Remarkable People Behind the Podcast How to be an Awesome Entrepreneur

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Hello, Good morning. It's Guy Kawasaki. I am in Santa Cruz, California, and my background and everything has changed. I'm in a different room today, and I must admit, I have not yet conquered all of the echo and reverb in this room, but that is just a matter of time. So I am the host of the Remarkable People podcast, and I am joined by the rest of our. What shall I say, our elite crew. There's Peg Fitzpatrick and Jeff C. And the three of us are the three musketeers of Remarkable People. And today's guest or today's episode is none other than Pat Flynn. Yeah, he is. This is one funny, interesting guy.

And he's just so freaking nice, too. Like, you talked to him about it, but I told you ahead of time, like, he's just so. Pat Flynn is just so nice.

Yep, he's.

He really is.

Now, this is not the Pat Flynn. I think there was a path. Flynn who owned the Philadelphia Eagles or something. This is not that guy.

Right.

I don't think that guy whose name was Pat Flynn too, right?

I think so.

Something like that. But anyway, this is Pat Flynn of. What's the first word? Smart Passive Inc. What kind of passive income was it? Yeah. Although, as I point out in the interview, you know, that thing is called smart passive income, but he works his ass off, so I don't see what's passive about that. But he explains that. So. So, yeah.

Yes. So I've been. So Peg and I.

Well, you. You work some on the front end and work some, and you work some in the middle, but for the most part, somebody can just come and buy something without you having to be there.

Yeah.

Yeah. So.

So that's the. That's the Pat Reader's Digest version for.

For. I gotta tell you some. There's no freaking way that a podcast is passive income. Well, it's not passive and it's not income. But besides that.

So. But he sells a. He has a great podcasting course that he's done, but he.

I.

Before he even had a podcast. And Peg probably remembers this too, is that he had a blog, the Smart Passive Income, and that's what kind of started it all. And he was like one of the first. Who would, like, share his. What he was making a month, like from affiliates. And that was a big deal.

I'll share that.

His income reports were amazing. And then he stopped. Once he started making 2 million a year, he just stopped posting how much money he was making. But part of it was to show people, like, you know, what I'm doing really works. And this is how it works. He was breaking down the affiliate money and, you know, I can't teach. You know, talk about every single thing that Pat's done to be as amazing with his smart, passive income. But like, the really short version of it, if you even look at what Pat does, is he finds something that he loves, like Teachable, which is a platform for creating classes. And he works with them. He's advising them, much like Guy and I did with Canva. So he advises them and then he uses their platform and he did a class on how to do courses using Teachable, and then you can get. Use his affiliate link to. To do it. So if Guy and I had done an affiliate link for every person who signed up for Canva based on our.

Recommendations, that would have been nice.

Billionaires.

Yeah, but they didn't have affiliate links when we started, so.

And with Pat, you know, he also has, you know, remarkable people. Make sure you guys go, if you haven't downloaded this episode, go to remarkable people dot com. But also, Pat has some. One of the top, like, I can't remember, but he's one of the top podcasts about. He's got Ask Pat. And he's got smart, passive income and like, and he does really cool things, too. Like last year, he streamed live every day for an entire year. And so he's. He does some really cool stuff.

24 hours.

No, just. He went live every day for a year.

He didn't miss live every day.

He.

He was. He was late to YouTube. He kind of had a channel and he didn't do anything with it. And then he was like, you know what? I really just want to work on growing my YouTube channel because I think it would work well with everything else. And so he went all in. So he, he puts the work in.

Yeah, but he's.

That is definitely one of the key messages that it ain't passive until it is passive.

But one of the things that he talked to Guy about and that we're doing and Peg, I'll let you talk about this a little bit, is the circle. We've got a community, so.

That's right.

Talk about that a little bit.

So we created a community based on actually a conversation that we had with you guys when we were live maybe a month ago, maybe a little more so. And then in between that conversation and now, Guy had his interview with Pat. Pat recommended Circle to him. So we created this community. And by the way, Pat has a class on how to use communities. No surprise, because he advises them, we do not. We're just using this. So basically we have this community. It's very much like to me a Google community, which I like a lot. It's got little tabs on the side. It's very organized. So we're building the community. We have about 150 people in there. So if you're in there. Hi. If you're not in there yet, we'll see you in there. But it's going to be, you know, there's, there's cool stuff coming. I'm just going to say that maybe we'll be hosting some events in there and I'll just leave it at that because there is some secret stuff that can. Maybe we will.

So secret guy doesn't know about it.

It's like I wasn't even invited. Guy will be like, oh, look at calendar invite. I should probably click this.

Us know, maybe I'll, I'll just attend in the audience. There you go.

Right, right. Or, and we might do things like ask me anythings special things that will be community only. We're going to be talking about podcast, the podcast guest. It's a great place to network. There's people from all over the place. We have somebody from Italy who posted a picture of his homemade pizza with his view of Tuscany. So wow.

You know, really.

And you can, and you can sign up at Bit Ly Remarkable People Circle. And I think it's case sensitive. Yeah. So look there. It's right on your screen. That's what you need to enter to join.

So you know what you should do, Jeff?

Oh, what should I do?

You should make a QR code for the.

I should, I should probably do that.

We'll do that for next time. We'll make a little QR code and it will be up in a few episodes because.

Yeah. So, but, but it, but we can. They're supposed to be bringing like, like live streaming in there. And so that will be really cool if we could do a, you know, ask me anything like that. But we do have some. So make sure you sign up for Circle at Bit Ly Remarkable people Circle. But we do have a icebreaker for today. So we're talking about growing, you know, we're trying to grow our online community with Circle. But how do you grow your online community, you in the audience, what are some ways that you have found are a good way to grow your online community? So you mentioned it's like Google and that's where Peg and I met and I actually, my first like interview of the, like a big time celeb was, was old guy Kawasaki over on Google back in the day when we go, well, I'm old, but I mean the old circle, old Google plus and back.

I loved Google plus.

I did too.

Yeah.

I mean, you liked it so much you wrote a book about it, so.

No, I wish Google didn't give up on it. They would have.

I know, like imagine. Go ahead.

Well, I'm saying imagine if Google had not given up on it. Right. And then Facebook becomes meta and I mean, they could. I don't. If they had stuck with it, I bet you they could kind of rival Facebook at some point.

Well, they had live video down way.

Before that was ever a goal. I don't think that was ever a goal for them. I think they just wanted some kind of community thing.

Yeah, they should have kept it with.

YouTube, which was brilliant, having YouTube and Google together. Yeah, Superpower.

Yeah. So what would you say? How do you grow your online community pay? Because you grow online communities all the time.

I think the biggest way that I personally build community when it's my social media is that I try to respond to my comments a lot. Like I'm very active with responding to people that I've built relationships with. So I think people know when they comment on stuff that if they ask me a question or something, I do try to get back on it. And I do use Agora Pulse for that because it's great for going back and answering and I think that helps a lot. You know, blah. I used to most, I used to blog every week, but I haven't been able to do that or haven't done that in a long time. Blogging, I think helps answer the big questions. And right now I gave myself a 30 day challenge to try to do some short videos to see if it actually does grow anywhere. And I'm saying so far no. But.

You just. What you're. The first week though, how long have you been doing it?

A week. But I mean, you know, it takes a lot of time to make a little video.

It does, it does.

So video has had no impact.

It's gotten me more views, but I, I'm like testing it on Pinterest because they have idea pins and video and tick tock, which I only have like 100 followers. And then Instagram reels, which I have more followers, but I don't know. So we'll see how it is. I'm just testing it to see like, is that even a recommendation you can give people, like make short videos and you'll blah, blah, blah. So.

So Jonathan says sometimes you have to stay the course. I think he was talking about Google. So, yeah, it would have been nice to keep that going. But also building community, you can't just say, I'm going to build a community and do it like a week. You know, it takes time.

It does take time. It takes time and effort. It takes time. And in the community app, which is the one that we're using, there's an app and you can do it on desktop, whichever is your preference. It's the kind of thing where you need to get the people in there that really want to network with other people. And the great thing about it is it's not social media, so you're not tied to algorithms or someone else's anything else. You know, it's. It's just, you know, it's free. It's. It's a place where you can talk to other, like, entrepreneurs, people who like things. So we're just getting started, what's in there. But, you know, we're willing to, like, see what you guys want to do and work around with that. So.

And there's no advertising.

Nope, no advertising. And Pat has a community that he does with smart passive income that is a paid community. So his community you can join and then there's a lot of stuff going on there that goes with his course. So that's the thing that a lot of people will do, is they'll build a course and then they'll give you, like, communities, which used to be like Facebook groups, but this is much better because you can share all different kinds of things in there. And I really like the way, like there's a, like a dropdown menu and you can share tons of different things. Like you could share a YouTube video link, a blog link, you can share simple cast link. So you can link to all different kinds of things and it pulls in like a really nice preview. So.

So, Guy, I wanted to ask you a question on community building.

So, so you just do what Peg tells me. That's the answer.

I know, but I was, I was going to ask via evangelism. So it's changed probably from when you were at Apple to now. How important?

I was 30 years ago.

So how important is a community? If you're trying to be an evangelist for a company, is that something that really factors into it? Now if you said, I'm an evangelist for blah, blah, blah.

Well, I mean, that's kind of the goal. Right? So at one level, you of course, want to convert people but when you have people converting people for you, that's even better. And that would be the great example of that, of course, is the Macintosh user group. So, you know, we. Apple helped foster Macintosh user groups. Although, to be quite honest, Macintosh user groups would have formed even without Apple's help because it was such a great product. But then those user groups started getting more people involved with Macintosh that Apple never had to touch. And. But I think that the root of all that, you know, where it all began, is because Macintosh was a great product. And so if you have a great product, that's the start. I would argue that if you have a great product, you cannot help but form a community. Maybe even if you don't want a community.

Right.

So I found. I found this great article that guy wrote in 2006, and I revived it on his blog. But here's the things in 2006 that guy said to build a community. Which are still right. No, they're still right. So the first one was create something worth building a community around. The second was identify and recruit your thunder lizards immediately because people ignore their super fans, which. Which. That's a phrase that Pat uses, and he has a book called super Fan. So he's. It's basically the same premises. Assign one person the task of building a community. That would be me. That's a guy was hoping in 2006 he was going to meet me to build future communities, give people something concrete to chew on, which is true. Create an open system. I. I love it. I mean, I love that guy's blog. If you've never been on his blogger, if you're like an OG Kawasaki blog reader, there is like, gold. And it just gets better as it goes on because so far, and. And I'm not trying to blow hot air up you at all, but so far I found no advice that was not correct. No, but everything has been correct so far. And moving forward, it's still every day. Repeat your tweets was another. That was a blog that you were like, totally like, repeat your tweets. And then there must be something missing at the end because it only goes to 8 and you always go to 10. Welcome criticism, which you're very good at. And I do not enjoy foster discourse. And then the last one is publicize. So. And I would say those are things that we did with Canva when we. That was one of our very, very first things that we did. Canva, they had their amazing tool already, but people didn't know about it. So our job was like, tell, tell people about this great thing and build a community. And I came up with a hashtag which was Canva Love, which they still use today and makes me happy. And also. Yeah, they still use it. It's still used. It's their main hashtag. They still use.

You and Chris Cena, you guys revolutionized the Internet.

Hey, you know what? I helped get Canva out there, you know, using our. Your social and my social. At the time, that was 10 million followers on Google combined. So, yeah, so anyway, that was the first thing that we did was try to build that community because there was another brand which they've since buried. It was one of Cliff, one of the founders goal in life was to bury this other brand. They had a great. They had a great community. And you know, he wanted to like that. That was what was missing. And people weren't talking about Canva, so we turned that around and got people talk. You know, once people tried it, everybody was like, this is amazing. I never talked to anybody that tried it and said I didn't really like it. And that's the truth.

Yeah. Amazing product.

Yeah.

So it's like listening to this, this podcast. I never met anybody who didn't like this podcast.

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I read a review in. Is it next week's episode. I read one of the reviews.

Yeah.

The guy who sent the tweet that said this is the best podcast, bar none, in the world.

Yes, I praise.

That's the standard.

That's right.

That's the standard by which we measure ourselves. Best podcast in the world.

It is pretty amazing. So make sure you guys go check that out, especially this one. And so, you know, I'm a Pat fan from. I have from a long time. I've seen, I've talked to my conferences. He's a great guy, super smart. He's an inventor.

He.

I mean, he just has all these different verticals, which is really, really cool to watch and listen to. But do you guys have any passive income streams like, who are listening to us? Jonathan, do you have a passive income stream that you're working on or have had in the past? Because what do they say? I don't know who says it. Maybe it was Grant Cardone or somebody knows how many income streams millionaires have, like six or seven.

I don't know who originated that idea, but yeah.

So I have podcasts, speaking, writing books. Yeah, well, that's writing.

Yeah, but we have courses and I have courses. You make Money.

Video courses.

5.

I gotta come up with more.

Yeah, you're gonna be.

Stock options from things that you advised.

Yeah. Okay.

Yeah.

So those you get income on. Right.

I can be a hedge trimmer.

Oh, that's true.

From my past.

That's a good story. So Jonathan says Etsy. And I know a lot of people have side hustles on Etsy and a lot of people are doing things over there.

You know what?

Oh, that's cool. I take Silly Press pennies and make them into pendants. That's a cool idea.

I just saw. Jonathan, I didn't see your Etsy site, I don't think. But I did see that somebody was making those with the Disney coins that you can do. Press pennies from Disney and then you make like a. So Jeff will get. Jeff will be. Get going there and he's gonna get some. He's gonna send them to you, Jonathan.

Okay.

Then you can have him make stuff for Jody. She's probably not watching.

Why don't we get a remarkable people press thing?

Yes, we can make our.

Probably not easy to get that.

No, I think it's probably pretty big deal, but. Yeah, so Etsy is one. But let's see. A lot of people. A lot of people in my industry have courses, you know, on top of consulting.

You know what would be interesting is if you are an amateur photographer and you take pictures and you NFT them, because some of these things that NFTs that are selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars, I just don't understand that at all.

I know, it's crazy.

So the only NFT I have bought is from. And I'm not a big NBA fan, but I got on early with it and my son and I do that every once in a While. Is the NFTs for like their trading cards, which are video, which is kind of cool.

Are they appreciating?

Yeah, there's some of them there. I've already got a couple worth two, $3,000.

What'd you pay for them?

Like 30.

Really?

Yeah. So now will they stay that way? Who knows?

Well, there's more value in that than bitcoin. I mean, a bet on bitcoin is basically you're saying there are people more Stupid than me. That's the bet with bitcoin, right? Probably.

I don't know anything about bitcoin. All I know about bitcoin is the doge dog that the dogecoin is based on. It was his birthday.

Oh, funny. You know, a lot of other people. So like Guy, you're talking about photographers. A lot of them sell like to deposit photos and stuff like that. They'll actually sell to these stock sites, which is a great way for a passive income. So.

Yeah.

Yeah. So this is a. Probably another great question for Guy is what do you think is the mindset of a successful person? Because, you know, you talk a lot with that and he, he seems, he's very successful. He's got a great mindset. And you guys, I think, talk about it in this podcast. So what do you think it is?

I think the mindset is that the world is a glass half full, not half empty. So you're fundamentally optimistic. I think the mindset is you default to. Yes. That you are always trying to help people. I think the mindset is that you have to be in it for the long haul. That you know, there's no such thing as an instant success and so you have to pay the price. And as a matter of fact, I just interviewed yesterday Dori Clark, who is all about the long haul. So there'll be a podcast about the long haul shortly. And I think those three things are basically it.

Yeah. What about you, Peg? What do you think? Same.

Yeah, I definitely, definitely think positive attitude and just knowing that you have to put in the hard work because there's just no easy shortcut way for anything that I have ever found.

Well, it kind of leads into our.

Unless you count. Unless you count youtubing how to do something that is a shortcut that did not exist before. So I want to learn something. We can now YouTube at that point.

And we'll talk about that question right after this one. But what does success mean to you? Because I think this is important and people have to define what success means. Is it living in a big house? Is it not having any debt? Is it like. It's like I'm in a barn. Yes.

German car.

Yeah. Is that, you know, and it's different for other people is some people may be like, I want to be able to stay home and you know, go to all my kids games. So yeah, so I think that makes a big difference on, you know, your mindset too.

So what's your, what's your definition of success, Peg?

Me. That's a good Question. Honestly, no. I think if my kids are all doing well, I feel successful. Like, I have a total mom view of that. Like, if my kids are not doing well, then no matter what else is going on, I feel stressed. But if I feel like my kids are all doing good, then I. I don't know. That's like a mother hen thing. But I think it's a parent thing. Like, you just. It's just no matter how old they are, it's just like a thing. And I also feel like my marriage is really successful and. And it takes a lot of work. You know, that's a long haul thing. You know, you don't just phone it in from the beginning. Yeah. So. But I think I feel like that's the thing that you put in a lot of work and it's worth it.

You know, who would not feel successful being married to you?

And it's just. Well, we've been married a really long time, too. I mean, I know I'm only 30, but I've been married longer than I am old.

Well, you're a child bride.

That's right.

I was like, in utro. No, but I mean, especially today, where marriage. I mean, where I would say our panel of three, we all have long marriages. So in our panel, it's not unique, but I think that says something about us that we.

Yeah, I mean, and we worked hard on it and it's. I. Yeah, that's something that we. It's.

You know, I think I just got lucky. I don't know about you guys.

I married very much up. So success means for me is being able to afford elastic pants on Thanksgiving. So that's so. But here's the other great question, and you kind of touched on this earlier peg was where do you go to upskill? So what is an upskill?

Like upskilling is just like learning new things. That's a term that's come out lately for people. You know, if you're. You can't just stagnate on your skills because everything changes so fast. So you got to upskill and learn new things, and that's something. What.

Who made that word up?

It was not me, but I used it. I like that word up.

Skill.

Learn new skills. We'll just call it that way for Guy. So where do you go, Guy?

The language is changing, Guy. Get with it. Yeah, what do you.

Where do you go to learn new things, Guy? I mean, because you have. Listen, you just started podcasting two years ago. You surfed, you started serving, what, four years ago. Six years ago. I mean, so it's not like you're, you know, stagnant. Yeah. You keep doing new things.

Well, I must admit, I don't, you know, I don't take myself so seriously that, you know, I wake up and it's okay. I'm going to upskill today. Today's Upskill Wednesday, and I'm going to learn a new skill. Basically, I fall in love with stuff. So I fell in love with podcasting. I fell in love with surfing. I fell in love with hockey. And once I fall in love with.

Something, I think photography is something that you're always improving on.

Yeah. Yeah. So once I fall in love with something, there's just no holding me back. And if I don't fall in love with something, I truly don't give a shit about it, which is true.

Black and white.

Yeah.

So, Peg, what about you? Where do you go?

I like to go on Skillshare, and I. You know, you do find a lot of great stuff on YouTube and TikTok. Like, even quick little tutorials sometimes for stuff. It's like.

Yeah.

And by the way, Peggy has a great course on skill at Skillshare on Instagram. You've got a couple there, don't you?

My Instagram class did not do so well on Skillshare, but my Pinterest class is the number one Pinterest class. But I need to upload now. Yeah, it's still chugging on. I get pretty good passive income from that every month. Yeah, so it's good. It's like a car payment.

Yeah.

What kind of car, though?

My Audi.

Lamborghini.

Okay.

It's my Audi, so it's really interest.

Audi. A whatever. Cabriolet. Car payment.

5. 5.

Yeah. So this was. This.

I don't know.

This hit a nerve with people.

You and Rich know what I drive, I just get at it and go, vroom, vroom, vroom.

She makes a noise while she's driving, too.

I do James.

To make sure it goes where he goes to upskill. He works. He likes to learn by necessity. Yeah, there's a lot of learning by necessity that. That happens. James, you are totally right. And then dash. Remember, life says, I learned to play the bagpipes.

Yeah.

Wow, that is.

That reminds me of you learning how to play a banjo.

Oh, I've. I've done that since junior high. Because that got all the ladies, let me tell you.

Really?

No, I'm lying. Totally. No. But yeah, so I. Because that I learned. Because of Steve Martin, actually. He was. He was the Man. Yeah. And so, yeah, carving only started doing probably 10 years ago.

So carving. Oh, wood carving.

Yeah, wood carving.

Yeah.

So, and I guess Dashes, they have an upscale Wednesday. That's a cool idea. Jonathan says, I use audiobooks, podcasts, hopefully ours and YouTube to learn. And then I hype Hyper focus. Okay, cool.

I also read. Yes, I do like to read.

So Jonathan has this. How do you make a skillshare class? Peg? He's asking.

That's a good question. I think anybody can make a skillshare class, so I'll share a link. Jonathan, my first one that I did, Skillshare, contacted me and said, hey, we'd love you to make Pinterest class. And I was like, oh, sure. So that one, they hired a camera guy that came and they filmed it all and edited it and everything. So that was great. The other ones I've done myself, but it was really funny because it was like this young, you know, in college guy that came to film me doing this class on Pinterest, and I was like, oh, God, this guy's gonna be like, this is so boring. But he thought it was great because he had a photography. He loves photography and stuff. So he was like, oh, I'm gonna totally do this for all my stuff. So I was like, well, if you can convince someone who isn't even your target audience that it's good. So. So, yeah, I think. And I think anybody can do it, but I will put information on how to do a class if you want. If you were gonna do one, you would have to film it and, you know, edit it into, and you do the course structure, but it's honestly really easy to put it in there. And I used to have a class on teachable, which is what Pat uses, but it's very expensive, so if you're not charging a lot and doing, like, the recurring income thing for your classes, it's. It actually just costs a lot per year. So for me, I just moved everything over to Skillshare. People can pay $10 a month and they could have unlimited classes, mine and other people's. So I feel like I probably don't make as much per class, but I feel like it's such a good deal for people.

I wanted to say something.

Hey, I want to know, you know, how does someone know whether they should do Skillshare or LinkedIn learning or, you know, whatever? There's, like, five platforms. Which one do you do?

Right. Well, I have never done1 on LinkedIn. I would like to do it on the LinkedIn that used to be Lynda.com I think it just depends on, I don't know, like maybe what type of class you have. Like a social media class could probably go anywhere. Skillshare has some business, but it's a lot of creative stuff. So it's like how to use like art, like artists. Like, they'll even be watercoloring. Watercolor painting classes. The best class I saw was this girl had one called oh my gosh, which is an art class. Gouache is a type of paint. So it probably depends on what class you. What type of class you have. But. And then if it's like a paid platform like Skillshare and Linda or the LinkedIn learning, those are hosted there and then you probably get part of the income and then teachable. And there's other ones like teachable you. That's a whole platform that you have to do everything and you pay to be on that platform. You have to pay. So Skillshare, you don't pay and LinkedIn learning, you don't pay.

You know. You know, a course I would like to make because I think I see so many bad examples of it is how to set up a home studio, like what we're using because, man, people suck.

And eCamm had just.

That would be a good Skillshare class, to be honest.

They just had a great training about it. They've done. They're doing ecamm has. They do it in their community, which they have talk about. We've been talking about community. They have a great one. They have a great community manager and all sorts of stuff from tech to lighting to stuff like I didn't even know about. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool.

I want you to know. I want you to know that half an hour before we began this, I did not have anything set up except the mic. I had to. This is a brand new camera.

Makes me nervous.

This is a brand new camera. Never used it before. And so I had to get the micro hdmi. I had to get the converter thing that changes from HDMI to usb. I had to.

I just ordered some of those.

Yeah. So I'm telling you that you could set up the kind. What you see now from me, although the sound could be better. What you see now for me can be set up in half an hour if you knew what you're doing and.

Had all the connectors.

And we were talking about this. Oh, I mean, yeah, we were talking about this before the show, but one of the things you want to really do is have a place where you can leave everything up. That's what I have here. And it just makes it easier. So when you go to create content, you don't have to go, like, I got to set up my lights and do all this stuff and it's there ready for you.

Forget it. Yeah.

So a couple more questions, but make sure you guys check out. I mean, Pat is fabulous. This is a great interview. You know, Guy asked some really great questions about, you know, Pat and his, you know, his background, how he got where he was.

Like, I seldom ask good questions.

Well, no, these were really good. These were good. So they were really. Anyway, it was a. I'm a fan of Pat. I'm a fan of Guy, and I just thought this was a really good one. So make sure you guys go check that.

I have a question for Guy. So in Pat's interview, he mentions several times his mentor, Michael Hyatt. I was wondering if you thought we should have Michael Hyatt on if he'd.

Come on. We would certainly take Michael Hyatt. Hell yeah.

Yeah, let's see if we can have Michael Hyatt. I really love him. He's, he's, he's, he's an og, I think in, in just. Yeah, anyway, we'll put that on the list.

I just don't want these 25 year old, you know, self help gurus. Joe Blow of Blow Consulting, who wrote the Blow Away and has, you know, freaking five minute TED Talk from, I don't know, Poughkeepsie. Ted. Some keen ted. Ted Keane. TedX.

Don't be dissing Keen Ted. I might do that one someday.

That's right.

Is there a context?

Yeah, I, I contacted them once and I was like, hey, what do you guys do? And they were like, who are you? And I was like, okay, thanks.

Wait, wait, wait. So tedx Keane did not take you?

I didn't actually apply. I just kind of like contacted them and I was like, we're done right now. And I was like, well, thank you.

Yeah.

Tedx Keen. I'm still waiting.

She's available. Jonathan goes. When Guy heard the word carving, his mind went straight to surfing. But he also asked and they. I know. They just rolled. This is real.

Canva does.

Yeah.

Amen, baby.

They just started. So you could actually edit your skill share class with Canva, couldn't you, Peg? Or is it.

I don't think it has jump cuts kind of deals in it. You can't like splice the video that I saw.

Is it like 15 minutes the limit.

I didn't see what the limit was, but I think it does have a limit. So it does have limitations. You could definitely create all your slides and everything in there and your cover photos for your, you know, for your presentation. That's how I've done mine. But that's. I'm not sure they're at the level right now where you could do your whole class, but it's.

It's not Premiere.

They will be. I think that it will be there where you can do that eventually. But they, you know, told a long time ago they were never going to do video. So this is, you know, good.

So you'll be so proud of me. I have completely, utterly Quit using PowerPoint. I do not use PowerPoint at all. Everything is canva. Now I have.

I think Peg should teach a skillshare class on how to make slides. Her slides are amazing. Every time she sends it to me, like, what do you think? Like, they're bad. I'm like, they're perf. Do my slides, you know, so they're really good.

I've done some of. Guys, I told you I would do your slides if you already know, but.

Then it would come back. I'd have to do some favor for you or something, so I have to stop.

That's how the world works.

I know, I know.

But anyway, as Madison Reed reached out to you, Jeff, for the. The beard endorsement.

No, I think. I think it's. I don't know what color I'd do it. I mean, it would be kind of red. Red.

Yes.

Yes. So make sure you guys go check out the. This. This episode today, because it's. You know, if you're a Pat Flynn fan, you need to go. You got to listen to this one, because there's some stuff that I didn't know about it, and I've been following him since before his podcast. So make sure you guys go check that out. You can just click on this handy Dandy QR code. And as always, we'd love you for to leave a rating review. And they may even get read live on the podcast like Guy did. I think it's at the end of Pat. Is his.

Is it. Or is it Patty Sanchez?

No, it's Patty Sanchez. Next week is Patty Sanchez. She works for Duarte. And have you heard it yet? Have you guys listened to it yet?

Yeah, it's really good. It's.

I said it is the most tactical and practical podcast in the history of mankind. When it comes to speaking, there is nobody close to this.

And she talks A lot about. And. And guy asks.

He.

Okay. Questions.

He.

He asks questions about, like, virtual presentations, which. Which was really interesting and it made me kind of. Kind of rethink strategies and speakers. You need to listen to this. Because she's thinking that this is going to be hybrid presentation is going to be around for the foreseeable future, and that changes. I know a lot of people think, nah, we're just going to go back to it. But she. And she has no freaking way. She has the stuff to back it up. And it's really fascinating on how to keep people engaged on a virtual presentation. In fact, once again, I went out and bought the book because I have.

To read all this stuff, so I don't know why you do that. Every one of these people would send me as many books as I want.

I know, but I just. I like to support people. They probably don't need my support, but anyway. Okay, well, but I'll start asking. But I. I am also very like, I got to get it now kind of a thing, so.

Well, you can go pay for my skillshare class.

Okay. I don't get that free. I'll get books from other people, but not guys class. So with that. Thank you guys so much for your comments today, Jonathan, and everybody in the comments. Thank you. Oh, the book. He's wanting to know what the book is. Well, should we make him stay for next week when we talk about.

Yeah, Pat's book is super fans and will it fly? Will it fly?

Yeah, those are really good books, too.

And he makes a great hand tripod thing.

Yeah, I actually ordered that. The Switchpod.

Yeah, I've got one right over here.

I ordered it because my. The clip just broke on the top of mine.

He also.

Let me see. Hold it up.

Let me get it. Just a second.

Oh, oh, now he's pulling a guy.

Now we can read all the stuff behind him. It should say barn to car.

I packed it away from my Disney trip, so. And I can't hear anymore.

You're going to Disney?

He's speaking at Disney next week at a event.

What kind of event?

What'd you say?

I think it's a little conference. We're talking about what you're going to do at Disney.

Oh, yeah, I'm speaking and then I'm going there with the fam.

So With Disney World or Disneyland?

Disney World. So gonna be speaking there at event called Momentum with Lou Mongello and then stand there and gonna go to the Epcot Food and Wine Festival.

So that's an oxymoron.

They're gonna have to roll me home. So anyway, four dogs.

I don't think they have those at the Food and Wine.

No, this is. They have good stuff.

Have you ever heard of that at Epcot? Oh, it's a. It's a huge thing because Epcot is all around the world, so it's a food festival at all these different countries. So there's like Japan and Britain.

In fact, one of the. The best of the fest is from Hawaii. They have like Kahlua sliders, which I'm like. I get that. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's pretty. At the festivals are pretty big deal and celebrities go to that. A lot of the big.

Jeff C. Is going.

So I met celebrity chefs.

Oh, yeah.

Is Andrew Zimmern going to be there?

He might be.

Wolfgang Pucks, though's got a restaurant, right. Somewhere that he.

Wolfgang Puck has a restaurant in everywhere. Peters.

Every airport. Yeah. So.

Okay.

Okay, cool. Everybody, thanks for watching Jonathan. Oh, cool. He's from Florida. Well, so we'll see you guys later. Bye, everybody.

Bye.