1 Hour of TOXIC Friendships & Bestie Beefs! | KARAMO

Give me a minute, I'm in the drive-thru, I'm taking these orders. Hard worker, that's why I'm skinny and small. Anyways, like I was saying, okay, I go on Facebook and my damn socks fell off because I'm seeing my state ID. You still not wearing them either with the church shoes, so that's funny. But girl, you don't even can fit a sock, so don't even start. Girl, my shoes are skinny, what about you? Non-factor, this is our show. Anyways, like I was saying.

So why do you think your best friend is sleeping with your father?

Okay, so for one, they're too friendly and it's too much flirting. Always them two on the side. She'll be laughing in his ear, you know, kitschy-kitschy-cooing.

Like, what's funny?

'Cause I wanna laugh too.

Okay.

You know?

What's the kitschy-kitschy-coo?

Right, exactly.

I need to know.

I caught her going to Columbus, is where my father stays.

Oh.

We've been friends for a long time, so we have each other locations. We share locations, you know, for safety reasons.

Of course.

And she turned it off. Why is you turning off your phone while you going to Columbus if you ain't going to see my daddy?

So when did the suspicions begin?

I'd say about 4 years ago. And I'm like, what is going on? I know how my friend is, you know, when it come to, you know, her male friends. Like, girl, you not about to use my daddy as no sugar daddy.

Oh, sweet. So from your experience, Janay takes advantage of men sometimes?

Yes, very much so.

So how did your friendship begin? How did you meet her?

10 years ago, we, you know, exotic dancers. Ever since then, we've been inseparable. Like, we every day, you know, we kicking it on the phone, talking. I'd have been there when her kids was born, like all that. Like, it's just like our relationship grew so crazy.

You're like sisters.

We like sisters, literally.

It makes sense. It makes sense. So have you ever just tried asking him the truth and say, just tell me?

Actually, I have.

Yeah.

I do all the time, even like, 'cause I know she plays like that a lot. So I had asked her a couple times like, you know, what do you and my father got going on? Like, y'all playing too much. And then she'll be like, we ain't doing nothing. I feel like it's gonna affect us really bad because like, I share my hot chicken wings with you, but I'm not sharing my daddy.

Well, listen, we all know that there's two sides to every conflict, so I think it's time to meet Janaye. Janaye, come on out. How do you feel about Kiki's accusations?

Fuck Kiki accusations.

'Cause first off, why do you think that I'm messing around with your daddy? Because you mess with men that's the same age as my daddy, so of course. But Kiki, we're family, we're like sisters. Why would you ever think that I am messing with your dad outta all people? Why would you think that I would ever cross that line? Because why is he sending you money then? Why is he paying for you to get your car fixed? Maybe that's why you need to ask your dad.

Well, do you think you've ever acted inappropriate with Kiki's dad?

Yeah, I feel like I have.

Okay.

Just 'cause I be drunk and I just be having fun and we just play around like that. Do I do that to your daddy? You never been around my daddy. It don't matter, but I wouldn't do that.

Okay, so we heard that when y'all at the barbecue, y'all got the kiki, the ha ha. How do you think that affected her? You said y'all sisters.

I don't think she care. Well, I didn't think she care. Why would I not care? I don't know. That's a bit much. You never, I mean, you didn't say nothing until like later on. And to be quite honest, I'm dating somebody right now anyways. Because after I start seeing him Cash Appin' you and stuff money, of course I'm about to start asking 'cause now I'm putting two and two together. Okay, well, he did Cash App me money, but he did it outta the kindness of his heart. But I never— We're living in 2022. I never let this young man— What man you know that's about to sit up there and send money to anybody he ain't in no relationship with and he ain't messing around sleeping with. Let's be real.

So does Mark text and call you?

He only did that one time looking for Keke 'cause she wasn't answering her phone.

Got it. So he sent you money for car repairs. Tell me about that.

Well, Keke dad always been like a very generous guy. He'll look out. Like he does that for anybody, not just me.

Does it upset you that Keke is accusing you of this?

Yeah, it's upsetting the fuck outta me. Like I'm very upset. Like why do you think that I'm trying to use your daddy? Because that's what you do.

Okay, well, Kiki asked you to unlock your phone so that I could see if you have ever contacted her father or had anything and you agreed, right?

Yes.

Okay, good.

It is time to see what is in your phone. We checked your phone and we're looking to see if there's any interaction between you and Kiki's father, Mark. Are you ready, Janaye?

I'm ready.

Are you ready?

I'm ready.

Okay, so when it came to text messages, we found zero suspicious texts between Kiki and your father.

Okay, okay.

When it came to locations on apps, we found zero suspicious locations.

I love you.

And DMs, we found zero, and we found zero photos. Okay, okay. You're fine, Kiki. Your father's contact information was not even in her phone.

Okay, okay, okay. I'm sorry. Nah, nah, I'm mad.

I'm mad.

All right, I'm sorry. I'm mad. It's good to erase them, but okay. We ain't got trust no more.

Hold on, but we do have a bit of a ping that's come in. Kiki's dad is actually here with us today on video chat. Mark, I wanna welcome you to the show. So I understand that you, there's something you wanna say to your daughter.

Yes, I do.

Kiki, you need to stay in your own lane.

What?

You need to stay, you and your sister always, you need a woman, you need this, you need that. We gonna find you a woman. Right, your age?

Okay, well let me tell you, in 2017, me and Janaye, we was going out. We did a couple of walks on the beach. And I took her out to dinner, seafood.

Hold on, Mark. Are you saying right now that you did have a relationship with Janaye?

A platonic one.

Okay.

So Mark, I know you're playing from the old school, but walks on the beach ain't platonic. When did this happen? In 2017.

I wanted a relationship with her. Oh. But Kiki got in the way.

What?

Yeah, you got in the way.

So there was a seafood restaurant. Tell me about that.

Oh, we went out and had like a nice little dinner and talked.

Did you kiss?

Yeah, we kissed a couple times.

And on Thanksgiving, when you seen her sitting on my lap, I was playing Santa Claus.

And she was trying to tell me— All right, so when did you get your phone?

That's a, I got that phone in 2018.

2018. And so this happened in 2017, so that's why we couldn't find anything. Okay, so Mark, have you ever sent Janay money?

Yeah.

So how much money did you, how much money have you sent Janay?

Like $500 or $600. And that's a lot of money.

Two times.

Two times. So almost $1,200 has been sent. This was your fears, Kiki, that she could be using your father just like she used other men because if she's got $1,200.

Exactly, that's what I'm saying, exactly. And look, you falling for it.

So why didn't you tell your daughter, Mark, the truth?

It's none of her business.

Okay, but that's still my best friend. She is not about to be my stepmother.

Well, I think the bigger question is here that Kiki, Janaye said nothing happened. We thought nothing happened 'cause we found on the phone. But clearly you've kissed her father and received money from him, the fears that she had. Is there anything you wanna say to your friend?

No, 'cause I tried to put that behind me. We both tried to put it behind us.

Oh no.

Come on, Janaye, you've now been caught. Is there nothing you wanna say to your friend? If you say she's like a sister, your twin, there's a moment here that you could salvage this relationship because what happened is that— Yeah, I already did. Her issue is that there was no honesty. And if she's looking at you right now, Mark has already told us now, y'all have kissed, y'all went on dates, there's been money. Can you be honest with your friend now?

I mean, all we did was kiss. It wasn't like I slept with him.

Don't be defensive. Talk to your friend.

Are you using my father? No, I am not.

I'm trying to make sure you can salvage this friendship because I do believe that you feel like this was your friend, your sister. You don't want us to look at her and say, "Hey, I'm sorry." I do wanna say I'm sorry, Kiki.

I'm sorry, Janey. You probably ain't gonna trust me after this though. I'm not. That's why I didn't wanna tell you. Exactly. I can't, mm-mm. Y'all both, if this gonna continue or y'all wanna have something going on, y'all can leave me out. I would've said it earlier if I could. Leave me out of it. No, you could have not, Mark.

Mark, I appreciate you coming on the show, giving us clarity, so thank you so much. I think you need to do some work rebuilding your relationship with your daughter because at the end of the day, even though you are the father, this is your daughter's friend and I think that transparency would've made this a lot easier. And so I think it's important that you model that behavior for your daughter. So thank you so much, Mark, for being here, but I need to talk to you two now alone. What is your reaction to hearing all this?

I'm shocked because I mean, I kind of figured something was going on, but it was like I didn't want to believe it. Because these are two of the most important people in my life. So it's like, you know, believing her and then he's telling me something else for the first time is like, it's shocking. 'Cause I really thought that she wouldn't.

Are you mad?

Yes, I'm mad as hell. I feel betrayed for sure. Like, especially 'cause we talk about everything. So even if it was to happen or something, I'm shocked that you didn't even come to me and talk to me about it.

Yeah.

I was afraid of this, your reaction. That's why I kept it to myself.

The trust has been broken now. And this is sad 'cause I heard how you were talking about her. I could see that you love her and I could see that's your sister.

Key, it only happened one time. Only one time. I never slept with him. But he said that he gave you money twice. Because he wanted to help me. I didn't ask him. He was asking about what was my financial problems. Well, you was telling him your problems. So if you telling him your problem, then that means that you needed some help. So that's basically asking. No, we was just having a mutual conversation and he offered to help. So I'm like, oh, okay. Okay.

Kiki, do you think you can rebuild this trust with Janey or is this friendship done?

I don't know if I can build this relationship again because once you'll lie to me one time, you'll do it again. I think I would lose my mind if I ever lost you.

Do you believe this?

So hearing her She seems like she's speaking from the heart.

I'm gonna tell you, for moving forward, it's gonna take her some time to rebuild the trust. If you really want this relationship, you don't need to be defensive. Don't make anything and say like, "Well, you know, like it was in the past." Just say, "I know I messed up," and be as vulnerable as possible. I do trust, everyone admitted that you didn't sleep together, and I think that's a big thing. That's great.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? Because I think that would've been maybe a breaking point for you. But the fact that you just got a little money, you was playing, yes. She already knew that you was a hustler. So I think she was already aware. It's just the point of you keeping a secret. You keeping a secret is the betrayal for her. And you already knew that. So do the work.

Do you forgive me?

Really, you do?

I mean, it's gonna give me a little, I might need a little time, but right now I just need to.

You forgive her?

I feel her though.

You feel it?

It was understandable at the time.

Well, look at that. Listen, that got mended up easy and that quick.

Okay.

That vulnerability wall. Apparently you have some unfinished business with Bianca.

Oh yeah.

Oh yes.

What's going on?

You know, this young lady is a really nice young lady. You know, she came into my place of business. We became friends, like store friends. She would come in, she would talk. She had a little puppy with her. And she was just so cute, right? So she just come in, ask me questions, do all this cute little stuff. In the midst of all that, she was like, hey, are you guys hiring?

I'm like, oh, you want a job?

Okay, sure, why not? You know, we connected. I feel like she would be great for the business.

Yeah.

Part of the team. So I said, okay, yeah, sure. So I set up the interview. So she got the interview, then we really became friends. You know, 'cause we was working together and she'll call me for points and, Just, you know, she just wanted to be a friendship.

Yeah.

So you say that she upgraded her life and then dumped you. What do you mean by that?

So when she— so she, she got pregnant, and the guy that she was pregnant with, you know, up and down, young relationship, up and down. So I was like her mentor, you know, talking to her, say, girl, it's gonna be okay, just telling her it's okay, you know, to, to move on. So she moved on and she met this new guy and then all of a sudden, this new guy and her, she just didn't wanna hang out anymore with me. She didn't wanna be my friend, she didn't wanna go to parties anymore, shopping, eating, like she didn't wanna do anything. So I'm like, what the hell's going on here? Like, why would you do me like that? I done brought you into the business, brought you here to make money because I felt like maybe you needed money, just being a friend, just being a, a friend. She got ghosted and just started being with this guy. This guy was in the professional world and I guess—

What professional world? He's a lawyer, doctor?

No, he's part of the sports leagues, played in the NFL.

Oh, so she got a guy with, oh, this makes more sense, with upgrade.

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah, so—

So now he's working, she's an NFL girlfriend.

Correct.

So I'm like, oh, yeah. I feel like, wow, okay, I'm not a jealous person. You know, I'm happy for whatever life you have.

So what happened after she got married?

Oh God, no connection.

Done?

Done.

Completely?

Done, complete. Her daughter had a birthday party, you know, 'cause our daughter's kind of like the same age. So her daughter had a birthday party, wasn't invited, had to hear through the grapevine. You know, I'm like, these are kids. Like, why can't our kids be at least friends?

Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm like, why can't we still have the kids to be connected? Why do we have to be this way? And she told me, well, I don't think it's a good idea for you to come over here. I don't think it's a good idea. And then I just felt like she wanted to be around her NFL friends, 'cause they have, they connect in some type of way, 'cause they, husband's all in the professional world. So she just, you know.

I wanna know from you, how has she hurt you?

She hurt me because I just, by me, I'm a loyal friend and I'm a ride or die. And I'll just, I'm just, it just hurt my heart that people would use you and get to where they need to be and don't want, and once they get a certain way or certain lifestyle, they wanna change. You don't have to change 'cause you done moved up in the world. You don't have to disown me or make me feel like I'm nothing. I had your back.

Yeah, so it's time for us to come face to face. It's time for you to come face to face with your friend that you haven't seen in 10 years. Everyone, please welcome Bianca to the show. Welcome, Bianca.

Hi, how are you?

You are fly.

Thank you.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you as well.

So 10 years. 10 years. Y'all haven't seen each other.

Right.

You heard what she said backstage.

I did.

What's going through your mind?

What's really going through my mind is that my number has not changed in 20 years. So you could have called me. The whole situation about you got me a job because I needed money. No, I inquired. You didn't get me anything. I applied for it and—

No, let's be clear.

Hold on, wait. Let's be clear. Don't cut me off 'cause I'm not gonna cut you off in conversation. So let me finish. I applied for the job, I interviewed for the job several times, and I landed the job myself. I told you, appreciated you for referring me.

That's not true.

Referring me.

You didn't say anything to me.

Yes, I did.

You took the friendship—

Don't play games in my face, turn me down.

You took the friendship outta context.

Don't play games in my face.

And you did not say anything about nothing. Because we were friends and I didn't expect you to say, oh, thank you, I appreciate it. We're friends. But when you changed, that made me upset.

When did I change?

You changed when my daughter didn't come to your birthday party.

No, it was not because—

Well, Bianca, I wanna know this 'cause she says it really that you changed, especially when you got the man.

I did not.

Okay, from your point of view, what happened then?

From my point of view is that yes, prior to it, my relationship before with my, previous, um, situation. I did come to her for advice and things of that nature. That relationship was deaded, and then all, all of a sudden I met someone when I went out with my cousins. I met someone, and then we just hit it off. We were just hanging out all the time, going out, doing different things. He accepted my daughter and everything like that and was a father to my daughter. So I would communicate that with her, and she She was the one who was always like, well, let's go out, let's go to the club, let's go do this, let's go do that. It was like a whirlwind when I met my husband, and she knows that.

But why would—

I'm not going to go off the record.

Why would our relationship change though?

It didn't.

You just wanted to go to a club.

Not all the time.

Yes, you did.

We didn't even go to lunch, sweetie.

That's not true.

And not invite me to the daughter's birthday?

I did invite you to lunch.

No, you did not.

Yes, I did. Why wasn't I invited?

I disinvited you.

I disinvited you. Let's get it straight. I disinvited you to the birthday party because you would always come and try to confront me about, "Oh, you can't go out, you can't hang out because you got a man now, you can't do this because you got a man." That's what friends do. No, it does not. You should be more understanding and know that my situation changed, and therefore I can't go hang out in the club. I can't go hang out and go to this and that.

But did you tell me all this?

I did. You disconnected.

No, you did not.

You disconnected me from all of you.

And then on that point, every time you would tell me, you would say, Hey, why don't you— Oh, can you ask him? Can you go out? Can you get his permission for you to go out? I don't have to get anyone's permission to do anything. I'm grown.

You know why I said that? You know why I said that? Because you never— You disconnect from me. You didn't invite me to your daughter's birthday party. I understand the fact that a person get married. Let's be clear, I get that. But friendships don't end based on a marriage.

They sure—

Friendship—

You understand what I'm saying?

So you disconnected, you disconnect from me. You wasn't trying to be my friend anymore. You know, I ain't seen you over 10 years.

That's your problem. My number didn't change. Yeah, that is your problem because when we had the birthday party— Listen, you were invited to the birthday party. Don't get it twisted. You were invited to the birthday party.

By who?

By me.

So why did she tell us she wasn't?

Because she called me the week before talking about, "Oh, well, you don't wanna go hang out this week." I said, "No, I can't go hang out with you this week. I'm making party preparations." She was like, see, that's what's wrong with you. You don't wanna never go hang out and I got you this job and I did this for you and I did that.

Wait a minute.

I don't need nobody to keep telling me what they did for me, 'cause I said thank you. What more can I say is a thank you?

You don't wanna know that you had this birthday party through somebody else.

It wasn't through you. No, it was through me, Karamo.

No, it's not.

The main reason why you got, maybe you need some ginkgo biloba or maybe you need some lion's mane.

No.

Maybe you need something for cognitive function, 'cause you can't remember correctly.

It's been 10 years, so maybe you forgot.

No, I didn't forget anything. I'm steady.

What was it that made you stop talking though? 'Cause I'm hearing you say she was a good friend. I'm hearing you say that she did go out and then all of a sudden it does sound like you just started saying no. What was that reason?

I didn't just start saying no. We did go out. She's saying that I never ever went.

You stopped going. We did go out, but you stopped when you got married.

Let's be real.

I wanna hear Bianca's side.

Are you okay?

Karamo, can I talk? 'Cause I really wanna get to the bottom of this.

Okay, so the thing is we did go out. We went to lunch, we went to dinner, we went to the club still. But it was a situation where I'm not gonna do it all the time now that I am married. I'm not gonna go out all the time now, I'm not. Because it's just out of respect. I don't want my husband to do certain things, and I'm not gonna disrespect him by doing certain things.

That's just period.

Do you feel like Carmitha did not respect your boundaries?

Yes, she did not respect my boundaries. And every time I would say, she'd be like, oh, well, Can you go ask your husband for permission to do this or go do that?

And I never said that.

Yes, you did.

Yes, you did.

Were you clear about the boundaries?

No.

Was I clear about the boundaries?

It was just like, no, we not going. No, we can't do this.

I didn't say that. I don't even talk like that.

I wanna ask her. I wanna hear her. I wanna ask her.

I'll give you an example.

I don't even talk like that.

Bianca, let me hear.

Well, your example is wrong. Maybe you need to rethink it.

Let me hear.

You know what?

Let me hear. What did you give the boundaries?

Talk to the hand.

Yeah. Did you get the boundaries?

Talk to the hand. Okay, whatever.

Did you make the boundaries clear?

I did make the boundaries clear. I told her by time when I was, it was all new to me. Everything was all new to me. Like I have someone that I'm with. I wanna respect him. I want him to respect me in the same way that I respect him.

You're trying to build a new relationship. I understand.

Why couldn't she just understand that? It wasn't that I just, stopped talking to her, because I did not.

I'm asking him without you.

And I did tell her, because I told her before, I said, Karamo, look, she knows how I am. I'm non-confrontational. I don't want to be put in a corner or whatever, because I've worked on myself so hard to not just flip out and go like, wow. So if you want to stay going back and forth and bickering on the phone back and forth, I'm not going to do that.

It's facts.

I'm not going to do it.

What it is is that the bickering comes from being hurt. And so that's what we have to realize. She was hurt. She was hurt.

Well, you should have said that.

Well, you should have known that either way.

I'm not psychic. I'm not psychic.

You know I'm not psychic.

Have I ever treated you or said anything out the way to you?

Yes.

No, I have not.

Don't play.

I've been real with you, Karamo.

I like when people figure things out on their own.

Do not play.

Because I said—

Because let me tell you, we're gonna get to what I was about to say to y'all. And y'all both just said it right now. You were hurt because I had to make sure that the language was clear and you weren't clear enough about your boundaries. So both y'all over here are saying, I miss my friend, I need you. And you're like, I love you too, but I'm trying to also figure out how to navigate this new relationship. And y'all are not communicating clearly about that. And then you got in this cycle of like, she don't wanna be around me. And you like, oh, she get on my nerves 'cause she don't get I'm trying to grow.

Mm-hmm.

That's all that was happening there. This was clearly about not being able to articulate and say what's really going on in your heart. You were hurt.

Yeah.

Because the exact language you used with me is you said, "I hate that someone uses me." Mm-hmm. And I know that's what's lingering in your heart. What did you feel in that moment? Tell her.

I just felt like you didn't want me around anymore. I just felt like you didn't care. I felt like, you know, you got married and, you know, you married success and I just felt like you just left me behind. Like you didn't show me no love. It just took me to a whole nother level of thinking like I can't trust people now.

Now let me tell you something. None of that is your responsibility. Let me be very clear. Your responsibility is not to navigate her emotions. Can you at least receive what she said, understanding that wasn't your responsibility?

Yes, I can receive it because I've missed her as a friend. Like, I have missed her as a friend. There's been certain instances where I felt like, oh dang, Carmitha would've gave me great advice for this and she wasn't there. But I did not know the way that she was feeling, like I used her because I wouldn't use her for anything. I wouldn't use anyone. I would not use you. I'm very sorry if you felt that way, 'cause I did not. And I miss you as a friend. I honestly do.

Now I will say this, when you, she didn't set the boundaries and weren't clear about the boundaries, your feelings got hurt. And you gotta be able to navigate your feelings as well.

True.

Because I could see right now when you get hurt, you'd be like, ah, nope, nope.

I mean, that's normal though, right?

No, it's not. No, it's not. We not about to normalize unhealthy behavior. Behavior now on the Karamo Show.

Thank you.

No, ma'am, because I, I heard it. You saying, go talk to your man. Go. Can your man let you out? Because you were trying to see if you could provoke her so that she could show you some emotion, which would allow you to be vulnerable.

That's true.

That's why people do that. And so if you would have been vulnerable instead of trying to provoke her into vulnerability, then you could have probably heard her a little bit clearer.

That's a possibility.

Possibility. But you're hearing each other now.

Yeah.

You're hearing each other now?

Yeah.

Would you be willing to take the first steps to start to rebuild the trust and the communication in this friendship?

See what I'm saying? She give me that face.

I was just playing.

I was just— I thought you changed. I thought she changed.

I was just playing.

I was just playing. I am. But all of that, ah, that got to stop. Because I don't respond well to that. Like, that makes me feel like—

Girl, that was 10 years ago.

I know.

I jumped on you, girl. Whatever happened 10 years ago, I don't give a damn now. How about that?

I'm confused. I'm confused. You just did the same thing over. This is why I don't talk because you still got that same personality.

This is her personality.

What am I gonna do, morph into another person?

Everything.

And I'm gonna tell you this, I can see the personality traits that are so positive in you and I see the ones that are unhealthy and I just watched it get played out again. You had a bout of vulnerability and then Something triggered you and you went right back into the same behavior pattern. So if you wanna try again, she's willing to take the first steps, but you have to acknowledge that when you feel triggered, that you can't go into attitude mode.

Okay.

So are you willing to take the first steps?

I'm willing to try.

To try. You wanna give your friend a hug?

Yeah.

Okay, so me and Nay's been friends for over 20 years. Mm-hmm. And we did everything together. She was like this.

Yeah.

If wherever you see her, you see me and vice versa. She was there when my son was born. She's his godmom. And in April of last year, I accused her of sleeping with my now husband.

Mm, okay. And why did you accuse her of sleeping with your fiancé at the time, now husband?

I accused him because, okay, my fiancé is a barber, so he cuts her son's hair.

Okay.

So they would text each other, they had each other's numbers, but Nay Nay had come to things that we had, like gatherings at the house, and she'd be too touchy-feely with him. Like she'd come in like, "Hey, best friend," and then when she hugs him, it's like they're hugging a little too long for my liking. So on New Year's last year, we were playing spades. Me and Nay Nay was partners, my cousin Keisha and another friend were partners. So my husband walks past and as he's walking, she's Following him until he got out of view. Like, what the fuck is you looking at? You know?

Yeah.

So I think she was drunk, but she didn't notice me looking. But my other friend kicked me under the table like, did you, you know, see her look at him?

Yeah.

I'm like, yeah. So he got in the shower one night and that phone was sitting right there. I got that code, opened the phone, checked them messages, even looked in the deleted messages. I didn't see nothing. But before I did that, I accused him of cheating. Sleeping with Nay Nay and I called her and I was like, I think you messing with my husband. They both denied it. But me and him have infidelity in the past. He cheated at the beginning of our relationship.

Oh, and how long y'all been together?

3 years.

3 years. So in the beginning he cheated?

Yeah.

It could be because he cheated in the past, but it's like, it's too many things. First, the long hugs, the looking at him, and then like he could tell a joke and she laughing so much and he ain't even that funny. It's like she go out her way just to laugh and everybody else what's looking like. So it's like, I feel like something going on and I wanna get to the—

You funny for that.

To the bottom of it.

How did she react when you confronted her? Because you just come out the blue talking about, hey, you sleep with my husband and y'all are friends of 20 years. I mean, there had to be more than just like, okay girl.

So I called her over the phone and I told her I think she cheating and she said, no, I can't believe you accuse me of something like that. We've been friends for so long. And then I was like, you know, okay, I'm sorry, whatever. So when I looked at his phone and I didn't see nothing, I text her, "I'm sorry for accusing you of sleeping with him." She didn't respond back. And she's like a person, we always have our phone, we text back to back, back to back. So 2 hours pass, I called her like, "Hey, did you get my message? I'm sorry for accusing you." And she said, "Yeah, I got it, it's cool." And that was it. So in my mind, she's still mad. And I do kind of feel bad because I didn't find anything, but I just, I just feel like something going on and I need you to get to the bottom of it.

Has she ever done something like this before?

No, but she don't got a man. It's like she can't keep a man. So I'm like, do you want my man? I don't know.

What was going on? What were you about to say about the wedding?

So we got married in June. She was gonna be my maid of honor. She RSVP'd for the wedding and everything. But me and my husband— Thank you. Me and my husband decided to save money. So we ended up going to the courthouse. Instead, she never showed up to my wedding.

She didn't show up?

No, and that hurt me badly because even I apologized to you, I still expected you to be at my wedding after you knocked the phone.

How long ago was this? I mean, how long after you apologized was your wedding?

I apologized in April and I got married in June.

Oh, so it was pretty soon. Yeah. Okay. And had y'all been talking in between that time at all?

No.

No. Okay then. But you still thought she was gonna show up?

Yeah, 'cause that was a big milestone in my life, so I expected her to be there.

Yeah.

So I asked her after the wedding, I text her like, "Hey, I didn't see you at the wedding. What happened?" And she told me she couldn't get off work. And I know that's a lie. She got plenty PTO 'cause how she come here.

Yeah, okay. Okay.

Her birthday was in July. We was going to Chicago to Topgolf and she invited me. I said I was going, but I was driving myself. I'll meet y'all there. The time came and I didn't go. I was at home with my feet kicked up watching Lifetime. I stood her up like she stood me up for my wedding.

Oh, so you were being petty?

Yeah, I was being real petty.

What do you miss about your relationship with her?

I miss everything. Like she was my best friend. Like she was more close to me than my own sister. She got my deepest, darkest secrets and I got hers as well. I miss, "Hey bitch, like let's go hang out." You know what I'm saying? "Let's go get something to eat." Sending funny memes, you know what I'm saying? Like we would text all day while we were at work. I miss everything. I don't have that no more and it's kind of hurting my feelings.

Yeah, I hear that. I hear that. You told my Lock the Phone investigator that you wanted to know if Nay was inappropriately communicating with your husband, if Nay was at work on your wedding day. And those are the two main things that you wanna know.

Yes.

Okay, well listen everyone, I think it's time to hear from your best friend. Welcome Nay to the show. Hey, how are you doing? Thank you for being here. Okay, so how do you feel about what was just said?

Where do I start? Really, Tasha? Like 20 years? I've never ever, first of all, we don't even like the same kind of men. Let's start there.

Okay, yeah.

You know, me and Ken, I met Ken before she even knew Ken. Ken would cut my son's hair.

Okay.

So we had each other's number, we would text, or if I needed an appointment, I would call him. So once they got together, nothing changed. I don't feel like I had to go through her when I already knew him.

Yeah.

You get what I'm saying?

Yeah.

So you, what other, what was the reason?

What about for New Year's last year when he walked past, we was playing spades, you probably was too drunk, but when he walked in the room and he walked past you, Following him until he disappeared. What was that about?

Good night.

Good night.

Good night.

Good night.

Looking at Ken? What is there to look at?

Oh, so what you trying to say?

Girl.

See, you just laughing.

That's all I can do is laugh, Tasha, because you're a clown. You're acting like a clown because you know me better than that. We've been knowing each other since I was 13 years old.

Why you didn't come to my wedding?

I wasn't coming. After you accused me, why would I come? Why would I come to a wedding that you accuse me of? Messing with your son.

But why would you tell me you coming?

Did you lie and say you couldn't get to her wedding?

I did.

I was being petty.

Okay, so you're being petty. Okay then.

Absolutely.

Okay then.

So you're saying that you could have went to her wedding?

I could have went, but you didn't want to.

I didn't know.

Why would I go? You had just called me a few months prior to that.

I apologized.

That apology was a half-ass apology. What did you want me to do?

Come and get on my knees?

No, no, no. The same energy you gave me when you accused me is the same energy you should have came with for apology. Don't come half-ass No, I'm not going for that.

No.

Just like you thought I was going with you for your birthday.

That's fine, Tasha. But you letting your own insecurities get to you. Like, you know me better than that.

So, but I'm confused. She had never done this before in your life.

Never.

She had never given you any reason. She's not that type of person. These are your own words. Why do you think she'd wanna throw away 20 years of a friendship for, to like, do this?

I don't know. Like I said, it could be from him cheating in the past, but I don't know.

And I was there for you when he cheated.

They was just too, for me, they was just—

I helped you investigate, so I'm trying to get there.

And now I'm trying to get him to investigate you and look through your phone.

Please do, 'cause you're not gonna find anything. Nothing at all. I even stopped taking my son to go get his haircut from him just to make her feel comfortable, but you didn't tell them that, did you? Did you tell them that? Come on now, don't come up here half-assing it and just making yourself look like the victim, cuz that's not what it is. Tell the truth.

Well, maybe if you were my friend, I wouldn't feel like how I feel.

It don't matter about what I got going on.

But if she's taking steps as your friend to stop, she hears your discomfort and she's saying, you know what, I'm not even gonna bring my son here. Why aren't you looking at these steps that she's taken?

Because I just don't trust them. And then she go through my cousin Keisha to deliver messages. We both like, she's like the middleman between both of us. She call Keisha and tell her stuff about me. And I call when I don't wanna talk to her.

Okay, and your cousin Keisha is here today with us, right?

Yes.

Okay then. Keisha, I wanna know, how do you feel being in the middle of this? What is your thoughts on this situation?

They too grown to be acting so young. Y'all been friends 20 years since y'all was little tiny 13, you know what I'm saying? Popping shit, all that good stuff. But at the end of the day, they both should be held accountable for their actions. Because it takes two. You tell me what you doing, you tell me what you are doing, and what I tell y'all, tell each other.

Get me out of this.

Got it. Keisha, how's the fighting affected your relationship with both of them?

I still, it's just separate, but we're used to being a trio. We came trio. Now I gotta FaceTime separate instead of us being on a three call. We gotta be, I'm tired of telling my life separately. I wanna tell y'all together.

You just wanna tell it one time.

Exactly.

I don't got time for this.

I'm tired of talking separately.

Twice.

I'm gonna ask you, did you witness Nate flirting with Tasha's husband?

I wouldn't say it was flirting because, thank you, we, like she said, we don't like the same type of men. We, we don't, like, we ain't never ever had an incident where, oh, I think you messing with my dude, like none of that, you know? Yeah, um, ain't never seen no sideline kicking or no extra embraces, none of that. But like she said, it could have just been because of that has infidelity to where anybody, when you being cheated on, anybody can get it because anybody cheating with your man. So that's what could be.

You think it's Tasha's insecurities that's bringing this all up?

Yes, 'cause that's what you wanna do. No, I did not see any extra little.

Well, hold on, we just got a ping right now. My producer, we have a voicemail from your husband Kenneth. I wanna see what he has to say. I just wanted to say, since my wife accused me of sleeping with Nanae, things haven't been the same. We've been very distant and we barely talk. I'm hoping when the truth comes out that she'll apologize to Nate. So he's confirming that he's saying he did nothing.

They both saying it, but that don't mean I believe 'em.

So why isn't your husband here so we can unlock his phone?

He couldn't get off of work.

But your husband just said that your relationship has been the same since the accusations start. Do you agree with him?

Yeah, 'cause I be looking upside his head because I think that he, him and her got something going on.

But this my thing, why marry somebody, if this happened before y'all even went on and got married, why would you still marry him if you have these insecurities?

You just asked the question I was gonna ask.

That's a good question because I love him. Okay. We done all been cheated on before.

Okay, you said that he cheated on you 3—

I ain't got nothing to do with nothing, baby.

You said he cheated on you 3 years, when you started your relationship 3 years ago, in the beginning he cheated. How did he cheat in the beginning?

It was with a client. He was cutting someone's son's hair and I went through his phone and I actually saw proof and he took her out on a date and did, that's a whole nother story.

God. Okay, well that's the button I needed. So let's go ahead and I think it's time to unlock the phone. I wanna remind everyone, Tasha, you told my Unlock the Phone investigators that you want to know two things. If Nay has inappropriately communicated with your husband and if Nay was at work on your wedding day. We know one of those already. She said she was not. So unfortunately we don't have any results because Nay refused to unlock her phone.

I did.

But I do want everyone to take a look at this. My producer said they have something on security footage that they captured that they want me to see.

Okay.

We'd have the phone for like an hour, an hour and a half.

Oh, no.

So I don't know what's going to come through my phone in that hour, an hour and a half that y'all like on my phone.

Close your eyes.

I really miss my friend. And this shit hurts so fucking bad because I know I didn't do anything wrong.

How's it make you feel that she went and looked through your phone?

It hurt more because it's like you really don't trust me.

Okay. So I understand why my producers wanted me to see what happened. You're torn up over this. So first let's address, you didn't wanna open your phone, why?

I'm not gonna give her the satisfaction. You accuse me, you know me. Tasha, we've been friends for 20-something years. Like we haven't been through the mud together.

And I apologize.

Like that's not, I would never, never. You know how much I love you, how much I ride for you. Like I've always had your back and you always had mine. You have missed so many milestones within this year.

What has she missed?

Like I've lost 3 of my grandparents back to back last year and she wasn't there.

Did you know that?

I've been going through stuff, just life stuff and you are usually my shoulder to lean on. I shouldn't have to go through Kisha to vent when I should be able to come straight to you and talk.

But I apologize. What more do you want me to do?

Tasha, that was not— Why do you think I brought you here?

Why do you think I brought you here to try to mend our relationship?

But the thing is, is that if I can be really real with you, you didn't bring her here to mend the relationship.

You wanted to see if it was true or not. You're still thinking about it.

And that's the truth, you are. If I could tell you something, and I have a pretty good discernment on these things, when I just heard you say, you came out here and you told me that the reason you thought she was cheating was because she brought her son to his barbershop and you thought they were too close. And then when I just asked you right before I was supposed to unlock the phone, I ask you, how did your husband cheat? And you say, well, he's with a client that he got with. You went to the phone. And so I don't think you've ever healed from that because your husband is still in the same position that he's in when he cheated on you. And so you projected those feelings of insecurity that you have on your partner onto her.

And it's not fair.

It's not fair.

Well, I'm gonna apologize publicly. I'm really sorry from the bottom of my heart.

And I just want my family.

I'm sorry. I think that's all she needed this entire time. But I think that this is an eye-opening that you gotta have some deeper conversations with your husband. There has to be a boundary you set with him to start to help you to heal. All right?

Thank you.

And luckily you have a best friend here who I know is gonna stand by your side while you're fixing that. Listen, I wish you the best of luck, all right? Seriously, I'm glad y'all can mend it.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

All right friends, stay with us. We'll be right back with more. So how did you find out that LaJoy's best friend was a guy?

It's like when you first meet somebody, we single, so we doing that, but she works at the bar and the DJ's Tony, whatever. So I asked her like, "Is he a dude?" And she was like, "Yeah." So it was more of a red flag for me.

So what did she tell you about Tony? She didn't tell you immediately that it was a male guy friend. What did she tell you about Tony once you found out that he was a male guy friend?

Just describing how, What they talk about, confiding in each other, you know, like almost like therapy, talking with each other while they're out, sharing drinks after work. I should be that person, your person.

Got it.

But she's into, you know, crystals and spirituality, so this twin flame thing or whatever, and I'm like, oh, what?

Yeah.

And as I researched it, it really bothered me, like, Twin flame, like who am I?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So.

And how long y'all been together?

We've been together about 5 years now.

5 years, okay. Do you have a child together? Yes. You do? Yes. So 5 years together and you have one child? Yes. Okay then. So what happened to your daughter's birthday party?

So it's my daughter's second birthday. So you know, we booked the venue, whatever, but we need a DJ. Tony comes up, uh, and I'm like, okay, for the raid. I'm like, you know what, I want to argue.

It's for my baby.

This ain't about me. So, okay, we, we, we pay for it. But when we get there, I don't think you doing as much DJing as you doing, you know, getting close.

Got it.

With Joy, you know, and, and these sitting together laughing and everything. And I think, I think I tell pretty good jokes, but it— you ain't laughing like you laughing with him with my jokes. And I thought I was cool with it, but got it, got it.

So he didn't really DJ at the party, he was over there spending time with—

I mean, I mean, you DJing for kids, I mean, you ain't really scratching a whole lot. It's a lot of Baby Shark going on, you feel me? In all realness, 'cause it really, I was watching that. But it's my daughter's birthday. So it's like, how do I not?

Did you confront LaJoy after the birthday party?

Oh yeah.

And what'd she say?

She trying to put it off. Like, oh, we was cool. Like I told you, I told you about him. He cool. That's my bro. That's enough. Like I don't have sisters coming in there. I don't have sisses coming to the party.

If you had a close girlfriend like that, do you think she'd be concerned?

What?

All of y'all said yes. All of y'all like, yes. Okay.

Yes.

Yeah. If my unlock the phone investigators finds anything, what will you do?

I guess I had to move on.

Okay. Well, I think it's time to hear LaJoy's side of this story and she's here. So everyone please welcome LaJoy to the show. Hi, my boy.

Nice to meet you.

Thank you for being here.

Hello, hello. Thank you for having me.

Yeah, thanks for being here.

Why are you such a liar?

What are you talking about?

Lying about what?

So your insecurities is why we're here?

Here we go.

Once again, you're so childish. I can't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean. How would you feel if Patrick had a female best friend?

I wouldn't care.

You wouldn't care?

Because I'm not insecure and because before me me, before Patrick and LaJoy existed, he had friends. So for me to come in and say, oh, you can't talk to her because she's pretty, oh, you can't talk to her because she posts on social media, it's selfish and it's inconsiderate of his friendship and of his past.

Got it.

Just be respectful.

Describe your relationship with Tony for me then.

We're— we've talked about relationships. We talk about— because I was there before Patrick. Me and Tony were friends before anything. He was there when I went through my heartbreak. I was there when he went through his. We'll go out, we'll chill, like, hey, what you doing? Let's go grab a drink. All right, but you already know the problem. So then I'd be like, Patrick, I'm gonna run to the store. But I wouldn't have to do that. Before, I didn't have to do that. I was coming home like, hey, Patrick, I was with Tony. We went and got a drink. Then it was, oh, I don't want you talking to him no more. Oh, you can't go nowhere no more. Why can't I go nowhere?

But then you did start lying about where you were going.

I did, because I don't think that if I— But why do I get questioned if I don't question you?

But you lying though.

I wouldn't have to if you wasn't so insecure. So why do I have to question if you lying? Because you're so insecure.

Insecure?

Sis, what?

I let you—

Sis, no, stop lying, because we're here because you're insecure.

Oh wow.

But it sounds like he allowed Tony to continue, not allowed, but he doesn't stop you from having Tony in your life. You are still interacting. Tell me if I'm wrong. I'm going off what he said.

You're all the way wrong.

Tell me.

I had to remove him off of all social media because Patrick had a problem with him being on social media.

Okay.

He had a problem with his number being in my phone. I had to delete that off his phone.

So is that why you were confused when she said they sent memes? Because you thought they weren't on social media?

Now I don't because he's not allowed. I'm not allowed to talk to him. I'm not allowed to go to events if he's gonna be there. Why do I have to cut off my friends to satisfy ego?

So I gotta ask you clearly, have you ever slept with Tony?

No.

Okay then. Well listen, LaJoy's best friend Tony is here, so I think it was time to meet Tony as well. So Tony, come on out. Y'all gotta fix this. Nah, I'm not going back.

Now you being messy because you should've told me.

No, no, check this out.

But you part of it though.

But you should've told me you was coming.

So I wanna hear though from your point of view, Karamo, how do you feel about what's all been said? We've been friends for a minute. Okay. 9 years, 8, 9 years, something like that. And yeah, nothing's going on. Nothing really happened, you know what I mean? I'm not stepping in between y'all relationship. I mean, it sounds like you see, you know, trying to text me, we can hang out and all that, but we can't hang out. I just found that out. I didn't know that there was an issue.

Oh word. Oh word. So she texting you.

He's my friend.

What?

So if I say let's go for a drink for a happy hour, And this is my, why can't I go to a drink with a happy, like, I don't do that.

We could do that.

But you can't, why? Because the whole time we there, and if we go out, I'm like, hey, what you doing? I'm busy. Oh, I gotta go here, I gotta go here.

But you never said that was a problem though, so why you talking about that now?

Why do I have to tell you that when spending time with your woman should be a priority?

We could talk about that.

Tony, I gotta ask you, point blank, Do you have feelings for LaJoy? No, nothing like that. There was a hesitation there. Why was there hesitation? Oh, if she was to give you and say, hey, like maybe we could try to turn this friendship into something more, would you be okay with that? No, no, no, no. You wouldn't? No. I gotta give you my advice and I gotta be very honest with you. I've been trying to track y'all's conversation. I know y'all got a child together, but this relationship is completely unhealthy. And from my point of view, regardless of tone, Tony, you two have run your course. Y'all do know that, right? Okay, okay. Silence says more to me than anything. And I can't be in this position and not be honest of what I'm witnessing. The way that you all are talking about each other, the words that you use for each other, everything about this relationship is destructive. But you came here for answers. Yes. This is what I see as the truth, but here goes some answers for you. Tony, you were supposed to come here to unlock the phone and Tony, you denied to unlock your phone. So we couldn't confirm your interactions. Okay, great. Why do you decide to not unlock your phone? There's nothing in there. Okay, so if there's nothing in there, why couldn't we unlock your phone? Just a choice. Okay, just a choice? There's nothing in there. Okay, nothing in there. Like it was a choice not to tell Emmy that y'all hang out?

Right, right.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. All right, well listen, now it's time for LaJoy's phone. LaJoyce, we've unlocked your phone as well. Are you ready for this?

Mm-hmm.

Okay then. So Patrick, you want to know if LaJoyce has been secretly meeting up with Tony to have sex. LaJoyce said she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her GPS and found that she is telling the truth. Patrick wants to know if LaJoy is still communicating with Tony. LaJoy says she's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her phone and found that LaJoy is not telling the truth. Tony's cell phone number is saved in her contacts. So you two are still in communication.

Just because it's saved, it doesn't mean I'm still talking to him.

Okay. All right, Patrick wants to know if LaJoy is using any apps to communicate with other men. Lajoy said no. My unlock the phone investigator searched her apps and found that she is not telling the truth. Our investigator searched her through her apps and found Tinder is installed since 2020. My investigator saw that there was network activity, meaning it's actively being used. So you're actively on Tinder?

No, it's not even on my phone.

So our investigator searched through her apps, found that Tinder was installed since 2020. 2020 and saw that the network activity, which means it is actively being used.

I haven't even, I don't even have Tinder on my phone.

Okay, so, well, my unlock the phone investigator also searched your texts to see if you were actively talking to other men. And we found that LaJoy, you were not telling the truth. He found 427 text exchange between her and another man. The interesting part is that this other man was not Tony, and this was through the TextNow app. We also found 27 photos in explicit nature. Can I get an envelope to show you this?

TextNow is what I use for my job.

Okay.

So I communicate with everybody outside of my job.

Okay.

On TextNow.

Okay, but there was sexually explicit photos. As well?

I send Patrick photos.

There were sexually explicit photos of other men. You know who this man is? No. So this is the nude man that was on your phone. Do you know who that man is?

I do.

Okay.

Somebody I talked to way before Patrick. Okay.

So these are messages. These are also all the messages messages that we found through that Text Now app. There was a lot of sex talk between LaJoy and this other man. He told her, he used the words like, "I love you," referring to her as this queen and beautiful. And communicating with this guy is as recent as 2 days ago. The texts on the, these texts are from September of 2023.

Yeah, he's just a friend. Now he's somebody that I dated before, but he'll still text, "Hey, what's going on? How you doing?" But I don't say nothing sexual to him. I don't do none of that.

Patrick, how do you feel about this? I don't know how I feel, man.

I don't, I don't. It hurts, but you know what, babe?

I'm cool.

I gave my advice before this and I told you this was already, it was already done. I spotted it before I even knew what was in the phone. I didn't know that we was gonna find these messages with the other men. Clearly there are men out there who you engage, you like talking to that you're not having an unhealthy dialogue with. Discourse with because in this messages there's no unhealthy discourse. Between you two, there's an unhealthy discourse and there's a lack of transparency about what you both want and where you both need. And so what I'm saying to this is at this point—

Look how old that is. That is from 2018.

I don't even have that picture.

That's because that was before you. Look how I looked. Let's be for real.

Again, the messages go up to 2 days ago. The messages go up until 2 days ago.

Yeah, because if he texts and say, hey, good morning. Hey, good morning. What's going on? How you doing?

"Hey, how you workin'?" So let me say this, 'cause I understand that we've caught things in your phone. At the end of the day, you have to stop it. You have to say no.

But I've done that.

I'm like, "Don't do that, 'cause you know my relationship." Any response is a response until you say, "Don't." And I'm still like, "Don't do that 'cause you know my relationship." So at the end of the day, you know that it's an unhealthy relationship. You know you're not happy. You're not happy in this relationship. You know you're not. I asked you how you feel about this relationship. You said you feel trapped. You said you feel trapped in this relationship. I know y'all got a child together and I think the most healthiest thing for y'all to do is co-parent. Patrick, you came here for one thing. You want to know and unlock her phone to see if there's anything. You have all this in front of you from her TextNow app. You get to read through it and make your own decision about how they've engaged, how she did or did not stop it. So the question is, what do you wanna do from here?

I'm done with it. I'm done with it, man.

I don't care. I think it's the healthiest thing anyway. I think at this point, I think you do need to continue to co-parent. I think you do deserve support. You need to raise this child together, but this has clearly been an unhealthy relationship. Before I knew anything in this phone, it's unhealthy. It's unhealthy and you know it. You know it's unhealthy.

Maybe it is stuff that I have to work on and I have to heal from, the things that went on in our relationship in the beginning. And I don't think I ever forgave him.

Yeah, now that's an honest answer.

And I don't think I ever did.

Okay, that's an honest answer. That's an honest answer. And I'm sure there's things that you never let go of either, but that has caused a foundation of distrust and a foundation that has been rocky. So the thing is that Tony isn't the issue. There's other issues y'all have. This is not about Tony. Tony was nothing in this. I'll tell you, Tony, and you know, now that we're done with this, I'm glad y'all are over and I'm glad you got your answers. Tony, I'm gonna tell you this, you got some I'll explain to you with Emmy when you get to the house. I'll tell you this much, and you deserve a lot of answers when you get to the house because transparency needs to be reevaluated in this relationship. So keep your eyes open, okay? That's all I'm saying to you. But I wish y'all the best of luck. Seriously, I wish y'all the best of luck. God honest. So why do you say that your friend Julie Was being clingy in the beginning?

Well, I mean, in the beginning it started out where she would call all day, all night. She started going to the kids' school. She just, she started doing a lot.

How did you two meet?

Work. We met at work on lunch break.

Okay.

And that was the worst decision. So basically it was, so I think I was late for a break that day. I was actually on the phone with my doctor and she stood there in front of me until I was finished. And she was like, hey, you wanna go to lunch together? And I was like, I don't know. So that day I actually didn't go. I went the following day. So we met on break and she has been with me since break.

It's interesting that on the first day since break, okay. It's interesting that on the very first day you had some reservations. What were you feeling on that day?

I don't know, she's just, she was just weird to me. I don't know, she was in class talking about her cat and she had to go take it to daycare and she, okay, so, well, let me back up. She was talking about Molly and I was like, how old is Molly? I'm like, Molly can meet my nieces. She was like, Molly's a cat. And so I'm like, I was like, oh damn.

So that's kinda like was your first red flag?

Yeah, so I was like, okay.

She's just different.

She would even sing songs in class and get mad when people told her to like be quiet. She's just really different.

I can't lie, I got friends that are eccentric like that. You know, my best friend Trey, he doesn't like when I bring those friends around. But like, I'm somebody who don't judge and I'm like, yeah, you be you. You know, if your cat named Molly and you think she a child, great. Let's go for it.

Right.

But I understand that's not for everyone else. I get that. Right. Okay, so you told my producers that she tried to dress like you?

Man.

Yes, so—

And she did her hair like you as well?

Oh yes, you see, she never wore her hair like this. Julie came back with curls and I just tried to ignore it. I was flattered at first.

Yeah.

I'm like, somebody, well, okay, I'm popping, right? No, she's crazy.

So why did you let Julie move in with you if all this was happening?

She was sleeping in her car, and so basically I just didn't wanna see her out struggling and homeless.

And who else was living with you at the time?

My then husband and children.

Okay, so she moved in with you and your family? Okay, yeah. So this caused an issue for you in your home?

Yes.

So my children were like, when is she leaving? She's asking me personal questions.

Questions.

She—

hold on, she's asking your kids personal questions? What do you mean?

So my son, I have a 17-year-old, he started dating. She would ask him things about him and his girlfriend. Is he having sex? Um, I'm a rapper, right? She kept getting deposits for me to perform and didn't even tell me to go perform.

Got it.

When you hear her, you'll understand.

Well, you said we better hear from her, so I I think there's no better time than to meet Julie. Everyone, please welcome Julie to the show.

Hey, Julie.

Can I have a hug? Nice to meet you. You look very pretty.

Thank you.

And different style.

Today.

Okay, for today. So how does it feel to hear your former best friend say these things?

It's very hurtful to me.

Girl, bye.

It's really hard that we're in this place.

There she go.

It's like, she is like the sister that I never had, you know?

I do have siblings, but I don't have a relationship with them.

Hold on, we gotta ping really quickly.

That's the damn tattoo. Listen, she got my name tattooed on her. Y'all, we didn't discuss this.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm looking at it now. What do you—

That's my name, Avion.

Hold on, okay. You got, why did you get? Yes, please explain because you got her name tattooed on you?

I did. Nobody asked her to do it.

It's my only tattoo, right?

I know what it sounds like.

Hell, like, I'm a fan of hers, you know. A fan.

It was kind of like to show her that I was like team her. She misconstrued it, you know. I thought she would be happy about it, but it made me look crazy.

Let me explain something. She has people thinking that we have been in a relationship. That tattoo really made everybody like, okay, I know y'all was— I'm like, no, Well, you would.

So yeah, I mean, it does send a signal.

Uh, right.

When I was, when I was 22, I was young and out there, and I, and I put an ex-boyfriend's name on me, but it was my ex-boyfriend. We was together, and I, I was crazy in love.

And she just crazy.

Oh my God, hold on, we got another ping. See, this type of stuff moved me to the mountains. And the—

see this right here? Let me tell Lemme tell y'all something. Some of my family is on her page, psychopath, and they called me, they was like, "Hey Deuce, did you see that?" I said, "I see that dumb shit." Why did you call her your wife?

Crazy.

People do it all the time.

No, no, the hell they don't.

I know what it sounds like. I sound crazy, but I promise I'm not crazy. I would tell people that we're in a relationship, but I know we're not.

So—

You are crazy, bro.

Like—

You got me at a loss for words right now, and that's never me. So you were telling people that you were in a relationship?

Yes, they would stop and ask me.

They was like, "Congratulations on your engagement." I said, "To who?" Hold on, 'cause you're smiling about this, and I need to understand where did this come from?

So, okay, so I love hard, right?

Don't love me that hard.

When I care about somebody, you know, And just like, I'm all about that person. May I have gone about it the wrong way? Yes. You did. But everything that I did, it was kind of like, it wasn't like in an obsessive way. It was more so like, hey.

That ain't true.

I care about you. You know, I'm team you. I would never do anything to hurt her. But it was more so like, hey, I thought it was the, you know, the wife thing. I thought it was like funny.

No, that's psycho.

Listen, I asked you a million times to just be you. And I was like, listen, we can be cool as long as you chill. Why you couldn't chill?

Oh, that was my way of being chill.

Girl, bye.

Well, Julie, my producers are telling me right now they got a confession from you for Avion.

Avion, I confess I did dress like you. Imitation is a serious form of flattery. Yes, it's true. I did create a social media page, but it was a fan page. I took your photos. I created an Instagram account so I could show my dedication and get followers, you know, to see that I'm a fan of yours. I did tell people that your kids are my kids. I love them like they're my own. I posted on social media that you are my wife. I did it because I love you. Not because I'm obsessed or anything like that. I got this tattoo of your name because I'm a fan of yours. I wanted to show you I support you. So what better way than with a tattoo? I'm not obsessed with you. I just love you and care about you and support you. That's all.

Uh, the girl, I know I don't even want to do this with your dumb ass. I don't want to see your dumb ass no more. That's stupid.

That reaction makes sense. You can understand why she's upset. You just confessed to starting a profile under her and also saying that you told people that her kids were yours.

Okay, so that's true. I'm gonna go step by step. The kids part, right? I'm African and in African culture, your friend's kids are your kids. Your sister's kids are your kids, you know?

I understand the village mentality. This is our tribe. Yes, I get it.

It was in that sense. I don't have children of my own. Her kids, I felt like I would do anything for them too since they are an extension of her. Got it. It was in that sense.

Okay, this is what I gotta say to this. I understand that there is a justification in your mind for each of these things and I'm gonna have Avion come back out in a second, but there's something called intention and there's something called impact. And I guess I understand your intention is to do one thing, but the impact that it has on Avion or anyone else is the opposite. Your intention is to show, yeah, I love you and I admire you and I think you're amazing. The impact is you're invading my space and you're making me uncomfortable. And so the lesson I would have for you as you walk away from here, understand Boundaries, intention, and impact. You stopped communicating and you started surprising, and nobody likes to be surprised. I do believe you owe her an apology for those things. Do you agree?

Sure.

What part?

I say all of it. I just told you either you can learn the lesson here or you're gonna have this situation happen again. Can we have her come back out? I get how you reacted, girl. I get it. Thank you for coming back out and dealing with this.

She can save it. And lemme tell you why, 'cause I was watching. She didn't even know what part to apologize for. You admitted on camera you had been telling people my children were your kids. She kept lying to me. She kept making fake pages. I don't believe she's sorry.

Got it.

And then I don't wanna hear nothing till that tattoo covered up anyway.

Got it. Well, I'll tell you this. You don't gotta hear it to receive it. But you should finish with that apology.

I apologize sincerely for the negative impact I had on your life. I made people think you were my wife. I really sincerely apologize for that. What about this money part?

Because she's saying that you took money under her for bookings. What is that? I don't recall.

She's a liar. Let me tell you, people would steal stop me. Like, hey, we booked you for a show, you didn't show up. And I'm like, what? Let me see the page, her page and her Cash App.

Okay, so you have proof of that?

Yeah.

'Cause she has the proof. So it's either you own it now, she has proof.

So you didn't do it. See what I'm saying?

So the thing is, is that what happened here is that there is a pattern. And so this has now went from past intention and impact to now I'm doing actually things that could harm you and harm your brand and your business and your family. So for you, I would not contact her again. I'd keep your distance and I would make sure I watch my behavior going forward because this type of behavior here, we now can see a pattern. If you ever do this again, it can end you up in jail. So watch yourself, okay? Watch yourself, seriously. I'm just, this is Big Brother trying to warn you, girl. Trying to warn you. I'm not trying to insult you. I'm not trying to do anything but warn you. Let this be the first and last, 'cause she did the kindest thing of bringing you on a show to kind of talk to you. This could have got a lot worse for you. You feel me?

She don't believe it.

I know. I wish you the best of luck. Protect yourself and I wish both of y'all the best of luck, all right?

Thank you, Karamo.

So Dakota, please tell me why are you here today?

So basically I'm here because my old friend, her name's Aria, basically we had a lot of falling out basically. Really realistically, the main thing that we fell out about was a car. Basically we went half on a vehicle and we had a lot of problems that happened with the vehicle and stuff that we had to maintain. And realistically I was supposed to buy the vehicle back from her. And those plans failed. It just didn't happen.

So you both shared this car?

Is this your car? Yes.

Okay. And this is after something happened to it or is this how?

No, that's how we bought it.

Okay, you bought it like that.

And we fixed her. Yes.

Okay, you fixed her up. Correct. Okay, got it. Yeah, they young. They get a, my first car wasn't cute. Like they young, they young.

Okay.

Okay, so y'all had that car. The understanding was that you were supposed to buy it back so it could be totally yours. Correct. Okay, and what happened?

She would never let me see the car. You get what I'm saying? Basically she, Me and her, basically she is like a dictator. You get what I'm saying? It's a dictatorship. It's not a democracy with her. So it's kind of like it's her go or no go. You get what I'm saying? So it was like, you know, I was working and things, you know, I didn't really need the car. She was at home, she's a couch potato. So me on the other hand, I'm like, okay girl, well go ahead, take the car, you know, ride you and your friend around. Just make sure that when I need to use it or when I need to get from work, let me do that. That never happened. She never came through on her end. So basically when I do—

And what would she say when she didn't come through on her end?

Find a way, find a ride. You have Uber, you have Lyft, you work a job.

Interesting. So what happened the night of the car incident?

So basically what happened was I woke up one morning, imagine she had just got done riding all her big-ass friends around in the car. So of course, why wouldn't the car be on flat, okay? So I had went outside, start the car, I pulled off, I'm feeling a flat. I'm like, oh my God, so I gotta go home. I'm like, I can't go to work, gas station is nowhere near. She got AAA, you get what I'm saying? So if anything, the car gonna be fine. It's a donut in the back, but I don't have time, I gotta go to work. So anyways, I call her, I hit her up like, girl, look, girl, I gotta go to work. So she get mad or whatever, she like, oh, you probably trying to call off, you trying to go see your boyfriend or something. You just trying to play me over the car. So I'm like, girl, catch me at Burger King, I'll see you there. Okay, so anyways, we go to Burger King. So I go to Burger King, I'm there like 20 minutes. I had just got done counting my drawers. Just got done. I must look up, I see her big ass with her uncles and stuff in my face. So imagine she is being very like provocative towards me. You know, at this point she's leaning over the counter towards me and stuff. Imagine she's like 6'7". Babe, I'm 5 foot. My manager literally had to literally come get me because Ari was trying to literally, she was getting ready to grab me over the counter 'cause she was so mad about this car. So imagine she—

But she's mad because you said the tire's flat, come get me? I'm confused.

So she thought that I took the car and I hid it in the parking lot at work. That's what she thought.

Mm, okay.

So basically she rode around looking for the car. She didn't find it because it was at home at my house. So by the time when she did get to my house, I was still at work. So my mom and my uncle was at home and they were like, well, we not giving you no key because we seen Dakota pull up with that car and he left the key here. So he the only person that's gonna get the key and move that car.

Yeah.

So you might as well go on ahead, wait for him. "He'd be off in a few hours, just go on here, chill out and wait." So she didn't wanna do that. She wanted to be very ignorant, cussing them out, calling them out their name and stuff. I guess she didn't never think that that was gonna get back to me. It got back to me. By the time I got off, I didn't even call her. I ain't even do nothing. I'm like, "I'm gonna let her chill out." You get what I'm saying? I hear her outside yelling my name. So I'm like, "Oh my God." So I go outside and basically she wants to argue about where's the car key. I had the car key in my pocket. But I didn't tell her that I had the car keys. So basically she wants to argue and say like how I'm so fake because I stole a vehicle and how I sabotaged it because I slashed a tire and this, that, and the third. And I'm like, sister, go over there and look at the tire. It's completely flat. There's no slashes, there's nothing wrong with it. It's flat. Why would I slash one tire? Make that make sense.

Yes.

Who does one tire? Okay, and I put money into this. Like, are you serious?

Yeah.

Okay, so we are arguing and stuff, so it gets real. Very high rated. So I must have probably, you know, came at her weight or something 'cause you know, she's uncomfortable with her size. So basically, you know, I made one of them little comments or whatever. So she got mad.

The comments you've been making this entire time. I got you a little shady with it.

So basically, anyways, so basically I was making the comments, she got mad, so she like jumped at me and I started running.

Okay, okay.

So 'cause she did, 'cause baby, I had to run. And then in the midst of me running, I'm like, you got a taser. So I stopped running and I turned my taser on and I started zapping. She instantly stopped.

Somebody say, yes, that's right.

She instantly stopped and she got to running herself around the other way. So I'm chasing her. So the police pop up. I went in the house. I ran right in the house. So I'm in the house. So the police talking to my mom. They said, hey, we need you to unlock the door because you have to let us in because we have to arrest him. You'll be going to jail for harboring a fugitive. So my mom like, oh, hell no. You know, my mom's like, okay, well I'm gonna open this door 'cause I ain't got nothing to do with this. So I heard front door open. You know what front door mean? Front door mean, baby, you better hit this window and go ahead and keep it running. So what I did was I opened that window real slow and when I tell you, I just slid right out the window and fell on the rocks so quietly. I ain't have no shoes on or nothing. I fell on the rocks, I hopped over the gate and I ran to safety.

Got it. So did you get arrested?

No, I didn't get arrested.

Okay. He know how to tell a story, don't he? I was like, it's our time. So since that time, have you spoken to her?

No, I haven't spoken to her. I mean, I probably seen her like once or twice at a gas station, but it's like she's constantly steady like trying to harass me and like come for me about this vehicle.

Do you miss your friend?

Do I miss her?

Yeah.

I don't miss her at all.

I don't know if I fully believe that.

You don't fully believe that?

No, I don't fully believe that. I don't know if I fully believe that. How long were y'all? How long have y'all been friends?

We've been friends since I wanna say I was 15.

How old are you now?

23.

23, okay, so yeah, it's been some time. 8 years, 9 years, almost a decade. And Aria is the one who called the show, right?

Yes.

Yes, so clearly she wanted to see you even though you saying you didn't wanna see her.

Correct.

Well listen, I think it's time to hear from Aria and see what Aria has to say about all this.

Everyone, welcome Aria to the show.

You know the taser he's talking about? What taser? It was a buck hunting taser.

Knife.

He put a knife on me. I should have put a knife. He put a 10-inch blade on me and my— and how do I get to come? I called them. How do you think they came? What are you talking about?

So you called the police?

Yeah, my nephew was terrified.

Literally, she is.

She don't dive through the—

I can be big.

I'm big and beautiful. Look at you. A mess. She's over— a mess, girl. Look at you. You need to do that foundation better. I know you and them teeth still bad. Get it together.

Yellow.

What do you want? What do you want to say to the So much because, okay, so you know how he just tried to sit here and say that, oh, he put his money into that car. You saw how that car was when we got that car. I put $2,500 of my own money that I make because I'm a boss into that car. He didn't put a dollar in it. You stole it from me. You had all your friends. I don't care about no brakes. I put a TV in it. The car needed brakes, rotors, and struts. Let's not go there.

So you really think that he sabotaged the car?

You know how he said, "Oh, it was on a flat." He put the tire on a flat in front of me with the same knife he pulled on me and my nephew. So I don't know, it was never on a flat. He never wanted me to use that car. Yes, I pulled up at Burger King and tried to fight him. He was a little too close to the hot grease, so I didn't wanna grab him. So I waited till he got home because I knew when he got up and I pulled up to his house. You should've, but you didn't.

So you saw him walk out of the house and stab the tires with this knife you said he had?

Yes, right in front of me and my nephew. And her, where's my friend? 'cause I know she's here in the B of Illusion. Please stand up.

Hey, your name is Jasmine, right?

Get her up here 'cause I ain't gotta lie about nothing.

So Jasmine, you were there.

Yes.

Did you see Dakota take out a knife and stab the tires?

Yes.

But it was at least 3.

Is there a possibility, Dakota, that you came out, stabbed one of the tires? You gonna tell me if you stabbed the tires.

I ain't stab no tires. Every single one. Why would I stab the tires? He tried to stab the window with a knife. Let me explain this to you. To you, why would I stab some tires if the vehicle was gonna be mine in 2 days?

Dakota, did Aria post stuff about you on social media?

So Aria did. I'm so glad that you brought that up. So basically my friend called me, my best friend, his name, rest in peace. She like, girl, you need to get— She had an idea, they just don't talk no more. Rest in peace. Girl, girl. I'm like, girl, I'm like, what's going on? Like, get on Facebook now, go on Ari's page. So you know, I'm like, okay, gimme a minute. I'm in the drive-through, I'm taking these orders. Hard worker, that's why I'm skinny and small. Anyways, like I was saying, okay, I go on Facebook and my damn socks fell off because I'm seeing my state ID. You stay out wearing them either with the church shoes, that's funny. But girl, you don't even can fit a sock, so don't even start. Girl, my shoes are skinny, what about you? Non-factor, this is our show. Anyways, like I was saying, like I was saying, I proceed to proceeded to go on Facebook, correct? When I got to her page, the first thing that was there was me, my state ID, and sexual videos of me. And I should have posted social tea.

Sexual videos?

They're still on her Facebook to this day. But in my defense, it wasn't like it was him doing something personal. It was him with two boys that had boyfriends, and I exposed him. I didn't post the video on Facebook. She was jealous that he did something that day. But I sent the video to the boys.

She was upset.

And a lot of other people in the community. So yeah, he just got mad 'cause he got exposed to being a whore. She was jealous that she can't be a whore, she's so big. What I can't be a whore for? I could be a better whore than you.

Why did you expose him? I mean, like, in all sincerity, like—

'Cause she was jealous. Because I was mad about that car, if I'm really honest with you.

She was jealous. All right, you called the show, why did you call?

I did, because I didn't think he was gonna get about that. 'Cause she miss her friend. I did, I did. She miss her friend. I didn't wanna keep doing me wrong. There you go.

Are you tired of doing it wrong?

Is he tired of doing me wrong? Who's he about to tip the table?

Are you tired of doing her wrong?

I can't do her if I had a machine to do her. Baby, you couldn't afford to do me. You could never afford to do me. You don't make enough at Burger King. Girl, stop that. You couldn't even afford your mom. And that's where your outfit is from too. And I can write you off on my taxes. Did you not consider a friendship? I thought I did, but I didn't know he was— What is wrong with you? What is all this energy for?

Why don't you want to repair the friendship?

I don't want to repair a friendship with her because like I said, it's a dictatorship. It's not a democracy.

So before the fight, what was y'all friendship like?

This is my closest friend in the whole world. He would never know it. We were like Siamese, we were sisters. So basically, me and her, we really fell into each other, you get what I'm saying? And we became close friends and stuff. So it kind of became more than friends and it kind of turned into like a family ship.

Yeah, because for y'all to be able to buy a car together, you have to be—

Correct, I was living with her and everything. This is my other half. So she had to sleep on my bed every night and look at you through the TV.

Did you support each other?

Most definitely, we supported. We were 50/50. I feel like I supported him way more than he ever supported me.

I have to tell you, regardless of this, I ain't gonna take that much notes on this because I can see this already. This is what breaks my heart here is that this silly moment where of course y'all were too young. If I was around, I would've told y'all too young to go into some type of financial investment together. And so because of the love y'all had, y'all are like, let's figure out how to do something together to support each other because clearly you both need You need the car. You're both trying to do something. No, no, no.

I had a whole plan. Negative, negative, negative. I didn't need a car at all. She told me that she needed me.

Okay, so you said you needed.

I needed you for $1,000.

She says she needed you.

And she used me. You look like you need the money, if anything.

Regardless of if you needed the car or not, you then still made a financial decision when you were young and you weren't able to handle the implications and how to actually go deal with that. And what has happened here, what breaks my heart is that there was a true friendship. For friends to come together and say, I'm gonna support you whether you need it or not. For you to say, let me help out, let me be there for you. Especially in our community, we come for each other, we help each other, we gotta support each other when nobody else is there. And it breaks my heart a little bit because I'm like, I see through all the little shady comments, I see through all that. It's like, you lost your sister. You lost your sister. And that's it. And you can make all the shady comments, Y'all make shady comments to each other all the time. I get there's a bit of joke, it's unhealthy, but I get it. But at the end of the day, there had to have been true love there. There had to have been true love there. And a year, don't take that true love away. Especially when what broke y'all wasn't something like that's really hurtful. It was a car.

It's materialistic.

Materialistic.

Well.

Would you really wanna go another 20 years because of a car? Not being able to find out how your sister's doing, see what's going on?

I have love for my sister. If my sister, if anything was to happen to her, I'll be at her funeral. But right now there's nothing to say to each other. That's so shady. There's nothing.

Why is there nothing to say?

Can I tell you why? There's just nothing to say.

'Cause I know why.

I know why.

But I have an assumption because if he just said that on your Facebook page still to this day is the things that broke him, which was his ID and these videos.

Yeah.

Yeah. You need to commit to your mistake.

And to this day, he's still not paying my money I put back into that car either. So my feelings and my pockets are broken. I'm not gonna lie to you.

So you're not willing to take down those videos?

No.

Okay, let me be clear. I never posted the videos. I posted the screenshot of a video. You could see them.

Are you willing to take down all the screenshots?

To delete his ID?

Everything that you have.

And everything.

And she hacked my Snapchat. I'm so sorry to interject. She posted those on my Snapchat.

I did. I did, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

She gotta delete it.

If we bring your phone out right now, will you delete all this stuff?

No, 'cause I ain't got no data. Y'all got Wi-Fi?

Yeah, we got Wi-Fi.

So low class. Do I feel like being nice? Okay, I'll put my best foot forward. I will, I will.

You'll delete it?

I will, I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it.

But he making it seem like it's for nothing and I don't like that.

You took a step further and I'm not gonna lie, that would've hurt the hell outta me if you would've posted my sexual intimate photos, my ID online. And the fact that they've still been up, I understand I understand that. I get that. And so you taking a step to delete this, we're getting your phone right now, I think is a big step. But this is bigger than that.

It wasn't necessarily, like I said, just about the car. It was the fact that, like I said, I put all that money into it. And then he didn't even take it and run off and keep the car. He junked it for $500 like a crackhead. What is wrong with you?

I'm gonna give you $500 when you leave.

Don't tell me that.

I'm gonna give you, no, no, I'm gonna give you $500. I'm serious. Really? Because I understand that the $500, 'cause you saying it's about the money. So if you gonna delete this, I'm gonna give you the money for him, $500, I'm gonna give it to you, all right? And so now you have that. So now the narrative you have in your mind, because both of your lives are worth more and the friendship and the family you have is worth more than any of this. So I'll give you the $500. So now you have your money, you about to delete his stuff off of your page. Now with that, you back at square one. Can you look at your sister? Can you look at your brother and tell him you love each other?

I never lost love for you. For real? You so fake.

You so fake.

Sister.

Yeah.

I do love you. Uh-huh. I will try to fix everything with you and work on a better relationship with you from now on.

Can we hug it out?

You better thank him. All right, listen, we gonna make sure, 'cause I'm gonna come back there, we gonna make sure Make sure you come back there and you delete this stuff off of Facebook.

I got you. All right?

So I wish y'all the best of luck, all right? I really do. I wish y'all the best of luck.

I'm being sincere.

Like, I understand what I did was wrong, and I hope me taking this step can make it right.

I got you. Like—

OK.

It's all gone.

Let me hug sister. I love you, Phil.

It's OK, sister.