IF YOU'RE BORN INTO POVERTY, DO THIS TO COME OUT!

Low self-esteem can put you in the place where you marry the low-budget version of your desire. Low self-esteem can put you in the place where you marry somebody because they look like who you should have married, but you can know it for the rest of your life that I could have pursued this dream, I could have gotten better at this, yeah, I would have knocked this door, I could have built this relationship, I could have followed after this, I could have— but because I felt it's not for my kind. There's a concept called the concept of fatality. The concept of fatality would mean that, yeah, God is the one who determines everything ultimately. Yes, it's a very dangerous concept. You see, we talk about overcompensation, but when you have dealt with poverty, you also under-negotiate. It's the reason why you have value to offer and you cannot even tell them what you deserve. I call it the Jacob syndrome, where you look at 7 years of your life and feel it's—

wow.

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Poverty is something that we deal with in our— not just in our generation, it's been as long as human civilization itself. Even the Bible mentions it in passing. It says the poor you'll have with you always. People don't like to be called that, but it's the reality of many people. When we talk about poverty, what's your first thought on that?

You know, sometimes I've heard people say things like poverty is not when you lack money. Poverty is when you lack ideas. And so on and so forth. While I understand that you cannot separate poverty from depravity, the moment you don't have what it takes to get the basic things of life, the basic things of life, the way the UN will put it is that anyone who lives below $1 per day.

Yeah.

So if you don't have what it takes to afford the basic necessities of life, I think that's poverty.

This is the case of a lot of people. This is the case of— so I want to come from the angle, and you made it, you made a statement that a lot of people claim that it is only— it is not only when you lack resources that you are poor, you know, and you, you've debunked that fact. But that has been the narrative for a long time, that you can lack money but be rich in other things. And that in itself, it's wealth in itself. For example, a good name. So what is the connection between virtues and having finance? Because many people will want to equate and say that's not the ultimate test of a person's—

I think I get what you're saying, the concept of a good name. I think we can call that social capital. Yeah. But again, I still will not want to move from the fact that it doesn't matter how good the name is. If a person cannot afford the basic necessities of life, that's poverty.

Yes.

Yeah. There are statements that I feel are a bit harsh. I'll explain.

Take responsibility for your statements.

Yes, say when we say a man that cannot take care of his household is worse than an infidel.

Yeah.

Is that a harsh statement or is that a statement of fact? Because there are factors that many might want to argue might be the reason why a person might tend toward that reality.

As to whether it is harsh, maybe it is. As to whether it's a fact, the Bible said it. Yes. Um, I think the context is the fact that one of the signs of godliness is that we are able to mature to do in every season what the season demands. Now, I've seen in cases, very painful cases, where— and permit me, and this is not a way to generalize this conversation— maybe a man and a woman married, there is no food in the house. The man sits down pressing his phone The woman can't even afford pure water. He won't apply for jobs. He feels too big for the ones around, and the woman is there in agony. She's there in pain thinking of how to escape. Um, he took her from her father's house, um, in very good condition, and now she's becoming a shadow of herself. If a man won't make a move in that situation, to do anything to cater for his family. It wasn't an infidel.

Sure.

So it is in that context. Again, the subject of poverty and lack is such that the society can be a lot emotional about, and I think The most important thing is that we've got to separate those emotions so there can be clarity.

Yeah.

And then people— because if you have not properly diagnosed the situation, the person who is battling with that may not get the help that they need. While sometimes it sounds noble that people genuinely care for those who are in that state, it is also important that we don't build a society where we do not provide what it takes for people to come out of that state, which includes number 1, knowing that you're there, number 2, having the right knowledge, yeah, to come out, and number 3, the right opportunity to be able to come out of that situation. If you don't accept that this is my state, you will not embrace the knowledge, and when the opportunity come to come out of it, you feel others can go get it, I can't get it. So I think the most disturbing thing is when there is lack in the place and the person is not aware, or is aware but is not willing to do anything.

Take responsibility.

Um, that is a very chaotic situation.

Do you believe there are poverties that are orchestrated institutionally? I mean, a deliberate plot to keep people at a level? Let, let me just share a, a research that I came across.

Yeah.

And, um, they were speaking about, um, it's on social welfare and the idea, the concept of social welfare. And it's this, um, those that qualify for social welfare are those that do not work, those that are jobless, so to speak. If you can work and if you work, you are off the—

if you earn a certain amount of money, you no longer are, um, eligible to get to the social, which also means that if you get that kind of amount, you're going to have to pay tax.

Yes. So a lot of people end up faring better when they depend on social welfare as opposed to when they work, because now when they're working, they are earning not as much as they even were getting from the social welfare, but now there's tax involved, there are bills to pay, and then it appears as though the people are better off when they are not doing anything and depending on social welfare. Do you think that there is poverty that is institutionalized?

Let me give you an historical fact, something you can go verify. Anybody can go check this up. When the Native Canadians were conquered, Gordon, and, um, you know, displaced and those things that happened, there were institutions built around them to keep them marginalized. And one of it was the structure for social welfare, in the sense that you provide basic things for these guys. They are not strong enough anymore. You see a structure where— a structure that looks kind. Stipends is sent to them every month.

Yeah.

And also side by side with that structure is the availability of money without purpose and without a pursuit. Now you see people now get hooked on drugs. It now becomes an institution that when they get the money from the government, because it keeps coming.

Yeah.

And now you don't have to work, and that you don't have to work means you don't have to pursue meaning. So what are you going to do?

A purposeless life.

It's a purposeless life. So you see the cycle of drug, crime, women. And this is how many civilizations have been wiped out. So you must understand that when you build emotional structure around people that takes meaning from them, you establish them transgenerationally in poverty.

True.

And it's a dangerous thing.

True.

So as to whether it is a deliberate structure and all that, my dad taught me something while we're growing up. If something goes wrong in the house, and he's going to ask, who do you suspect? Maybe something is missing or something like that. And you, you— it trained us, you must have an intuition. You should have someone in your mind that you think, wow. And so it taught us something, that if you want to know who is responsible for something, you want to check who benefits from it. So the question is that if you have poverty in a society, who benefits from poverty in society? Number one, the powerful benefit from it because When you have vast number of people who are poor, then they become controllable, they become usable, yeah, they become cheap. You can get them to do anything, can be weaponized, they can be weaponized, um, as against several agendas. You use them to run propagandas. You can be showing up in a city and then pay 1,000 people ₦5,000 and get them to show up for you in mass at the airports. You take the publicity as a sign that you are you are a popular person there. But people were able to come out of their houses to come stand here because— not because they like you, because they're in the state where they are buying. Oh yes, they can fill stadiums for a person they don't like because at the end of the day there's going to be cheap salt, cheap bag of rice, and sometimes not even rice. We've seen places where it is garri, sugar, and all that. And so who benefits from people's luck? Whoever benefits from it needs the system to continue. So poverty is a multi-billion dollar industry, and, um, yeah, it keeps the powerful in power.

In simple terms, the rich benefit from the poverty of the—

I didn't say that. I didn't say that.

You said the powerful.

I just painted the situation, and there are things that we can observe all around us. For instance, the schools, what are they designed for? Or as we have it, yeah, why are there no consistent upgrades to put people in the situation and give them the perspective where they can be able to also compete for certain strata in life? Why is it that the system keeps people in a mold where the best they can be is to queue behind those who had gotten it right? So again, the question is, who benefits from the lack of the people? Fake religious institutions will benefit from it because people can now be used as experimental guinea pig. You can gather them since there's nowhere to go. You post the pictures online and it looks like it. And I use the word fake religious institution for it deliberately. Yeah, because if you have religious establishment that gets it right, there will always be empowerment. When you see the ones that don't get it right, they will always exploit the people. So a poor person is beneficial in many ways than he realizes.

When you say more beneficial in mass, when you say empowerment, Um, someone might think, um, empowerment like in similitude of what we see in the government do, give handouts and all of that. What's your idea of empowerment?

You've not changed a man's life if you have not changed the orientation. That's the empowerment I'm talking about.

Yes.

The fact that people will come and find themselves in clearer light. I don't think anybody who is genuinely a leader will meet people small and keep them small. I don't care what organization they run. Whether business organization, whether industries, whether religious organization, as long as you're dealing with people, there should be transformation.

I want to get a bit personal, and I'd like to get you into the conversation also. Have you ever experienced luck? Hey, that laugh!

I was born into poverty, into lack, serious poverty.

The first time I, I heard you say that, I didn't believe that you were— it's difficult. Yeah, it's difficult to believe because it looks like you've really fought a long way. Yes, yes, sure.

Wow, that's testament first of all to the fact that being born poor doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be poor, you have to remain poor, but Can you draw us through the journey of your, your experience? And then this is where we are going with this conversation. What are the effects of growing up in a depraved environment on the mind of a person? What, what, what was your experience like? What were the things you experienced growing up because of the environment that you were born into?

So first of all, I was born in a family of 10. 8 children and my parents.

Ah, that's a football team.

I hear that a lot. I get that a lot. So I am the sixth one.

Wow.

So I have 5 elder ones. You know that kind of family where they are looking for a male? Oh, just keep trying and trying and trying. So the, the person before me is a male, but I think it wasn't enough they wanted more, so they kept trying and trying.

And the rest are just, you know, girls.

So we are 7 girls and then 1 guy. I come from a family where you have to make what to eat per day a prayer point. You have to look to God for a meal. So when we go to school— when we went to school, rather— and, you know, we're being taught in— is this social studies now? That um, the normal eating, um, eating schedule for a family is 1-1-1. Yeah, breakfast. I could not relate because I'm like, why are you wasting money? So there's poverty. I was born into it, but I did not even know that we were poor.

And then there's January with 60 days.

So there is all of that. So, you know, we had to, um, at some point we had get the children— some of us, yeah, all of us in fact had to get involved in, um, hawking. You hawked several things before I was even involved by my parents. I had to take the initiative because I have always liked the idea of providing for myself. I liked buying things for myself. I liked buying my school socks, as little as, you know, all of those things. So in primary school I joined a club. I can never forget the name of that club. We called it Achievers Kiddies, um, team, you know. And I remember that in one of our club meetings at the time in primary school— I was in primary 4— yeah, I learned that you could— there's something called— what's, what's the name? What's this word? There's something called, um, vocation. Yeah, is it vocational? Where you can, you know, like, yeah, vocation basically, doing things, skills, skill acquisition. So when I caught it and I heard that you could make money from it, I, on my way from, you know, from school on that day, I bought Eve. Do you know Eve? This sachet?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I got 2 pieces, and then when I got home, the first thing I did was to get a bucket. I poured 1 Eve per bucket, so it was so watery, but I didn't care. I got nylon, and then I filled each piece with juice, went to my neighbor, put the stuff in, uh, in their fridge. I sold everything that day. I sold out in the market that day. Wow. So that was when I—

I know that drink, it's gonna be as hard as—

yeah, so hard.

Ice, once it's frozen.

Yes. Yeah, it was at the time, I think it was 10 pieces for ₦5 at the time. So I sold out. I said, eh, so there's money in this thing. I hawked okra for my mom. I, I hawked red pepper— I mean, red oil. I hawked pepper fufu. So many things just to survive.

But psychologically, yes, where did that put you and how did you come out?

I know that at the time I may not know that I was poor, but I know that I suffered low self-esteem. I didn't feel like I was in the same class with anybody So I was always ready for bully in class. I was always ready. It was so bad.

You know, I, I should add this at this point, that you see, to be able to match up with your colleague in life, there is a basic level of self-awareness that you need. Oh yes, um, at least a minimal level, basic level that you need. And that oftentimes doesn't just come from reassurance from parents, it comes from your environment.

Yes.

The quality of things that you see.

Yes.

The quality of people that you relate with.

Yes.

So the, the issue with lack is this: it's not just that your pocket is dry, it is the fact that it puts you in the position where even when something is available and free, you just conclude is not for you.

Oh yes.

So it is, it is a system that can shut you up from daring to do certain things and keep you fighting those who have your guts to do it.

Oh yes.

Wow.

And leave you wondering why you didn't do it.

Yes.

So you can look at certain jobs and while you have the requirement, just conclude it's not for kind.

So I want to say something to that effect because I remember that when I was in the university, I started to make money. That's a long story up to that, but I started to make money from my skill. So I remember getting paid, going for an interview, and I was told that, okay, it's a writing job. I would be writing, delivering about 10 articles per day, and I was to be paid ₦1 per word. It was a lot of money for me at the time.

₦1 per word.

It's not like many years ago, just 2016 here.

₦1 per word is going to be a lot of work.

It was a lot of money for me at the time, you know, because there was a time—

and let me tell you why I'm saying this— that I, I, I— there was a time my condition was so bad, I was writing research for people, their project in school. So I understand when you say ₦1 per word.

Oh yes.

That's your— you're going to be writing a lot more. Like, an average BSc research was going to bring in you ₦35,000.

Less than that.

Wow. It was a lot of money to you?

To me at the time. Wow. And I would— it's not like there were no opportunities at the time that I could apply for, but they came with bigger money, and I didn't think I deserved them. Now that I look back, that I could apply for and get them easily because I had the skill, I had what it took, what it takes, but I could not apply for them because I didn't feel like I deserved to get these jobs.

Do you know this culture where important people send you a message? The fact that you feel, who am I to chat with this guy?

Yeah.

And you just bolt out of the conversation, it looks rude. On surface, but internally self-defeat.

Have you experienced that? 100%. It has happened to me. I don't want to mention their name, but there is one on top of my head now. I could not even continue the conversation because I was like, at the end of the day, they are not going to pick me. Wow. They are not going to work with me. So I just let it go. I have the evidence on my phone.

How did you cope coming to an environment like the university where, you know, you had people of all classes come around.

Sometimes it's not that we have people of all classes in our general public universities. If you look at the quality of hostels, if you come to— I don't want to mention names now. There are schools you go to—

the greatest—

I don't want to mention. I didn't mention. You on your own on this thing because Those who wash the toilet, when they wake up in the morning to wash the toilet, they begin with curses. All you lot who have used this place, it shall not be this, it shall not be that. All of you who came to this compound to study, you are not going to come out with this, you are not going to come out. And they start raining curses. Guess what? Both male and female hostels.

Oh yes.

Wow.

You see, We've been able to brand many things for what they are because that's the best we can afford. Oh yes, it is the sight of that, the hearing of those things, the fact that when you wake up in your hostel, an average person by your bunk is about to use a kind of cooker that they connect the wire. Oh my God, if there's A high, this is Z high or something. In a way that if you try to touch that pot of beans without telling the owner, go to get an electrician.

Yes.

The fact that you come out of those place and look at all those things, because when we go to places, we bring our own environment there. And you look at all those things Even when you believe that you're here to study, you see, you can put so much energy in studying what you're studying, in studying your work, and when it comes to reaching out for higher heights in life, you just can't find the same level of energy.

Yes, yes.

Because of the way your mind has been fried and positioned.

Yes.

The system abuses you. It destroys your reasoning. True. It kills your esteem, and you can't even find yourself anymore. And these are issues.

I really think that a lot of people do not even know that they suffer from this. They just feel like, um, I don't want too much out of life. I'm okay, I'm content. Maybe we call it contentment, because I'm thinking back and I'm looking at things.

Well, before, how do you know you're doing bad?

I'm looking at a lot of things that I could have done. Sorry, this might look funny, but I mean, there was someone I was going to date that I was going to ask out, but I just felt like, nah, not my class, man. And looking back and now I'm thinking, I'm saying there's absolutely nothing that should have stopped me from—

of course, that's a funny example, but the only reason I say something quite harsh, yes. Low self-esteem can give you a spouse you celebrate today and regret tomorrow.

Yes. Wow. Yes, sir.

Low self-esteem can put you in the place where you, you marry the low-budget version of your desire.

Oh yes.

Low self-esteem can put you in the place where you marry somebody because they look like who you should have married. Low self-esteem can put you in a place where you marry somebody knowing that things are not going to be well because you have to leave home.

Wow.

Low self-esteem can put you in a place where you marry somebody because at least your children will look fine, even when you know that they will be— they will have— wow, we call it everything else but low self-esteem because an average person have not been able to diagnose it properly.

Oh yes, wow.

You see, we must understand that this is one of things I'm trying to pass across. There's a concept called the concept of fatality. It's a concept of what will be will be, that, yeah, God is the one who determines everything ultimately. Yes, it's a very dangerous concept. And sometimes we share a bit of that perspective when we believe that whatever becomes my life of blah blah blah, it was God's design. I can tell you for a fact that you can know deep in your heart that it was not God's design. You've got what you want, got where life has positioned you. But this is the advice: if you have done that, you just have to stay with your choice. But you can know it for the rest of your life that I could have pursued this dream, I could have gotten better at this, I could have knocked this door, I could have built this relationship, I could have followed after this, I could have— but because I felt it's not for my kind. And I must tell you this, there are platforms I find myself that are global platforms. Yes, I paid to be there. But the most important benefit I get from there is the quality of people I'm in the room with, because the quality of people, the quality of conversation, and the quality of conversation determines the quality of your transformation. So sometimes while we don't want to call it what it is, because this is a likely religious, yeah, environment and also cultural environment, um, particularly we Africans, um, you you can just know that, um, oh no, this is not what God designed for me in terms of pursuit, accomplishment, and all that. This is what my mindset would carry at the time the decision was made. True. Voilà.

True, sir. I, I, I find also that, um, poverty has to do with a lot of emotions and sensationalism. In the sentiment. Yes, in the sense that, um, people would feel insulted if they are called poor, even though it's their reality. And you just mentioned that the first stage is even knowing, diagnosing properly the situation. I mean, you have to know that this is what it is. You are in depravity. This is lack. This is not the design as it ought to be. And if someone feels emotional toward the idea of poverty you look around your life, look around your family and say, okay, this is poverty, this is not reality, right? You cannot even begin the journey to freedom. Now someone says that the problem is not the problem, the problem is the solution. And this is where I want the conversation to now go, um, and I'll start with you, sir. You have shared your experience on a number of occasions. I mean, there were times you shared how that you had to sell noodles on the streets just to get by a season, right? Um, someone might be looking and saying, okay, you are not in that season anymore, why speak as though you were never there?

Because the things that needs to bring you out are not going to be sentimental. The things that need to bring you out are things that will have to actually confront you and give you a rude awakening. Um, some books you read, and before you're even done with the first 5 pages You're like, ah, some people you hang out with, your esteem may not carry their sense of self-reassurance and their audacity, but you know that that's exactly what I need. I think whatever pacifies you in that position cannot bring you out. And when people are talking and bringing perspective to what can bring a person out, I think it is important that the perspectives are not emotionalized. And I want to say this also, that the mentality that kept you there can't take you out.

True.

So you need something entirely different. Um, if you are in a situation that you can't even afford to transport yourself from one state to another. Or if you take a flight to go come, that's your net worth gone. And that's talkless of even leaving the country. That's a prison.

Yeah.

The only difference is that the size of that prison is the size of the nation where you find yourself. Yeah, true. It's difficult to accept sometimes. But that's a prison.

Yes.

If you can't do the things that you need to do, you can't go to the place that you need to go because of lack, that's a prison. And I feel it is good when it is properly understood so that now we can face the solution. And I want to say this again. That if you find yourself growing up in places where there's so much depravity and that sometimes those things you don't like to hear are the things that you need to come out.

Wow.

Yes, sir.

Wow.

Sure. I'm just going to say that, um, is it Socrates that says, um, man, know yourself? Because now you know where you're coming from. There are some things that others are doing that you should not even be found doing. Statements like school is a scam, or sleeping every time around the clock, like you don't know where you're coming from. If you're trying to beat a background that you don't want to create for your children, then you need to stand up and fight. You need to see— and thank God, around us there are so many opportunities, so many opportunities to learn. And develop yourself and lead yourself. Because at the end of the day, if you say— if you, if you keep staying there and you're blaming your parents for the kind of life that you lived growing up, know that one day you're going to be a parent to other people and they are going to— you are going to— somebody said you are now going to be somebody's background. So you better get prepared because there are so many of— there is no more excuse.

Maybe I'm just gonna add this, that you would have to stay quite far away from the environment that keeps reminding you of your predicament.

Yes.

While you are fighting on many grounds. Number one, you're fighting for a change of orientation. That the way you have been programmed to see that this is how life works.

Yeah.

Is not the way life works. For instance, you grew up from an environment where where it is either money or nothing, because what is lacking there becomes the ultimate pursuit. Sure, you said you find yourself running organizations and running businesses, and you are not talking about customer satisfaction, it's just about the money. And those who are elite can see right through the smoke screen.

Yeah.

And immediately will reject what you brought to the table. So you want to reposition yourself in an environment where you you know this is a need, but we've got to move beyond the need and first understand that real money is the exchange of value for value. So you want to bring those two to the table and then trade with them and let money now come as a ripple effect. Yeah, of a decision that was well made. So there is the place of change of orientation. This comes through books, this comes through mentorship, this comes through association, this comes through change of environment.

Yeah.

The fact that you've had to go through the cycle of life where these things are not available has killed certain things in you. The capacity to dream in certain regards, the capacity to pursue in certain regards, the capacity to relate to certain kind of people and to see yourself also in certain light, to believe in yourself as one who is able I want to do this. Those things have been killed. Sometimes the harsh words around you— in fact, the chance of pursuing the wrong things is higher depending on the environment that you're growing up, because now you are programmed to study a course in school. Yeah, because this is likely to make you get certain job and solve this problem and all that. And so you, you're fighting now, the fight of esteem. And, um, so you begin to now relate with people, you know, in different regards. Um, I heard someone say that if you have 4 foolish people as friends, you didn't count well. So now you want to put yourself— and putting yourself in the environment where your esteem is being boosted, it's going to be uncomfortable before it starts, because the people who carry the presence to affect your orientation Sometimes you have been wired to perceive them as proud.

Yes, yes.

You have been wired to fight them. The way they say what they say, the way they do what they do, um, it can confront something in you in a way that you just want to shut them down or get out of the platform, block their contact. But those are the people you need.

Yes.

So you have to put yourself in that place where you say, hold on a minute, It's either my future or my emotions.

Oh yes.

And I bet you it's best to pick your future.

True.

You see, another very important thing is that you want to check for the choices you've made because of the environment you found yourself. Which of these choices are changeable? Let me give you, for instance, wow, sometimes the choice of career. There are career choices that you made that you have to check who is the best in this field and what does that person look like. If you get to an office to work, it is important you study who has been here for the— for the longest, for the longest. Let's say 10 years, 20 years. Um, get a number of them, plus or minus, that's your future. If that doesn't look like where you want to go, wow, sometimes you've got to change the path.

Wow.

And sometimes it takes having something to even change career paths. So The odds are quite against you, so you need relationships that can buffer. You need contacts, you need people that can carry you, um, because you've been able to swallow your pride. That is coming from nothing, to be able to build those relationships. Um, so, and I also do like to say this also, that the one whose names can open doors, you can't afford to treat around anyone.

Wow.

So you want to come again with that?

The one whose names can't open doors yet, you can't afford to treat around them anyhow. I've seen people use the brand they are trying to build to throw people online, the names they have not built, to drag people. Oh yes, they will drag people that they will later need help from because there is the bandwagon effect. If you know, there is an adage that a child will also have a mother. She not sustaining injury in the back. If you know that— you don't know where everyone is coming from. There are times you can't do what they are doing. Oh yes, because sometimes their own advantage is your disadvantage. Now you are fighting for your life. Oh yes, and the battle is real. Forget about any sentiment. To break out of the cycle of lack, it's a very tedious thing to do. It's, it's It is almost as though you are fighting for your very existence. Oh yes, because this situation threatens it. So you, you want to make sure you do things differently and, um, value people. Don't just go out to pursue the money. Genuinely value people. Genuinely value knowledge. Genuinely value growth, because everything you need is on the other side of growth.

True.

Yes, sir. True.

Wow, my God. Um, I just want to— I wanted to speak to this. I find that, and you've mentioned it a number of times, one of the effects of poverty in people, um, is that there's a tendency to overcompensate. Um, where there's depravity, whatever you are deprived of the most becomes your utmost pursuit. And then when you get there, you have tendency to, to overcompensate.

Overcompensation is the reason why once a new iPhone comes out, we want to prove by all means we are using it. Overcompensation is the reason why you take the phone and dip in water and pour juice on it just to show it is original.

My God.

Overcompensation is the reason why you use the money you don't have— it is almost the size of your house rent— to buy Azul and do Doremi in the club just to prove that you are somebody. Yes, overcompensation is what makes you get the things that you're not ready for because you have suffered. Meanwhile, you're not even making plans to come out of the poverty. So there is an addict that when a child first gets money, they want to use the money to buy his cake. It is also the reason why if you see an average Yahoo boy on the street, you can tell he's a Yahoo boy. Yeah, yes, because in a bit to show that he has money, there's a kind of jeans, kind of— yes, there's a kind of shirt you will wear, there's a kind of air, there is a kind of car you want, and there is a way you want to do the car just to put toys around and show that, yeah, yeah, Pablo has arrived. That's the concept of our conversation. It's, you see, and I say with humility, and those who know, know, old money doesn't shout. I've seen people buy cars and buy the car and buy speaker Not car speaker. Now they will get an electrician to wire a speaker in the car so that by the time they drive, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Why is that? Oh my God, nothing makes noise like luck.

Nothing makes noise like luck.

But there's another danger. You see, we talk about overcompensation, but when you have dealt with poverty, you also under-negotiate. It's the reason why you have value to offer and you cannot even tell them what you deserve.

Oh yes, sir.

I call it the Jacob syndrome.

Wow.

When you look at 7 years of your life, I feel is—

wow, wow.

So when you under-negotiate, you may even have a program, you have a course, you have a product, and you are going to put it out at a disrespectful rate. You will blur the boundaries, you will undercharge, you overdeliver, you get burned out, you get angry, you get offended because the people— the same people you have lowered the standard for will not respect you. Yes, yes, they are getting far more than You are collecting, which is sometimes may look noble, but there's the fact that you don't have the audacity. Oh yes, to negotiate your worth because you don't feel you deserve it. Oh yes, it's the way many people start their business. It's serious stuff.

I've asked you a number of times, you know, people have asked you also, and myself have asked. I said, why are you bold enough to do the things you do, and your response every time is you didn't even know you were bold. Or you probably— let's put it this way, um, you didn't know you were supposed to be afraid to do them. How did you get— now, you, you were not born like this, definitely. No. Um, how did you build audacity, seeing that you came from a background that was probably not, you know, the most flamboyant? How did you build audacity?

When life pushes you to the Oh, where has Europe— you know, sometimes, and I think I have a very clear mental picture of the future, that in the nearest future your opinion doesn't count. It is my decision that matters.

You want to come again?

In the nearest future, your opinion doesn't count about my life. It's the decisions I've made that count.

Oh, True.

So your opinion is volatile. It's the season of its relevance is brief.

Oh, you're speaking.

So, and it's not like it's relevant now, it's just that it's loud now. So I make decision for the future that will not ask why I made it because of you. Wow. The future is brutal. So is history. And if you study history, that's also where we're going It doesn't matter who is saying what, who feels this or who feels that. Those who shape the future don't pay attention to this here. So I thank God for you, you look good, but you don't matter. And everyone that have opinion about life will also have their own life to deal with. So eventually we're all busy with our— either all busy with our success or busy with our failure. So at the end of the day, when you are done saying what you're saying, You go back to your problems, I go back to mine. So why should he count?

Finally, what is the way out in simple terms? Someone is watching.

In rare cases, people can come out a day at a time, um, once. But I think coming out is a day at a time. A little learning here, little change of orientation here. But I recommend mentorship. I recommend riding on the shoulders of those those who have walked the path you are trying, you have walked, you're walking. Those whose today and whose yesterday is your own today, who have survived it. Because you don't want to use your own life doing trial and error.

Yes.

Those who have perspective. There are times that just a statement said in passive from an experienced mind can rescue you from 10 years of mistake.

Yeah, true.

So you want to be deliberate and don't be emotional about your small circle that has nothing to offer to bring you out. You have to be a deliberate person who is very intentional about the quality of knowledge, the quality of people, the quality of environment that will bring that change in perspective and then ultimately change in direction. And then change in result. Um, while you are at it, you must understand that the most difficult place to rise from is among those that you were small together. The more your orientation change, the more they fight you. The more you become bold, the more they see arrogance. They will not even patronize their kind so that their kind can rise. They are both in lack, they would rather go spend money somewhere else and enriching those who are already rich. So you, you're going to face a lot of disappointment, and even people that you are becoming strong so as to be of help to might be the one whose opinion is trying to trap you. But you must always remember the reason why you started fighting.

Yes.

And, um, if you don't fight till you win, your excuse in the future will make no sense. True. Yeah, sure.

I just want to say thank you for this time.

And speaking with you guys, thank you, thank you.

Glad speaking with you guys, and I'm sure that everyone watching this is so super grateful for the wisdom shared.

Thank you, sir.