Remarkable People Behind the Podcast - How to Be a Long-Term Thinker

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Good morning. Good morning. It's the Remarkable People podcast team. I'm Guy Kawasaki. I am in Watsonville, California, and I'd like to welcome you to our weekly live show announcing the latest episode of Remarkable People. And today it is Dori Clark, who is a productivity. And how would you describe it? Productivity expert.

Strategy.

She's just an overachiever. Strategy. Yeah, she's such an overachiever. Didn't she start college at like 12 or something? It was some amazing number, I would say.

Communications marketing strategy.

Kick in the ass. She is a kick in the ass woman, I have to say.

She. I mean, she's a guy. Peg and I were trying to figure out. She's been around for a long time, like in our circles with social media stuff. She spoke at Social Media Marketing World when we were there.

Oh, yeah.

So, yeah, she's. But how many books does she have? Like three or four, isn't it?

Yeah, I think three, maybe four. I think this is the third book.

Yeah, this was a great episode. So if you guys haven't checked it out, make sure you guys go to remarkable people.com. dori's episode just dropped today. It's really good. It's about. We're gonna talk about today creating a long term strategy. So I'm gonna pull up our icebreaking question here. So do you have a long term strategy? Guy, do you have a long term. Because you talked about this at the podcast. But it was.

My long term strategy is to listen to my wife and Peg.

What?

You have short term strategy?

Same thing.

My short term, long term and medium term strategy.

Yes. Your strategy is a long board strategy. Are you on a short board or a long board?

Well, surfboard.

Yeah, yeah, surfboard.

Oh, no, no. Yeah, you did. I'm. I'm amazed someone from Key New Hampshire can make a surfboard analogy. I am on a long board. The older you get, the longer your board and roug. Roughly speaking, so.

Roughly speaking, strategy.

I thought you meant B O R.

E D. No, that was a surf joke.

Very good. Very good. For someone who's never.

Humor is gone.

So I'm surprised you don't have any surfboards in your background. So you got a new background that we're showing off today.

I can fix that here.

So as he's going to go fix his background. Do you have a long term strategy? In the, in the comments here, we'd love to know if you have one or not. It's nothing. So she's got a long.

How long is long term plan? I Usually have like a one year plan.

Yeah.

Going with social media for real. You can't go too long because things always. But I try to have like goals for the next year. I would say I used to have more goals for like five year goals, but I think I reached a lot of them.

Right. Are you happy now?

Yeah. So let me go full screen on this. So look at that. That looks nice. And because when you go full screen.

It'S in the wrong place.

I know, but so, because Dirk was asking, you know, was just about to say where are those longboards? So there you go. Just for Dirk.

We actually, actually this is the Pearson Arrow short board. It's only about 5 foot 5 or something. If I use a board like this, I would never ever catch a wave. I have boards that are 12ft long, more than twice the length of this board.

So you didn't really answer that. You said you don't. So you don't have any sort of long term strategy guy at all?

I really don't. I mean, maybe I should listen to Dory.

I think if there's a book that, if you're working on a book, you have a strategy for like a book puts you on a schedule. Like you have to like once you hook up with a publisher, then it's. Then you have dates and you have to meet those dates and that gives you a strategy. And then you have the launch and then you're into the, you know, sprint every day marathon. So book writing is a. Creates a strategy for you.

So does podcasting. I mean, podcasting, you know, like I have to spend a couple hours prepping and then I have to do the interview.

Right.

And then I have to edit and then Jeff has to undo my edits and put the two tracks back together again. And then, you know, you can, I mean, sound design.

Yeah. And our long term strategy is that is to have in. Know more than one in the can. That's Peg and I strategy.

Yes, it is.

Don't we have about three right now?

We're getting close. Yeah.

Not completed, but getting there. But see, the thing is, one just came out today, so now it doesn't count anymore.

Right.

We should have, we should have this on Tuesdays.

But here's the thing. Let's look at our long term strategy. Since we've started the podcast, we have had two years. Every single Wednesday on the dot. Our show is live. So we do reach our goal.

Yeah, yeah, we do so. And I know and this month is all really strong female driven episodes. So it's Really a great month this month.

Maybe we should rename it to remarkable women.

Well, every once in a while we could have a dude.

Yeah, once in a while. But so. So Pegs was saying she has kind of a one year strategy. You know I have like kind of. I don't know if it would be a strategy but a long. There is long term things I would like to do but I can't. I mean it like you're saying Peg, it changes so much. It's hard to like say like for social media what you're going to do.

Right.

You know, next year the technology changes.

I'm gonna go all in on Google and Google plus is going to be my life and it's going to disappear. So that was great.

I'm gonna write a book about it.

Oh, oh, oh.

I know it hurts.

I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding. Stop the, staunch the bleeding. Get some super glue.

Google plus.

But see that's where I met Peg and that led to this thing. And so I mean I'm. I'm thankful for Google. So it was. It's all good. So our second. Oh by the way, before we get too deep in the weeds here, make sure you guys go check out the community over at Circle. You can find that at Bit Ly remarkablepeople Circle. Those are all cap. You know you want to have the capitalized there. It needs to have the. Doesn't have to have the correct one Peg. The correct capital.

So freaking stupid. That is so stupid. I cannot even.

But anyway, our community isn't stupid. We would love to see you guys there. Make sure you guys go to Bit Ly Remarkable people circle and check that out as well. So anyway, I want to say that so our first.

Any chance. Yeah, by any chance did you guys check to see if bitly.com RPC is available?

It's not going to be now. Everyone's going to go.

No. So yeah, I could but not right now. I'm busy.

So I'll go, I'll do it. Take me off camera. I'll do it.

No, no, we didn't even see it.

I'll look it up later. The thing about that is if people want to do it later because they're watching us, they're not going to remember just rbc.

Well, they're not going to remember to title Cap Remarkable people community either.

Well, people seem to be finding it.

So we have a great question over. Make sure you guys join our circle. By the way we have discussions like this but we have a great question over on YouTube. Ben says the key variable in executing a long term strategy is stability, but life is never truly stable. So what advice do you have on maintaining adapt. Adaptability. I can't even say it within the context of long term goals.

Guy, what say that is a great question, especially with the pandemic, because I think everyone's. Everyone's long term plans just got a wrench thrown in them. Whether it was people retired because they were like, I'm done with this and I got money in the bank, I'm peace out. And then there's other people who retired. He came back to Jobs. And so a lot of people's strategies have changed. I think the thing is you have to be flexible in your plans and not be too hard on yourself if it doesn't go exactly the way you think and pivot while it's the wheel still turning. What do you think?

Yeah, well, I think Dori's point was that in a sense, anything worth doing is worth doing and trying. For a long time she espoused the concept of not giving up. And I think she said that people give up too early, not give up too late.

Right, Right.

Yeah.

Most people quit before the finish line.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, imagine if I had stuck it out at Apple. Shit, man, I would be freaking gazillionaire.

Right.

I would have my people on my podcast, not me.

So to Ben's question, I think it does take that flexibility and, and knowing yourself, you know, well enough that you. I think it's a lot of it is self realization of like, what is going to fit, you know, how can you still, you know, make money if things change? You know, the people. There's some really great examples of people who pivoted during the pandemic. I mean, businesses, stuff like that. Who, you know. Yeah, yeah.

It'll be interesting to see the people who have been in the great resignation, whether they regret this. Who knows? You know, so many people have been quitting their jobs, you know, did. Are they gonna do well? Would they do that? I don't know.

Yeah.

No. You know, I keep hearing about the great resignation, but I don't know anybody who's resigned, do you?

No, I think they're all younger. I don't know. I don't either.

But yeah, well, they were resigning once a year already before the pandemic. So what's the big deal?

Now they're doing it quarterly. I don't know. I think, seriously, I know a lot of young people's resumes, it's like they just get nine Months to a year and they're switching jobs again. It's totally different now.

Yeah, this is.

I would say that's all contrary to Dory's advice.

Yep. It takes a year to learn a job. If you start a job and there's a lot of stuff going on, it can take a good year to learn the culture, the. All the systems, all the stuff, and then you're going to leave and go somewhere else. You're going to start from scratch again.

Yeah, I know.

For slightly more money.

Right.

But after tax is no more money.

I think it would be stressful.

Yeah. I, I don't. I don't think I could work for anybody other than Guy again. So this is a. This is a. This is a great question because. This is a great question because you guys talked about this and your different philosophies on this, which I think was really fascinating. It says, how do you. Oh, yeah, that was it. How do you say no to requests like. Because you. You in the. And so if you haven't checked out the podcast, it's really good because they talked about this at length. You know, you kind of say yes to. You were saying that you like to say yes to everything. That's been your philosophy for a long time.

I know I've changed after this episode.

So don't ask for anything.

Yeah, yeah, no, I. So this is someplace where we did differ, where she says, you should really be selective and strategic about your choices and all that. Life is short. You know, time is limited, resources, attention. She also espoused the theory of, you know, think of the true total cost, where somebody says, oh, you know, make a speech for my company in the Bahama Bahamas. You're thinking, oh, it's great to go to the Bahamas. But then really getting to the Bahamas from the west coast probably takes two days to get there. Two days back. It's, you know, now we're at four days. One day. There is five days. So this one hour speech in the Bahamas seems like fun, is five days. And, you know, that's. That's a big difference. And so she said, consider the total cost and also the opportunity cost. What could you have been doing for those five days if you were not, you know, waiting in the Atlanta airport for half a day watching people fight? So that's a lot of. I, I, on the other hand, have kind of built my life saying yes to people and sorting it out later. And I have to tell you, saying yes to a lot of things have led to a lot of opportunity.

Which is our Next question.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the answer to that necessarily.

So what about you, Peg? How do you say. Because how do you. The question was like, how do you say no to somebody? And, you know, let's see.

Andre says, mine is more similar to Dory's, where I say no to something. She said to say no quickly. Like, if you get something and you know you're gonna say no, just send an answer and leave it and close it. Thank you so much for thinking of me. This isn't something that I can do right now. I, you know, good luck with your event. And that's sort of what I. That's sort of how I word things. And I always close it, like, good luck, you know.

Right.

I get. Or I get people that ask me, you know, they want to hire me to do social media, which it clearly doesn't say that I'm looking for social media, anything. On my website, it says, like, I'm not accepting clients. I'm not. You know, I try to be clear to save that. People sending me an email then, because then they'll respond and say, well, can you refer me to somebody? Can you introduce me to a few people? It's like, that would take. I don't know you, and that would take, you know, like, it's not that you don't want to help everybody, but you have to choose the people that you can help and the things that you just can't do. You just need to, like, make it clear and not open the conversation.

You know, My. My. When I say no and someone says, well, can you refer me to another venture capitalist or potential investor? I don't answer that. I feel like I've done my moral obligation. You asked me something, I responded. Now you're asking me to, well, do you know anybody else? Yeah. So, like, I'm going to introduce you to my best friend, the venture capitalist, having had one email with you, because I know the way your email to that person will be. Guy Kawasaki really loves our idea and recommended I contact you, which is total, unequivocal bullshit. I don't even know who you are. I would also say, you know, Peg said that she responds with the, this isn't something I can do right now. Dory, I think, addressed this and said, don't say something like that, because then the person might come back and say, well, okay, so it's not possible right now, but how about if I contact you again next year for the same conference that I want you to come to speak for free in the Bahamas? So she said, just close the door quick and hard. Yeah.

And I don't respond and don't respond after that. I mean, some of them, you don't even need to respond, really. Because if it says on my website, like, I'm not accepting clients, I really don't even feel like I need to respond to that person. Because it's not like I have a price list. I'm not like, hey, contact me for a free consulting call. Like, none of that. None of that exists.

Do you think. You think it's reasonable to assume that they read that on your website?

Yes, because it's right above. It's right above the contact form.

Yeah, I. So I know. I just don't think, because I get. I get podcast pitches all the time, and I'm like, there's no way we.

Would fit the guest post one. They don't read or they don't care. But I have had people send me. There's very few people that have gotten through the email anyway. 1. 1 was poo Pourri. They sent me a great email. They're like, well, you don't work with clients, and you're not looking for anything. But we're. We are a good brand, and we want you to make us better. Like, that was, like, this really great email, and they were really great to work with. So I have made exceptions. But that. It's like a really. It has to be a good amount of money and something that I feel like, too.

So, yeah, I mean, you know, it. It is a lot like, you know, mining. I mean, you. You got to process two tons of dirt to get one carat of diamonds. But every once in a while, you know, Peg, I dare say that if. If the CMO of Nike, out of the blue, wrote to you and said, we're considering, blah, blah, blah, would you help us? You know, blah, blah, blah, you would not be sending a message to say, I'm not accepting clients right now, right?

It depends. It depends. Like, what if. What if we were working on a book launch? I 100 would say no if I was right, finishing up my book, Even.

If it's the CMO of Nike.

Yep.

I'm the freaking author, and I would stop to help the CMO of Nike.

So Nike, if you're looking for marketing, right, you can go to Guy, but if it's something I have to do, then I'll still say no. No, it depends.

What if it's Michelle Obama saying, I want to be on your podcast? Oh, sorry, I'm full for the year. Michelle Next year.

Nope. Michelle Obama's 100. Yes, Michelle, we know you've been waiting to come on the podcast and we have your spot open whenever.

We'll bump in anyway.

Yeah, no, I mean, there's just sometimes.

Stacy Abrams. Those are the only two.

Sometimes you make exceptions, but sometimes you just literally can't. I mean, if you have other stuff going on and then sometimes it's last minute stuff, which is always like, you think that it's going to be okay. Like, if it's like, oh, we just need this quick, quick campaign with this quick turnaround and then those are the people who end up sending you 58 emails in three days. And you're like, this cost, the cost for that was like, not worth it.

Yeah, yeah.

I think the longer you've been around the block, you can see those things. But so I've learned.

Turned into a bit.

It did. But, but the saying no thing is hard because, like, I think people do want to say yes. Saying no is very hard. It easier to say yes. So it is a skill to learn. I think over time you learn it. And then once you write a couple phrases that look good, save them in your Gmail, like make a little response. So you can just say, I appreciate your offer, but no can do.

I, I have a, I have a person who helps me with my email and so I, I just give her a one word answer. She takes it from there and crafts a really beautiful negative response. That's my secret.

That's good.

So, and by the way, we did that because you were overwhelmed with email. And I was like, you need to find someone to do your email again and just not be in there. You had to separate yourself a little bit and I gotta know your strengths and weaknesses.

So he started to say, but here, the flip of the question, which guy pushed back with, on the, on the podcast, which you can go find@remarkable people.com, is that, you know, have you said yes? And it turned out well. So for me, I, you know, about two years ago, Peg came with me and goes, hey, would you like to do a podcast? And that turned out okay. So, you know, you got to learn, like you said, Peg, when to say yes, when to say no. I can say nah, I don't have any time. But I, this was a good idea. So, so how about you, Peg? When have you said yes? And it turned out well.

Well, I did give that one example where I said yes and it was, you know, it depends on what I say. Yes. Like right before this, I did a thing for The, My college, they wanted me to like, do a little talk for. They're advising people that are seniors. You know, that that's a yes for me because I love helping college students. And when classes are reading the Art of Social media and they tweet about it, I always respond and I follow them. And I think picking where you can help people is really nice. You know, it's not like you, but it's nice.

We helped an unknown startup in Sydney seven years ago that turned out okay.

We did. We're gonna have to print out the email. We have to print. I'm. A little email that I sent you guys about canvas.

I'm gonna frame that frick. They're gonna put that. I think I engrave that on my gravestone.

So, Guy, here's a great question because, you know, you said you like to say yes a lot. So Judith over on LinkedIn says saying no to the answer, not the person. It's hard to say no. She needs practice. So you defaulted. So when you, when you kind of said, I'm going to say yes to a lot of things, was that strategic or is that more of just your character and that's how you wanted to live your life, or was it really strategic?

No, nothing in my life is strategic. That was just how I live my life. That's just my attitude. That's my attitude towards life.

But that's.

People are.

It makes it hard though, because you're a nice person and a good person and it feels good to say yes and it makes you feel bad to say no.

Right. But it's what Judith is saying.

Yeah, it's not bad.

That's why, that's why I have Madison say no.

Right. But if you're in a position where you have to, you just kind of, you have to choose that, like different parts of your career. There's more. Yes. When I was just starting, I would have said more yeses.

But back to your point though, is you, as you learn, as you go go forward, that you know when somebody is just trying to take your time or for free, or pick your brain for free. And so you learn where you like to say yes to. I think is what I think some of the point is, is you kind of figure out where you.

Well, the emails that start off, dear Robert, I love your book Rich Poor Dad. You know, those just.

Yes, yes.

Those don't get a yes.

So we know the answer for this next one from Guy. But in your audience, I would love to know, do you have a five year plan? Because Dory talked about she had some really ambitious goals that she. She was very transparent.

And I won't.

I won't do the spoiler. Yeah, it's so.

Well, 20 year plan.

That was.

I mean, that's 20.

But she. The cool thing was she goes, I have no idea how I'm going to do it. I have some ideas of maybe ways to do it, but I don't have an. She doesn't have, like, step by step process. But it's a goal for her in five years to do that. So I thought that was really fascinating and transparent and encouraging, I guess.

Listen, the thing is, with a lot of plans, you don't know how you're going to get there, but you have the five years to figure it out. Like.

Yeah.

Manifesting like the. We're getting up to New Year's and. And creating like a vision board for the year is like a really cool thing to do. And just come, like, ideas that you might want to do. I had one. It's not in my office right now. I don't know where I put it. I may have gotten rid of it, but I had a vision board that I did a few years ago, and I had on it the Eiffel Tower. I had on it a Macintosh computer because I really wanted one. And I didn't have one. Like, I had things on there that I was gonna work towards. Like, I wanted my desk to look like X and my job would be X. And like, I had things.

When was this.

This was like six years ago. I re. I actually reached everything.

You didn't have a Macintosh.

Maybe it was eight years ago. It was a while ago. It was before I had a Mac, because I. It was before I had.

Really?

Yeah. And then I actually did get everything on my vision board. I went to Paris. I got my Macintosh, probably. I went to Paris because I got my Macintosh.

I've had a Macintosh longer than you've been alive, Peggy.

Maybe I did. I did have the old. Remember the little case one that was the different color?

I had that one.

Yeah.

Elementary school. That was my computer. Oh.

It had the Puck mouse. The little round mouses.

Yeah, yeah, the round one. Yeah.

It was a cool design. And then the next one we had. The next one we had was that one that had the base and then they had the monitor that kind of moved around. You remember that one? It was like a round base.

Round base.

Like a.

All cut in half.

Yeah. And it was white. And then it had like a. It was a cool computer. So I. I did have some before I had. You know, the were like family ones or work one.

You know, working in the Macintosh division, I got a Macintosh that was signed on the inside, and then on the back there was a plaque, you know, two Guy Kawasaki, thank you for your efforts. Wow. For the freaking life of me, I don't know where that Macintosh is. I mean, literally. Literally, that Macintosh could be in the first little apartment I owned in Palo Alto. It could be in the loft. I mean, in the attic. We forgot to. We forgot to take that. And some days I think I'll just go over there, knock on the door and say, can I just go into your attic and see if my Macintosh is there from 25 years ago?

But honestly, I don't want to be arrested there. You should. They. Yeah, you should. Here's the thing.

It should be in the Smithsonian.

That signed. No, there's one in the computer museum. That's in Palo Alto. There's one that you signed and Steve Jobs signed, like, a bunch of people. I saw it just recently.

Really? That I signed because I. My signature is not on the inside of that first Mac.

I was.

You know, it's not after that. It had your signature because somebody took a picture of it at the museum. And I retweeted it from your account.

So Susan here says that she's an original Mac owner. This. That assigned. A friend was on the Mac team. So that's cool.

Who. What's the friend? I don't ask her for her friend's name.

You can ask her if she's watching right now. So, Susan, if you have. If you know your friend, put it. Drop it in the comments.

She's the one that's making tacos every time we have this.

No, I don't think so.

Who's the one who makes tacos all the time?

So here's. So Ben's got a great point here from the YouTube guy. Says you say nothing in your life is strategic, yet you're an author and a podcaster. Maybe your strategic goal is just more abstract than something like build a business. It's empower people. Ooh, that's a good one, Ben.

Ooh, okay. I'm strategic. My goal is to empower people. That's. You could make that case. I just never think of it as a strategy because it seems like a.

Strategy motto slash, man.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

I guess she was on the Mac BASIC team. Don Deniman.

Denman. Yeah, Don Denman. He wrote Mac basic. That's right.

So very cool.

Very cool.

And hers she has hers.

So here's a great question. So somebody ask her.

My name's on the back.

Maybe it's the same one. This is a great question. I'm here to learn how to be a long term thinker without suffering from progress.

Parallel.

Yeah. So how paralysis. So how do you, how do you do that? How do you know? You know, you've said before that you would, you would out hustle everybody is what you have said before on the show. So is that the way to be a long term thinker is, you know, to not, you know, kind of get stuck on vapor lock is just to move and out hustle everybody?

Well, I think is a way, and I think for sure he should listen to this episode because Dory definitely addresses that issue. Yeah.

And Dory's book is, you know, the whole topic is the long getting in it for the long term strategy. So she might be somebody that you might want to read, but it definitely listens to the podcast. I think you have to.

I mean, the jit good. I mean the gist of the. The whole episode is like, you know, people give up too fast. They're too impatient or whatever.

Yeah. I think they stop before the finish line. So here's the question. I would love to know this from our audience. And by the way we're talking, if you're just joining us, we were talking all about Dory Clark's episode@remarkablepeople.com so you guys can make sure you go there. And we actually have an easy way to do that. You can just hold up your smart device and you can go right there by this QR code. We'd love it if you guys would leave a rating and review because that really helps us get the word out to other people.

So we, you know, remember that guy sent us a QR code that took you to multiple places? You know, remember that somebody sent us a QR code and it took us to the review, to the community, to the podcast. So that one QR code does it all. Remember we got some. Somebody sent it, made that for us and sent it to us.

I don't think I saw that.

I'd be interested.

I know I sent you Peg because, Peg, you reacted to it.

Okay.

Now magic QR code from a company. And that's okay.

So, yeah, I'm sorry.

Email should be easy to find.

Carol wanted this up longer because. But I wanted to pull because. Yeah. So there you go. So there you guys go to go and leave a rating review. We really would appreciate that because it really does Help it, help the show out. So yeah, sorry, Carol, I pulled it down because we started talking again. So there it is. You can also go to remarkable people.com and find out all the stuff you need to. Dirk has a great question, so I want to pull this up and get your take on it. Guy. He says, so talking a five year plan, even though I'm involved in a digital, as an agency owner, I have a large number of passion projects. Continue to invent new ideas. Is it better to niche down in your opinion or continue to explore?

Wow, I don't know how anybody can answer that for you because niching down implies focus and grinding it out and you know, blah, blah, blah, all these other good things. On the other hand, one of the things we talk about in this, this episode is should you pursue or should you pursue your passions? And I think that passion is overrated and it sets up expectations and it sets up challenges that most people would have great difficulty with, which is, you know, this theory that, oh, you're 22 years old, you haven't found your life passion yet. What's wrong with you? And so all these young people are thinking, holy shit, I'm behind the eight ball already. I don't have my passion. I'm already 22. You know, half my life is over. And what we discussed was you should just like have, you should have an open mind and pursue things that are interesting as opposed to your passion. And if you pursue enough interesting things, eventually you will find a passion. But don't make the test. Oh, I have to feel passionate about something immediately. Otherwise I'm an underachiever. The passion test is too, too tough a test. It, it, it will, it's a, it's, it's not productive in my opinion.

I think that's a great advice. The thing that, you know, he said he has number of passion projects and he has a bunch of ideas. And so if you're passionate about something, I think that's great. But I would get it in front of multiple people, like do a survey, talk to your friend. Not, you know, your family's going to say, you have a good family will say like this is a great idea. But actually people who won't blow smoke up your skirt and like tell you the truth and, and see, maybe one of those passion, those passion ideas is a good idea that has legs, you know, and see if, you know, something like that would work.

Well, I hear I would make the case that this goes back to another great interview that you must listen to, which is the one with Mark Madsen. And he says that you will know that you have developed a passion for something when you figure out that it's a shit sandwich that you love to eat. So for me, the shit sandwich that I love to eat is editing my podcast. Because I tell other podcasters how much editing I do and they think I am freaking crazy. But it is a shit sandwich that I love. And it's the same way with my writing. I think the hard part of writing is editing, not writing. And so I spend months and months editing. So when you find that you love editing your podcast, your writing, you know that you're passionate about it. And if you, if you encounter things in areas where it's a shit sandwich and you refuse to eat it or don't like to eat it, it ain't a passion. End of discussion.

And then from the sandwich, we peg and I get the crust that we have to deal with. It falls from the mouth of Guy.

That's better than the crumbs. We get the crust.

So a lot of people's, they think their passion project is this next question. And you guys kind of have the answer to this already, but would you like to write a book? You know, a lot of people's long term goal is to write a book.

Not me.

And there's various reasons why people want to write a book.

There's no way you're not writing one more book. I know you're gonna write this 14 times. Stories. Remarkable People. Advice from Guy Kawasaki's Remarkable People podcast.

The art of remarkability.

We've got the transcripts.

So remarkability.

But in the audience. Who would like to write a book? Are you writing a book right now? You know, it's funny, I met a guy at a conference and he, he has, he's, he's published like 12, 13 books. They're self published. He's a fiction writer and he's, he writes like different books at the same time. I'm like, are you kidding me? He's, he teaches writing, he's a professor, but he has multiple books going. I'm like, how in the world do you do that?

I think Hugh does that too. I think Hugh Howey also, which is.

Another great interview, by the way.

That would be like being a podcaster and chief evangelist of Canva at the same time.

No, that would be like two podcasts at the same time. That'd be hard.

That'd be running square and Twitter at the same time.

Yeah, yeah, I think writing. There's a really large percentage of people that would like to write a book. And Dory and Guy talked about in the podcast reasons why people write books. Like Dory talked about how, you know, being a speaker, a lot of, you know, you have more caveat. You can make more money, basically get more jobs if you have a book. I think for me, I disagree. Yeah, I was going to say I'm not really sure how many speaking things I've gotten from my book from the book or I get a lot from my website in Google search. Maybe when they get there and they see that I also wrote a book, it helps.

But yeah. So that was such a great advance pay. Who gives a.

Dirk says that was.

The mother of all advances, man. When I opened that email, I said, is there something wrong with it? What am I missing here? They want to give us that big in advance. Let's say yes. Peg.

That was another example.

Waited, huh? You waited to tell me.

Well, I didn't want your head to explode.

So Dirk has a great point here. He says you like doing a podcast because it's so much easier than writing a book and you can continue to self publish. No worries about printing out of date information. So that's. I think that's very true.

So there's a lot of advantage to.

Podcast if you do want to write a book. We do have lots of podcast that you should listen to. Like Hugh Howey's podcast.

It's really good.

Margaret Atwood's podcast. We had. We've had so many great writers on depending on what kind of you want to write. Paul Thoreau.

Who wrote the Morning Pages.

The Julia Cameron. Julia Cameron again. Julia Cameron's book helps every different kind of creativity, really.

The artist's way.

The artist way.

And so angel says, I interviewed her this week.

She's coming back. Oh, cool. I have a second interview with her. Yeah.

So angel says, someday I would love to write a book dealing the tricks of my trade. Declassifying information.

Look at her profile with a big cat.

Yeah. Wow. That's a book right there.

Yeah.

What does she do?

I don't know.

Tell us what you do.

Yeah. Angel let us know.

We need to know.

Yeah.

And so Andre said, you know, he didn't want to write a book, but he would. He thinks he would like to be a good songwriter. That's cool. That's creative.

Why not? Yeah.

Yeah. Might as well start now putting your plan.

But it's harder to write a song than a book.

Well, a good song probably.

It's hard.

Yeah. So the last question is, do you feel like you're busy all the time. Peg's yes, nodding yes. It's true.

I'm nodding yes. And this really started a long time ago with the glorification of busy. Arianna Huffington's book about just, you know, everybody, you know, it's, it's a badge of honor. Dory explains it really well on the podcast how you don't want to give up that I'm so busy, I'm so popular, I get so many emails. It's like we, it's like we internalize it and then we're telling ourselves that's so great that we could never possibly not answer one or not. You know, it's, it's harmful. It's a very harmful mentality.

Yeah. The rise and grind kind of stuff and.

Yeah. Which had a big.

The reason why I'm so busy. Yeah, the reason why I'm so busy is because I surf every day. That's three hours right there.

So you gotta do some work in.

So actually, on that note, let's see here. Angel says that she surfs with guy and do professional baby ear piercing. We asked what she was doing with the cat photo.

Yeah.

So she surfs with you.

Yes, she does. She does.

Hopefully she won't bring the cat.

I drop in on her all the time.

Yeah. So, so very interesting.

She does, she has a car that if you're ever on Santa Cruz, in Santa Cruz and you see a car that has professional baby ear piercing, that's her. That's her. Yeah. That's a real true person there.

Well, that's why you're really podcasting to get podcast listeners. You're surfing to get people listen to the podcasts.

Oh, so I can deduct it.

Yes, yes. So we, we asked about being busy and so I think, you know, I think there's, there's some good high profile people who have talked, who have pushed back about the whole hustle mindset. So I think it's becoming easier to say no to the rise and grind kind of stuff. But I wanted to pull up some comments like you were talking about book like Gino says Enchantment is a classic. Still loves that book.

So still give it a emoji.

Yeah.

Good job, Gino.

Yeah, that's really cool. So, yeah, so yes to him, whatever he asked for and when we were talking about, you know, the long term strategy and trying to make time and like feeling busy. This is a great comment by Aman says, here's the strategy. Don't be hard on yourself and don't make processes Stop. But breaks take breaks frequently whenever it's needed. And I think, you know, that goes back to the hustle culture. And even she wrote a book about sleep too. Oh, yeah, Ariana. And you know, make taking care of yourself self. Care is a big part of, you know, being productive.

So, yeah, you can't be on all the time. You definitely need mental breaks.

Yeah.

Time away from your computer if you're working, if you're trying, if you want to be a writer, do anything creative. You can't just sit at your computer all the time. You won't have any ideas.

That's true.

Yep.

So make sure you guys go check out this episode with Dory. It's really good. It's another book that I want to get. What's the title of her book again? Do we know? Off the top of her head. It was really good. It's the one I want to read again because it's about the long term strategy. I think that's what it's called.

Isn't it?

Long.

The long game. Is it the long game? Here we go.

It's not the long board.

No, not the longboard. The long game. How to be a long term thinker in a short term world.

Yes. Yes. So I think that everybody is wanting the quick win. Everybody's, you know, they say we live in a microwave society. Everything's got to be fast, instant. And it's very refreshing to hear somebody talk about, okay, the long game. Think about where you be and make some goals and be flexible. But you can find that@remarkablepeople.com. we'd love for you also to join our amazing circle and discuss this podcast at Bit Ly Remarkable people Circle. Go check that out. Introduce yourself and tell us what you think about Dory's episode. And as always, we would love for you guys to leave us a rating and review over on your favorite podcast player. That really helps us out a bunch. And with that guy, I'll let you.

I just want to bid you a fond adieu. Thank you very much for tuning in. We'll see you next Wednesday with another remarkable guest. And by the way, you know, I'm in a new place, so how does the sound sound here? Is it okay?

It's horrible. That's fine.

Do you think the other place is better or worse or different or anything?

I don't think it's. I don't notice a huge difference.

Can you even tell?

No, the sound sounds really good.

Yeah.

I swear, half of it is this PR40 heil mic.

It's a good mic.

Yeah, I have different because I got my new one hooked up today.

Yeah, it does sound.

You're on the XLR mic right now.

Yes.

Ah, there you go, baby. Yeah, we're all professional. Yeah, big time, man.

Now we just need to get a surfboard.

Mics. Real women use xlr. None of this usb, man. Yeah, for your mouse, not for your mic.

It ultimately isn't a USB into my computer, though.

Yeah, but it does make a difference. I think it does make a difference. And your Rodecaster Pro makes it.

The cable. The. The thicker the cable, the better the speaker, probably.

Okay. Thank you guys so much for watching. Make sure you go check us out at Remarkable People Calm. We've got some great, amazing guests coming up, and we drop a new episode every Wednesday at. It's 6:30 Central AM Central Time. But Pacific. I don't know Pacific.

6:30 Pacific.

Oh, 6:30 Pacific. Yeah, that's right. I'm in Central. I don't know where I'm at. Anyway, have a great rest of your day. We'll see you guys next week.

All right, bye.