Remarkable People Behind the Podcast: How to Nurture Your Creativity

Foreign. Good morning. Good morning. It is Guy Kawasaki. I am in Watsonville, California, home of the best Mexican food in California. And I'm joined by Jeff C. In Texas. Don't mask with Texas. And Peg Fitzpatrick, home of the free New Hampshire.

Live free or die.

Live free or die.

We are live free or die.

Tax free or die.

Love that. I love tax free.

Best part. Yeah.

So.

So this morning's guest is none other than the Julia Cameron. She is making a return appearance. She has a new book out. And this book is primarily concerned with, of course, creativity, because she is the queen of creativity. Is that the right term?

Peg, Queen of Change was the New York Times, but she's also known as the queen of. She just. There's. It's hard to even label how great she is because is amazing. So many people want to know how to write and not to be stressed out about writing. And she is in her 70s maybe, and she is like, since we've talked to her the first time, she's written two more books. So. Yeah, come on. She knows what she's talking about. She knows what she's talking about.

And where's your secret? Wait, I forgot. Oh, my God. So it's about creativity and prayer. The two are kind of connected in her book. And so if you're a Julia Cameron fan, you read the Artist's Way, you definitely need to listen to this episode of the podcast because.

And there's not any woman. There's not many people we've had on twice. So this is like the Select.

Well, we've had three. Jane Goodall, Bob Cialdini, and Julia. Julia Cameron. Now, you could make the case. We had Katie Milkman on twice because she was on the Psychology of Vaccination, you know, where I had six people on it, and she had her own episode. But I mean, Cialdini, Cameron and Goodall. How can you beat that, man?

Yeah, yeah. But she's in a. In a short. A small group. So that's. It's. But it's really, really good. So make sure. If you haven't listened to it yet, make sure you guys go to remarkablepeople.com and also we would love for you guys to join the community. And you can find that at the. This URL right here. Bit ly remarkablepeoplecircle. Make sure you capitalize Remarkable people circle that way. It'll work. But Bit ly remarkablepeoplecircle to join our community. And let's see that we have some questions. We got some people that we would love for the Audience to chime in as well, because I think it's really interesting is. Let's see this first one. The icebreaker is, when you think of creativity, what person comes to mind? Like Julia Cameron. That would be one. But in the audience, when we say creativity, who do you think of? And I've been doing a lot of research lately, and of course, for me, it's Walt Disney. I think how creative he is and the storytelling and all the stuff and what he built. So who do you think of, Peg?

I love that Disney is his handwriting like that always. Every time I see the Disney logo and it's his handwriting, you know, it's not, though. Oh, they faked it.

It faked it. It's not his thing. And so it's been a big thing when people say, hey, look, I've got this memorabilia. I'm selling it on ebay. And it looks like they're fine.

It's not.

They faked it. I'm sorry.

He has a creative genius. Who do I think of overall for creativity? That's really hard. I think of a lot of, like, children's book illustrators. I love children's books. And Eric Carle is someone who I love. I love his. That he created the paper and, you know, like, did the paper cutouts and it was like a whole kind of new way to do children's books. And his. The Eric Carle Museum is not that far from here, and it's so fun to go there to see that. So there's so many.

Is he still alive?

He just passed away, but. But his book, the Hungry Caterpillar, there's a little thing out front. It's like 30 copies a minute or something like that. It's like one of the most read books in the world. I'm like. And it always, like, that's just so cool, you know, that somebody can touch people that way. So I do. I love Julia Cameron's message as well. But just. Just to go a little bit out of our box of what we usually talk about, there's a lot of really great children's book writers and illustrators that are. That touch people.

What about you, guy? Other than Julia Cameron, do you have somebody you think of as we say, creativity?

I would say Elizabeth Holmes, man, the creativity she had in shareholder reports is just amazing. So I am just appalled by that whole situation. I mean, not that she got convicted, I mean that she did it.

Did you watch the documentary that they had about her on hbo?

No.

It was really good.

It was really.

I need to watch that. But also I'm interested to see what the partner's trial is going to look like.

Yeah, yeah. Did you, did you.

I feel like a lot of it because she was a woman and Silicon Valley. So like it's so hard to get funding as a woman. It's really sucks that this happened because it's already so hard for women to get funding and be successful in Silicon Valley. Now she's the gonna be the example and that's sucks.

So back to creativity. Her lawyers were creative.

Agree with that.

Yeah.

But all the dumbass men fell for it. Look at her board of directors. Like Mattis. Right. James Mattis is on the board of that. Like you would think someone who ran the military would do due diligence, you know. Oh, my Lord.

Yeah.

Anyway, so I have another creative person and maybe somebody out there knows him, can connect us because I would just love to have him on this podcast. And it is Jordan Klepper. Oh my God, that guy is funny.

So who is that guy who does.

He's on Trevor Noah show and he does these interviews where he goes around the country and he interviews people out. Vaccination in January 6th and Jordan Klepper. You never heard of Jordan Klepper?

No, I don't watch. I don't watch late night talk shows.

You. Okay? I. In my social media feed, I just posted his YouTube 1920, 21, you know, recap. Oh my God. Guy is good.

Okay, I'll go watch it.

Yeah. So some people I guess know about him in the comments. Yeah, the Elizabeth Holmes was a joke. So people are like, what? That was a joke. Not for creative people. The. The. The one other person I would say just because I is Lin Manuel Miranda. You know, the. He is, I mean, Hamilton and then in the Heights and then the stuff that he's done even in which even connects back to the podcast to. Oh, Peg, now I can't think of it. The musical. Yeah, because he helped. He was in that. Because he was the. The driver was in the. Like the ice cream. Whatever.

Tick Boom, if you guys haven't watched, Tick Tick Boom is fantastic. Lynn directed it, but it was by Jonathan Larson, who wrote Rent, who inspired Lin Manuel Moran.

Yeah. And he's also here.

Jonathan Larson was like revolutionary in Broadway. He just did his own thing. I do love people who push the boundaries on their art. Like Nicole Paymon, who we had last week on the podcast doing contemporary opera. Who even knew that was a thing? I mean, that's amazing.

That's really cool. So we have all sorts of Cool people. So make sure you go to remarkablepeople.com and check all of them out. The other best podcast in the world. I've heard it is. It is. It's very well edited, too.

Those little lapses between words when they're too long.

Oh, this next one's great, man. It's awesome.

You just started when you laughed, guy. Come on.

Yes. Huh?

Now we're getting in the deep laughs.

That's right. So it might be watching. We don't want to make fun of her.

No, she's.

I was butterfly. I was making fun of you.

Yeah.

So this next question, because this goes back to the podcast, this week's podcast with Julie Cameron on again, is that, do you have a morning routine? Because she talks about that and. And you actually had go back and explain because her morning routine has this thing called morning pages, and I know Peg does that as well. So do you have a morning routine? And the funny thing is another episode with BJ Fogg is coming up and there's even more stuff about morning routine. So Kai's got some interesting ones that he does now talk about on that one. But do you have a morning routine? Is there something you do every morning? And then we'll let Peg explain what morning pages are for people who don't know what that is.

So, yeah, that helps with your. So. So Julia Cameron's morning pages, basically, before you do anything else, before you pick up your phone, before you check your email, Instagram, anything else, you can get coffee. She says, if you're a coffee person, and then you write three pages, you don't ever. No one's ever going to see it. It's just free form thoughts. You can make lists. You can like anything through. There's no guidelines or anything for it other than you just sit down and you write stream of consciousness. It just lets you get at your ideas. It helps you, like, if something's bothering you. Sometimes you might, like, write about something or sometimes it differs every day. Sometimes I like, look out my window and I write what, you know, I start out with, like what the weather looks like or something, just to get the thoughts flowing or get writing flowing. But it basically just helps, like, kind of. It's kind of like sweeping the dust out of your brain a little bit and just let, you know, getting your creative brain working. So that's what Julia recommends that you start with. And it really does help every day with just starting with, like a clean slate of ideas and thoughts. And then you could go into whatever projects you need to get into from there.

Yeah.

You know, I. I want people to know that you could look this as incredibly daring or total stupidity and faux pas, but I tried to get a copy of any of Julia Cameron's morning pages to publicize, but then I was pushed back by said it's supposed to be completely private, so we can't get any of her samples.

But I tried answer when you sent the email, I was like, that's going to be a no.

Because I tried.

You know, it would have been close.

To being a journal, though. And if you write things and I always have a problem with a journal because I don't want to write something that someone would read later. Like, say you die and someone reads your journal and you were like mad at one of your kids for something, and then they read that and they're like, that's what my mom thought. Like, and you know, I never want them to have that experience, so I never.

So arguably you're dead. What's the matter?

That's right.

You know, they're gonna remember that you wrote, you know, what a little brat. Or like, whatever. I mean, I've never done it. So I'm just saying, like, if you were mad at someone wrote it. I'll give you an example. Rich's grandma wrote years worth of journals. And now people look at them and they're like, what? There's like a lot of family secrets and stuff in there.

Like, what?

So my wife tell people why you are alive. Do you want them to know that later?

My wife has told me because she journals every day since. I mean, we've been married 25 plus years. And she's got a stack of notebooks. I mean, they're in storage. She writes every day. And she told me to burn them. She just. Don't even look. Just burn them. I'm like, okay.

So that's the thing. Like, she's probably written stuff in there.

Oh, yeah, totally. About me.

Yeah.

He's a jerk.

Yeah.

What did I do? This was a mistake.

See his face anymore?

Yeah.

So I use. I have an app I use called Day One. It's a journaling app. And it's. It has. So no one can get it. They don't have my thumbprint and then it's password protected, so I feel pretty.

God, my. My journal would be so boring. Wake up, take Nate to school, edit podcasts, go surfing, sleep.

I mean, if you're writing three pages. So you would write that and that would take four lines up. And then you'd be like, now what Am I going to write about. Okay, well, I'll talk about what the ocean was like, but you have to, you have to keep going. That's the thing.

It's three pages is a lot.

It's a. It is.

You write three pages longer.

Yeah.

Three pages is a lot of writing.

Yep.

Is it, is it single line or double line?

I mean, this is single line.

So Ben over on, on YouTube, because we're talking about, you know, do you.

Have a morning half by 11? It's like a. I use a smaller, like a moleskin kind of deal.

Yeah. So Ben says this over on YouTube. He goes, I recently began starting my day with taking a shower and then spending 20 minutes in prayer. Having regular dedicated time to ground myself. Like this has revolutionized my life. And in fact, in this podcast episodes, Julia and Guy talk a lot about the connection between spirituality and creativity. And this. I mean, Ben, we'd love to know what you think about that. If you have not listened to that, make sure you go to and do that because they do talk a lot about that and talk about prayer. There's some really great, some discussion in there.

If you're a fan of praying, you will love this episode.

I think every writer who ever had writer's block is pretty. And, and there is something to that, right? Because you're like trying to look, you know, you're trying to look for inspiration. Divine inspiration. Really?

Yeah.

So Guy, I know we're gonna, we'll tease it, but Guy gets very, very transparent in next week's episode on his morning routine. But do you have anything you want to share about other than, you know, I mean, do you have a morning routine other than the boring one that you just mentioned? Do you have like, set one? Like, I have a peanut butter banana sandwich every morning at 5. I mean, what.

Well, I don't know what, what morning routine you're alluding to that is. Be so interesting because, I mean, I.

Think you're talking about guys nighttime routine where you take.

No. Okay, okay. Now my nighttime routine is more interesting. Okay. And this nighttime routine next week, right? Well, it, you know, it started with Catherine Price and then, and then talking to BJ Fogg. He put an even better spin on it. So now. And I do it, I do it every night now. Every night.

It's interesting because when I read the book, I added something to my morning routine, which was that when you get out of bed and put your feet down, you know, you say, this is going to, to be a great day.

Don't. No, no, we Gotta save stuff for next week. Come on.

So, going back to morning pages, I would love to know if anybody listens to the show or watches our live show. Did anybody pick that habit up after our last time when Julia Cameron was on? Or did you read the Artist Way and do that? Because it really is a great part of writing is like being consistent. Not that I can say I write every day or that I'm, you know, a novelist or anything, but, you know, you have to be consistent with it if you're somebody who wants to do it. If you just, you know, it's kind of. It's like part of its button chair. Right. You just got to have the time. And there.

Yeah. Every morning when I'm. My feet hit the floor, I say, I hope that Peg and Jeff have a great day.

I don't know if that's going to help you have a great day. That wasn't supposed to be for you.

If you guys have great days and you're working on the podcast. I'm going to have a great day.

That's right.

There you go.

Yeah, that's good.

Well, you know, my life is very simple. I like things to go. Go into Trello. I like things. We got time. That's all I ask. That's all I. I'm only kidding. But we actually are, I think, as a team, you know, we're getting stuff done. So.

Yeah.

So next question is. Okay, we've talked about, you know, morning routines, morning pages, so. And there's a lot of talk also in this. In this podcast about the pandemic. Like, does it help? Do you think it helped or hindered creativity? Because she thinks things have had to change. And Julia brought this up in some ways. And, you know, you know, guys has a barn. He's out there looking at deer, trying to lick, lick. And, you know, is. I mean, but some people, you know, are stuck. Have been stuck inside so much, you know. Do you think it's helped or hindered people's creativity? Julia said it changes, and it didn't really. She thinks that she. She was like a glass half full kind of person. Like, it just. You have to change your routine and see things around you instead of going out. So what do you think? Do you think it's helped generally for the world, helped or hindered creativity?

I think there's people who have done really great things during the pandemic. You know, people that. They were like, home, they started companies, they wrote books, they did, like, great art. So. So the people who dove into their creativity or tried to learn something new. There's so many people. I saw a guy who decided to learn how to do pottery and just, like, really did. Did a deep dive into it, and his pottery is amazing. So the people that dove into it have done great things. I. If I was, you know, if this was a year ago or a year and a half ago, when we were, you know, deep into the crazy world, I. I was having a hard time, like, just getting. Having to do the creative pieces. So I would have to do things like, you know, take a break, do. Take a class. You know, like, do a class on skillshare, learn a new skill, like, redirect my brain a little bit so I could get back into creativity. Because when the news cycle was really hard and horrible and, you know, it seemed like there is no light at the end of the tunnel, AKA there isn't. But we didn't know that a year and a half ago or two years ago, you know. You know, we would tell ourselves, okay, as soon as the vaccine comes, like, there's all these little deadlines that we would try to reach, but the reality is you. You have to kind of move yourself past it. And something like morning pages is a tool that you can use. You know, whether you're, like, gonna doodle or do something creative or you have to find a way to get to push yourself. So I think the pandemic overwhelmed so many people and all of us, it could every day. But if you push, if you find a creative outlet, it's actually been a great. I hate to say it's been a great experience, but a lot of ways, you know, people have grown. If they. If they took the time to try to do something, you know, guitar or something.

If. If it wasn't for the pandemic. I had this idea when we first started this podcast that every interview would be conducted in person. Okay.

Yep. I remember.

I don't know how I could have had 110 interviews in person. And now it's completely accepted.

You were traveling at the time, so.

Yeah, I know, but, I mean, if you look at the people I've had, Mao had to travel a lot to have this, have the same collection of guests. Oh, my Lord. I'd be all over the place. I just. I'm so glad that, you know, the standard is now that you could record audio remotely and put it on a podcast, because in my mind, that wasn't true prior to the pandemic.

I think people did it both ways prior. I mean, it would get a different experience if you were face to face with all of these people. But I think that it's a great show, even remotely, because you still connect with people.

Right.

It's just how we differently.

It's harder.

Yeah. And something that's not hard is being able to go right here, hold up your phone, and you can go and go right to the podcast. If you're just joining us. You're like, what are they talking about? There is tons of episodes that will help you become more creative just by listening. Like this week's episode with Julia Cameron. If you guys go check that out. We would be. We really appreciate if you leave a rating review as well.

So if you're starting to sound like the My Pillow guy. Yeah.

No, I don't want to be associated. But there are a ton. There's tons of great things. And I do think that one. I think the pandemic caused us, with all the pain and suffering, to be more grateful for what we have. But also, like you both were saying, that it's caused some innovation and growth with people who. Like. I know because the shows that I do and produce that it's a lot easier now that guests. I don't have to do the big whole tech setup for the most part. Pegs Mike is working now. So, I mean, but most. But we used to schedule 22. Yeah, we used to schedule like a day before people coming on my own tech.

She does.

She does really good. But yeah. So I think that there's been.

So we send you everything.

Well, I did have a great yeti. Mike is. It's a pretty good mic. I just. I guess I talked it to death.

I used it for years.

Real podcasters use XLR mics. I'm sorry, but I'm not.

I don't actually podcast well.

Well, real podcast producers use XLR mics.

Okay.

I had another USB's for WIMPS.

I saw this really great example of a creative thing that somebody did that they shared. Oh, I want to say it was in the New York Times. But this guy, his girlfriend really likes to do word games. So he made this really cool program that's a word game and it's like a whole brand new word game. And now he shares it with people and like 300,000 people do it every day. Like, it's just snowballed. It was just a little, like, fun thing he made for her. Like, so creative and so cool.

Yeah. So another. We talked about morning pages, but also I would want to know about how you guys think about what you do when you hit A creative roadblock. Like you mentioned it before, Peg, like, sometimes, you know, your prayer works good. I need the next thing. But what are. What are some things that you do? You know, morning pages help clear out the cobwebs in the morning. But, like, when you hit a creative roadblock, do you listen to music? You know, we've talked before about. Guy likes to. He gets a lot of ideas when he drives really fast with a stick shift. In a German.

In a German car. Yeah. Right. Very specific. That's amazing. Yeah.

But what do you do when you hit a creative roadblock? What are some steps you take?

You think buying a Porsche could be a business expense now? Because that's where I do my creative thinking.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think so. We mentioned it enough times.

There's an IRS auditor out there right now looking up my records.

Yeah. Is that a business expense? Sometimes Just getting more organized. When I'm at the part where I like, I. If I'm at a creative block, I'll work on the organization piece. Like, you know, just the things that have to be done, and then that kind of helps. You know, just getting. You know, if I make a schedule or make a plan or, you know, just break down the pieces that need to be done. Like an outline for something. If I'm writing something, sometimes the. Like an outline or a list can help you figure out. Fill it in later. Yeah.

Lester over here says he takes a plunge in a cold lake. Oh, my gosh. That is. I don't even like getting in the shower and it's cold. But they say it actually does help with depression and a bunch of other stuff. So very interesting.

When I get a creative roadblock, I add lights to behind me in this scene.

Guy with all the insights. Today, every.

Every light you see there represents a roadblock I faced in life.

Very deep.

1,000 points of light.

You can tell my plants. You can see I have plants. The ones on the sides are fake, but the one up there. I have a lot of plants in my office. Sometimes I actually will mist my plants, take care of my plants.

I'm go get my plant.

See what you've done. So I think for me, while he's gone, I will go for a walk. And there's more and more research saying that walking really does help to create a process. Back in the day, you know what they say? I'm going on a constitutional or whatever, where they would go and go for a walk after dinner.

There's lots of famous writers that have used walking, and I used to do that. At this job I had that was really challenging. We would take a break and, like, two other property managers, we would, like, take a walk and just, like, vent, go over the problems, you know, it does help you problem solve. Yeah, it's like, walking is nice.

Didn't. Didn't Jobs do that a lot? He can't hear me, can he?

Nope.

Okay, we'll just keep. So we're. So can you hear us now? Show off your plant. Oh, it's hidden. It's hidden behind me.

Can you see it? Yeah, there.

It's orchid.

Coming too high, huh?

It's all right.

You can't see the flower. It's an orchid, you know?

Yeah. So we were talking about creative roadblocks, how to get away, and mentioned walking. Didn't Steve Jobs do a lot of walking meetings?

Well, yeah, he. He would go for walks around the building. But let me tell you something. When Steve Jobs says, let's go for a walk, I would not view that as good news.

I would be scared. It's like, I'm gonna get fired now.

What's that movie? It's not, is it. It's not Dead Man Walking. What?

What?

The Shawshank Connect. I mean, there was. Yeah, yeah. You go for a walk, it's a bad thing. It's good. Got to be careful whether you're walking on a pier or you're walking on a bridge, man.

You don't want to, like, have a cinder block tied to your leg. Ben says he impose. Imposes a constraint into the process. It forces you to see what you're doing from a different angle. Very interesting. Yeah.

So I don't know, sometimes talking to somebody, too, can help boost your. Like, if you have an idea, you could bounce it off of someone and say, hey, I was thinking of, you know, doing blah, blah, blah. And then the conversation can sometimes spur ideas too.

And I think thinking about right before you go to bed and then going to sleep, because something about that subconscious that. At least I've seen that it works, and then you're like, I. Oh, you wake up with an idea or something, so. And then, of course, you can't write it down. Yeah, well, you can't write down. Cause you don't have your phone next to you. Cause guys moved it to the.

That's right. That's right.

Great writers will always keep notepads near them, though, so they can write down any idea. That's another thing, is any idea that you have, write it down, because you always think you're gonna remember it, and you never do never. Like I've had these great ideas and not written it down. And then later be like, what? And sometimes I found like I just cleaned my office out. I find notepads with really great ideas. I totally forgot. I was like, yeah, that was a good one.

Don't forget you wrote I had the same issue. But I have. There's a new program that I love called Roam Research, which you do that and it's all cross index, just like notion. A lot of people use Notion, but Rome Research is on my phone. It's on a desktop.

R O M E R E R O A M or R O L M Roam.

R O A M Research.

Okay. Yeah.

It's real and everything's cross indexed. So if you have ideas, it's just, it's amazing and it's, it's really, really cool. So let's see. Brett says I walk to get my creative flow going. He's over on LinkedIn. Living on a mountain with trails makes it a big difference. So, yeah, I think your environment does make a big difference when you need to get out and get away and get that creative roadblock gone. The last question we have, because we've kind of talked around it a little bit, but in the podcast, Julia mentions the artist date. So have you taken an artist date and guy explain what that is?

Explain what it is? Yeah, an artist date is where you have some kind of not necessarily big deal thing, but a thing where you kind of treat yourself to a little date. And for, I think for Julia, her artist date was going to the bookstore and playing with a dog or a rabbit or something like that. Right, Peg?

Yeah.

Yeah. So my artist date is driving a German car with a stick shift. I haven't been on a date for years.

Do you ever just go to the beach and walk?

No, if I'm on the beach, I'm surfing.

That's it.

That's it.

You and Beth never just go take a walk at sunset on the beach?

Well, you know, she is such an avid hiker. Her idea of a short walk is 10 mile hike.

Or is she always hiking the mountain? Kind of. She.

She is a power hiker, walker. I mean, it is. You'd never see me again if I went on one of her.

So what about you, Peg? Do you ever go on artist dates?

I wish I did. I mean, I would say probably that we walk our dogs every day. Rich does it in the morning and I haven't been going on the morning ones, but we, in the afternoons we walk the dogs and that's nice because we walk, if you're listening, not on the golf course, but definitely on the golf course because it's nice. It's, you know, it's like right behind our house and you know, it's like woods and Rich saw two foxes this morning, so we're going to have baby foxes in the spring again. I guess it's nice just to get out and then when you're walking like the same time every day, you see, you know, sunsets and what the trees look like in different seasons. So it's nice just to get out and have a little time. I definitely during the pandemic, like, so I don't go that many places still. Even, you know, I'll go out a little bit. But now, you know, I don't know if this going to target count as an artist date. If I.

If you like it. I think if you enjoy stuff, it does. So I walk. I try to walk two miles every day and I think that's my dailies thing. But the I think for me is like, I love. I love road trips. Like if I can drive it in two days, I would rather do that than fly because I mean, there's nothing. I have a Jeep. I love my jeep. I love my little jeep. I love driving around because I can take off the doors in the top and it's like a safe motorcycle.

What happens with the shotgun when you take the doors in the we.

You just put it right behind. I have like a scabbard that I have that I can just whip it out really quick.

I'm just checking.

Yeah, Texas. You have to have that.

That's why I asked originally.

So what did you say?

I said you're from Kansas originally.

Yeah. So we shot things there too. Yeah, yeah. Grew up in Kansas Road. Yeah, exactly. The land of Oz. Those were actually on our. And they spelled it with the A like ah. It was so cheesy. It was on everybody's license plate. But what was I saying? Oh, I love road trips because I think it's. Because I don't have screens. It's forces me not to have screens and I can listen to podcasts and to me that is super, like recharging. I love it. I love the drives I love. So that's. I think what I like.

I like to go antiquing because there's like a little drive involved and then you look at cool stuff and I was, yeah, it's fun. That's a thing we like to do.

Every time I go antiquing with my wife, though, I am literally the only man in the whole place, so really.

Rich goes with me there. Usually guys around.

I don't know.

It's nice, though. That's, like, fun and you see, like, cool things and. Yeah, you know, it's pretty relaxing. It's not like a hustle and bustle of a target. It's more. It's quieter and.

Right. Well, I got a whole barn to fill, so. Yeah.

So I guess. I don't know if this is. So Dave says he's reading. Wise guy. Maybe that's his artist way.

Yeah, Reading. So there you go.

Yeah. So anyway, so do not forget to go listen to this and leave us a rating review@remarkable people.com. because if this is a shorter one that if you haven't listened to a podcast or the Remarkable Podcast is a great one to. To get your feet wet with. If you come across us on socials right now, seeing the live show, this is a great one to dive in because there's such an amazing back catalog that. That you could just scroll down the list. There's people that you may have not heard of before that are really, really super interesting and some that you may have, like Jane Goodall, which is always awesome. So make sure you guys go check that out. Remarkablepeople.com leave us a rating review. That would be awesome. And we always would love to hear who you would like to hear on the podcast and why they're remarkable. And you can join our community over at this Remarkable People circle at Bit Ly. Remarkablepeoplecircle. So we'd love to see you in there. Let us know what you think about the most current episode and ones from the past and ones you might like to see in the future. We'd love to see you over there as well. So final thoughts? Anybody? Everyone?

Well, we should all wish Everybody a great 2022.

This is the first one, right?

So happy New Year and have a great 2022. May all your fantasies and ideas and creativity come true this year.

That's right.

That's a lot.

Yeah.

So maybe if you work really hard, Guy will get up in the morning, put his feet on the ground and say, I hope they have a great day.

We should do that. You know, I listen to. Wait, wait, don't tell me. Right? And they do this contest, and then if the celebrity answers right for you, then they do a voice you can pick anybody on. Wait, wait, don't tell me to do your voicemail recording message. Right. So we could do an equivalent where, I don't know, you got it for somehow you gotta win something or earn it. And then the three one of the three of us can can record for them saying you know I hope that Joe Blow has a great day. That'll be the prize.

Look at them all lining up for it.

Our lines are lighting up so But.

I do this is a great. Before we wrap things up I do want to bring up this comment from Ben. He goes I am very thankful for yalls choices of topics and that your not afraid to tackle very personal subjects. I really appreciate these regular times connect with you Ben.

Thank you.

You make it worth it. So we appreciate you for watching and sharing this out.

Alrighty.

And with that we'll see you guys next week with B.J. fogg. Isn't he. Yeah, I don't know.

That's right.

We're working ahead. It's so, it's so much fun.

So now Dave Evans next.

Dave Evans next week.

Oh right, it's Dave Evans. Oh God. Oh. You're going to hear some Apple stories you never heard before. Because I heard some Apple stories I never heard before. I didn't hear it. You probably didn't hear it. That's right. Dave Evans.

Dave Evans. So check that out at remarkablepeople. Com. We'll see you guys next week. Bye everybody.

Bye.