5 Miscarriages, 43,000 Texts… What’s He Hiding? | KARAMO

So let me tell you, this is the last warning I'm gonna give you about raising your voice to me on this stage. The last warning. So when did you start receiving messages from this woman?

I had just moved to North Carolina to live with him in Charlotte and start my life over, and I got this text basically saying that I'm unsatisfying him, but I'm right here in his face.

Okay. Did you know about her?

I found out about her from him personally, but she was also stalking me. And liking things on Facebook and commenting on my pictures from a fake page. And I confronted him about it and he said he didn't know who it was.

He said he didn't know who it was?

Yeah, he's like, I've never seen this message before.

And so did he ever admit to anything?

Eventually when we were in Charlotte, he admitted that he was messing with her before I came there and he had cut it off with her. But from these text messages, it doesn't give that.

Totally, it wasn't, yeah, from what he said.

Especially when she was telling me that I can't have kids by him.

Hold on, she sent you more messages?

Yes, she sent me more messages, 'cause I responded back to her, yes.

But yet it's still over here telling me one more baby won't hurt and that you can't even have his kids.

Yeah, yeah, we've had 5 miscarriages and I'm thinking, you know, maybe we can't have kids because he's out here spreading his sperm to everyone else.

Okay, so 5 miscarriages. First of all, I'm very sorry.

Yes, yes.

'Cause I know the toll that takes on your body as a woman and that, Also mentally and emotionally, yeah. Has he ever cheated on you?

Karamo, I lost count.

You lost count?

I lost count.

Let's make a guess. You think 5, 10?

That I've caught?

That you've caught.

That I'm knowledgeable about, I would say on one hand I could say at least 4 or 5.

4 or 5?

Yes.

So 5, okay.

Yes, within a span of 6 years though, so.

Yeah, I got it, 5.

I mean, not trying to give him excuses at the same time, but.

Okay, I hear you. Well, I heard your side of the story.

Yeah.

So I wanna meet Rayvon and hear his side of the story. So everyone please welcome Rayvon to the show. Hey Rayvon, how you doing? Nice to meet you, man. Nice to meet you too, sir. Why was this other woman messaging Ariana?

I can't give you any answers to that, sir. Like I said, me and that woman were messing with each other when me and Airiana had a break. I can't control what another person does.

Well, in that message she did say personal details, so you can control if you share the things that went on this relationship.

See, and that thing, and that's, that's the details I don't even remember sharing to her.

Well, clearly you did because it came up in the message. So why did you think it was appropriate to share that she can't have children?

Again, I don't remember sharing that information to her. I mean, I probably could have.

But she's the only girl that has said that though.

There's been multiple girls every day.

So hold on.

So though you can't remember, you did. So I'm gonna ask you again, why did you feel it was okay to share?

I can't give you an answer to that, sir, to be honest with you.

I think you can find an answer to that. So I'm gonna ask again. The fact of the matter is that you shared because it was revealed from someone else who is not in this relationship. So why was it okay for you to feel like you shared? Did you need an outlet? Were you feeling overwhelmed? There has to be an emotion of why you felt like you should share.

Me, I mean, there have been multiple times when me and girl has just like, you know, I guess vented and talked about, you know, our situations and what we got going on. She's told me stuff about, you know, stuff that she had going on in her life and her situation. So I guess I just shared what I had, you know?

Okay then. So you felt like you needed to vent?

I guess.

Okay then. Okay then. Do you consider the two of you in a relationship right now?

Right now?

Yes. You can say that, yeah. You can say that or yes?

Yeah, I'm finna say the amount of time that we spend together and stuff that we have, yes, you can say we're together.

Yes.

Yes.

You're together?

Yes.

Okay. Have you ever cheated on her?

In the past, yes I have. And I've, stuff just happens. I can't give you no definite answer as to why I cheated.

I think you can. So why did you cheat in those relationships?

I was fresh outta high school almost. Yeah, I was fresh outta high school almost. I was becoming—

I was 22.

I was becoming a person that I didn't see myself. So like I had opportunities and stuff coming to me that weren't always there. So I guess I just took it.

Okay. Now I think it's time to unlock the phone. Ariana, we unlocked your phone. Rayvon, you wanna know if Ariana has been DMing other men. Ariana says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her DMs and found that Ariana is telling the truth. Told you, I don't lie. Rayvon, you wanna know if Ariana has any dating apps on her phone. Ariana says she does not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched her apps and found that Ariana is telling the truth.

Come on, give me some love.

Come on now, please. Rayvon, you wanna know if Ariana is texting other men. Ariana says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched her texts and found that Ariana is telling the truth.

What'd I tell you? What'd I tell you? What'd I tell you? I'm a cheater? What'd I tell you? You mad?

But I need to heal. But I'm not doing nothing wrong to you. I've been nothing but loyal to you this entire time. I've done nothing to you.

What does that make you feel knowing that she actually has been loyal to you this entire time?

That's nice to know. I'm finna say that's some release, I guess, relief.

Okay.

Do you even care? Because that's what it sounds like, do you not care? Like—

What am I supposed to do, jump for joy?

Yes! Just like I would if I, we hit, you go through your, what? We go through your phone and I find nothing, do you know how happy I'm going to be? I'll stop accusing you of shit. I can leave you alone on that tip.

You should already be.

Oh, excuse my language. I'm sorry.

You do not need to apologize.

Do you get what I'm saying?

All right, well, Rayvon, we unlocked your phone. Ariana, you wanna know if Rayvon has been using apps to receive money from other women. Rayvon says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his apps and found that Rayvon is not telling the truth. Rayvon received 6 payments from a woman named [MASKED] totaling—

Oh, that's my wife.

That's fine, that's fine.

Okay, relax.

Totaling $1,908.

Again, that's my mother, that's for rent.

That's great.

All type of stuff. Like, come on now.

Okay, that's fine. Okay, look, look.

You know, we're only here to search and go through it and get the answers. We don't know who the people are in your life other than the two people on the stage.

Yeah, you right, you right.

Don't get mad, don't get mad.

Question, why did you feel like you needed to calm him down when his behavior before when you found out you weren't cheating was very calm? I'll get back to this.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Ariana, you wanna know if Rayvon has been calling other women. Rae'Von says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his calls and found that Rae'Von is not telling the truth. Rae'Von had a total of 800 calls with a woman named since May 17th.

That is my friend from Michigan.

She really is.

You cheated on me with before. What do you mean she's just your friend?

No, listen though, listen, listen, listen, listen. But you know about that relationship though. Me and her have not had a physical relationship in years.

Why is it cool with you to be friends with somebody that you had sex with before?

She called me every once in a while.

I sometimes didn't even answer the phone call. That's not every once in a while.

Literally.

800, Rayvon?

800 though?

It's not.

I call you though.

It is 800.

I call you though.

It's not that many times.

It is 800 times.

It's not, it's not. I know for a fact it's not.

So what I would like you to do is not try to gaslight me.

I'm telling you. I'm not trying to gaslight you, sir. I know for a fact what I do on my cell phone and how many times I talk to that woman. If it was another woman, Sure, perfectly fine. But that woman right there ain't no way.

So what I'm gonna tell you to do is first of all, lower your tone with me. Secondly, I want you to know that 800 calls have been made since May. No, I'm telling you one more time, since May of this year. This is what we have pulled data from your phone. So we are tracking the data that is in your phone, which is why I came up with this segment.

Very much so inaccurate. Very much so inaccurate. 'Cause I barely, You could call that woman right now.

I don't need to.

Right now and she would tell you. I don't even talk to her like that.

So one more time, I'm gonna tell you.

The hell?

So let me tell you, this is the last warning I'm gonna give you about raising your voice to me on this stage. The last warning.

Please let us finish.

Okay. Ariana, you wanna know if Rayvon has been texting other women. Rayvon says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found that Rayvon is not telling the truth. Drayvon has 43,863 deleted text messages from 4 different women. Hey, Ralph, can you come up with the evidence bag? Well, before I give you the names of some of these people that he's texting, there was one that was most shocking. This is from 2 days ago, And it said, "My love, I told you, I'm miscarrying." It's the same stuff, blood, cramps, fever, and body aches. So there's a woman that he is talking to 2 days ago that is miscarrying.

Okay.

We together, what do you mean okay?

Did that message state that the baby was mine? No. Yes, I am talking to somebody who is having a miscarriage, but is the baby?

No.

So out of the messages, there was—

My love, I told you, I'm miscarrying. It's the same stuff, blood cramps, fever, and body aches. My love, my love.

So it's not your baby?

So out of those, you wanna know the message? We have them here for you to look at. 655 were from, 4,200 were from.

And she just posted a picture talking about her boyfriend.

She posted a picture on Facebook and I seen it. I seen it in your phone, it's saved as her contact in your phone. It's the same picture she posted and she was like, I love my boyfriend so much.

In my head I was like, oh no, he's not messing with her.

There's no way, bro.

And you saw my results. You do this to me every time. Every time, bro.

So on top of the messages, we also have the accompanying photos that were in the phone. We have—

I literally told you there's a whole—

I know you have photos, but these is recent. These is recent.

Nothing to say? What am I supposed to say? First, an apology.

I don't ever get an apology.

Accountability. You just told me that your words were that when you got together, you cheated. And you said it's because there was things I had available options to me and I hadn't grown as a man. Those were your words. So in the 5 to 6 years you've been together, you've continued the behavior. And as we know, as of 2 days, you're still continuing the behavior. So from your own statements, you still haven't grown as a man.

I guess you could say that, bro. It's just so, whatever you say.

The reason that I'm being silent right now is because I understand some individuals like yourself What you mean individuals like myself?

There is nobody on this planet Earth like me.

What you talking about, guy? So what I know about individuals like yourself is that you thrive in chaos. Thrive in chaos? So the more that you can get other people to match your life.

You don't even, bro, you don't even know nothing about me. I don't even deal with chaos. I am the furthest person to deal with, come on now.

So individuals like yourself who thrive in chaos and use language that is aggressive or telling stories in circles, it's how you find yourself out of situations where people no longer are focusing on your behavior, but yet are trying to figure out how to calm you down, how to help you, how to solve things. It's manipulative, it's destructive, it's not healthy. And there is a way because you're only 26?

Mm-hmm.

There is time for you to grow out of this. And I actually do have empathy for you because I don't know your backstory, but I do know that there is something that has led you to this place. And there is some type of love or support that you did not receive that is making you feel like this is what you have to get. But that is no one else's job to help you grow through that. That is your own job to grow through that. I'm gonna ask you, Ariana, because this is gonna be the first step for you. To reclaim some of your power. Would you like Rayvon to sit on this stage or would you like him to leave?

I need him to be respectful to you.

Oh, I'm done. So I'm asking you, do you want him on this stage after the things you've just found?

Get my bags and give me the fuck outta here.

—here, take me to the airport right now. He wanted to run regardless. You don't worry about that. You don't worry about that. That has been a manipulation tactic that he has used your entire relationship. That has been a manipulation tactic he has used his entire relationship. Did you see how I handled him? He can't combat calmness. He can't combat facts. What he's done his entire relationship is keep you wrapped up in the chaos so that you are consistently consoling him and feel indebted to him. And I know this hurts, but you said something to him is, "You're not giving my space to heal." And that is a lie. You're not giving your own self the space to heal. You deserve more than this chaos. When you walk off this stage, I need you to say this mantra to yourself every single day. Anytime, 'cause I know when you go back there, he's gonna do exactly what he's been doing. And when he does things to defend, to deflect, to gaslight, to manipulate, I want you to say, "I don't deserve chaos." I don't deserve chaos. If he says, "You know what, that girl, no, no, she did this, that girl, no, I didn't do that. Oh my gosh, I didn't do this." what is your response?

I don't deserve chaos.

If you can say that out loud every time he does that and stay equally as calm, I promise you I have given you the first step to breaking the bond in this relationship and also rebuilding your self-esteem. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. Yeah. I wish you the best of luck, okay? Thank you. All right, everyone at home, stay with us, friends. We'll be right back with more.