Remarkable People Behind the Podcast: How to be an ethical shopper

Hello, it's Guy Kawasaki, and. And I am in Watsonville, California. And if you think that I'm kind of blurry and fuzzy, I am. And I cannot for the life of me figure out why. And we've been futzing with this for, I don't know, too long, so I can't. I can't do anything about it. It is what it is today. I don't know what's happening, so. And it's happening for both of my computers in this room, so it's not the computer. So, anyway, be that as it may, we had a really great guest go live this morning. Her name is Maxine Bedat, and it's all about her book called Unraveled. And basically, she is a lawyer turned activist. And what she's doing, or has done is done an analysis of the impact of fashion on the environment, really. And one of the things she did is she traced how jeans are made, starting at the source of the cotton field, all the way to what happens to jeans or clothes at the very end of their life cycle. And this is after, you know, it's been rejected by goodwill. No one will buy it. It's been shipped in a big bag to Africa. And then what happens in Africa? And so I tell you something, I'm not buying another pair of jeans for a long time. So how about you guys? Pagan, Jeff, what do you think?

I love this book. I talked about it a couple times on shows when you weren't on, because I was reading it, and I just think it's so important for everybody to really think about their purchases, what they're buying and how often they're buying. And it's just we were so inundated with commercials and social media that are showing us things that then we want to buy. And then you get the chaser ads for the thing you looked at yesterday, and, wow, you know, if you were a young, impressionable person, it would be even harder to fend it off. I think so.

Or even if you're an old impressionable person.

Right.

Yeah, I was. It was. For me, I was like, oh, you know, I know Peg was really excited about this. And I was like, fashion. But it was. It was because, you know, I'm the height of fashion. But the thing that it was. It's fascinating. I had no idea. And it was. And it ties into, you know, like, I have a younger daughter and, you know, the stuff that she sees all the time. And I just had no idea. And this was just a fascinating episode with things that I just did not know about and opened my eyes about, you know, sustainability and, you know, I don't buy a lot of clothes anyway, but. And Peg and I had a little conversation about this, too. Is like we kind of grew up where we kept stuff like that was the culture. You know, we would wear my parents like, we gotta buy you new shoes again, you know, because, you know, we'd.

Have holes when you grow out of the other one pair.

Right, exactly. And so it's a different mindset. And guy, you. She said it a couple times that people think it's old, the kids think it's old after they've worn it twice.

Two to three times. Several studies have shown that.

Yeah, so go ahead.

Oh, no. She talked about some website that releases several thousand new designs every day.

It's shine or sheen. S H E I N. And the. There's a lot of the fashion influencers like Tiktokers and Instagrammers that want to show all these great outfits. And it's fast fashion. It is absolute worst because, you know, they're just made really cheaply because they don't want to ever repeat their outfits. And I started like a couple years ago repeating outfits because as a female speaker, you know, I didn't want to have my picture from last year be in the same outfit that I had on this year. And then I was like, you know what? That's really stupid. Stupid. I have this dress that I bought that I wore once at this conference, and then it hangs in my closet. That's stupid. I'm wearing it again. And I on purpose wore it again. And I think I wore it three times. The social media marketing world on purpose because I love the dress. It looks really cute. And also, it was a great deal. I found it. I think I found it. I found it in New York City on a clearance rack. But the thing is, like, wearing things once is ridiculous. And men, you could wear the same thing. We'll use Barack Obama is the ultimate example who wore the same navy blue suit every day. And just change the shirt and tie.

I have these black Scotty vests, mock talk turtlenecks. Now I have, I don't know, 15 of them, but I wear that almost for every event. And I don't change. I don't change. I mean, it's. I. It's not. It's not like I'm trying to emulate Steve Jobs with a black mock turtleneck. It's just. A black mock turtleneck is really easy. You don't have to think about it. And it Goes with everything. And you know, it doesn't show when you spill stuff. And you know, it doesn't get.

They're not wrinkly. They're not wrinkly either.

They're not wrinkly.

And you start sweating. You'll be awesome.

Yeah. First of all, I never get nervous. Speaking.

Of course I was, I was joking. If you did. If, in theory, if you did it.

Would I always just wear my T shirts?

I think I did. One time I got really nervous. I didn't sweat, but I just. There's one. For some reason I got nervous. I don't know why. Long a while ago.

So if, if you're like, oh, fashion. And. But I'm telling you guys, if you haven't listened to this podcast, it's amazing. There's so much stuff in there that you go, oh, my gosh, I've kind of almost felt like I've been lied to for so long. You know, there's a section I won't learn. I won't ruin it, but there's a section there where they talk about the companies who always say, like, hey, we. Our clothes are made with recycled bottles and how much of a. That's just a, you know, almost. It's a lie. It's a lie that it's not a big deal. So listen just for that one. And you can find out more about that by just holding up your smartphones and going right here and taking. And just clicking on this QR code. It'll take you right there. We'd love it if you guys would leave us a rating and review. But this is really another one of those really fascinating episodes that if you haven't given it a chance because it's like fashion, you need to, you need to watch it or listen to it because it's really, really, really good.

But we also touch upon things like plastic. Right?

Yeah.

So. Because I, I brought up the question. So when I see that such and such is made out of recycled plastic bottles, isn't that like. I mean, it's better than nothing, but it's. It's kind of total bullshit. I mean, that's the bottom line. And I guess the ultimate way to help the environment and society is not to buy stuff. Like, you know, then you never have to worry about what happens to it. And, you know, like, I think a lot of left coast liberals, Libtards, as we call them, you know, we think we just go buy anything, give it to Goodwill, and we're saving the planet. And yeah, some kid in South Africa or Something is going to be so happy to be wearing our La Costa shirt or something, and odds are it's gonna end up in a dump or in a fire burning. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's. It really. There's so much to learn about it. And it isn't just fashion. It's all of consumerism. And we. Even the companies that make the products, even the fashion industry, like a fashion company, the people in the headquarters have no idea how the products got there. Like, they don't know who made it. They don't know how it got there. They don't. There's so many different things. And the interesting thing is that Maxine really dug into the whole supply chain issue of things, which really is a big deal, especially now with all these shipping issues we're seeing. You know, it used to be we want to just snap and have something, you know, be there the next day. I think in Amazon, in some parts of the country, you can get things the same day. And it's. It's ridiculous. Like, why do we, you know, we've now. I mean, I don't want to just blame Amazon, but I'm going to shout out, Amazon kind of sucks because it's obsessive. Amazon is horrible. I don't know about you guys, but it's like, oh, wait, I need X. And then I'm like, you know, you go on Amazon, remember when they had.

The dash buttons that you could just press a button and it would ship you like toilet paper?

Well, you can do that on your Alexa without even opening your app. Just say, don't say that.

I already have it.

Hey, Alexa, send me cotton L. And then now everybody's gonna get toilet paper.

10,000 people are now getting cottonelle.

That's right. So we know what kind of toilet paper Peg uses.

It's the.

Let's go to our first icebreaker question because this ties right into this episode. Just when was the last time you bought jeans? Probably because everyone's wearing sweatpants now.

For me, it was about six months ago.

So.

Yeah, I'm on a jeans diet. Well, I'm on a closed diet. Well, that's one thing the pandemic has, in a sense, helped because, you know, I don't. You just don't need to buy as many clothes. And can't you tell? I mean, look at me. I'm a fashion goddess. So I got my tie. My tie dye. Well, let me make sure you could see it there. Can you see? It's. It's a Peace Vans shirt.

That's pretty Cool.

Yeah, well, I guess someone could say, well, so, guy, you're advertising that you have an internal combustion engine van that gets 19 miles per gallon, but you're not buying jeans. Also, another thing that I've tried to do with our family is ban plastic bottled water. Because that's just bad all the way around, right? So the water is not as good, and then you have these plastic bottles. And so now I know the ultimate would be just open the tap and drink the water. But we're not there yet. But I have at least I think, got most of our family to drink canned aluminum canned water. So now the problem with that is La Croix. Or was it Lacroix? What did we just say?

It's Lacroix.

So La Croix in. In the Wisconsin wilderness. That's right. Go Wisconsin. So LaCroix is at least in an aluminum can, and aluminum cans are highly recyclable. But a lot of people don't want sparkling water. So I went on, I hate to tell you this, I went on Amazon and I searched for.

It's.

Plain water, and I found this plain water in aluminum cans called liquid death, of all things. Okay? So if you saw the liquid, everybody go Google liquid and say, alexa, show me liquid death. Now 10,000 people are. Anyway, so. So liquid death comes in a can that looks just like what you would think a liquid death can would look like. It comes in a black can or a white with gold trim. And it looks like you're drinking a hardcore beer, but in fact, you're drinking plain water, so it has a double benefit because it's not in a plastic bottle. Yeah, well. And. And you know what? I guess one of the highlights of this branding is that when you're at a party and you're drinking liquid death, most people don't know what it is, so they think you're drinking a beer. So if you're a, you know, 16 year old, hypothetically, and you went to some party and everybody's drinking, you drink your can of liquid death, and everybody says, oh, he's having a beer, he fits in.

I think they would know. I think they would know this water.

I think if you're at the party where everybody's drinking, well, it will just not. That's a whole. That's a whole other show.

So why couldn't you just drink water out? Is the water in California bad that you can't drink it out of the tap with the filter on it or something?

No, I mean, I. I'm just saying that's the next level One step at a time, man.

I'm trying to, I just click. Yeah, I like to refill mine with. But, you know, when I, when I used to go back when we could travel when I was in Germany, you know, it's, it's not as hygienic, which is why they used to. And now I'm sure they probably aren't doing as much. Like, there's like a conundrum of, like, it's more sanitary to use a single use plastic bottle, but for the environment it's very bad. But they didn't like, refill bottles. I would always be like sneaking a refill on my water, like, because they just didn't do it. But that's what I, I, that's what I do at home all the time, is I just refill from my fridge with my little filter.

So we've got a couple, we've got a couple of questions. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

If you really want it to be. If you guys really wanted to be socially responsible, basically we would be well hydrated nudists.

I knew that was gonna come.

I would argue against the nudist piece of it. I'm fine with my clothes. I buy. I, I think I'm better with my clothes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do some. Yeah, that's a law that.

I'm going back to the jean question, though. I haven't bought a new pair of jeans since I read this book, which was months ago. And jeans are something that I wouldn't buy. It's not something I would buy a lot of. But then I looked in my closet and I had more than the average person, and I was like. And part of that is Internet buying, because if you're buying things on the Internet, then you get them and they don't really fit that well. And you're like, well, maybe I'll grow. Maybe, you know, then you're just like, you know, jeans are just, Jeans are very hard to fit when you're buying them online.

So, so here's some great. So we have a question for, I mean, some comments from. Here's from LinkedIn. Neha says, what a great topic of convert discussion. I'm trying to be an ethical shopper. Yeah, this really raised my awareness too. And then Marinella says, two years ago, there is this. That's when her last time she bought jeans. She's watching over on YouTube. She goes, There's a store chain in Montreal called Renaissance, and they sell good used clothes and accessories in their stores. Employees are people who lost their job. She goes, There for all her jeans. That's really cool.

That is cool. I shop secondhand a lot. I love shopping secondhand. I shop on the RealReal and ThredUp a lot. Thredup is like the best for kids to stuff. But yeah.

So this.

In case people want to know, this is the book. If you go to the. If you go to remarkable people.com, you'll get all the details for the episode. But it's unraveled and it's the life and death of a garment. And it's kind of like. Seems like it's focused. It's focused on denim just because she used that for the supply chain with cotton and all of those things. But it just really opens up the whole world of be. How to be a more ethical or, you know, aware consumer and make better choices. You have to do some research on stuff these days.

It would make a great documentary.

Oh, that.

Really?

That would be good. Like a Netflix special or something.

Netflix.

So on our jeans topic, how many pairs of jeans are in your closet? These are great questions by Peg. So you, the audience, let us know. How many pairs of jeans do you have? I. I don't have very many.

Let me count.

I think I have.

I have. I have too many. And then now I'm afraid to get rid of them. So now I'm like, should I make something with them? Because I can sew.

I have four. And then a pair of work jeans that I use out in the field when I go out there.

So you have five total?

Yeah, pretty much. I just don't. I. I seriously, I just rotate. Rotate stuff. I just never been a close. I'm.

I must have 15.

I have too many, too. And I only wear, like, the same ones all the time. The thing is, you. You wear like the same ones all. There's so many. So much about jeans. Like, even, like, you shouldn't wash them that you shouldn't wash them because they're better if you don't wash them at all. There's a lot of stuff about jeans.

See, Alan's only got three.

That's awesome. The fact that Piggy keeps saying she has too many and won't actually name a number.

I didn't count them. It was too many. I was.

It's north of 15.

Maybe. I don't know. Maybe not maybe. But that's too many. Like, even If I have 10, that's too many. I didn't count. I didn't count because I was like, oh, God. The average was like six, was it? Or nine. The average Person had nine pair in their closet and I was like, I'm above that. Then I was like, I'm killing the planet.

You know what, to be fair, you should also divide by your age, right? Because I'm 67 and I have 15 and Jeff is like 20 and he's 5. So let's just see where he is at 67.

Yeah.

Yeah. I really do keep my clothes a very long time, though. And I wear things. I, I sometimes buy things and don't wear, but I try not to do that. I, I wear things a lot. And as I said, I second hand shop, but for jeans, I don't second. I haven't secondhand shop. I was gonna tell a story about brand that you brought up on the show, Guy. Levi's is a cool, cool pants. And obviously their jeans last forever. And if you have them and you want to get rid of them, they'll actually buy them back. You at Levi's, you can bring them into any store, they'll take them back. And they have a second hand on their own website where they resell people's jeans that no longer want them. So they're trying to really, you know, be more socially responsible. Knowing that, knowing Patagonia. Yeah.

So, so like Alan here, I only.

Buy Patagonia going forward.

So Alan always has three pairs and he rotates to the thrift shop. But he, and he said, guy, he says, I'm 69. So he only has three pairs of jeans and he's 69.

So yeah, but he's Canadian.

But so he says, I rotate to the thrift shop. You. If you haven't listened to this one, Alan, make sure that you do. Because I, I was one of those people who thought, yeah, I'm great. I'm taking my old stuff to my kids close to the thrift shop. I'm doing all this stuff. My kids go, and there's a whole, like, she talks about the sorting system that they use. And I had no idea that most of the stuff that goes there doesn't even get put out on the floor. So if you haven't listened to it, make sure that you go to remarkable people.com. and if you haven't, you know, signed up to subscribe to it, do it right there because it's super easy and listen to it and let us know what you think. Alan, leave us a rating and review. So.

And the point isn't to make you. It is. The point isn't to make you feel bad either. The point is to educate you. And that's the whole point of Maxine's book is it's not to be, like, shaming people. But if we don't educate ourselves, we're going to do stupid things like we have in the past that we didn't know were so bad. Like clean out our closet and just get rid of everything without even, you know, thinking about it.

So, and that's one of the things about this episode too, is it wasn't, it didn't come across as. And some of the, you know, the, you know, Activision can come across like, you're bad or you're. You should. And she, she just reported the facts and, and Guy asked great questions and it just was like, it was just eye opening and she wasn't, you know, on her high horse or anything like that. So it was really, really good. It was really good. I say that every time, but it was really good. So here's another question Peg has. Have you researched fashion purchases? Like, do you?

I do now.

I have.

I have for the past couple years. And then I try to buy better things like Eileen Fisher and find sustainable brands that I like to make. And I also repair stuff like, which is not popular at all anymore. And it's funny because one of my mom would come to visit, she'd always be like, do you have socks that need repairing? And I was like, ah, nobody repairs socks anymore. But that's just the thing that people always did. Like, do you. No one does that anymore. We just throw them out. And socks are freaking expensive. But we just. If it gets a hole, you throw it out. But we have to think more sustainably. So I do try to research the brands. It's hard because a lot of brands aren't even posting anything sustainably. And if you can't find anything out about their supply chain, it's a pretty good shot that they're not sustainable. So I'm gonna sneeze.

I'm sorry, what about you? What about you?

Although I'm gonna sneeze. Sorry.

You need a mute button.

Just.

Fine, I do. Don't wait for me. Keep talking.

So, Guy, so do you research your fashion purpose purposes?

Well, no. I mean, I don't make fashion purchases anymore. Like, okay, this is kind of pathetic, but the truth is that I wear. I have, I don't know, I have three kinds of jeans. I have Lucky jeans, Patagonia jeans, and Levi jeans. And so there's that. And I don't buy them. I don't buy anymore. And then I have a bunch of Scotty Vest shirts. These are the black turtleneck shirts. And then I have two REI gray shirts. Because in my previous studio, I put all this black foam, acoustic foam behind me. So when I wore a black mock turtleneck in front of the black acoustic foam, it looked like I was a floating head. So I needed to change the color of my shirt so that people realize I wasn't decapitated. And so I. I have two gray shirts and, like 15 black Scotty vest shirts. Of course, I'm not wearing either of those today. And that's it, so.

And you have some canvas shirts?

Yeah, I have canvas shirts, yes. Yes. But you would not say that I am a clothing influencer, I think.

So. I think the stuff for me has been like, I'll pay more for stuff that lasts longer. You know that. And then stuff like, I've been really on for travel and stuff is merino wool. I just like. I use Allbird shoes because I love their sustainability.

I love Allbird stuff.

And they're very comfortable for one last.

Allbirds. Allbirds is a really. You don't know Allbirds?

All birds.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. San Francisco. They're from. So that's a. That's a startup that makes sustainable shoes. And they have different ones out of trees. I have some tree shoes and some of the.

Yeah, my shoes are from. My shoes are from Australia, actually. I think they're. They're Blundstones. Is that how you pronounce it?

I don't know that brand.

Yeah, I don't know if they're sustainable. I think they're. They're like kittens tears. They're like.

They're made out of little young deer. No bloodstones. I don't know.

It is hard, especially with shoes, to find things that are sustainable. You can find even now, like, leather is not that sustain, is not sustainable. So you can find vegan purses that are vegan leather. But it's. It's.

But isn't that plastic, though? Isn't vegan leather?

It's not. It's not always.

Yeah. What is vegan leather?

It's made out of all different. Did you know that you can make leather out of pineapple?

Leather is. Well, it's the definition of leather.

It's vegan leather.

That's not leather. It's Just say it's ant. It's not. Anyway. Anyway, it's not.

It's not. It's vegan leather. It's different.

Are you guys old enough to remember when Ricardo Montalban used to endorse Core Fam shoes?

Nope. I do Know who he is, though.

Yeah, I do too. He was a con in Star Trek. All right, next question.

Ricardo Montalban wasn't.

He was con. So, yeah.

And fun fact, Sandra Salon's husband was a producer on that.

Was he really? That's cool.

Yes.

So do you rewear garments?

My friend Sandra.

Yeah, she's on Instagram.

You mean as. As opposed to wear it once and.

Throw it away or just being somebody who only will wear things once or twice?

So.

So I would say you guys are definitely rewear.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Everywhere.

I mean, I think it's easier. It is easier for men. I think it is easier for men, Peg. Let's say that, because it is. And there's not as much pressure. I mean, like, like, especially even, like, you know, formal dress guys wear tuxedos. It's the same thing. You guys have to, you know, figure out the whole evening gown, and it's tough. So, I mean, we have it easy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yep. I, like, I just re. Accessorize a lot of stuff. Like, right now, I'm just wearing a black shirt that I wear all the time, but then I put scarf on different earrings and mix. I mix it up that way. But I rewear a lot. I rewear on purpose. But it is hard. Like, I don't know, I used to be more like, look to see the pictures of what I had done, but now I'm just like, I rewear stuff. And celebrities are starting to rewear things a lot, which is great. So it's a horrible thing that started, I think, sorry to say Instagram had a lot to do with that, with the photos and. And even just the paparazzi. I mean, the celebrities started wearing different things because then they would be a picture of them wearing it, and then they would be like, this is. This must be their favorite pair of pants, because when they wore them like three times, and they're probably like, leave me alone. You know, why not everybody wears their pants three times?

So Maureen says this, and this is, I think, what kind of we've talked about. She goes, my grandmother once darned all the holes in the entire laundry baskets of socks, which my mom intended to use as rags. She lived through the Great Depression. It changes your outlook. When one of her daughters needed a dress, she sewed one. Mentally born of frugality. But applying this mindset a day would benefit the planet. That's so true. So that's funny, because we have a rag bag. I mean, do you guys have, like, put your old clothes, like, my socks to a Rag bag. We have. We've had that. My parents had that. My grandparents had it.

Poppy takes them. Poppy takes socks, and then she runs away. So we don't have a rag bag. But I do use stuff for rags after. Like, I will, like, tear stuff up and use it. And I do repair things and I also take things to get them altered. If I, like, lose weight or get something that doesn't fit, then I'll, you know, take it to get it taken in or altered so it does fit.

So you sew, Peg, and so you can repair stuff. Guide this. Do you sew? Do you know how to fix. Like, if you're like. But if you're speaking. If you're speaking somewhere and a button falls off your shirt, can you use the kit that they have in the hotel and fix it? Do you know how to sew, like a button back on?

As I've said twice, I use a black mock turtleneck and they don't have buttons.

You don't.

You used to wear button down shirts.

Yeah, but that was.

I guess my question is, do you know how to repair things?

I. I can't even make my image not be out of focus. How the hell would I know how to throw a button?

Does anybody in your family know how to do it? Let's go that far. Let's broaden it.

My wife does.

Okay.

I just. I think it's a lost art. I think it's starting to become a lost art. It definitely is, like sewing and stuff.

That being said, both of my girls have sewing machines.

That's cool.

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I used to do costumes. I used to do. I don't think you know this guy, but Jeff does know this. I used to do costumes for a theater and dance when my kids were little. I would do all the costumes for shows and stuff. And I did a theater costume class. And Shayla came to the costume class because she wasn't old enough to be at camp yet. So she was like seven. And she designed this whole thing that she wanted and she cut it all out and it was like a T shirt. And she made like, sleeves. And I was like, oh, God, this is never gonna work. She's seven, you know, And I sewed it together for on the machine and she had done it perfectly. Like, she did the sleeves the right length, the they fit out. I don't even know how she did it still to this day, but she made her own pattern. And so, yeah, I think people don't make as many things. I. I made a lot of. I Made quite a few Halloween costumes this year, which I always loved making Halloween costumes for my kids. So, like, it is a lost art.

So I should introduce Shayla to John M. Chu.

She would love to go to the wicked side. I know that for sure.

So a lot of. I mean, like, so my. My mother in law sewed my wife's wedding dress using. I mean, she actually put some stuff from hers and incorporated in there. And I know some other people who've done that before, so. But I think that kind of stuff is being, you know, I've heard of people like, yeah, I'm wearing my mom's wedding dress and I think that's just kind of cool.

That's popular again. People are doing that.

Yeah.

All right. So by the way, I tried to.

Wear my mom's wedding dress. It just wouldn't work.

It just. That would. You should do that for your live shows. That would be great.

Then you'd want my image to be fuzzy.

That's right. So a lot of people are saying they have like somebody in their family repairs stuff. My mom does that. I know. And so Claudia says I can mend, but my mending basket just grows. And I think that's because the quality isn't there like it used to be. I think just don't last.

There's a couple Instagram accounts that I follow that show you how to repair stuff. So sweaters are one thing. When I have a sweater that I love, I just want to keep it forever. And Poppy, my naughty puppy, sometimes bites on stuff and she's put holes in things because she is very naughty. So there's a couple accounts that I found through Eileen Fisher I actually saw where they show you how to like weave the. And they now that it's popular to. To repair things and to make the repair show. So you're not like matching it, you're doing it. So it's like a different color pattern. Yeah, it's a patch, but it's different.

Like a clown outfit.

Yeah, it's not a clown outfit. These are sustainable fashion. It's Eileen.

It's like bragging, like, look, I fixed it. You guys all stink anyway. That's. I'll have to go. I don't know.

It's kind of like the Japanese art of repairing things with gold, because when it's broken, you can repair it. And it's even better.

Apple should do that for their phones. So.

I don't repair anything with gold.

It's. There's a word for it.

Yeah, there's a Japanese word. For everything, duct tape.

But this there, it's like the art of repairing something. They use gold paint to show the crack instead of covering it.

So guy, you mentioned Patagonia before. What other sustainable brands do you support? Like I like Allbirds. That's one of my big ones that I really, really like. Any other good brands that you like to support?

I like Eileen Fisher and I also, I like Stella McCartney but I haven't really bought too much of hers because hers is expense. It's even more expensive than Eileen Fisher. I mean you are definitely making investment when you, when you're buying from a sustainable brand because every person in the supply chain is being paid fairly. So you're not getting a shirt for $5. So other sustainable brands. There are, well, guys at Patagonia.

I drink Lacroix all the time.

I don't, I don't think they're a sustainable company though. There's a chocolate company called Voskas that I love. It's V. G S and they are female owned and everything about their process is like sustainable. And the chocolate is so good. And I don't even like chocolate at all. And this chocolate is like. And their flavors are like chocolate with bacon or sea salt or like they're so good.

Bacon sustainable.

I recently got two iMacs. I have two iMacs in my office. One is for basically email and the other one is just for this. So I have this total things. I could just press one button and be up and running, albeit out of focus. And the box that an imac comes in today, it. I mean some people will just be so blown away by just the beauty and the quality of the box. But I was actually kind of disgusted. It was. There's so much cardboard. There's so much. It's so much effort and work went into that imac box that I basically put into recycling. And I don't even know if it's going to be recycled. But if you buy an imac, you will be shocked at the quality of the box.

That's a bummer because it used to be just like the cool molded recyclable cardboard without a lot of. I mean each piece has plastic on it to keep it pristine.

Yeah, no, this box is. I mean it is. What's the. It is the freaking Porsche of boxes. I mean you, you like don't even want to throw it away. So I bet it cost 75 bucks to make that box. It is amazing.

But that's part of the apple thing. You get the product and it's like.

When you open it, you can't. It's like, slow open.

Yeah. Anticipation, right?

Yeah, yeah. But I mean. Okay, I understand that. But, you know, once you put the imac, what do you do with the box afterwards? It's nothing.

It's just I keep so many.

I have. I have like, a watch box. I got my iPad. I've got a bunch of them.

Really?

Yeah. Well, because if I want to sell.

Them, why do you keep them?

Because I'll sell them and I'll give them and I'll package them up and take them. Or I'm always paranoid that I need to send it back.

I had to return one of my iPhones one time for something, and I had the box and it was in the thing and the guy was like, oh, my God, this is like brand new. It was like three years old. Not a scratch. Like, everything was pristine. I don't know why I keep them. Rich is always like, get rid of them.

But, yeah, so NIHA says, agree. It's an art. Apple makes you feel good about your purchase. So, yeah. So here's a question, because you can do this now with electronics, and this is another great question from Peg, is what do you. What's your plan when you're done with a garment?

Figure out, so what is the plan? What do you do with tech when you're done with it? I mean, the thing is, we can't just throw things in the trash knowing what we do. And you will if you read this book and listen to this podcast, which I really hope you will, because it's one of my favorites. You know, we have to think about. And actually what Guy and Maxine talk about is making the choice before you make the purchase. So hopefully you're getting things that you're going to use for years and years, but eventually most things get to the point where you're going to have to do something with it. And when I'm done with a garment. So I had. Guy will not believe this, but I had a lot of purses. So I had. I did a garage sale over the weekend, over the summer, and I actually sold quite a few. And for. I could have taken to a consignment and sold them for more, but I was just like, I need to. I have some that I'm just not using. So I. I got rid of a bunch, but I sold them. And then I gave the money to my daughter because she.

When you Peg, if you were to sell all your purses, you would double the GNP of New Hampshire.

I know it's sad, but it's true. I try to buy. I buy all my.

A lot of cows died for you.

Are they all anti. Are they all vegan leather?

Not all of them, but some of them are. Some of them are vegan leather. I first found that in Europe.

They're all made out of tofu.

That's like vegan bacon. It's not the same.

You get them from the real. Real. I try to get secondhand or sometimes thredup.

So that's a good. Another question is, do you shop? Oh, do you shop secondhand? You know, this is funny when you said this. My kids love going to thrift stores. They're in college, so they have no money.

Mine too. Yeah.

But they find, like, they love the retro stuff.

Yeah, it's. It's really back with a. With a Gen Z. And the younger millennials, they do love secondhand, which is great.

And I don't know if it's because they're environmentally conscious or they just like the cool old stuff. I think it's probably.

They want to make fun of people on Tick Tock.

Probably. Probably.

But, you know, when I was a kid, when I was a kid, we, like, fantasize about buying, I don't know, Gucci and Dior and Louis Vuitton and La Costa and, you know, all that kind of stuff. And my kids do not care. They just go to Goodwill or Target. They don't care at all.

Which is interesting because in so many ways, like this generation, you know, with Instagram, they're saying that they're, you know, disposable things. So maybe there's different parts in their generations where some of them are really consuming a lot. And then there's some that are just, like, don't need labels. I think them. I think when you get past them, like younger millennials and Gen Z, they are not into the logos as much, but Boomers and Gen X for sure.

It was. There was Lululemon, like Guess jeans when you were in high school. Peg was Guess jeans. The big thing was that no Calvin Klein's okay.

And I did not ever have a pair because I couldn't afford. They were like $50 that I made a dollar an hour babysitting.

Yeah, it's a little hard to buy $50 underwear. So by the way.

Something got between you and your Calvins.

Yeah. Too expensive.

So you had to be there.

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Are we doing a show next week or not?

I don't, I can't remember what we're doing. But by the way, I think a great question for you guys. We have Community as well.

What a great producer.

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So before we end this, I gotta test one thing. Okay, so I have a mic kill switch. So now I'm going to kill my mic and I want you to tell me if you hear a click. Okay? So I'm gonna go three, two, one. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna kill my mic. Okay. Three, two, one.

No click.

I heard a click.

Jeff heard a click and I didn't.

Bullshit, Bullshit.

You heard a. Do it one more time. Do it one more time.

Yeah.

Okay. I didn't hear it.

I didn't hear it.

I should fake them out, tell them I didn't do it. Haha.

Yeah, I didn't hear it that time. I thought I heard one the first time. I really did.

But that works, right? So that's good. So when Peg has to sneeze, you just hold this button down and it kills the mic.

I should, I should.

It wouldn't help pay.

Oh, I do have a. I do have a mute button. I could have just hit the little mute right there, but instead I was gonna.

Well, what. What's the mute button on?

It's a. It's an ecamm.

Yeah, there's one in ecamm, but I just didn't see.

I've never used it on eCamm.

Yeah, yeah. You know, the reason why I have a physical button is because I don't want to break eye contact. So Right now I can.

I heard.

And now I'm back. And you know, I.

That time there was a big. But there was a big click that time. Yeah, there was.

Okay, one second.

It goes.

How about now? Did you hear that?

It's only when you're talking, the click. If you. If you do it when you're not talking, I think it's fine. But if you do it when you're talking, there is audio.

Okay. So let's try this again. Okay, I'm not talking. All right. Nope. And now I'm back.

Yeah, but if you're talking, it does you.

There may be something when you turn it back on. I don't know. We'll just have to see. We don't have to let these people watch us test the click.

Hi, everybody.

What did you guys? Did you see? Click. This is. This is our world. Remarkablepeople.com. but make sure you guys check out this podcast.

This is the kind of attention to detail we have. It's not some shit shitty, you know, podcast where you just turn on the record button and you go, man, we're a perfectionist.

And this podcast is sustainable. So make sure that you, you know, it is. Yeah. No leather was harmed in the recording of this podcast.

And help us out by recycling it and sharing it with your friends.

That's right. Don't let it go to waste because we.

We use vegan XLR cables.

Right.

I'm not sure about that.

So make sure that you guys go check this out. Seriously, it's. It's a fascinating episode. There's a lot of things that we just touched on today that that guy and Maxine go in detail about, and things like the. The plastic bottles. And when people, when they say that, you know, we're using recycling stuff, you know, we're doing all the work, not the company. Yeah. So go listen to it. Let us know what you think. Leave us a rating and review at remarkable people.com. because it really is a fascinating one. Okay.

Yeah, I gotta go.

Okay.

Okay.

Thanks for watching, everybody, but I gotta go.

Bye, everybody. See you next time. Bye.