6 Kids with 4 Women, Are You Still Doing Drugs? | KARAMO

You the fucking liar!

Liar! Justin! Everybody swear I'm the problem, but I'm doing what I can. I got 6 kids and I still give $100 a week per kid. I got 2 kids with Tasha and 2 kids with Sasha. My first baby mom is Tasha and my last baby mom is Sasha. It can be a little confusing at times. And like I said, I got 6 kids and they're not the only ones. I got rent and other bills. I got so much to deal with. And my baby moms say it's not enough. They don't see how hard I'm trying. Tasha and Sasha, they stay talking junk. And sometimes my mom team up with them. They just need to get off my back. Half of the time, I can't even talk to the kids on the phone because when I'm beefing with their mother, they won't let me talk to them. My two oldest are in Florida and they've been there for about 6 or 7 years. They don't even respond to me anymore. I haven't heard from neither one of them in about 2 months. It breaks my heart knowing that I can't talk to my kids. I would love a better relationship with 'em. Sometimes I feel like I'm outnumbered. I'm not a bad father, I'm doing what I can, but it seems like it's never enough for any of 'em. They can take my money, but they give me no rights as a father, and I'm tired of it.

All right, Vincent's ex, Tasha, is here to tell her side of the story. So everyone welcome Tasha to the show. Tasha, while you were watching that, you had a lot to say.

Hey, how you doing?

I'm really good, how are you?

I'm great.

So Vincent, is he a good father to your kids?

What do you call a father? 'Cause that ain't it.

What do you define as a good father?

Someone that is there, that answers the phone, that's always there. He never answers the phone. My kids call, he leaves them on read. Just be there, like be a listening ear 'cause that's really all they want.

So Vincent, he said in that video that you keep the kids from speaking to him. Is that true?

My kids got their own phone lines. They're 17 and 16. How could I keep them away from him? He keeps his self away.

Got it. So at this point you're not in between that relationship at all?

No, that's not my relationship. That's his relationship with his children.

So why does he think he, why does he blame you then?

He blames me because I moved away and gave my children a better life. I mean, who wouldn't wanna move away and take their kids and give 'em a better life, so.

So you moved to Florida so that the kids can get better, have a better life.

Absolutely.

And he feels like at that point you created distance.

Yeah.

That you created the issue.

So basically when I was moving, he was like, "Oh, they're not my children anymore. I don't care about them." Oh, he denied them. Yeah, he always denies my children. This is nothing new. This is like an ongoing thing. He loves the blame game.

Okay, and what do you think is the real issue here?

So the real issue is Vincent being on drugs.

Mm. Mm-hmm.

You think he's on drugs?

I know he's on drugs.

What drugs?

I'm not too sure what, but strong enough to have him out of it.

Got it. So you feel like most of the time he's out of it and that's why he can't focus or engage?

Yeah.

Okay then. What happened the last time your daughter was with him?

Well, we came to New Jersey and my daughter wanted to see him and the other children and we were in the car and we were outside of his other children's mom's house. We were outside and he brought the girls down, the two little girls, and he brought 'em down and he was holding his third, my fourth kid's mother's, the little girl, and my daughter was in the car and she seen him nodding off. So my daughter gets out the car and she grabs her sister and she's like, "Give me my sister." And she gets back in the car.

You was a fuckin' bitch.

He never once had a conversation. You was a fuckin' bitch. Never once had a conversation with— Bitch, you was a fuckin' bitch. Why the fuck is you lying to them?

You was not lying.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I didn't lie to people like that. Bitch, you was a fuckin' bitch.

I want you to know.

You was a fuckin' liar. I'm lying? You moved outta the place, bitch. Listen, I'm lying? You was a fuckin' liar, bitch, man. You was a fuckin' liar. Trifling. Vincent, Vincent, Vincent, how you wanna expose and talk junk? You can't talk junk about me, boy.

Why he destroy my shit?

I'm a mom.

Why he destroy my shit? What's wrong with him? Has he lost his mind? I don't play those games. And actually make sure he know he need to come out here and grab that and go put it back himself. How's your relationship with Vincent's mom, Sandra?

So me and Sandra's relationship is off and on. I feel like it's because, like I said in the last episode, it was more of like, you know, he was stuck on her breast. Now I feel like she just don't, she ain't cut that umbilical cord completely. So I love Sandra. Now Sandra is like, she loves my kids, but she's like playing tug of war right now. At this point, she needs to let go of him and be there for the ones that need her.

[Speaker] Got it. So lemme tell y'all something, 'cause there's something that y'all might've caught she said on another episode. So there's something I always say on my show and I say, hey, another 15 years, I've said this on other episodes, I'd be like, another 15 years you don't want your child sitting on the stage talking about you. So that's why I try to resolve stuff. You were actually on Uncle Maury's show.

17 years ago.

17 years ago. And now here we go. Well, now we're gonna get to this. I'm just giving y'all a little context. We're gonna get to this because 17 years ago you were on this stage with him as a young man, you as a young mother, the mother saying that this child is not yours. It was a whole bunch of stuff going on.

And him putting me down like I was a hoe, but now it's a problem when I'm reading you.

And so there's things that's going on because that's why you're saying on the last episode you saw there was an issue between— Right. Yeah, okay. I mean, I understand your point of view as a mother, but I also do want to hear what he's saying about all this because clearly making the accusation that he was holding his child on drugs is a very serious accusation. You do get that?

Nodding off, yeah. Yeah, but— But I'm a mom, so I'm gonna speak the truth.

I understand that. That's your truth. We don't have proof yet that that is, you understand? Do you want him to take a drug test today? Would that make you feel better?

Yes, that would make me feel great.

Because that would give you some clarity. Okay then. Okay then. That's fine. So do you have a relationship with Sasha, the other mothers? No, not really?

So with the second mom, we are all right. I mean, it is what it is. With his third kid's mom.

Yeah.

I kind of respect her a lot because she tries. Like she contacts my daughter, she talks to my kids. When I tell you she's there, like if her and Vincent still go together, you would think. I give her all respect for you to do that because—

She's trying to like make sure.

Right. So I give her respect for that because she don't have to do that. She's not with Vincent anymore. As far as Sasha, I have no respect for her.

Okay.

Because how could you keep having kids by a bum?

Got it, got it.

Like, what is wrong? You had one, you seen the struggle and you still chose to have another one.

Well, you had two too.

Yeah, but I had two first. He wasn't like that.

Got it.

He was never like this. When we were together, he was never like this.

Got it.

Now he's like out there, like I don't understand. And the world knows, so it's not a secret. So putting it out, it's not gonna be easy.

So what could have helped to make you mend your relationship?

With me and who?

With Sasha. Is there anything that could help that mend?

Sasha needs to like, She needs to learn communication.

Okay.

My kids wanna have a relationship with their siblings, you know? But it's hard for them to reach out to babies.

Yeah.

They don't have phones. My kids have phones. They had phones since I lived in Florida.

Got it. 'Cause how old are Sasha's kids?

I know she just had one like a couple, a month ago.

Okay. Oh, so hers are really, really babies.

Her little girl, she's like—

Young, young, young.

Yeah. Sasha's baby and the girl before her, their babies are like the same age.

Got it. So it's young.

And then it's, So he has 3 sons and 3 daughters.

Got it, got it, got it.

Mine's are the first 2.

The first 2 and then everybody else is young.

And everybody else is just—

Got it, got it. Well listen, I think it's time to hear Vincent's side of this story. So everyone please welcome Vincent back to the show. How you doing Vincent? Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. I appreciate that. Vincent, I'll tell you this. As I said this before you even know, before you came out here, I could understand your frustration because if you were being accused of being on drugs while holding your daughter, that would make me upset too. So I can fully understand your emotion. I appreciate you picking that up for me. If you said you were doing all that you can for your kids, can you please explain?

Well, I wasn't doing shit for her, for this bitch and her kids, because she all the way down in Florida. So what am I supposed to do? Like, you know, I give money here and there, but I can't even see the kids. She don't bring 'em up here to see me or nothing. She brought one kid that one time, and then she's just here and lied to y'all face like that. But you know, I ain't no—

So what is she lying to our face about? She's saying that she—

Oh, she seen me not when I was holding my daughter.

This is disrespect, and I respect you. My daughter said it. Yeah, but your daughter Your daughter's a fucking liar. You're a born liar. Your daughter's a fucking liar. It doesn't matter.

You're a born liar, Vincent.

Why would my daughter lie? You's a bullshitter. You're a fucking liar, man.

Isn't that your child?

That's right, 'cause I'm gonna catch you.

And when I catch you, I'm gonna kiss you.

Girl, boy, I'm gonna kiss you when I catch you.

Vincent, isn't that your daughter as well?

No, that's not my daughter. I don't have no daughter by Tasha. I don't have no kids by Tasha.

That's right.

I don't have no kids by Tasha. Look at the camera, I have no kids by Tasha.

None, none at all. That's right. All the cameras. No kids.

Take your kids and move the fuck out. My kids grown. I don't got no kids by Tasha. My kids grown.

You on drugs, you don't never talk like that.

And that's why I don't like your kids, 'cause you on drugs.

That's right, you need help. You need help. You need to see somebody, Vincent.

Okay, Vincent.

You need to see somebody.

Why do you feel like the women in your life gang up on you?

'Cause they ain't got nothing else better to do.

Okay.

You down in Florida, you worried about me. If I was up here doing drugs, why is you down in Florida worried about me? You down in Florida worried about me. My son loves you.

Say it, say it tonight.

You talking about.

Didn't you see that? Didn't you see that?

Don't test the other shit you talk about, bitch.

Okay, so Vincent, you were on Maury Povich's show with Tasha and it was confirmed that these children are yours.

I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck.

So 17 years later, you're denying the children that you confirmed to be yours.

No, I've been denying 'em, just like she said.

You heard her. Thank you.

But why would you deny 'em?

Because? 'Cause their moms are bitches. None of your kids got a dad.

Listen, I gotta ask you. You don't got no baby daddy. That's why you ain't got no baby daddy. My kids is welcome. That's why you don't have a stable home. You don't got no baby daddy. You don't have a stable home. You don't got no baby daddy.

I wanna ask you just a second.

Can you just step back, Sanaa? I wanna talk to him just for a second. Vincent, come over here.

Go find your baby dad while you at it. Go find him. Go find him. Go find him. Go find 'em, go find 'em, go find 'em.

Vince, come take a seat for me. So I gotta ask you, why did you agree to come on this show?

'Cause I didn't think she was gonna come on here talking that shit, that's why.

It triggered you, right?

I didn't think she was gonna say nothing like, nah, what the fuck? This bitch is—

I got it.

I knew when I seen her come out here first, she was gonna say something slick. I knew it, I knew it.

It hurts you that she would say that about your kids? Like, I understand.

No, I'm hurt that she would say that about me.

Yeah.

Talk about, "Oh, I didn't see it at my door." Bitch, what the fuck?

Okay. So again, you said, when I asked you why do you feel like these women are ganging up on you, you said it's because they have nothing else better to do in their life. Yeah. You feel like people don't understand you?

Sasha's okay. Sasha is okay. But Tasha, I hate that bitch.

Okay. I hate that bitch. I understand, I understand. I hate her. I understand. What do you think is causing the block between you all having a relationship outside of her? Outside of her?

They've been all the way down to Florida. They're all, she picked them up and she didn't tell me nothing. I'm calling them and they're like, oh yeah. They lied to me for about 3 days saying they was doing this, they was doing that until my daughter told me, yeah, we moving down to Florida. My mom told me not to tell you. So it's like she just picked them up in life. And ever since that happened, I hated Tasha.

I got it.

I got so much hate in my heart for her.

But it sounds like you're taking that out on the kids instead of her. Like they're just kids following their mother's lead. They don't have any say. Well, that's what happens. At a young age, when we were kids and we got told we gotta move, you know, you kinda just follow the lead.

I had stuff like that with my parents too, you know? My mom used to talk shit about my dad. But then when I became an adult, I started seeing stuff for myself. My dad did his best.

But did your father ever say that, "I don't claim you, I hate you"?

No.

See, that's the difference here. That's what I want. I understand you're angry and you're angry with her, but like doing that for these kids, that's the part that like there won't be any reconciliation one day. That's the part that's unfair to them. Give them a chance to make their own opinion without hurting their feelings in the process. That's all I'm saying. Now she's making a lot of claims about substance abuse issues. Have you had substance abuse issues in the past?

Yeah, I did.

You did? Okay then. Do you now?

No.

Okay, you don't?

No.

So she's feeling as if like you take a drug test. Would you be willing to take one just to show her?

Of course.

Perfect, great. This is what I wanna do. What I appreciate is for you to come out here and just be a little bit more vulnerable with me, be a little bit more honest with me. It helped us to see actually who you are because the first opinion we got of you is not the same opinion I have of you now. So I'm gonna go ahead and ask you to go backstage, take the drug test. Does that work for you? And I'm gonna bring you back out. Well, listen everyone, I think it's time to meet Sasha. So everyone, please welcome Sasha to the show so we can hear her side of the story. Hi Sasha.

Hello, how are you?

How are you doing?

I'm okay.

Good. Has Vincent supported you after having a baby 2 months ago?

Barely.

Barely.

Like I'm going through postpartum and I feel like he should be there more physically. As you can see the temper he has on him, he has, we have lashed out in the past 3 weeks because I wanted him to leave my house. You babysat for me and it's time for you to go. You don't need to stay here.

Got it.

It's not for you to stay. If we don't have a relationship for our kids, we don't need a relationship no more.

Got it.

Granted, yes, I did just have another kid by him, but 9 months ago we had a very heart-to-heart conversation and I felt like it was gonna change. But when I noticed that there wasn't no more changes, I left him. Then I found out I was pregnant and I stayed gone because my personal, it's just a lot.

[Speaker:KARAMO] Got it, got it, got it. Listen everyone, before we meet Sandra, I was just told by my producers that actually Vincent has decided backstage that he will not take the drug test and has also decided to leave the building. He decided to leave the building. Well, listen, Vincent's mom Sandra is here and she's joining us virtually. So everyone, please welcome Sandra to the show. Sandra, thank you for being here.

Yep. Glad to be here.

How do you feel about what you've just heard today?

I wanna cry so bad. It just hurt me so bad.

Yeah. Are you surprised that he didn't take the drug test today? You're not surprised. Okay.

That's not my son that was on that stage. That's not him.

I wanna go ahead and bring Tasha back out. So what's the relationship between you two?

I don't respect Sasha because Sasha had another baby and the way she treat the baby mom before her, I don't know their relationship, but I kind of feel like they got that relationship because of some of the things Sasha do. I'm not really trying to have a relationship with none of his kids' moms. You understand what I'm saying? 'Cause they're all not my kids. But what I am trying to do is kindle a relationship with all of them.

At the end of the day, what needs to happen here for the children's sake is a united front between all of y'all. Because the more that y'all allow Vincent to get between y'all, for y'all to have these emotions that are ripping y'all apart, it's hurting all of y'all and it's hurting these kids. Right. Vincent is erratic right now. We see, I saw the behavior. He's walked outta this building. We know that it's not healthy. So if you want to find out if these children, we can do a sibling DNA test and I can help, I can set that up for all of y'all. And we can find out immediately if all these children are siblings.

Okay.

I'm down.

If I can get the sibling DNA test, I can also help you all, all the 4 of you women to get closer and to get stronger. If you trust in me, I promise you I'll be here to support you all. I didn't. Will you let me help? You'll let me help? You'll let me help? Yeah. Sandra, you'll let me help?

Yes.

All right then, listen, this is the first step. We gonna be back with more. So everyone come back next time, friends, so we can keep talking and growing. We got a lot more to do here, all right? I love you all.