16 Other Kids & You Deny Mine?! | KARAMO

So when did Ray Ray first ask you for this DNA test?

In a hospital right after I had my son when we was starting to do like the birth certificate and everything.

Okay, yeah. Why y'all say wow? That's not that unreasonable, right? It's not like he asked her 4 weeks later. He was like, girl, let's find out right now, right?

Yeah.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

I mean—

That's my opinion. I know y'all little judgmental.

But like what I see from it is like he was denying my baby like 3 years through the pregnancy and stuff like that. And then—

Which must have hurt you for that.

Yeah, I was, my, during my pregnancy it really crushed me, I should say.

Yeah, I'm sure. Because were you two in a committed relationship?

No.

You were not?

We never was in a relationship. It was, that was my lil fling.

A lil fling. Okay, got it.

And it just progressed over the years.

How did you two get together for the lil fling?

He was like a family friend and I met him and it just went from there.

Got it, okay then. My producer said there's an age difference. What's the age difference?

About 25 years.

What? Yeah.

I met him when I was 19.

Okay, okay. Do you like older men?

Yeah.

Got it, okay then. 'Cause that's old.

Yeah.

I mean, I thought, you know.

For a 20-year-old, I ain't old, you know what I mean? But I'm not calling us old, you know, we young, but you know, for a 20-year-old.

Yeah.

Had you been with any other men before you got pregnant?

Yes, I was, but it was a new thing and we had protective sex, so I know for sure it's not his.

It's not his, okay then. Is it difficult to get Ray Ray to spend time with your son?

Yes, of course.

Okay then. So let me go back because if you took the, he asked for the DNA test in the hospital, what happened?

We was doing the birth certificate birth certificate and everything. And then he was like, oh, he wanted his son to be a junior. Well, I said, I don't want him to be a junior. So we got into a little conflict with that. And then once we signed the birth certificate, he was like, do y'all do DNA tests here? She was like, no, we don't do it in the hospital anymore. So you're gonna have to get it elsewhere.

Got it. Okay then. Why do you think Ray Ray hasn't been involved?

I gotta say, no shit, no play. Oh.

Really?

Yep.

So he feel like he, if you're not sexual with him, then he doesn't want to interact with the child?

Basically. That's how I see it.

That's how you see it?

Yeah.

Okay then. How often has Ray Ray seen your son in the past 6 months?

Twice.

Twice?

Yeah.

Okay.

You don't come over. That's my baby.

You said that's my baby. Which one are you talking about?

Not him.

Okay, listen, I just wanna be clear, okay? I just wanna be clear. You know, I just wanna make sure there was no more attachments. All right.

No, there's not.

Has he ever had your son overnight?

Never. Never. Not once.

Okay then. So what happened 2 weeks ago?

2 weeks ago he called me and was like, "Hey Lamerio, I don't wanna start an argument, but I seen your ex at Publix and I think Trey looked just like him." And I'm like, that was just my breaking point.

Yeah, of course. Of course.

Yeah. Of course.

Does Ray Ray have any other children?

Millions of them.

You said millions. Stop playing. Y'all play too much. Not millions.

Yeah, he got, I'd say about 8 kids older than me.

8 kids older than you?

Yeah. And then after my son, he had one 2 months after my son and they just kept going after. He got like 5 kids after my child and 2 pregnant right now.

Hold on, that. Okay, hold on. Okay, you said 8 plus 5, 13. Then you said yours, 14. And then you said there's 2 more, 15, 16?

Mm-hmm.

What? You really? Mm-hmm.

Confirmed?

Confirmed. Okay. Why? Okay. How many mothers do you know?

I don't know. I know he got 2 from the one that was born 2 months after my son.

Yeah.

And then the other ones, I guess, just each one have one.

Got it.

How you doing, Nakul?

Good, nice to meet you, sir.

Nice to meet you too.

Yes. So Ray Ray, tell me, why do you have doubts about this child?

Well, I always had doubts. It just, when I was in the hospital, I wanted DNA.

Yeah.

And we got into conflict, you know what I'm saying? So, and then, you know, I seen her ex at the store the other week.

Yeah.

And the baby look just like her, him, and her daughter.

Me and my baby daddy been together for so long to like, you know what they start looking like, you know?

Well, I don't know that math.

I look like him.

He looks like me.

I don't know that math.

I don't know what I'm saying either.

I don't know that math. So you say just 'cause they hang around, they look alike?

No, no.

No.

He looks like you.

Yeah, my kids look like, both of my kids look like me.

Okay, but he said that also looks like you.

Me and my child. Me and my ex, we have similarities.

On features?

On features.

Okay, got it. That's what you're saying.

So it's like, but—

So from your opinion, was she with another man during the time y'all were together?

Yes, yes, yes. She told me that at the motel.

But we never had a relationship yet though.

Who, me and you?

Yeah.

No, no, I don't want a relationship with nobody. Like I'm single now. But if she had just, I didn't wanna come on this show.

Yeah.

If she had just left it like it is, you know, I take care of, I pay child support, I pay Social Security.

That's the only thing he do is child support.

Yeah, but you know, I try to— He wouldn't be on child support if he get his child and step up for your child. I have all the kids.

I have all the kids.

He on child support because he don't wanna do for his child.

So you are paying for this child?

Yes, yes. But you know, I'll watch the baby too. Now my day start off like this here.

Okay.

I say, for instance, I go to work. When I come from work, I had to get 2 kids off the bus at 4 o'clock.

Kids, that's after mines.

Not the timeline.

Don't be playing with me.

Don't play too much. I'm a grown man.

Keep going. Keep going. What's the timeline? But they hear my cuz.

OK. You know, I'm working. Yeah.

Say in the phone, 4 o'clock, I pick 2 kids up off the bus. From then, from 5:30, I leave that baby mama house, I go watch 2 more kids to about 9:30. 9:30, I get to my house. I have 2 more kids there.

Autumn, Trina's out of their minds now.

Yeah, from 9:30 to 6:40 in the morning. Then I'm back at work. I don't have no time.

Okay.

But then I tell her, she'll call me while I'm at work. You need to get your son. Well, look here, when I get off work, When I, 9 o'clock, bring 'em to my house. Well, I don't have no damn car.

Well, he know I don't have a car. He have 4 cars, 4 vehicles.

Ray Ray, you don't have no time. Why you having all these kids?

You don't like a condom?

Girl, you ripped me up, girl. A better yet, Ray Ray. Why not get a vasectomy? I know men are scared of that, but you know that takes about 30 minutes of your day, does not hurt at all, and you'll be—

Yeah, I know that, you know, but—

'Cause is it true you have 16 kids?

Yes, probably more, but you know, I take care of my kids. I'm not questioning you take care of them.

I'm not questioning that because she's She's already said that for the one that you're in questioning, you're paying for. So I know that you're financially supporting. What I get more concerned with is the emotional support that every child can get.

And he's not there.

I understand too.

He's never been there. It's been 2 years.

At first I started out, you know, I watched the baby for a little second when you were doing hair. You doing hair?

I do hair.

Then she took the baby and moved to Miami. She ain't tell y'all that, did she? Because what was he doing?

I had to get myself together. I had to better myself for both of my kids.

And he was not gonna help me.

Let me ask you this. Yes, sir.

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Yes, I'm gonna tell you like this, yo. It seems bad, yeah, I was dead wrong, but it was one time. But the first time when I met We didn't have no, I pleased her without sex. You know what I'm catchin', what I'm talkin' about? I pleased her like that, yeah. That's when I was with my wife, but my wife left me. You know, then now we get intimate. Yeah, we get intimate, you know what I'm sayin'? I don't even, free game to me, you know what I'm sayin'? I'm livin' off the land now. Okay.

Everything is a game to him.

No, it ain't no game, I just, you know what I'm sayin', I'm havin' fun.

So what happened, 'cause my producer said you also moved back in with your wife at some point?

Yes, I moved back in with my wife, I think Lemire, She had to be about 3 months pregnant. She called my wife, inboxed my wife and told her that, "Yeah, Ray Ray got me pregnant." He say he leaving you for her, described how the house look.

No, no, first off, I still have the messages in my phone from where I text her and I did not just stop on the house.

You say you didn't, I tried to get you to show the internet.

I did text her and let her know that yes, I'm pregnant and he's not stepping up to do what he need to do for his child.

I'm doing good, I feel like— But did you think she was texting because she want a relationship with you? Yes, I believe so. I never, never, never, never, never cheated on you. She got to the point that she tell me that she love me. You know I'm a guy, I'm a woman, I'm a guy.

Like I told you, yes I did catch feelings for him being young and dumb, but once I got pregnant, I didn't want no relationship with him.

Yes you did, yes you did.

No I did not, you lying. You did, I'm fucking lying.

I believe you did.

Well, how did Lamerio react when you asked him?

You brought me up here, I did not wanna come up here.

How did she ask you?

Pay for the DNA test, if you would've paid for it, you would never have to be here. Well, it's just wrong.

How did Lamerio react when the DNA test came back? When you asked for the DNA test at the hospital?

She got hysterical, so the people thought that I was abusive to her or—

Because he wanna argue with me about his name, he's not a junior. And he tryna say I named my son after my ex.

I got my son.

My son's name is Tre'Jen.

Well, why couldn't it be a junior? Because you want that.

You got juniors.

No, I don't.

Yes, you do. Well, you better, all them children you got, you ain't got no junior.

If this ends up being your baby, if this ends up being your baby, are you gonna be more involved in his life? In his life?

No.

Well, I'm gonna be honest with you, you know what I'm saying? Only way I can do that is she gotta meet me halfway. My schedule is so tight. If she can fit in my schedule, I'll be glad to watch the baby. But if you can't fit in my schedule—

His schedule's so tight because them children after mine. Why you won't take care of him? It's been 2 years, you haven't even done nothing for him.

Them kids, they mom work, that's why I watch them kids.

Okay, well, when I was doing part-time— So if I don't watch them, if I don't watch them, they can't go. Doing my little part-time job doing hair and stuff, he did not wanna do nothing.

Well, listen, I think it's time to get the DNA truth. Lemario, are you ready? All right, come with me.

I ain't got no hatred for you, none of that, baby.

So Lemario, in this envelope is the DNA truth of who is your child's father. You have been waiting almost 2 years for this information, and in this envelope is those answers. It's your truth to open up, mine to hear. Here you go.

Why you giving me that? Well, this your baby. I'm tired of you. You need to step up. Do something more than what you're doing. Because you don't do nothing at all.

You better meet me halfway. I'm not gonna change my lifestyle.

All right.

You meet me halfway.

Okay.

If you can't meet me halfway, what we could we do?

Mama?

But you don't meet me halfway. You know I don't have—

You want me to watch your baby while I'm at work? How I'm gonna watch your baby while I'm at work?

Okay, watch him while you got him butter churning.

I told you that. You bring him to the house.

I'll go home. No, you can put the other children in the car seat and bring him to the house. You know I don't have a vehicle. But you know I don't have a car. You have 4 vehicles.

Uber.

I'm not Ubering nowhere. You got cars.

You was in Miami, I sent you money to go Uber.

No, you got cars. No. You ready for this?

I've been ready.

Okay, me too. I'm sick of you. Lemuria Ray Ray is Trayshun's biological father. Let me see it. Thank you. 'Cause I'm sick of you. I'm tired of you. Now you got your truth, you need to step up.

Yeah, well, okay, I'm gonna do that, but what can I step up and do?

Okay, well, I will tell you something. I do everything. Before you say this, hold on, hold on. There's two things that I'm noticing, and Ray Ray, you're gonna be surprised to hear this. I actually agree with you about the request to meet you halfway. So I understand your frustration as a young woman. You've been tired of this. It's been 2 years, you're exhausted. But you said that you need some support with childcare. You said you need him to watch the child. And not once on the stage has he said, "No, I will not watch the children." He said, "If you bring them to the house, I will bring them there, I watch them with you." Okay, but he's not, I'm trying to get myself, I don't have a vehicle at the moment. I get that, I get that. And I hear you as well. So I think the conversation needs to be more about like, because what happens is you're hitting a brick wall on a conversation that neither of you are negating. He's not saying like, "I don't wanna take care of the kid." He's saying, "Yes, I will watch it." So I think about this is where the co-parenting and the communication has to work better. And so what I'm just trying to bring this out is so that you can leave this stage and have a better way of communicating for the child's benefit. And what I believe in this situation is that it could work. And the only reason I don't know your full story is from what you have asked for on this stage, he has said he's willing to give both financially and both time.

Why do I have to come here to get it?

You do boom in here.

I know, I know. I understand.

I didn't ask you to come here.

Because you didn't wanna do nothing. He could have paid for DNA tests multiple times. You could have went to halfway with that too.

We know the truth right now. That's what I hate. So unfortunately you have to let go of that now. And I know it's frustrating. I know it's frustrating, but you have to let go of that now. You could have got these answers earlier, but you didn't. So now what I'm trying to do is give you some advice on how to co-parent so that you can have support for your child. What's going on? 'Cause I can see you're frustrated.

Just aggravated.

You're aggravated, I know. What's making you aggravated? Talk to me. Talk to me. I think you're a great mother and I know what you're asking for.

She is, she's a good mom.

But I'm helping you to see that there has to be ways of communication because if we get stuck on one topic, the only person who's gonna suffer The person who then is not benefiting from this is that child. Here you go, love. Okay? Now, though I've given her that advice, Ray Ray. Yes, sir. You also have to understand that she's a young mother.

Yes, sir.

You made the decision to be with someone young knowing that at that age they're not financially in a place where you might be in your 50s.

Yes, sir, I understand that.

And so, so as much as I'm telling her she has to compromise, she has to find a way, I do appreciate the fact that you're saying, yes, I'll be there for the child, drop the child off, You also, she's telling you right now, I don't have the means. I cannot get there. I cannot get there. She's saying, she's pointing out the fact that you have 4 cars and I'm not telling you to give her a car. I don't know your financial situation. I don't know what, but as well, this is now where you, if you're saying I'll do it, you have to also model better communication and better co-parenting skills so that she can say, okay, he's gonna step up. This is a large part of your responsibility as well.

I be trying.

So you're gonna have to try harder.

That's point blank.

That's the point blank. Before you gimme any excuse, you gotta try harder. And the reason being is because again, when I'm on this stage, the only thing I'm concerned about is the mental health of you both, but also the welfare of that child. Because as he gets older, these things he'll take personal.

Yes, I think about that too.

Yeah. Second thing I'm gonna say is you have to put on a condom. Enough is enough, okay?

Yeah.

Enough is enough.

Enough is enough, okay? Ray Ray, I know you think it's a joke, Enough is enough. I don't think it's okay. Because listen, this is what I am nervous about. Again, telling you what I do for a living, working with child welfare. These younger kids especially who have now been fathered, when you're in your 50s, you'll be in your 70s, I hope you live to be 100, but there's a strong possibility that child is gonna get to a place at 18 where you're gonna be older, elderly, and not able to give what a child of that age needs. So it is imperative at this age you instill and give and be there as much as you can because the emotional foundation has to be established now. There's no time later for the emotional foundation to be given. So you gotta do it now, okay? So please, Ray Ray, I ask you, put on a condom and try harder. Okay? She like that shit. Listen, I wish you both the best of luck. God honestly, I wish you both the best of luck.

It gonna get better.

Okay.

But she gotta, like I said, she gotta meet me halfway.

Have faith. Have faith. Your child needs you to have faith, okay? You should have faith. And I understand your feelings of why you don't trust it. It's been 2 years you felt like you weren't getting the support, but you have to trust it, okay? Because if you're closed off, that's only gonna affect the child, all right? Again, I wish you both the best of luck. Thank you for being here. On my show, I unlock phones, and now I wanna unlock your best self. You need someone to talk to who will listen and give real advice with no judgment. That's what Karamo AI does. Text me, call me, download Key, and let's start talking and growing.