couple of days and this morning. And yeah, there's some days where you wake up and you're just like.

I like the sound. You get your cranky pants on. You got your cranky pants on. And I love the sound of your cranky pants. Here's my cranky pants sound.

Throwing the ER every now and again. That's. It's a perfect thing. Right. Because I know, I know that I am doing something that I care about. I know that it's something that we've invested ourselves into. I know that I'm going to always feel better too after doing this. It's just like anything else. Right. And you do pick a time frame. Like we have made a commitment and we hold each other accountable and we find ways to push it in. I got up this morning and did my little ice face wash for 30 seconds. Maybe it was 45 extra, a little bit extra this morning. And then I went out at sunrise, played with my dog for about 10, 15 minutes running around in the field and observed sunlight and got some burst exercise in and then rushed back in to get some stuff done before this and before work. So I know that there are certain tools and things you can do to help push yourself into the. What? The chemical reactions of your body that requires motivation. So you've got your mindset, you've got accountability, you've got long term focus and you've got like the physical aspects of pushing yourself into motivation. It's good because today we're talking about doing the things you don't feel like doing.

Sometimes you just got to do them. And you know, I feel like that's what separates separates a lot of people from achieving their goals is. There's a lot of time, a lot of times people have desires and goals, but the steps required to get there. Having the vision is one thing, but doing, doing the work and putting in the effort when you don't feel like maybe you're getting as much out of it and doing the small steps is critical. And that's what really makes a difference. I have a Zig Ziglar quote for you. I just, I love Zig Ziglar so much. I want a book of all his quotes.

Yeah.

It seems like I just gravitate to him or I'm gonna get one. But I have two. But one is you don't have to be great to start, but you have to start to be great. And just the word start. Right. Is a super powerful. We just have to start. If you don't want to go to the gym, just show up to the parking lot. Just start. I feel sitting down to writing sometimes or things like that. Sometimes I'm like, oh, I just don't feel focused. I don't feel grounded. I'm going to give it five minutes and like you just, you sit down and just go for it for five minutes. Go for whatever task it is. You get in your rhythm, you're getting the thing. So just start.

Yeah. And there's a lot of research on that. Like that. If you just do the 5, 10 minute thing, just set an alarm for 10 minutes like on a project you don't want to do or a chore or whatever and just take, just take five or ten minute chunks and get started. And a lot of times the things that we're putting off or procrastinating or avoiding, you find that you get so much done in 10 minutes. So if you just set it aside to be like, okay, I know, fine, I don't want to do this, but I'm going to commit to at least this. And then it's done on top of that. If you're doing that on a regular basis, then you're going to build a habit in. And it's going to become more of a. And not. I would. Not in a bad way, but it does. It becomes an addiction. Your body's expecting it. Your nervous system starts expecting it.

Yeah. And the consistency of just sticking with it is. And it's critical.

And it's fine to stomp your feet a little bit while you're walking into the gym. Just it's fine. Probably helps lymphatic system get started.

If you're stomping it's funny against just mindsets with certain things, sometimes these things are really important. These things have to do with achieving big career things or whatever. And sometimes it's small. Like, for me, I got to tell you, I was never a flosser. And finally I hit a point where I'm like, my gums are really important to me. And plus, I want my wife when she makes out with me, I want to have good breath. And so I put it as. I put it as a more important thing. So I water pick every night and I use a dental floss every morning. So I have two different styles of flossing. But my point of telling you this is that was a really hard thing for me to just do, even though it's so stupid and so simple. And now it's become such a habit. Like, even if I'm tired and I'm already in bed, if I forgot, I get up and I go do it. Because now it's, oh, no, I. It's a must and I find reward in it stuff. But it's. It's so goofy how I had to, like, really realize and convince myself how important it was to start such a small habit. That is ridiculously important, though, sometimes.

And that's. I'm sorry. Gosh. Cutting you off this morning. Whatever I was gonna say. But yes, you sometimes have to set a motivation to do something based off of a different type of motivation. And emotional social pleasure is a very big motivation helper. I hated running. And one of my. The only way I would run was that it ended up in a social situation. So back in Texas, when I lived there, I would run and end up at a Starbucks where we had a big group of friends that got together in the mornings and I would have a chai and have social hour with my friends. And when I moved to Colorado, it became beer because we found a place where you ran a 5k and then you got like $2 beers afterwards at an Irish bar.

That's fantastic. Yeah.

And I've created. I had so many really good friendships developed from that time. And if I wasn't drinking, I'd. I'd go downstairs and get a pint with tea in it. Trick my brain into thinking it looked like a beer, but it was still a social tea. A pint of tea. Yes. With no ice because it looks like beer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you have to find that motivation. Like you said, you brought it into the social aspect. But I think sometimes a lot of it just comes from even the dialogue we have inside of our own Brain. And I think we need to get clarity on why we're doing certain things. I think it's important. First of all, when you're looking at implementing a new habit, you have to start becoming disciplined with certain tasks. I think, of course, it's important to really understand is this going towards your overall goal, is it going towards your purpose, or. Because I know there are some. Some things where we waste time and sometimes you have to delegate things, and I get all of that. But when we do need to dig deep and we do need to have something identified that is grinding away towards our goals or grinding away towards our overall mission, we need to be clear and have a lot of clarity on why we're doing it. And then that helps us convince ourselves more and we have more conviction. And then that sparks the willpower to actually get up and do it. Because when you totally are convicted, when you totally have clarity about that task, about that thing, about that, the then grinding towards your goal, that behavior that you have to start doing, or the habit that you have to change, then the willpower is much more robust to actually get it done.

Sure. And you've got to find that space that this is worth it to work through the discomfort and pain of doing something you may not feel like doing. Sometimes it's. It's worth it to not be in pain, or it's worth it to have this good feeling and this reward or that may be. And getting clear on those things and paying attention to it, it seems so common sense. It really does. You and I have been in this space for a long time of helping motivate people. I think you and I both started off early in life as personal trainers. I worked in a gym setting since I was 16, and then I went into, you know, physical therapy and the coaching world and the rehab, all of these things. And it's like we are pretty familiar with seeing people meet a challenge and then helping them push through the difficulties, the fear, the uncomfortableness to get to where they want to go. And I think you can look at any of those approaches to something even, like from my nutritional coaching process, if you just break it down into, okay, what's. Keep the focus on the end goal. Break it down into small tasks. Right. Make. Break it up and show up in small ways. Be consistent with what you're paying attention to and create that consistency and have compassion with yourself. Just, it's okay to, you know, take a step back or do it a little bit less or be cranky while you're doing it. You're Going to get back on track. All of these things. Like you, it seems so common sense, but it happens all the time with even the greatest leaders and achievers. And there is little. That little thing that you were talking about this morning that became an ugly word when we were children. That is very, very key to success in whatever you're doing. And it's the D word. The D word.

The discipline.

Oh yeah.

I think it's a good one to talk about. I'm just finishing. I was thinking about discipline a lot. I was actually reading, never finished David Goggin's book. And that's his driver that he learned from his grandfather that really saved him was discipline. And what he certainly attributes to him grinding away through all the pain and stuff like that. And there's a quote by Jim Rowan, discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment. And I really love that quote. But I feel like when we're kids or you're a parent to a kid, you talk about the word discipline. But then I feel like after that, like how much thought do you put behind discipline with yourself? Right. I look at my friends who are ironman athletes or endurance runners, really high level, successful business people. Some people that I've coached that are just on top their AA game, they're so disciplined with some of their processes. And it's all the little things, Right. That you wouldn't think about. So it's not just the big discipline to the overarching thing. It's the attention to details and discipline they put in every action that's leading towards that goal. And so that's that compounding effect that we just keep forgetting about in so many ways. How those little things to stay disciplined with the little details compounds for this bigger thing to blossom. Right. So that ironman athlete, it's how they turn their head when they swim. It's their, the details of their stroke they're swimming, it's their nutritional building and stuff leading up to a race. It's like all these little things and they're so amazingly disciplined and you don't have to be at that level, but we should certainly stop some of that mindset.

Yeah. And I think when you, even when you look at that, depending on where you want to go with it, everything starts with a baseline, like their discipline. I read somewhere like Mac, I think it was Michael Jordan still does the same basic drills and warm ups that he learned when he first started trying to learn how to play basketball. To this day, that's what he practices over and over. And so it's These like base, repetitive, simple processes. And when you and I know when we approached somebody from trying to be successful in something, whether it's this big, huge work goal or health goal, we go back to some very basic disciplines like the baseline. Are you doing these very seemingly simple, basic things? Your sleep, your basic food nutrition, you're clearing some space for rest. How do how you know clearing your clutter in your home? It's amazing what having a good routine with having chores and laundry and things put away helps with de stressing and time management.

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But if we don't think about the discipline in these little basic areas, you probably won't have success and discipline in the big things. So you have to take a step back away from the obvious and go, what are the little things that I can be building and helping myself build some discipline in these simple things first.

Yeah, there's so much more space. So much space. I was just, while you were talking, thinking about what's the difference between routine and then discipline as far as doing certain habits. I just think about people maybe that come home, they've had a stressful day, they plop down in front of the TV and they're there for three or four hours. Right. It's like this person also might be a person. I'm going to talk about something that irritates the crap out of me that I'm trying to educate them. They need to stretch more or they're going to end up having a back surgery or fusion if they don't get more mobility in this area. Right. And so it's like you could take 30 minutes of that three hours and implement and be disciplined about incorporating a mobility routine, stretching routine or something like why you're doing that. Right. And so we have to look at the routines or habits that we're doing. And again, still question, like, how is that serving us and is it fitting into goals? Is it robbing time from us that we know we need to be doing more discipline things? And I know we always like to default exercising that, but it's amazing. Going back to the stretch and I was nitpick about that. Like, how many people have you. I remember doing some hip mobility stuff with some. This guy and I'm like, if you, if we do not get this range of motion over here, you're looking at a hip replacement. Because what's going to happen is you're going to end up. There's a lot of compression. The compression is going to lead to inflammation. This long term inflammat going to lead to degenerative changes, arthritic changes, and next thing you know, you're going to have to have a hip replacement. And it's like, how much more convincing do you. How much more convincing do you need? Guess what? Ten years later, hip replacement. And so my point is, it's like there's some things that have very clear outcomes. And if you need to get more clear, how did. How does that person need to be more convinced? How do they need to convince themselves that this thing has to be done right? And sometimes it's again, chunking away at the small things. Like, hey, if I do this for 10 minutes, why I'm watching Miami Vice, I wish I was still on. That was such a good show. Why I'm watching Miami Vice, then maybe it's not going to fix me today, but what could it look like in 10 years? Would I have to have a hip replacement then? So I just totally went on a tangent. So I'm sorry about.

That's right. Maybe we. Maybe our next one should be talking about pet peeves. I like that. I have a couple.

Yeah. Yeah, Good. Let's do it. I got a list right here.

Let's have a whining, complaining podcast episode.

All right, that's good. How to get it out. How to whine authentically and gracefully. I think that why you drink wine.

No. Yes. Yeah.

Wine and whining. Wine and whining.

I think it's funny, but there are just some. Yeah, I totally went a different direction in my head just now. So now you're gonna have to come back. Bring it back, Brian. Bring us back.

All right, so that last little podcast that I did, which I wish there was other. So much I wanted to go, but just tying into that, sometimes when you need to Be more disciplined. It's those voices that you have to recruit. I talked about that, like, sometimes I have my nice voice. That's like, today I could have slept and it's more of my day to sleep in and get up and get going and sleeping in like 6 o'.

Clock.

So it's. I had to get earlier. And it's okay, Brian, you can do this. You can just go ahead and get up. Your alarm went off. You got this, buddy. And then sometimes you have to be like, dude, get up, get your done. You have an obligation. You make sure you put the time in this morning so you actually can have a conversation and get some stuff done in the morning. So it's like, what voice do you need in your head talking to you to help you get more disciplined? What Persona do you need to adopt? Who do you need to bring in? What character of yourself do you need to build up more? Bring in? Because sometimes my own character doesn't serve me well. Sometimes I have to change my character and step it up.

Yeah, I. Yes, I will be doing a character change later myself, but right now I'm working on it. Working on it. Getting my attitude in the right space. You know, the problem's not the problem, Brian, it's your attitude. Attitude about the problem. You know who said that? You know who I'm quoting?

Zig. Ziglar. Sig Ziggler.

No, Captain Jack Sparrow. Hey.

I was actually just where they were filmed. Where they filmed the first Pirates of the Caribbean.

Oh, I thought they filmed that in Costa Rica. Not Costa Rica, Puerto Rico.

I think the first one, I think when I was on my tour, it was the. I think it was. The first one was filmed there. So the.

Nice.

Yeah, because there was part of it that was filmed on the Nepali coast.

Yeah, I would imagine they probably had to do a couple spaces. Maybe it's not all in one area.

But that's what I want my next job to be, my next careers. I want to be a pirate film. I know, yeah, I'd love to be a pirate.

A film.

So I graduated from wanting to be a pirate since 14, silly. Now I want to be on the film scouting crew where I just have to like, go to different places and be like, I think this would be a good place to shoot Pirates of the Caribbean. Let me spend another week or two here and really explore a little bit more and let me dive into the environment.

Nice. Nice. Yeah, that would be fun.

What's happening?

That would be fun. Totally. I still want to be a pirate, but a Movie star pirate. I don't want to be like a real pirate because that's terrible. But.

Maybe this Halloween, you need to dress up as a pirate.

Did I. Have I told you that one year? I did dress up as Jack Sparrow. Sparrow. My kids went to a small private school for just a little while in Texas, and I dressed up as Jack Sparrow. And I went to a performance costume place, like a theater supply place, and got the makeup and the glue and the. I did the beard and everything. And nobody at the school knew who I was. They didn't. Some people actually still thought I was. They thought I was a guy. Maybe even. They did not even know who I was. I did that. Was that good with my theater and my performance. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Good job. Let's hear your theater. No, let's hear your.

It's been way too long. It's been too long. It's been too long. I do the best Jack Sparrow walk, though. That was the drunken.

We're gonna have to. Pirate walk. Listen, the best drunk walk.

Pirate. Drunken pirate walk. Because they're walking on. They're walking on the deck. So they wander and put. That's why he walks with his arms out. Anyway.

Yeah, he's got a lot of. He's got a lot of arm movement. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh, he's so funny. It's such a good. Anyway, so back to discipline and doing things we don't want to do.

Yes. Grinding away.

This all leads to one of my favorite things. I have to bring it up. Dopamine.

What is it? Oh, yeah, dopamine. We're gonna tattoo on that. Tattoo the dopamine on your body. I tried to find molecular structure.

I tried to find the little meme about Huberman doing all the recordings. Like, somebody put this stream together of him saying all these different dopamine things. It's really funny. But I couldn't find it because. Yes, that's. That is. We have to talk about. Just like the social connection, love and affection and hugging is oxytocin. You know what you get that charge while you're running or exercising is adrenaline. Then there's the dopamine. We just can't not talk about it because dopamine is significant. And there are some things that we can do to inspire our body to have a balance of dopamine, a reserve of dopamine to engage with the dopamine, and then you have to replenish your storage of dopamine, which you just did, by the way. Going on vacation, putting yourself In a different environment. Yeah, yeah. We also refill our.

Maybe you should bring in those. Maybe you should bring in. Because when you say dopamine, when you give me some. So you talked about the vacation, sleeping. But think about again, you talked about organizing or you know, exercise, or maybe it's sitting down and clearing out your desk and getting a bunch of paperwork done. Like how does one feel what some sensations. Because maybe some people don't. Can't even connect to what that dopamine feels like. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

So give me a visceral feel of what am I feeling after I get my. All my cluttered desk of paperwork organized and like cleared out and I don't feel as overwhelmed staring at it. And I'm not avoiding it. What does that feel like?

I probably won't say it as in depth and scientifically as Mr. Huberman could.

Say it, but no, I don't want scientific. I want. What do I, I don't want any science.

Well, you just feel it. You feel inspired. Basically there's a reward and an inspiration. So the dopamine processes is not just the motivation but the looking forward to and the process of reward afterwards. So like you can refill it every night when you sleep, you're re stocking your dopamine so you wake up with that new refreshed. You have motivation and drive. Right. That's a refilling of your dopamine. People who have a deficiency in dopamine, for whatever reason, they're the ones you know on top. Significant dopamine is Parkinson's, right? Like significant decreasing or deficiencies in dopamine, you would experience Parkinson's. So it has to do with patient and muscle movement, muscle firing, as well as just your ability to get up and do things. So it's your little reward. So let's say you're out for a run. And I don't know if we've talked about this before, but let's say you're out for a run and you're going to run five miles or you're going to run three miles, whatever. And you don't like running like myself. You would set little visual goals instead.

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So you would look at I'm going to run to that stop sign and you'd. That would. You would have a little increase or release and firing of dopamine to encourage you and inspires you to hit to that next level. But you would also then when you get there, you get a little push of dopamine and adrenaline, epinephrine as a reward. Does that make sense?

Love it.

Okay. Yeah.

I was just going back. Sorry. I'm trying not to lose a couple things I was thinking about when we were rewinding back to some of the other things you're talking about. I was just thinking about. So the little spark I feel or the little extra pep in my step that I feel after I do some of the things is my dopamine A little bit.

It's more complicated than that. It's dopamine. Along with oxytocin, adrenaline and serotonin. You're getting this little flood of things. The balance between dopamine and epinephrine or adrenaline are the main balance for doing things. Those are your big ones. So you, you get it. You put the dopamine helps you build that anticipation, get there and do it and then, then you get a little dose of adrenaline and then you do it. You play back and forth with each other. And that's why doing the little small things is helpful. If you break it down, you have little wins. You're. You convince yourself that you can do it. You get a little celebration and then you keep going. The tricky thing is after time you can actually train your body to be over dosed with dopamine to where you continuously raise that dope. I've talked about this before where you can have your baseline changes, whether it's a basic big achievement and your body has this big surge of adrenaline and this big surge that you had a use of dopamine and then you flatline. But you can also do little things every day that you're constantly giving yourself these little rewards for achieving something, whether it's a positive thing like making out with your wife because you brush your teeth really well or you're you're picking up your favorite coffee drink on but your body can get tired of that. The consistency of reward actually messes with the dopamine baseline. And so doing something like what you just did, that's a big change, a full relaxation. It's settling for your nervous system. A change of the environment, something that's totally novel and new also has a, an effect to, to re establish a lower dopamine baseline or a bigger reserve of dopamine. Again, I'm not an expert on explaining it, but that's the idea of why you, you get bored and you need novelty, you need change and you need a true resting and reset to help you re establish those dopamine pools. And that's why it just makes sense is okay, people reach burnout, people get bored with a routine. You need something to inspire you. You need, that's what, that's what's happening on a neurological or chemical reaction in the body process. But you can do, you can do it with food. Like if you're, you could be disciplined. But if you're battling unhealthy gut or a poor diet, you're not getting things like tyrosine, your bees, magnesium, L theanine, vitamin D. Wow.

We went from a discipline to a nutritional. Yeah, podcast. I like it.

Those are all that, those are all foods and vitamins that we need from our food to help build dopamine. They directly affect dopamine. Things like high end tyrosine, L Theanine and your bees all help build dopamine. And that's why it's, it's when I was saying like we want to take these base things like okay, we're going to go, we're going to force ourselves to get up and go to the gym, we're going to force ourselves to get up and go to work. If you don't have good sleep and good diet, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Can you push through that and have the discipline and the drive? Yeah, but you're going to have a lot easier time with it. It's going to seem a lot more doable and natural and sustainable frankly if you have those baselines first. So start with the sleep, start with your diet, start with your gut health. Start with some like actual relaxation time.

You know, I still personally think, I that sometimes we just overthink it too. I think it's like sometimes we spend too much in our time in our head, letting the voices and having the dialogue. It's like this.

Get up and do it.

Shut the up and just get up and do it. Who cares? Quit thinking about it. Quit spending so much. You're wasting so much time and energy by having all the internal dialogue about it. Okay, I know I need to go write this chapter for this book. Yeah, just go sit down and do it. Just get started. Yeah, I don't want to do it. I'm tired. I already put so many hours in today. I need a little extra break. I already like the amount of time I feel like we spend whining about stuff or making excuses to put it off or whatever is so draining of energy to begin with. It's just. Just go do it. And then feel. Get in tune with your body. What does it feel like when you have that accomplishment and. And recognize that and then let that kind of build on itself, too? And again, you might not know that's the dopamine or whatever, but it's just. Quit overthinking it. Just go do it. We spend so much time making excuses, and I hear them on a pretty regular basis, and I catch myself making excuses, a human thing, but it's just. Quit doing it. Don't do something. I don't know if you talk about hating running, and I like running, and I don't like running. Every time I go on vacation, I always run because it's such a great way to see things and to explore and experience the environment, especially early in the morning. But I'm gonna sign up for a marathon. So if you want to do a marathon with me and be my marathon buddy.

No, I've already been down. I've been in that chapter of life, and I am not interested in ever running that long, consistently on the ground, on pavement, for ever again. Yeah, put me in water.

It's not about the T shirt. I'm going for £11. BMI, baby.

That's fine. There's other ways to do it at your age, Brian, but whatever. You could do whatever you want, however you want.

But it's one of those things I've been thinking about for years. So I finally. It's like one of those things. I want to do it because I'm uncomfortable. I want to lean into that uncomfortableness and maybe never finish. David Goggins, he runs 100 miles, 240 miles. So I'm just like, okay, I can run 24.

No, not 24. 18. But no, wait, it is 20. It's 26.2. But yeah, I've run 18, and I don't ever really want to run that far ever again. I'm good with It I. There's a little part of me that wants to do the Leadville heavy half that I had to bail on last year and for some health reasons. And there's a little part of me that kind of wants to do that. But running, climbing and hiking up a mountain and then running back down is totally different than running around in a line or a circle on the ground. I just said for some reason to me, I'm just like, oh, no, never again. I want. I would rather just lift weights and run little sprints to drop my body fat says I don't.

I love doing all those too.

I think some people are just designed better for long distance running. I don't know. But yeah, that's me and my decision making.

That's good. Thank you for inviting surfing lessons. Yeah, you're welcome. We were taking surfing lessons with this guy and he's. He's a little heavier set. Really awesome, funny guy. And there's all these mountains around us and I'm like, I bet you get a lot of great hiking in there's. Looks like there's so many amazing hiking trails here he goes. No, I don't hike. My body's built more for the water. The surfer. I don't. I wasn't built. I wasn't built to do that.

That's okay. I know what you're saying right there, but it's a way of decision. Everything's a choice. Could I force myself to be a runner again? Sure. But I have no dopamine levels for that. My dopamine levels are geared for other things now.

Y hope I think we got some of our point across. I think again, getting clear about the things that you're doing and what. Looking at the habits and the routines and stuff that you're doing, looking at your goals, looking at your purpose. Do. Are they matching up with that? What new things do you need to start. Start doing what do you need to adopt? What mindset? What behaviors, what habits? And even if they're uncomfortable or you don't feel motivated to do them, just start and just start adopting some mindset of you have to grind a little bit and you have to. Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishments, as Jim Rowan says. I think it's important. I think we need to do more. And I think there is a balance of working smart and working hard. And I grew up, you know, learning a little bit a lot more about the working hard and grinding. And it took me a long time to feel comfortable delegating and working smarter and stuff like that, but there's. There has to be constant effort put in to keep the momentum going and to keep the drive going, to keep the forward momentum going for all of those goals. And even if you don't feel like you're making headway, that's. We have to learn from some of those failures and we have to pivot and. But you don't stop, right? You just, it's. There's small changes in directions or small pivots that have to happen, but you just keep applying and you keep learning and you keep grinding away.

And that's true. And I think that there's a certain and I think there's a certain level to that as absolutely true. And then I do think there's another side of it that we should probably do a follow up podcast on. But seriously, of that space space of. Because we do have a lot of people who have burnt out, who reach complete overwhelm, who are un. Creating unhealthy environments in their space because of that type of mentality that we have to be going, you have to be grinding, you have to be hustling, you have to be doing these things all the time. And I know we talk about it a lot, but it just, when you were saying that, it reminded me of something that a friend just recently we chatted about and just that space of just relaxing and do you have to always be on, do you always have to be making self improvement? You always have to be. And I know, I know we know that. We do not say that. But you have to find that balance. But there's a lot of people out there who don't understand that balance. And I frankly want to live as long as possible. And there's a lot of people who live by that philosophy of grit and never stopping and pushing yourself in that constant adrenaline rush and that constant push, the constant next thing. And I really truly believe that those people will just be burn themselves out. And it's. Let's that balance that, the elusive balance of work, life, enjoyment, all of that, I think.

Yeah, I agree. I think the one key though just to pause, jump in here. Sorry to interrupt you, but one key I think that I believe is if you're grinding away at things that don't fulfill your purpose, that don't fulfill your goals, your destiny, if you're grinding away at a job that you hate, you're in an environment of people that don't, that's not a good culture or a good fit and you're plugging away and you're grinding away then I 100 agree with you and I 100 agree with balance. But when you're in your world of.

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Drive things that you're passionate about and that's serving your purpose and stuff. Grinding feels good. I don't feel like I. I'm constantly doing, but all the things I'm doing, I don't like. They're fulfilling. To me, the grind is actually enjoyable. It's not. I feel like grinding sometimes gets this. You went right to that place where I feel like, like grinding can get this. Like, it always seems negative, but I don't think. No, I don't think grinding has to be a negative word. Even again, just to reference David Goggins, the. The fulfillment he gets from pain of grinding is just different. But his mindset and his relationship is different with it. But that's because he's doing something he's super passionate about. Right? That he's super. That's his purpose.

Yes.

If that wasn't his purpose, then I'm sure he'd feel that if you put him behind a desk and said, hey, you have to work 14 hours a day doing data entry. Feel different about that. That's a different kind of grind. And that kind of grind would be way more torturous for him than to be doing the Leadville 100.

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. So I think it's identifying, making sure your grind, the task that you're doing, that you're identifying as a grind is again, in line with your goals, in line with your purpose, in line with your destiny.

Yeah. And I think there's a. There's that space of a balance of you have to. There you can have enjoyment. Like for me to think I'm going to go out and start training for a marathon, I don't find any excitement in that. But could I find fun? And even when I was doing long runs and doing like the half marathons and stuff, I would run for, it was more for fun. Yes. I pushed myself And. But I always enjoyed the process. And so there is that space of you find discipline, and sometimes you have to push through something that doesn't feel like fun, doesn't feel great, doesn't feel like you're rewarding in the moment. But I just wanted to throw that caution that we weren't leaving the podcast with the idea that you have to constantly be grinding and pushing yourself and finding that reason to go to the next thing. There are levels of intensity. I'm. I never, frankly, want to be as intense as David Goggins, but he's a guy.

And that's.

It's a physical examination. Yeah. No, and that's everything, I think. But, yeah.

And that's. Again, that's a big physical. Like, physical exertion and all that stuff. But.

But I got clear. I got clear on that.

I dare say. Yeah, no, I think it's important to understand. Like, I thought that was a good point to bring up and have to talk about. What does grind actually mean?

Yeah.

And define it, because I do feel like it automatically goes to this place of the idea of burnout and stuff like that.

I know. It's just. And there are some times where you have to be that with yourself, for sure. And it's not all happiness and flowers and butterflies and everything, but I. I think that there's a level of that space where we can keep motivated, whether you have to kind of cheerlead yourself, coach yourself, David Groggins yourself occasionally. That is awesome. But I think that there are some little ways to get started. And I think, like, to our point when we started the conversation about this process is, if you can't run a mile, walk a mile, if you can't write a book, write one sentence, and you just get started and you have those small rewards and then keep just trying to see if you can make some improvements and learn and grow and find ways to do things that keep you inspired, that give you enjoyment and fulfillment. And the number one part of all of that is your clarity. Like, I got real clear that I do not want to run a marathon because I had some experiences. I did do a lot of running. I was running half marathons, and I decided. I got real clear that, okay, this was a good experiment and experience, and I learned some good stuff, but this was not my jam and didn't really make me feel excited and great. And I find there are other ways to be healthy and exercise that I do find more enjoyable. So I got clear on that. And I think to our point again, of, okay, wake up or go to before you go to sleep. Get clear on what your long term desires and goals are. Whether that's the actual achievement of the thing or the outcome of the thing, or the feeling to get the thing. You need to know where you're motivated from, what's happening, what's your goal. But be willing to put forth little steps, keep some discipline, set some good foundation baselines so that you can achieve those little goals along the way. But a regular check in with yourself on where do you stand inside, internally, and what is the long term goal that you're wanting to get to. And pivoting is very, very okay.

Yeah, I think it's also okay to do something that you don't want to do that's really hard to lean into it. And again, like, for me, I don't want it like the marathon, it's not my jam either, but I want to do it because I also know that it's going to help me know it's going to help me build even more.

Chin splints and structures.

Yeah, whatever. To be able to accomplish something, a bigger goal. Sometimes it's great. Like sometimes it's great to chunk away at small things and build confidence. It's kind of financial wealth. It's like one of the ideas is you pay off all your little debts first before you even tackle the big debts, even though they're higher interest, because it builds that reward and it gives you confidence that you can do it right. And then sometimes it's no, you go big, you tackle the big guy and then all of a sudden all the little stuff's like super easy. Both approaches, I think are great. And I think it's fun to explore. And some people are totally. I work on people who are completely lost in this life and have no purpose. They don't feel in line with any purpose. They don't have goals. So you can see why it's really hard to be disciplined, to do certain things right. Sometimes I think you have to go out and explore and just again, try different things. And so sometimes it's real easy. To be clear, we all know meditation is awesome for you. We all know exercise is good for you. We all know nutrition is critically important and all these things are important. So of course those are easy things to, to be clear about, to start tackling. But then some of the, the other things that we have to develop habits and stuff for and drive aren't maybe as clear. But sometimes clarity comes out of doing those other things.

Yeah, yeah, no. And I think big goals are great. And pushing yourself to do something that's challenging and hard is a good thing because you just, I think you convince yourself a little bit more of your resilience and your strength and that carries over to other situations in life when things are going to get challenging and difficult, that you will have that sometimes self confidence and self efficacy that no, I know I can do these. I know I can do this. I can face this life challenge because I've pushed myself physically hard. I've, there's, there's a marine saying, I think I've said this before and I should look it up. But it's something to the fact that you suffer now to have peace in moments of true of the battle or something to that effect. So you're training your body to deal with stress and challenges and your brain so that when life does throw you difficult times, you've, you really have built up the muscle, quote unquote and the real muscle to deal with that stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right.

I love it. I love it. Thank you. Thank you, Amy, for getting up early and doing this with me on Thursday. I really appreciate it. And thank you everybody for listening. So start doing the things when you don't feel like doing it sometimes and just step out into it. And you don't have to be great to start, but you have to start to be great.

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Yeah, thank you. I'm so glad you're back so that you could do that and say that because I had to remember to say that last time. I'm like, oh, I gotta do Brian's part.

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Thanks, bye.

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