EP 63 Exploring Ozone Therapy

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The improvement was statistically significant in favor of patients treated with ozone therapy, total or almost total remission of pain and 88.2% compared with 59% of the steroid group. Hey, friends, thank you for listening to the all things good4u podcast. Join us as we explore ancient traditions, modern tools and practices in the world of health, wellness and personal development. I'm Amy Christensen, your host and your curated mind coach.

And I'm your co host, Brian Bowen, founder of Integrative Health Inc. And better human company High performance Coaching. Are you ready to take control of your life and start feeling enthusiastic, empowered and limitless? Each and every day for a life well lived, let your curiosity flow with all things good for you.

Good morning, Brian.

Good morning to you, Amy.

How are you? I am really good. How are you?

I'm wonderful. I had just came off of four days with hanging out with family and decompressing.

How nice is that?

Sounds like an oxymoron, though. Sometimes. For some people.

Some people don't decompress when they're with their family. Is this what you're saying?

Some people, yeah. My oldest was in town and she's very lovely. It's funny though, having the oldest leave. That's a big personality. And then having her back for a week is. It's. I love her to death. Oh, wow. It's amazing how big of a presence she has in our house.

Oh, in a good way.

In a good way. But yeah, it's. If you think I go like every second there's a plan being made and whether it's friends or it's just like how, I don't know, how you can go to three concerts three nights in a row and that's. It's constant moving energy.

Yeah, Yeah, I was like that once. I feel like once I was for a long time. I mean, that my nickname was Spaz for most of my life.

Can I just. Can I call you Spaz? Can I just keep doing that?

I think you have to call me Spa now because I'm not really that spazzy anymore. I feel like Spa is much more applicable.

Spa. Spaz. Spaz.

I'm just more Spa. He's just Dropped. Drop the Z. I'll do that.

I'll call you that, yeah.

Goodness.

Goodness gracious, yes.

Happy Thanksgiving to all in this country and wherever you else are, other places celebrate. I know Canada has one. I don't know if anybody else has one. I think it's just us. I think they have their own traditions of, look what we did.

Look at us.

Look at us. Look what we did.

It's a good. It's a good time. It's a good time to be thankful, hang out with some people, hang out with friends, hang out with loved ones.

And new people and new friends. And I like, I like Thanksgiving. It was never my major holiday. I usually ski on Thanksgiving, but we didn't have very. We didn't have good enough weather ahead of time for me to make a decision to go. So I did not ski, but I will. I plan on skiing very soon. I love the winter and I'm glad it's here and I'm very grateful that I live in a place where I can go ski.

All right, countdown's on for it. There's already three places open, so be patient. You're almost there.

I know I'm going to be spending my winter at a basin. So that's.

They're open and ready for you to rock and roll.

They're open. I feel like now they. They might be. They got a little extra snow, but anyway. Chit chatting. We both have things to do.

All right, let's do this.

I don't know how to. I don't have any story to bring us into this, except that I think one of the things I appreciate and one of the things that has spurred us on to starting this podcast in the first place. And we kind of work in the biohacking world, as you might call it. I know biohacking is a term that has become really popular in the last few years and now it's maybe not so popular. I think it's already becoming like one of those slight irritations. But I don't know, I think that we're always just. I appreciate that we as people are always looking for new ways and insightful ways and self motivating ways to improve our world and our life and our bodies and what stemmed on our podcast in the first place with all things good for you is just exploring maybe these non traditional or non. How will you say it?

Conventional.

Yeah, non conventional things. Ways of maybe doing things to improve our life and our health. So, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about that a little bit today.

Another thing. Yeah. Some people, the word might. I think there's a lot of people who don't know what the word biohacking means still. And even though if the word phases out of popularity at some point, the desire and the creativity to support and create new products that are all biohacking type products, if you will, Whether it's the smartwatch to count your steps or to monitor your sleep, or to tell you to breathe, or thousands of years of meditation. Right. For forever. People have been looking for other ways to biohack, whether it be mentally or cognitive or using technologies in today's world, which is pretty awesome. I love the fact that people are wanting to take control of their health and their environment. And I think it's freaking cool. All the blending of ancient wisdom and modern technologies that support that is pretty fascinating. Fascinating and really fun.

Yeah. And historically, everything that we use today in accepted traditional medicine was once a fringe alternative, questionable, rejected biohacking. It used to be condemned to do work on cadavers. That was considered an outrage and it was condemned to do that. Everything has started off with the curiosity of an individual or a group of people who wanted to understand something better. And if. And that outside fringy type push is what gets the demand for more research and more backing to then become mainstream and accepted. So I'm all for safely investigating ways that we can improve our life, improve our body. So I think we're going to delve into one that maybe have has had some criticism in the past, but over the last several years has gotten more and more positive research behind it. And yeah, it's something that we are looking at for ways to help with pain and healing. And excited about it.

Yeah, I've had this one. What we're talking about today is ozone therapies. And I've had in the past two or three weeks, I've had three different people, patients bring this question up, asking what I knew about it. Or they went somewhere where there was some device that was being used that had some ozone properties built into the device. And so I figured, just as you and I were talking about it, it's a good thing to bring up and get ahead. Yeah. Also because I'm not aware of all the different things it was used for. Just even diving in and researching this a little bit. And like you said, it's important to always approach any new thing very safely and with caution. The therapy that we're talking about today, certainly an unconventional intervention. So just be smart, be wise, and do your own research. We're Just here to talk about what is it and what are some things that's being used for. And answering that question so that when my patients ask that, I have some better answers as well. And then, heck, I'm. I think I'm going to play around with some of this myself and do some experimental stuff on my body.

Here's my first tip. Don't inhale it.

Yes, that's one very clear thing that it is not for, is you do not want to breathe it in.

I think, yes, there are some standard, logical precautions to anything. So that's a big one. Apparently. Just jump right into that. But yeah, just to say, when we talk about ozone therapy, there are some things that have popped up. We are not experts and we're not dissing it or promoting it. We both are looking at research and evidence. And I think there's enough intriguing positive research that's being shown that it warrants a good conversation. And I'm excited about one particular area or interested in one particular area for my. A family member who's been struggling with some pain and some injury, that there's some hope, less invasive hope for pain control and healing. And so I think it's just like anything we. We're going to dive into it, talk about it. Everybody go out and do your own investigating and make your best decision that works best for you. Talk to your healthcare provider strongly.

Yeah, absolutely. I do want to jump in, if it's cool with you, to just talk about one thing that was confusing me in regards to ozone therapy, because we definitely know it as a pollutant. Technically, at a ground level, it helps with the smog that we breathe and stuff like that. But in the atmosphere, it does help protect us from UVs and is actually charged in that realm. But not to get into the O3 and O2 and all that good stuff. We do see it as this bad thing. And so it's, how can a bad thing then be a good thing? And one of the other two opposing forces a little bit in my brain was it's utilized in thousands of different ways anywhere from cleaning our water. It's an antibacterial, antimicrobial. It has all these things. So it seems like really aggressive. And it's known as to be unstable, but it's an oxidative thing. And when we think about our body, we don't like the word oxidative stress. Right. Because that is. That leads to early cell death and like all this stuff. And so it's weight, if it's oxidative and they're using it literally to clean stuff too. How can it be healthy for the body? But the theory is that when you control the amount of.

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Let's drive Ozone. Whether it's through an injection or whether it's through rectal application or all these other things we can talk about later. It actually stimulates the body's antioxidant response. So which is interesting. So there's a whole theory and if you guys want reference this book the ozone Miracle by Dr. Frank Shallenberger. He seems like he's been leading and doing a lot of research as far as that goes. But this idea that it's an oxidative thing but creates a mild oxidative stress which in turn activates the body antioxidant defense mechanisms is really just interesting on how all of that works. And so there's a lot that goes into it. We don't need to jump into every little detail of it. But I just wanted to bring that up because that was a struggle in my brain on how it's beneficial. So just interesting to like how do you contemplate that? How does it make sense?

And I think it's interesting one your two selections of treatments. But we'll just skip over that. And I think it's interesting.

Rectal is apparently a really good one for affecting detoxing the liver.

Yes.

And healing the gut.

Of course. I know I'm just messing.

Not that I want to do that.

Amy. Hey. And if you did, I'm not judging. Just do it in your own space. Anyway, thank you.

I'm doing it right.

I'm doing it right now.

Oh dear Lord. I, I just as you were talking though the things that reminded me of the like this. We consider this to be bad. Where did penicillin come from? And the way you work with that. There's just about everything when done in the wrong way or an overextended way or in a non controlled way can be dangerous for you. So I'm not entirely surprised that we've come to this. And then it's just like inflammation also inflammation was, is, has been given a bad rap. But at some point in some ways we need inflammation cortisol. Another one been Given very bad rap. Oh gosh, don't have any. No, you actually need some. And it's meant for a lot of good, healthy problems processes when done the right way and in a controlled process. So lots of things can be bad for us but that are done in the right way can be good for us. Keeping all of that in mind, that's the way we approach a lot of our modalities and researching and looking at things to talk about. It's okay, what's the real, what's the real application? How is it really being used? What's what research is being shown. And then not with this all or nothing type thinking. Let's just be a little more open minded and ask a little bit more questions. Let's get curious. So let's get curious. What is ozone therapy?

What is it? Amy, tell me.

Ozone, right? It's O3. It is an extra oxygen molecule. And again I am not an expert on this. So if there is an ozone therapy specialist out there that would like to tell us if we say any of this wrong, feel free to reach out. We would love to chat more. But basically it's an oxygen triatome with high oxidant power. Powder power, not powder. It is not a powder, it's a gas. Yep. And that's basically the science of it. It's just composed of three oxygen atoms instead of two oxygen atoms. And it has. Well, I'm just going to read up. Oxygen has a half life of 40 minutes at 20 degrees Celsius. I don't know. I am not. I don't know what that means, why that's important. But that was in my stuff, my notes. So there you go, it must matter. And you've mentioned a couple of things. You know you can get, you can use this. There's direct in injection, there's transfusion, like IVs. There's rectus rectal in insufflation. That's a new one for me.

Yeah, so that's goes into a bag and it has a little catheter that you put in rectally.

Okay.

So like you're doing an enema, apparently you just push the gas out of the bag of your booty.

I'm guessing there's a lot of control that processes there because I think there are other orificas that you can do that in as well. I've heard a couple of things and it's, I think that it's been used in those ways. Specifically a vaginally and rectally for cancer treatment. But that's just on my, my initial readings and then skin exposure. So like a barometric oxygen therapy, it's similar to that, right?

Yeah. So that's the one thing that, that definitely makes sense in my head is the hyperbaric oxygen chamber really helps tissue repair. But it's, it's that rich oxygen environment that's pushing oxygen deep into the tissue. And so when we again researching this, they do talk about that as one of the therapeutic processes which makes sense because it's thought to enhance oxygen delivery into the tissue as well, which therefore stimulates all this great cellular metabolism and healing like the hyperbaric chamber, which again blood flow, nutrition, nutrient delivery to all those areas. So that makes sense. But there is a conflicting thing in there as far as. Because you have that extra oxygen atom on there and again you can't breathe it. So when you think about oxygen and this, you don't want to breathe, it's very confusing. But there's a whole host of things that happens when it's introduced into your body. And the one going back to that free radical stuff that's interesting that I read is that it immediately forms lipoproxide, which is that type of free radical, which then this is that component that, that actually becomes beneficial for activating the body's immune response and antioxidants and anti inflammatory properties. So it's pretty, pretty interesting in that instance it's. Oh wait, so you're creating, I don't want to say a micro trauma.

Right.

But you're creating a small amount of inflammation to stimulate these things. But at the same time you're also enhancing the oxygen delivery to the tissues which then in turns does other stuff. So that's, I don't know, there's a couple different things going on I'm trying to put together in my brain.

But yeah, I think from historically, I think that's what it has been. It's been around since the 1800s. Right. But I think if I'm correct, I think that's correct. It's been around for a very long time. Yeah. But it's just got a resurgence because of the, I think the ability to safely administer it and, and understand how to monitor that a little bit better than we probably did back in the day, many days before. But the O3 therapy, I think the most it's been used and seen the most benefit in historically has been for wound healing and tissue healing. The peripheral disease ischemical wounds, diabetic processes and disease processes. So it's gotten the most use there and it's been shown to be very effective in that. And so then it's now it's starting to grow in how else can we use this for tissue healing and the deliverability of that and those things like what are some of the areas that we're using this for? Okay, we know that it's good for skin and some cellular activity. But then we can get into the iv, the intravenous and then the injections, which there's a couple of different ways about injections that I'm very excited about. I know that the research, if we can jump into that a little bit, there's a lot of research that's very exciting and supportive of really positive outcomes for low back pain, disc herniation, all and they've done cervical as well as lumbar. But of course lumbar is usually the safest and easiest record because just the size of the disc areas that you're. We're really finding a lot of, you know, positive research is in that lumbar spine, whether it's intervertebral or the para. Intervertebral or directly into the disc. There's a couple of different indications for when you would want to do that. But it's. That's showing some really exciting and hopeful results for people for pain management, cellular healing to not necessarily always avoid surgery, but certainly as a way that maybe if you're not having luck with conventional treatments that this is an option to consider and that there are some really good results coming from it. I can read some statistics if we'd like.

You go for it if you feel like if you want to pump those out, get them out there.

This is from just directly from a couple of. Just a couple of research papers and we can cite those in, in the notes. But 171 patients were treated with epidural steroids. And I'm going to read just directly from the research. And 180 underwent the paravertebral infiltrations with medical ozone at three weeks follow up. The improvement was statistically significant in favor of patients treated with ozone therapy. Total or almost total remission of pain and 88.2% compared with 59% at a steroid group.

That's pretty huge.

That is and 6 months the evolution was excellent or good in 77.1% of patients treated with ozone compared at 47.3% of people treated with steroids. And there are a number of studies like that. That's just one of the clips that I took. So there's quite a few and there's Some larger studies in Russia, Cuba, Spain and Germany where they're the study groups are more like thousands of people with the same ultimate percentage is about 78% to 80% of people. Long term benefits from pain control and remission of pain from mostly low back is what these studies were done for people with proteusions, herniated discs spondylolithesis and those pain areas coming from from that but some with upper cervical spine too there's definitely but as I mentioned those are just a little more carefully looking.

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Just because it is a delicate area.

Yeah it's interesting because I love musculoskeletal stuff and so I actually did get certified to do ozone injections but I just didn't do much of it because I did I wanted to know more about it and I just got busy. So I do have the ozonator but give me a joint give me something. I'm going to inject something Amy if you have it but for it's approved in 20 countries for medical applications and the musculoskeletal piece is always a needed area on how can we improve our therapies and utilize it even in conjunction with other therapies to help the healing speed up Especially for some people like athletes that might have a window that they have to get things moving a little bit faster. But the one other stuff I found interesting that I'm interested in is just the breaking down of chemicals of toxic chemicals in our body. So they use it to break down chemicals like a lot of manufacturing processes and things like that. But they talk about utilizing it to help your body break down chemicals and get rid of it. And then I read some stuff around like mold exposure how it's huge for getting rid of mold exposure and then even like Lyme's disease. So a couple like really stubborn ones that we do see people come into the office for that there's a lot of head scratching going on and a lot of people are doing a lot of IV therapies for some of that stuff. So it's oh you can literally have somebody do potentially do some of these therapies safely to contribute to the acceleration and work in conjunction with other Therapies to help get them better faster. So those are some areas of interest. For mine, I like the detoxy, getting rid of those chemical parts. And then again, it looks like there's some parasitic possibilities.

That was my next question. You jumped right into it. That's awesome.

Yeah, so see, don't, don't judge me for putting it because that's where it's got to go for that.

I said I wasn't going to judge you no matter what you're doing with your body. Okay, listen, let's keep this on track. I'm sorry my, my little 14 year old brain went there. But it's interesting just though touching back on how big of a impact mold infestation is making and how significant that is to our health. And so many people have mold toxicities, they don't even know it. They don't even know why they have this odd persisting. And it can be these ailments, these illnesses or dysfunctions. It can be masked to so many other things. So it's hard to locate, hard to figure out. And same thing with the Lyme disease, right? So a lot of people have Lyme disease who have no idea that it's Lyme disease. And it shows up as all these other weird symptoms and docs are having a very difficult time catching it. And it can stay in the body for a long time undetected. Even if, even if it does show up as Lyme disease, at some point they can, it can look like it's gone away and then it can have a resurgent later. So I don't know exactly all about that, but it can be dormant and come back apparently. So that's exciting. I did not know that. I guess I read briefly, but I didn't delve into that about mold and Lyme because that can be extremely healing and then parasitic. That was. I literally was thinking, gosh, I wonder how this works with parasite toxins because same thing, it's very you. It's sometimes very challenging to really kill off a parasite or even know that you have a parasitic infection or met festation. What would you call that?

Yeah, growth grass.

I would call that grass. Even though some of our parasites are really good for us, there are a lot of bad ones out there that we don't even know we have. So that's very cool.

Well, that's one of those things too. Like if you have, and this is me personally, I'm not telling anybody, go do this. But I have zero problem if I have something weird going on. I have Zero problem stepping out of the conventional zone. I support both. I would do conventional things and I'll do unconventional things. But if I have something weird going on, somebody can't figure out, or if I have some. Something that's really stubborn. Again, when you're taking anti parasitic medications, they're pretty harsh. Right. And so I have zero problem stepping out into the unconventional zone and trying something as long as I'm certain that there's not a lot of negative side effects. Which so far in my research on this, for taking, for performing something in that way and introducing it, it doesn't look like there's any. Certainly going back to breathing, you don't want to do that. That's why I'm confused. I'm just going to back up there. If you go on Amazon and I just want people to be careful. If you look up ozone therapy, if you start going on Amazon and looking up ozone devices, they use different things. So ozone devices are really big for water treatment. Like your water treatment facility literally uses ozone to help kill stuff in the water and to break down chemicals. So that's pretty amazing. But you're going to see air purifiers that are huge for ozone because they eliminate odors, but it's still producing ozone. So my confusion like with the water makes sense because it's ozonating it killing stuff and heck that's, that's good. Ozonated waters. As far as this research appears to be a very good thing to ingest. But an ozone air purifier is then putting that ozone in the air. And I remember I had bought a long time ago, like in the 90s, I had bought this funky cool air purifier that had these metal rods and it was really weird. And it had to do with attracting stuff to those plates.

Yeah.

So electro and electro, which I think a lot of house cleaners have now this electrical kind of component to it. But there was always this interesting smell in the air when I would run it. And I think it's because it was actually charging the oxygen part, which is then turns it into ozone. Because you need an arc, you need some sort of electrical charge. And I think back in the day that's what that smell was. And because it's a. They say if you smell, if it smells like rain or something, that kind of essence, then that's the ozone. So how would. I'm just posing a question. I'm dancing around this. So if you go to Amazon, you type in ozone, you're going to see a lot of ozone air purifiers. But again, it's not good to breathe ozone in. So I would be very cautious about buying a ozone air purifier for sure, because that's one way it seems like you do not want to have administered is through the respiratory system.

Right. No, I think that's a good caution, and I'm sure that there's some safety regulations around that I would hope. But no, I have no. I have no education on that space, so I can't even speak to it, but it seems rational. But I do want to just step back to the fact that you said Funky and the 90s, and you know where my brain went.

Funky Cole Medina.

We just need to. I don't know if there's trademark things on that, but if we could just plug a little funky Cole Medina in right there, that'd be great. Take us back.

I'm terrible at trivia. I can't believe I pulled that one out.

Tone Loke, man, he was so. I don't know what he's doing nowadays, but that's great.

It's great.

I did not follow the history of Tone Lokes. Yeah. Anyway, very fun. You could you just maybe do your funky col. Medina dance and breathe in other type of filtered air?

Yeah. No ozone.

Oh, my goodness. Okay. Yeah, we have. So let's maybe investigate the air filters, water filter. I think that there are some good options out there. I'm sure that people can do their own research. And I think Dr. Russell, the functional doctor I work with, has actually a device that he recommends to his clients. So I may have to check into that and come and follow up on it. But I feel like the most used ones, other than the direct wound healing, is the IV and the injections, those.

Are look like are the most used that you would want to for sure do that in a clinic, obviously, for yes, versus because you can go and buy your own ozonator. But it does require you to buy an oxygen thing, which a lot of times you have to have a prescription for anyway, to get an oxygen tank to hook up to the machine that then creates the ozone. And then on the other end of that ozone machine is going to be devices that you would plug in. For instance, like an ozone injection. You have the oxygen on one side, you set the dial for the concentration of the ozone, and then a syringe would screw into the other side, and literally you hit a button and it fills that syringe up in two, you know, point one second. And then you unscrew that and Then that is how you inject it. But there's bags, if you're doing it rectally, that then would attach to that. Or there's a bubbler that if you want to infuse any oils that they recommend, then you would put that bubble bubbler on there, which then you put the liquid in and then it brings the ozone. And you run that for a while before you can use it. But I don't know. I'm curious about the stability of the ozone in an oil. Like, how long would that be? Would that be stable to be beneficial? And then what really, how much absorption do you really have rectally? It makes sense. Usually that's a huge absorption. I used to joke around about if you really want to get the most out of your vitamins to take them rectally because your intestines absorbed 80% and it bypasses the destruction of the stomach and stuff. So don't do what I'm suggesting. I'm joking around, but not at the same time.

Yeah, I think there's a lot there. But yes, if you're not fighting the intestinal tract from the stomach down, there is a quicker absorption through the colon, rectal linings. Right. Let's just not. We're not specialists in.

In rectums, rectal.

Absorption of ozone or supplements or any other type of thing. So we'll leave that to another podcast day. How about.

Did I just put us in the liability zone by talking about.

I have no idea what we're doing to ourselves on this one. Sure, we're gonna get all kinds of. Of flags and warnings. So just remember we're here to create curiosity.

Curiosity. And again, when you get curious, these are the questions you have to ask. I think we're just talking about like, the way this is how my brain's functioning. When I'm curious, I'm like, what about this? Or what about this? And clearly somebody else had to be get curious at some point because why would somebody decide to put ozone up their butt? Like, they had to be curious, right? Okay, ozone's good for this. This. I bet they had the same thing. Wait a second. If I have this rectally, I know that the, that by bypassing this process, that therefore I. I get better absorption. And then they had to start experimenting and trying it and all of a sudden, oh my God, this is. This healed this. And then they gave it to a friend. They had a great friend that convinced them to put an ozone up their butt and they did it. And they're like, oh, my God, I had more liver detox and they had another friend and they're like, hey, I want you to put this up your butt.

And.

And next thing they have a study that formed and then, you know.

So I'm not surprised. Curiosity is entertaining and fun. Let's just. We can get curious about all the things and I'm not really surprised that our conversation went this way. It's fine. I didn't think it. It was, but it's fine. We just. Let's go back to other ways. But no, I. It is. It really is important to just one. Have a little bit of humor in your life. For crying out loud. Stop taking everything so dang serious. Get curious and ask questions. Laugh about it. Heck, try something and share with your friends. But just be safe.

I know now I'm gonna do this podcast over because I feel like we were way too serious at the beginning and now it's just getting exciting. So let's just reset here.

Yeah, I think we can have fun as part of what we do. We're. We're so how we are. We're a little bit serious. We're a little bit fun. That's good. Let's say what we talked about. Some different ways it's performed and administered. I have no idea. I think just depending on the different types of admin ways you're administering. It has everything to do with how many treatments and how many things you need. I think it is safe to say it is not a one and done no matter how you do it. It looks like there's usually several treatments, but it also looks like it's fairly affordable.

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Drive for the effects that you're getting from it. So I just looked up a couple of things. It is by far not a right across the board but injections into the soft tissue like trigger points. The para intervertebral which means getting to the intervertebral so close to the spine but not in the spine. It's the joint facet and it's the muscles around the spine which was creating a lot of pain relief in and people with low back pain. And then there's the actual inner like into the disc injections. Right. Which this what I saw was just into the soft tissue because going into the disc should be handled by a doctor who is ex. Very well trained. I don't think anybody out there is going to be like hey buddy, let's try inject our discs this weekend.

Yeah, that'll be done under fluoroscopy or ultrasound guided. And yes, you know that's not going to be. That's not your cheapest optional.

No, but soft tissue injections may can be anywhere from 150 bucks a joint and you can do a whole lot of trigger points in that timeframe. But you can go in and get some of these treatments in 15 minutes to 30 minutes, maybe an hour. And those are some of the things that people were seeing though. That 80% increase in remission of low back pain, severe low back pain, ozone IV, the autohemotherapy. There's. There was anywhere from $175 but you're doing several treatments, several passes of that. And so anywhere from 1 to 3 to 7 to 10. And you can buy packages at some places that do this obviously. And the websites that I looked up were all MDs or a doctor trained in those, qualified doctor to administer these injections and iv. So again, not going to a spa to just hang out, not going to your buddy's house on a Friday night.

Yeah, there's this one really cool looking machine. I love machines and gadgets but there's one called a Ho cat infrared ozone sauna. So it's got like 10 different things and ozone's one of them. So it ozonates the water so it creates a steam inside. But you're in the cabinet so your head's outside so you shouldn't be breathing it in. But then they combine that with, with infrared and what all do they combine it with? 10 different things. Aromatherapy and light and electrostimulation. Holy cow. It's like you get in this pot and that just looks fun.

I'm gonna ask. I'll follow up on that because I believe the hocat is exactly what Dr. Russell has in his Dallas office and has been using that with his clients.

Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, ask him about that.

I'll ask them how maybe we'll have.

Him to talk about it more and more. Carbonatic acid transdermal technology. Doesn't that sound fun?

I just have to go research that right now. What? Say it again. Carbonatic. What?

Yeah, so it is C, A, R, B, O, N, I, C. Okay. And then carbonic acid transdermal technology.

Trans. I'm totally looking this Up Trans.

That's what the HOCAT stands for. So the H is hypothermic. O for ozone. C for the carbonic carbon.

Okay.

A for acid, T for transdermal. T for technology. By the way, we're not supporting this. We're just poor. I'm just pulling cool stuff up.

We are just being curious.

Being curious. Just being curious.

All right.

I think that's got some people thinking. But yeah. So I think for again, stubborn stuff, this could be a great therapy for people to like at least look into and explore a little bit.

I think, yes, we're just wrapping up here. But the things that if there are very few negative side effects, like the needle is very small. If you're doing injections, the other treatments are slim. Again, don't breathe it, don't inject it into your eyes and professional purse at all. Yeah. But specifically people that were considered to be possible contraindications to some s. Systemic ozone therapy. Uncontrolled people with severe cardiovascular instability, seizures. Obviously pregnant patients are not necessarily indicated. I obviously, for obvious reasons wouldn't even go there. And then favism. So glucose 6 deficiency. Those folks apparently don't have the right enzymes to even process that extra ozone, that extra O3 molecules. So don't do that. But overall most people are safe to do this and to. To check into it. There were very little negative side effects and less actual negative side effects than using things like steroids. Overall, I feel like it is safe. The it is not approved by the fda. But I will also say there were lots of things not approved by the FDA that have become approved by the FDA later to which then was taken over and used for monetary anyway. And then I would also say that what I found in the research, not my personal opinion, just what the research was showing, the things that were stated as reasons why had not been approved by the FDA was simply lack of the amount of research needed, which has been the case with most things and very limited. I'm talking one or two life ending results from an association, not necessarily direct cause of ozone other than the people who decided to inhale it. So Ken, don't inhale it. Don't go to a clinic where they might be using the same injection needle on multiple people without sanitizing it. And if you have known blood disorders, cardiovascular disease and that kind of thing that are unstable, you might want to be concerned about that. But I feel like now we've had a very huge reinsurgence of research in the last couple of years. There was some positive treatments being shown in the treatment of people post our last world event. So there are some positive things coming from that and I think that will be spurring on more research. The fact that I think we can go online and see a lot of MDs and Chinese medicine doctors using this as an alternative treatment for people with good results is encouraging. So take that as you need.

Yeah. And in fact it's approved in 20 other countries. It's worth picking up that looking into that book too. I'm sure that he's got a lot more research and stuff, so it's another place for information for you. But as always, the book was the Ozone Miracle, how you can harness the power of oxygen to keep you and your family healthy.

Nice.

So his name is Dr. Frank Shallenberger. All right, so he seems to be one of the main leading researchers with it. So as always, get curious and have fun.

Get out there, get out there.

Ask questions.

Brian Happy end of November 23rd. Crazy wild that we're already at the end of the coming up to the end of the year. We have some exciting podcasts coming up over the next couple of weeks and I'll see you again soon.

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Thanks. Bye.

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