Ep. 2 - No higher than Buckingham Palace with Hannah Seligson | Developers:After Dark

Yeah. All right. Should we. Why not? Let's. Let's cue that beautiful theme music. That's one. That'll. That'll. That's. In my head, that's when that happens, Right? And then we get to live, like.

In that episode of Scrubs where everything is musical.

In my head, that's what's happening. Yeah. In my head, that's what's happening right now. The music's going, there's people dancing behind me, and I'm just sitting there like, yeah, go ahead. Really nice. Hello, and welcome to episode two. Now, this is a. This is a milestone episode two of Developers After Dark. Now, the reason it's a milestone is because we. It didn't suck so badly in episode one that we now have the opportunity to continue this, which is every episode.

A milestone at this point. Then, like, we didn't suck enough last time. Here's another milestone.

It's almost like living paycheck to paycheck. Like, we're just waiting to see, like, the next.

That's a good.

That's close to home, my friend. Close to home right there.

It's a beautiful way of looking at it, I guess, right? You're just. You're living dangerously, and you're living on the edge, so. We are, and we have made it to episode two. Before we get into introductions, let me do a little bit, just a tiny bit of housekeeping where we'll do a little corrections, and then Dennis and AJ can admonish me and just found out. And we just found out that AJ also made a mistake as well. So it'll be 2 for me, 1 for him, so it won't feel nearly.

And 0 for D over here. Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, I didn't. I. I figured you guys failed so badly at the questions at the end of the last episode. I didn't really want to put that much more added pressure at the beginning of this one.

It's.

I lost. That has beat me by, like, a quarter of a point.

When you score 50%, I don't exactly call that winning, but. But. Well, if you're comparing both of your scores, yes, Dennis did win. But in last episode, I had mentioned we were talking about a Sherlock episode, and as a fan, I'm very embarrassed and admonished me for this, but I kept referring to the episode with the. The guy with the glasses where it looked like he was wearing the metal glasses as the. The Reinbach. I can't remember what I called it, but I kept calling the Reinbach theory. But it was actually the episode's called the Reinbach Fall, and it's not actually the right episode either. So I was wrong on all accounts. The Reinbach Fall is the end of season two. The episode we were talking about was called His Last Vow, and that's the end of season three.

So, so many people on Reddit right now that are final. Okay. They were so upset by Sherlock fans.

Like, I just got an email.

Benedict Cumberbatch is no longer going to appear.

So I've lost that sponsorship, which is. I'm.

I'm a little.

I'm. I. I don't want to tear up on this episode. I promised I wouldn't, but, you know, I'm a fan, and I'm embarrassed. Embarrassed that I didn't know. And then the other thing we mentioned, too, was I had these really, really great, funny jokes at the end, questions that were jokes at the end, that one of them was about cats and hies that Dennis decided to ruin by asking about geographical regions, completely destroying my comedy workshop. But I had mentioned, I believe it was east of the Mason Dixon Line, which would put you in the Atlantic Ocean, when, quite frankly, the Mason Dixon Line runs east and west. So you'd either be on the north or the south. So I failed the geography quiz last week on that one. So that one just want to get that out of the way, too, because anyone who even listens or knows what that was was probably like, that puts you in the Atlantic Ocean. And then A.J. more importantly, A.J. made a mistake mentioning that Kalamazoo was in Wisconsin when it was actually, in fact, in Michigan.

Wisconsin, Yeah, I was saying Wisconsin. I totally did. Not even.

I didn't catch it, but I kind.

Of know if that's acceptable. Aren't you, like, miles away from Kalamazoo?

I mean, like, definitely. Yeah. Like, Wisconsin's above me. Michigan's more that way. At least the way I'm looking at.

A map, I could be doing.

Clearly or not, you're not looking at a map is the problem.

So he's so obsessed with the musician, beating him and the search results as a. As a tech person, where he should actually be doing better.

No, it's not even a person. It's the. It's the technology that, like, because. Because of the way search engines work and, like, the large sizes of things and you remember, want to get really well on serves. You should be putting your music out on Spotify, on app, music on all that, because that is a profile page. That is SEO, that is everything. And those sites are traffic way more than My personal site, I can guarantee you that. So that is why like I.

You know what? This doesn't bother him at all. This doesn't really bother him at all. He's not really right at all. But, but yeah, with that, with, with all that said, I'm your host, Nick laporte and this would not be possible without my co hosts who I will let them introduce themselves.

No, I'm Dennis. Hi, I'm Dennis Hudson, developer advocate at HubSpot.

I'm AJ also developer advocate at HubSpot.

That really, really well. Nick, I think this. We're really greasy machine here.

Now I'm crying for a different reason. But without further ado, let us get to our guest because she is amazing and a friend of the show, whether she knows it or not. I want to introduce you to Hannah. Hannah, tell everyone who you are and what you do.

Oh, okay. I'm Hannah. I'm also a developer advocate and I get to work with all of these folks and yeah, I guess. No, but like, yeah, and I focus more on like the CRM and API. So usually I'm just helping folks with anything that's related to like our API functionality or anything like that.

So yeah, that's, that's an understatement. I, I also rely on this person on a day to day basis to make sure I'm alive to put on the rvus. Hannah supports me so much and the. On this here on the API side of things. So there, there's mine.

And also you can't create Postman. Like the work you've done with Postman is just through the roof and has honestly changed a lot.

Yeah, yeah, there's, yeah. So for context like I, I do, I do try to maintain HubSpot's personal workspace and yeah, it's, it's a, it's a beast because of how many APIs we have. We have like 80 plus and it's more and I need to make some updates. I'm behind on that a little bit. But yeah, there's just a lot going on. But it's exciting because at least for 2025, like I'm planning on getting more of our community involved. So I want to start creating more use case specific collections that I think will be a lot of fun for people to contribute, to get credit and yeah, like creating an onboarding collection for new developers, things like that.

And yeah, now you mentioned Postman. Did you like you represented HubSpot at the conf. At the conference, right? Can you talk a little bit about that? Because that's. Yeah, Dennis said there's understatements here. Like, there's. That's.

Yeah, yeah. So like we were invited to attend PostCon, which is Postman's, like their. Their big conference. And this was like the first one that they had since COVID So it was the first like in person, I think, or at least in person years. And HubSpot got recognized as kind of like a new up and coming service, like on Postman's network. So just because we were getting so much usage for like our CRM specific API usage. And so, yeah, so we got like a huge shout out for that. We got a fancy award and now it's like, you know, I think right now so far we've just established like a central place for folks to reference any sort of API spec and be able to test them out and use them. Now it's just a matter of like, how can we enhance that? How can we scale that? So that's what's next. And I'm excited to figure that out.

Did you have to do like an Academy Award thing where you have.

There is a real statue? Yeah.

Keep it like a moon man with a flag, right?

Yeah. Like the NTV Awards. It felt like that. Yeah. Like a bunch of us because there are folks from like, like Zoom, their MasterCard, Salesforce, like all the. All the folks. And like we were all up there with like our little statues with like Postman CEO and we're like.

Did they.

Did you get to give a speech or like a little like.

No, no, unfortunately, no. Like we were hoping maybe we could all say something, but no, unfortunately.

Here's your chance.

Here's your chance. Speech now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, gosh.

This is.

This is how cool Hannah is.

Nick. Nick. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure if you were you there for Puree. I don't even remember these.

Not this year. No, I wasn't able to.

Well, there was people following Hannah around, like with cameras as like, you know, she's like this famous per.

Was it peer week paparazzi? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. They. They came. It was funny because they had reached out to us and we're like, hey, we want to do like a use case study.

And.

And they had mentioned like coming to our office and like filming our team and it was like, like all of us, like the advocates, like we're spread every out around the us. So I was like, oh, no. Like, how are we going to do this? And then talking to our manager, Chris, he was like, what about Peer Week. And I'm like, ooh, well, for. For those, like, for those of you who, like, like, what the heck is peer Week? Peer week is like, a way for hubspotters, like, certain groups, certain departments, to get together and, like, hang out with everybody. And, like, it's more of a social thing. But we used it and had the postman team come and, like, film us, and it was. It was very awkward, but it was fun. Like, yeah, they were just like, movie star.

I. I think I'm gonna do that now every time I go to Boston for anything HubSpot. I'm really just gonna hire people and just be like, don't tell them what. Just follow me around as if, like that. That right there. That's. That's. That's a talking point. Boy.

It's just.

I would respect that if you wore a cloak of some sort, you know, some sort of.

Yeah. Some sort of, like, outfit costume.

I had a fedora and a cloak. Kind of like. Yeah, it looks so mysterious where you're.

You're. You're chain mail. Koif that you have that.

I still have that. I still have. They. Yeah, I broke that out once because they. I can't remember somebody in product. We were doing some sort of, like, take a group picture together thing, and then they're like, well, wear a hat. And I was like, I don't. I don't have any hats. Like, obviously I can't. And I'm like, all right. The only thing I've got is like, So I literally just put on a chain mail headset and just was like, this is what I got. And it just was sitting around for years. I was going to get rid of it, but I was like, wow, this worked out really well.

Is this when you were a waiter at whatever nights?

Like, yeah, that was like. That was my college job. Other colleges with medieval times.

Wait, was it really? Did you actually.

No, that would be great. In between serving chicken legs. That was jousting. That was, like, my big. On the resume.

I would hate to see you joust. That would be. And I would bet on the other person.

No offenses are.

Horse riding ability and jousting ability are not up to par with medieval timestampers.

I'm not a plain person, but horses, I can do. Horses are. They're ground. I can do that. That's fine. Yeah.

I will also pay for this.

Nice.

Now, Andy, you mentioned that they didn't. They didn't give you the opportunity to give you a speech at Postman, but you're not Unfamiliar with speech giving. Right. You actually spoke last year at Inbound.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dennis and I both did. Yeah.

See, I brought. I was. I've got love for Dennis. I. I see more, but I've got.

There's love there.

Now on what stage was that on? Because if people who haven't been to Inbound, there's different types of stages that you can speak at. There's like the smaller ones are what the deep dives and then you have like bigger like hero stage ones. Which ones? Which stage did you both talk at?

We were on the hero stage. So we were kind of like out on the floor, out on the open where like people could just come. Like it was just. Yeah, it was very open.

Felt so naked.

Yeah.

I remember because I would. I remember seeing John's because I was working the booth right across. There was people standing like outside of the bleacher area. It was.

It was amazing. Yeah, like John and Laurie, because they're on the same stage. They had perfect timing because I think that they were right before like the opening like intro, like welcome to Inbound session. And then people just kind of flooded into their, Their, their stage area and yeah, like they had a massive crowd and I was so nervous for them, but like they kicked butt. Like it was pretty cool.

Now that was. Was that the first time you had ever spoken in a large group like that or have you done that previously?

No, I've done it some. Some like previously. But it's just. It never gets more. It never gets less nerve wracking in some ways. So. Yeah, like I think with advocacy there's just kind of this like. Well, I don't know if it's a like a rule but like you just. There's a lot of opportunities to do like talks and like public speaking and things like that. And I've always been more introverted. Like I'm. I like to like write blogs. I like to kind of be behind the scenes in some ways. But it is good because it teaches you to be more confident and share your knowledge. So. So. Yeah, so.

But yeah, I. I do have a secret to. To. To talk. I don't much is it but what I tend to do is I set the bar so low for myself and it's an app. Like I. I sound like it.

Did you maintain that low bar, Nick?

I do.

I sound like an idiot and I act like an idiot most of the time to set a low bar when in reality like, you know, much lower issue. Smart. Like I'm just. Yeah, so it's It's a little trick I do so that's. They think I'm just a big dumb animal, but like I actually, I might know a thing or two. So that way when I speak I can make a bunch of mistakes and then be admonished later and then it all works out very, very well.

We tell you everything that you've done wrong, so it's okay.

That's it. It's a perfect. It's like it's a circle of life. I'm. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh boy, oh boy.

Usually I. I say usually we've only done this one other time except for now. But what we want to try to do is traditionally, we'll call it traditionally but as only one at a time. But we. Everybody comes from like a very like some of the stories and the journeys to get where we are today. Like, I know mine and Dennis's are a bit unique and AJ's as well, but none so more than I think mine and Dennis's, which is like where we started and how we got to where we are. If you don't mind, like, can you talk a little bit about like your journey to joining Devrel, like in your experiences and how you got to where you are?

Yeah, I guess so. I originally went to school for journalism and it's so funny how like you go to school and you're like, yeah, yay. And then you never use that like degree. Anyways, one of those. But I. What I ended up doing was in 2000. What year is it? 2015 or 16. I did a coding bootcamp and I felt like this was when coding boot camps first started and mine was an in person one and it was two cohorts. One focused on Java, one focused on C Net and so I went with C and I did this program curiosity.

I'm sorry to interrupt you the boot.

Camp because before that I was working as a project manager and so I was doing like some front end work but it was hard to like because I would work, I'd be more customer facing and managing these projects and kind of being that liaison between like customers and then like a design team. And we. There were like small things that customers would request and be like, oh, I can figure this out. I'll try to build this or, or make this revision and something to like their. The front end of like their website. And then I was like, huh? And like I just got really into it because I like problem solving and I had some friends who were developers who were kind of like, yeah, like, check it out. Like you know, look into like some of these classes. And then that's when I came across the bootcamp and I was like, oh, okay, maybe this might be the route. Because before that I was kind of like a little lost, like just like doing sales, doing like advertising, things like that. And it just was not for me. And so, yes, that's how I got into the bootcamp. And that was rigorous. Like, that was like four to five months of just like nonstop coding. And from there I was able to get like my first engineer role and it was kind of just like full stack development. Worked for a home insurance company. And then from there I went to business insurance, like commercial business insurance. And I was more. That's when I got focused more on like backend development, building APIs. And what was interesting was that second job as an engineer. We worked like, we first of all, like, we had like these really big legacy systems and we needed to break them down into microservices. And so we were going to use, we needed to start building APIs just so that we could essentially re architect our systems just because the way it was going, it was just not sustainable. I was on a specific API team, we were brand new. We essentially had to learn how to build and design APIs and then we had to share that knowledge with all the different development teams so that they could learn.

And so that's where the API love was born right there.

Yeah, it seriously was. Yeah, like, because what was nice was like we would build these like courses, like there was me and like a couple other teammates, we built these actual like API courses and we would focus on like a technical one with developers. And then we had like more of a high level one that would be catered to like kind of like our business analysts who would be the ones who would come up with requirements for tasks for us. So we had to teach them how to translate like high level requests, like feature ideas and how they would translate that into a technical request for developers. So we had like these two different courses and I think that's where I was like, oh, like. Because I've always loved writing and I've always loved like helping people. So I guess that's where devrel comes into play where it's like, oh, like I can use like my writing skills and like my, my passion to help people in devreau. And at the time, like I've been there for a while and then I was like, I enjoyed engineering, but in mainly like I was not that great. And so I was like, well, and I was Like, I wonder, like, what other job opportunities are out there. And then that's when I discovered, like, developer. Like, I think at the time, like, we were called, like, evangelists or. Because that's kind of like what we were when I was on the API team, like, API evangelists. And then that's just how I got into advocacy. And I started with a. I started working for a company that had, like, a CICD platform, which is like a system you use for, like, deploying containered applications. And so I just totally got, like, I guess, what's the word I'm thinking of, like, kind of. It was like drinking from a fire hose. Like, introduced, like, this new world of advocacy where it was like, okay, I'm creating content. Like, I'm managing communities, I'm, like, doing talks. I'm all these things, like, all new to me. But it was a great experience. And I guess that's kind of how I got to HubSpot.

So. Yeah. Was the boot camp the. Your first kind of endeavor into coding or had you had done it previously and, like, kind of. Because everybody kind of. Yeah, I feel everybody does it differently, right? They, they. Everybody. It's either like a. A hobby you pick up or you're just kind of. Mine was from necessity because I was like, at the very, very beginning, I designed, like, did web design. And just out of necessity, it was like, well, we need to put this into practice. Like, do you know this? No. Okay. Start to learn this.

Yeah.

How did you, like, first fall into, like, the coding aspect of it?

I guess it was more like a little bit of necessity and also just curiosity. So, like, with. When I was a project manager, it would be more of, like, that necessity where there'd be a change. I'd be like, I wonder if this is something I could do. And, you know, just go from there. And then I was like, oh, I wonder how would I build just, like, a landing page? Like, what would that look like? And kind of just doing, like, small individual projects by myself. And back then I felt like it was. I had a really hard time, like, connecting with people. Like, I don't think Slack was really a big thing, like, in the, you know, 2000, I don't know, 2015. Like, it wasn't like, I don't even know if they existed. Yeah. So it was like, it was really hard to find a community and, like, like, ask people questions or, like, know how to grow. So I think that's what ultimately pushed me towards the boot camp, where I was like, I want to be with People who I can, like, learn from and, like, ask questions, because. Yeah, I was just finding things online where it was like, you know, just online courses or just friends. Yeah. And just trying to, like, figure it out.

How else were you at that monolithic. Changing it into the micro services at the. Was the business.

The insurance company?

Yeah.

How.

How successful were you at, like, bring that legacy monolith system into, you know, microservices?

We were pretty successful. And then, you know, it was funny because, like, once. Once teams were building, like, started building these services, it was next to, like, okay, like, how do we start utilizing the cloud? Because we had, like, huge servers, like, physical servers, and, like, places in Texas on premises.

Okay.

Yeah, I know. Yeah. But because I'm in Cleveland, Ohio, so, like, we would have just, like, these huge, like, server farms or that type of thing, and that's what we were leveraging. And so it. Yeah. And so I kind of, like, was kind of bummed because I left as they were, like, going the cloud route, and that was also, like, the community and the work that I was all of a sudden, like, in and engrossed in. And so I was like, shucks, like, I wish I could, like, work both at the same time and share knowledge.

And all of that, but I have one last question, and this is more of. I feel left out because everyone here has worked in real estate in some capacity, like, AJ and Nick are realtors.

And I'm just, by proxy, happen to be exposed to it. That's awesome.

I'm a man of many talents, so what can I say?

That's it.

I had nothing more to say. I feel left out. I'm not really sure why I'm here anymore.

You said there was a question.

That's why. I was like, maybe I said that.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, you did. That's right. That's right. We're gonna throw the whole rhythm of everything.

That's right. You're welcome.

That's why I'm here. I'll bring it all back on track. So as much as we like to talk about tech and we like to talk about the ones and zeros, a part of this, for me, as, like, a dream of doing this type of thing was, is also to get to know the individual and, like, some of the things that kind of drive them. Right. It doesn't necessarily have to be tech, but. And. And if you don't want to talk about it, this is fine. But I. I believe aj, you're the one that mentioned that you also have a flower business. Correct that. Tell us a little bit about that. Because like, and the reason I ask is not, not, not to be like prior to your personal business, but one of the questions we asked of the three of us last episode was like, if there was something you could do. And again, under the premise that nothing is ever going to be non techy, like there's going to be some sort of tech aspect and everything, whether it's coffee shop or. I believe AJ said he wanted to be a musician in Kalamazoo. Yeah, like there, there, there's. There's always something that's less techy that like if you could do that to take you away from it. And I kind of feel like when AJ was telling me about this, I was like, well, that, that kind of fits into that thing. So tell us a little bit about the business.

Yeah, so I have, so I guess I have like a side business. It's called Grace Rose Flowers. And it's. I've always been a gardener. Like, I've always, like, I don't know, I think something. I've also had like a hard time in the past. Not, not anymore, but like it's kind of balancing like your outside interests and then your like technical like work day job and like making, making space for both of those. And so I've always been a gardener. I started off like growing mostly veggies and then, I don't know, I just like got introduced to flowers from. There's a, a famous flower farm in Washington called Florette. And they, you know, I, I knew like flower farming was a thing, but not really. And then I discovered this farm because they had like a show and then they, they had, they were selling seeds and I was like, oh, this is so cool. And I was like, okay. So like flower farming is a real thing. Like people are literally focusing on just flowers and it makes sense from like a profit margin perspective. But also it was just, it's beautiful. And so when I started growing, I was like doing kind of both. But then this is the first season where I was like, just flowers. And it's taught me a lot. Like, I think what's humbling about having something like gardening to do is that like you're always learning. And I think that also ties into like my technical mindset as well. Like, I like learning new things, I like fixing things, I like learning from mistakes. And so I was able to kind of apply like my day to day mindset to that where I'm like, okay, like this, I got this disease. Like I need to. This Plant is this disease I need to figure out, like, what's the best way to. To treat this or can I treat this? What does that look like? But yeah, like, I just have a real passion for growing flowers because ultimately, like, I really like sharing them with people. And this is the first season where I started selling them and like making bouquets and going to a market and all of that and like setting up my website where people could learn about, like, what, you know, I sell. I set up like a porch stand, like instead of a farm stand, instead of a porch stand, so people could come and like, pick up bouquets from my porch, my front porch. And it was like a self serve setup. And so, yeah, it's just like, it's. It's really exciting when, like, people are like, hey, like, like, I. I got these from my grandma and she absolutely loved them. And you know, that, like, makes me feel really good and it just like, it's really nice to like, share that with other people. So.

No, that's fantastic. What is your favorite? You said you started like half and half at first with veggies. Favorite veggie to grow my favorite veggie.

I guess I grow a lot of like tomatoes and peppers, so probably that. Yeah. But there are other things I want to grow. Like, I know Dennis was growing pumpkins, and so I want to check out like, growing like melons and pumpkins next year.

You got to have a lot of land for that, right, Dennis? Or I have a fair amount of space. Indeed.

You can grow them vertically, though.

Oh, there like a. That's pretty sturdy trellis, right?

Yeah, no, well, the. And the. I mean, this. The actual vine's pretty darn sturdy. Like, I have a pumpkin still hanging out there. It's probably, you know, ten pounds, something like that, that it's easily hanging.

So. So when the pumpkin falls, are you going to play 1979 or.

Is that the music you played again to grow is just Smashing Pumpkins?

I love that we're all old enough to know what AJ was talking about.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyone under 20 is going to be like, if they even listen to this. Like, I don't get it. Yeah.

What are these old people talking?

There's something to be said about good music and being old enough to know with it actually is. But. But no, don't they, like. Because you were saying, like, with the growing of the flowers, like, just. I can't remember if it's. Oh, God. I was just. Because I was just. I bring this up because I was just watching Spider Man Far from home with my son. And I remember there's a scene, and I can't remember if it's in Norway or if it's. But there's a scene where they land to pick him up. Happy does. And. But it's like. It's just rows of, like, different colored flowers, but it's just like some. It's like a flower field, but it's like one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in entire life. So that even on. Regardless of the scale, it's got to be just something just to be in awe of, you know?

Yeah. Like, those exist. Like. Like they're. They were like. Like probably I'm thinking of tulips. And there are tulip farms on like a commercial level where it's like that. Where literally it's like acres and acres of just tulips, just flowers. And a lot of them, they're. They're kind of all over. Like, I know there's a famous one in Washington. A lot of them are in, like, Holland and, like, Norway, and they're just stunning. And. Yeah, like, next year we're planning to buy property so that we can scale. Because that was. Yeah, like, that was a challenge for us where we were like, we. We just didn't have enough room to, like, keep growing inventory. And so we were. I was getting requests for, like, you know, events, like doing floral arrangements and to, like, you know, sign up at a. A weekly market. Oh, geez. Sorry.

This is the hard part. Like, I. I want. I want Hannah to be successful. This. With this dream of hers. At the same time, I. I want you to fail because I don't want.

You to leave us ever leaving HubSpot anytime soon. But, you know, great.

I'll tell you right now, if I become famous, I. You know, it's been nice knowing everybody. I told them last episode, I was like, if, you know, if I. If I need to do, like, you know, one on one interviews with, like, really big names, I'll. I'll remember both of them very fondly. You gotta do what you got. Yeah. When that Justin Timberlake kind of moment calls you, you gotta. You gotta answer the door and can't just be like, who's there?

Talking about moments. Just make sure you don't ruin the tour. I mean, you know, you don't want to.

Oh, wow. Yeah.

I mean, so far, I guess Norway. So geographically, I'm on point on this episode so far. So, like, the admonishment list will be, like, smaller this time. We still got time. We Got time, but I'm hoping smaller, especially when we start getting into. And this is a really good segue. I was supposed to try to bring up a funny way of mentioning botanophobia, which is a fear of plants, but I didn't get to do that. So I just wanted to say it out loud because I. I wrote it down in a note and I. I literally have. Huh.

That's real.

I have Joe notes and I just have a little comment on the side that says botanophobia with no context. So I wonder.

I wonder if that's extend to like, allergies or something.

That's a good question. Yeah. I don't know. Like, what would like, the root. Like, any type of root. Cause of that would be interesting.

Like all. I mean, that's just like you walk with a desert and you see like a cactus. Like, are you suddenly, like, afraid and running away?

You can't have grass. Your whole yard needs to be concrete, I would imagine at that point. So it's like. I don't know. That's. Yeah, but I. I would appreciate that.

Because then you don't have to do all, like, the landscaping.

Is there a word for a person who's afraid of a person who has a.

That's.

I would want to avoid that person.

Could you imagine, like, I imagine trees just like nature in general, they'd be scared of.

Right. Yeah, it's. Yeah, I. I just. I made that note and I was like, find a funny way to get this. I didn't. I failed. He failed.

You failed.

That is a failing part. But this brings up a next segment of ours where I can probably fail multiple times because. And we can't. It. I want, like. Of course, like, this week in tech is already taken by somebody else, so it's not like we can call it that, but we kind of wanted to kind of carve out like a little part of the episodes where we can kind of talk about some of the emerging tech, some of the new stories from a technology perspective. And, you know, not. Not too many ones and zeros in it, but just kind of, I don't know, rapid fire. Just talk about, like, certain things within reason. Because there were some interesting stories that AJ had put in there too, where it was like, typical. Yeah, we didn't. I. It'd be great to talk about him, but it was just like, yeah, well.

He wants to talk about this. AJ laporte character musician, like, all. Like, just constantly.

That's all. And every note. That's what he's got. Don't Forget about Kalamazoo. But no, I figured we could. We could throw around a couple of rapid fire ones where like the first one that I, I know we had on our list here was the. It was from Yahoo. Finance, but it was about Redbox and the. Because we're talking about plants, we're talking about making things beautiful and whatnot. But, uh, at the end of the day, Redbox is going to be leaving behind something around what, 20,000 of their Redbox machines just all over the United States, really.

So just Redbox for everyone who is younger than 20 is like a DVD service.

Right.

So I don't even know how they operate. Like people come out and restock those.

Yeah.

Local area people that. It never basically was what video stores?

Like, video Grocery store. Remember the grocery store? You had like a little spot in there.

Yeah, yeah. Some of these stores can't remove them. Because I think when I was reading the article, like some of the Walgreens have it literally wired into their electricity in the store. To the store.

That's brilliant. Well done, Redboy.

That's like.

Are their systems.

That's wild.

Yeah, this, this saddens me because like one of my first jobs in high school was at a video store for like the longest time. So at the end of the day, this is like watching an era end, right. When it went from like the Blockbuster or Hollywood video into the Red Box era. And it was like, it was really crazy just to like kind of watch these things die out as Netflix became a thing. But with stuff like this, I mean, from what I was reading, I think it was in a different article. These are not. It's not like you could. Because like, like, for example, right. Like the, like older, even older technology, like you can go. Best example I can give is I went and I picked up a. Like one of those. I think it's a valet cougar dartboards. Right. That you would see at a bar and things like that. Like, that was a piece of technology that while you could still find dart boards like that kind of one that big, that bulky, that kind of usability.

What are you. What are you talking about?

No, no, but what I'm saying is like leaving behind technology like in the.

In the bars where there's like the dartboards, but they were like giant console.

They were giant, right. As opposed to a little thing like you could go like if you found someone that had that and they weren't using anymore, you could go pick that up. These Red Box machines are like £900. So even if it Was like, they're massive. So even if they were. So even if every Walgreens didn't have them connected to their power, it's not like they could go and say, like, yeah, just somebody give me 50 bucks and come pick it up. Like, it's not. You need, like, a team or a machinery to get this thing.

What, why. What's in it?

There are DVDs. It's.

I mean, if you have a DVD player, but. Yeah. Yeah.

That's another. Yeah. I feel like I have a solution.

Please.

You ready?

So it's not going to work everywhere naturally, like, out here. It's not going to work at the local Walgreens. I don't think we have that many. But places like Nashville or where, like, music centers are, why not re. Like, refurbish them as, like, look at local area music artists and grab some CDs. Grab some, like.

Yeah.

Use it in other terms of. Because it really. When you strip it all away, it's a vending machine.

Yeah.

Yeah. But is it connected? Like, how. How does it display the. The contents of it? Is that, like, wired?

So it's like the picture of the movie.

Yeah. Kind of thing.

And then you just kind of press like, oh, I want like, the Barbie movie. Or I want, you know, Paw Patrol. Because.

No, no.

My, My.

My question, AJ is like, are those. Is that. Is there like a raspberry PI in that machine that houses all that information? Or is that like, coming from some server somewhere else?

I've never used lock. I don't even know that's like. Because when I would see them, I'd be like, wow, I wonder if people. And every once in a while I'd see like, one or two people, like, at the machine either, like. And I. Yeah, I was always curious, like, at a certain point, like, how. Why and how do people still use that when like, on Demand or Netflix or anything else? It's like, yeah, I was still surprised that people actually still use them, but at a certain point, some people still did. So. But yeah, I don't know what you do with like, even. Even other, like, vending machine type things like CDs or, you know, any type of, like, you know, shirts or something like, of that caliber where it's like. It's almost like, like pop at a vending machine where you just need a picture and then. But yeah, I don't know how, like, the technical aspect works in that because you'd have to figure some way to, like, you're renting it. When are you returning it type of, you know, I mean, like, because at a video store, you'd Obviously, you'd have the computer, you know, like the. The old. Old computers there, you know, checking people in and out. Where does that. How does that checkout actually work? Yeah, that's a. That's a really good question. I mean, that's how. I guess unused they've been over the last. Like, no one really even knows how they work. So. Yeah.

How do you get, like, movies that aren't streaming now? What. How's that work? Like, any older movie, like, has. Is that. Are we just losing movies at this point? Yeah, I know Criterion does a thing. You know, they refurbish older films, but, like.

Yeah, no, that's about, like, all the.

Home videos that, like, we all have. Like, I know, Like, I know our parents that we bought one year like this. You basically plugged it into, like, the old camcorder and it brought it and.

It made it to a cd or like, the projectors they would have.

Like, how do you take. Like, there are. There are conversion things that you can buy that will convert them digitally, but it's like, you lose some quality or you lose, like, things like that. But, like, I mean, nothing beats like, a VHS tape was awesome back in the day. I mean, I still think they're pretty cool now, unfortunately, you leave it in a car and it's over with. But, you know. Right. Like, I was a big fan of.

Like, VHS and stuff like that. It almost had that, like, music CD type of, like, we were talking about last time with the artwork and stuff like that, where it almost had that same type of. People, like, bought it not just for the movie, but for the, like, the COVID and everything like that, too. So that's another digital design lost kind of artwork type of job, if you will. That kind of just went the way. Yeah, that's. That's. It's unfortunate. Like, some of that stuff, I mean, they become collector's items at a certain point, but still, like, I think they are, like.

I think, like, old Disney VHS tapes are collector items. Blows my mind. And I'm like, well, I know my parents definitely still have, like, our stack of, like, Disney vhs, like, somewhere sitting somewhere. So. Yeah, it's just wild. That stuff's, like, vintage.

Why don't we jump to. This is one. I like this one because this is funny, but I think. A.J. i think you put this one in here, but it was the. I don't remember what particular brand, and I don't even know if it's Even worth mentioning the brand. But the. The hatch robot vacuums across the United States that start yelling for you. The one that talked about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To me, this. This is it. It's. It's unfortunate, right? But, like, I find that you could really use this in a way where you could. I would want a vacuum that yelled at me. Not. Obviously not. Not the slurs.

Racist slurs.

But it could shame me into telling me how dirty my floors were. And then I needed to clean my house. And I would kind of feel bad because I'm just like, this robot. He gets it.

It's nasty.

Like, you know, so you want a.

Nagging robot vacuum cleaner, Polish around it admonishes you for all your failures.

You need motivation. You need some sort of motivation, right? I mean, I could see this. Imagine this application across other things. Toothbrushes, man, your teeth are dirty as you're just like, yeah, I'll do it for another minute. Right? Like, I can see the application of this, like, across multiple things. I think it would be. It's almost like having a motivation when.

You talk about negative reinforcement and how that's not a good thing.

Yes.

Hey, buddy.

Hey. Hey, we're here for you, man.

It would be like having a motivation next to you the whole time. It would be good. I think it would be good.

But see, whereas my thought is, like, looking at this, I'm like, oh, my God, we're one step closer to DJ Roomba from Parks and Rec. Or, like, an ipod plugged in where you can just start blasting me through.

That is awesome. See that?

And you could do that in your.

Kitchen with, like, a blender or, like, a toaster where it's like, you could be playing music in the morning. This is like. I like where we're going with this. I do. I mean, there's certain things. Obviously, it might not apply very well to, like, even, like, because the room is, like, actually kind of. It's quiet with respect to, like, a normal vacuum. Like, you couldn't do it with, like, yelling at you. It's not. Right. But I mean, like, even, like, always yelling at them. Oh, constantly. Constantly. Right. But, yeah, I could see where this applies to most things. Right. It's not every single thing. But, yeah, I like where we're going with this. Baby monitors are probably the only thing where I don't want it. Like, because I. I've seen those videos too, where, like, people were hacking into the baby monitors, right? And we're able to, like, you know, use the microphone, and there's a certain line I would draw there where I.

Don'T know, like, Nick has a line.

Yeah, I have a line.

I do.

That would be the line. Anything to do with like.

Yeah.

I mean you say where we're going with this is though. Like, this is an intentional thing. This was not supposed to happen. Like, I.

No, no, I. But you have to keep in mind though, let. You have to keep in mind though, where there's a will, there's someone's gonna do it. They're just, they're going like, yeah, people live just to break things like intentionally. So, you know, some people, it's their job. So it's like I don't. Whenever something like this happens and it's kind of sad too, but I kind of look at it, we're like, yeah, yeah, that, that doesn't really shock me too much.

But so that also brings up a great tangent that I'm going to go on. Like, think about all this stuff that like companies push code wise that you don't expect. Like, ah, no one's going to use.

This, but it gets exposed and people.

End up using it.

Yeah.

Give an example.

Like, okay, like hub. So we have some undocumented endpoints because they're technically endpoints that, you know. Yeah, we made them. They were used for certain things, but people were like, hey, what if I ping this? Do I get something back? Oh, look, I get something back.

Yeah.

And like naturally we're doing all of that. Like we're, you know, we're working on that. We always say like, don't do, don't use undocumented endpoints because they could change at any time.

That was HR pinging you. Just so you know. That was like, stop talking. Stop talking right now.

I did it with like Postman as an example. Right. Like I kind of started digging into. Or no. Was it Postman? No, it wasn't Postman. I used Postman when I was doing it, but there was a thing I was using where like you needed to be logged in in order to use the system. Well, I just browsed the network tab, saw what was being used to check for the login, copied the cookie, copied what I needed to do, put it into Postman and then I was able to pull from that API because I basically off it without, you know, being documented to do that.

I'm just watching all of our sponsorships drop just as you guys respecting.

But it brings up a good point because like, you do have to be careful what you create because if you leave it open, like you said where there's a will, there's a way. People may not do it maliciously, but people like to play with code. People like to do these things, so.

Plus, the Internet of things is not known for its strong security apparatus around things. Whether it's the refrigerator that you can tweak from. Like, it's.

There's not really. You know what I mean?

There isn't really. Like, I don't feel like there's a lot of focus put on the security aspect of those type of things, especially when they're like, little thing. You know what I mean? Like, where it's like. It's not like you're talking about an entire computer. It's just like this little, you know, refrigerators and, like, things where it's like. It's out of sight, out of mind. The. The technology and security aspect of it. So that's why these things don't surprise me.

Oh, my God.

This reminds me of, like, a movie back in the early 90s, maybe late 80s. That was a smart home that, like, went crazy and.

Yeah.

Heating up the.

The.

The water in the water heater while someone's taking a shower. I need to find the name of this movie.

This is.

I don't know where we watch.

Yes.

Yeah, I think I know what you're talking about, but it is creepy because there's, like. There's, like, home camera systems. People break into those. Like, the people will legit. Like, talk to people through those cameras. Like, that is terrifying.

Yeah. And it's nothing new.

Like, people have. This has been around a while.

It's just the more and more people.

That are becoming more adept at technology, like, you're starting to see it really unfold.

Is that. I remember way back in the day.

I don't know if you remember this site where you were able to control somebody's Christmas lights. Do you remember that?

Yeah.

And it was in a different country. I forgot which country the person lived in. But he had a camera facing his house with his Christmas lights. And if you got into the queue, you got. I think it was like, two minutes or something, but you got to turn on and off, like, his entire display. And then you got booted and the next person came in. But, like, it was super cool. But it's like this kind of stuff always existed where you could kind of get into other people's things. But, like, it just hasn't been mainstream.

Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Gives me flashbacks. I remember I would. There was, like, a way. Do you guys remember Photo Bucket? Like a hosting Service for photos. There was a way where you could hack into people's photo bucket accounts for a while and like mess with it and like all that stuff.

I was like, oh cool, they remember Google Wave. And when they didn't, they didn't know index Google Wave. And then all of a sudden you could search anybody's personal phone two days or something when they were like made a mistake.

Yeah, it's, it's absolutely terrifying. Speaking of being or having a will in a way, the Internet Archive going down. What do we, that's another one where some of you give somebody the opportunity. Well, it's not like they were given the opportunity, but if you're motivated enough. I, I feel bad too because like I was, I was reading a little bit more into this because being a fan of SEO and everything, not too long before this happened, Google, I think it was in like September, Google actually started referencing the Internet Archive for cached versions of the site. Because before you used to be able to search in Google and you could, they had like a link where it was like view cached version or view cached view or something like that and Google would serve that up. Now they started moving away from them being the one serving it to actually relying on the Internet archives. I think this was somewhere mid last month. Even so it wasn't like too far. Wow. Yeah. So, yeah, and then they started doing that and then this whole thing happens and it's just like, I, I, it's, it's, it's crazy too because I don't think people like, especially like if you're non techie or you know, you maybe heard about it in passing. I, I don't think people understand the breadth of like what is stored in the archive itself. Like this is the massiveness of it. And yeah, for something like that to just kind of be compromised at all is a, yeah, that's a big one for sure.

Yeah. So the compromise like it's still people who had logged in their, their user information, is that correct?

Yeah.

I didn't know you could actually have an account with the Internet archived. Quite honest. I, I, I, I've been there many times but I've never actually logged in.

Because I think there's certain things you can, you, you can't download unless you actually have an accountant or log. Like if there's archival stuff or. I remember, sorry one time I think it was like a, a ballet thing my daughter wanted to watch, but it was like from years and years and years ago. The only way to get it was if you were logged in to do it.

No way.

Oh, yep.

So your information has been stolen. Mine has not because I've never shared a dang thing with Internet Archive.

Right, right. But like we were talking about last time too. It's like they probably don't have anything that they probably don't have from a previous like data breach from some other.

For sure.

Home Depot. I keep mentioning home. I'm like, literally, we're gonna get like in trouble for that eventually. But I just remember that letter and I was like, really? The way it was, it was just worded weird, at least to me when I read it. But it was like, have you what you're trying to say here? You know, have you all gotten any.

Letters about your children? Like information about your children's information being stolen?

Oh, that's scary.

No, I have.

I recently got something from a doctor's office or something like that. Where?

Wow.

Yeah. Just crazy, right?

Yeah, I feel like that should be like the most secure databases. I can go.

Yeah, I did get one from a medical place, but it did. It just referenced like it probably was related to the kids too, because they also go to that doctor. But yeah, they. But it's weird though too, the way they word it though. It wasn't as bad as the, the previous one that I won't mention the company anymore. But it just, it's like. I know what you're trying to say. You lost a bunch of information, like a bunch of important information. You know, it's different.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not good. But it's different.

Right, right, right. So. But yeah, that's always something. But yeah, the. Just the, the amount of like plus two.

I.

It wasn't just that they got the information, but I think they took it down for. I can't remember what it said how long the, the archive was actually down for, but it was down for a considerable amount of time. Like for Internet standards, it's still kind of down.

Right. Like it's only in a read only state, right?

Yeah, it's in a read only one.

Yeah. I don't know if they've even. I don't know if they've gotten past that yet. I still think it's actually in a regal estate that's my. That impactful. It's. Yeah, it makes you wonder just about like cyber security in general. Right. Whether whether you're either talking about the Internet of things or you're talking about like certain websites and things like that just like how much of a better job. And I say We. As if, like, I know anything about making it better, but, like, just overall, I think it's just because, like, we. I kind of feel like maybe this is me personally, but, like, we've. I guess the word I'm looking for is grown. But, like, as we keep progressing, like, we're, we're outpacing how we can, like, solidify and lock it down. Like, we're getting so, you know, we're going to make this next, this next, this next, and this, this, this, that, that, like, we're, we're like, literally running away from, like, the security aspect of it. Can't keep up with the innovation. Right. Where it's like, that never, ever leads to a good thing if those things get too separated from each other. So.

Yeah.

But, yeah, it's just one of those things where at a certain point something has to happen big enough where that makes everybody stop. I don't know if the Internet Archive going down is going to be that thing just because of the fact I don't think text people that are less tech savvy, really even, I mean, they understand what it is. If you say, like, oh, it's just a backup of websites. It's a lot more than that. So I don't, it doesn't affect people's dailies as much as, like, you know, Verizon going down or Facebook going down, where it's like, the world. Right.

Yeah. Which. That is kind of terrifying. That happened to me, I think. I don't know if it was this year or last year, but, like, AT&T service, like, went down. Like, just like, it's kind of scary because you're like, is there, like, why, like, why did that happen? And there is, I forget what the. Why it did happen. Something with their satellite. But, like, yeah, it's kind of scary.

Yeah. I just had that happen inbound this year. I was, I was going to get lunch or something. And, like, I don't know if this was widespread, but at least for me, my Verizon just stopped, like, dead. I'm like, walking, I'm not, not near WI Fi and I'm trying to, like, get a lift and I'm like, oh, I can't do that now. Like, I have, it's like no service, no anything. So I'm like, literally standing next to. I think it was like an Outback Steakhouse trying to use their WI Fi to get a lift. I was like, oh, please connect. I'm like, please. So, but yeah, that's like, I, I, that is one of the Most. And it's crazy too, because it's like we're talking about like a phone and it's like the most paralyzing feeling in the world. Someone says, yeah, yeah, that's, I always, I always worry about that kind of stuff because then you do have those type of like, large scale things where like, let's say a Facebook goes down. Because for some people that's, and you know, I, I, I laugh at that a little bit. But you know, for some people, that's their, that's their world. Right. They put all their pictures up there. They, they like pour themselves into this thing that they can't control.

Yep.

And it's terrifying. What does that mean?

It's, it's just an easy technology for families to stay connected and stuff like that. Because I know like, at first I was like, I, I don't know, I.

Don'T like personally posting pictures of like, the kids and stuff on Facebook and whatnot.

But like, we do a family that.

Lives in different states, different area, and.

Like, they, it's a way for them to kind of stay together. But yeah, like, it's, it's crazy when one of those does go down. But at the same time, like, I'm kind of relieved sometimes because I'm like, oh, good, we're back to like, like, we didn't have any of this growing up.

Facebook wasn't.

I remember when Facebook asked for a Social Security number way back in, like the very first iteration, in order to get an account on there. When people look at me and they're like, oh, your information. I was like, dude, I need to zuck my social. Like, way back in the day.

That's wild.

There was just this naive kid in the college being like, look at this cool thing. And like, I'll sell out everything. And like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember on Facebook you had to have like a college email address and that was like, in. And I was like, you had to like, petition.

Like, if it wasn't at your school, you had to petition for it to, to be released for your, like, email address. Like, I remember signing a petition being like, yeah, you should go to eiu.

And I'm like, the stuff we did.

Back then, man, there's just crazy here.

Yeah, well, let's, let's, let's, let's steer away from gloom and doom just a little bit. And let's go into something that, because there was a, there's this. And I think aj you may have posted this one, but it was, why don't you Explain it.

Right, which one are we talking about?

Glasses. With the. With the. With the. With the glasses. Oh, yeah.

So it was really cool. It was a tick tock that I came across where it was accessibility tech built into glasses, and essentially it was live translating, like, what this person was hearing and it was putting the words across the glasses. So it was almost like closed captioning, but only for you, because you're. You're the only one seeing it at the time. Which I just thought that was super cool. Just thinking about the accessibility in general. Like, I know when we do events in the dev side and stuff, like, we always make sure captions, you know, it was really cool. It was a tick tock that I came across where it was accessibility tech built in the glasses and essentially it was live translating, like what this person was hearing and it was putting the words across the glasses. So it was almost like closed captioning. But only for you, because you're. You're the only one seeing it at the time, which I just thought that was super cool. Just thinking about the accessibility in general. Like, I know when we do events in the dev side and stuff, like, we always make sure captions, you know, can we get a, you know, an ASL translator, things like that. Like, this is just bringing it to, like, the next level for everybody. And I just think that that's super cool to be able to have a piece of technology that basically is just like, you pop on your sunglasses and go, well, these.

These weren't meta, right? This is just. This was just something.

I think this was just somebody doing a test of it. I didn't. I only watched the tick tock, like once, but I saw and I was like, look at this. Like, this is cool.

Yeah.

No, I think a noisy circumstance, like, where you have a bunch of crowd noise. How is it?

Yeah, that's what I wonder. Like, because it seemed to work really well in concept for what they were doing. But like, okay, go to a food court in a mall.

Like, yeah.

What happens? Like, you know.

Yeah.

Or like, is it.

Can you.

I guess you can turn it off, right? Like, let's say you're just driving. All of a sudden someone turns the radio on.

Like.

That would be nice.

Got Megan B. Stallion just like just flying across. Yeah. Yeah, that would be. I could see, like, I like the concept of this too, because then I can see this being applied to other things from accessibility as well. Like, especially like. Like, I always remember aj And I don't remember if you remember, but our. Our uncle was. He was colorblind, but with only certain colors, right? So, like, I think it was, like, greens and blues or. No, I think it was like, it was like, blues and browns. Whatever it was. Like, I remember the one time the story they always tell us was he bought this suit and he came home and he's like, this brown suit is deep, and they're like, it's blue. No, so this brown suit is like, this is the best suit.

You.

You're wearing a blue suit. Like, do not. And, like, he didn't. And it was at that point that he realized, like, he couldn't distinguish, like, the browns and the blues. I think it was. There's. There's, like, a certain color combo, but, like, stuff like that where, like, the glasses could point out, like, if you did have that type of, like, deficiency with, you know, differentiating colors, like, to be able to point out, like, things that were blue or green, like. Like that kind of thing, like, the. The potential there. Like, I just. I love that. I honestly love that because that's where things I could see. Because when I. And. And I know these aren't, like, specifically metaglasses, but when, like, when I was, like, watching, like, Zuckerberg's Metaglasses, like, demo, right, I was trying to think of, like, really useful things that it could be used for. Because I always, like, I always see stuff like that, and I'm thinking, like, yeah, no, I saw Google Glass. Cool. Nobody used it. And ended up, you know, people have them, like, sitting on a. You know, as like a. Like an artifact. You know what I mean? Like, nobody use. You know what I mean? So I'm like, yeah, I hope this isn't that. But then I was trying to think of, like, things where, like, whether it was meta glasses or not, like, what could be used for, but stuff like that, I think it's fantastic, for sure.

I mean, I like to make the same technology that what Pixel Buds have, right, where it can do the live translation.

What was that phone even the flip phone. Now, maybe it's the Motorola, but you ever see that commercial where I think.

She'S ordering food, but she puts the.

Phone down and flips it up and she's, like, talking. And because it's like the dual screen, like, it's translating on one side of the phone and then on the other side of the phone, so she's got, like, in an L shape in front of her for those listening, like, and then she's telling the person cooking, like, what she wants, and it's translating it on the on the front side. And then. Yeah, and then when the chef is talking back, it's translating it on the other side. I'm just like, that's, that's the buds thing. Like, yeah, visually I'm like, that's fantastic.

This is a Motorola device.

It might be Motorola. They're indestructible, right? I'm guessing Motorola because, like, it was, it was a flip phone. And there's, there's other ones that are making. I think Samsung has one too, but it was one of those. But definitely it was one that. Where the glass, it had the. I don't know what they call that glass, but it's bendable, essentially. So, yeah, that was fantastic. Foreign. Let's jump. We'll do one more. And this one, this one. I, I didn't put any of these in there, so I'm glad you guys. I'm guessing Motorola because, like, it was, it was a flip phone. And there's, there's other ones that are making. I think Samsung has one too, but it was one of those. But definitely it was one that. Where the glass, it had the. I don't know what they call that glass, but it's bendable, essentially. So, yeah, that was fantastic. Let's jump. We'll do one more. And this one, this one. I, I didn't put any of these in there, so I'm glad you guys.

Actually care about this next.

I know, yeah. Some people do the research. I just, I find funny things to say like, you know, botanophobia, but like, no, this one I did. I did see the video of it, which I thought was really, really congratulations.

For being somewhat informed of what we're talking about.

Half informed is better than not being informed at all. But again, I, I hide behind. I hide behind big dumb animal. And that's. That's my excuse. But no, in that the, the space that's armed. That catching the rocket ship back I thought was like one of the coolest things. The question I did have though, because I didn't know much about how it actually worked, was was it somebody actually controlling the arms to grab it or was this like all completely.

It was one of the, the bar robots that were serving people that they use later on too.

Yeah. After sobering up, of course. Of course, yes.

Actually, I, I did not look this at all. So if anyone wants to fill me in on everything that's happened with the space launch.

So ideally what it was is SpaceX launched the rockets as they, as they do, and then when the rocket was coming back down I think this was the. Was this the first successful one that they had? Because I think they've tried this before and it's kind of go to plan where it actually, like, came back down. And just watching the video was astonishing on, like, the slowed and the, like.

The precision it was during this.

And. And I. I believe there were people.

Operating the control, I would imagine. Yeah.

But I don't know why, but in my head, everything you said just now, I'm thinking like a scene from the Incredibles, you know, the. The car and like the. The evil people. Like a rocket coming back down into that factory and hands coming out and grabbing it. And that's in my head right now. That's all I see.

It would have been better. It would have been better if the arms had, like, gloves on the end.

Yes.

Like the big Mickey Mouse white gloves.

I don't know why, but that's exactly what I was thinking. With these, like, big, ridiculous, like, Mickey Mouse hands. It's like. And just grabbing it, you know, it would have been. Yeah, they would have loved that. Fantastic. But no, like, the precision. It's crazy to think, too, like, just. And again, like, I. I guess this comes with, like, the whole. I. Yeah, I think I mentioned this last episode too, like, growing up not having. And then having, like. It's not that we didn't have rocket ships. Right. It's not like, you know, it. We, you know, we didn't grow up in the Stone Age, but like, you think of, like, NASA versus now, the commercialized, like, SpaceX, like, just what they've been able to do, where it's like, you know, you can watch, like, archival footage of, like, you know, the. The parachuting, like the pod essentially coming back down with astronauts versus, like, this basically landing itself coming back down, like, just that jump in that amount of time is just. It's remarkable. And then to watch something with such precision now versus, like, you go back and you watch rocket launches, you know. You know, the past that NASA did, it's. It's. It's crazy to think that that's. Those. Those two things are only, what, tens of years off.

Yeah. No joke. Talk about the apex of disposable society. Like, you launch a rock and just throw away this giant. Blows my mind. That was okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's. The space has always been like, this big unknown. Right. So, like, it's always been interesting to me to be like, oh, because I think, like I said, they're still training for, like, the manned Mars mission or something that they were going to do and it's like oh by the way, it's a one way, one way ticket. I know like, like I applaud the people that are doing it because that is just. I, I, I would love to do something like that but I would never.

Be able to do it.

I would never, I would say I do, would never do it but it's just one of those things. But like it's, it's crazy though how fast technology moves and how quick things are going because like you said back in the day, if somebody went oh they launched a rocket.

What?

They launched a rocket where now it's like oh they sent a rocket somewhere cool. Like it, it's just, it's, it's crazy. It's crazy.

Imagine it's like it'll be the equivalent and who knows how far this or how far off this will be but like signing up for Starfleet and being like the first person to go out on like the, the, the five year mission, right to go explore. Like we're not, you know what I mean? Like we've come this far from there to now. Like how much for like how much longer is it going to be before we get to, from there to like that. That's what I always wonder because it's like you always see these things and you think like oh that's so far fetched or like you know, any kind of technology, you know in whether it's movies or TV shows or whatever like that but they start from somewhere, right? Like even some of, like what some of the military people aren't sports man, we got a space force. I mean people aren't walking around with tricorders yet. But like even some of like military tech and some of that other stuff it's been pulled from like conceptual things that have been in rubies and like even stuff like Gene Roddenberry had like dreamed of like at the very, very beginning. Like some of those things in some form or fashion or shape find their way into like the mainstream. I'm just wondering at what point it's like hey, you signing up for Starfleet? So you know we're gonna be there at some point. So yeah, as long as that first.

Mission you have Patrick Stewart leading it.

That's, that was all I want in life obviously. Well they'll be, they'll be cloning by then right? Of people that'll be legal so we'll have like a, somewhat of a Captain Picard although I'm more of a Captain Kirk fan myself but like yeah, didn't.

Kurt go up in something a while back. Didn't he, like, do.

Yeah. Was it convergent space flight, I think. Wasn't he.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, into a low ATM or high atmosphere flight or something like that. So it was technically space.

That is nightmare fuel. That is like. Oh, my God. Wait, wait.

I mean, come on. At a certain point, like, you're too high. You're too high up to even be worried about heights. Right.

I would have died a quarter of the way up just from a heart attack. Like, I would have just. My heart would have just stopped. Like, I would have been like, yeah, we're not doing this. Boom.

And it just would have just gave up. Oh, you got to go up to the 10th floor. Nope.

No. Yeah, I would have been able to get in the ship. Right? That's all like. That's like. There's stairs in the hotel.

Were you six?

Oh, yeah.

No, it was seventh. That was the seventh.

He walked up the stairs.

For part of it.

Yeah, for part of it. After the third or fourth day, my legs were just like.

Yeah, they'd be burning.

Yeah, there were.

There.

It was. It was painful. It was. Yeah. And then the fire alarm at one in the morning didn't help either.

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

For those who are listening, there was a. An inbound that just passed. There was a. The hotel me and Dennis stayed in. We were on the seventh floor, and at like, one in the morning, I think it was like on what was a Thursday or something or Wednesday night, somebody, I guess somebody wandered into the. The downstairs in the foyer area and, like, pulled the fire alarm, and everybody had to, like, funnel down the stairs, and it was just like this traffic jam. Yeah, I. I was thinking about it. I'm just like, it's probably on the other side. If there is anything. I'm like, but no, I, like. People started, like, funneling out. So I'm like, all right. But, like, it was crazy because it took so long because everybody was funneling down these stairs. By the time you got to the bottom, everybody was pushing it back up, saying, oh, it's nothing. And then you're like, I can't. There, there.

You're here.

I can't do. Yeah, so it took it. Yeah. So nobody slept that night, basically. It was awful, that place. Yeah. But. But, yeah, no, for me, that was like, I can do, like. I don't know if it's under 10. It's doable, but, like, yeah, there's no. I'm not. We went to the last time I went because we were talking about Peer Week. The last time we came down to. I think it was either Peer week or inbound last year, my family came with me and we stopped at Niagara Falls. And I don't know if I told you this last time, but they. I. It really sucks because on the American side, there's no.

You can see.

When you see on the Canadian side, there's this nice little walking path and you can walk down. It's beautiful. On the American side, I'm like, where's the, where's the, where's the walk path? There's like, there's no walk path. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. They've got one. Why don't we have one? Canada's got it. We can have it, right? No, it's this 30 story elevator that's like a. Looks like a cargo elevator.

Americans don't walk.

Yeah, I didn't go down that. I was like, nah, nah, I can see it from here. I'm good. Yeah, that was nightmarish. Just so I couldn't imagine even going up to. Into a. Yeah, you're going to go sit in the very tippy top of that 30, 40 story rocket ship. Yeah. No, I'm.

I'm saying we need to have an outing. And the next team outing is going to be here at the. I think it's. I, I'm gonna call it the wrong name for the tower, but I'm gonna call it the Sears Tower because that's what it was originally way back in the day. But they got that sky deck where you like lean out.

That's great. Yeah.

No, come on.

There was somebody who stood on that once and didn't like, it didn't crap. Like, it's not like it broke, but there was like a crack. Yeah, like one of the.

They jumped on it. They were like. Or did they jump up, try to be funny and like jump up and down on those things? They're like, that's where. I can't.

Like that. I can't. Yeah, there's actually, there's. There's one like that, but I think I can't remember. I'm gonna, I'm gonna bomb this geography quiz as well, but I want to say it's in China, but there's like a bridge. That's that same concept where it's like. Yeah, you could see right through it. Why. Why would you do that? Like, I don't like. It's bad enough being that high.

Why would you like purposefully, like has the screen Built in and it starts.

To crack to like scare.

That's awesome.

Thank you.

That's awful.

Elevators too. Elevators have that where it's like the wall is like a video wall. Like water starts like leaking. They're like what. It's like. Yeah, right.

Yeah.

That's just. There's one E for that nonsense. That's. Ah.

You might enjoy House on a Rock in Wisconsin. That I know is in Wisconsin.

Oh.

Because like literally you go up. You like drive up this basic like mountainside.

Okay.

And then there's one thing that you can walk across then go out over the. Over the cliff to kind of like see around. But it's literally like this house is on top of a mountain. And then you just walk through like rooms upon rooms upon rooms down in the.

Oh, wow.

I mean that's not bad.

You can get actually care about this next.

People do the research. I just. I find funny things to do it without having to fly to it. So I mean that's. I mean the heights.

I mean it's a lot up and down hills. But there's bigger hills are okay.

They could have built it on a plateau somewhere. That's a little unnecessary. But that's fine. I mean, I think I can handle that. That's not the revan. No. Like under 10 stories is decent. Like, I wasn't bad. It's just not a fan, I guess.

Prefer to be in a hole in the ground.

I think it was. Who was I talking to? I might. So it might have been John. But like I told him. I'm like, yeah, I'm all for like. I can't remember like what decade this was in or what, like time span. But at a certain point you couldn't build any in England. You couldn't build any building higher than Buckingham Palace. It was like you couldn't build anything taller than that at some. I'm like, something like that. I. I could have lived in that era.

I mean, I probably would have.

I. Diabetes wouldn't have been my friend at that point. Yeah.

But a thousand other things. But you know what? I would have been happy.

I wouldn't have been high up anywhere. So like, there's a give and take there. Where I tried it. Why not?

I'm curious about that balance of give and take.

It seems like, oh, it would have died for sure. But like I would have died happy because I wouldn't have been like really, really high up and you know, whatever. I once had to like. I don't know if I was telling you this, Dennis, or I know AJ Knows this, but when I had to get my. When I had to get my passport for my honeymoon, I can't remember what had happened. But the place I was supposed to go get it at here locally, it was either closed or there was a problem. So they said, oh, well, you have to go downtown to, like, the official building or whatever it was in the city, in Chicago. And I'm like, all right, this can't be too bad. Some government building, whatever. Well, what they didn't tell me was it was, like, on the. It had to have been. I'm not even exaggerating. 30 something in the 30s, maybe in the. In the even 40s in this building. Tall, tall, high rise. Might have been the daily center downtown. I can't remember a specific building, but it's tall building. Either way, it doesn't matter. Way too tall. Regardless of the name. But I, I. I never wanted to.

Like, ever got married.

Yeah, well, they know. It's like, no. I never wanted to just pass out so much in my life. I was like, maybe if I just pass out, someone will roll me off at the right floor. Like, it was so terrifying because it was just like, I. I could feel myself, like, going up 30 because it was like. And it was slow, too. Whoever set the speed, shame on them, because that was, like, way too long. I was like, I'm watching that number. Like, it was. Oh. Like it was a blood sugar. I'm just like, come on, go up, Go up. Let's go.

Like, when you were making travel easy for people, it was just, oh, I.

Truly hope you believe. Like, if you passed out, someone just, like, would roll you out on a floor.

I would have been happy with that.

Just on your handwriting. 4:11.

Yeah. And the kid. First I get to the floor, right? And I'm like. I literally was dizzy. I was like, oh, my God. I know I'm high up and over and, like, I go to go, and there's, like, this, you know, waiting area to sit down. The only seat, and I kid you not, the only seat by the window. The only seat that's available. This place is packed because, like, everybody with, like, passport problems is there, right? That's where you go. Nowhere to sit but, like, right next to the window. Windows wide open. I'm looking, I'm like, can we shut the curtain? Like, it's. I know it's the daytime, but we don't really need this open. And they're just like, they don't care. They're like, get away, you know, Like, I'M busy. So I'm, like, sitting there trying not to, like. Like, did you ever see, like, that, you know, in Beetlejuice where he's, like, looking over at the guy next, though? I was trying so hard not to stare at the window, like, oh, God. Oh, God. And then I did, stupidly, and I thought my heart was just gonna drop. I just, like. Yeah, it was. Oh, just the worst. Just nightmare fuel. Are.

Are you actually in, like, a dungeon now? I mean, I've noticed you've never have any outside light that comes into this.

You know, this would be Hannah's nightmare because you can't grow anything in here. Like, everything has to be plastic. I might as well have Bonaprobia because, like, there's no light, so nothing. I've tried to grow stuff in here, and, like, there's a window here, but there's not enough light. It's like, I'm a. And it's. Yeah. So everything has to be, like, fake Paul trees.

You could invest in, like, the Lego. Like, the LEGO plants. I do have those, too.

Yeah.

It's just, like, straight Legos everywhere. Have to be that. Yeah.

Palm trees in your room. Please tell me you really do have those.

Yeah. I haven't found one that's, like, reasonably priced, but I probably would if I did.

Like, a inflatable one.

I could do that. Yeah. That's actually.

Growing up, you used to have the inflatable furniture. Like, the inflatable furniture.

Thinking of them, that was.

Yeah, that was totally him.

Growing up, I had one from the super bowl. Like. Like the Miller Light ones, which I don't know if. Yeah, I guess I think, like, for a while, though.

Like, I remember that thing lasted for years.

I used it like, it was like, something from, like, Ashley Furniture. Like. Like, it was something like. Like, Chris. I would clean. It was pristine, like.

Yeah, yeah. The best part is it's just like, the grandparents, like, there was. It was made of plastic, so you didn't have to put plastic on it to keep it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Perfect clean. It was great. Yeah. Absolutely great. I think it eventually just got more. Yes.

How many other people's grandparents were also the same way? Like, did everybody else grandparents have plastic on the furnitures? Like, when you walk down, this is our dining room or this is our living room, and everything is covered in plastic.

Yeah.

Yeah, I seen.

It's got to be an Italian thing, because that's every. Yeah. Every Italian grandmother I know always had the plastic all over, which is actually kind of funny, because I Think that actually is going to lead us into. No, it is the per. No, it is the perfect segue. It is in the next. This is great. I don't even know how this works. Thank you, A.J. that was brilliant. It's not till question three. But what we. What I'm trying to do, like as we kind of land these planes is to not have a rough landing. To use an analogy of something I absolutely hate.

When you say landing plane, though, you're talking about like the plane from like Madagascar Pixar movies where it's like falling off and things are. Yes.

I mean, as long as you can.

Perfect picture of the plane. Like this isn't like Air Force One coming in for a landing.

There's wheels down, but it's not perfect one wheels down.

Once someone's down there has to mechanically like crank.

Would. Yeah, it's.

It.

As long as it gets. As long as it hits the ground, it. We'll all be there. It'll be fine. Trust me. But what we like to do is. What we're trying to do is we do a little bit of a fun game at the end last time as. As we. You heard us mention at the beginning of this about Dennis and AJ failing miserably in getting 40. Whoa. I mean. I mean, miserable from. From the ass. I. I have a. I have a high standard. I want to.

Writing on the curve.

I think I am. I'm got an A plus.

I like to.

But Nick, your standards can't be too high. Otherwise that would be uncomfortable for you. Right?

That's what. No, they're no higher than Buckingham Palace. That's the height of my standards. But what I didn't want to do.

I like that.

That's good. That's good. That's not bad. That's not bad. I like that. See, I'm glad we do this at the end with the titles now because it saves me from looking like an idiot trying to squeeze in things that were completely irrelevant.

I think it saves that.

Irrelevancy. I'm a complete idiot in other aspects, absolutely. But irrelevancy. This saves me from that. But for this game, what we decided to do is the last time we did like a 10 questions and I purposely made them almost unanswerable for both Dennis, A.J. but this time we had. When we were talking trying to set this episode up, we had.

I.

Somebody had mentioned something and I think all four of us were actually in the slack chat, but something about a rider. It was in my writer that Dennis had to do something like, or I had to do something, or I wanted something done specifically. And I thought, okay, that. Interestingly, that can't be the most ridiculous thing, you know, in a celebrity writer. And for those listening, like, and who don't know what a writer is, it's basically just like, it's a document that, like, a band, a musician, or a performer will have for, like, the. The person booking things, which is important.

As a really, really crazy writer.

Right.

Like, but it's the requirements for the performance. Right? And it can be just about, like, you know, weird things that they ask for. Like, I think one of them. I think, like, Kanye once wanted, like, his carpet in his dressing room ironed. It was weird. Like, but, like. But that's the type of things, right?

When you talk about the person requesting.

It, that doesn't sound weird.

Well, the request itself. But what I. What I did was I. I kind of. We're going to call this a. A famous writer six pack. So I picked six famous writers, and I'm gonna give you three choices of three different celebrities. Movie stars and so on and so forth, or bands. And you have to match who made the ridiculous request. And one of these is about things being wrapped in plastic wrap. So that's where the whole. Just to kind of bring this full circle. The whole Italian grandma covering furniture with plastic made me think, like, okay, this is a good segue into kind of how we kind of land this plane. And this is. What's that?

How do we answer?

How.

So, like, are we gonna.

I'll give you two choices.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Are we all just going to say at the same time, you go, 1, 2, 3, and we yell out the answer?

No. No, you guys, the three of you can decide who you think, like, as a group.

Okay. All right.

Because last time, AJ Pretty much copied off Adele Dennis's answers. That's why he got it.

Really? I can't argue with facts.

I mean, five out of ten. Not really factual, but, I mean, I can argue with cheating, but that's. I mean, it's a different thing, but so I figured this. I figured this would be a kind of a nice way to shake things up. So that way, it's not always 10 questions, because I'll be very honest. Like, I don't want to keep asking the same 10 questions. But then it's hard to find 10 really funny questions that kind of tie into what I wanted to talk about during the. The thing, so. But I figured this would be a nice way to kind of land this plane. And then we can all get off safely and go about our date. So we'll start with number one. Now this one's a. There. These are three singers. They're all in a band, but these are the three individual lead singers of these three. One of them asked for on tour in the venues that they provide them with a square shaped melon. Now I did. Now at first I didn't think this was a thing, but when we start, when we start doing writer notes, we'll put this stuff in there because it's interesting. They really make watermelons and like square shapes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which I did not think was a thing. I thought it was a joke at first, but. So at all of their venues on their tour for that year, was it Axl Rose of Guns N Roses, Mick Jagger or Bono of U2? Of course, Mick Jagger being of the Rolling Stones. Which one of those three do you think demanded? Well, not demanded, but asked that on tour of all their venues and providing them with a square shaped melon sounds.

Like an Axl Rose.

That's what I was saying. It's like Axel Rose. Like, who would ask for that? Like, who would want to ask?

I'm gonna go with Bono only because Bono is just out there and I feel like he's the most world traveled version. So he would know that that exists.

All right, we've got to decide as a group.

So I think Aegis went on his own right now.

Okay. I' relax some Rose, but it might hurt. I feel like it's Bono.

It's actual Rose. It's actually.

I mean, I'm not good at this.

Can we, can we just go ahead.

And take points off of AJ Just for run.

I mean, I can score this in a way where it's, you know, all three of you. That's fine. Yeah. And then because, I mean, I have.

A feeling, say we were going to make a leaderboard and I do want to see how far into the negatives I could possibly. This is going to be like Top Gear where like there's the one driver who's the absolute worst.

It's most likely going to be me. Yeah, we can make a leaderboard, but the problem is now, because we're doing separate, different types of. They won't always be different, but like, since the games are kind of different and there's six questions here, 10 questions there, we'll have to figure out how that leaderboard works because it's.

Don't overthink this.

It'll be great.

You're asking me not to overthink things.

I think Bondo would ask for, like, Tears of a Child in a cup.

Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, exactly.

Now, this one total side tangent, that's.

Just because we mentioned it. Does anybody remember when Bono in his concert was like, like, asked for a moment of silence and then they gave silence? And then he goes every, like, 30 seconds or whatever such and such happened, and somebody screamed up. He's like, then stop talking. Or something like that.

No, no, no.

Just. Just look it up because it's really fun. He said something in regards to, like, every time there's so many seconds of silence, like, this happens. And somebody yelled and they're like, well, then stop doing whatever you're doing. It was. It was a terrible thing.

That's what happens when you get overserved at a music festival.

That's pretty much how that works.

Now, this second one is a. A more famous one from what I understand, from what I've read. But this band asked for. And the reason they asked for it was because they didn't think people were reading the rider, actually. So this wasn't. This wasn't a. Yeah, so this wasn't a serious. Yeah, it wasn't a serious one where they really thought they were going to get it, but they asked it just to see if they would do it, to make sure that the people who were fulfilling the riders were actually paying attention. But the request was for a bowl of M M's with all of the brown ones taken out. So a big bowl of M M's take out all the brown ones. There's. And I've heard this referenced on, like, TV shows and, like, joking and, like, making jokes about it. But of these three bands, which one was the one that requested this? Was it Led Zeppelin, AC DC or Van Halen?

Van Halen.

Wow.

I know. I know that. I.

Okay.

I feel like that. Like, he's not leaving the notes. He's not cheating this time.

Okay, so it's AC dc, Van Halen. Who's the. Zeppelin.

Zeppelin, yeah.

Okay, I'm going lead. I'm going Led Zeppelin.

I don't know what I'm going with. It can be all three. I'll go with acdc.

It's Van Halen.

Ah, okay.

Wow.

Yeah. Apparently they were. I was reading it and they. They didn't think. I can't remember if this was on tour or at one specific place, but they didn't think that people were paying attention to the stuff they were putting in the writer. So they put that in there. Just to see if they were actually reading the thing and fulfilling everything.

Was it. Was it Van Halen to did right now, like that. The Clear Pepsi commercial? Remember? Like, that was.

That's their song, right? Yeah.

If I was Van Halen, I'd always require Clear Pepsi to be in my dressing room.

I mean, obviously mine would have to be Zero Sugar, Oreo, Coca Cola, since that's our unofficial sponsor for.

For.

For Hannah. They were. I was. The last episode. I was. I was literally talking and I started choking on air. And, like, so I took it. I took a step. I had, like, next time this, like. And it was. It was a. It's a special edition. I can't believe I'm actually taking time to describe this. It was like a special, like, zero Coke, but it was Oreo flavored and had zero sugar. So I was like, was it good? I honestly had to drink a couple of them because it just tasted like regular zero sugar. I didn't know there. Didn't feel like there was a difference. Maybe there was a slight difference, but.

It wasn't a lot.

I. I hope someone somewhere creates an ad for us to play for Zero Sugar, Oreo, Diet Coke.

I'm gunning for the sponsorship. That's what I'm looking for.

I'm hoping.

I'm hoping somebody. I'm hoping somebody at Coca Cola is up late one night on YouTube and is, like, done watching all of the pop videos they can and then comes across this and is like, yeah, that's the guy we want.

Right.

You know, the person who did the Oreo edition of this has watched all the videos on YouTube and probably is at that point. So this is. This is a possibility.

Yeah, that's. I'm. I'm just playing the odds, really. That's all I'm doing. Okay, now for number three. This is the one that brought the. The good segue in transition here. This particular artist asked for. All items in the dressing room must be covered by clear plastic wrap until uncovered by main artists. This is absolutely necessary. And this is in quotes. So this is what. This is what it said in the writer.

Can I just take a guess right off the bat?

No, but I get where you're going with the. With the germaphobia. Okay, that's a good guess, but no, it's not that. Of the three, was it Marilyn Manson, Prince, or Megan Thee Stallion?

Oh, my God.

Marilyn Manson.

It was Prince.

Oh, okay. What. Why. Why did he.

I have no idea. Honestly. I didn't get that far into the reading, but because I Just stopped when it was like, everything had to be covered. You know what? Actually, no, I think he didn't like people. It was specific. It was. I think they did it like that to be kind of like a blanket statement, but I think it was specifically geared towards food. He didn't like people touching his food.

Opened.

Yeah. So everything had to be covered or either wrapped in plastic or. Yeah, he didn't like people touching food, which I get. Like. I don't. Yeah, I'm the same way, but I don't think I would have everything covered in plastic. And it doesn't say to what extent things were covered.

Yeah. Like bananas, like an apple. Yeah.

Every. Just a feeding fruit or shrink wrap machine, like, just would be like sitting.

There trying to rip sheets of plastic, which it never happens from.

The.

Right. Right.

Or Jeffrey. It's like when they do, like, the toilet paper mummy thing, but instead it's like just shrink wrap around everything. Like, everything.

You all watch that Chappelle show with Charlie Murphy.

Yeah.

So freaking good.

I love it. I love it for this one. This one was from specifically from a 2011 show in northern Ireland. This particular artist asked that an entire koi pond be built right there for them. Working, working functioning koi pond. So it was either.

Did they bring their own koi?

Nope. Everything koi pond. Fill it with koi everything. Little koi pond. It was either Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, or Eminem. Oh, yeah.

Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg. I'm going.

It seems like a chill atmosphere.

Yeah.

What you saying, Dre? Okay. It was actually Eminem.

Really love for. Interesting. Okay.

Yeah, it's. I saw it on a couple of websites that it was, like, confirmed that, like, in the writer, he wanted a koi pond right there.

Such weird Google searches after this. Like.

Yeah, right.

What did. Was it actually confirmation that was actually built? Did someone follow through?

Yeah. Did they do it?

I believe they did. From what I. From what I read. Unless they didn't, and I just didn't catch it. But I. It is a. Most of these things that I've read was the writer was fulfilled in some way, form or fashion.

I mean, you found it on the Internet, so it must be true.

Must be true. The only one that. That I saw that it specifically didn't happen. And it's not one of the questions. I'm obviously, I'm not gonna giving one away, but was Mariah Carey at one of her Christmas specials, asked for, like. And I'm gonna get the numbers wrong, but it was like 100 doves and 20 cats or something. And they said, yeah, no, that's a health hazard. We're not doing the cats and the doves. She only got the doves. So, like, that was the only one where I read where they specifically said, absolutely not so well. Yeah.

That time of the year where they do need to start thawing her for the Christmas special.

That's true.

I'm surprised it's not there now.

I mean, like, I will never forget her MTV Cribs episode. If anyone ever watched that, she had use her, like, butterfly era. And it was like everything in her house was butterflies.

It was like, yes. An animal sanctuary. Yeah. Okay, this one. This one's. This one's near and dear to my heart because I also have a love for bacon. Just not this much. But in the writer, it said very important that bacon be available at every meal and during day. End quote.

And during day.

Yeah, it reminds me of that. I don't know if you've ever seen that Taco Bell commercial. I don't know if anyone that's a football fan where I think it's Devonte Adams, but he has a Taco Bell in his house. So that way, like in the commercial, he can get Taco Bell any moment. Any given time. There's a Taco Bell person in a booth right there.

I told you, I got a Taco Bell in my dorm.

Random TV cribs. I think Kid Rock had a Starbucks in his house or something like that. Really back. Oh, that's Cribs.

Like that.

I could do that.

That would be kind of cool.

Like, I don't know, like some. Some barista always there, kind of, like, you know, moping around.

That's true. I mean, that's true. But you'd have to, like. You'd have to have other stuff going on. It couldn't be.

Odd reason. They always misspell your name on the cup still, even though you're.

We hate you so much for doing that every single time. Yeah, I can Brock Kim drock your tricks. Kim Rock? Yeah. Who's this Kim Rock person? I don't know.

Okay, so this one is very important.

That bacon be available at every meal and during day. No, no, no. This is more in the now. I'm not. I don't want music fans to be mad at me. But more during, like, the metal era, if you will. So it was either Alice in Chains, Iron Maiden, or Metallica.

Alice in Chains.

Who loves bacon? Who loved bacon that much? Who do you think Metallica was? You want to guess the third one, too? I was gonna say you're going across the board.

Yeah, I'll go back to Allison Chains. I'm going to Allison Chains.

Okay.

Yeah, I'll second that. Yeah, yeah.

Allison Chains. I think it's Alice Cooper.

Oh, really?

No, we're gonna. Dennis, I Did you hear what I heard too? Because I will admonish that one next time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll come back to that.

Okay. We'll come back to that. Great.

Alison Chains wasn't Alice Cooper.

You know what it is.

Or ignore everything.

No, no. The guy in Kalamazoo is living rent free in his head and now all music to him has been completely broken. Completely broken.

That's exactly what it is.

And you super.

She like, see from Kalamazoo. No, it's got to be. But nope, nobody got that one right. It was actually Metallica, so I, I, I saw that on one or two sites. So I'm, I'm gonna question the legitimacy of it. But like, I mean, I, I've seen crazier stuff and I can respect the bacon. I, I, I would like that as well. I mean, I wouldn't last much longer cholesterol wise, but it, it'll be, it'll be pretty damn good. I'll give them that. So kudos for that one on the bacon. So this is the last one on the six pack. This is going to be. And this. I, I don't, I did not read why this is, I think this is just people being weird, but it requested that and I, it, it'll be, it'll be pretty damn good. I, I'll give them that. So kudos for that one on the bacon. So they said this was on a couple of occasions during a tour, so I don't know if it was every single stop, but a five foot high inflatable animal species Unspecified.

Species unspecified within the writer itself.

Yeah. So as long as it was a 5 foot high inflatable animal species, is it going to be. I mentioned something about why, but it wasn't 100% sure, but it was. Was it DJ Khaled Deadmau 5 or Skrillex?

Deadmau 5.

Does it have to be something? Could it be good music?

I mean, I.

Loose singer of Alice in Chains.

You're gonna, yeah, you're gonna have some people mad at you about that. I'm not gonna bail you out on that. After you got. It's one of the three, I can tell you that.

I'm gonna go with Skrillex.

Yeah.

And I'm dead mouse.

Okay.

Dennis was Right. It was dead mouse.

Okay.

Yeah, they, they. They mentioned. They mentioned the possibilities because he's just an introvert and he doesn't like people. So he just had, like. That was one of the theories, but there wasn't anything that was like, concrete where it's like, specifically did this as a joke or wanted to see. It just mentioned that that was in the writer, and I think it actually had a picture of, like, it written in the writer. So that was. To me, that was. Yeah. I mean, all right, if you're gonna, you know, make friends, you gotta start somewhere, I suppose.

So there's a trend with your questions. They're all seem like mostly in the 90s. The last one was not right.

No, I'm the last one. Probably in the 2000s. I mean, yeah, 2011 is when Eminem wanted the koi pond. So that was. But, I mean, the music spans across maybe a couple.

Is our writer still a thing? Could you not find anything from the current generation?

Honestly, I looked at some of the most ridiculous. So maybe, like, people have been a little bit more realistic in their mind. Maybe that's. I. I don't know. But, yeah, no, a lot of them weren't, and some of them just weren't that funny where it was just like they wanted, like, a bunch of food or like, specifically, like, one of them was like, Britney Spears wanted McDonald's cheeseburgers with no bun. I'm like, that's just because you don't want. If you don't want carbs. I do the same thing when I go to Portillo's. I don't think that's weird. So, like, it's like, I got. You know. But no, these were some of the ones where I was just kind of like. Even I was like, wait, why? Why? Why what? I was like, plastic wrap. What? I'm like, explain more.

White pond is easily the most outrageous.

Yeah, that's pretty wild. I have kids. I mean. Yeah. Is it like, in a pool? Like, what is that?

Like a kitty, little kiddie pool?

It depends on how they build it, because, I mean, you could put a tarp in the back of a truck and create a koi pond? Technically, yeah. Did they dig it? Did they, like.

Right, right.

I'm like, is it still there?

Is it just, like, now a permanent fixture of this place?

You know, if we ever get an investigative team to go along with this podcast to do any reporting, I think Northern Ireland is where we're going to send them first to see if this koi pond still exists.

All Right. Yeah, I volunteer for that mission.

We'll see if. We'll see if our managers can put that in. The budget is just a one plane ticket, you know, round trip to Northern Ireland to see if there's a koi pond somewhere in Northern Ireland.

It's totally work related. Totally work related.

Might take a couple of months, but. Well, I think we'll get to the bottom of this. This is good. This is how we expand the podcast. This is good. I like this. Yeah, Yeah. I was always thinking, Always thinking. But that does end our wonderful game. I hope you guys enjoyed that because, yeah, these are. I want to make them funny, but at the same time, it's like, it's hard to find stuff that's actually, like, worth asking where I don't sound like an idiot. More than normal, so. But I do want to thank Hannah. Thank you so much for being our guest and friend of the show. Whether you want to be or not at this point. I'll understand if you don't, but. Yeah, but from everybody here, I want to say thank you. We put another episode into play here, which is great. Fingers crossed for three. And yeah, Hannah, why don't you tell everyone where they can find you?

Do I want that? No, it's okay.

Pretend like we're Home Depot. Just give us all of your Home Depot, everybody. Absolutely.

Yeah. Find me at Home Depot plant aisle. But yeah, you can find me on the Developer Slack. You can find me on LinkedIn. I'm on the community forum, all those fun things. So anything HubSpot, just Google my name.

So would you be willing to share.

The website for your flower stuff, too?

Oh, yeah, it's called graceroseflowers.com, so, yeah, check it out.

We definitely need show notes because we need to be able to put this stuff in show notes at some point.

So.

Makes sense. That sounds professional.

Like I said, we're ironing out a few things. We'll have shown notes for sure. For sure. Besides, we want all of the mistakes we make to live forever.

Exactly.

I won't have a resume for my next job. I'll just point at that and be like, that's all the fun stuff I do. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. And Dennis, why don't you.

Yeah, you can find me in the. The nuts and bolts aisle at Home Depot. Stalking regularly on the LinkedIn/ Dennis Edson, I think it is. And on your normal channels within HubSpot world, I will be there.

Same for me. Find me on LinkedIn. AJ Laporte. Find me on the developer Slack. LinkedIn's probably the better spot if you're, you know, not in the developer slack.

So that makes sense. And you know, when will you be playing next, aj what's your next show?

I am not as well versed as.

A musician to be able to play a show since your geography's off. Will it be in like Austin, Massachusetts or will it be in like Seattle, Texas? Like where can we find Seattle, Texas?

Just east of the Mason Dixon Line, right?

You'll be in the Pacific Ocean this time west of the you find me.

A man made raft.

And if anyone is looking for me to either yell at me or correct me, I'm also on LinkedIn. If you're on the developer slack, you can find me under AJ laporte if you have any questions that are too hard for me to answer or Dennis and yeah, no, at the end of the day, hopefully you'll be able to find me here hosting every other week, on Wednesdays, maybe more. We'll see. But yeah, on behalf of everybody here, I just want to thank everyone for listening. As always, it's been a pleasure to make fun of my co hosts and to have wonderful guests like Hannah. So thank you and we'll see you next time.

Ciao.