Your Soul Wants To Be Surprised: The Good Life with Michele Lamoureux | Ep.153

Hello and welcome back to the Holistic Inner Balance Podcast. I am Hadlee of Happy Healthy with Hadlee, and I'm here with Dr. Nicole, and we are interviewing today an amazing human being. She's just the sweetest soul. I She's sunshine. And her name is Michelle Lamoureux. She's an author, speaker, certified life coach, and holistic health coach. She's also the host of the popular global podcast, The Good Life with Michelle Lamoureux. She interviews bestselling authors and experts and offers solo casts to inspire women to live happier, healthier, and more meaningful lives. As the author of Design a Life You Love, Michelle teaches women the power of self-love as the gateway to all they desire. Her mission is to get women off the sidelines of their life to play the starring role. She spent 15 years in corporate America before becoming an entrepreneur, and you're going to get to hear about her story today. She's just such a wonderful person, and she's obviously— from me reading her bio, like, you can tell that she's so aligned with what we do here. So it was such a pleasure to interview her. Just so, so such an easy-flowing conversational podcast. You're going to feel like, again, like you're, you're hanging out with us drinking, drinking some tea on the couch. So really good.

Yeah. Yeah. Hadlee, before we get into the episode, I'm curious if you feel like, or if you've ever felt like you're living the good life, or if you feel like you're living the good enough life.

Ooh, so good. You know,

the so good life.

The so good life.

Have you seen Homestar Runner? And they're like, team, teams, cheerleader team squad, and they're like, so good.

No, but now I need to go look it up.

Don't do it.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, I feel like I feel like there are moments where I feel like absolutely I'm living the good life, and then there are moments where I feel like it's only good enough. And so why not, why not make it more expansive? So we're going to talk about how to do that today.

Yeah, we're gonna make it.

What about you?

Yeah, I'm in the, the goodering process.

The goodering process.

The goodering process. Because I went to medical school partly to prove to people that I could. And we talked about what I would've done if 10-year-old Nicole had gotten to choose. And that looks a little different, but I'm moving in that direction. And we talked about what little Hadlee would've done and how that may look a little different in the direction that you're going in. And so as y'all are listening to this conversation, ask yourself the question, am I goodering? Am I living the good life or good enough life? And is there something that you could change, even something small, to make your life even more amazing? Because your souls want to be surprised. So let's dive in.

Let's go. We've got Michelle Lamoreaux, and oh my gosh, I'm so excited. I've been really looking forward to this interview because you are just a breath of fresh air. You're like sunshine, and I'm so excited for our listeners to hear about how they can design the kind of life that they want to have, especially for women where we often are We often are conditioned to just kind of go through the, go through the motions, to be a good girl, to go through and do what society expects of us. And you're all about kind of disrupting that, and in an easeful way. So let's, let's dive in with— if you want to just tell our audience a little bit about where you came from in all of this. And because I know you've been doing this for a long time in some capacity for a really long time. And so do you want to just give us a little bit of a, a journey through your story?

Sure. I'd love to do that. And thank you for the nice intro. When I met each of you separately on my podcast, that was how I received both of you, the lightness and the energy. I was like, oh my God, they have such open, beautiful hearts. And it's so refreshing to sit across from somebody who can just like, I don't know, just shows up with such beautiful energy. So that's very sweet of you to have said that because that's how I received both of you. I felt like it was like old friends, like coming on the show and made the conversation so rich and beautiful. But like a lot of people, I started in corporate America and I rose quickly and became director of marketing for a law firm when I was 27. And did it for about 8 years. And at some point my soul was like, you're kind of off path. And I started to pay attention to that. And my boss and mentor passed away unexpectedly. And I stayed with the firm for another year after that out of loyalty and out of love. I loved my work. The truth is, that's the interesting part. I loved my work. I could have so continued on that path. And yet there was an inner pull that's saying, time to course correct. So I had a friend who was a life coach. I'm like, what's that? This was like 20 years ago. So it was still kind of new. And so I got certified as an empowerment coach in New York City and started coaching. And then I took a break. Like a lot of women, I became a mom at 38. I'd miscarried before having her. I was starting to relaunch maybe professionally, like some in this direction of coaching. I'd launched a podcast in 2008. And once I became pregnant, I just was like, I need to pause. She's the priority. I had all the success professionally. I had saved a lot of money. My husband and I were on the same page. And I was like, I just wanna be a mom for a little while. Yeah. And I did that. And my daughter arrived preemie, healthy but preemie. So it was sort of like an unexpected way, which life does with how I was entering the world of motherhood. And yeah, I spent those first 3 years reflecting back to her the love that she was, 'cause I wanted to be that mirror for her because of my own wounding. I wanted to have her, experience life through me. And I— when I sent her off to school, I really was getting that call to like get back into things and went to nutrition school and wrote my first book and, you know, eventually launched the podcast. And here we are.

There's something you said, and I'm curious if we can just peek into it a little bit more. Yeah, this was early on. You You had this, this kind of intuition or this impression or this knowing that you needed to course correct. Tell me more about that.

I felt like I needed to do heart-centered work. That was like the vibe I was feeling. I was like, I love working— it was with attorneys, you get a host of personalities, and I was great at navigating them all. And I loved the work. But I didn't feel like I was making an impact. And I'm very much an empath and somebody who cares about people. And I knew there were other skill sets. And so all I knew was heart-centered work. And so when my friend was telling me about the life coaching and I went through the training, I felt so at home in the training. I was like, oh yeah, this was really vibing with me, which is how I kind of knew I was getting on path.

I love the fact that you said that you loved your job.

I did.

And so for the listeners out there who are like, well, I love this thing that I'm doing, but it maybe just still doesn't feel quite right, can you speak to them directly and inform them about that? Yeah,

yeah. And it's interesting because we were talking about, you know, this idea of like the good enough life and the life that you came to live. And not to get too spiritual, but— and this is not a phrase I originated, but I do believe we are souls having a human experience. And when I first heard that phrase, it resonated so deeply. And I think that we all have these gifts inside that we're here to bring, that we were given. And part of our journey in life is to remember those and to reconnect with them and to then share them. And so I think that you can be good at a job and enjoy it, but you have to sometimes dissect what was it. I loved that every day was kind of different. I reported to, there were like 90 attorneys, 90 partners, there were 300 attorneys. I kind of reported to all of them. So I loved connecting with the people. I loved the problem solving. So I had to, I loved the travel. I loved managing a team. I loved, you know, the big picture. thinking that I had to do. And so all of that kind of translated into the coaching. And so I think if you're getting that inner nudge, I feel like sometimes it just starts like as a little inner whisper. If you're feeling that and hearing that, that's your soul reminding you like, hey, yeah, you've had the success. This is great. When you look back at your life, you're gonna see these threads that connect and you're gonna use some of that stuff. later, but it's time to take the next step. And so the way you know that maybe you're off path, and I have to say also, if you get a new boss or new management, like when my boss and the founder passed, the place became toxic. I related to like when you're in a relationship and everything's going great and you're so happy and then suddenly it's not and the person's so familiar and you're like, no, we love each other. We should be so happy. That's what it felt like walking into the firm. Like, wait, this was like a love affair and now it's not. And that was also another sign. Like, I started getting what, you know, we call the Sunday night blues, where I just wasn't looking forward to Mondays anymore. Mm-hmm. So it was time to do that, you know, look inside and use that curiosity to figure out, is it, do I need to be with a different boss and manager in a different firm, or is it time to go a different way?

Well, and that's the thing too. I feel like a lot of times people, women, you know, humans, we, we think, okay, now I know more of what I want at this— in this next phase of my life or whatever. And so before was bad, that I wasn't on purpose at that point, I wasn't doing what I was supposed to be doing, and now I'm gonna do what I'm supposed to be doing.

Mm-hmm.

But What if that was what you were supposed to be doing at that time?

Totally. Yes.

And now you just get to change your mind. You just get to do something different.

Totally. And Hadlee, you talked about this on my podcast where you had your degree and were pursuing things and your mom introduced you to Ayurveda at the Chopra Center and you're like, a light bulb went off and it sort of kind of just, it's like a pivot. It's like, okay, we're gonna go in a different direction. And sometimes the direction you go in. Isn't— it's the stepping stone to the next thing. Like, I did get certified as a holistic health coach, and by the time the program ended, I was like, oh, I'm definitely not going to be coaching. This is not for me. I loved the program, loved everything I learned, but it became the stepping stone where they said, hey, if you want to self-publish a book, we're offering another course, which I signed up for. And I actually won a contest that they ran. They had 160 submissions, and they said, we're going to pick 10 books that are going to get their tuition money back in Marie Forleo's B-School. And so that was like sort of like some external confirmation, like, okay, maybe the writing. And it was Design a Life You Love. And this book became the beginning of the work that I'm doing now. It was like the stepping stone. But had I not gone to the nutrition course, I wouldn't have taken that course, and I might not be here. Or made a taken a different turn.

Well, and can we talk about that a little bit too? Because I feel like a lot of times, because we're raised in a society where we have to get the grades, we then have to get the job. We like— it's suppo— there are things that we are quote unquote supposed to do.

Yes.

And so sometimes we feel like if we signed up for a holistic nutrition program to become certified in and then we don't do that, we feel like we have failed at something or we feel like a failure. When really, you can choose to look at it as like, oh, or you could also be like annoyed with the people who did the holistic health coaching for trying to sell you on another thing. You could be like, mm, they're just trying to get as much money outta me as possible. But you were like, wait, this is just the stepping stone into the next thing.

Totally. I love that you said that because it's so true. We live in a culture that rewards accomplishment. We get satisfaction. I love my to-do list. I love checking things off my to-do list. I love feeling like I'm doing something every day, even if it's like, okay, I did 5 loads of laundry, reported— recorded 2 podcasts, you know, whatever it is. It's like that sense of satisfaction. But the reality is we have this one incarnation. This one opportunity. We do have these gifts. And if we are looking at our lives through like checklists and metrics and the next ring on the ladder, then we may lose ourself in the process. And then my whole, like what drives me every day is I don't want a woman waking up or a guy. I know you're, the men listen to the show too. I don't want someone waking up at the end of their life thinking, looking back and go, oh my gosh, like this is the end. I lived for everyone else. I achieved those goals that were important to my parents or to society. I got all the accolades, but I actually didn't do the thing that my soul told me I was here to do. Like, that's what keeps me up at night. That's what drives me. And that's kind of why we're talking today, I guess, too, because, uh, yes, all of that stuff is great. Yes, you do make the investment, but life is not meant to be. a straight line. It is in fact a journey, and you have to be willing to go. And I think the more you listen to your intuition though, the less likely you go too far off path.

There's a lot of unknown in that. There's a lot of curiosity that you're asking people to, to consider. And I feel like curiosity and anxiety and curiosity and fear, they're almost opposite ends of the spectrum.

Yeah.

And like you were saying, we're wired for certainty. We're wired for results, you know, checking that box, getting that to-do list done, getting the good grades, getting the raise, getting the job promotion, having your kid get into honor society, whatever it is. And, and you're calling for people to be curious And to be curious about themselves, which I think is an even bigger step, is I think at least cultural conditioning, my cultural conditioning is it's okay to be curious about others and service, but it's not okay. In fact, it's selfish to be curious about me, my journey, my needs. So talk about that.

Yeah. You both actually, with what you said, touched upon why we do get stuck, whether it's going for those ambitious goals and trying to please everyone else, or one of the reasons people get stuck is because of cultural expectations. So for you, it's what you mentioned, but for someone else, like I'm first-generation American, I watched my parents sacrifice to create this better life. And so you feel this— sense, and they didn't have this for me, I did, the sense of like obligation to succeed. Both my brothers got their MBAs from MIT, right? I rose up quickly in corporate. Like we were driven and trying to, you know, produce and do it. But I think what gets people stuck is the cultural piece. It's fear, fear of failure, fear of success. You mentioned people love certainty. I had a neuroscientist on that, you taught me this too, that, you know, our brains love certainty. We wanna know. That things are gonna work out. And if you're afraid of even success, you can lose what's familiar. Your relationships may change. People may feel like envious. I don't know. They don't wanna see you succeed. All these dynamics can shift in your life. And another piece of it too is just the traumas that we experience that make us feel like— Mine, my core wound that I had to do the work on was, I'm not lovable as I am, and unpacking that. And so it was through curiosity that unlocked the awareness of that wound so that when I find that I'm in situations that make me afraid, I can say, yeah, we've been here before and we can still move forward. You know, I can love on that part of myself that had that wounding. And say, yeah, it makes sense that you'd be scared, and we are here for a reason. So we are going to explore. We are going to use our curiosity to move forward.

It's interesting to me, and I so resonate with this. I think you and I are on a similar frequency in this, is when we come from out of childhood wounding, especially if maybe our emotional needs weren't met or we didn't feel seen. Or we didn't have that I-thou connection, that you know soul-to-soul connection, is that unmet need can then keep expressing itself in the different iterations of life. And so it can show up in our careers, and it can cause this level of dissatisfaction. And I work with a lot of clients who struggle to stay with a job or to stick something out because. It's like that, that feeling, that emptiness, what that soul sickness is chasing them.

Yeah.

And so what I really honor in your experience is that you were curious and used that intuition and an impression to not only meet a need for yourself that wasn't met when you were little, and then to alchemize that into something that has a greater purpose.

Yeah.

And I feel like that, that's just like the most beautiful choreographed musical piece of life. And so for those who, who may be coming out of their own woundings, and they may be kind of in a job or in a situation where they have that kind of sense of uncertainty or unknowing, and they want to alchemize that into something fulfilling for them and where they can give back to others, How, how do we begin? What does that look like? You were in a career, you were making money, your parents were probably proud. You had to give up a lot. How does somebody, how does someone start?

Yeah, I think you have to honor where you're at. So for me, financial security was important. And so I left. I had a number in my mind of how much I had to have saved before I felt comfortable leaving. So I did create a safety net for myself. So You have to know how, what's gonna give you a little bit of security to start pursuing it. And you know, you don't have to quit your job like I did. I did because I knew I had that financial security, but had I not had that, I probably would've kept going and done things while I was working and filled my cup while I was still employed and making money. So you have to look at your circumstances. Everybody's is gonna be different. I think we also have to remember that curiosity is like, an innate quality that we all have. It's not unique to one person and not to another. If you just look, I love toddlers. I love the energy of children because they just approach life with like, they're just gonna discern like, do I like this? I don't like this, you know? And so we start paying attention. When I'm with this group of friends, I find that I'm like preparing what I'm gonna say before I see them. Why do I do that? I don't feel good around them. Mm-hmm. When I'm with this girlfriend, I walk away feeling like I can, you know, take on the biggest challenge and that I'm gonna be supported and loved even if I fail. So it's like finding that level of discernment within your day-to-day. And I think also it's paying attention, like you can have some fun with it. Like, who do I admire and who do I envy? Right? Mm-hmm. I think that admiration and envy are two sides of the same coin. I've been thinking a lot about this. I see You know, Nicole and Hadley doing this podcast every week. And every time I do, I feel like I have a message I wanna share. Maybe podcasting's for me. Like, it's paying attention to, you know, what you're seeing around you. Every time I walk into Barnes& Noble, I like daydream that I have a book in there. Where's that coming from? That's all just clues. That's all your soul trying to wake you up and remind you. I took this painting class and I've never painted before. Oh my God, I felt so alive in there. I didn't expect that. It's like just like bringing the joy that the toddlers bring, because when they do it, it's not like, yeah, I'm going to be so good at building these blocks right now. Like, you know, they just, they just start doing stuff and they're having fun. Like, can I stack this? There's no goal in mind. And the interesting part is when they're little, we're rewarding them for every little thing they do. And as we get older, we get criticized for stepping outside of what Society tells us we should want or dream about.

I love what you said about the soul too, because like we were talking about, your mind craves that certainty, but your soul wants uncertainty. Your soul wants to be surprised. Yes. Your soul— what do you got for me?

Yes, exactly. No, it's so true. It's so, so true. I mean, I had an experience when I was younger where I was put in a back brace for scoliosis. And in that experience, as horrible as it was, because it compresses you, literally physically compresses you where you can't breathe, it changed my whole outlook on life. And that's where I developed the, I'm not lovable as I am, and started having— The brace came off, and so the physical containment of wearing that brace was removed after 6 years, but the cage that I put myself in emotionally and mentally stayed. And I don't think that people need to have worn a brace like I did to be compressing themselves and not allowing that expansion. So yes, the soul loves uncertainty. The soul loves it. We're in like an ever-expanding universe. Like, And yet we're like constraining. We want certainty. We want to know everything's gonna work out and everything's gonna be good, and I wanna keep myself safe. But safe isn't gonna necessarily help you design a life that makes you happy and that makes you feel fulfilled.

Yeah, I talk a lot with my clients about energy optimization, energy management. We, we've talked about energy management versus time management on the podcast before, and I am a big believer that keeping yourself small and not expanding actually takes more energy than just allowing yourself to do the thing, to be the way that you want to be, that you know you're kind of meant to be.

It's so true. It's so true. And part of the curiosity too, I think, is to, yeah, allow that sense of like Like I said, yeah, like the play with it and not make it so serious. You know what I mean? Like, so take a class. It doesn't mean you have to become a world-class painter. I used to do musical theater. I would never sing on stage if you paid me, but there was information in that joy of being on stage. It was a way of communicating. I do that through podcasting now, right? So there's like clues and there's clues from our childhood, which is really fun to explore. Because, you know, that's when we were more innocent and free with less of those external voices.

So I have a question for you both. So if, if I were to approach your 10-year-old selves and be like, okay, today you can do anything you want and it can— no bars held, no worry about consequences, no worry about finances. We can take you wherever you can do whatever you want. What would, what would your 10-year-olds want to do?

I would be on stage.

Yes. Would you— what would you be doing on stage?

I would be doing, uh, I would be acting on stage.

Okay, okay, we're unpacking something. This is

fun. What character would you play? Like, what would the character be like if you could pick your dream— your 10-year-old self could pick your dream role?

Oh, uh, well, it would probably have been Uh, either

Phoebe—

Glinda in Wicked or Elle Woods in Legally Blonde.

I love it. Do you sing?

Yeah.

You do? A little bit.

I mean, you know, karaoke, but yeah.

Oh my God, I'll do karaoke with you, Hadlee, because I do want to kind of break through more of that barrier on the On The Voice. And I did take voice lessons as an adult to reclaim that part that I— because with the brace came on the singing, the musical theater stopped.

You

can't do musical theater when you can't physically move and you can't breathe. You can't sing. So, so I probably would be on stage with Hadlee, to be honest, Nicole. We'd

be back doing musical theater.

Oh my gosh, let's do it. We're starting a band. Yeah. Musical theater. It's probably— I would be back on stage because I wouldn't have given that up. What about you now? I want to know. Okay, good. You're lead. I don't want to—

Well, I want to expand on this, and then I'll totally— I'll play with my 10-year-old and we'll see what she says. What's interesting is we've studied theater and acting and improv therapeutically, and what's really neat about that is that we have an opportunity to experience what it would be like to be a different person with it, with different body language, with different affect, with different experiences. And so it— what's interesting to me is that you both are kind of craving, like, I want to be free, I want to be on the stage, I want to be seen. And what's especially interesting, I think, is who you want to play. And So then it's like, okay, so these may be aspects of who I am, who I want to be, who I admire, maybe envy. And is that pointing to an unmet need or an unexpressed part of my soul, myself?

Beautiful.

And if so, how can I incorporate that in my day-to-day life in addition to getting back up on the stage? Right.

Beautiful. Yes.

Yeah.

And what about you now? I want to know, Nicole, what you would— what your 10-year-old self would want to do.

Besides like riding unicorns over rainbows. 100%. I actually, I always wanted to be a writer when I was in third. I have notebooks from when I was in third grade and I just filled them up with stories which were pretty identical to whatever it was I was reading at the time. But whatever, Nicole's been— but I always wanted to be a writer and So I feel like with Panic Proof, that was an intro, like a step into really committing to that craft. So I love that. And so you guys go and do karaoke and you get on stage and I'll write about it.

I love it.

So I also share that too. So I've had a fiction book in me for 10 years. And that's why some of it takes time. So it's not to be hard on yourself. Like, you can have the curiosity, you can think about, what do I really want? I have a neuroscientist who came on the show every year. She writes once or twice a year what I really want, and she just writes it all down. And she saw herself on stage doing a TED Talk, and she did, but it took 4 years, you know? So yes, but I wanna be a fiction writer. Did you want fiction or nonfiction, Nicole? Now I'm curious. Or both?

Fiction.

Oh,

this is why

we're— we vibe. Yes, I have a fiction book in me. And guess what? I think a lot of the healing that we need to do can come through those characters, at least with the book that I'm working on. What do you think about that? Yes.

Oh, totally. I mean, I think about Sarah J. Maas, and she's taking the world by storm right now. And she writes these characters with such complex trauma. And, you know, some of them have family trauma, some of them have rage and anger, some of them have been abused. She writes these very emotionally complex characters. And then when you read her biography and you read about her story, it makes sense that not only is she providing a a venue for people to learn about mental health and to learn about trauma. But one could surmise that she probably resonates with some of the characters that she's writing, and she's getting to close those loops or reprogram the way that it showed up. And so I think that writing fiction is brilliant. So we need to like—

We need to talk.

We need to offline talk more about this, like creative creative endeavors, curiosity about how we want to be creative.

Totally.

And I love—

oh, go ahead, please.

I love what you said about the play, the playfulness, the, um, not— I often talk about not taking ourselves too seriously because I can take myself too seriously. And so that's why I laugh as much as I do, because I'm like constantly reminding myself that like we don't have to be as serious as we Totally. Um, do you wanna speak to that a little bit?

Totally. But I'm gonna just take one step back 'cause I was thinking about what you just said, Nicole, too, and the question you had asked before about where you start. One place to start is core values. So this year I did the exercise and I didn't look at a list. I just felt like what, what came up for me. So like family, I prioritize. So fine, that's not like on the needs to get on the calendar. Number one thing was creativity.

Mm-hmm.

And that's the book. And I haven't been doing the book. And so that's what I'm like, okay, I gotta align my calendar with the creativity. But when you ask that self— yourself that question, it unlocks like, oh wait, I didn't realize I valued adventure. Like I wanna be traveling. You know, this isn't all necessarily about your life's purpose. It's about adding more of yourself back in your life so you feel more fulfilled. Um, okay, but let's go back to your question, Hadlee. Will you ask me again?

Yes. Will you just tell us a little bit about how to bring in more of that play, that playfulness?

Um, let me think about this one. I have a now 16-year-old and I just like think about the energy of a toddler. So if you can be around kids, like they are the best teachers for like approaching things with just our natural state of being, our innate natural state of being. But I think, you know, maybe find that friend that likes to laugh and like can be silly with you and go do something just fun together. Like you talked about improv, Nicole. I've been wanting to take an improv class.

Yeah.

And I mentioned it to a friend and she said, I've been wanting to take an improv class. So we've talked about doing it together. So I think if you can, if you're not like feeling confident doing it yourself, bring in a friend who will do it with you. And we always laugh, so I know no matter what happens, like, it's gonna bring the play. But also, that's okay. Maybe your personality is such that like you hold things a little tight and honoring that, and that's okay too. Like, bring in the play, but also know that maybe there's a reason that there's a part of you that takes things a little more to heart and is really serious about the way you approach your work or the way you, you know, there's a— Yeah. a care that you bring because of that. So it's like, it's not like getting rid of that other part of you. It's, you know, you want to— it sounds like you want to bring in more play. And so you choose to, but it's also okay if you're a little more serious about your work, because maybe that also aligns with your heart and that's good.

Well, I love that. I, I think choosing what's actually fun for you It's also really big here because there was a time a couple years ago where I was like, I'm just gonna like have like do more fun stuff, like have play more, whatever.

Yes.

But I was doing stuff that I thought should be fun for me.

Oh.

That were— that was fun for other people, like going surfing. And surfing— I hate surfing.

Yes, you do.

I was doing it for a long time, like not, not a super long time, but I would go and like, okay, you know, just trying to get better. Every time I would fall off, it was, you know, the waves kind of— they call it like being washing machined. You just are tumbling over the waves. It was awful. I hated it. And so I was like, okay, I'm done with this. I'm not doing all of these things that I think are supposed to be fun for me, that I think I'm supposed to do to have play.

Yes.

And once I stopped doing that, then I leaned into, oh, actually what's fun for me is I've taken a few acting classes since then. I do karaoke. I— my husband started playing guitar. We sing at night together. Like, I'll sing with him while he plays. And dance classes, things that— those are actually fun for me. So if you're listening to this and you're like, taking an acting class or an improv class sounds like my absolute worst nightmare, and I would never want to do that. Don't do that as part of the exercise. Like, maybe you want to do that down the road where you, you're trying to get out of your comfort zone or something, but for this, for play, like, do something that you actually like.

Yes. And that's why, like, if you do watch kids, they do what's fun for them, and if they don't like it, they move on to the next thing. They don't, like, hold it so precious. Yeah. So ask yourself— I love that— ask yourself what's

Yeah,

that's, that's brilliant. That's so good. And I feel like what you said, Hadley, earlier was just awesome, is like your soul wants to be surprised.

Mm-hmm.

And so experimenting and being curious. And I know you want to know the answers. Trust me, I want to know all the answers. But what my take-home, my main take-home from today is going to be is I'm going to go home, I'm gonna make a list of all sorts of things that seem kind of fun to me, but I'm going to ask my younger parts for their input too, because adult Nicole may feel differently than 10-year-old or 6-year-old or 14-year-old.

Totally. There's so much wisdom and like the younger part that wants to be remembered. Yeah, because she knew, she knew what was fun.

Yeah.

Yeah. Awesome. So people are going to want to buy your book. They're going to want to know how to find you. They're going to want to know how to laugh with you, and they're going to be on the lookout for your future fiction book. So tell us.

And yours now.

We're going to do a podcast. Hadlee is going to turn it into a television show, and she's going to act out our characters.

Oh my God, I love it. There we go. They can come over to thegoodlifecoach.com, which is where the podcast, the book, Um, and I have like an episode I did, Remember Your Purpose, for those who want to like, it's just a series of questions and it takes you through. I can link that if you want it. And it has the questions and they don't even need to put an email to like get it. There's a handout in the show notes on the page, um, that they can access.

Thank you so much. That's so generous. I want that.

Yeah.

Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Michelle. It's so amazing to know you. And everyone, make sure that you go and you follow and stay in the loop because she's always got amazing guests on her podcast. And we'll for sure have you back one day. It's been such a pleasure.

I'd love that. Thanks. And they can listen to the interviews I did with both of you too, which you gave so much value. And I absolutely loved connecting with both of you on my show and now on yours. So thank you for having me.

Oh, thank you so much for being here. Thanks, guys. Bye, everyone.

Bye. Bye,

everyone.